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IFH 776: Crafting Comedy Without Limits: The Indie Spirit Behind Chasing Molly with Shelley Pack & Josh Sutherland · Indie Film Hustle® - A Filmmaking Podcast

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  Speaker 3: Wasn't quality content, you won't see it, and we weren't
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  Speaker 3: forced to water down any of the comedy, which was
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  Speaker 3: just so liberating to be able to create something that
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  Speaker 3: you just find genuinely funny without any restrictions.
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  Speaker 4: Right, right, and that and that's awesome and that's you know,
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  Speaker 4: there's no test audiences, nothing like that. But but but
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  Speaker 4: and Josh, you know.
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  Speaker 5: Just you know, how did you get started?
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  Speaker 4: You know, you know, in the in the whole visual
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  Speaker 4: effects side and behind the camera side of things.
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  Speaker 6: Man. Yeah, I like to tell people I've been making
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  Speaker 6: movies forever.
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  Speaker 7: You know, I was definitely the kid who took their
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  Speaker 7: parents' camcorder, and luckily enough, my parents were very supportive
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  Speaker 7: of that and let me, you know, use our VHS
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  Speaker 7: VCR to edit some movies and make some mistakes. Growing up,
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  Speaker 7: make some small short films and stuff like that. And
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  Speaker 7: you know, I went to film school at Universe, Yeah, Texas,
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  Speaker 7: and after that kind of made my way out to
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  Speaker 7: the West Coast and I've been kind of grinding in
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  Speaker 7: the industry ever since then. And you know, I'm just
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  Speaker 7: super glad to have supportive parents, right who kind of
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  Speaker 7: encouraged that no matter what I wanted to do. I
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  Speaker 7: will say a funny, kind of a cool little story
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  Speaker 7: is when I was ten years old, I still remember
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  Speaker 7: my uncle taking me and my brother to see The
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  Speaker 7: Matrix and he told us, He's like, hey, guys, don't
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  Speaker 7: tell your mom about to take you to this R
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  Speaker 7: rated movie, but I want you guys to see it
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  Speaker 7: because they spent two years learning kung fu just to
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  Speaker 7: you know, before they even started making the movie, just
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  Speaker 7: so they could do it right. And I remember seeing
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  Speaker 7: that movie being a ten year old and blowing my
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  Speaker 7: mind and I feel like ever since then four and
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  Speaker 7: it was definitely something I was like this, this is
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  Speaker 7: what I want to do. And you know, I was
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  Speaker 7: lucky enough to get an internship with a company called
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  Speaker 7: Captivate Entertainment right out of college. And my main goal
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  Speaker 7: was like, I want to I want an internship on
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  Speaker 7: the lot. I want an internship on of the lot somewhere.
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  Speaker 7: And their office at the time happened to be on
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  Speaker 7: the lot at Universal, and so, you know, being fresh
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  Speaker 7: in the industry just out of school and getting to
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  Speaker 7: go on the Universal lot every day was really awesome.
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  Speaker 6: And really eye opening.
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  Speaker 7: And and when once I finished that up, I got
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  Speaker 7: a My first big kind of gig in the industry
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  Speaker 7: was I got to be a set PA on a
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  Speaker 7: movie called Skyline. If anyone remembers that movie, it's about
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  Speaker 7: alien sucking people out of the sky. And you know,
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  Speaker 7: I ended up being on set for that whole run.
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  Speaker 7: And you know, it was the visual effects company that
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  Speaker 7: actually made him produce that movie, and they were.
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  Speaker 6: Like, hey, do you want to be you know, in
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  Speaker 6: the office.
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  Speaker 7: You're really great on set, and I was like, hey,
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  Speaker 7: a steady paycheck of yeah, let's let's try that. That
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  Speaker 7: sounds good, and so so I ended up started working
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  Speaker 7: for them, and literally, you know, through that, I feel
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  Speaker 7: like I've done every crew position under the sun, right
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  Speaker 7: like if from key set PA to VFS editing to
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  Speaker 7: then you know, first ac to camera operator to location
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  Speaker 7: sound mixer to colorists to producing to directing and so
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  Speaker 7: just literally ever since then, working my way up and
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  Speaker 7: just cutting my teeth, literally, like I said, learning every.
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  Speaker 6: Crew position you can. And that led me.
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  Speaker 7: To obviously wanted to create and direct my own projects.
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  Speaker 7: And like Shelley said, we kind of came together to
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  Speaker 7: make a short film called dash Old Journey through Autism,
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  Speaker 7: And ever since that project, I knew me and Shelley
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  Speaker 7: were gonna get together get along really well because we
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  Speaker 7: finished that short film and literally every you know, two weeks,
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  Speaker 7: I'd kind of get an email or I'd get a
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  Speaker 7: message saying hey from Shelley being like the movie it's
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  Speaker 7: it's playing that we got into this such and such
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  Speaker 7: little fest and it's playing in Turkey, and then I
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  Speaker 7: get another one saying like it's playing in you know,
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  Speaker 7: like London, and then it's playing in Russia, and it's
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  Speaker 7: playing all over and I think that that little short
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  Speaker 7: film probably screened in probably like thirty five.
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  Speaker 6: Countries by now.
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  Speaker 7: But Shelley literally would just keep sending it and sending
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  Speaker 7: it out everywhere. And that only not that not only
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  Speaker 7: proved to me that like she'll just go to the
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  Speaker 7: end of the earth for her projects, but like she's
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  Speaker 7: not gonna take no for an answer, Like we're getting
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  Speaker 7: that thing seen by as many people no matter what,
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  Speaker 7: and we'll do whatever we have to do to make
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  Speaker 7: that happen. And so, you know, ever since then, we
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  Speaker 7: basically have teamed up and we're like, what do we
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  Speaker 7: really want to do And we have another comedic property
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  Speaker 7: that we've had some investors fall through after we've packaged
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  Speaker 7: it a couple times. And so yeah, literally Chasing Molly
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  Speaker 7: became something that we were like, Hey, look what can
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  Speaker 7: we make ourselves that nobody, no matter what, can tell
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  Speaker 7: can tell us we can't do this right. I'm lucky
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  Speaker 7: enough to have a nice cinema camera package and some
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  Speaker 7: really nice sound gear, and I was always been like,
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  Speaker 7: we have the tools, we have the tools that are
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  Speaker 7: disposal to do something here ourselves if we have to.
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  Speaker 7: And we kind of sat together made that made the script,
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  Speaker 7: excuse me, the script and the story, and just to
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  Speaker 7: figure it out that we were going to try to
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  Speaker 7: do this one ourselves.
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  Speaker 6: And I will say filmmaking is a team sport.
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  Speaker 7: When you see all those you're sitting in a movie
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  Speaker 7: and you see all those names scrolling behind the credits
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  Speaker 7: and you're like, how many people worked on this?
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  Speaker 6: This is insane.
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  Speaker 7: You're sitting here for ten minutes right for that little
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  Speaker 7: bonus scene at the very end. And there's a very
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  Speaker 7: good reason for that, because filmmaking is a huge, huge,
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  Speaker 7: team sport, and so it's almost impossible to do something yourself.
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  Speaker 7: And so I'm just so happy with what Chase and
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  Speaker 7: Moly has become.
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  Speaker 6: And even though we.
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  Speaker 7: Did most of the labor ourselves, there's no way we
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  Speaker 7: could have done this without calling in all of our
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  Speaker 7: favors and all the help of so many tremendous people,
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  Speaker 7: crew friends, actors, and the list goes on and on,
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  Speaker 7: and so we're just super happy to have it finally
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  Speaker 7: out to the world.
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  Speaker 8: Oh sorry, Dave, go ahead.
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  Speaker 4: No no, no, no, promise, Shelley. I was just gonna say
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  Speaker 4: I was gonna make a quick joke with Josh. You know,
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  Speaker 4: whenever you can tell after you screen a movie if
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  Speaker 4: you want to do a filmmaker, because they'll always ask
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  Speaker 4: you one question. And that question is not where they
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  Speaker 4: like the movie, not you know this or that. They'll
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  Speaker 4: ask you, Josh, this one question and that is what
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  Speaker 4: did you shoot that on?
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  Speaker 7: Yeah?
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, exactly right. It's like definitely the question you know,
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  Speaker 6: who is in an industry or not? Right?
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  Speaker 7: But what bo what they're asking and it's pretty it's
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  Speaker 7: pretty apparent.
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  Speaker 6: That this one was definitely a labor of love.
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  Speaker 8: I'll say that we shot on four K camera red. See,
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  Speaker 8: I'm learning all of this.
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  Speaker 3: You know, it was a kind of a perfect marriage,
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  Speaker 3: so to speak, because Josh could do everything behind the camera,
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  Speaker 3: and then I had built, you know, kind of a
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  Speaker 3: repertoire of comedians that I've been performing with for years
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  Speaker 3: and you know, making content, and basically we could come
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  Speaker 3: together the two sides.
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  Speaker 8: So all the.
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  Speaker 3: Comedians you'll see in the movie are all, you know,
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  Speaker 3: personal friends I've I've worked with before, and so when
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  Speaker 3: you ask them, hey, can you do it one day?
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  Speaker 3: You'd be doing me a huge favor. They'd be like, yeah,
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  Speaker 3: I'm gonna need you to do this project for me.
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  Speaker 3: You know you kind of like, okay, well, no problem.
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  Speaker 3: And then getting like Felicia Day, she's a friend from
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  Speaker 3: you know, everyone's like, how did you get her? You know,
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  Speaker 3: we performed together, we used to do improv together.
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  Speaker 3: So when I asked her to do this and she
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  Speaker 3: read the script, she wanted to, don't you know, give
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  Speaker 3: her time. I say, donate because no one made this
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  Speaker 3: movie because we pay them.
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  Speaker 8: So it was almost like a donut.
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  Speaker 3: You felt like a donation, like I should be writing
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  Speaker 3: them like a tax write off for making the movie.
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  Speaker 3: But everyone did it because they felt they loved the project.
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  Speaker 3: They fell in love with the story, they liked the script,
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  Speaker 3: and we just what started as the two of us
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  Speaker 3: picking off whatever we could. Then it's snowballed as we
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  Speaker 3: started to get bigger and bigger talent on set. And
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  Speaker 3: you know when we got Kurt Kurt Angles, this big
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  Speaker 3: wrestler guy. For those of you guys who don't know,
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  Speaker 3: that was a cold call. We did not I definitely
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  Speaker 3: was not one of my comedy friends, and we did
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  Speaker 3: not know him at all. So there're someone who fell
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  Speaker 3: in love with the project because he had no reason,
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  Speaker 3: you know, to to fly have us fly him out
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  Speaker 3: from you know, Pittsburgh to come out to Los Angeles
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  Speaker 3: to make an independent film. So we were very fortunate
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  Speaker 3: that we had something that people that also attracted people
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  Speaker 3: to it.
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  Speaker 7: Go ahead, what was gonna say, Yeah, I mean we
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  Speaker 7: definitely like I've been lucky enough, thank god, through that
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  Speaker 7: Visual Effects Company, a lot of other jobs, just to
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  Speaker 7: be under a plethora of projects right in the last
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  Speaker 7: ten years, from everything from San Andreas to you know,
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  Speaker 7: huge multi million blockbuster movies being on set for those
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  Speaker 7: and seeing how they operate firsthands, to super independence HU
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  Speaker 7: stream productions to music videos and commercials and everything under
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  Speaker 7: the sun, right, so I get to see a lot
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  Speaker 7: of how it works and how it's supposed to happen.
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  Speaker 6: And you know, this film was not made.
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  Speaker 7: Like a traditional you know, feature film like thirty to
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  Speaker 7: sixty days back to back, right, So we kind of
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  Speaker 7: knew that going in that we can't have a traditional
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  Speaker 7: shooting schedule, we can't have a bunch of the traditional
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  Speaker 7: perks or crew positions that generally exist on a big
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  Speaker 7: feature film set.
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  Speaker 6: And so we.
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  Speaker 7: Structured our shooting schedule and the way we knew we
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  Speaker 7: were gonna pick it off and sat in pre production
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  Speaker 7: and planned all this out very meticulously so that it
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  Speaker 7: would put us in a situation to win. So when Shelley,
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  Speaker 7: you know, would go then to reach out to some
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  Speaker 7: of these people who are her friends to do us
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  Speaker 7: these favors. You know, what's the one thing that a
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  Speaker 7: big actor or you know, a celebrity has the least
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  Speaker 7: of in the most and that's frankly, it's time, right,
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  Speaker 7: And so we knew that if we could structure the
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  Speaker 7: shooting to where we could reach out to them and
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  Speaker 7: be like, hey, we're not gonna have any aadr, there's
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  Speaker 7: no chance this is going to go into more days.
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  Speaker 6: Basically, we're gonna shoot you out in one day.
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  Speaker 7: We're not gonna you know, there's not a lot of
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  Speaker 7: company moves on this day, blah blah blah, there's no
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  Speaker 7: chance of overtime.
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  Speaker 6: It basically would put us in this situation to win.
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  Speaker 7: So we we knew that we were doing that, and
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  Speaker 7: so when we reach out to a lot of people
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  Speaker 7: We definitely got a lot of you know, answers, and
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  Speaker 7: it's not just as simple like no, sorry, I'm blooked,
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  Speaker 7: or I can't give you four days, and you know,
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  Speaker 7: just a lot of those stipulations. We kind of we
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  Speaker 7: kind of set ourselves up to win.
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  Speaker 5: You know, I like that.
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  Speaker 4: That's a very good explanation or we're a very good
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  Speaker 4: quote too, is is you know, we're setting ourselves up
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  Speaker 4: to win. And also the pitch to you know, uh,
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  Speaker 4: you know different people, you know, is about time. You're
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  Speaker 4: absolutely right, that's the absolutely that's the number one thing
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  Speaker 4: that a lot of them don't have anything, that don't
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  Speaker 4: have a lot of and even when they do have time,
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  Speaker 4: it's meticulously planned out. You know, they're constantly getting with pitches,
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  Speaker 4: they're constantly getting scripts sent to them, and you know
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  Speaker 4: they're constantly getting you know, their agent going hey, you
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  Speaker 4: gotta do this or you know, don't do that. And
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  Speaker 4: so what they do they do actually commit to a project.
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  Speaker 4: They don't have a lot of time for the next
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  Speaker 4: one starts.
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  Speaker 7: For sure, And as Shelly said, I mean, you know,
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  Speaker 7: luckily she's friends with a lot of the comedians in
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  Speaker 7: the film, but Kurt was a complete cold Call and
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  Speaker 7: it was super cool when we were sitting discussing mister
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  Speaker 7: Black and I was like, I really want like a
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  Speaker 7: big muscle type, over the top personality to play this.
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  Speaker 7: And we were kind of like, what about professional wrestlers,
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  Speaker 7: And we were kind of feeling some out some other
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  Speaker 7: professional wrestlers, and Shelley was like.
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  Speaker 6: What about Kurt Angle?
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  Speaker 7: And I literally kind of had a laugh out loud
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  Speaker 7: moment as I was like, I don't know if he'd
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  Speaker 7: be into this after knowing what some of the lines
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  Speaker 7: that we've been writing and talking about on the page,
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  Speaker 7: and you know, we're like, what do we have to lose?
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  Speaker 6: Right, And that's kind of been the whole model.
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  Speaker 7: For the whole movie, is like, well why not? What
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  Speaker 7: do we have to lose? So we sent him the script.
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  Speaker 7: He actually read it, he actually liked it. A few
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  Speaker 7: days later we were in touch with his agents. I
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  Speaker 7: will say, I know his agent's probably told him not
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  Speaker 7: to do it. He wanted to do it anyway, and
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  Speaker 7: so like Shelley said, too right, he would come out.
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  Speaker 7: We we we worked it out. He's locked in the movie.
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  Speaker 7: Our crew is bigger. We ballooned up that day. We
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  Speaker 7: had the locations and it's just it was super cool.
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  Speaker 7: It definitely has been like that. It's just the project's
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  Speaker 7: been like literally just like the little engine that could
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  Speaker 7: just steamrolling out of control basically.
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  Speaker 4: So, so, what were some of the other wrestlers that
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  Speaker 4: you were considering, just just just for conversation.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, yeah, go ahead, d I don't know anything
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  Speaker 3: about wrestling, like I used to watch Glow, you know,
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  Speaker 3: and so like I don't to me, I wasn't intimidated
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  Speaker 3: about reaching out to anybody. So I was just on
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  Speaker 3: social media just like. It wasn't like, oh, I've got
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  Speaker 3: to get this guy the rock John Cena, you know,
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  Speaker 3: I no plan. I mean, it was literally like we
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  Speaker 3: need this. So I'm like okay, and I just kept, like,
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  Speaker 3: you know, it went down that Twitter like wormhole where
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  Speaker 3: it's like you should follow so and so.
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  Speaker 8: Have you fought you should fall?
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  Speaker 3: I was like I should follow them, and then I
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  Speaker 3: just started reaching out and Kurt was far. I mean,
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  Speaker 3: we had some people that were like okay, but they
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  Speaker 3: were wrestlers. I'm not even going to throw anyone under
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  Speaker 3: the bus. Let's just you know, like my dad was like,
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  Speaker 3: I remember Johnny Dumbbells, you know, like that guy not
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  Speaker 3: a person anyone would really know. So Kurt I was like,
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  Speaker 3: what do you think of this guy? And Josh's mouth
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  Speaker 3: is on the floor. He's like, that's an option. I'm like, yeah,
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  Speaker 3: I got this. I got his manager.
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  Speaker 8: He's going to you know. So we made it happen.
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  Speaker 3: Like Josh said, you have to be really resourceful and
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  Speaker 3: meticulous with scheduling. None of our actors are on set sitting.
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  Speaker 3: You're there, you come camera ready. I mean, you know,
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  Speaker 3: like they said, we had bigger names on set, we
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  Speaker 3: had hearing makeup, but aside from that, just you know,
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  Speaker 3: you come ready to go.
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  Speaker 8: You can be creative.
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  Speaker 3: I think that was also the lure to get a
• 17:03
  Speaker 3: lot of these really talented comedians. You know, there's a
• 17:07
  Speaker 3: lot of things we do as actors to make money,
• 17:09
  Speaker 3: you know, commercials and stuff like that, but this was
• 17:12
  Speaker 3: this was an opportunity to kind of be as funny
• 17:14
  Speaker 3: as you wanted to be without limits. So I have
• 17:18
  Speaker 3: an improv background, and I knew that I would get
• 17:21
  Speaker 3: certain improvisers that are going to nail their lines in
• 17:24
  Speaker 3: the first take. Maybe too, you know, maybe we need
• 17:26
  Speaker 3: two for safety, and then we could improvise together. So
• 17:30
  Speaker 3: you'll find the dialogue, like you know, of course all
• 17:33
  Speaker 3: the jokes are in there, which I'm thrilled about. But
• 17:36
  Speaker 3: then there's also like really kind of genuine moments that
• 17:39
  Speaker 3: seem organic, and it's probably because they, you know, we
• 17:42
  Speaker 3: improvised it. Not every scene and not every character we
• 17:45
  Speaker 3: could have do that, but the ones that you know,
• 17:48
  Speaker 3: you'll see Jim Cashman, who's Jamie on the Progressive commercials
• 17:53
  Speaker 3: basically a National treasure. He's a he's a Groundlings friend
• 17:57
  Speaker 3: of mine. So I love working with him. We have
• 18:00
  Speaker 3: a great chemistry. So I said, listen, I need you
• 18:03
  Speaker 3: for you know, I think we had him for two days,
• 18:06
  Speaker 3: but we shot every single I mean we just had
• 18:09
  Speaker 3: him going every minute, you know, ten pages a day,
• 18:13
  Speaker 3: whatever we had to do, and then you would find
• 18:16
  Speaker 3: these really great moments where we could just improvise. And
• 18:19
  Speaker 3: so I think it feels very different. It doesn't feel
• 18:22
  Speaker 3: scripted and like here comes a punchline or uh oh
• 18:27
  Speaker 3: this is gonna you know, they're going to fall into that.
• 18:30
  Speaker 3: I mean, it's uh, it has to be the content
• 18:34
  Speaker 3: and the writing and the story that was king. We
• 18:37
  Speaker 3: didn't have money for special you know, huge ef you know,
• 18:41
  Speaker 3: special effects or anything like that. So it had to
• 18:44
  Speaker 3: be quality content. The script had to be good. And
• 18:48
  Speaker 3: I think that's the great thing about independent films is
• 18:51
  Speaker 3: that they're not made just because you have a bunch
• 18:53
  Speaker 3: of you know, celebrities in the movie or you know,
• 18:57
  Speaker 3: a big name attached or anything like that. Independent movies
• 19:00
  Speaker 3: get made because they it's so powerful the story, or
• 19:04
  Speaker 3: it's so you know, funny or something like that that
• 19:06
  Speaker 3: everyone jumps into support it. Otherwise the movie doesn't take off.
• 19:10
  Speaker 3: We know how fortunate we are. It's not lost on
• 19:13
  Speaker 3: us how many people you know, have ideas and it's
• 19:17
  Speaker 3: hard to get made.
• 19:18
  Speaker 8: We've been there too, you know.
• 19:20
  Speaker 3: So it took a lot of years in production and
• 19:23
  Speaker 3: doing on camera and off camera stuff to be able
• 19:25
  Speaker 3: to get to the point where we could tackle the
• 19:27
  Speaker 3: feature right right.
• 19:29
  Speaker 4: And you know it's a good point too, Shelley, is
• 19:31
  Speaker 4: you know, even when you do have like everything kind
• 19:33
  Speaker 4: of lined up, even like you know, in some of
• 19:35
  Speaker 4: these you know, huge multi million dollar productions, you know,
• 19:39
  Speaker 4: things fall through all the time, you.
• 19:41
  Speaker 5: Know, for whatever reason. And and we've all been.
• 19:43
  Speaker 4: There in one way or another where you're a part
• 19:45
  Speaker 4: of a production and maybe as a as a as
• 19:48
  Speaker 4: an actor or you're you know either or whether it's
• 19:51
  Speaker 4: even your project or you know you've kind of been
• 19:53
  Speaker 4: there where these different projects all just fall through for
• 19:56
  Speaker 4: a number of reasons. And I Josh even was alluding
• 19:59
  Speaker 4: to that too.
• 20:01
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• 20:07
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• 20:11
  Speaker 4: Just you know, so things just always sort of you know,
• 20:14
  Speaker 4: something happens and it kind of.
• 20:15
  Speaker 5: Creates domino effect.
• 20:16
  Speaker 4: But but you know, just in Chasing Molly so Shelly,
• 20:19
  Speaker 4: when you were writing this, you know, did you kind of.
• 20:20
  Speaker 6: Have this in mind?
• 20:21
  Speaker 4: You know, you know, you didn't want to write something
• 20:24
  Speaker 4: into the script that was going to be almost impossible
• 20:26
  Speaker 4: to get.
• 20:28
  Speaker 3: Yeah, so this was made was written like we're we're
• 20:32
  Speaker 3: going to make it. So when we were we'd have
• 20:34
  Speaker 3: this story and Josh would be like, okay, when you
• 20:37
  Speaker 3: have ninety pages written, we're going to start shooting.
• 20:40
  Speaker 8: And so when I was.
• 20:41
  Speaker 3: Writing it, I attempted to do we would do like
• 20:45
  Speaker 3: my character and like one or two other characters, so
• 20:48
  Speaker 3: we knew that, and then we would try and not
• 20:50
  Speaker 3: get I was trying not write locations that that we
• 20:54
  Speaker 3: couldn't get, but if we did need to get one
• 20:57
  Speaker 3: we said, you know what, we would really need a pawnshops.
• 21:01
  Speaker 3: So I had to get a pawnshop, and you know,
• 21:03
  Speaker 3: start hitting the pavement. Everyone says no, everyone says no,
• 21:06
  Speaker 3: and you find the one, and it happens to be
• 21:08
  Speaker 3: the best pond, I mean, with the most stuff, most
• 21:11
  Speaker 3: random stuff you've ever seen. Another funny production story. So
• 21:15
  Speaker 3: we get this pawn shop. We can't afford to like
• 21:19
  Speaker 3: rent it out and close it down, so it's open
• 21:21
  Speaker 3: for business as we're trying to get a clean scene.
• 21:25
  Speaker 8: So we had this like these two women.
• 21:27
  Speaker 3: That were in there like, oh, what a great Sagittarius ornament.
• 21:31
  Speaker 3: You are Sagittarius, aren't you.
• 21:32
  Speaker 8: I mean the.
• 21:34
  Speaker 3: Small talk, go picking up everything, looking at it with
• 21:37
  Speaker 3: a magnifying glass. They didn't buy anything, but they wasted
• 21:41
  Speaker 3: an hour of our time. And I'm looking at the light.
• 21:43
  Speaker 3: The sun's going down. We're like my b comedian Fred
• 21:47
  Speaker 3: is like quiet on the set.
• 21:49
  Speaker 8: He's not he's not part of the crew, you know
• 21:51
  Speaker 8: what I mean.
• 21:52
  Speaker 3: So it's like it didn't get more independent. But then
• 21:55
  Speaker 3: when you pull it off and you get the last
• 21:58
  Speaker 3: thing before the sun goes down, or you get me
• 22:01
  Speaker 3: finally walking into the pawn shop and we get it.
• 22:05
  Speaker 3: I mean the victories, you know, the struggles and the
• 22:08
  Speaker 3: hurdles might be bigger, but then so were the victories.
• 22:11
  Speaker 3: So you would get so excited to be able to
• 22:14
  Speaker 3: pull something like that off.
• 22:17
  Speaker 7: Something in Yeah, never again, no closed locations, non closed locations.
• 22:23
  Speaker 6: Never.
• 22:24
  Speaker 7: Guard looked at jewelry for about two hours in front
• 22:27
  Speaker 7: of our scene and we're having a dosy dough around
• 22:29
  Speaker 7: shooting this scene around her, basically because she would not
• 22:32
  Speaker 7: leave the store.
• 22:33
  Speaker 4: It was crazy, so did when she walked in, did
• 22:36
  Speaker 4: she like look at the camera, look at you, Josh,
• 22:39
  Speaker 4: and and just kind of like blank, didn't like put
• 22:42
  Speaker 4: someone two together.
• 22:43
  Speaker 7: It was the craziest thing because she literally would be
• 22:45
  Speaker 7: like looking at rings in the same like habinage slash
• 22:50
  Speaker 7: shelf counter that we're shooting at, and I'm like, you
• 22:52
  Speaker 7: don't see all these lights, you don't see this boom
• 22:53
  Speaker 7: mic or the camera, and like was oblivious to it
• 22:56
  Speaker 7: for literally about forty five minutes, and then was like,
• 22:59
  Speaker 7: oh are you guys making something here?
• 23:02
  Speaker 6: Like is this a school prom? And we're like we've
• 23:05
  Speaker 6: been here for about an hour. I'm trying to shoot
• 23:08
  Speaker 6: through your head.
• 23:10
  Speaker 3: I'm about to buy all of these things for you
• 23:12
  Speaker 3: and just give it to you because I.
• 23:13
  Speaker 8: Think we want you, we'll buy it for you.
• 23:17
  Speaker 3: It's on us taking something, so you know, I think
• 23:22
  Speaker 3: something interesting. You also said Dave was like how projects
• 23:24
  Speaker 3: fall through, you do one small piece of it. So
• 23:28
  Speaker 3: Josh and I we had to have the attitude that
• 23:31
  Speaker 3: we're since we are like steamrolling this whole thing, we're
• 23:34
  Speaker 3: also really attached to every part. So every edit, we're
• 23:38
  Speaker 3: the ones watching it. All the adr were the ones
• 23:40
  Speaker 3: listening to it, so there wasn't We're very attached. So
• 23:44
  Speaker 3: in the same way, we were never going to let
• 23:46
  Speaker 3: this movie not be made or not get put out there,
• 23:50
  Speaker 3: which is something because we were wearing so many hats
• 23:54
  Speaker 3: while making it.
• 23:55
  Speaker 7: Yeah, and I just want to speak a little bit too,
• 23:57
  Speaker 7: you know, kind of cool filmmaking knowledge here about Shelley
• 24:01
  Speaker 7: was saying, we would like, you know, talk and discuss scenes, right,
• 24:04
  Speaker 7: and we'd.
• 24:04
  Speaker 6: Be like, we don't want the story to go from here.
• 24:06
  Speaker 7: And so we definitely you know, structured the story so
• 24:10
  Speaker 7: that we could make it ourselves. And when I say that,
• 24:12
  Speaker 7: I want to you know, I mean like, okay, well,
• 24:14
  Speaker 7: we obviously we live in La so we're gonna set
• 24:17
  Speaker 7: the story in la Let's let's we know we can't
• 24:20
  Speaker 7: shoot thirty to forty days back to back because we
• 24:22
  Speaker 7: don't have money to do this two months straight. So
• 24:25
  Speaker 7: we're just gonna pick it off like you know, nights, weekends,
• 24:29
  Speaker 7: just every time we can shoot. And so how do
• 24:31
  Speaker 7: we do that, right, Well, we can't really then have
• 24:33
  Speaker 7: continuity or scripty on set because we're switching all these
• 24:36
  Speaker 7: days up. So let's just make it like a run
• 24:39
  Speaker 7: the Gauntlet story where it happens like in a night,
• 24:41
  Speaker 7: a day and a night and that and that kind
• 24:44
  Speaker 7: of basically, like I keep saying, it put us in
• 24:46
  Speaker 7: a situation of we're in win, right, So we're spread
• 24:49
  Speaker 7: out over a bunch of different days or weeks. When
• 24:51
  Speaker 7: you show up to set, you're kind of wearing the
• 24:53
  Speaker 7: same wardrobe that you wore in most of the scenes.
• 24:55
  Speaker 7: It kind of eliminates needing wardrobe person on set. It
• 24:58
  Speaker 7: eliminates having to have the continuity person to figure out
• 25:01
  Speaker 7: what you were wearing or which way you turned out.
• 25:03
  Speaker 6: Of this door and stuff like that.
• 25:05
  Speaker 7: And so we definitely structured it so that we could
• 25:08
  Speaker 7: pull that off.
• 25:11
  Speaker 4: Yeah, and that that's such a great idea to do
• 25:13
  Speaker 4: that is is kind of you know, use figure out
• 25:15
  Speaker 4: what you have and kind of build around that rather
• 25:18
  Speaker 4: than you know, vice versa. But you know, even you
• 25:21
  Speaker 4: when you do that, you kind of hit obstacles. So
• 25:22
  Speaker 4: I wanted to ask, you know, you know, what was
• 25:24
  Speaker 4: the hardest thing to get out of the whole production
• 25:26
  Speaker 4: and chasing Molly.
• 25:29
  Speaker 6: Ooh.
• 25:31
  Speaker 3: I think organing the Kurt day, where we had to
• 25:37
  Speaker 3: literally you know, it had to be so precisely planned
• 25:43
  Speaker 3: out because we had this guy who's so big and
• 25:46
  Speaker 3: who's used to like really nice sets, so we had
• 25:49
  Speaker 3: to really I think I think that pulling off the
• 25:53
  Speaker 3: end with with with Kurt was probably the hardest the
• 25:57
  Speaker 3: hard day.
• 25:59
  Speaker 6: For me person. It was probably just the whole post production.
• 26:02
  Speaker 8: Was the hardest part, just because.
• 26:08
  Speaker 7: I'll say, like, you know, I'm lucky enough to know
• 26:11
  Speaker 7: a lot of people in the industry, right and you're
• 26:13
  Speaker 7: kind of like continuously helping other people, and you know,
• 26:16
  Speaker 7: like I said, film making the team sport, so that way,
• 26:18
  Speaker 7: you're just stacking all these favors, right so you can
• 26:21
  Speaker 7: call them in when you need them. And post production,
• 26:24
  Speaker 7: you know, we had some big, big, big people work
• 26:29
  Speaker 7: on it. In post but you're not paying them enough
• 26:32
  Speaker 7: to where it's like, hey, this is a there's a
• 26:34
  Speaker 7: hard deadline, right like, I'm paying you X amount of
• 26:35
  Speaker 7: dollars it's due on this day. It's kind of like, hey,
• 26:38
  Speaker 7: I know you're working your main job and doing this
• 26:40
  Speaker 7: on your free time. For me personally, please finish as
• 26:44
  Speaker 7: soon as you can. So post production kind of dragged
• 26:49
  Speaker 7: on because of that, and it's just the nature of
• 26:50
  Speaker 7: the beast.
• 26:51
  Speaker 6: But basically that was.
• 26:53
  Speaker 7: The hardest part in my opinion, it was getting that
• 26:55
  Speaker 7: getting that done. And as well, as I said, the
• 26:57
  Speaker 7: Kurt day was definitely our biggest day, and when I
• 27:00
  Speaker 7: say biggest day, it's still pretty small relatively in terms
• 27:03
  Speaker 7: of big sets. I mean, we probably had twenty people
• 27:06
  Speaker 7: on set for that day. But you know, just a
• 27:09
  Speaker 7: cool story of how like, you know, the stars aligning
• 27:12
  Speaker 7: for our movie was basically we had this really cool
• 27:15
  Speaker 7: location that we actually shot out and made it look
• 27:18
  Speaker 7: like three locations, but we were we were there and
• 27:21
  Speaker 7: it's like a back lot place shout out RESRV where
• 27:25
  Speaker 7: they they kind of rent and also store our vs
• 27:28
  Speaker 7: in this like parking lot in this huge like back
• 27:30
  Speaker 7: lot area, and you know, we shot in their office
• 27:32
  Speaker 7: and their attic and their back back lot inside their
• 27:36
  Speaker 7: studio and all over and anyway, we we're gonna have
• 27:41
  Speaker 7: Kurt there, Kurt Angle, and they happened to just rent
• 27:45
  Speaker 7: star wagons and so you know, we're he's gonna show up.
• 27:49
  Speaker 7: We're having this big set day, and they're like, oh,
• 27:51
  Speaker 7: we'll just plug in this puppa generator and turn on
• 27:54
  Speaker 7: one of these star wagons. And so he shows up
• 27:56
  Speaker 7: and he has a star wagon and his makeups in
• 27:58
  Speaker 7: there waiting and all that, all that to the nines,
• 28:01
  Speaker 7: and you know, it just looks like way more slicker
• 28:04
  Speaker 7: and like than it really is, right, something like that.
• 28:08
  Speaker 3: It was also another that reminds me so in post
• 28:11
  Speaker 3: we wanted this really cool special effect shot and it
• 28:15
  Speaker 3: involved Kurt, and in order to track it, we needed
• 28:18
  Speaker 3: like a model of his head. Well that's not easily abtainable,
• 28:24
  Speaker 3: I mean, and we can't be like, can you put
• 28:26
  Speaker 3: your head in this mold? It would really help like
• 28:28
  Speaker 3: make this shot look great. So Josh and I are scouring, scouring.
• 28:33
  Speaker 3: He ends up finding a guy who made a video
• 28:36
  Speaker 3: game of Kurt and had his exact head dimensions that
• 28:40
  Speaker 3: we needed, and he's like, I don't know if I
• 28:42
  Speaker 3: even have this. Sure enough he had it and we
• 28:46
  Speaker 3: you know, got it from him, so like, again, the
• 28:49
  Speaker 3: shot looks amazing. Josh has these connections with people who
• 28:52
  Speaker 3: have worked on X Men and Avengers and everything like that,
• 28:55
  Speaker 3: and they're working on our movie and then we're they're like, well,
• 28:59
  Speaker 3: to make this look really cool, it would be really
• 29:01
  Speaker 3: great if we had this. We're like, the dimensions of
• 29:04
  Speaker 3: Kurt's had, how are we going to get that? And
• 29:07
  Speaker 3: then we deliver it to them because we found this
• 29:09
  Speaker 3: guy who made a video game, and how does exact
• 29:12
  Speaker 3: stuff like that to be able to the stars had
• 29:14
  Speaker 3: to align for that to happen.
• 29:16
  Speaker 7: Yeah, for the people who want to know like the technicalities,
• 29:19
  Speaker 7: and like I said, like, well, I'm lucky enough to
• 29:21
  Speaker 7: know some extremely professional people and so exactly my buddies
• 29:24
  Speaker 7: who work on these huge, huge visual effects movies, you know,
• 29:27
  Speaker 7: and they're used to getting all the proper things right,
• 29:31
  Speaker 7: like if you're gonna do something three D to someone's head,
• 29:35
  Speaker 7: you really need like a model so that you can
• 29:39
  Speaker 7: map those animations and all that on top of that,
• 29:43
  Speaker 7: and so the guys, you know, unfortunately, they're like, hey,
• 29:46
  Speaker 7: is there any way we can get a head model
• 29:47
  Speaker 7: of Kurt, And I'm just like, guys, this is not
• 29:50
  Speaker 7: that movie, right, Like, I.
• 29:52
  Speaker 6: Don't even know if that's physically impossible.
• 29:54
  Speaker 7: And me and Shelley are literally like, do we fly
• 29:56
  Speaker 7: to Pittsburgh and then have to get Kurt another day?
• 30:00
  Speaker 7: And this is kind of how like we just talked about,
• 30:01
  Speaker 7: we sold the movie on not bothering you ever.
• 30:04
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• 30:16
  Speaker 7: So we're like, how do we figure this out? And
• 30:18
  Speaker 7: I'm scouring messaging boards and lo and behold, happened to
• 30:21
  Speaker 7: stumble upon a guy that worked on the WWE raw,
• 30:26
  Speaker 7: one of the like PlayStation or Xbox movies, like ten
• 30:30
  Speaker 7: years before that, maybe even earlier, and he's like, I
• 30:33
  Speaker 7: did Kurtz. He happened to do the modeling for Kurt
• 30:36
  Speaker 7: in that in that game. And he's like, I think
• 30:39
  Speaker 7: I have his head model just chilling on my machine.
• 30:42
  Speaker 7: Let me let me check. And like a week later,
• 30:45
  Speaker 7: I literally have a head model Kurt Angle and it's
• 30:50
  Speaker 7: and send that over to our three D guy and
• 30:52
  Speaker 7: our VFX team and they're they're like shocked, and it's
• 30:56
  Speaker 7: just a you know another story of the stars aligning for.
• 30:59
  Speaker 5: Us, well, you know, just to play Devil's advocate. What
• 31:03
  Speaker 5: if that? What if that didn't exist?
• 31:05
  Speaker 4: Like was there like a plan B or a plan
• 31:08
  Speaker 4: like C or D that like if that didn't exist,
• 31:10
  Speaker 4: like what you would have done instead?
• 31:11
  Speaker 6: Well, as we were saying, where like do we fly?
• 31:14
  Speaker 7: Because there's some really cool apps and ways to get
• 31:18
  Speaker 7: scans and I've I've worked in VFX a long time
• 31:22
  Speaker 7: and I definitely know what's needed to get to get
• 31:25
  Speaker 7: that properly, and it was just going to be like, man,
• 31:27
  Speaker 7: we're gonna have to bother Kurt to go get it
• 31:29
  Speaker 7: or frankly, you know, it's just more time and energy
• 31:33
  Speaker 7: unfortunately for the VFS guy, or just have to make
• 31:36
  Speaker 7: that shot look really good and spend more hours and
• 31:40
  Speaker 7: work on it to make it all work with the
• 31:43
  Speaker 7: geometry of his face without having that's very, very difficult.
• 31:47
  Speaker 7: And so the short answer is no, there's the other
• 31:50
  Speaker 7: option is to not have it, And so it's kind
• 31:54
  Speaker 7: of just crazy that we did.
• 31:57
  Speaker 3: There'd be lots of things like that where there'd be
• 31:59
  Speaker 3: something like I had to have, like we were really
• 32:02
  Speaker 3: looking for, like almost like a theme song for Chasing
• 32:05
  Speaker 3: Molly and I fell in love with this song. It
• 32:08
  Speaker 3: was a Fat Boy Slim song. It's like, okay, I'm
• 32:12
  Speaker 3: not a singer, but it goes like back once again
• 32:14
  Speaker 3: for the Renegade, Masta Deep full damage of power to
• 32:17
  Speaker 3: the people. I'm like, Josh, I need this. It's like,
• 32:21
  Speaker 3: you're crazy. What do you mean You're crazy? Well, it
• 32:23
  Speaker 3: turns out fat Boy Slim it's not his. He licensed
• 32:27
  Speaker 3: it from this other guy. I find that guy and
• 32:31
  Speaker 3: we end up buying the hook, and then we were
• 32:34
  Speaker 3: able to make this really cool song. We find someone
• 32:36
  Speaker 3: else and pay them to mix it. So now we
• 32:39
  Speaker 3: have this like song that's you know, our we we
• 32:43
  Speaker 3: owned the rights to it. But it's also familiar to
• 32:45
  Speaker 3: so many people who listened to that Fat Boy Slim song,
• 32:49
  Speaker 3: and everyone's.
• 32:50
  Speaker 8: Like, how did you get that Fat Boy Slim song.
• 32:52
  Speaker 8: We're like, it's we didn't it.
• 32:54
  Speaker 3: We bought the hook that everyone remembers, and it's a
• 32:57
  Speaker 3: totally different song.
• 32:59
  Speaker 8: Fat Boy sl song is Okay, I'm just kidding you know.
• 33:03
  Speaker 3: Of course I'm a fan of the song, or I wouldn't
• 33:05
  Speaker 3: have wanted to get the hook, but stuff like that,
• 33:08
  Speaker 3: whereas either we really needed this, like I felt like
• 33:11
  Speaker 3: we needed it or wanted it, and we had to
• 33:13
  Speaker 3: go get it no matter what. And there's always a way.
• 33:16
  Speaker 3: You just find a way. I mean that is filmmaking,
• 33:19
  Speaker 3: or you have to leave it. We shot one scene
• 33:21
  Speaker 3: that was so dark it we couldn't fix. It could
• 33:25
  Speaker 3: not be fixed, so you'll never see it. But if
• 33:29
  Speaker 3: we could, if it was something we really felt like
• 33:31
  Speaker 3: we wanted, we'd have to find a way to make
• 33:33
  Speaker 3: it happen. And when it is just the two of you,
• 33:36
  Speaker 3: you make it happen. There is no one else. It
• 33:38
  Speaker 3: has to be you or you know, you don't have
• 33:41
  Speaker 3: a choice.
• 33:42
  Speaker 7: And just like I was saying earlier, right Shulle not
• 33:45
  Speaker 7: taking no for an answer. I mean, it's just like
• 33:47
  Speaker 7: you said, like we have to have it, We're gonna
• 33:49
  Speaker 7: find a way to get it. And if whether it
• 33:51
  Speaker 7: takes us, you know, whether we find it tomorrow or
• 33:54
  Speaker 7: it takes us ten days, like two weeks, we're gonna
• 33:57
  Speaker 7: just keep pushing until we get what we need. You know.
• 34:00
  Speaker 4: It kind of reminds me of a funny story when
• 34:02
  Speaker 4: I was shooting my student film, you know, quote unquote, it.
• 34:07
  Speaker 5: Was with a bunch of friends.
• 34:08
  Speaker 4: You know, I kind of I kind of broke all
• 34:09
  Speaker 4: the rules and I and the first thing I ever
• 34:11
  Speaker 4: shot was like, you know, like it was a feature film.
• 34:14
  Speaker 4: It was my student film, and it had you know,
• 34:17
  Speaker 4: it was a bunch of friends of myself making a movie.
• 34:20
  Speaker 4: And the my one friend who was actually the star
• 34:24
  Speaker 4: of the movie, just vanished for the summer, like we couldn't.
• 34:27
  Speaker 4: He wouldn't, Like he did one of those things where
• 34:30
  Speaker 4: he's just like, I'm so tired of making this damn thing,
• 34:33
  Speaker 4: and I'm like, dude, we're almost done.
• 34:34
  Speaker 5: And he was like, I can't, I can't.
• 34:36
  Speaker 4: I just don't want to make it anymore, and he
• 34:38
  Speaker 4: just kind of vanished for that summer. So I sat
• 34:41
  Speaker 4: down with my friend and we were talking about how
• 34:43
  Speaker 4: we're going to do this, and he's like, well, what
• 34:44
  Speaker 4: if you find a guy who looks like our main
• 34:47
  Speaker 4: actor and we just try to act like that's him
• 34:50
  Speaker 4: and we just kind of finish it that way. And
• 34:53
  Speaker 4: he's like, you know, they used to do it for
• 34:55
  Speaker 4: different movies, and you just kind of get a guy
• 34:58
  Speaker 4: that looks at Deac of this it looks similar, and
• 35:00
  Speaker 4: you kind of shoot it differently. So I actually went
• 35:03
  Speaker 4: on a site and I found a guy who did
• 35:06
  Speaker 4: look like him. And I started to talk to this guy.
• 35:09
  Speaker 4: I was like, yeah, you look just like my friend.
• 35:12
  Speaker 5: And the site was called uglynew York Models dot Com.
• 35:16
  Speaker 5: And I handed out that's that's a truth. That's a
• 35:18
  Speaker 5: truth site, I swear to God. And it was a
• 35:20
  Speaker 5: It was a site dedicated to people who have like
• 35:23
  Speaker 5: exotic looks, you know what I mean, or like they
• 35:25
  Speaker 5: have like these different types of looks. And but the
• 35:28
  Speaker 5: one looked just like my friend.
• 35:30
  Speaker 4: And I actually was going to bring him down from
• 35:32
  Speaker 4: New York here to Philadelphia, and I and my friend
• 35:35
  Speaker 4: actually ended up coming back in at the same time,
• 35:38
  Speaker 4: and I said, you, did you see what you made
• 35:39
  Speaker 4: me do? I said, I had to scour a modeling
• 35:42
  Speaker 4: website and he looked at it and was like Ugly
• 35:45
  Speaker 4: New York Models, and I went, yeah, this is this
• 35:47
  Speaker 4: is where.
• 35:48
  Speaker 8: This is what you brought to this is your father.
• 35:51
  Speaker 8: You did this so good thought it was actually fuddy. Yeah.
• 35:56
  Speaker 3: I was gonna say a funny story like that, like
• 35:59
  Speaker 3: what we were going to do. So there's a part
• 36:00
  Speaker 3: of Chasing Molly that features the grapefruit technique. If you're
• 36:05
  Speaker 3: not familiar with it, google it. Not in front of
• 36:08
  Speaker 3: your kids. Josh shows me this video and I'm like,
• 36:11
  Speaker 3: this is the most disgusting random thing I've ever seen.
• 36:15
  Speaker 3: We need to have it in our movie. We need this,
• 36:18
  Speaker 3: so we need this, so.
• 36:20
  Speaker 8: We're going to recreate it. We're going to go on.
• 36:22
  Speaker 3: We had people auditioning for this grapefruit technique. You know,
• 36:27
  Speaker 3: I was gonna, like work with someone I work in
• 36:29
  Speaker 3: my other job, not even an actress, but I was.
• 36:31
  Speaker 8: Like, would you do this? She's like, yeah, I'll do it.
• 36:34
  Speaker 3: Well, we end up finding the woman who made the video.
• 36:39
  Speaker 3: We got her, and another like huge score, Josh and
• 36:44
  Speaker 3: I finally find you know, this is our moby dick.
• 36:47
  Speaker 3: We finally find her, and we go back and forth,
• 36:51
  Speaker 3: back and forth, and she ends up we buy the footage,
• 36:55
  Speaker 3: so you actually the footage you see in the movie
• 36:58
  Speaker 3: is from that actual video. So it was another huge
• 37:03
  Speaker 3: well what would you what would you have done? We
• 37:05
  Speaker 3: would have, you know, figured out a way, got an
• 37:07
  Speaker 3: actress to recreate it. You do what you have to do,
• 37:10
  Speaker 3: but we you know, when you have that kind of
• 37:13
  Speaker 3: ingenuity and that won't take no for an answer, you
• 37:17
  Speaker 3: end up we found her, We got her, and she
• 37:20
  Speaker 3: agreed to do it. So it's just was a huge
• 37:25
  Speaker 3: Yet we also got this guy on set, Scar who
• 37:29
  Speaker 3: plays the you know, Hispanic gang leader. Again, this guy
• 37:32
  Speaker 3: I didn't know. He wasn't a comedy friend of mine.
• 37:35
  Speaker 3: But I start scouring YouTube and I find these videos
• 37:39
  Speaker 3: called Cholo's Try and they are these viral videos about
• 37:43
  Speaker 3: you know, I guess, a group of cholos and they
• 37:46
  Speaker 3: try all these different like stereotypical white people things and
• 37:49
  Speaker 3: it's very very funny. And I see this guy. He's
• 37:52
  Speaker 3: got tattoos on his face, on his neck, on his hands,
• 37:56
  Speaker 3: on his toes. I don't know where else he had him,
• 37:59
  Speaker 3: and I'm like, this is him, This is just a guy.
• 38:02
  Speaker 3: So then I have to find him Dave. His name
• 38:05
  Speaker 3: is not Scar. I don't know how to burst your
• 38:06
  Speaker 3: bubble on this. That was not his given name. So
• 38:09
  Speaker 3: I have to find who he is where he is. Thankfully,
• 38:13
  Speaker 3: we live in a day of social media, and you
• 38:15
  Speaker 3: can you know, someone's just like a Twitter follower away
• 38:18
  Speaker 3: from finding him. And I find him and he agrees
• 38:21
  Speaker 3: to do our movie. So we're like, yeah, just one day,
• 38:23
  Speaker 3: you're going to come out be really really fun, and
• 38:26
  Speaker 3: we pitch it like that and we shoot him out
• 38:29
  Speaker 3: you know, six seven scenes back to back in one day.
• 38:32
  Speaker 3: He was really actually a very nice guy, a super zencholo,
• 38:37
  Speaker 3: and it worked out great for us. But again, it's
• 38:40
  Speaker 3: like we had to be really resourceful. We didn't have
• 38:44
  Speaker 3: a casting director who had money and had casting sessions.
• 38:48
  Speaker 3: If we wanted to get big talent, we had to
• 38:50
  Speaker 3: find them stuff like that. It was so I think
• 38:55
  Speaker 3: the product ends up being really unique because of the
• 38:57
  Speaker 3: way it was done, the non traditional way. They're not like, oh,
• 39:01
  Speaker 3: this actor's been da da da, and we have to
• 39:03
  Speaker 3: he's on our roster. We have to get him booked
• 39:06
  Speaker 3: on something, so we'll cast him in this movie. It
• 39:08
  Speaker 3: was like, no, we just cast the best people we
• 39:10
  Speaker 3: knew and if we didn't have them, we would find them.
• 39:13
  Speaker 3: So we had to be really resourceful. But I think
• 39:15
  Speaker 3: the product really you know, paid off in the end.
• 39:20
  Speaker 4: Yeah, And you know that's you know, one of the
• 39:23
  Speaker 4: key things here is, you know, making an independent movie
• 39:25
  Speaker 4: is calling to different people, not actually relying on a
• 39:28
  Speaker 4: casting agent, because like having casting sessions. It's something I've
• 39:31
  Speaker 4: learned too, is having casting sessions and a casting agent
• 39:34
  Speaker 4: and everything. It just adds a lot of money that
• 39:38
  Speaker 4: you know, when you look at it unless you actually
• 39:40
  Speaker 4: have budgeted that at the get go, and you know
• 39:43
  Speaker 4: you could spend that money elsewhere, you know.
• 39:44
  Speaker 6: What I mean for sure.
• 39:46
  Speaker 7: I mean, frankly, we just couldn't afford to have it
• 39:48
  Speaker 7: those a lot of you know exactly casting sessions or rehearsals,
• 39:53
  Speaker 7: and frankly, I mean we didn't pre sale any territories.
• 39:57
  Speaker 6: This movie didn't have distribution going into it, and thing
• 40:00
  Speaker 6: like that.
• 40:02
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• 40:08
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• 40:12
  Speaker 7: And so you know a scar who does these virals,
• 40:15
  Speaker 7: Toto's try videos. You know, we were trying to pad
• 40:19
  Speaker 7: the movie, you know, any role that was open with
• 40:23
  Speaker 7: someone who had a big social media following. That way,
• 40:25
  Speaker 7: if we did, you know, at the end of the day,
• 40:27
  Speaker 7: have to self distribute this. We knew when when the
• 40:30
  Speaker 7: actors were at least blasting out that they would have
• 40:33
  Speaker 7: some sort of audience already built in just in case, right,
• 40:37
  Speaker 7: because that's that was the biggest, the biggest thing. You know,
• 40:41
  Speaker 7: you finished this this thing, this long arduous task that
• 40:44
  Speaker 7: put all this work into it, and it it really
• 40:47
  Speaker 7: could have been like when we're sending it out, just hey,
• 40:50
  Speaker 7: you know, good job, guys.
• 40:51
  Speaker 6: Here's a pat on the back. Keep trying to make movies.
• 40:53
  Speaker 7: Uh. And so we lucky, luckily had had more than
• 40:57
  Speaker 7: a few offers on it and and put a.
• 41:01
  Speaker 6: Yeah and in a great situation.
• 41:04
  Speaker 4: And I like that name by the way that Shelley
• 41:06
  Speaker 4: came up with, the Zencholo. Yes, I think that's kind
• 41:09
  Speaker 4: of like a sequel movie for him, that that you
• 41:12
  Speaker 4: should make at some point for sure.
• 41:15
  Speaker 8: Well, i'd be talking.
• 41:16
  Speaker 3: He actually like he's helping me, like with certain social
• 41:18
  Speaker 3: media things, and I'm just like, well, what if we
• 41:20
  Speaker 3: did this? What if we did this? And he's like, Shelley,
• 41:22
  Speaker 3: you're overthinking it. The movie's hilarious. I was like, you're right, Scar,
• 41:27
  Speaker 3: I am overthinking. This movie is hilarious. And I'm just
• 41:30
  Speaker 3: like he put me like, I was just like, thank you,
• 41:33
  Speaker 3: Like he's like this Buddha. So it really, you know,
• 41:37
  Speaker 3: it was cool because we have people who are in
• 41:40
  Speaker 3: the movie again, not for a huge paycheck, so they're
• 41:43
  Speaker 3: not locked in their trailer demanding you know, brown rice
• 41:46
  Speaker 3: and sushi.
• 41:47
  Speaker 8: You know, it's people who are you.
• 41:49
  Speaker 3: Know, they love it because they love being in projects
• 41:51
  Speaker 3: that they're proud of. So they knew at the end
• 41:53
  Speaker 3: of the day, it'd be something they're happy with and
• 41:56
  Speaker 3: we made it a cool experience. Isn't like you know,
• 42:00
  Speaker 3: big lights and big trailers and catering and all this stuff.
• 42:04
  Speaker 3: But you got to be part of a project that
• 42:07
  Speaker 3: was completely different, and you got to be creative and
• 42:10
  Speaker 3: have fun and not be like, you know, tied down
• 42:13
  Speaker 3: with certain obligations from you know, corporate and stuff like that.
• 42:18
  Speaker 3: I think Josh and I we both come making things
• 42:20
  Speaker 3: where you know, had to be commercial or had to
• 42:23
  Speaker 3: be appropriate for TV or stuff like that, and it
• 42:26
  Speaker 3: was really fun and liberating getting to make a movie
• 42:28
  Speaker 3: that's not appropriate for anyone really.
• 42:33
  Speaker 8: Really felt good to be able.
• 42:36
  Speaker 7: To do that. I will definitely not appropriate everyone, especially
• 42:39
  Speaker 7: my mother. Right, I just want to say, sorry, Mom,
• 42:42
  Speaker 7: I apologize. It's not the movie that she wanted me
• 42:45
  Speaker 7: to be my directorial debut, but this is just how
• 42:48
  Speaker 7: the cookie crumbles.
• 42:50
  Speaker 3: So she's she's very supportive, but she's like, what about
• 42:54
  Speaker 3: that Dashel movie about dashl Journey thoughts, like that was
• 42:57
  Speaker 3: the one she loved, Like we love that one too,
• 42:59
  Speaker 3: you know, don't don't We still love that one.
• 43:02
  Speaker 5: But well, if she sees it, you can be like, well, hey,
• 43:04
  Speaker 5: a mom listened. Scar is a really good guy in there.
• 43:06
  Speaker 6: He's like, Mom, oh they love it. But yeah, it's
• 43:13
  Speaker 6: just not not the ones to see what have me make.
• 43:15
  Speaker 7: But I will say one of the coolest feelings in
• 43:18
  Speaker 7: the world ever was getting you know, that photo of
• 43:21
  Speaker 7: my parents in Texas holding my DVD up and sending
• 43:24
  Speaker 7: me a selfie that they ordered that Blu ray on
• 43:26
  Speaker 7: Best Buy.
• 43:27
  Speaker 6: And it makes you feel really good.
• 43:30
  Speaker 4: And you know, that's kind of ties in with the
• 43:32
  Speaker 4: next question I had too, is you know you mentioned,
• 43:35
  Speaker 4: you know, having the different actors with social media followings.
• 43:38
  Speaker 4: When when the movie, because the movie is on you know,
• 43:41
  Speaker 4: out right now, it's on all the different sites, when
• 43:44
  Speaker 4: when they sorted to actually, like, you know, mention the film,
• 43:47
  Speaker 4: did you see like a correlation. I'm always interested in
• 43:50
  Speaker 4: that thing because in that type of stuff where you know,
• 43:53
  Speaker 4: when they mention it, when they link it, when they
• 43:55
  Speaker 4: et cetera, do you see a spike in you know,
• 43:58
  Speaker 4: in interest to you know, people talking to you online,
• 44:01
  Speaker 4: you know, whether it's on Twitter, Instagram, et cetera.
• 44:03
  Speaker 5: And you did you actually see like a direct correlation
• 44:05
  Speaker 5: between that?
• 44:06
  Speaker 6: Yeah? So you I mean, you have to be pretty
• 44:09
  Speaker 6: you have to search it out.
• 44:10
  Speaker 7: I mean a point point blank no, no bullshit, Like
• 44:13
  Speaker 7: when you sell that movie, you know, to the distribution company,
• 44:16
  Speaker 7: it's technically not yours anymore, right, it's theirs, And so
• 44:19
  Speaker 7: we don't get a lot of numbers of how the
• 44:23
  Speaker 7: movie's actually doing. You know, they come out quarterly, and
• 44:26
  Speaker 7: so you kind of it's kind of like a wait
• 44:27
  Speaker 7: and see of like how many is.
• 44:29
  Speaker 6: It really selling?
• 44:31
  Speaker 7: But what you're talking about is when you see you know,
• 44:34
  Speaker 7: someone in the film share it, or you see you know,
• 44:37
  Speaker 7: all these other actors kind of like retweet and reshare
• 44:40
  Speaker 7: or post the trailer, and then the best part is
• 44:43
  Speaker 7: mainly seeing like how many people reshare those because you
• 44:46
  Speaker 7: get to see that and see all the comments. Right,
• 44:48
  Speaker 7: it's just every time someone's you know, we're literally it's
• 44:52
  Speaker 7: not a separate PR firm or separate team of social
• 44:55
  Speaker 7: media people managing these accounts like the Twitter, Facebook, the Instagram.
• 44:59
  Speaker 7: So when someone acts us or we see the shares
• 45:02
  Speaker 7: or whatever, we get to see all that and we
• 45:05
  Speaker 7: see all the comments, and so it's not so much
• 45:07
  Speaker 7: of seeing like a direct correlation in the numbers of
• 45:12
  Speaker 7: the units, but it's basically seeing like the shares and
• 45:15
  Speaker 7: then reading all the comments.
• 45:16
  Speaker 6: I mean, that's the best thing for me in the world. Right.
• 45:18
  Speaker 7: It's like, whether it's a hater or someone who loved
• 45:21
  Speaker 7: the movie, just the fact that someone out there took
• 45:23
  Speaker 7: the time to watch the movie and then not only that,
• 45:26
  Speaker 7: but get on their computer and type up and say
• 45:28
  Speaker 7: something about it just makes me feel super special.
• 45:33
  Speaker 3: I mean, I love I First of all, we disagree
• 45:36
  Speaker 3: on the fact if someone writes something mean, whether we
• 45:38
  Speaker 3: should comment clap back as they say, but the best feeling,
• 45:42
  Speaker 3: like Josh said, like we are the pr team. So
• 45:46
  Speaker 3: when you hear a comment where it's like I've been
• 45:48
  Speaker 3: hearing about this movie, I got to watch it.
• 45:49
  Speaker 8: I was like, what he's been hearing about the movie?
• 45:52
  Speaker 3: You know, each we're like weighing in on each comment.
• 45:56
  Speaker 3: But it's great to hear like someone you don't know,
• 45:58
  Speaker 3: it's not a friend or family, because you kind of
• 46:00
  Speaker 3: like even when your friend, it's an acquaintance, says they
• 46:03
  Speaker 3: love it.
• 46:03
  Speaker 8: You're like, but are you do you really love it?
• 46:06
  Speaker 3: But then a total stranger is like, really well done, hilarious.
• 46:09
  Speaker 3: I was like, oh my, it's because we're so attached
• 46:13
  Speaker 3: to it. It wasn't just we did one part. I
• 46:15
  Speaker 3: didn't just act. Josh didn't just direct. You feel like
• 46:19
  Speaker 3: exponentially more proud because of the fact that this is
• 46:24
  Speaker 3: something that literally you made me feel like you made
• 46:26
  Speaker 3: by hand. We're so attached to it, so it's it's
• 46:30
  Speaker 3: crazy to see other people that you don't know that
• 46:34
  Speaker 3: have watched it without you telling them about it, so
• 46:37
  Speaker 3: they you know, I'm like, oh, it's working. The pr
• 46:40
  Speaker 3: is working, you know. But when Kurt tweets out something,
• 46:45
  Speaker 3: it's it's huge. I mean, he's got a huge social
• 46:48
  Speaker 3: media following. But like Josh says, we don't know the numbers.
• 46:52
  Speaker 3: So we just put our heads down and we just
• 46:54
  Speaker 3: keep going. As if the movie could be doing extremely
• 46:57
  Speaker 3: well or it could be friends and family, but it
• 47:00
  Speaker 3: doesn't matter either way.
• 47:01
  Speaker 8: We push just as hard.
• 47:03
  Speaker 3: And I think that's also the mentality, is that no
• 47:06
  Speaker 3: matter what or how you think it's going, you keep
• 47:09
  Speaker 3: your head down and you keep working, you keep doing podcasts,
• 47:12
  Speaker 3: you keep reaching out and networking. It's another It's another
• 47:16
  Speaker 3: thing that we're getting into that we didn't really know
• 47:19
  Speaker 3: ahead of time how to do it. But you you
• 47:21
  Speaker 3: find out, you start swimming, you figure it out and
• 47:25
  Speaker 3: now we're really getting you know, getting going on networking
• 47:29
  Speaker 3: with people who will really love the film. And so
• 47:32
  Speaker 3: it's it's nice to see that people are appreciating the
• 47:35
  Speaker 3: comedy and really are liking it. When someone says they're
• 47:38
  Speaker 3: like fangirling out when they're talking to me, I'm like, what.
• 47:42
  Speaker 8: It's just me, you know what I mean. But it's
• 47:45
  Speaker 8: you know, it's it's a it's a cool feeling.
• 47:48
  Speaker 4: Yeah, And you know, just to kind of you know,
• 47:50
  Speaker 4: as we're talking about casting and everything else, you know,
• 47:53
  Speaker 4: one of the reasons I was asking that question is
• 47:55
  Speaker 4: I was a part of I was kind of like
• 47:58
  Speaker 4: a consulting producer for a movie a few years ago,
• 48:01
  Speaker 4: and that topic actually came up. And the reason was
• 48:05
  Speaker 4: was because they wanted to cast these kind of like
• 48:09
  Speaker 4: I guess the world would be Instagram models. I guess
• 48:12
  Speaker 4: that's kind of and they wanted to cast them in
• 48:13
  Speaker 4: the movie because why well, hey, they've got this huge
• 48:16
  Speaker 4: social media following each and they were just wondering all
• 48:20
  Speaker 4: about this, and when it came time to present them
• 48:22
  Speaker 4: with a contract, they both were like iffy about actually
• 48:27
  Speaker 4: mentioning the project and this and.
• 48:28
  Speaker 5: That and and you know, they.
• 48:31
  Speaker 4: Wanted to see it before they they mentioned it and
• 48:33
  Speaker 4: blah blah blah.
• 48:34
  Speaker 5: So you know, my with my little voice, I was like,
• 48:38
  Speaker 5: is this really worth it? Everybody?
• 48:40
  Speaker 6: You know?
• 48:43
  Speaker 4: And I was like, are their followers even gonna really
• 48:45
  Speaker 4: care about them in a movie because they really follow
• 48:47
  Speaker 4: them to you know, because they're they're they're doing Instagram stuff,
• 48:51
  Speaker 4: you know what I mean, their Instagram you know, they're
• 48:53
  Speaker 4: they're posing on Instagram, you know what I mean.
• 48:55
  Speaker 5: So I always see that whole correlation there.
• 48:58
  Speaker 4: Oh and by the way, in case somebody wants, no,
• 49:01
  Speaker 4: they did end up casting the Instagram models. They did
• 49:04
  Speaker 4: not They did not mention the project at all, yep.
• 49:09
  Speaker 4: And they had to keep like tapping them on the
• 49:11
  Speaker 4: shoulder like, hey, could you mention it? Like you know,
• 49:13
  Speaker 4: it's kind of contractually obligated to do it. Never mentioned it,
• 49:17
  Speaker 4: And that was the whole point of Yeah, the whole
• 49:20
  Speaker 4: point of contention there, and a lot of a lot
• 49:22
  Speaker 4: of the producers were fighting with each other. But but
• 49:25
  Speaker 4: again I I because when they had another the last meeting.
• 49:29
  Speaker 5: I was like, you know, it kind of said, you know,
• 49:32
  Speaker 5: is it gonna be worth it either way? So but
• 49:35
  Speaker 5: it was two other producers.
• 49:36
  Speaker 4: Who were like, you know, one was like adamant that
• 49:38
  Speaker 4: they had to be casting and was like kind of
• 49:40
  Speaker 4: signing with me.
• 49:41
  Speaker 5: It was like, is this really you know, what's the point.
• 49:44
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  Speaker 5: But yeah, you know, that type of stuff happens, you.
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  Speaker 6: Know what I mean.
• 49:57
  Speaker 8: So yeah, you don't know.
• 49:58
  Speaker 3: I mean, they're not you know, like I said, we
• 50:01
  Speaker 3: couldn't be like, not only are you gonna do this
• 50:03
  Speaker 3: movie for basically no money, but we also need you
• 50:06
  Speaker 3: to like then promote it, right, So we would never
• 50:09
  Speaker 3: risk like the part for like you know, we wouldn't
• 50:13
  Speaker 3: risk the acting for like a social media following. So
• 50:17
  Speaker 3: for example, we have, you know, a Maxim model that
• 50:20
  Speaker 3: has a million followers, Tiffany Stanley. She's a cover Maxim model,
• 50:24
  Speaker 3: but we cast her in a model role where her
• 50:26
  Speaker 3: being a model, you know, we set her up to
• 50:29
  Speaker 3: win too. So you know, she's got a huge following.
• 50:34
  Speaker 3: We don't know if she's gonna tweet or say anything.
• 50:36
  Speaker 3: But at the same time, that's why it's like, well,
• 50:39
  Speaker 3: either way, whether she does or doesn't, we need someone
• 50:42
  Speaker 3: who's gonna be good for the part. We would never
• 50:44
  Speaker 3: compromise the part or the movie because someone had a
• 50:48
  Speaker 3: social media following, because we had tons of people that
• 50:50
  Speaker 3: we were like, Okay, should we get this person They've
• 50:53
  Speaker 3: got X amount of followers?
• 50:55
  Speaker 8: Is it worth it? You know?
• 50:57
  Speaker 3: We went back and forth, and our roundtable is just
• 50:59
  Speaker 3: Josh and I, so we have to be unanimous, and
• 51:02
  Speaker 3: usually it is if we both you know, if one
• 51:04
  Speaker 3: agrees and disagrees, then we find it's not the right
• 51:07
  Speaker 3: thing anyway. So we're both always like, oh, yeah, we
• 51:09
  Speaker 3: have to do this, or no, it's not worth it.
• 51:13
  Speaker 3: So we definitely had to make those decisions, and no
• 51:15
  Speaker 3: one is obligated too. We didn't have anyone who said
• 51:18
  Speaker 3: we absolutely will. Basically being fortunate combined with like really
• 51:23
  Speaker 3: hard work and dedication, we wouldn't have jumped into production,
• 51:28
  Speaker 3: and had Josh and I not been experienced, you know,
• 51:30
  Speaker 3: me in front of the camera, him behind the camera,
• 51:33
  Speaker 3: you know, we wouldn't have just been like, let's make
• 51:35
  Speaker 3: a movie. You know, we had both been really working
• 51:38
  Speaker 3: and getting really good at our craft before we would
• 51:41
  Speaker 3: jump into taking on a project like this. So we're
• 51:45
  Speaker 3: really really proud of the I mean it does it's
• 51:48
  Speaker 3: it's really a surreal feeling to have the project completed
• 51:52
  Speaker 3: and then to have people like it.
• 51:53
  Speaker 8: You're like, it's it's really amazing.
• 51:55
  Speaker 3: I'm still kind of having an outer body experience about
• 51:59
  Speaker 3: the whole thing.
• 52:00
  Speaker 4: Yeah, and you know, it's it's always awesome when the
• 52:03
  Speaker 4: movie's finally done and you got to actually get to
• 52:05
  Speaker 4: see It's always that feeling of like, holy crap, this
• 52:08
  Speaker 4: is actually possible.
• 52:09
  Speaker 5: Oh my god, what the hell are we thinking?
• 52:10
  Speaker 4: You know what I mean, It's like, you know, you
• 52:12
  Speaker 4: get to the end. But it's funny, Shelley, if everyone listening,
• 52:16
  Speaker 4: this is actually a redo of the of the I
• 52:18
  Speaker 4: actually interviewed Shelley and Josh before, and this is a
• 52:21
  Speaker 4: redo of that interview because the the file became unusable.
• 52:25
  Speaker 4: So they were so gracious to come back on. And
• 52:28
  Speaker 4: it's just like I had a feeling a day.
• 52:29
  Speaker 5: Job of Shelley, because suddenly I lost you there for
• 52:32
  Speaker 5: a second.
• 52:33
  Speaker 8: I'm like, oh no, someone like calling me.
• 52:37
  Speaker 3: I'm like, nobody is more important than me talking about
• 52:39
  Speaker 3: this movie right now. So I apologize for that. But no,
• 52:44
  Speaker 3: let's see, Josh and I were willing to do this
• 52:46
  Speaker 3: next week if we have to. You know, we know
• 52:48
  Speaker 3: that this is like, we've had plenty of things where
• 52:51
  Speaker 3: they're like, well, we just that's not usable, you know.
• 52:54
  Speaker 7: I mean some scenes of the movie, right, Like we'd
• 52:56
  Speaker 7: spend days going out and then we'd just get back
• 52:58
  Speaker 7: and be like, man, we can't. I mean a lot
• 53:00
  Speaker 7: of stuff ended up on the cutting room floor, and
• 53:02
  Speaker 7: you got to separate yourself and realize, like, once you
• 53:05
  Speaker 7: take off that director hat, you can't think about, oh,
• 53:08
  Speaker 7: how much time and money and energy went into shooting
• 53:10
  Speaker 7: this and just have to be pretty pretty vicious in
• 53:13
  Speaker 7: the editing room and not.
• 53:16
  Speaker 8: Man, had some stuff.
• 53:17
  Speaker 3: There were so many jokes that I was like, I
• 53:20
  Speaker 3: can't make this joke where he's like, Shelly, we'd have
• 53:23
  Speaker 3: to reshoot this whole.
• 53:24
  Speaker 8: I'm like, but it's such a good joke.
• 53:26
  Speaker 3: I mean, but you have to again it's like, well,
• 53:30
  Speaker 3: take off your you know, writer, actress, you know hat.
• 53:34
  Speaker 3: Can't save every joke and be a producer, and a
• 53:37
  Speaker 3: producer say this isn't quality.
• 53:39
  Speaker 8: It does not quality enough to be in your film.
• 53:41
  Speaker 3: You have to be really, this is your baby, So
• 53:44
  Speaker 3: if it's not quality, it needs to be cut. And
• 53:46
  Speaker 3: so many times I was just like, ah, man, I
• 53:51
  Speaker 3: hate to lose that but Josh is right. It does
• 53:53
  Speaker 3: not look like you know, it doesn't. It's not up
• 53:55
  Speaker 3: to our standards. But it would be very difficult and
• 53:59
  Speaker 3: he would get real Edward scissorhands in the end.
• 54:02
  Speaker 8: And whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa whoa what happened there?
• 54:05
  Speaker 7: You know?
• 54:08
  Speaker 8: But in the end, like all my jokes that I
• 54:10
  Speaker 8: liked got put back in.
• 54:11
  Speaker 3: I'll just say that right now, it's not and I
• 54:13
  Speaker 3: told you so moment, Dave. It's just a you know,
• 54:16
  Speaker 3: I was right, which is a little worse than I
• 54:22
  Speaker 3: told you so, I think.
• 54:24
  Speaker 4: Yeah, So you know, just where can everyone find choosing
• 54:27
  Speaker 4: molli at right now?
• 54:29
  Speaker 6: Man?
• 54:29
  Speaker 7: We are lucky enough to be on almost anywhere that
• 54:32
  Speaker 7: you can stream a movie online. We are there if
• 54:34
  Speaker 7: you need if you get a movie through your TV,
• 54:37
  Speaker 7: Cock Cock, Spectrum, Time, Warner, basically everywhere except Dish, b
• 54:42
  Speaker 7: O D We are on you know, Amazon, Prime, Fandango,
• 54:47
  Speaker 7: red Box, Voodoo, uh just literally yeah, iTunes, you know,
• 54:53
  Speaker 7: anywhere you can stream a movie or get a movie digitally,
• 54:57
  Speaker 7: We're there if you want a DVD or a Blu
• 54:59
  Speaker 7: ray where you know, Amazon, Best Buy, Walmart, Target, Bonds
• 55:04
  Speaker 7: and Nobles.
• 55:06
  Speaker 6: Super cool, well literally almost everywhere, and I'm going.
• 55:09
  Speaker 5: To link to all this everyone in the show notes.
• 55:12
  Speaker 4: And then because I know all the things we talked
• 55:15
  Speaker 4: about to, I'm going to link as well in the
• 55:17
  Speaker 4: show notes everybody, and so Josh, you, Josh and show.
• 55:20
  Speaker 4: Just in closing, I know we've been talking for probably
• 55:23
  Speaker 4: about I guess roughly fifty five minutes now, just in closing,
• 55:27
  Speaker 4: is there any parting thoughts that you wanted to give
• 55:30
  Speaker 4: to sort to put a period the end of this
• 55:31
  Speaker 4: whole conversation.
• 55:33
  Speaker 7: Sure, Yeah, I mean I just want to say, first,
• 55:36
  Speaker 7: first and foremost, thank you Dave for having us on,
• 55:38
  Speaker 7: which sincerely appreciate it and you know, actually said it's
• 55:42
  Speaker 7: not you know, it's not lost on us.
• 55:45
  Speaker 6: How rare and special this is.
• 55:48
  Speaker 7: You know, I know a lot of people and friends
• 55:51
  Speaker 7: that can make a feature length movie if they had to,
• 55:53
  Speaker 7: but selling it is a whole another ballgame, and so
• 55:56
  Speaker 7: we feel super special. And just I hope everyone goes
• 56:03
  Speaker 7: out in season and supports the you know, independent filmmaking
• 56:06
  Speaker 7: and go check out Chasing Molly.
• 56:09
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I just want to say, also, thank you so
• 56:12
  Speaker 3: much Dave for having us on and supporting independent film.
• 56:16
  Speaker 3: We're really proud of Chasing Molly. It's something very very different.
• 56:21
  Speaker 3: It's comedy that you know, you'll be very shocked, I
• 56:25
  Speaker 3: think at certain points. But you know, I'm surprised by
• 56:29
  Speaker 3: the people who are like quoting you know, the movie
• 56:31
  Speaker 3: back to me.
• 56:32
  Speaker 8: It's it's a really cool feeling.
• 56:33
  Speaker 3: And if you're looking for something different, like you haven't
• 56:37
  Speaker 3: seen and you want to support independent film, you know,
• 56:39
  Speaker 3: watch Chasing Molly.
• 56:40
  Speaker 8: We really appreciate it and where we will find you
• 56:44
  Speaker 8: out online.
• 56:45
  Speaker 3: Kelley Shelley Pack s h E L l E Y
• 56:49
  Speaker 3: p A c K mainly Chasing Underscore Molly. I'd really uh,
• 56:54
  Speaker 3: let's keep it. Let's keep it business right now. I'm
• 56:57
  Speaker 3: just kidding, but Chasing Underscore Mollie. So look for us
• 57:02
  Speaker 3: on Twitter and on Facebook Chasing mollymovie and Instagram Chasing
• 57:08
  Speaker 3: Molly movie. So definitely follow us to keep to keep
• 57:11
  Speaker 3: posting updated.
• 57:12
  Speaker 8: On where you can watch Chasing Molly next.
• 57:14
  Speaker 7: Yeah, and if you want to find anything I'm ever
• 57:16
  Speaker 7: working on, I mainly post to Instagram. It's at Sutherland
• 57:19
  Speaker 7: Film and that's s U T H E R l
• 57:21
  Speaker 7: A N D F I l M. I'm lucky enough
• 57:25
  Speaker 7: to be working on some pretty cool projects currently, and
• 57:27
  Speaker 7: obviously me and Shelley have some more projects in the pipeline,
• 57:30
  Speaker 7: and if you ever want to see any of that stuff,
• 57:32
  Speaker 7: it's online there.
• 57:34
  Speaker 2: I want to thank Dave so much for doing such
• 57:36
  Speaker 2: a great job on this episode. If you want to
• 57:38
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• 57:40
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• 57:56
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