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The Truth about ME — with Catherine Vandome and Dr Liz Evans · UK Column Radio

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  Speaker 1: Hello everyone, This is Dinahs Missus mcchadey with u K Column.
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  Speaker 1: I'm delighted to be joined today here with Katherine ven
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  Speaker 1: Dome and with doctor Loz Evans. We're going to have
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  Speaker 1: a very interesting conversation today, I believe, about a variety
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  Speaker 1: of issues. Katherine, since you're the guest with us today,
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  Speaker 1: could you please maybe introduce yourself and tell us a
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  Speaker 1: little bit about your background and why we're going to
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  Speaker 1: have this conversation today.
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  Speaker 2: Hello, and thank you for having me on to UK column.
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  Speaker 2: Lovely to meet you, Diane and Dr Liz Evans as well.
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  Speaker 2: I'm a stand up comedian in recovery from very severe emmy.
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  Speaker 2: I'm also a podcast host and my book is out
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  Speaker 2: now and it's called The Truth About Me. So the
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  Speaker 2: purpose of today is to help save lives from anybody
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  Speaker 2: who is currently suffering from this chronic health condition, and
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  Speaker 2: I campaign through Parliament to change the NICE guidelines and
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  Speaker 2: of course hopefully my story will help save lives.
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  Speaker 1: Thanks Kathy and Liz, welcome to this discussion today as well.
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  Speaker 1: I know you've been on u K Carlin before and
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  Speaker 1: so a lot of reviewers will know you. But maybe
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  Speaker 1: if you would introduce yourself and also if you wouldn't
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  Speaker 1: mind telling us a little bit about me as the
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  Speaker 1: doctor in the group today.
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  Speaker 3: Hello everyone, and thanks for having me on. And I'm
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  Speaker 3: really excited to talk to Catherine. So. I'm a retired doctor.
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  Speaker 3: I work in complimentary medicine. Now I'm also the CEO
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  Speaker 3: of the UK Medical Freedom Alliance. We campaign on medical ethics.
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  Speaker 3: But Emmy has a really special place in my heart
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  Speaker 3: because I actually suffered from it quite severe emmy in
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  Speaker 3: my mid twenties following a flu vaccine that I had
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  Speaker 3: when I was a junior doctor. So I had two
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  Speaker 3: years off work and I had to put a lot
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  Speaker 3: of effort into recovering and in fact using one of
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  Speaker 3: the techniques that Catherine talks about in her book, the
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  Speaker 3: parent technique, that was part of my recovery. So when
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  Speaker 3: I heard about this, I thought, I really want to
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  Speaker 3: talk to Kathy. So myalgic and cathlomylitis, which is what
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  Speaker 3: AMY stands for, is it's a sort of multi system disease.
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  Speaker 3: It is not just so they also call it chronic
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  Speaker 3: fatigue syndrome. This is way more than fatigue. Is you
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  Speaker 3: get post exertion or malaise. So it's as Kathy said
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  Speaker 3: in her book, it's not what you do, it's what
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  Speaker 3: happens afterwards. So people just have literally no energy, no reserves.
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  Speaker 3: They might do something and then they'll be wiped out
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  Speaker 3: for days afterwards. It's inflammation in your body, it's toxicity.
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  Speaker 3: And I know Kathy has a really clear knowledge of
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  Speaker 3: the neuroscience and the science behind it, so I'm going
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  Speaker 3: to leave that to her to explain more later on.
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  Speaker 3: But it is an absolutely devastating things to these have.
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  Speaker 3: It affects every aspect of your life.
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  Speaker 1: Is it something that affects different people differently or does
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  Speaker 1: everyone have the same symptoms or can it show up differently.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, as Katie says in her book, it can
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  Speaker 3: affect anyone. I think it has multi causation behind it,
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  Speaker 3: so different people will have different causes. It's often got
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  Speaker 3: multiple causes in one person, so lots of different things physical, environmental, psychological, emotional,
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  Speaker 3: lots of stressors on their body over time break down
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  Speaker 3: their health and then there can often be just a
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  Speaker 3: final sort of tipping point. In my case, it was
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  Speaker 3: the flu vaccine, but I don't think on its own
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  Speaker 3: that caused it. It was lots of things over many
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  Speaker 3: years that had undermined my health. So, and this is
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  Speaker 3: why Western medicine really struggles with amy, because we have
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  Speaker 3: quite a reductionist view, like one thing and one illness
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  Speaker 3: must be caused by one thing, and that's just not
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  Speaker 3: the case. It was any different people will have different
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  Speaker 3: toxic exposures or traumas or whatever it is that will
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  Speaker 3: cause their system basically to break down.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's really interesting, Kathy. I would like to hear
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  Speaker 1: you speak about this, because we've spoke about this previously,
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  Speaker 1: and I know it's in your book. If you could
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  Speaker 1: explain the moment when your life changed.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, thank you, Dr Liz and also Diane. Yes, I
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  Speaker 2: collapsed in twenty fourteen and I was bedbound. So I
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  Speaker 2: suddenly clapsed forward off the front of my settee, blacked out,
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  Speaker 2: And after that my life changed forever. So I'd literally
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  Speaker 2: just been running a children's theater school by day. I
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  Speaker 2: was also the top JESSEJ tribute artist. So I was
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  Speaker 2: literally in big stilettos jumping off the front of the stage,
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  Speaker 2: highly energetic singer, dancer, actor, and stand up comedian as well,
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  Speaker 2: and suddenly literally collapsed and blacked out. That's a very
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  Speaker 2: faded memory. And my second chapter in my book highlights
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  Speaker 2: the terrible sort of tragedy of this and how I
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  Speaker 2: had to crawl to my bed, which took hours to
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  Speaker 2: get upstairs because I believed I was going to die,
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  Speaker 2: and after that I couldn't even turn my head on
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  Speaker 2: a pillow. So just an incredible switch overnight.
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  Speaker 3: For me.
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  Speaker 2: Sometimes it's gradual, but for me, it just suddenly happened.
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  Speaker 2: And for me personally to have been so physically active
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  Speaker 2: and able to paint all of my house, I was
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  Speaker 2: somebody who never rested, never sat still. I was a
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  Speaker 2: workaholic and exercise aholic with three businesses, and I was
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  Speaker 2: also very very happy and excitable, so there was no
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  Speaker 2: way that I had anxiety or depression. What happened to me,
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  Speaker 2: I hope being one of the most severely affected patients
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  Speaker 2: ever in history to survive is the reason I wanted
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  Speaker 2: to share my story when I felt that I would
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  Speaker 2: be in a position to share it, which is now.
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  Speaker 2: And so it's taken me eight years to write the book.
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  Speaker 2: And just like Dr Liz has just explained, every single
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  Speaker 2: patient is different. So I had a broken flue pipe
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  Speaker 2: emitting carbon monoxide hanging off the wall in my kitchen,
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  Speaker 2: which we then found had been illegally fitted by a
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  Speaker 2: non gas safe registered plumber. I thought that was the
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  Speaker 2: cause as I broke down all the possible causations in
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  Speaker 2: all the years that I was in bed, and what
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  Speaker 2: I found out was actually it was multiple causal, which
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  Speaker 2: is exactly what Dr Liz has explained, and every patient
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  Speaker 2: being different. What I do in my book is I
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  Speaker 2: take the reader right back to birth where I was
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  Speaker 2: a fast each birth and my mum had to ring
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  Speaker 2: a special bell because the delivery was unusual, atypical, and
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  Speaker 2: I was only about five pounds when I was born.
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  Speaker 2: And apparently according to doctor Perrin, who is the neuroscientist
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  Speaker 2: and osteopath who has saved my life, he explains with
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  Speaker 2: the science and that I put this in the book
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  Speaker 2: as well for any scientists and doctors to observe. He
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  Speaker 2: explains very succinctly that in his belief in his PhD
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  Speaker 2: in the field of emmy, in his almost forty years
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  Speaker 2: of expertise in this particular health condition, with peer reviewed
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  Speaker 2: studies and clinical trials, he has an aid to diagnosis
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  Speaker 2: and he also has he's working in tandem with hospitals
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  Speaker 2: and different people to bring this into the foreground so
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  Speaker 2: that people understand that what precipitates every single patient case
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  Speaker 2: with this condition, he believes is a structural abnormality of
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  Speaker 2: the spine and school it has to be both, which
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  Speaker 2: then causes issues with the neck alignment and which we
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  Speaker 2: now know affects the vagus nerve, which I'm sure doctor
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  Speaker 2: Liz will be able to explain more succinctly.
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  Speaker 3: Doctor Perrin has been like revolutionary in how he has
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  Speaker 3: changed the understanding of me. And it was really interesting
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  Speaker 3: actually reading Kathy's book because from a medical perspective, she
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  Speaker 3: has laid out her life in really fine detail from
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  Speaker 3: birth and you can then see in it all of
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  Speaker 3: the multiple physical and environmental and psychological factors that over
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  Speaker 3: the years and decade gradually undermined her health to bring
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  Speaker 3: her to the point of complete collapse in terms of
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  Speaker 3: the physical structure. So he has he's identified that every
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  Speaker 3: person pretty much with emy that he's examined, has got
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  Speaker 3: some aut of structural abnormality in either their head or
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  Speaker 3: their spine which is impeding the normal natural physiological flow
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  Speaker 3: of the fluid from the brain to help the brain
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  Speaker 3: to drain from toxins or the spinal cord to drain
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  Speaker 3: from toxins, and somehow these structural abnormalities will they will
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  Speaker 3: impact therefore all of the nervous functions. So your autonomic
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  Speaker 3: nervous system, your fight flight system, which is your sympathetic
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  Speaker 3: nervous system, or your parasympathetic nervous system, which is the
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  Speaker 3: part of your nervous system that can heal and repair,
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  Speaker 3: repair and help you to sleep. So when those are
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  Speaker 3: all out of kilter, you start to kind of you
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  Speaker 3: start to lose your health, and then there's this buildup
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  Speaker 3: of toxins, which he then identified sort of subsequently. Initially
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  Speaker 3: he thought it was just about the nervous system, but
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  Speaker 3: then recognize that instead of the brain this system draining
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  Speaker 3: toxins from the system and expelling them as they should do,
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  Speaker 3: it was that she's sending it the wrong way. So
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  Speaker 3: people start to get this toxic build up in their brain,
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  Speaker 3: which causes obviously effects across all of their systems in
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  Speaker 3: their body. So for example, Kathy, when she was being
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  Speaker 3: exposed to carbon monoxide, she could over many years, she
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  Speaker 3: couldn't get rid of that, and the toxicity was building
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  Speaker 3: up and building up, and she had issues with paint
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  Speaker 3: fumes that she was being exposed to. So you've become
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  Speaker 3: hypertoxic and sort of being poisoned slowly, and that will
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  Speaker 3: affect every system of your body. I think that's probably
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  Speaker 3: explained it. Happy, would you agree?
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  Speaker 2: Yes, Thank you, doctor Liz, and thank you for highlighting
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  Speaker 2: the science behind it, because I wanted to explain to
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  Speaker 2: medical doctors and scientists. Obviously I'm not a scientist or
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  Speaker 2: a doctor, but I have had my brain drained and
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  Speaker 2: body of poison with doctor Perrin for eight years, non stop,
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  Speaker 2: every single week. So because of the toxicity level, whenever
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  Speaker 2: he did the basic Perring technique detoxification, most people would
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  Speaker 2: just walk out, perhaps go back to work. The more
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  Speaker 2: severe cases might feel sleepy, but in my case, I
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  Speaker 2: look like Steve Martin in the Little Shop of Horrors.
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  Speaker 2: I would sometimes really laugh loudly as all this poison
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  Speaker 2: was coming out, and my legs would collapse and I
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  Speaker 2: would literally need to be carried back to the car
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  Speaker 2: and then driven back home. So the detoxification has to
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  Speaker 2: be done so gradually with somebody as severely affected as myself.
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  Speaker 2: Now I also have secondary fibromyalgia, and Ellis Dan lost syndrome.
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  Speaker 2: It's important to say, and they can absolutely be a
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  Speaker 2: combination and going tandem. So if the structural issues, if
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  Speaker 2: the structural alignment of the body. And don't forget I
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  Speaker 2: was a ballerina, so my hypermobility, my hypermobile joints was
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  Speaker 2: fantastic for a career in a magic box for example,
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  Speaker 2: with a magician, but terrible for longevity of life. And
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  Speaker 2: you're absolutely right. Dr Perryn's specialist AIA is the glimphatic system,
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  Speaker 2: which is the drainage of the brain. If that is
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  Speaker 2: compromised because the spine and school are misaligned and in
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  Speaker 2: Ellis dan loss. Of course, my ribcage we think on
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  Speaker 2: one side, is slightly pushed forwards, and my joints dislocate easily.
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  Speaker 2: So my net would pop out of line just asleep,
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  Speaker 2: or two years ago my hip popped out. You can
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  Speaker 2: imagine the pain level. But I would just bite my mouth.
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  Speaker 2: I would be carried to Dr Perry, and because he's
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  Speaker 2: an osteopath and a neuroscientist, he said it needed to
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  Speaker 2: be somebody with both of those skill sets in the
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  Speaker 2: past one hundred years to have merged together and worked
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  Speaker 2: out why this condition occurs. So obviously, as you explain,
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  Speaker 2: there's not enough fluid, we have inefficient drainage of the
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  Speaker 2: neurolymphatic system, which causes a backflow and a duel flow
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  Speaker 2: of toxins because they can't go through the spine properly.
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  Speaker 2: For example, I have a flat upper thoracic spine, so
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  Speaker 2: whereas a healthy spine would be like this, a flat
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  Speaker 2: upper thoracic is inverted. Then I've also got the ribcage
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  Speaker 2: at the front which is compressed because I've got Ellis
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  Speaker 2: danlosst syndrome. So as a professional singer, you can imagine
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  Speaker 2: how difficult it was to breathe. So I was therefore
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  Speaker 2: upper respiratory breathing because I'm qualified in singing of course
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  Speaker 2: at drama school, and so I was always mouth breathing,
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  Speaker 2: which is very common in emmy as well, where you're
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  Speaker 2: literally taking gasps for and you can't sleep properly because
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  Speaker 2: your entire system is in reverse, so you then crash
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  Speaker 2: by day m and you can't sleep at night. So
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  Speaker 2: that's the why but tired, But I do want to
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  Speaker 2: get across that. As much as emotional psychological components occur,
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  Speaker 2: what I wanted to know was why somebody else with
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  Speaker 2: the same psychological components, and of course every human being
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  Speaker 2: has got some sort of emotional psychological process that witness,
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  Speaker 2: we're human. Why somebody else with the same issue didn't collapse?
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  Speaker 2: And what Dr Perrin has highlighted is that those issues
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  Speaker 2: often come to the forefront because the hyperthalmus part of
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  Speaker 2: the brain controls emotion, sound, light, and that's why all
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  Speaker 2: of these components become defective in me, and the basal
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  Speaker 2: ganglia behind there acts as a junction box. And he
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  Speaker 2: explains that the basal ganglia controls movement. So if you
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  Speaker 2: have toxins in the hyperthalmus, the thalmus, and the basal ganglia,
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  Speaker 2: then you are going to be like me. You're going
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  Speaker 2: to be clapsing all over the place looking like you're drunk,
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  Speaker 2: even though you don't drink. So that's what he has
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  Speaker 2: recognized that it's the structural issues that precipitate in nearly
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  Speaker 2: forty years of his research as well as hands on
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  Speaker 2: practical work. Every single patient has structural issues. So what
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  Speaker 2: he does is he pops the spine. In my case,
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  Speaker 2: my jaw is misaligned from birth being a fast breach birth.
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  Speaker 2: If you come out of the birth in canal too quickly,
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  Speaker 2: which is quite common. First, berths are vulnerable because they
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  Speaker 2: get all the toxins from their mother. Breach berths I
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  Speaker 2: was breach, came out bottom first and scared the midwife.
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  Speaker 2: And so basically if you have any of these four
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  Speaker 2: set births of force and bontus births all vulnerable. Now
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  Speaker 2: you would have to have a spine and cranium together,
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  Speaker 2: so people who have issues with the just the spine
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  Speaker 2: may not subsequently get me. So that's really really important
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  Speaker 2: because it's to do with the alignment of the neck. Now,
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  Speaker 2: if you've got Ellis dan loss, you've got a very
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  Speaker 2: hypermobile neck. So it's amazing for being a ballerina. And
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  Speaker 2: at one point I was working professionally with a professional
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  Speaker 2: ballet company, the Lewis London Ballet. So it's fantastic for
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  Speaker 2: the arts. Hypermobility, fantastic for circus acts. And these are
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  Speaker 2: the people sports, athletes, entertainers, anybody that is highly active,
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  Speaker 2: highly physical. We are the children and adults that sadly
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  Speaker 2: often end up with these conditions. Football weight training because
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  Speaker 2: I was carrying heavy PA speakers every night to my gigs,
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  Speaker 2: so I was twisting the spineing up these heavy speakers
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  Speaker 2: in six inch stilettos. I now wear Vibo barefoot. I
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  Speaker 2: don't walk around in the heels of that level. And
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  Speaker 2: I have taken full control of every aspect of my health,
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  Speaker 2: from my diet to meditation, to rest and relaxation. And
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  Speaker 2: I have followed Dr Perrin's advice to the letter. And
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  Speaker 2: I did in the early stages think I know best.
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  Speaker 2: I'll just do a little bit more than what he's
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  Speaker 2: advising me to do. And actually you can't with emmy.
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  Speaker 2: The more you push through, which is how we are
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  Speaker 2: used to being, and you, yourself, doctor, had been through
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  Speaker 2: this yourself. The more we push, the worse we feel.
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  Speaker 2: You have got to almost give up, give in, but
• 17:46
  Speaker 2: not give up, I say, so, give in to it.
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  Speaker 2: Rest as much as you possibly can and in my
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  Speaker 2: case eleven lost years. But you know the great thing
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  Speaker 2: about Dr Perrin is he can give early diagnostic So
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  Speaker 2: if people can find doctor Pohemer talking young children, many
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  Speaker 2: of whom are approaching me today online wanting advice. Little
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  Speaker 2: children that are suddenly collapsing, bed bound, and they don't
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  Speaker 2: know why they were one dancers or singers and now
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  Speaker 2: they suddenly can't move, so my heart is to reach
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  Speaker 2: out to the whole community.
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  Speaker 3: Brilliant. No, that was really that was a really good
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  Speaker 3: summary of what all the aspects around me, because I
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  Speaker 3: think it is that type a personality. It's the obviously
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  Speaker 3: the trauma that's happened to your body at some point,
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  Speaker 3: and then you've got the toxic exposures. Often I saw
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  Speaker 3: you in your background. You'd had lots of antibiotics, lots
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  Speaker 3: of vaccines, you know, so all these different things that
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  Speaker 3: you know, then your body cannot deal with it, and
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  Speaker 3: there was some emotional trauma. But as you say, plenty
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  Speaker 3: of people don't collapse with the me. And it seems
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  Speaker 3: that this structural abnormality is the key that Raymond Perrien
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  Speaker 3: has unlocked. Now you mentioned because you slightly alluded to this,
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  Speaker 3: the sense that there's been a story hasn't there in
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  Speaker 3: the mainstream medical world that this is psychological and emmy
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  Speaker 3: patients have not only over decades had to deal with
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  Speaker 3: this catastrophic illness. I mean that leads you unable to work,
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  Speaker 3: It leads you unable to just do normal daily functions,
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  Speaker 3: or to enjoy life, or just to do and yet
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  Speaker 3: you look on the surface fairly normal, So it's been
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  Speaker 3: very easy for doctors to say, well, there's nothing wrong
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  Speaker 3: with you, and of course they do their tests and
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  Speaker 3: nothing shows up. And I wonder like at the point
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  Speaker 3: where you met Raymond Perrin, I think in your book
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  Speaker 3: it really came across how important it is to be believed,
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  Speaker 3: because you obviously had your partner who had me, so
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  Speaker 3: he was affirming that you have em and your best friend,
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  Speaker 3: I think was very supportive about what's her name, Sarah,
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  Speaker 3: Sarah Flanagan. But beyond that, you're often met with disbelief
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  Speaker 3: or this idea that oh, this is in your head
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  Speaker 3: or are you depressed? So talk a bit about, like this,
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  Speaker 3: how it felt when you had a medical professional Raymond
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  Speaker 3: parent actually affirmed to you that there is something seriously
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  Speaker 3: physically wrong with you and that he could understand what
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  Speaker 3: was going on. This was physical.
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  Speaker 2: Thank you, doctor. I think that's a really really great
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  Speaker 2: question for me personally, for my own GP, if you
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  Speaker 2: like to be just following the modality of the current
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  Speaker 2: system or the previous system prior to twenty twenty one,
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  Speaker 2: because now, of course emmy is a physical condition and
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  Speaker 2: the nice guidelines have been changed, which was my campaign
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  Speaker 2: through Parliament and many others alongside of me. But what's
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  Speaker 2: really important that I want to share is that when
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  Speaker 2: people look at the emotional and the psychological aspects, those
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  Speaker 2: parts of the brain which discussed earlier, the hypothalmus, they
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  Speaker 2: control emotions. So Dr Perrin explains succinctly that if you
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  Speaker 2: get toxins in the hypothalmis part of the brain then
• 21:11
  Speaker 2: and they cannot release, you've got neurotoxins building up a
• 21:17
  Speaker 2: high level of neurotoxins, which is what is created from
• 21:21
  Speaker 2: emotional stress. And he says it's not just stress from
• 21:26
  Speaker 2: running businesses or as yourself as a doctor, a high
• 21:29
  Speaker 2: achieving stress, it's also stress from adrenaline and excitement. So
• 21:34
  Speaker 2: that's really interesting to share because I was very excited
• 21:37
  Speaker 2: my whole life. I was a very happy person. So
• 21:42
  Speaker 2: that's so important to share, and that's why I have
• 21:45
  Speaker 2: in my book lots and lots of people who have
• 21:48
  Speaker 2: worked alongside me in the industry in entertainment, all affirming
• 21:53
  Speaker 2: and quantifying that Kathy was always laughing and always happy.
• 21:57
  Speaker 2: So you know, the stress of force was going on
• 22:00
  Speaker 2: stage and the adrenaline addiction, if you like, always trying
• 22:06
  Speaker 2: to be perfect racing around, running around. So stress isn't
• 22:09
  Speaker 2: just depression or anxiety, quite the opposite. But most important,
• 22:13
  Speaker 2: it's the neurotoxic build up that stress builds. And the
• 22:18
  Speaker 2: majority of patients only have stress and as their secondary
• 22:24
  Speaker 2: issue to the spine and cranium issues. So the majority
• 22:28
  Speaker 2: of patients do have emotional toxicity, but there's always a
• 22:31
  Speaker 2: structural issue precipitating that.
• 22:34
  Speaker 3: Yeah, And I thought it was interesting because you've said, oh,
• 22:37
  Speaker 3: it was a sudden collapse, but actually reading your book,
• 22:40
  Speaker 3: your health was not in a great way for all
• 22:43
  Speaker 3: through your twenties. I know you said at the age
• 22:45
  Speaker 3: of twenty you had no time to eat, drink, sleep,
• 22:49
  Speaker 3: or rest, but you had multiple symptoms which were escalating
• 22:54
  Speaker 3: all the time, inspirity, you were kept collapsing. And I
• 22:57
  Speaker 3: was reading this book thinking, you know, do you look
• 23:00
  Speaker 3: back and wonder how on earth you managed to keep
• 23:02
  Speaker 3: going for another twenty years at the pace that you
• 23:06
  Speaker 3: lived your life? I mean, I think it really your
• 23:09
  Speaker 3: book really brings out your incredible drive into determination. You
• 23:13
  Speaker 3: said the show must go on no matter what. You
• 23:17
  Speaker 3: somehow kept going even when you had health challenges. You know,
• 23:23
  Speaker 3: from your teams onwards. So do you look back now
• 23:25
  Speaker 3: and just think, how did I get through to thirty nine?
• 23:28
  Speaker 3: You know, how did my body not break earlier?
• 23:31
  Speaker 2: Yeah? Good, great question. I well, I had health issues
• 23:34
  Speaker 2: at doctor from the day I was born. My nanas
• 23:37
  Speaker 2: saved my life, rolled me across the floor. Lily Higginson,
• 23:41
  Speaker 2: she saved my life as a tiny baby. I turned
• 23:44
  Speaker 2: blue and she stuck my head under a cold tap
• 23:47
  Speaker 2: and I was only months old. So I take the
• 23:50
  Speaker 2: reader right back to the beginning because I think that's
• 23:52
  Speaker 2: so so important. So I would have been a cot death,
• 23:56
  Speaker 2: and once again that opens up the question of why.
• 23:59
  Speaker 2: So I asked reader to have a look at everything
• 24:01
  Speaker 2: that happened. My mother said that in nineteen seventy six,
• 24:05
  Speaker 2: especially living in the north in Lancashire, we were one
• 24:09
  Speaker 2: of very few people to get a telephone landline fitted
• 24:13
  Speaker 2: in nineteen seventy six because we kept having to be
• 24:17
  Speaker 2: you know, red lighted to hospital all through my baby
• 24:21
  Speaker 2: and young young years. Basically, so I was constantly sick
• 24:25
  Speaker 2: my whole life, twenty five years of ton soletis, every
• 24:29
  Speaker 2: three weeks at university, to the point where the doctor
• 24:32
  Speaker 2: said just lead the tablets on the front. If somebody
• 24:34
  Speaker 2: called Kathy Rings just give her the medicine. So the
• 24:37
  Speaker 2: point is, I feel in my journey that I am lucky,
• 24:44
  Speaker 2: as you said, I am so lucky to be alive.
• 24:47
  Speaker 2: Finding the balance is key, but understanding exactly why this happens.
• 24:54
  Speaker 2: So I, obviously, in Dr Perrin's view, had undiagnosed emmy
• 24:58
  Speaker 2: with a jaw misalignment from birth. I was then diagnosed
• 25:02
  Speaker 2: with vestibular damage, which is in a rear damage, which
• 25:06
  Speaker 2: I still have today. So these are the things that
• 25:10
  Speaker 2: can happen as secondary issues when the brain isn't draining
• 25:15
  Speaker 2: fluid properly and efficiently. So as soon as Dr Perrin
• 25:19
  Speaker 2: is an osteopath, realigned my jaw, I said, it feels
• 25:23
  Speaker 2: like a tap has been turned on in the top
• 25:26
  Speaker 2: of my head. And he said, only the most severe
• 25:30
  Speaker 2: cases can actually feel the fluid draining through the brain
• 25:34
  Speaker 2: and through the ears. And so the same thing happened
• 25:38
  Speaker 2: in my spine when he cracked the spine. Suddenly it
• 25:40
  Speaker 2: felt like a waterfall going up the spine. Isn't that incredible?
• 25:43
  Speaker 2: And only the people that have experienced it would be
• 25:46
  Speaker 2: able to share that understanding because most of us, most
• 25:49
  Speaker 2: healthy people can't feel it. But I want to also share.
• 25:54
  Speaker 2: I feel very, very lucky to be alive. I do,
• 25:57
  Speaker 2: and that's so import oughtan't to share because some people,
• 26:02
  Speaker 2: many people actually have suffered any sometimes from young childhood.
• 26:07
  Speaker 2: They've had sometimes forty years in bed, in the state
• 26:10
  Speaker 2: that I was in unable to move. I had two
• 26:14
  Speaker 2: years in and out of bed. Every time I crawled
• 26:17
  Speaker 2: or went anywhere, I would crash, and so it was
• 26:20
  Speaker 2: a constant pushing, crashing, pushing and crashing. And then, as
• 26:24
  Speaker 2: you said earlier, in twenty sixteen, I met everybody's hero,
• 26:28
  Speaker 2: which is doctor Raymond Perrin, and he sat opposite me
• 26:33
  Speaker 2: and he said, I believe you, and that, as you said,
• 26:37
  Speaker 2: that was all I needed because very very few people,
• 26:40
  Speaker 2: as you say, had believed me. My partner, Mark Singleton,
• 26:44
  Speaker 2: he was the opposite of my personality in terms of
• 26:48
  Speaker 2: he was into tai chi. He's a tai chi instructor,
• 26:51
  Speaker 2: he's a healer, he is into meditation, and he helped
• 26:56
  Speaker 2: me to learn these modalities in my healing. So it's
• 27:00
  Speaker 2: again two different people, one with big muscles a man,
• 27:04
  Speaker 2: and one petite little lady. How have we both got
• 27:08
  Speaker 2: the same condition if we physically look different, and the
• 27:12
  Speaker 2: combining finding from doctor Perrin is that we both have
• 27:17
  Speaker 2: a flat upper thoracic spine. So when we were both
• 27:20
  Speaker 2: weight training in the gym, for example, before our paths
• 27:24
  Speaker 2: came together, we were both pushing beyond the boundaries. And
• 27:29
  Speaker 2: as you quite rightly highlighted at the beginning, there's over
• 27:32
  Speaker 2: one hundred thousand toxins, so no two patients could possibly
• 27:36
  Speaker 2: be the same. So somebody who is exposed to carbon
• 27:41
  Speaker 2: monoxide and paint fumes, because if you'd stood still long enough,
• 27:44
  Speaker 2: I'd a painted. Yet. I was somebody that painted my
• 27:48
  Speaker 2: entire home and it's quite large, and all the garden fences,
• 27:52
  Speaker 2: so I didn't know that that in itself is highly toxic.
• 27:56
  Speaker 2: Now to a healthy person, of course, they can drain
• 27:59
  Speaker 2: those toxins. They might get a bit woozy after exposure
• 28:02
  Speaker 2: to paint, but eventually the body will drain it. In
• 28:05
  Speaker 2: my case, as you read at the end, I said,
• 28:08
  Speaker 2: the detoxification was like Mary Poppins's handbag. There was so
• 28:12
  Speaker 2: much poison to come out. I was expecting a lamp
• 28:15
  Speaker 2: shet to come out next. It was just an incredible
• 28:18
  Speaker 2: detop And eight years, every single week of having my
• 28:22
  Speaker 2: brain drained is testament to my belief system in this treatment. Now,
• 28:28
  Speaker 2: I do want to highlight that I did also implement
• 28:32
  Speaker 2: strong diet strategies, including work from Dr Sarah Myhill, who
• 28:38
  Speaker 2: is wonderful. She's coming on my podcast soon in the
• 28:43
  Speaker 2: next series that's about to be released, and she highlights
• 28:46
  Speaker 2: the importance of gluten free, sugar free, dairy free, and
• 28:51
  Speaker 2: also no alcohol. I mean I interestingly, I couldn't drink
• 28:55
  Speaker 2: alcohol and I neither could Mark without getting sick. And
• 28:58
  Speaker 2: Dr Perry explained the in me, the NMDA receptors in
• 29:03
  Speaker 2: the brain are already fast firing, so if you then
• 29:07
  Speaker 2: put alcohol into the system, you are then creating an
• 29:11
  Speaker 2: even bigger torrent of the fight or flight system. And
• 29:16
  Speaker 2: the sympathetic nervous system controls the lymphatic system, so the
• 29:20
  Speaker 2: lymphatic system is then triggered by stress or alcohol or
• 29:26
  Speaker 2: excitement or chemicals. So that is why. And if the
• 29:31
  Speaker 2: lymph is draining backs and forwards constantly, then that means
• 29:36
  Speaker 2: everything is swooshing upwards and down, including blood. Would you
• 29:42
  Speaker 2: believe in women, So that is why often blood flow
• 29:46
  Speaker 2: goes up and sometimes Dodor Perrin has said, into the
• 29:48
  Speaker 2: lungs and you can get clotting, which is what I had,
• 29:52
  Speaker 2: which is which means that anything sticky that I eat,
• 29:56
  Speaker 2: such as fruit sticks inside and the system my left
• 29:59
  Speaker 2: kid me would you believe, has completely gone thanks to
• 30:02
  Speaker 2: the drainage mechanism now working more efficiently.
• 30:06
  Speaker 3: Brilliant and well, I sort of want to move on
• 30:08
  Speaker 3: to your campaigning because you know, despite the fact, I
• 30:12
  Speaker 3: know you haven't fully recovered yet, but you've become a
• 30:15
  Speaker 3: real warrior for EMY. You've become an EMMY ambassador, and
• 30:19
  Speaker 3: I know you've managed to get Raymond Parent on board,
• 30:24
  Speaker 3: and together you've managed to implement some massive changes, not
• 30:29
  Speaker 3: least the changing of the nice gridelines. Do you want
• 30:31
  Speaker 3: to just talk a little bit about that sort of
• 30:33
  Speaker 3: campaigning you've done, and how you've been lobbying MPs and
• 30:36
  Speaker 3: what you were aiming to do and what you were
• 30:38
  Speaker 3: aiming to achieve and what you have achieved.
• 30:41
  Speaker 2: Thank you for that lovely analogy. There. I basically in
• 30:46
  Speaker 2: twenty sixteen, as soon as I found Dr Perrin, I said,
• 30:49
  Speaker 2: you make sense. I mean, I couldn't speak properly. I
• 30:52
  Speaker 2: was flopped over a wheelchair dribbling, but I thought I
• 30:55
  Speaker 2: was saying, you make perfect sense. And he remembers it
• 30:58
  Speaker 2: better than I do because it was a very difficult time.
• 31:01
  Speaker 2: But basically straight after that I was straight on the
• 31:04
  Speaker 2: phone to my MP and I wrote emails I think
• 31:08
  Speaker 2: every single day, almost so my MP was Sir Ben Wallace,
• 31:14
  Speaker 2: who was the looking after Lancashire, which was the ex
• 31:19
  Speaker 2: Defense Minister. He came straight to my home, I have
• 31:22
  Speaker 2: to say, because I couldn't go to his local cabinet.
• 31:28
  Speaker 2: I went straight. He came straight to my house in
• 31:30
  Speaker 2: Lancashire and he believed me. So he was one of
• 31:33
  Speaker 2: the first people. And he said, you're the first constituent
• 31:36
  Speaker 2: of mine to broach this subject and with m me
• 31:42
  Speaker 2: to be such a big campaigner. And I said, if
• 31:45
  Speaker 2: a man at the time for nearly thirty years has
• 31:48
  Speaker 2: been treating and diagnosing this condition with success, it makes
• 31:54
  Speaker 2: perfect sense that doctor Raymond Perrin knows what he's talking about,
• 31:58
  Speaker 2: because that would make sense to me. So I couldn't
• 32:01
  Speaker 2: understand why his work wasn't already in the Nice guidelines.
• 32:06
  Speaker 2: What I then unpacked was in twenty ten Theme Association
• 32:10
  Speaker 2: published an article which I've put in my book as well,
• 32:14
  Speaker 2: that said that a patient survey showed that in Theme
• 32:19
  Speaker 2: Associate Association website under doctor Charles Shephard. First that was
• 32:25
  Speaker 2: the most beneficial to patient recovery. First was rest, then pacing,
• 32:30
  Speaker 2: and third was Dr Raymond Perrin. That's third in a
• 32:35
  Speaker 2: long list of strategies and approaches to health and healing.
• 32:40
  Speaker 2: So that is really, really profound. So I'm hoping that
• 32:43
  Speaker 2: Theme Association can reflect on that and hopefully bring doctor
• 32:48
  Speaker 2: Perrin into their work ahead as well. There's a lot
• 32:51
  Speaker 2: of me groups out there that we want to get
• 32:55
  Speaker 2: involved so that we saved lives, because that's my mission.
• 32:59
  Speaker 2: I knew that it was the most chronic pain to
• 33:02
  Speaker 2: be in to collapse as I did. It felt like
• 33:05
  Speaker 2: I've been set on fire and crushed with a concrete slab.
• 33:08
  Speaker 2: No human being should ever suffer for years in that
• 33:12
  Speaker 2: level of pain. And I believe now that with my mission,
• 33:17
  Speaker 2: as you said, to campaign through parliament, I wanted to
• 33:21
  Speaker 2: get it very clear, which is why I've told my
• 33:23
  Speaker 2: story that I was not a lazy housewife because I'm
• 33:27
  Speaker 2: not married and I was not a sure I did
• 33:32
  Speaker 2: everything myself to the point of, you know, now I
• 33:36
  Speaker 2: am learning to you know, to give other people jobs
• 33:39
  Speaker 2: to do because I can't do them. Now, but I
• 33:42
  Speaker 2: was somebody who was very self sufficient, like you say,
• 33:45
  Speaker 2: TYPEI like yourself. But mister Wallace, I have to say,
• 33:49
  Speaker 2: and Zoe Dommitt, who was his pa, they were by
• 33:54
  Speaker 2: my side throughout with my mission, and I went with
• 33:57
  Speaker 2: Dr Perry into Parliament against dotor Pein's advice because I
• 34:01
  Speaker 2: clapsed on the steps just after our media photograph. I
• 34:05
  Speaker 2: literally clapsed on the steps next to mister Wallace, and
• 34:08
  Speaker 2: he could see firsthand that all the effort of just
• 34:11
  Speaker 2: getting on a train, that's all I did, caused me.
• 34:15
  Speaker 2: When I got home, I had to be carried off
• 34:17
  Speaker 2: the train, which Mark Singleton, my partner, carried me off
• 34:20
  Speaker 2: and I actually was rushed in an ambulance straight to hospital.
• 34:23
  Speaker 2: So this just from getting on a train. But I
• 34:27
  Speaker 2: knew that my mission would be worth it. And after
• 34:29
  Speaker 2: that the suffering, as we've described, it's not what you do,
• 34:32
  Speaker 2: it's what happens after. But mister Wallace gave us two
• 34:35
  Speaker 2: hours of his time it's normally one, and Zoe Dommitt
• 34:40
  Speaker 2: was present as well. But because there's a lot of electricity, light,
• 34:44
  Speaker 2: sound and high stimuli which I suffer with, in particular
• 34:49
  Speaker 2: in the Parliament building, it didn't take long for my
• 34:52
  Speaker 2: arm to shake, as still happens today, and then my
• 34:55
  Speaker 2: legs buckled. So obviously between mister Wallace, I had one
• 35:00
  Speaker 2: on linked on each Dr Perry and mister Wallace, and
• 35:02
  Speaker 2: they dragged me out of the front very respectfully, and
• 35:07
  Speaker 2: that's what I wanted to do. I wanted to show.
• 35:10
  Speaker 2: I thought, if he sees this and what actually happens,
• 35:13
  Speaker 2: and he sees a very positive human being who loves
• 35:17
  Speaker 2: dancing and singing, and I can't wait to get my
• 35:19
  Speaker 2: career back. That's been my oxygen, you know. So I
• 35:23
  Speaker 2: love working and being active and of course all those
• 35:28
  Speaker 2: things were taken from me for eleven years. So I hope,
• 35:33
  Speaker 2: I hoped in my mission that I could prove this
• 35:35
  Speaker 2: is not psychosomatic in any way, shape or form. I'm
• 35:38
  Speaker 2: not anxious. The week before I collapsed, I was doing
• 35:42
  Speaker 2: a stand up comedy show in the Army Barracks and
• 35:44
  Speaker 2: I jumped off the front of the stage. And then
• 35:47
  Speaker 2: I also was not depressed. I was extremely happy and excitable,
• 35:53
  Speaker 2: and mister Wallace, I have to say, supported me, as
• 35:55
  Speaker 2: did Zoe Domit throughout my mission and in twenty twenty one,
• 36:00
  Speaker 2: in fact, three months after we went to Parliament. The
• 36:04
  Speaker 2: NICE Guidelines were then discussed and mister Wallace sent some
• 36:08
  Speaker 2: documentation including all of my emails to the Health Minister
• 36:13
  Speaker 2: and other MPs as well who had reached out to
• 36:17
  Speaker 2: and the NICE Guidelines were then on the market for
• 36:20
  Speaker 2: being changed, and of course, as we know in twenty
• 36:22
  Speaker 2: twenty one, they were changed, and I felt, oh, it
• 36:26
  Speaker 2: was the best sort of outcome in medical history for
• 36:30
  Speaker 2: what one hundred years, many people before me campaigning as well,
• 36:34
  Speaker 2: and alongside me. Of course, I did not do this
• 36:37
  Speaker 2: all on my own, not by any stretch of the imagination.
• 36:40
  Speaker 2: But Dr Perring got to tell mister Wallace all about
• 36:44
  Speaker 2: his work, and we hoped that Dr Perrin's a to diagnostic,
• 36:51
  Speaker 2: which was mister Wallace's mission as well. We hoped that
• 36:53
  Speaker 2: that would end up on the guidelines, and we're still
• 36:56
  Speaker 2: hoping that today.
• 36:58
  Speaker 3: That was a massive achievement and I'm say well done
• 37:01
  Speaker 3: for that on behalf of a whole met community. And
• 37:04
  Speaker 3: I just want to bring in Diane, I'm done. I'm
• 37:06
  Speaker 3: sure you've got lots of questions.
• 37:08
  Speaker 1: I guess I would like to as well use some
• 37:10
  Speaker 1: of this time to address the larger, broader picture of
• 37:15
  Speaker 1: chronic illness, chronic conditions as someone who as far as
• 37:21
  Speaker 1: I know, I don't have me but I have. For example,
• 37:24
  Speaker 1: I've had ymetriosis for well, you know, for most of
• 37:28
  Speaker 1: my life. I wasn't diagnosed until I was twenty one,
• 37:31
  Speaker 1: but I was six since I was twelve, And I've
• 37:36
  Speaker 1: found that sort of western medicine has not been an
• 37:40
  Speaker 1: answer in a lot of cases for me. It's made
• 37:42
  Speaker 1: things worse rather than made things better. I've you know,
• 37:46
  Speaker 1: tried different types of alternative medicine. I've tried acupuncture. I
• 37:49
  Speaker 1: currently see an osteopath. I've tried massages, I've tried a
• 37:54
  Speaker 1: lot of different things, energy medicine, which I practice myself.
• 37:59
  Speaker 1: But I I guess there's a lot of people out there,
• 38:02
  Speaker 1: and I know that a lot of our viewers at
• 38:04
  Speaker 1: UK column have their own health conditions or have friends
• 38:08
  Speaker 1: or family members that they care about who do have
• 38:10
  Speaker 1: health conditions. And of course there's the vaccine injured who
• 38:13
  Speaker 1: are dealing with a range of issues right now. So
• 38:17
  Speaker 1: I'm just wondering if me we can have a little
• 38:19
  Speaker 1: bit of discussion for awareness for different kinds of things
• 38:24
  Speaker 1: that we all different people deal with. And I think
• 38:27
  Speaker 1: you know, speaking from a personal perspective, it's difficult when
• 38:31
  Speaker 1: you have what's sometimes called, you know, unseen conditions, if
• 38:36
  Speaker 1: that's kind of a word. It's kind of unusual word,
• 38:38
  Speaker 1: but it's sort of like we have things going on
• 38:41
  Speaker 1: inside of ourselves that nobody sees, and so they expect
• 38:44
  Speaker 1: us to be like, oh, I think we mentioned that earlier,
• 38:46
  Speaker 1: sort of like, oh, you look fine, so what's wrong
• 38:48
  Speaker 1: with you? Why can't you show up to where can
• 38:51
  Speaker 1: do everything like you're supposed to do. What's your problem?
• 38:53
  Speaker 1: And then they think it's all on your head because
• 38:55
  Speaker 1: it's not visible. So I'm just wondering, you know, I'm
• 39:00
  Speaker 1: really interested in the vaccine injury issue and also the
• 39:04
  Speaker 1: possibility of what people are labeling as long COVID, if
• 39:08
  Speaker 1: that might be something that is you know, whether it
• 39:11
  Speaker 1: can be classified as either or some other sort of
• 39:13
  Speaker 1: ongoing condition. So I'd be interested to hear from both
• 39:17
  Speaker 1: of you if we can maybe breach this discussion out
• 39:20
  Speaker 1: a bit more, just to help as many people as possible,
• 39:23
  Speaker 1: so not just those with me, but those who are
• 39:25
  Speaker 1: living with lots of things that are very debilitating. Liz,
• 39:29
  Speaker 1: do you have any thoughts on that.
• 39:30
  Speaker 3: With my experience of amy as soon as there was COVID,
• 39:33
  Speaker 3: and then people were talking about long COVID. To me,
• 39:36
  Speaker 3: what they were describing was me chronic t syndrome, post
• 39:40
  Speaker 3: viral syndrome. This is you know, a classic trigger for me.
• 39:44
  Speaker 3: So and in a sense, it's a bit of a
• 39:48
  Speaker 3: shame it's been labeled something different because actually, I think,
• 39:52
  Speaker 3: you know it, finally the world woke up to post
• 39:56
  Speaker 3: viral syndromes with long COVID, but then the people with
• 39:59
  Speaker 3: me were weren't being sort of they've been ignored for
• 40:03
  Speaker 3: years and years, and then suddenly the long COVID people
• 40:05
  Speaker 3: get you know, clinics especially, but actually they have you know,
• 40:11
  Speaker 3: we need to bring this together because it's all part
• 40:15
  Speaker 3: of the same syndrome and probably the same approaches, you know,
• 40:19
  Speaker 3: and having research into the interlong COVID or from me,
• 40:23
  Speaker 3: you can bring it all together to help everybody. So
• 40:27
  Speaker 3: I don't know what Kathy's thought is on that, but
• 40:30
  Speaker 3: I and again then with the vaccine injury, I think
• 40:34
  Speaker 3: that's causing a similar sort of catastrophic, multi systemic inflammatory
• 40:41
  Speaker 3: toxic illness. So I think all of these things are linked,
• 40:46
  Speaker 3: and just because they've got different triggers doesn't mean they're not,
• 40:49
  Speaker 3: you know, under the same umbrella.
• 40:51
  Speaker 2: Would you agree, Kathy, Yes, thank you, Doctor Liz. I
• 40:55
  Speaker 2: do wholeheartedly agree. In fact, Dr Poene's second book is
• 41:00
  Speaker 2: about long COVID and post vaccine syndrome, so he's the
• 41:04
  Speaker 2: expert on this, but he does call it and theme
• 41:09
  Speaker 2: community call it long COVID forward slash me, which is
• 41:12
  Speaker 2: quite interesting because, like yourself, as soon as I saw
• 41:16
  Speaker 2: people suddenly collapsing in twenty twenty, I was then wringing
• 41:20
  Speaker 2: people from the BBC or anybody that I saw collapse
• 41:23
  Speaker 2: because I was obviously still in bed, and I continued
• 41:27
  Speaker 2: by campaign and I'd say, you look like me. You've
• 41:29
  Speaker 2: got what I've got, you know. So it was very
• 41:32
  Speaker 2: hard for me to unpack that this was obviously something
• 41:36
  Speaker 2: potentially different but with overlapping symptoms, and I think that's
• 41:40
  Speaker 2: so important. It doesn't really matter what the disease name is.
• 41:45
  Speaker 3: To me.
• 41:46
  Speaker 2: What matters, and what always mattered was how to save lives.
• 41:50
  Speaker 2: So if we have, as Diane very beautifully expressed, if
• 41:56
  Speaker 2: we have other underlying health conditions, then perhaps Dr Raymond
• 42:01
  Speaker 2: Perrin's treatment alongside a healthy diet and other healing modalities
• 42:07
  Speaker 2: would also be beneficial to everybody, which I wouldn't doubt,
• 42:13
  Speaker 2: And that's so important. Obviously, that's Emmy and now long
• 42:18
  Speaker 2: COVID and post vaccine syndrome are his specialist areas, and
• 42:22
  Speaker 2: fibromyalgia of course. But what's important is could other people benefit?
• 42:27
  Speaker 2: And I believe wholeheartedly that they absolutely could so very often,
• 42:32
  Speaker 2: just to reflect with Diane, there very often, if we,
• 42:36
  Speaker 2: for example, have a spine misalignment, we might lean to
• 42:41
  Speaker 2: one side for example, and you know when you stood
• 42:44
  Speaker 2: in a bank or something and you're suddenly aware that
• 42:47
  Speaker 2: you're leaning to one side, something I used to do,
• 42:50
  Speaker 2: And what DoD Perrin does, You see restructures the alignment
• 42:53
  Speaker 2: of the spine so I sit more straight now. I
• 42:57
  Speaker 2: was very much leaning to one side because there was
• 43:00
  Speaker 2: a misalignment there. So wouldn't that be interesting that if
• 43:04
  Speaker 2: we could perhaps and this was something I wanted to
• 43:07
  Speaker 2: campaign through parliament about, maybe we could do tests on
• 43:11
  Speaker 2: children like I had in school, but have a look
• 43:14
  Speaker 2: for pre diagnostic signs in children of these structural issues
• 43:20
  Speaker 2: which were evident when I shared my own story, you know,
• 43:24
  Speaker 2: when I was told to touch my toes and I
• 43:26
  Speaker 2: could get my elbows onto the floor. So these are
• 43:29
  Speaker 2: the things that are very, very important, And you're right,
• 43:32
  Speaker 2: endometriosis is often a secondary symptom of ME. And again
• 43:36
  Speaker 2: if Dr Perrine's explanation of the blood flow pumping backwards
• 43:40
  Speaker 2: under high stress or a structural issue compressing and not
• 43:44
  Speaker 2: allowing the drainage mechanism to work succinctly, endometriosis is also
• 43:49
  Speaker 2: potentially blood flow that's coming upwards and potentially into different
• 43:54
  Speaker 2: parts of the body, and so that's really important to
• 43:58
  Speaker 2: highlight as well. So yeah, there's lots and lots of
• 44:01
  Speaker 2: different symptoms that overlap. And in the past EMI was
• 44:05
  Speaker 2: called once called yuppie flu, and my mum said, well,
• 44:09
  Speaker 2: it didn't come to Lancashire because we're not push enough.
• 44:13
  Speaker 2: So I would assume that EMI, which is inflammation of
• 44:18
  Speaker 2: the brain and spinal cord, it has to be both.
• 44:20
  Speaker 2: So it's my algic and kefalo my ltus. And in
• 44:24
  Speaker 2: your worst state of this condition, I say, if you
• 44:28
  Speaker 2: can say it, you've not got it. So fancy giving
• 44:31
  Speaker 2: people that can't speak a disease called my algac and
• 44:33
  Speaker 2: kefalo my lightis So yeah, it's probably better to say
• 44:38
  Speaker 2: I've got anxiety, you can say that, but most important
• 44:42
  Speaker 2: is to educate people that absolutely, first of all, like
• 44:46
  Speaker 2: a tree, if we see our body like a tree,
• 44:48
  Speaker 2: if the structure in any way, shape or form is
• 44:51
  Speaker 2: misaligned from a blow to the head, a car crash.
• 44:55
  Speaker 2: So I was punched on the way to school when
• 44:59
  Speaker 2: I was thirteen for no reason. It was somebody who
• 45:02
  Speaker 2: didn't know me, an easy target because I was petite,
• 45:06
  Speaker 2: so she just punched my friend and the next day
• 45:09
  Speaker 2: punched me on the nose and broke my nose. I
• 45:12
  Speaker 2: didn't know it was broken, but it did shatter blood
• 45:15
  Speaker 2: all over her, so it was pretty obvious. But I
• 45:17
  Speaker 2: didn't know my whole life. So I then went through
• 45:20
  Speaker 2: my whole life with a misaligned jaw, a broken nose,
• 45:24
  Speaker 2: and mouth breathing because I was hyperventilating not enough oxygen.
• 45:30
  Speaker 2: Then obviously you know, as you've just said, all the
• 45:33
  Speaker 2: medication for all these different symptomologies, and it's important to share. Today.
• 45:38
  Speaker 2: A lot of people ask me this, what's the significance
• 45:41
  Speaker 2: of the neck and recurrent tonsilitis, which is what I got.
• 45:45
  Speaker 2: And the significance is that the main lymph nodes, the
• 45:50
  Speaker 2: main body, the largest amount of lymph nodes are in
• 45:53
  Speaker 2: the neck, and I had that quantifive with Dr Perrin
• 45:57
  Speaker 2: in America last week, just to make sure that I
• 46:00
  Speaker 2: shared that correctly. So your main body of lymph nose
• 46:03
  Speaker 2: is in the neck area. Hence why if your drainage
• 46:06
  Speaker 2: isn't working, you're going to get recurrent tonsalitis. I have
• 46:10
  Speaker 2: never had tonsalitis since dor Perrin's treatment. I've never had
• 46:15
  Speaker 2: a common cold in a pandemic. I have never because
• 46:21
  Speaker 2: I had a succession of flu like symptoms from the
• 46:25
  Speaker 2: day I started Dodor Perrin's treatment, and actually my whole life,
• 46:29
  Speaker 2: I was constantly you know, the nasal drip and constantly sick,
• 46:32
  Speaker 2: and I actually went blind twice. In my recovery my
• 46:38
  Speaker 2: sound I had to have blackout curtains and ear defenders.
• 46:43
  Speaker 2: It was so acute that it was just unlivable and unbearable,
• 46:47
  Speaker 2: and I had what I call like explosions in my
• 46:50
  Speaker 2: head where I would jolt awaken things. So there was obviously,
• 46:54
  Speaker 2: it seems the drainage of the brain when it isn't
• 46:58
  Speaker 2: flowing properly and it's backflowing in the skull as well
• 47:02
  Speaker 2: as the spine and all over. Obviously, you're going to
• 47:05
  Speaker 2: get all of these very interesting symptoms. Also, it's important
• 47:12
  Speaker 2: to say if you cry a lot, brilliant because that
• 47:16
  Speaker 2: means your drainage mechanism is working. When I cried, it
• 47:20
  Speaker 2: would burn my eyes, and we now know that it
• 47:23
  Speaker 2: was so many chemicals that were coming from the eyes.
• 47:26
  Speaker 2: Dr Perry explains that the drainage of the brain, the
• 47:28
  Speaker 2: glymphatic system goes down the skull, past the eyes, down
• 47:33
  Speaker 2: the nose, through the ears, and down the throat. And
• 47:37
  Speaker 2: so obviously if that is misaligned by the neck as
• 47:41
  Speaker 2: we said, or any structural issues, the drainage mechanism isn't
• 47:46
  Speaker 2: going to be excreting those toxins efficiently.
• 47:50
  Speaker 1: I just want to throw some different ideas out there
• 47:53
  Speaker 1: because these are things that viewers will be aware of
• 47:56
  Speaker 1: who actually k Carleum frequently. Is that if you watch,
• 47:59
  Speaker 1: for example, doctor Sam Bailey's interview that she did with
• 48:02
  Speaker 1: Charles Mallett recently on the idea of viruses and whether
• 48:08
  Speaker 1: or not a virus is actually a virus in the
• 48:10
  Speaker 1: way that most people think of it, that there might
• 48:13
  Speaker 1: just be a detoxing process happening that you don't and
• 48:17
  Speaker 1: this kind of what you said Catherine without being a
• 48:19
  Speaker 1: scientist or knowing the details behind it, the science behind it.
• 48:23
  Speaker 1: The way doctor Sam Bailey does is that I'm wondering
• 48:26
  Speaker 1: if there is more to that that we need to
• 48:29
  Speaker 1: learn how to understand that a virus is not something
• 48:33
  Speaker 1: that goes from person to person.
• 48:34
  Speaker 2: It is something that.
• 48:35
  Speaker 1: Your body can have things in it that it needs
• 48:38
  Speaker 1: to get rid of, and then you have the symptoms
• 48:39
  Speaker 1: and you feel bad. But if you're saying that your
• 48:42
  Speaker 1: brain got drained, if that's the right way to say it,
• 48:45
  Speaker 1: and you're no longer having sore throats, you're no longer
• 48:49
  Speaker 1: having running noses, that maybe it is actually a detox
• 48:52
  Speaker 1: process and not a so called virus during a so
• 48:56
  Speaker 1: called pandemic, which a lot of UK column viewers do
• 49:00
  Speaker 1: question whether or not that was really a thing. So
• 49:03
  Speaker 1: I just wanted to throw that out there that you
• 49:05
  Speaker 1: kind of confirmed. The way that I tend to believe
• 49:07
  Speaker 1: is that there was no virus in twenty twenty and
• 49:10
  Speaker 1: that we do have to find other ways to keep
• 49:12
  Speaker 1: ourselves healthy because there are different things that because what
• 49:16
  Speaker 1: happens to us when we don't feel well.
• 49:18
  Speaker 3: Journey of recovery sort of having been a conventional medic
• 49:22
  Speaker 3: who took multiple antabolytics, multiple vaccines. Obviously a vaccine triggered
• 49:26
  Speaker 3: my emmy, and I very quickly realized that there was
• 49:32
  Speaker 3: nothing western medicine could offer me to get better. And
• 49:35
  Speaker 3: I was not prepared at the age of twenty five
• 49:38
  Speaker 3: twenty six for my life to be over. I wanted
• 49:40
  Speaker 3: to be able to work again, to be able to
• 49:42
  Speaker 3: play sport again, to be able to have a family.
• 49:44
  Speaker 3: You know, I've got four children now, which I'm very
• 49:47
  Speaker 3: blessed to have. So I realized you need a paradigm shift.
• 49:52
  Speaker 3: You've got to stop looking at symptoms, because symptoms are
• 49:56
  Speaker 3: usually actually your body's attempt to get better. So we
• 50:00
  Speaker 3: shouldn't be at war with our symptoms. I think often
• 50:04
  Speaker 3: Western medicine sees us as war, at war with our
• 50:07
  Speaker 3: own bodies, at war with our own immune systems. You know, automunity,
• 50:11
  Speaker 3: your body's not working properly. But actually if you get
• 50:15
  Speaker 3: below that and actually really go down to root causes
• 50:18
  Speaker 3: and recognize that given the right ingredients, so that the
• 50:22
  Speaker 3: nutrition that's going in the right environment, so taking away
• 50:26
  Speaker 3: the toxins from your environment and the stresses which are
• 50:29
  Speaker 3: causing disease, and just you know any lot. You know structural,
• 50:35
  Speaker 3: you know, malalignments, correcting those, basically getting your body, you know,
• 50:40
  Speaker 3: from a holistic perspective as optimal as possible. You know,
• 50:45
  Speaker 3: if you have had psychological terrible traumas, then deal with
• 50:49
  Speaker 3: that as well. Because we are you know, mind, body, soul,
• 50:51
  Speaker 3: we're all kind of together. Then actually our body has
• 50:54
  Speaker 3: an incredible ability to heal and repair, and that's what
• 50:59
  Speaker 3: we can loud to happen. So you know, I now
• 51:02
  Speaker 3: treat people with all sorts of chronic diseases, including me,
• 51:06
  Speaker 3: but I never say that I'm getting them better. I
• 51:09
  Speaker 3: help their body to heal itself. And that's what we've got.
• 51:13
  Speaker 3: It's a total. So I'm then not treating an illness.
• 51:16
  Speaker 3: So people, would you know, come to me and say, oh,
• 51:18
  Speaker 3: can you treat sea the act disease or can you
• 51:21
  Speaker 3: treat me? And I'm like, I'm not treating an illness.
• 51:24
  Speaker 3: I'm treating your body and all the things in your
• 51:28
  Speaker 3: body that are suboptimal at the moment. And once we
• 51:31
  Speaker 3: can correct them all, then your body will be able
• 51:34
  Speaker 3: to do the thing it was designed to do, which
• 51:36
  Speaker 3: is to heal and repair. And so I think, you know,
• 51:39
  Speaker 3: so what you say about viruses. Yeah, I mean, we
• 51:43
  Speaker 3: certainly have respiratory illnesses that appear to spread. But you know,
• 51:47
  Speaker 3: I quite like doctor Zach Bush's idea that these are
• 51:51
  Speaker 3: actually our bodies adapting to toxic environments or responding to toxes,
• 51:57
  Speaker 3: and they can make us sick, and sometimes the adaptation
• 52:00
  Speaker 3: can actually kill you. But it's not that you're being
• 52:03
  Speaker 3: attacked from outside. It's actually something in your body that's
• 52:07
  Speaker 3: having to be tried to be healed. So yeah, I
• 52:11
  Speaker 3: think often we go, you know, when you have a
• 52:13
  Speaker 3: fever that is actually going to you know, deal with
• 52:18
  Speaker 3: whatever you're being infected by, for example, So the worst
• 52:21
  Speaker 3: thing you can do is take a paracetamol to reduce
• 52:23
  Speaker 3: your fever. I always say, it's like you wouldn't send
• 52:26
  Speaker 3: your children into a boxing ring without gloves on, or
• 52:30
  Speaker 3: with their hands tied behind their backs, which is effectively
• 52:33
  Speaker 3: the minute you lwer a fever to remove the body's
• 52:36
  Speaker 3: ability to fight infection. So all of these things we
• 52:42
  Speaker 3: see the wrong, We attack the wrong things, We try
• 52:45
  Speaker 3: to correct the wrong things, but don't see what's driving
• 52:48
  Speaker 3: it and actually recognize that it's you know, if we
• 52:51
  Speaker 3: can make the soil right, then the germ is kind
• 52:54
  Speaker 3: of immaterial.
• 52:56
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that's really important what you've just shared
• 52:59
  Speaker 2: as well, because the most important thing is that the
• 53:03
  Speaker 2: lymphatic system, which is congested and you know, running backs
• 53:10
  Speaker 2: and forwards inmy patients and fibro patients, that is detoxifying
• 53:17
  Speaker 2: large toxins. That's what doctor Perrin has highlighted for me
• 53:21
  Speaker 2: to share today that the lymph and glymphatic system. His
• 53:25
  Speaker 2: specialist area is the drainage of the brain. Now, he
• 53:28
  Speaker 2: predicted in nineteen ninety five ninety six in his PhD
• 53:32
  Speaker 2: thesis that there was a glymphatic system because there was
• 53:36
  Speaker 2: one in dogs and monkeys and rats, so he said
• 53:40
  Speaker 2: there has to be one in the human brain. So
• 53:43
  Speaker 2: this for me was the one connecting factor that brought
• 53:47
  Speaker 2: the whole community together, the glymphatic system, the inefficient drainage
• 53:51
  Speaker 2: of the brain, and that particular area. He said, the
• 53:55
  Speaker 2: lymphatic system is responsible, if I've got this right, for
• 53:59
  Speaker 2: a moving fifty percent of toxins. They remove large molecules.
• 54:04
  Speaker 2: So he explains that the blood removes small molecules. So
• 54:09
  Speaker 2: if the lymph is congested, eventually you get what's called
• 54:12
  Speaker 2: baricus lymph which you can have a look at on
• 54:15
  Speaker 2: your own body, so men and women can get baricus limph.
• 54:19
  Speaker 2: So in my case it was at the top of
• 54:21
  Speaker 2: my thighs and also under my armpits, and it looks
• 54:25
  Speaker 2: like baricus veins which are blue, but they are actually white.
• 54:30
  Speaker 2: And if your lymph becomes so congested and then you
• 54:34
  Speaker 2: put more toxins into the body to have to perhaps
• 54:38
  Speaker 2: kill said infection or whatever the modality has been, then
• 54:43
  Speaker 2: you are you're building the body up with more and
• 54:45
  Speaker 2: more toxicity that it is unable to detoxify efficiently. And
• 54:50
  Speaker 2: you've got to get the system, doctor Perrin said pumping
• 54:54
  Speaker 2: the right way. So standardbopathy, standard osteopathy is not benefit
• 55:00
  Speaker 2: to me because with doctor Perrin's Perin technique, the majority
• 55:06
  Speaker 2: of the lymph is in the breast tissue in men
• 55:10
  Speaker 2: and women of course, and the sides of the spine,
• 55:13
  Speaker 2: which is the upper back. So the breast tissue, the
• 55:16
  Speaker 2: upper back, and the tummy are the main areas of
• 55:20
  Speaker 2: lymphatic drainage. That's the main areas of where the large
• 55:24
  Speaker 2: molecules are being removed. Hence why we all have IBS
• 55:28
  Speaker 2: symptoms because they build up and then they congest and
• 55:32
  Speaker 2: if they are not all detoxifying efficiently. Then of course
• 55:35
  Speaker 2: you're going to get a build up of these toxins.
• 55:38
  Speaker 2: Which where are they going to go. They're going to
• 55:40
  Speaker 2: pump backwards, and they're going to go in a circle.
• 55:43
  Speaker 2: And when you do the Perent technique, often as he's
• 55:46
  Speaker 2: pumping the system, the toxins still have to go in
• 55:49
  Speaker 2: a circle. So halfway through one of the treatments when
• 55:52
  Speaker 2: I got home, the toxins were coming past my eyes,
• 55:55
  Speaker 2: and of course I lost my sight because the toxins
• 55:59
  Speaker 2: are traveling past the eyes, which could explain why we
• 56:03
  Speaker 2: can't see, you know, and if they go into the ears,
• 56:06
  Speaker 2: it could explain why we can't hear. Because my hearing
• 56:09
  Speaker 2: was like hyperacusis, so my sound was affected because of
• 56:13
  Speaker 2: the toxin stuck inside the inner ear drum, and I
• 56:18
  Speaker 2: was also don't forget on stage. I find a lot
• 56:20
  Speaker 2: of entertainers working under high levels of electricity are really
• 56:26
  Speaker 2: suffering because imagine an electric current constantly on stage going
• 56:32
  Speaker 2: through your brain. You know that's not going to be
• 56:36
  Speaker 2: healthy for anybody to have that level of sound.
• 56:39
  Speaker 1: Kathy, this has sounded really interesting, but of course doctor
• 56:42
  Speaker 1: paren has only one man, and you get him once
• 56:45
  Speaker 1: a week and some of us have never seen him
• 56:47
  Speaker 1: one time. So is there another way or other options
• 56:50
  Speaker 1: that we have to receive the treatments that he offers,
• 56:54
  Speaker 1: or to at least learn about them.
• 56:56
  Speaker 2: Absolutely. Doctor Perrin also has his own book called The
• 57:00
  Speaker 2: Perin Technique by Dr Raymond Perrin, and of course the
• 57:04
  Speaker 2: second book which is long COVID for people who have
• 57:07
  Speaker 2: been diagnosed with that. And basically he has PERI practitioners
• 57:14
  Speaker 2: all over the world that's really important. In fact, he
• 57:17
  Speaker 2: is invited to guest speak at the World ME conference
• 57:22
  Speaker 2: in America, so very few people, Diane are actually invited
• 57:26
  Speaker 2: to guest speak. There's lots of people invited in the audience,
• 57:30
  Speaker 2: but because of his incredible specialist area the drainage of
• 57:34
  Speaker 2: the brain, he's actually a guest speaker and he is
• 57:37
  Speaker 2: currently now traveling all over the world training up PERI practitioners.
• 57:42
  Speaker 2: So if you're an osteopath, a doctor, a chiropractor, or
• 57:46
  Speaker 2: somebody that can do cranial sacral therapy, you have to
• 57:50
  Speaker 2: have the cranial sacral therapy to be able to do this.
• 57:54
  Speaker 2: Then you can actually get in touch with doctor Perrin,
• 57:59
  Speaker 2: which is on the website the per and technique website
• 58:02
  Speaker 2: from anywhere all over the world, and all of my
• 58:06
  Speaker 2: campaigning on socials. There was a lady from Washington with
• 58:09
  Speaker 2: em and after eight years of following me, God bless her,
• 58:13
  Speaker 2: she flew all the way to England to meet doctor
• 58:15
  Speaker 2: Perrin in person and shake his hand. And she has
• 58:18
  Speaker 2: then paid it forward by returning to Washington and helping
• 58:22
  Speaker 2: a local osteopath to set up a clinic there. So
• 58:26
  Speaker 2: every time we help somebody, they then go on to
• 58:29
  Speaker 2: pay forward and help somebody else. And that's what life
• 58:32
  Speaker 2: should be about. And I hope that you know this
• 58:35
  Speaker 2: can continue with wonderful people like yourselves here as well.
• 58:38
  Speaker 2: And yeah, so if anybody wants to access the per
• 58:41
  Speaker 2: and technique, the details are in my book as well.
• 58:44
  Speaker 2: You can buy his book that will explain the science
• 58:47
  Speaker 2: behind it as well. He very kindly said that he
• 58:51
  Speaker 2: liked my book and it was very laugh out loud.
• 58:53
  Speaker 2: So I don't want people to think it's just a
• 58:55
  Speaker 2: medical book. It is, although it's got science and medic
• 58:58
  Speaker 2: in part. It is my life story, my funny I
• 59:01
  Speaker 2: hope life story on stage with the Ronnie Scott Orchestra,
• 59:05
  Speaker 2: Phil Cool, Frank Skinner, all the different people that I
• 59:09
  Speaker 2: work with in my career and hopefully makes you laugh.
• 59:13
  Speaker 2: And the brilliant stand up comedian Steve Royal has endorsed
• 59:17
  Speaker 2: very kindly the front of my book and he said,
• 59:19
  Speaker 2: what an amazing story. This shouldn't be laughed out loud,
• 59:22
  Speaker 2: but somehow it is. So you can access Dr Perryn,
• 59:26
  Speaker 2: as I say, through the website or through the clinic
• 59:29
  Speaker 2: itself if you google the Perry Clinic which is Impressed,
• 59:32
  Speaker 2: which near Manchester. And also he has practitioners UK wide
• 59:38
  Speaker 2: ready locally to you that you can access, and there's
• 59:41
  Speaker 2: a big website connection. And he's just said to me
• 59:44
  Speaker 2: in New York last week that it is everywhere now
• 59:47
  Speaker 2: America is now setting up his clinics, which is just incredible.
• 59:51
  Speaker 2: So I hope that helps everybody that there is hope.
• 59:55
  Speaker 2: If you have got emmy and you know somebody locally
• 59:58
  Speaker 2: who would like to trade with Dr Perrin, then you
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 2: can actually go to your local doctor or osteopath and
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 2: they can actually qualify in this and then treat you
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 2: because as I said earlier, standard osteopathy is not the
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 2: same thing because with emy our system is pumping backwards.
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 2: If you do standard osteopathy or standard cranial sacral With EMY,
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 2: it has to be that you pump the system against
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 2: the flow. That is so important, and that is why
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 2: some people can end up more poorly when they have
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 2: the standard osteopathy, whereas this is a specifically created modality
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 2: that he has created himself over forty years. And of
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 2: course you know with success. I think there was an
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 2: eighty six percent success rate on his aid to diagnostic
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 2: in the peer reviewed studies. Now that's huge, eighty six
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 2: percent success, So have a look at all the studies.
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 2: Is that he's created. That is what drove me to
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 2: believe in him. And Jonathan Ross was on Loose Women
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 2: with his daughter also talking about Dr Raymond Perry because
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 2: she's got fibromyalgia. So I say, doesn't matter what you've got,
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  Speaker 2: go and get yourself help. And I'm sure that there'd
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  Speaker 2: be a perin practitioner near to you that's able to
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  Speaker 2: support your journey ahead.
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  Speaker 1: So unfortunately we're just about out of time. I'm wondering
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  Speaker 1: if I could just have a last word from both
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  Speaker 1: of you. I will start with Liz and then we'll
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  Speaker 1: go back over to Kathy.
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  Speaker 3: Just out of interest, is World Me Day next Monday?
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  Speaker 3: And I know that we're about to have a delivery plan,
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  Speaker 3: a long awaited delivery plan on EMMY due to be
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  Speaker 3: published by the government in June. It was promised in
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  Speaker 3: twenty twenty two by Sajad Javid. They had an interim
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  Speaker 3: delivery plan and public consultation on that in twenty twenty three.
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  Speaker 3: But sort of slightly bitter news is that the Minister
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  Speaker 3: for Public Health, Ashley Dalton, actually announced in Parliament a
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  Speaker 3: couple of months ago that there won't be extra funding
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  Speaker 3: for care or research. So yeah, I just wanted to say,
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  Speaker 3: you know, that's obviously devastating for people, for campaigners like Kathy,
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  Speaker 3: and I just wonder, Yeah, that's not a very hopeful
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  Speaker 3: way to end. But I feel like until people really
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  Speaker 3: take this seriously, we need to get research. We need
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  Speaker 3: to get more funding for care, We need specialist centers,
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  Speaker 3: we need to pull up all of this kind of
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  Speaker 3: long COVID vaccine injury EMMY, stop like separating them. Let's just,
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  Speaker 3: you know, get some proper research to look after people
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  Speaker 3: and care for them and learn you know from people
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  Speaker 3: like Raymond Perrin and you know EMMY patients themselves, because
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  Speaker 3: most of them will describe this need for a very holistic,
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  Speaker 3: multidisciplinary approach, multi modality health and healing STRATEGYES and that
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  Speaker 3: actually we can help people to recover. As Kathie said,
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  Speaker 3: we don't want more people to lose their lives or
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  Speaker 3: have their lives ruined and reduced. So yeah, so I'm
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  Speaker 3: just you know, I would encourage people to get behind
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  Speaker 3: the campaigning organizations, write your MP and let's try and
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  Speaker 3: get this to be a you know, let's get this sorted.
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  Speaker 3: Now that long COVID has brought this into the light
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  Speaker 3: and the public acceptance that we can have with the terrible,
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  Speaker 3: debilitating long illnesses of post infections, I think this is
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  Speaker 3: a real moment when we could really make some progress here.
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  Speaker 3: Would you agree?
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  Speaker 2: Yes, thank you, doctor Liz, I would absolutely agree because
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  Speaker 2: and thank you for sharing your story as well. Because
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  Speaker 2: every single person who has been affected by this chronic illness,
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  Speaker 2: including my partner, as I said, Mark Singleton, who literally
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  Speaker 2: helped to carry me on his back and push me
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  Speaker 2: in a wheel. So from every negative thing that happens
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  Speaker 2: to us, I believe light comes from that. And we
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  Speaker 2: were meant to meet and he has looked after me.
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  Speaker 2: His father was head of clinical psychology at Rawal Preston
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  Speaker 2: Hospital and he's in the book as well. And there's
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  Speaker 2: enough people in the world, I feel who do understand
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  Speaker 2: how horrific this condition is, but also have a very
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  Speaker 2: positive mindset, which is what I have as well. I
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  Speaker 2: will always have hope that the future for everybody with
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  Speaker 2: this illness will have a light attached to it. I
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  Speaker 2: think we are entering into a new world and where
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  Speaker 2: people are looking at other alternative healing modalities so that
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  Speaker 2: they can access you know, as you said, Dr Liz,
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  Speaker 2: the body's natural innate wisdom behind its ability to heal,
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  Speaker 2: and looking at alternative healing modalities that suit each person.
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  Speaker 2: But most importantly, my heart goes out to the whole
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  Speaker 2: EMI community and anybody watching today. Please I encourage you
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  Speaker 2: to take a look at my podcast which is the
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  Speaker 2: Katherine Van Dome and Me Podcast, where I interview Dr
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  Speaker 2: Raymond Perrin as well and also international guests in the
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  Speaker 2: fields of entertainment and health. And I also have my
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  Speaker 2: book which is The Truth About Me by Katherine Van Dome.
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  Speaker 2: And also today I'm launching medi Talk, which is meditation
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  Speaker 2: and talking therapy. Having lived predominantly in isolation the last
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  Speaker 2: eleven years, I do feel best placed as an Emmy expert,
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  Speaker 2: as somebody who has also qualified as a counselor to
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  Speaker 2: be able to help the community in whatever you're going
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  Speaker 2: through at this time. Please do contact me on www
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  Speaker 2: dot Katherine vandome dot com so that I can offer
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  Speaker 2: you support ahead in whatever you're going through and give
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  Speaker 2: you hope. Because I'm so lucky to be here today.
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  Speaker 2: I will continue to smile and continue to be happy
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  Speaker 2: because I'm one of the lucky ones that survived. And
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  Speaker 2: I hope that I can in telling my story today
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  Speaker 2: and thank you to you Diana, and thank you to
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  Speaker 2: you Dr Liz as well, that I can give hope
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  Speaker 2: to everybody that no matter what happens to you, there's
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  Speaker 2: always a light ahead and somebody is always there for
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  Speaker 2: us to help us forgive me. Can I just quickly
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  Speaker 2: introduce Tinker and say, Tinker, my dog is my co host.
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  Speaker 2: He's nearly seventeen, and I just want to introduce him
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  Speaker 2: because he has also been on this journey with me
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  Speaker 2: from the day I collapsed and he's been by my
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  Speaker 2: side these last eleven years. He's nearly seventeen, and he
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  Speaker 2: has the pering technique as well. I do the technique
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  Speaker 2: on him every single night and he's still alive. So
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  Speaker 2: God bless you all, and from myself and Tinker, thank
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  Speaker 2: you for having me on today.
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  Speaker 1: Thanks Kathy, that was beautiful, and thank you Liz for
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  Speaker 1: this has been a fascinating conversation. I just want to
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  Speaker 1: say UK Carlum will continue to investigate all of these issues.
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  Speaker 2: We have said all.
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  Speaker 1: Twenty one that we will never abandon the vaccine injured,
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  Speaker 1: that we are there. We all know what is wrong
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  Speaker 1: with the NHS. We don't know we don't know exactly
• 1:07:08
  Speaker 1: what is wrong with the NHS, but we know that
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  Speaker 1: the NHS is not there for us the way it
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  Speaker 1: needs to be. It never was, and we need to
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  Speaker 1: continue to uncover the issues behind the things that are
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  Speaker 1: poisoning us in this world. The corruption issues that are
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  Speaker 1: that are making this being allowed to happen, That our
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  Speaker 1: food is getting poisoned, that our farmers are being devastated
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  Speaker 1: by financial problems. All of these bigger issues are things
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  Speaker 1: that I think are when we talk about the symptoms
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  Speaker 1: of an illness, that all of the things that are
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  Speaker 1: happening in the world that UK column covers and will
• 1:07:38
  Speaker 1: continue to cover are all examples of why we are
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  Speaker 1: in the situation that we are with our health and otherwise.
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  Speaker 1: So this was a fabulous discussion today of just one
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  Speaker 1: one result of this, which is this horrible condition that
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  Speaker 1: has unfortunately affected both of your lives. So thank you
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  Speaker 1: both again for your time and your wisdom and your
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  Speaker 1: support for each other and for the entire community, and
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  Speaker 1: thank you for your advocacy work. And I'm sure that
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  Speaker 1: this will continue in some form as UK Column continues
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  Speaker 1: to figure out what we can do to not only
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  Speaker 1: improve our country but also to improve the health of
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  Speaker 1: those of us who live here. So thank you very
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  Speaker 1: much again. This is Diane Rethmus Macattie with UK Column.
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  Speaker 1: Thanks very much and have everyone have a wonderful day.
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  Speaker 3: Thank you.