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TOT MOM CASEY ANTHONY CALLS 911 OVER "BAR DRINK" BUT NOT WHEN DAUGHTER "MISSING" · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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  Speaker 1: Tot Mom Casey Anthony, why won't she go away or
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  Speaker 1: do something productive with her life, like raise money for
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  Speaker 1: the poor, go work at a homeless shelter, do something
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  Speaker 1: other than get into fights at bars. Now listen, unless
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  Speaker 1: it's got crime scene tape around it, I'm not concerned.
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  Speaker 1: But it's just striking to me that when her daughter,
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  Speaker 1: two year old Kelly, was found wrapped in a blanket
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  Speaker 1: with duct tape all around her mouth and nose on
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  Speaker 1: her skull which was by then skeletonized, wrapped in a
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  Speaker 1: blanket and in a trash bag a few houses down
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  Speaker 1: from the Anthony home, in a swampy area behind a school,
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  Speaker 1: tot Mom Casey Anthony insisted at trial that her daughter
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  Speaker 1: had actually drowned, and that for some reason, instead of
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  Speaker 1: calling nine one one, they decided to bag her body
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  Speaker 1: and throw it in a swamp. That said, why is
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  Speaker 1: it so easy for her to call nine one one?
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  Speaker 1: At a fight between bar flies? A bar fight, barfly
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  Speaker 1: taught mom Casey Anthony gets a drink thrown on her
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  Speaker 1: and then she thinks to call nine one one. You
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  Speaker 1: know what, let's hear it from the horse's mouth. Take
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  Speaker 1: a listen to this, No goad nine one one. What
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  Speaker 1: if he had to hear emergency nine emergency. Can you
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  Speaker 1: have West Palm come over for and incident report? Okay?
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  Speaker 1: What is the address? Um, it's o shade, it's right
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  Speaker 1: next to the department. It's in the five hundred blocks. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: thirty one from out of street. Let's see incident. Um,
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  Speaker 1: it's an assault. It's a throne drink. It's an assault.
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  Speaker 1: It's a throne drink. I just paused there because I thought,
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  Speaker 1: certainly there had to be more to a nine one
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  Speaker 1: one call calling nine one one because you got wet
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  Speaker 1: at a bar because you had a hair fight when
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  Speaker 1: another woman over some guy you both dated. But when
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  Speaker 1: you're a daughter, according to you drowned in the pool,
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  Speaker 1: which of course is not what happened. You didn't call
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  Speaker 1: nine one one. You know what, Let's listen to a
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  Speaker 1: little bit more of this nine one one call that
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  Speaker 1: has just emerged repeated into no, I'm still here. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: there was a repeated incident. It was harassment on top
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  Speaker 1: of the repeated drink throwing drink and they threw a
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  Speaker 1: drink at you. Yeah, thank you, I'm finally it was
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  Speaker 1: a repeated incident. It was a verbal of thought outside
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  Speaker 1: and that's throw drinking inside, Okay, And I would like yeah, no,
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  Speaker 1: I would just like to make an official report, make
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  Speaker 1: an official report with me an all star panel to
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  Speaker 1: make sense of it all. First of all, John W.
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  Speaker 1: Deal personal injury lawyer joining me out of that jurisdiction, Florida,
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  Speaker 1: author of the method proven Techniques for Winning jury Trials
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  Speaker 1: at John W. Deal dot com, and he actually represented
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  Speaker 1: Zenaida Gonzalez. Does that name ring a bell? It does
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  Speaker 1: to me because in one of talking Abo'm Casey Anthony's
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  Speaker 1: other stories, she told police as to why she waited
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  Speaker 1: over a month to report her baby missing was because
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  Speaker 1: the nanny had taken the baby and that nanny was
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  Speaker 1: Zenaida Gonzales. Well, there is a real Zenaida Gonzalez, not
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  Speaker 1: the ones she made up in her head, who suffered
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  Speaker 1: a great deal after being named the kidnapper of Little KILLI,
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  Speaker 1: which was of course a lie. He knows this case
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  Speaker 1: inside and out, and with me were now New York
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  Speaker 1: psychologist who has covered the case from the very beginning.
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  Speaker 1: Along with me, Karen started joining us out of Manhattan.
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  Speaker 1: You can find her at Karen start with ac dot com.
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  Speaker 1: Doctor Tim Gallagher medical examiner for the entire state of Florida,
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  Speaker 1: while I wish he had been on that witness stand,
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  Speaker 1: Doctor Gallagher. You can find him at pathcaremed dot com.
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  Speaker 1: Also University of Florida Medical School for Instinct Medicine. Renowned
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  Speaker 1: lecturer Chris Byers, former police chief John's create twenty five
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  Speaker 1: years on the force, now private investigator and polygrapher at
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  Speaker 1: Chris Buyers Investigations and polygraph dot com. But first to
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  Speaker 1: Steve Helen, senior writer with People dot com. Wow, I
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  Speaker 1: gotta say we should have a lot of memories from
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  Speaker 1: the top mom Casey Anthony trial. Steve Helling, and he
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  Speaker 1: is the author of Outrage the Casey Anthony's Story. But
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  Speaker 1: wait a minute, Steve Helling, First, there's more. Take a
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  Speaker 1: listen to this. Okay, where is the person that threw
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  Speaker 1: the drink? She's already left around as the whole Okay,
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  Speaker 1: but I have your information, her data, birth, her phone number. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: just so if it happens again, so I can file
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  Speaker 1: her restraining order. It has happened repeatedly. Okay, what is
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  Speaker 1: your name? Please? Any good data? Birth? I near phone number?
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  Speaker 1: All right, I had a column for service. You're gonna
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  Speaker 1: get someone out there as soon as possible. Okay, thank
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  Speaker 1: you so much. I appreciate it. No com bo by
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  Speaker 1: to Chris Buyer's former police chief, John's Creek Chief. When
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  Speaker 1: you are dealing with murders, rapes, child molestations, arsons, aggravated assault,
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  Speaker 1: arm robberies, and you get a call from a bar
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  Speaker 1: that somebody got a drink pored on them, yeah, that's Unfortunately.
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  Speaker 1: Calls like that happened way too often and take the
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  Speaker 1: focus of law enforcement away from actual enforcement of the
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  Speaker 1: law and investigating actual crimes to deal with petty stuff
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  Speaker 1: like this and people that can't solve their own problems,
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  Speaker 1: and especially when you put this in the perspective of
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  Speaker 1: who this is, it really is just an annoyance. Now
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  Speaker 1: to Steve Helling, senior writer with People dot Com and
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  Speaker 1: author of Outrage that Casey Anthony Story, Steve Helling, she
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  Speaker 1: talks like she's a cop. She talks about an incident report,
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  Speaker 1: She rattles off dB and phone number, a lot of
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  Speaker 1: cop jargon when she calls the police. Now she claims
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  Speaker 1: that she and her quote arch nemesis had dated the
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  Speaker 1: same guy co incidentally in law enforcement. I don't know
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  Speaker 1: what he was thinking. But what happened, Steve Helling, tell
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  Speaker 1: me the whole thing. And this is with the back
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  Speaker 1: drop of her not calling nine one one when she
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  Speaker 1: claimed her daughter drowned in the pool. Instead of calling
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  Speaker 1: nine one one, they went, oh, let's just put her
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  Speaker 1: in a trash bag and throw her in the swamp. Now,
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  Speaker 1: I'll take care of that. And then when her daughter's
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  Speaker 1: missing over a month, it's her mother that calls nine
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  Speaker 1: one one. She still doesn't call nine one one, but
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  Speaker 1: her shirt gets wet as she calls nine one one. Yes,
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  Speaker 1: I mean. The ridiculous thing about this is it was
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  Speaker 1: really a very minor incident that she and this woman
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  Speaker 1: get into this barroom argument. It needs to be noticed
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  Speaker 1: that the other woman claims that Casey threw a drink
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  Speaker 1: at her first. Oh my goodness, now we're going to
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  Speaker 1: have a credibility contest. Wow, who should I believe? And
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  Speaker 1: let me make it clear, whoever the other woman is.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know if that woman is a bar fly
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  Speaker 1: or not, but I do know that top mom Casey
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  Speaker 1: Anthony is, And I'm not judging. I don't care she
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  Speaker 1: is or is not a bar fly. But every time
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  Speaker 1: I hear about her. She's wearing a pair of hot
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  Speaker 1: pants at a bar every time, doing shots. Every time
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  Speaker 1: I hear about her. Why is it she out working
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  Speaker 1: at a homeless shelter or soup line, Because that's not
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  Speaker 1: who Casey is. Casey has returned to her life that
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  Speaker 1: she was, you know when she was saying hot body
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  Speaker 1: contests in two thousand and eight. She's in the same
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  Speaker 1: world now as she was then. Nothing has changed with Casey.
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  Speaker 1: And you know, we're seeing that you're bringing back a
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  Speaker 1: very bad memory of her in a mini dress with
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  Speaker 1: a piery go go boots on a stripper pole at
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  Speaker 1: a hot body contest. You just brought that back to me.
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  Speaker 1: Thanks Steve Halling for conjuring that image up in my mind.
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  Speaker 1: So you're saying that this is the life she wanted,
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  Speaker 1: and that's why Kelly is dead, and that's what it
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  Speaker 1: seems like the life she went back to. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: most of us, if we had suffered a trauma in
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  Speaker 1: our life like losing a child, would reassess our lives
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  Speaker 1: and think, Okay, this isn't the life I want to live.
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  Speaker 1: She reassessed and said, that's the life I want. How
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  Speaker 1: do I get back to it? That's what happened there,
• 9:30
  Speaker 1: Climb Stories with Nancy Grace. Guys, we are talking about
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  Speaker 1: todd Mom. Casey Anthony back in the news again, and
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  Speaker 1: it's not for doing something good. It's for yet another
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  Speaker 1: bar incident. You were just hearing her nine one one call.
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  Speaker 1: An officer takes time to go to the bar when
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  Speaker 1: she's called because her shirt is wet. And now we're
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  Speaker 1: hearing the body cam video and footage. We're hearing what
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  Speaker 1: we can also see. Take a listen to this for
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  Speaker 1: the first time, we're seeing body camp footage of cops
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  Speaker 1: responding to Casey Anthony's nine one one call. I got
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  Speaker 1: a drink thrown abby. This girl has been harassing me
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  Speaker 1: for a while. The woman in the fedora is Casey Anthony,
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  Speaker 1: the notorious mom who was acquitted ten years ago for
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  Speaker 1: the murder of her daughter Kayley. We the jury finally
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  Speaker 1: defendant not guilty. Now she's back in the news and
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  Speaker 1: in a familiar setting, a bar. She's telling a cop
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  Speaker 1: that the altercation at the bar in Florida was over
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  Speaker 1: a guy like what happened person for a couple of years.
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  Speaker 1: Alcolm Alison with one of your sergeants, that's right, the guy,
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  Speaker 1: Casey says, they were arguing over is a police sergeant
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  Speaker 1: in West Palm Beach. Whether they're together not together. She
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  Speaker 1: got upset that he had texted me. I let her
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  Speaker 1: know that he had and she came inside to joy
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  Speaker 1: a drinking me. Do you know her name is Thelmamoia? Okay,
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  Speaker 1: so she immediately rats out the other woman who I
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  Speaker 1: can tell you so far as in this right, Jackie's
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  Speaker 1: minute to take quiet and does not want to get
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  Speaker 1: dragged into more controversy with top mom. Casey, Anthony, you
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  Speaker 1: know what, congratulations of Thel Memoia. Take a listen more
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  Speaker 1: of that bodycam video. Are you with him? No, he
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  Speaker 1: was one of the witnesses, Eli, All of these people
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  Speaker 1: were witnesses. Unfortunately, I try not to make a big
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  Speaker 1: deal of things. But she's been a problem in my
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  Speaker 1: late three years. Are changed her phone, I'm hill several years,
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  Speaker 1: So this is the last I try doing up training. No,
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  Speaker 1: this is a lost some throwing your drinking knees. But
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  Speaker 1: I'm still wearing. I have several witnesses over and over,
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  Speaker 1: she says, I'm still wet. I'm still wet. You know,
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  Speaker 1: I want to go to a special guest joining us,
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  Speaker 1: who actually handled a case for the I guess I
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  Speaker 1: should say infamous or famous, depending on what your point
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  Speaker 1: of view is. Zenia Gonzalez, who taught mom Casey Anthony
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  Speaker 1: blamed for Keilly's disappearance. They didn't even know each other.
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  Speaker 1: She taught Mom Casey Anthony got miss Gonzalez's name. We
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  Speaker 1: think off an apartment visitationalist where she had visited looking
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  Speaker 1: at apartments according to her, or just pulled it out
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  Speaker 1: of the air. But whatever the reason, taught Mom Casey
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  Speaker 1: Anthony named Sania Gonzalez is the real perpetrator. It ruined
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  Speaker 1: Miss Gonzalez's life, ruined it to John W. Deal, PI
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  Speaker 1: lawyer joining us out of Florida, author of the method
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  Speaker 1: Proven Techniques for Winning Jury Trials. John W. Deal, thank
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  Speaker 1: you for being with us. I mean, do you believe
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  Speaker 1: anything that comes out of top Mom Casey Anthony's mouth. No,
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  Speaker 1: it's she has an amazing skill to take facts, you know,
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  Speaker 1: twist them to her advantage. Certainly, we think that's what
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  Speaker 1: happened with with Senaida. It's sort of like in the
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  Speaker 1: movie Usual Suspects when the person was just making up
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  Speaker 1: things from words he saw, and we think that's what happened.
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  Speaker 1: But unfortunately she's not above involving police because obviously the
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  Speaker 1: police interviewed my client, you know, drugger through the mud
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  Speaker 1: at a suspect and a kidnapping when she knew full
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  Speaker 1: well that wasn't the case. So it's it's not out
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  Speaker 1: of the ordinary. I don't think there's anything that miss
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  Speaker 1: Anthony will say or do that surprises me at this point.
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  Speaker 1: I'm really surprised, back to you, Steve Helling, that a
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  Speaker 1: law enforcement officer is dating taught mom Casey Anthony. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: that was to be the craziest part of the thing.
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  Speaker 1: That's the craziest part. To you. The craziest part of
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  Speaker 1: this is that a cop is aiding her because see,
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  Speaker 1: I think the craziest part is that she murdered her
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  Speaker 1: daughter and she got to quit it. To me, that's
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  Speaker 1: the craziest part. I'm talking about the craziest part of
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  Speaker 1: the latest development. I mean, you and I sat through,
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  Speaker 1: you know, sat through two months worth of crazy in
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  Speaker 1: that trial. But you know, after all of that, why
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  Speaker 1: would any I don't wondered, why would anybody ate Kacy
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  Speaker 1: Anthony who wants that type of baggage. But if you're
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  Speaker 1: a cop. You certainly know that this is somebody who's
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  Speaker 1: on the wrong side of the law, and why would
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  Speaker 1: you want to beat her? I just don't understand it. Well.
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  Speaker 1: I have a couple of reasons. I think he may
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  Speaker 1: be dating her, but I don't think Fox Nation or
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  Speaker 1: serious XM one eleven would like me to blurt that
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  Speaker 1: out on the air. There are still a few SCC censorships.
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  Speaker 1: Let's go to cut twenty three. This is part of
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  Speaker 1: Top Mom Casey Anthony's interrogation where the investigator, your detective,
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  Speaker 1: your emailed. It's like, I'm so tired of the lies.
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  Speaker 1: Please stop listen. I can tell you, just for a certainty,
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  Speaker 1: that everything you've told me so far has been why.
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  Speaker 1: I can tell you with a certainty, and let me
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  Speaker 1: explain why. Since I left you this morning, I've got
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  Speaker 1: to every addressing you told me, every hang of every
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  Speaker 1: person that you wanted me to talk you try to.
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  Speaker 1: I've reached out. I thought to your exployfriend, thought that Amy,
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  Speaker 1: I thought to Tony. I came over here. I've hardy
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  Speaker 1: talked to all the employees I talked about. All these
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  Speaker 1: names you're giving me are people that either have never
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  Speaker 1: worked here or have been fired you for a long
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  Speaker 1: time ago. Okay, so where we are right now is
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  Speaker 1: in a physician that doesn't look very good for you.
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  Speaker 1: We can sit here and go back and forth all
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  Speaker 1: day long. Though I don't, I don't, I do. It's
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  Speaker 1: pretty obvious that with everything that you tell us nothing
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  Speaker 1: has been truth. You know where she is. Can you
• 15:45
  Speaker 1: imagine sitting in that interrogation room going round and Karen Stark,
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  Speaker 1: what is that ability to just stick with your story
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  Speaker 1: and look at a detective in the eye when they
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  Speaker 1: keep saying, well, we call this person and that person,
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  Speaker 1: and we check this employee, employer and that employee. Everything
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  Speaker 1: you've said is a lie, everything, And she's like, no,
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  Speaker 1: it's not. It's almost like one of those Saturday Night
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  Speaker 1: Lives gets when there's the liar and they look right
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  Speaker 1: at you and say, no, it's not it's true, and
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  Speaker 1: they have the people say no, she doesn't work here,
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  Speaker 1: No she hasn't been staying here. No, that's not what happened.
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  Speaker 1: What is that called? There's got to be something in
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  Speaker 1: your DSM manual that's a bad the logical liar. And
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  Speaker 1: I do remember using that very analogy Nancy of the
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  Speaker 1: Lyar on Saturday Night Lives because she's so classic. When
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  Speaker 1: she says something and then it's proved that it's life,
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  Speaker 1: she immediately goes to the next life and the next light,
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  Speaker 1: and then the next light, and absolutely her face is
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  Speaker 1: in passage. You can't imagine that she's telling the lie.
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  Speaker 1: She looks so authentic. She's classic, and she's a narcissist,
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  Speaker 1: so she needs constant and part of that is the
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  Speaker 1: ability to tell those ways. Well, I guarantee you that's
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  Speaker 1: why she did not take the stand, because finally she
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  Speaker 1: would be on cross examination and a jury would see
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  Speaker 1: exactly what you're talking about, Karen Stark. Yes, they would
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  Speaker 1: remember we talked about that. The jury would see it.
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  Speaker 1: And she doesn't come across authentically. You don't see emotion.
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  Speaker 1: Even I'm hearing her voice on getting the shills, because
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  Speaker 1: that's the person that we know, right Nancy. She's very calm,
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  Speaker 1: and she knows her lodge, she knows her words, and
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  Speaker 1: she's talking nonsense, saying nonsense. It all boils down to
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  Speaker 1: what happened to two year old Kelly, her daughter. Let's
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  Speaker 1: cut to our number eight, our cut eight, Jackie, take
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  Speaker 1: a listen to Carson chambers and what we learn at
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  Speaker 1: trial about the condition of top mom Casey Anthony, baby
• 18:01
  Speaker 1: girl Keyley Casey Anthony sobbed into a tissue hearing what
• 18:05
  Speaker 1: happened to Kayley's remains in the woods. What we're looking
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  Speaker 1: at here the top of the bones. These have actually
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  Speaker 1: been shoot on by animals. The gallery was filled with
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  Speaker 1: surprise faces, including an expecting mother whose mouth hung wide
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  Speaker 1: open as autopsy photos were shown in court. There is
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  Speaker 1: no child that should have duct tape on its face
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  Speaker 1: when it dies. There is no reason to put duct
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  Speaker 1: tape on the face after they die. Doctor jan Garavaglia,
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  Speaker 1: also known as Doctor G medical examiner on her Discovery
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  Speaker 1: Channel show, says she classified Kayley's death as a homicide
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  Speaker 1: based on red flags. The child was reported missing thirty
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  Speaker 1: one days late and her remains were hidden in the woods.
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  Speaker 1: Could a child expose to a sufficient amount of chloroform
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  Speaker 1: die as a result? Absolutely crime Stories with Nancy Grace
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  Speaker 1: now straight out to our estaimed medical examiner. Doctor Tim
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  Speaker 1: Gallagher the medical examiner for the entire state of Florida
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  Speaker 1: at pathcaremed dot com. He is a lecturer at University
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  Speaker 1: of Florida Medical School forensic medicine. Doctor Gallagher, I know
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  Speaker 1: that you have very carefully studied what happened to little Keiley,
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  Speaker 1: and i'd like to get your thoughts, especially about the
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  Speaker 1: duct tape on the child's face. Well, that was a
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  Speaker 1: very difficult case, you know, and Jan garb Agley I
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  Speaker 1: did a great job, and you know, you know you
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  Speaker 1: have to use your best judgment. A medical examiner's diagnosis
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  Speaker 1: is an opinion. It's an opinion based on a lot
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  Speaker 1: of the evidence, all of the evidence, the scene, the body,
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  Speaker 1: and all the events leading up to that. This is
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  Speaker 1: a decomposed child who was in the woods with duct
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  Speaker 1: tape around him, that it was already annual, predation had
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  Speaker 1: already begun to start. Animals had found the body, and
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  Speaker 1: we're chewing on the bones and scavenging the remains. This
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  Speaker 1: is a just an awful case. And I mean, I
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  Speaker 1: don't know that I can add anything that hasn't already
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  Speaker 1: been in the news. But we still use this case
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  Speaker 1: as a great teaching point as well as the interview
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  Speaker 1: with Kaylee Anthony. And this is a classic teaching point
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  Speaker 1: within So if any good can come from this, it's
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  Speaker 1: that now students who are coming into the field are
• 20:49
  Speaker 1: educated more carefully about this type of finding and this
• 20:54
  Speaker 1: type of a person to deal with the theory that
• 20:58
  Speaker 1: was espoused at aile that Keielly had drowned in the
• 21:02
  Speaker 1: pool completely contradicts the medical findings that she was found
• 21:06
  Speaker 1: with our skull covered in duct tape. To you, Steve Helen,
• 21:10
  Speaker 1: you know that as well as any one, it completely
• 21:13
  Speaker 1: contradicts that theory. I mean, Jasey Anthony is just full
• 21:17
  Speaker 1: of contradictions. She has been since two thousand and eight,
• 21:21
  Speaker 1: and nothing surprises me with all of her contradictions. You know,
• 21:25
  Speaker 1: It's funny. We mentioned watching her again in action talking
• 21:29
  Speaker 1: to the police and did you ever were you listening
• 21:32
  Speaker 1: to that to it, I thinking I wonder if Alma
• 21:36
  Speaker 1: really exists because she's so convincing and everything that says,
• 21:42
  Speaker 1: and then you find out it's a lie. Obviously, you
• 21:44
  Speaker 1: know that's almost exists. It's just j full of contradictions,
• 21:49
  Speaker 1: full of rise and it's exhausting. It is exhausting. Guys
• 21:53
  Speaker 1: were talking about the most recent incident with top mom
• 21:57
  Speaker 1: Casey Anthony, who has told Investor Together she quote sleeps
• 22:01
  Speaker 1: really well at night, doesn't have any concerns about the
• 22:06
  Speaker 1: murder of her daughter Kelly. But in the most recent
• 22:10
  Speaker 1: event with Todd Mom Casey Anthony, she's back in a
• 22:13
  Speaker 1: bar and a pair of hot pants. Take a listen
• 22:15
  Speaker 1: to our cut twenty one. This is the body cam
• 22:20
  Speaker 1: sound that goes with the body cam video of Todd
• 22:24
  Speaker 1: Mom at O'she's bar. What's her fine? If you can
• 22:30
  Speaker 1: send that to me, I can send us to here. Yeah. No,
• 22:35
  Speaker 1: I haven't seemed her stuff like this, but I file
• 22:40
  Speaker 1: a retraining arder. I didn't have enough to have Actually,
• 22:45
  Speaker 1: her tax scene was not enough for showing up where
• 22:48
  Speaker 1: I wasn't got enough. This is in part witnesses. Sorry
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: to hear that because top one, Casey Anthony's in a
• 23:03
  Speaker 1: packed bar. But what I'm hearing is that she won't
• 23:07
  Speaker 1: file a restraining order. So to you former police Chief
• 23:11
  Speaker 1: John's Cree, Chief Chris Buyers, if you're worried about a
• 23:15
  Speaker 1: person you really are being harassed with and you file
• 23:17
  Speaker 1: a restraining order, yeah, absolutely, that's the path to get
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: that solved. You go file the temporary protective order and
• 23:23
  Speaker 1: gets the hearing. And that way, if this person contacts you,
• 23:26
  Speaker 1: follows you, anything else, it actually becomes a chromb At
• 23:29
  Speaker 1: that point. So, yeah, she needs to take that matters
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: into her hand and follow the way that the law works. Yeah.
• 23:35
  Speaker 1: So you're hearing this nine on one call from top
• 23:38
  Speaker 1: on Casey Anthony because her shirt's wet at a bar.
• 23:41
  Speaker 1: It's historic contrast to another nine on one call. Take
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: a listen to Cindy Anthony our cut two A little
• 23:53
  Speaker 1: chair emergency. I'm called a little bit to the deputy.
• 23:59
  Speaker 1: My griers I have been taking She has been listened
• 24:01
  Speaker 1: for her mother's finally literally that she's been missed. Okay,
• 24:05
  Speaker 1: what someone's weird? Now? Okay, what is the address that
• 24:07
  Speaker 1: you're calling from? Haley three seven Hope Spring Drive and
• 24:11
  Speaker 1: you're talking about her three years a little girl four
• 24:13
  Speaker 1: nine three seven White Hope Spring HLP E SPR I
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  Speaker 1: mg FRO Rolando. My daughter finally admitted that the baby
• 24:22
  Speaker 1: ten flour. I need to find her. Your daughter admitted
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: that your the baby is later, but you kind of
• 24:30
  Speaker 1: took her a month together. That my daughter has been
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: looking for I told you my daughter was missing for
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: a month. I just found her today, but I can't
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: find my granddaughter. She just admitted to me, but she's
• 24:39
  Speaker 1: been trying to find her herself. There's something wrong. That's
• 24:45
  Speaker 1: not my daughter's car today, and it's not like there's
• 24:48
  Speaker 1: been a bread bough in the the long cloud. Okay,
• 24:50
  Speaker 1: what is the three year old? Name? Hayley c A
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: y l E E Anthony Kaylee Anthony. Yes, Okay, she white, black,
• 24:59
  Speaker 1: her panic hit. How long has she been missing for?
• 25:04
  Speaker 1: I have not seen her, so for seventh of two
• 25:08
  Speaker 1: I play that portions an I only call for a
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: reason to doctor Tim Gallagher, medical examiner for the entire
• 25:14
  Speaker 1: state of Florida, Doctor Gallagher, did you hear what Cindy
• 25:19
  Speaker 1: Anthony said in the nine on one call? The child's
• 25:23
  Speaker 1: been missing. I haven't seen her since June seventh. My
• 25:26
  Speaker 1: daughter's missing. I've got her. I can't find Keiley. The quote,
• 25:31
  Speaker 1: damn car smells like a dead body, Well, there's nothing
• 25:36
  Speaker 1: that smells exactly like a dead body and has a
• 25:40
  Speaker 1: very sickly sweet odor, and if you smell it once,
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: you'll remember it for the rest of your life. It's
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: actually part of the training that we do for recovery
• 25:50
  Speaker 1: animals and for other forensic personnel. They're required to know
• 25:57
  Speaker 1: what that odor is. And it is because of that
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: at that a lot of decomposed bodies have been recovered,
• 26:05
  Speaker 1: but it is. It is one smell that you cannot
• 26:07
  Speaker 1: mistake for anything else. There is no food that smells
• 26:09
  Speaker 1: like that. There was no other animal that smells like
• 26:12
  Speaker 1: a dead human. It is and it is a scent
• 26:14
  Speaker 1: that'll stick with you for the rest of your life.
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: When you smell it, you know it, and it's accurate.
• 26:20
  Speaker 1: You know what, Steve Hailing hearing doctor Gallagher speake, We're
• 26:26
  Speaker 1: all kicking around that Top Mom, Casey Anthony's at another
• 26:29
  Speaker 1: bar and another pair of hot pant's getting in trouble.
• 26:33
  Speaker 1: But when I hear him talking and that, you know,
• 26:37
  Speaker 1: there's that one picture of Cayley with the big brown
• 26:41
  Speaker 1: eyes looking at the camera, and I think about her
• 26:48
  Speaker 1: being torn apart by animals and a swamp with duct
• 26:51
  Speaker 1: tape wrapped around her head, and the smell of a
• 26:57
  Speaker 1: dead body and Top Mom's car that she abandoned. It's,
• 27:04
  Speaker 1: you know, it really never goes away, that the shock
• 27:08
  Speaker 1: that Top Mom had everything. I mean, she'd been lying
• 27:11
  Speaker 1: to her parents for years, I guess two years that
• 27:14
  Speaker 1: she worked at Universal, the whole time just hanging around
• 27:17
  Speaker 1: the house watching TV, eating their food, using their cable,
• 27:21
  Speaker 1: talking on their phone. They totally supported her financially. They
• 27:25
  Speaker 1: totally supported little Kelly, no questions asked, and to do
• 27:33
  Speaker 1: this to Kelly. You know, we often think about, you know,
• 27:37
  Speaker 1: Casey is a side showing. She does all these things
• 27:39
  Speaker 1: that we kind of laugh at because they're so ridiculous,
• 27:43
  Speaker 1: but we can't fact site of the fact that there
• 27:47
  Speaker 1: is a little girl who would be fifteen years old
• 27:50
  Speaker 1: now or sixteen years old. You know, she'd be a teenager,
• 27:53
  Speaker 1: and she's not with us, and you know, her end
• 27:56
  Speaker 1: and her guests was horrific, and we always you know,
• 28:00
  Speaker 1: it's easy to forget that when Casey is doing her
• 28:03
  Speaker 1: antics in a bar somewhere, because Casey forgetting it. But
• 28:06
  Speaker 1: the rest of us need to remember crime stories with
• 28:17
  Speaker 1: Nancy Grace, you know, Karen Starr, you and I covered
• 28:23
  Speaker 1: the case together. And then you remember, I'm very clearly
• 28:29
  Speaker 1: you're at one of my baby showers. Remember I had two,
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: and you were at one of them. How much I
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: wanted to have the twins, and remember I almost lost
• 28:41
  Speaker 1: them during the pregnancy, and I'm remembering, remember you were
• 28:46
  Speaker 1: there watching them grow up in New York and at
• 28:51
  Speaker 1: this age, you know, two three years old, their whole
• 28:54
  Speaker 1: world is mommy. Kelly had no idea top mom was
• 29:00
  Speaker 1: not taking care of her, not supporting her. She was
• 29:02
  Speaker 1: basically like a tick, a parasite, living off her parents,
• 29:07
  Speaker 1: and they were the ones taking care of Kelly, not
• 29:11
  Speaker 1: Tod mob He was taking care of Kelly because hot
• 29:15
  Speaker 1: Man was not able to do it. Nancy, When I
• 29:18
  Speaker 1: think about you and the kind of mother that I
• 29:21
  Speaker 1: can still tex you racking the twins one at a time,
• 29:25
  Speaker 1: and I was sitting there and just in awe of
• 29:27
  Speaker 1: that connection that you had. Well, that connection that a
• 29:31
  Speaker 1: mother and a child has that you had did not
• 29:34
  Speaker 1: exist for her. She doesn't have it in her to
• 29:38
  Speaker 1: come to anyone. She's not assisted, and of course we
• 29:42
  Speaker 1: know that she's capable of murder. Is that there was
• 29:46
  Speaker 1: never any what about my daughter? It was always what
• 29:49
  Speaker 1: about me? When she was in jail talking to her parents,
• 29:52
  Speaker 1: it was well, what's gonna hap to me? What dook?
• 29:56
  Speaker 1: You never heard her say, you know, lose my girl?
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: What happened to my girl? So it's a stark comparison
• 30:04
  Speaker 1: of USA between let me know, a connection between a
• 30:08
  Speaker 1: mother and a child, a parent and a childhood, and
• 30:12
  Speaker 1: this person who is in principle of feelings, and lying
• 30:17
  Speaker 1: and missing that little girl. And in the last weeks,
• 30:21
  Speaker 1: a taught mom Casey Anthony Jurar has come forward and
• 30:25
  Speaker 1: said that they regret the not guilty Really, thanks day,
• 30:30
  Speaker 1: late dollars short. Don't even bother wasting your breath telling
• 30:33
  Speaker 1: me now that you regret your not guilty decision. I mean,
• 30:37
  Speaker 1: I don't even want to hear that. Just keep your
• 30:40
  Speaker 1: pieholes shut, you hear, taught mom Casey Anthony at a
• 30:48
  Speaker 1: after a boozy barfight with some other woman, calling nine
• 30:52
  Speaker 1: on one because her shirt got wet when the woman
• 30:54
  Speaker 1: allegedly threw a drink on her. But listen to this
• 30:57
  Speaker 1: our cut number one, where you you here, Cindy, excuse me?
• 31:05
  Speaker 1: Star cut number three practically begging taught mom to get
• 31:12
  Speaker 1: on the phone and speak to nine one one Our
• 31:15
  Speaker 1: cut three first um three eight nine two thousand three,
• 31:25
  Speaker 1: two thousand and five sons true listen Curson a month ago.
• 31:41
  Speaker 1: So we're listening form. Okay, I just I mean, I understand,
• 31:46
  Speaker 1: I can you just can you come down for me
• 31:47
  Speaker 1: for the semnut? I need to know what's going on. Okay,
• 31:50
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna try and sorry, is your is your daughter there?
• 31:56
  Speaker 1: The fall with them. Is your daughter there? Yeah? Can
• 31:59
  Speaker 1: I speak her? Do you minded body step with her?
• 32:03
  Speaker 1: Thank you? I called them two hours ago. They haven't
• 32:08
  Speaker 1: gotten here. Finally admitted the bay from I'm ma'am, ma'am.
• 32:18
  Speaker 1: They want to talk to you. Question. She's basically grabbing
• 32:25
  Speaker 1: top Mom and getting her to the phone. Tat Mom
• 32:27
  Speaker 1: on even speak to nine one one about her so
• 32:30
  Speaker 1: called missing daughter. You know why, because she knows they're
• 32:34
  Speaker 1: right down the street. Her daughter is in a trash
• 32:38
  Speaker 1: bag where she threw her in a swampy area. Take
• 32:44
  Speaker 1: a listener more. When they finally get Top Mom, Casey
• 32:48
  Speaker 1: Anthony on the phone, our cut number four, Can you
• 32:51
  Speaker 1: tell me a little bit what's going on? My daughter
• 32:54
  Speaker 1: has been missived for the last thirty one days, and
• 32:59
  Speaker 1: you know who has her? I know who? After I
• 33:02
  Speaker 1: tried to contact her, I actually received a phone call
• 33:05
  Speaker 1: today now from a number of the business no longer
• 33:08
  Speaker 1: in service. I didn't get to speak to my daughter
• 33:10
  Speaker 1: for aboutom moments, about a minute. Okay, did you guys
• 33:13
  Speaker 1: call an import a vehicle? Soone? Um, yes, my mom did. Okay,
• 33:21
  Speaker 1: so there's been a vehicle stone too, No, this was
• 33:24
  Speaker 1: my vehicle? What a vehicle or soon. Um, it's a
• 33:29
  Speaker 1: ninety pnyacsun fire. Okay, I have deputies on the way
• 33:32
  Speaker 1: to you right now for that. But now you're now
• 33:35
  Speaker 1: you're three old, three old. I was missing Kaylee Anthony okay,
• 33:39
  Speaker 1: white female? Yes? Wait? Female three years old eight nine,
• 33:43
  Speaker 1: two thousand five or day to birth? Yeah, And you
• 33:46
  Speaker 1: last saw her a month ago, thirty one days from
• 33:50
  Speaker 1: thirty one days, Steve Helen, people dot com. Do you
• 33:54
  Speaker 1: notice how calm she is on the phone as a
• 33:59
  Speaker 1: compared to her mother, Cindy Anthony, who can barely even
• 34:04
  Speaker 1: speak and everything she says is a lie. There was
• 34:07
  Speaker 1: no phone call from Zanai Gonzalez, there was no fake
• 34:11
  Speaker 1: phone number. She did not speak to Keney. Based on
• 34:13
  Speaker 1: what the medical examiner said, Kenney was long dead, and
• 34:17
  Speaker 1: she did not report her own car stolen because she
• 34:22
  Speaker 1: abandoned it because it smelled like a dead body. Why
• 34:27
  Speaker 1: would you lie to nine one one about your car
• 34:31
  Speaker 1: being stolen and about a fake phone call? I mean,
• 34:34
  Speaker 1: it's astonishing when you get down to it, not just
• 34:36
  Speaker 1: how many lies there are and how she piles them
• 34:39
  Speaker 1: on top of each other, but how calmly she says them,
• 34:43
  Speaker 1: how definitively she says them. You know, whenever you hear
• 34:47
  Speaker 1: Casey there for a second of like, oh wait, maybe
• 34:50
  Speaker 1: could that be true? Because I'm so convinced that herself,
• 34:55
  Speaker 1: I think that she's telling you, but it's all a lie,
• 34:59
  Speaker 1: you know, and I didn't stop lying. We clearly she
• 35:02
  Speaker 1: hasn't stopped mine to this day. Take a listen to
• 35:05
  Speaker 1: our cut twenty two. We're back to the present day
• 35:08
  Speaker 1: and top mom in a bar fight. Casey and Thelma
• 35:12
  Speaker 1: Moya were reportedly friends before they ended up in an
• 35:15
  Speaker 1: altercation over the same guy. I don't that's the woman
• 35:23
  Speaker 1: who allegedly threw a drink at Anthony was not charged.
• 35:27
  Speaker 1: She says the argument was about much more than an
• 35:29
  Speaker 1: ex boyfriend, but she wouldn't elaborate. This woman is willing
• 35:34
  Speaker 1: to take down anybody to save her own skin, including
• 35:40
  Speaker 1: her own family. Take a listen to our cut fourteen.
• 35:44
  Speaker 1: This is her father, George Anthony speaking to our friend
• 35:50
  Speaker 1: doctor Phil and if this scenario that Casey had had
• 35:56
  Speaker 1: told to her defense about Kaylee drowning, and why go
• 36:01
  Speaker 1: through all this elaborate stuff to tap her up, to
• 36:05
  Speaker 1: put her in a launder bag, to put her in
• 36:08
  Speaker 1: aid a trash bag, and carry her in the woods.
• 36:11
  Speaker 1: I can't comprehend a human doing it, especially your daughter
• 36:16
  Speaker 1: doing that to my granddaughter. I can't. I can't visualize that.
• 36:23
  Speaker 1: I don't want to visualize that. You can hear the
• 36:27
  Speaker 1: heartbreak and his voice and his wife, Cindy's who I
• 36:31
  Speaker 1: believe or portrayed very badly in the press. I've met
• 36:36
  Speaker 1: with them and I believe that they're very good people
• 36:40
  Speaker 1: that have really been to hell and back. Now what
• 36:45
  Speaker 1: did top mom Casey Anthony have to say? Listen to
• 36:49
  Speaker 1: our cut six. This is NBC's program. Listen. Kaylee went
• 36:55
  Speaker 1: missing in June two thousand and eight, but had been
• 36:57
  Speaker 1: missing for a month before her mother contacted police. Casey
• 37:02
  Speaker 1: Anthony was eventually charged in her disappearance. Police later finding
• 37:06
  Speaker 1: Kayley's remains in a wooded area near the family's home.
• 37:10
  Speaker 1: Anthony says the last time she saw Kayley, she believed
• 37:14
  Speaker 1: that she was alive and that she was going to
• 37:16
  Speaker 1: be Okay, give me this is who when things went wrong?
• 37:19
  Speaker 1: One of the things you were wrong. All of a sudden,
• 37:22
  Speaker 1: It's like, where's Kayley? Like? Is that hell? It? One know?
• 37:26
  Speaker 1: What I remember is being in bed, my mom coming
• 37:33
  Speaker 1: in before she left her work and saying goodbye to us,
• 37:39
  Speaker 1: and then waking up several hours later and morning hour
• 37:46
  Speaker 1: two hours later, not knowing where she was. Don't you
• 37:49
  Speaker 1: wish you know what happened? Absolutely? I mean, Steve Helling.
• 37:56
  Speaker 1: Now the story is she went to sleep and woke
• 37:57
  Speaker 1: up and ky Elly was missing. I mean, the story
• 38:00
  Speaker 1: has seen so many times. Who Kaye should crack at
• 38:03
  Speaker 1: this point, Nancy, what we do know and what everybody knows,
• 38:06
  Speaker 1: is that Kaylee, you know, is dead. She died and
• 38:11
  Speaker 1: her mother should have known what happened, and her mother
• 38:14
  Speaker 1: should have been there to protect her and clearly was not.
• 38:18
  Speaker 1: At this point, I don't even it's something. I don't
• 38:21
  Speaker 1: care what happened. It almost doesn't matter what happened. We
• 38:24
  Speaker 1: know that it's something wrong and it resulted in Kaylee's death,
• 38:29
  Speaker 1: and no amount of backpacking and lying is going to
• 38:32
  Speaker 1: change that fact. We now know that top mom, Casey Anthony,
• 38:36
  Speaker 1: still living in South Florida. She's gotten a new tattoo
• 38:40
  Speaker 1: to cover up her old tattoo that said the beautiful
• 38:45
  Speaker 1: life Bella Vita. She got that tattoo just two weeks
• 38:52
  Speaker 1: after she says her daughter went missing. You know, sometimes
• 38:56
  Speaker 1: there is no Justice, Nancy Grace Come Stories, signing off
• 39:01
  Speaker 1: goodbye friend,