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Grabbing Life by the Pancake Balls with Kathleen Day, Founder of Katalina’s · The Keri Croft Show

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  SPEAKER_01: Hey there, you beautiful badass.
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  SPEAKER_01: Badass.
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  SPEAKER_01: Welcome to the Carrie Croft Show.
• 1:16
  SPEAKER_01: Kathleen Day.
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  SPEAKER_01: You little you're little minks, I can already tell.
• 1:22
  SPEAKER_01: No, I we're gonna fit, we're gonna get we're gonna try to figure it out.
• 1:26
  SPEAKER_01: I have a feeling this onion's got a lot of layers.
• 1:29
  SPEAKER_01: Something tells me, but I just want to enjoy this moment with you and get to know you.
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  SPEAKER_01: And I don't want there to be any like, you know, nervousness about anything else.
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  SPEAKER_01: It doesn't really matter, right?
• 1:39
  SPEAKER_02: No, I'm I am not nervous and I'm a very forthright person.
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  SPEAKER_01: Good.
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  SPEAKER_01: Well, Kathleen Day, welcome to the Carrie Cross Show.
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  SPEAKER_01: I'm so excited.
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  SPEAKER_01: Or should I say Catalina?
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  SPEAKER_03: Either way.
• 1:49
  SPEAKER_01: Your alter ego.
• 1:50
  SPEAKER_01: Is that what this is?
• 1:52
  SPEAKER_03: That's my alter ego, yes.
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  SPEAKER_01: Okay, so like I was just telling you, I don't know that I've been this piqued about a guest ever.
• 1:59
  SPEAKER_01: Because some of the things you put on your intake form, I was like, wait, this can't be true.
• 2:03
  SPEAKER_01: Like, is she for real, especially around the music stuff?
• 2:07
  SPEAKER_01: So I don't know when or if we're gonna get to the restaurant stuff.
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  SPEAKER_01: We'll we'll we'll we'll dabble.
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  SPEAKER_01: But I mean, you know, you can hit the Google machine on a lot of things, but I just want to I need to start with some of these one-liners that you said about who you've spent time with.
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  SPEAKER_01: So Okay, you made dinner for no no doubt, which is really cool.
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  SPEAKER_01: Really cool.
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  SPEAKER_01: When eat it.
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  SPEAKER_02: No, she did not.
• 2:31
  SPEAKER_02: Um, I don't know, I didn't sign an NDA with her, so I'll just say, uh, you want to hear the story?
• 2:35
  SPEAKER_02: Yes.
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  SPEAKER_02: So I when I lived in San Francisco, I lived in an old Victorian, and my landlord lived on the first floor, and he was the kookiest guy ever.
• 2:44
  SPEAKER_02: And he had been their producer in the early days, and he knew I loved to cook.
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  SPEAKER_02: Like the night before, he says, You're gonna make dinner for no doubt.
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  SPEAKER_02: I knew that he knew them, right?
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  SPEAKER_02: He had already told me, you know, a bunch about them.
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  SPEAKER_02: And I'm like, okay, and I'm like thinking of all this fabulous stuff I can make.
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  SPEAKER_02: He's like, steak, potatoes, green beans.
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  SPEAKER_02: I'm like, boring, but that's what they wanted.
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  SPEAKER_02: So I did it.
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  SPEAKER_02: And uh, so go downstairs after I made all the dinner, you know, I'm mingling with this gorgeous woman.
• 3:15
  SPEAKER_02: I'm just like, I'm like, I have never seen someone so gorgeous in my life.
• 3:20
  SPEAKER_02: Then I go, holy shit, this is Gwen.
• 3:23
  SPEAKER_02: She looked so different in person because she didn't have her extensions and you know, not as much makeup, and she's really short.
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  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, like you always think these stars are so big.
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  SPEAKER_02: So I literally like I never get starstruck because I used to work with a lot of models and everything, but I was like, exited immediately, went and hung out with the band in the back room, and they were awesome, and I was all cool.
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  SPEAKER_02: So but she did not eat.
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  SPEAKER_01: Really?
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  SPEAKER_01: That doesn't surprise me.
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  SPEAKER_01: That's why I asked.
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  SPEAKER_01: Okay, the little bitch kitty.
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  SPEAKER_01: Okay, you played pool with Chris Cornell.
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  SPEAKER_01: I did.
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  SPEAKER_02: And I didn't know the whole time it was Chris Cornell.
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  SPEAKER_01: Okay, but did you know how like that you were in the presence of this?
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  SPEAKER_01: Is he hot?
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  SPEAKER_01: Was he hot in real life?
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  SPEAKER_01: He's very tiny too.
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  SPEAKER_02: Like extremely tiny, yes.
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  SPEAKER_02: And I don't know if I put this in the notes, but so he's teaching me, you know, because my boyfriend's like awesome at pool, and he's like giving me tips.
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  SPEAKER_02: It was just the three of us in this dive bar, but I didn't know who it was.
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  SPEAKER_02: And he literally said to me, Go play some songs on the jukebox.
• 4:22
  SPEAKER_02: Do you like Pearl Jam or uh Soundgarden better?
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  SPEAKER_02: And I'm like, Oh, Pearl Jam.
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  SPEAKER_02: Stop it.
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  SPEAKER_02: Yes.
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  SPEAKER_01: I liked Pearl Jam better too.
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  SPEAKER_01: But man, he I used to have a poster of him in college.
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  SPEAKER_01: I mean, I thought he was like about it.
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  SPEAKER_02: Well, I was used to seeing him with long hair, and this is before social, so you know, it wasn't like faces weren't everywhere.
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  SPEAKER_02: But at the end of the night, he goes, Do you know who I am?
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  SPEAKER_02: And I'm like, No.
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  SPEAKER_02: And he pulls out his driver's license, and I'm like, Are you kidding me?
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  SPEAKER_02: Exits and we go up to the bartender.
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  SPEAKER_02: Was that really Chris Cornell?
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  SPEAKER_02: He's like, Yeah, he comes in here all the time.
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  SPEAKER_01: That's incredible.
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  SPEAKER_01: Okay, as if that weren't enough to like blow your mind.
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  SPEAKER_01: And anyone from that era that knows these people are like, Are you kidding me?
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  SPEAKER_01: Um, you ate pizza with Peter Bach?
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  SPEAKER_01: I did.
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  SPEAKER_01: I did.
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  SPEAKER_01: Did you know it was Peter Bach?
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  SPEAKER_02: Oh, yeah.
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  SPEAKER_02: So I I would move to Seattle after grad school, and I was serving at this famous pizza place out there, Zeke's Pizza, and I had been obsessed with REM.
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  SPEAKER_02: Like, I lived in Paris between undergrad and grad school, and I knew REM was touring, and I pounded the streets.
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  SPEAKER_02: I had the biggest crush on Michael Stipe, and I have great gaitar.
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  SPEAKER_02: So that was ironic.
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  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_02: Um, pounded the streets looking for them.
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  SPEAKER_02: And so then when I moved to Seattle, I'm like, I heard Peter Buck owns the crocodile, so maybe he'll be around here.
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  SPEAKER_02: So as I'm serving, I'm waiting tables.
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  SPEAKER_02: There he is.
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  SPEAKER_02: I'm like, guys, I am clocking out, and I went up to him and I said, I'm your biggest fan ever.
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  SPEAKER_02: Can I please talk to you?
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  SPEAKER_02: And he let me sit down and eat pizza with him.
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  SPEAKER_02: He was so gracious.
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  SPEAKER_02: He was so awesome.
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  SPEAKER_02: Before cell phones, of course.
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  SPEAKER_02: So no pictures or anything.
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  SPEAKER_02: Just my word.
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  SPEAKER_01: Is this before you spent over two months' rent on a ticket to see them?
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  SPEAKER_02: After, after.
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  SPEAKER_02: When I was in grad school, I literally made I had a um TA, you know, I was a TA, so I think I got made$800 a month.
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  SPEAKER_02: My writ was like$100 a month.
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  SPEAKER_02: Of course, this was eons ago.
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  SPEAKER_02: And I had a friend who worked in Nashville and knew that they were um coming and he could get front row tickets.
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  SPEAKER_02: So my boyfriend and I paid$500 for each for two front row tickets, and I do not regret it at all.
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  SPEAKER_02: Like literally, I paid$1,000 on my credit card when I made$800 a month.
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  SPEAKER_01: And it was totally worth it.
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  SPEAKER_01: Totally worth it.
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  SPEAKER_01: What what are your if you had to take top three songs from REM?
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  SPEAKER_02: Oh, that's good.
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  SPEAKER_02: Um King of Birds, for sure.
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  SPEAKER_02: I like old REM.
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  SPEAKER_02: Um, Gardening at Night, I love.
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  SPEAKER_02: And let's see.
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  SPEAKER_02: I like Exhuming McCarthy, and that's such a random song to like, but I just love it.
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  SPEAKER_02: I just remember pounding the pavement when I used to be a runner to that song.
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  SPEAKER_02: Bump, bump, bump.
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  SPEAKER_02: Right.
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  SPEAKER_01: Where did they lose it for you?
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  SPEAKER_01: Like what was your least favorite?
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  SPEAKER_02: Um, After Green.
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  SPEAKER_02: I mean, I did still like them.
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  SPEAKER_02: You know, I like losing my religion and all those.
• 7:08
  SPEAKER_02: Um uh what's the one about the comedian?
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  SPEAKER_02: I like that one too.
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  SPEAKER_02: Um, but yeah, after green, they weren't quite as good.
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  SPEAKER_02: But now, if they would have a reunion tour, I would you sell your whole life.
• 7:21
  SPEAKER_02: Oh my gosh, I probably would.
• 7:23
  SPEAKER_01: No, you wouldn't.
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  SPEAKER_01: You almost sold it.
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  SPEAKER_01: I I I read that.
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  SPEAKER_01: No, everyone, yeah, I read this that every in an interview it said would that somebody try to bully you the guy that you're employee, and then you were like, Thank you.
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  SPEAKER_01: I you were really sick at the time.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yes, yes, that is true.
• 7:36
  SPEAKER_01: That is true.
• 7:37
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, and speaking of you being really sick, so you you have like a life-threatening illness.
• 7:42
  SPEAKER_01: I think it's the same thing that Crazy Bone has.
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  SPEAKER_01: Um, really?
• 7:45
  SPEAKER_02: I didn't know that.
• 7:46
  SPEAKER_02: Um, Bernie Mack died of it.
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  SPEAKER_02: It's called sarcadoisis.
• 7:49
  SPEAKER_02: And yeah, it uh affects um people with my northern European heritage and African Americans, not Africans more, and it is a deadly disease.
• 7:58
  SPEAKER_02: I only went to stage two.
• 7:59
  SPEAKER_02: It's kind of like cancer.
• 8:00
  SPEAKER_02: You can go to stage four, and it was super scary.
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  SPEAKER_02: I mean, it it was probably the most definitive uh, you know, event in my life because recovering from that was just awful, you know.
• 8:12
  SPEAKER_02: Do you know, do you just get it out of nowhere?
• 8:14
  SPEAKER_02: They don't know.
• 8:15
  SPEAKER_02: They think it could be autoimmune, but you know what's uh crazy is so I moved here and I lived in German village.
• 8:21
  SPEAKER_02: My first house had black mold in the basement and it's still it mainly affects the lungs.
• 8:26
  SPEAKER_02: I always wonder if that was it.
• 8:28
  SPEAKER_01: Interesting.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_01: And you've you were really open when you were doing your intake form, and the word depression was in multiple places.
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  SPEAKER_01: And I know that this was probably a reason to be very depressed.
• 8:41
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, yes.
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  SPEAKER_01: But you had mentioned that like going all the way back to when you were a wee girl, that you remember having a lot of dysmorphia, depression.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yes.
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  SPEAKER_01: What what do you think was the precipice for all of that?
• 8:53
  SPEAKER_02: Well, depression runs in my family for sure, and we have a lot of suicides in my family.
• 8:58
  SPEAKER_02: In fact, sadly, um, a second cousin just committed suicide from depression.
• 9:04
  SPEAKER_02: And, you know, a lot of people think when you say you have depression that, oh, you're just sad.
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  SPEAKER_02: It is literally a mental illness.
• 9:12
  SPEAKER_02: You know, I have been so depressed before that I have hallucinated.
• 9:15
  SPEAKER_02: I have not been depressed in years.
• 9:17
  SPEAKER_02: Um, thank goodness.
• 9:19
  SPEAKER_02: Um, I'm sure you um would advocate exercise, healthy eating, um, taking care of myself, not overworking.
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  SPEAKER_02: All those things seem to work.
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  SPEAKER_02: So, knock on wood, I feel like I finally tackled this horrible illness.
• 9:34
  SPEAKER_02: And um, I just can't emphasize enough that people need to sympathize with people who truly have severe depression.
• 9:42
  SPEAKER_02: It is a mental illness where you have suicidal ideation, you can't get out of bed, you know.
• 9:49
  SPEAKER_02: Uh, people say, Oh, go for a walk, you'll feel better.
• 9:52
  SPEAKER_02: It just doesn't work that way.
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  SPEAKER_02: And I have read and researched a lot about it.
• 9:56
  SPEAKER_02: I was an English major, I have a voracious reader, and it does, they're not sure why, it does affect people like entrepreneurs more.
• 10:04
  SPEAKER_02: It does affect people who are smarter, have a high IQ, it does affect people who are creative, and I'm intensely creative.
• 10:12
  SPEAKER_02: So, you know, I almost wear it like a badge of honor, even though I would never want it again, because I know, you know, you look throughout history, all these people who Kate Spade, Anthony Bourdain, all these people who are just my idols, they all experience this awful mental illness.
• 10:28
  SPEAKER_01: Well, and I also think people look up to you.
• 10:31
  SPEAKER_01: And so if they hear something like that, whenever you kind of see a crack in someone's veneer, sure, it shows their humanness.
• 10:38
  SPEAKER_01: Sure.
• 10:38
  SPEAKER_01: And it's just important that we can get underneath the hood of people and understand their real human experience as opposed to what we see on the screen or the perception of like the owner of Catalina's.
• 10:49
  SPEAKER_01: Can we talk about the hallucinations?
• 10:51
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, um, you know, I saw one of the best psychiatrists in town when I was going through this.
• 10:56
  SPEAKER_02: It only happened once, but I just remember, you know, after being laying in bed, um, you know, for probably three days, I was reading a book, trying to read, and literally I read all the time, still to this day, and the words just seemed to fall off the page.
• 11:12
  SPEAKER_02: And I was like, if I lose this, you know, I'm doomed.
• 11:16
  SPEAKER_02: And started, you know, hearing music and it it could have been psychosomatic.
• 11:21
  SPEAKER_02: I was reading a lot of Oliver Sachs at the time.
• 11:23
  SPEAKER_02: I don't know if you know who he is.
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  SPEAKER_02: He's a uh the famous psychiatrist who wrote Awakenings, and he had written a lot about how, you know, when you get a song in your ear, like an earworm, um, about how that is, you know, neurological.
• 11:37
  SPEAKER_02: And so it could have been psychosomatic, but I really felt like I was losing it.
• 11:41
  SPEAKER_02: And the next day I went, I said, listen, I've got this isn't working.
• 11:46
  SPEAKER_02: I've got to fix this.
• 11:48
  SPEAKER_02: And fortunately, he tried an antidepressant that happened to work.
• 11:52
  SPEAKER_02: It was a fast-acting antidepressant.
• 11:54
  SPEAKER_02: And I probably wouldn't be so open about this now if I hadn't been probably a decade without this.
• 11:59
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 11:59
  SPEAKER_02: You know, I maybe have had a few glitches here and there, but um, it was it was so life-altering and it did go hand in hand with sarcadoises.
• 12:09
  SPEAKER_02: And they statistically, people who have sarcoisis, I forget the exact percentage, but a majority of people who have sarcoisis also have severe depression.
• 12:19
  SPEAKER_02: And as we learn more and more, as I'm sure you know, you know, stress can, you know, make anything worse and exacerbate your immune system, your brain changes, all these, everything is related.
• 12:32
  SPEAKER_02: And I don't think 10 years ago we even realized how much.
• 12:35
  SPEAKER_02: So I didn't make the connection, but they had to be related.
• 12:39
  SPEAKER_01: Something else you did in your intake form was there's a couple words that you put in all caps, okay, for emphasis.
• 12:47
  SPEAKER_01: And when you said, you know, I had some, I was a while, like I had wild, and you put all caps.
• 12:55
  SPEAKER_01: So that for me is a lead-in for me to ask you.
• 12:58
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know, I've never told you.
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  SPEAKER_01: Well, we're gonna, because I feel I felt like Kathleen's ready to talk about her all caps, wild days.
• 13:07
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, maybe so.
• 13:08
  SPEAKER_01: And judging from what I've read and the energy that I was already receiving from you, which I know sounds weird, but I do feel this.
• 13:15
  SPEAKER_01: Like before a guest comes in, ask Kate.
• 13:18
  SPEAKER_01: I start to like feel the energy, and I kind of like I identify it.
• 13:22
  SPEAKER_01: I'm like, I'm I could be right, I could be wrong, but this woman is layered and complex and fascinating, and her energy is gonna be like palpable.
• 13:31
  SPEAKER_01: So far, I think I'm right.
• 13:33
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, so get let's let's unpack this wild, wild era that you speak of.
• 13:39
  SPEAKER_02: I'd say eras.
• 13:40
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, I always was a straight A student.
• 13:43
  SPEAKER_02: I've always been super responsible.
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  SPEAKER_02: So to me, that's a big dichotomy.
• 13:48
  SPEAKER_02: But I was a wild child in the sense that I drank, I did drugs, I partied.
• 13:54
  SPEAKER_02: And I don't know how I did it because I'd get up and go to, you know, I was still a gymnast when I was 17, underage drinking, and I'd go to gymnastics and work out for five hours.
• 14:04
  SPEAKER_02: I guess that's youth, right?
• 14:06
  SPEAKER_02: But in college, still, I was, you know, the top of my class partying it way too much.
• 14:11
  SPEAKER_02: When I went to Seattle, partying way too much.
• 14:14
  SPEAKER_02: And I don't think I I had a high-profile job at Nordstrom.
• 14:17
  SPEAKER_02: I don't think those folks know that.
• 14:19
  SPEAKER_01: So You can have some remorse.
• 14:21
  SPEAKER_02: You can you can always just I do not recommend it.
• 14:23
  SPEAKER_02: In fact, I have a niece now, and I can kind of see, you know, I'm like, I I do regret it, you know.
• 14:30
  SPEAKER_02: I I think everyone should experience all aspects of life, and I had some great times, but I'm lucky to be here.
• 14:36
  SPEAKER_02: Literally.
• 14:38
  SPEAKER_01: I have a couple moments I look back on, I think the same thing.
• 14:41
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 14:41
  SPEAKER_01: You're not alone.
• 14:42
  SPEAKER_02: Right.
• 14:42
  SPEAKER_01: You're not alone.
• 14:43
  SPEAKER_02: I'm sure, I'm sure.
• 14:44
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 14:44
  SPEAKER_02: Um, literally lucky to be here.
• 14:46
  SPEAKER_02: Fortunately, you know, early in life I knew that I would never do anything illegal, quote unquote, or drink and drive, or be under the influence, but still like some very harrowing stories for sure.
• 14:58
  SPEAKER_01: So are we talking like hard, were you like doing hard drugs all the time, or were you like smoking some weed or like a mix?
• 15:03
  SPEAKER_01: I don't like pot.
• 15:05
  SPEAKER_01: I wish I did.
• 15:06
  SPEAKER_02: All my ex-boyfriends tried to get me to like it.
• 15:08
  SPEAKER_02: I'm talking a lot of Coke.
• 15:09
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I did a lot of Coke.
• 15:10
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 15:10
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 15:11
  SPEAKER_01: I feel you on that.
• 15:12
  SPEAKER_01: Coke era.
• 15:13
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 15:13
  SPEAKER_01: It's it's a it's a fun one.
• 15:15
  SPEAKER_01: It is a fun one.
• 15:16
  SPEAKER_01: But a very damaging, dangerous one.
• 15:17
  SPEAKER_02: But um also some hallucinogens, and that is something I might do again.
• 15:21
  SPEAKER_02: I have not done drugs for decade or more.
• 15:25
  SPEAKER_02: And um, but you know, I'm really reading a lot like about ayahuasca and mushrooms and uh uh uh MDMA.
• 15:33
  SPEAKER_02: I'd do those again like in a therapy type setting, right?
• 15:37
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 15:37
  SPEAKER_02: I've had you wanna go to South America?
• 15:39
  SPEAKER_01: You know, maybe don't stunt me with the good time, Kathleen.
• 15:42
  SPEAKER_01: Um we've had several people on the show talking about this stuff.
• 15:44
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, really?
• 15:45
  SPEAKER_01: And the latest one is Joel Ferno, and he has a hand in trying to get like ibugaine FTA approved or whatever.
• 15:52
  SPEAKER_01: So you should we can send you some um there's but multiple.
• 15:56
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, but uh do you ever worry that it's gonna screw with like all the work you've done, like brain chemistry-wise?
• 16:01
  SPEAKER_02: Well, I actually have an executive coach who's very she's in California, so she's very, you know, on the same page.
• 16:08
  SPEAKER_02: She has a history too, and she's done it a few times, and it was literally, you know, enlightening for her.
• 16:14
  SPEAKER_02: But that is a good question because I used to want to do it to fix my depression, you know.
• 16:20
  SPEAKER_02: But now that I am in such a good place, yeah, maybe I don't, but I feel like had I done it when I was that depressed, I could have had a bad trip.
• 16:27
  SPEAKER_02: Now I feel like I'd be in a great space, and you know, there is healing we can always do.
• 16:32
  SPEAKER_01: So well, it's it is a it's a curiosity that I have too, where I'm like, what what's behind it?
• 16:36
  SPEAKER_01: Like, what would I uncover and what would if what would the experience be?
• 16:40
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 16:40
  SPEAKER_01: So you also mentioned though that you used to drink every day.
• 16:43
  SPEAKER_02: Yes.
• 16:43
  SPEAKER_01: When you say you used to drink every day, was it like I like explain that.
• 16:47
  SPEAKER_01: Like I'd kick back after a long day and I'd have like a glass of wine, or like what was your habit and what were you drinking?
• 16:53
  SPEAKER_02: For sure.
• 16:54
  SPEAKER_02: So I also mentioned, I think that I had an eating disorder.
• 16:57
  SPEAKER_02: And when I was finally over my eating disorder, they say this happens to a lot of people.
• 17:03
  SPEAKER_02: I started when I'd come home from a long day at work, I was in very stressful fashion industry positions my whole life.
• 17:09
  SPEAKER_02: When I'd come home from work, you know, that glass of wine that you think is so glamorous turned into a bottle of wine.
• 17:14
  SPEAKER_02: And I think at one point I went five years with not drinking, only not drinking one night in five years.
• 17:22
  SPEAKER_02: Literally, it becomes, I was never like physically addicted, or I could have been, but so it's a brain thing.
• 17:31
  SPEAKER_02: That that de-stress, it's automatic.
• 17:34
  SPEAKER_02: And when I would not have that glass of wine at night, I'd freak out.
• 17:38
  SPEAKER_02: And so, yeah, never drank at work, never drank and draw drove, you know, except in my party days in college.
• 17:45
  SPEAKER_02: So, what was the turning point?
• 17:46
  SPEAKER_01: What was the day when you were like, okay, this is it?
• 17:48
  SPEAKER_02: Well, I tried a few times and you know, was able to do it, but I was like um biting the bullet, so to speak.
• 17:55
  SPEAKER_02: It was hard.
• 17:56
  SPEAKER_02: And then I finally found this wonderful coach.
• 17:58
  SPEAKER_02: I advocate coaches.
• 18:00
  SPEAKER_02: I even pay for some of my managers to have executive coaches or life coaches, and I'm sure you relate to that, obviously.
• 18:06
  SPEAKER_02: Um, and she helped me retrain my brain.
• 18:10
  SPEAKER_02: And, you know, I I was in therapy for years, and I always thought this cognitive behavioral therapy was so, you know, beneath me.
• 18:17
  SPEAKER_02: I was a Freudian intellectual, you know.
• 18:20
  SPEAKER_02: But once you start learning the neurology behind those brain pathways, you know, I had trained my brain to deal with stress by having a drink.
• 18:30
  SPEAKER_02: And then you start retraining your brain, and I think that helped with my depression too.
• 18:35
  SPEAKER_02: I used to think, oh, everyone says, be thankful, you know, appreciate the good.
• 18:39
  SPEAKER_02: I'm like blah, blah, blah.
• 18:41
  SPEAKER_02: But now I've literally trained my brain and it works.
• 18:45
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 18:45
  SPEAKER_02: It works.
• 18:46
  SPEAKER_02: It's crazy.
• 18:47
  SPEAKER_01: Well, you know, and alcohol's a depressant.
• 18:49
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, totally.
• 18:49
  SPEAKER_01: So that had to be playing, like that had to be playing into the overall malcontent.
• 18:55
  SPEAKER_02: Completely.
• 18:55
  SPEAKER_02: And I didn't believe it, of course.
• 18:57
  SPEAKER_02: You know, I I thought it was de stressing me, but you're right, that could be why I haven't been depressed in so long, too.
• 19:04
  SPEAKER_02: I still drink occasionally, very occasionally, and I know a lot of people can't do that, but I feel like those pathways are trained.
• 19:12
  SPEAKER_02: So, like for a special occasion, I don't even like want to overdrink now.
• 19:15
  SPEAKER_02: It makes me feel gross, you know.
• 19:17
  SPEAKER_02: But um, yeah, definitely.
• 19:19
  SPEAKER_02: And you know, it's so I I'm glad you're asking these questions because I want people to understand this.
• 19:25
  SPEAKER_02: You know, I thought I would never have a problem.
• 19:28
  SPEAKER_02: I didn't end up on the street.
• 19:30
  SPEAKER_02: I still was uber responsible, still never had financial problems, but it was literally ruining my mental health.
• 19:40
  SPEAKER_01: So you know, it's interesting that so many people say that.
• 19:44
  SPEAKER_01: And that reminds me of my friend Hilary Phelps.
• 19:47
  SPEAKER_01: Um, she talks a lot about her.
• 19:49
  SPEAKER_01: She's has a whole podcast on her recovery from alcohol.
• 19:52
  SPEAKER_01: But, you know, we want to disassociate and say, oh, well, I didn't end up in the hood and I didn't do this, because we want to, we want to put a box and say that's that's for other people over here.
• 20:04
  SPEAKER_01: But really, I feel like if you're rationalizing those things, the better way to think about it is like, am I impacting my like being my best self?
• 20:13
  SPEAKER_01: Like I'm not allowing this person to come to fruition and to exist in this world because of the choices I'm making.
• 20:21
  SPEAKER_01: It doesn't matter if you have a good job.
• 20:22
  SPEAKER_01: Exactly.
• 20:23
  SPEAKER_01: Doesn't matter what you look like, exactly, what hood you live in or whatever.
• 20:27
  SPEAKER_01: It's like, is this making me better?
• 20:29
  SPEAKER_01: Yes or no.
• 20:30
  SPEAKER_01: Exactly.
• 20:31
  SPEAKER_02: You you just hit the nail on the head.
• 20:32
  SPEAKER_02: You know, I also used to, you know, it's like you learn the lessons that you're supposed to.
• 20:38
  SPEAKER_02: I used to judge those people who quit drinking, like, you know, they'd be like, it's so much better.
• 20:43
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, sure.
• 20:44
  SPEAKER_02: But it is like I I feel like I'm finally living my best life because I'm not like literally a slave to am I gonna have a drink at night or not?
• 20:55
  SPEAKER_02: You know, and now it just opened up so much space in my life to work on being my best self, like you're saying.
• 21:01
  SPEAKER_01: Did your eating disorder, was that a result of being such a competitive gymnast?
• 21:06
  SPEAKER_02: Um, I think that was the impetus for it.
• 21:09
  SPEAKER_02: Um, because uh one of my coaches, my coaches were wonderful, and this was a different day and age, did say I was, I don't know if you know what a Tsukohara is.
• 21:17
  SPEAKER_02: It was, it's a on the vault, uh you do a backflip, and I wasn't completing the rotation.
• 21:24
  SPEAKER_02: And she said, or he said, maybe if you lose five pounds.
• 21:27
  SPEAKER_02: And so, of course, you know, being the way I am, and I'm sure you're you can relate.
• 21:33
  SPEAKER_02: I if I'm gonna lose five pounds, I'm gonna lose 10 pounds, and et cetera, et cetera.
• 21:37
  SPEAKER_02: It's obviously in my DNA that I am going to take things to the extreme, whatever I do in life, including work.
• 21:43
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 21:44
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 21:45
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, so then were you restricting food?
• 21:49
  SPEAKER_01: Were you bulimic?
• 21:50
  SPEAKER_01: Were you all of the above?
• 21:51
  SPEAKER_01: How long did that last?
• 21:53
  SPEAKER_02: I was anorexic for the majority of the time, but most anorexics eventually do become bulimic.
• 21:59
  SPEAKER_02: I wasn't heavily bulimic.
• 22:00
  SPEAKER_02: But um yeah, mostly just restricting, and I had to quit gymnastics because of it because I got so weak.
• 22:07
  SPEAKER_01: So what's the food relationship today?
• 22:09
  SPEAKER_01: Are you just like good?
• 22:10
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, you're around food, you're around those damn pancake balls.
• 22:13
  SPEAKER_01: I'd be like popping those things in like crazy.
• 22:16
  SPEAKER_02: Well, you definitely get a little tired of them after 15 years.
• 22:19
  SPEAKER_02: But uh that's another great question, of course, Carrie.
• 22:23
  SPEAKER_02: Um, you know, my mother thinks that that is probably why I became so obsessed with food.
• 22:27
  SPEAKER_02: And I also was obsessed with cooking even as a nine-year-old.
• 22:30
  SPEAKER_02: So I think it all is part and parcel, part part and parcel of the same thing.
• 22:36
  SPEAKER_02: But um I literally taught myself, just like with drinking, I didn't realize at the time that I was retraining my brain, but I was like, wouldn't it be cool?
• 22:46
  SPEAKER_02: Like when I so I went to France, undergrad and grad school, and I saw all these women eating normally and they were thin, and I was like, I want to be like that.
• 22:55
  SPEAKER_02: I want to eat when I'm hungry and stop when I'm full.
• 22:58
  SPEAKER_02: So I literally trained my brain.
• 23:00
  SPEAKER_02: And now my friends remark how I have the most healthy relationship with food of anyone.
• 23:05
  SPEAKER_02: I, when I'm hungry, I man, I can eat.
• 23:07
  SPEAKER_02: Very fortunate because I'm a cook, but also, you know, obsessed with organic food and things like that.
• 23:13
  SPEAKER_02: So if it's bad food, I will not eat it, even if I'm hungry, you know?
• 23:17
  SPEAKER_02: And I think that is living your best life.
• 23:19
  SPEAKER_02: I'm not gonna eat No Taco Bell for you.
• 23:22
  SPEAKER_02: Damn it.
• 23:23
  SPEAKER_02: One bean burrito once in a while if I'm desperate, but nothing else.
• 23:27
  SPEAKER_01: I love me some Taco Bell.
• 23:29
  SPEAKER_01: I don't eat it all the time, though.
• 23:30
  SPEAKER_01: You know, like I I try to I try not to be like a a dumpster.
• 23:34
  SPEAKER_01: To each his own.
• 23:35
  SPEAKER_02: My husband is very much a fast food person, and that's something I should not say on here.
• 23:40
  SPEAKER_01: No, you see, she's calling you out.
• 23:42
  SPEAKER_01: What's your husband's name?
• 23:43
  SPEAKER_02: Um, my husband's Turkish.
• 23:44
  SPEAKER_02: His his real name is Mustafa Nile Seaton.
• 23:48
  SPEAKER_01: Mustafa, she's calling you out.
• 23:49
  SPEAKER_01: She's calling you out on the show.
• 23:51
  SPEAKER_02: He goes by Chet.
• 23:52
  SPEAKER_02: He goes by Chet.
• 23:53
  SPEAKER_01: Oh my god, that's the name.
• 23:54
  SPEAKER_01: My name of my my chat GBT is Chet.
• 23:56
  SPEAKER_01: Really?
• 23:57
  SPEAKER_01: That's what I call him, yeah.
• 23:58
  SPEAKER_02: Well, I make fun of him because he he felt like you know, he needed an American name when he moved here.
• 24:03
  SPEAKER_02: And so his last name's Seaton, so he named himself Chet.
• 24:06
  SPEAKER_02: I'm like, you didn't realize that was a frat boy name, right?
• 24:08
  SPEAKER_01: That's amazing.
• 24:09
  SPEAKER_01: I love that.
• 24:10
  SPEAKER_01: So they you know, a lot of times when you have an eating disorder, you love to serve food to people and cook food.
• 24:14
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 24:15
  SPEAKER_01: So was that when you were in the the height of your disorder?
• 24:18
  SPEAKER_01: Did you like to make the food and give it away?
• 24:20
  SPEAKER_01: Exactly.
• 24:21
  SPEAKER_01: Yes, you know it.
• 24:22
  SPEAKER_03: You know it.
• 24:23
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 24:23
  SPEAKER_02: Making coffee cake and cakes for everyone all day and not touching it.
• 24:27
  SPEAKER_02: Not touching one.
• 24:28
  SPEAKER_02: And it's crazy.
• 24:29
  SPEAKER_02: The way your mind works, like so I've researched it a lot, and it is interesting to understand evolutionarily why it's so easy, especially for women to get eating disorders.
• 24:39
  SPEAKER_02: But there is now a lot of women who they're relating to alcohol um abuse, eating disorders, and a lot of us become chefs.
• 24:48
  SPEAKER_01: So interesting.
• 24:50
  SPEAKER_01: So, okay, so you were in Paris, and I was reading on in one of your interviews, you were cooking for was it a duchess and then her mother-in-law, a countess, and then her mother-in-law, and then a marquee.
• 25:02
  SPEAKER_01: Yes.
• 25:02
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, this all sounds so like romantic and otherworldly.
• 25:08
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, it was not romantic.
• 25:09
  SPEAKER_02: I'm sure it wasn't.
• 25:11
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, I always say it was the hardest thing, but I look back on it as the best time.
• 25:17
  SPEAKER_02: You know, I was so poor, it was so hot.
• 25:21
  SPEAKER_02: I lived, you know, in the servants' quarters upstairs.
• 25:24
  SPEAKER_02: I worked till four in the morning.
• 25:26
  SPEAKER_02: But yeah, I look back on it, it's crazy that I got that job.
• 25:31
  SPEAKER_02: Like, it's crazy.
• 25:32
  SPEAKER_02: Like, literally in a chateau in Grenobla cooking for this aristocratic family.
• 25:39
  SPEAKER_02: It was insane.
• 25:40
  SPEAKER_02: How were they?
• 25:42
  SPEAKER_02: They were very nice, but a little cray.
• 25:44
  SPEAKER_02: And I I don't think they'll see this.
• 25:46
  SPEAKER_02: Actually, I tr once social media got going, I reached out to them and they were like, Oh, really?
• 25:52
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I mean, I'm a commoner, I think, you know.
• 25:55
  SPEAKER_02: I I don't know, I don't know enough about it.
• 25:57
  SPEAKER_02: All I know is what I experienced.
• 26:00
  SPEAKER_02: The the countess herself was so lovely, and I feel like she was very isolated.
• 26:06
  SPEAKER_02: So I was like her buddy.
• 26:08
  SPEAKER_02: Like, but then also, like, literally, this is a true story.
• 26:11
  SPEAKER_02: She took me to Chanel and I was so intimidated because of course I had like three shirts, you know.
• 26:17
  SPEAKER_02: I'm like, I can't go in there.
• 26:18
  SPEAKER_02: She's like, well, wait out here.
• 26:19
  SPEAKER_02: So she goes in Chanel to get her like seasonal outfit, and I wander down the street a little, she takes a whistle out and blows the whistle for me to come back.
• 26:30
  SPEAKER_02: It was crazy.
• 26:35
  SPEAKER_01: There you go.
• 26:36
  SPEAKER_01: Did you cook like nor like French food probably?
• 26:39
  SPEAKER_01: But were their meals always decadent and over the top, and like you set the table with the, you know, the 10 plates and the 15 utensils?
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• 28:09
  SPEAKER_02: For the marquee, yeah.
• 28:10
  SPEAKER_02: Not fit.
• 28:11
  SPEAKER_02: No, no, it was much more laid back than you'd think.
• 28:13
  SPEAKER_02: But yes, wine with every meal, and you know, um five or six courses with every meal, but you know, like weeknights were just pretty normal, you know.
• 28:23
  SPEAKER_02: So, but yes, just and learning how they, you know, going to the market every day and getting that fresh food and learning how to cook so simply, that was so pivotal, pivotal in my experience.
• 28:35
  SPEAKER_01: You know what else was pivotal with your experience and Perry Sinead O'Connor.
• 28:40
  SPEAKER_01: Yes, yes.
• 28:41
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 28:41
  SPEAKER_01: Like this is the that this is the bullet point that I saw, and I was like, damn it.
• 28:47
  SPEAKER_01: I am such a Sinead stan.
• 28:51
  SPEAKER_01: Oh like I can't even tell you.
• 28:52
  SPEAKER_01: I knew we'd I love are you are you like super into her music?
• 28:55
  SPEAKER_01: Like Black Boys on Mopeds.
• 28:57
  SPEAKER_03: Oh, yes.
• 28:58
  SPEAKER_01: Young mother down it.
• 29:00
  SPEAKER_01: Smith failed, 5 a.m.
• 29:04
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, I love it.
• 29:06
  SPEAKER_01: I'm gonna cry.
• 29:07
  SPEAKER_01: That was pretty good.
• 29:08
  SPEAKER_01: But that quote in these are dangerous days to say what you feel is to lay your own grave.
• 29:13
  SPEAKER_01: Oh my gosh.
• 29:14
  SPEAKER_01: For the time we're in, right?
• 29:15
  SPEAKER_01: It gives me actually goosebumps.
• 29:16
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, totally.
• 29:17
  SPEAKER_01: These are dangerous days to say what you feel is to lay your own grave.
• 29:22
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, she was so, I have like she was so ahead of her time.
• 29:25
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, yeah.
• 29:25
  SPEAKER_01: I'll never forget I was dating my first boyfriend.
• 29:28
  SPEAKER_01: I heard nothing compares to you.
• 29:30
  SPEAKER_01: It fucking rocked my shit in a way and never stopped rocking it.
• 29:34
  SPEAKER_01: And I have been, and then the reason why I fell so in love with Dolores O'Reard and from the cranberries is because of that sort of parallel.
• 29:41
  SPEAKER_01: Now they're both gone.
• 29:43
  SPEAKER_01: Well, they both were artists.
• 29:45
  SPEAKER_01: They were both very, you know, whatever.
• 29:47
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, I could sit and talk to you about Sinead and Dolores, like for an you know, ad nauseum.
• 29:53
  SPEAKER_03: I love it.
• 29:54
  SPEAKER_03: Oh, weird.
• 29:54
  SPEAKER_01: What's another what's another major uh Sinead song that you love?
• 29:58
  SPEAKER_01: Uh Mandica, of course.
• 30:00
  SPEAKER_00: You know, you're good.
• 30:09
  SPEAKER_02: Don't get oh oh what's another one?
• 30:11
  SPEAKER_02: Um, what's the one about the waiting room?
• 30:14
  SPEAKER_02: Um, this is the last day of our acquaintance.
• 30:16
  SPEAKER_02: I love that.
• 30:17
  SPEAKER_00: Don't days and days off.
• 30:21
  SPEAKER_00: Friendship has been stale.
• 30:24
  SPEAKER_01: And ours is not.
• 30:25
  SPEAKER_01: Ours is fresh, hot and popping.
• 30:28
  SPEAKER_00: And since then you have taken me for granted.
• 30:35
  SPEAKER_00: And then she fucking rips into it.
• 30:37
  SPEAKER_01: She rips into it.
• 30:40
  SPEAKER_01: Sorry.
• 30:40
  SPEAKER_01: Statsing.
• 30:42
  SPEAKER_01: She's like, what song is this?
• 30:44
  SPEAKER_01: I'm gonna go home and Google this.
• 30:49
  SPEAKER_01: That shit is so fucking good.
• 30:52
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, insane.
• 30:53
  SPEAKER_01: I'm gonna have to listen to it now when I get in my car.
• 30:56
  SPEAKER_01: There's a couple more, but like young or black boys on mopeds, like I will listen to that probably, and it's so weird whenever I'm running or walking.
• 31:03
  SPEAKER_01: And I'll be like right in the middle of a hip-hop like jag, and I'm like, I need to hear black boys on mopeds because it's so fucking good.
• 31:11
  SPEAKER_01: The inspirational be on the long distance fist bomb.
• 31:14
  SPEAKER_01: You and I could just we could just hang out sometime and like literally like please sing lyrics.
• 31:19
  SPEAKER_01: I love it.
• 31:19
  SPEAKER_01: It was so great.
• 31:20
  SPEAKER_01: So tell me, what it what was it like seeing her in concert?
• 31:23
  SPEAKER_02: Okay, so I clarified with my sister.
• 31:25
  SPEAKER_02: I got a little confused.
• 31:27
  SPEAKER_02: I don't want to misrepresent here.
• 31:29
  SPEAKER_02: We saw Prince in Paris and he sang, nothing compares to you because he had to make it clear to everyone, of course, that he wrote it.
• 31:36
  SPEAKER_02: And then she came and we did not get tickets.
• 31:39
  SPEAKER_02: We stood outside the stadium and just listened.
• 31:42
  SPEAKER_02: Oh which I mean, oh my god, I bet that I bet that was like it was amazing.
• 31:49
  SPEAKER_01: There's one more song that I need to, I just want to make sure I want to talk about with you.
• 31:52
  SPEAKER_02: Is it the one about her miscarriage?
• 31:54
  SPEAKER_02: That one's a three babies.
• 31:56
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, that's a tough one.
• 32:00
  SPEAKER_01: That one is very close, near and dear to my heart, because I had three girls.
• 32:03
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, and I lost them all.
• 32:04
  SPEAKER_01: And so I like I literally, like when I I'll get in my car sometimes, I'll put that thing on and I'll just be like, holy shit.
• 32:11
  SPEAKER_02: Miscarriages?
• 32:12
  SPEAKER_01: Well, so I had two no two stillborns and then one lived in the NICU jade for 16 days.
• 32:18
  SPEAKER_01: I'm so you don't you don't really know, you don't really know.
• 32:21
  SPEAKER_01: We're really we're going from zero to a hundred here, yeah.
• 32:23
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, I've never told anyone, probably, but my husband and sister, I had a miscarriage too.
• 32:27
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 32:28
  SPEAKER_01: It's like it's so common.
• 32:29
  SPEAKER_01: I know, and women don't really talk, you know.
• 32:31
  SPEAKER_01: So I've I've been very open about it on the show.
• 32:33
  SPEAKER_01: That's great.
• 32:34
  SPEAKER_01: Um, so it took me a long time to have this little rascal that keeps coming in here, and then Kyle we had via surrogate.
• 32:40
  SPEAKER_01: So now what I do in my spare time is I uh I try to help people find um their surrogate.
• 32:46
  SPEAKER_01: I love it.
• 32:46
  SPEAKER_01: So like I just had a call yesterday with an intended parent and a surrogate, and then I have a great network of OBs and like Dr.
• 32:52
  SPEAKER_01: Kim Shepard, who's like my angel on earth.
• 32:55
  SPEAKER_01: Um you don't really know.
• 32:57
  SPEAKER_01: I I I try not to too much anymore.
• 33:00
  SPEAKER_01: Like I try to be very strategic about what I'm doing, but um, while I have time left, you know, on this patch of land, I'm gonna really try to, you know, be as precise and um performance-based and leave a legacy and teach these little boogers how to walk through this crazy world.
• 33:18
  SPEAKER_01: I love it.
• 33:19
  SPEAKER_01: You know, I love it.
• 33:20
  SPEAKER_01: Um okay, but not only Paris, but Nolan, Seattle, like you've lived in like all these mmm like great cities that are known for their culinary like you know prowess.
• 33:32
  SPEAKER_01: Very fortunate.
• 33:32
  SPEAKER_01: So what's the tip top if you had to pick one one top one city, tip top?
• 33:37
  SPEAKER_02: Um, I mean, I think I liked Seattle the best as far as living there, even though I think you might have heard I love Columbus almost as much now, or probably more.
• 33:45
  SPEAKER_02: And then, but for food, definitely New Orleans.
• 33:48
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, there's just it's like another country, you know.
• 33:51
  SPEAKER_02: Have you been?
• 33:52
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, yeah.
• 33:52
  SPEAKER_01: But I was I was you don't want to know what I did in New Orleans.
• 33:56
  SPEAKER_02: Well, we probably did similar things, but also I was fortunate because I was dating a guy there, so I literally like got the inside scoop on things because there's a tourist New Orleans and a non-tourist New Orleans.
• 34:06
  SPEAKER_01: So yeah, so great.
• 34:08
  SPEAKER_01: How often do you get back there?
• 34:09
  SPEAKER_02: Not much because my mom moved, she lived there 25 years and now she moved.
• 34:13
  SPEAKER_02: So I need to go back for sure.
• 34:15
  SPEAKER_02: And uh Chet and I had our marriage there.
• 34:17
  SPEAKER_02: So cool.
• 34:18
  SPEAKER_02: We might eventually like actually sign on the dotted line and do another one.
• 34:22
  SPEAKER_02: I'll invite you.
• 34:22
  SPEAKER_02: I'll be a bridesmaid at that point.
• 34:24
  SPEAKER_02: Don't worry.
• 34:25
  SPEAKER_01: Don't worry, I'm already hold on, I'm already going to Amazon to see if they have any chiffon.
• 34:30
  SPEAKER_02: Well, it wouldn't be a chiffon style wedding if you get my dress.
• 34:34
  SPEAKER_01: Well, but I'll just wear a chiffon.
• 34:35
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, yeah.
• 34:35
  SPEAKER_01: And then that would make it be even better for it.
• 34:37
  SPEAKER_01: Perfect.
• 34:37
  SPEAKER_01: It would be better.
• 34:38
  SPEAKER_01: So let's talk about Catalina's a little bit because I mean, you are a fiery, spicy entrepreneur.
• 34:44
  SPEAKER_01: Uh, the restaurant business, she ain't easy.
• 34:46
  SPEAKER_01: No.
• 34:46
  SPEAKER_01: Her profit margins, a slam.
• 34:49
  SPEAKER_01: Lower than ever.
• 34:50
  SPEAKER_01: So you have to really love the shit out of what you're doing.
• 34:55
  SPEAKER_01: Um, and I mean, your branding, what you've done, the community aspect.
• 34:59
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, you you have crushed it, but I'm sure it hasn't always felt that way.
• 35:02
  SPEAKER_03: No.
• 35:03
  SPEAKER_01: Uh, I know you've had some, you know, tumultuous times, as do we all.
• 35:07
  SPEAKER_01: Where are you now?
• 35:08
  SPEAKER_02: Um, I mean, I think I've mentioned a few times that it's the toughest time for restaurants, even as tough as COVID.
• 35:14
  SPEAKER_02: People aren't eating out as much.
• 35:16
  SPEAKER_02: You know, it used to be easy to make a profit if you were doing things right, but now you've got to crunch everything.
• 35:22
  SPEAKER_02: People are so price resistant, but our prices have gone up more than ever.
• 35:26
  SPEAKER_02: Um, you know, this winter is really tough.
• 35:28
  SPEAKER_02: So, you know, it breaks my heart, but you have to make hard decisions.
• 35:31
  SPEAKER_02: And if you're not making the sales, sometimes lay a few people off.
• 35:34
  SPEAKER_02: I'm very, you know, quote unquote good at knowing what I need to do to get through tough times.
• 35:41
  SPEAKER_02: So I'm very excited that I know we'll make it, but it's just, it's tough for sure.
• 35:46
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 35:46
  SPEAKER_02: You still love it.
• 35:48
  SPEAKER_02: I still love it.
• 35:48
  SPEAKER_02: I'm sure you're the same way.
• 35:50
  SPEAKER_02: I am so fortunate to get to do what I or love what I do every day.
• 35:55
  SPEAKER_02: And, you know, I was telling one of my managers, it doesn't mean, you know, I like sitting down and looking at spreadsheets for an hour.
• 36:02
  SPEAKER_02: You know, of course there are aspects of any job you don't like.
• 36:05
  SPEAKER_02: And sometimes 12-hour day is like a 12-hour day.
• 36:08
  SPEAKER_02: But I I feel, especially because Columbus has so embraced Catalina's, like, like you said, I want to leave a legacy, even if it's not my personal legacy.
• 36:17
  SPEAKER_02: Catalina's is a legacy brand, and Columbus has been so supportive, you know.
• 36:21
  SPEAKER_02: So it's we've got to make it through this tough time and get out on the other side and you know, leave Catalina's in Columbus's hands.
• 36:29
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 36:29
  SPEAKER_01: So is that what you're like?
• 36:30
  SPEAKER_01: So right now that's really your focus is like, let's get, you know, healthier, back to stable.
• 36:36
  SPEAKER_01: Um, you're not really thinking about growing that.
• 36:39
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, you are, you're always thinking of those things, but maybe right now you're just kind of thinking status quo.
• 36:44
  SPEAKER_02: Status quo.
• 36:44
  SPEAKER_02: I was on to open number four right before, you know, the economic downturn.
• 36:49
  SPEAKER_02: And you know, I say economic downturn, and some people are like the stock market's doing great, but that doesn't mean that there are other aren't other issues.
• 36:57
  SPEAKER_02: But um uh just to be clear though, Catalina's is very healthy, especially my first two locations.
• 37:03
  SPEAKER_02: I think uh Bexley's gonna take a little time to get its footing, but you know, if if you run your numbers correctly, you're going to have a healthy business.
• 37:12
  SPEAKER_02: It's just making a lot of tough decisions.
• 37:14
  SPEAKER_01: So if you live in Bexley, where where is it in Bexley?
• 37:17
  SPEAKER_02: Um, it's on Main Street, East Main Street.
• 37:19
  SPEAKER_02: It's more toward Whiteall, I think.
• 37:22
  SPEAKER_02: Um so getting the word out there and Pay Bexley.
• 37:25
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 37:25
  SPEAKER_01: Have you had the you have you had the pancake balls?
• 37:28
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, you're missing out seriously.
• 37:30
  SPEAKER_01: Because I I just think Columbus is very special.
• 37:33
  SPEAKER_01: There are so many hidden gems, and you're not hidden anymore, but you're a gem.
• 37:37
  SPEAKER_01: And I think we should all, especially like if you know, like not that you're struggling, but like you're not in the, you know, you're not exactly where you want to be.
• 37:45
  SPEAKER_01: Um, I feel like we all can like get, you know, just get our asses in the seats.
• 37:50
  SPEAKER_02: Yes, yes.
• 37:51
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, if if people want small independent restaurants to be around, we're going to have to make some shifts because you see, like 15 years that I've been open is for a restaurant, that is a lot of time.
• 38:04
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 38:04
  SPEAKER_02: A lot of restaurants that I just feel for these people, they they come around, they're popular, and then they fail.
• 38:10
  SPEAKER_02: And it's that's a hit, huge hit.
• 38:13
  SPEAKER_02: So, you know, there are a lot of models in other countries that we could be looking to.
• 38:17
  SPEAKER_02: And I think COVID did was a great model because we supported small businesses through some government intervention.
• 38:23
  SPEAKER_02: And, you know, a lot of people toss that off.
• 38:25
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, you you guys got a a free loan or whatever.
• 38:28
  SPEAKER_02: Well, we sustained ourselves because of those loans, and we could pay our employees so that we had people had jobs, you know.
• 38:37
  SPEAKER_02: Small businesses support more jobs combined than big corporations do.
• 38:43
  SPEAKER_02: So we've got to support these small businesses to have a thriving economy so that people can eat out.
• 38:48
  SPEAKER_02: Hell yes.
• 38:50
  SPEAKER_02: Can I get a Amen?
• 38:53
  SPEAKER_01: Can I get a hallelujah?
• 38:55
  SPEAKER_01: What's your favorite restaurant in German village?
• 38:57
  SPEAKER_03: Well, it was Chapman's, but bye-bye, Chapman's.
• 39:00
  SPEAKER_01: Wait, yeah.
• 39:02
  SPEAKER_01: Where am I?
• 39:04
  SPEAKER_01: Wait a minute.
• 39:04
  SPEAKER_01: I'm so confused.
• 39:06
  SPEAKER_01: So who who's your best, like who's your favorite now?
• 39:09
  SPEAKER_02: I love jeans in Dublin, and I haven't been to Metsy's, but I'm sure it'll be as amazing as Chapman's.
• 39:15
  SPEAKER_02: And then I do love Cinto.
• 39:16
  SPEAKER_02: I've never been uh a huge frequenter of Cameron Mitchell restaurants, but um Does it feel too big for you?
• 39:23
  SPEAKER_02: They feel too big, but Cinto is just it, it feels perfect.
• 39:27
  SPEAKER_02: It's you know, like an old school Italian hidden away place that's still bustling and great.
• 39:33
  SPEAKER_02: And it's dark and moody.
• 39:35
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I love it.
• 39:35
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, you know why was really sad?
• 39:37
  SPEAKER_01: R I P G Michaels.
• 39:38
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 39:39
  SPEAKER_01: I love my husband and I love you'd love Cinto.
• 39:42
  SPEAKER_02: It's very I've been there, yeah.
• 39:43
  SPEAKER_02: I've been to Cinto.
• 39:44
  SPEAKER_01: Um, but I I loved so many things about G.
• 39:47
  SPEAKER_01: Michaels.
• 39:47
  SPEAKER_01: I was so sad to see it.
• 39:49
  SPEAKER_01: What would you say to like a young restauranteur, like somebody who wants to like be the you or be the Cameron or be the whomever?
• 39:57
  SPEAKER_01: Like, what would you say to them right now?
• 39:58
  SPEAKER_01: What would be like the best advice?
• 40:00
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, sadly, the best advice is to be prepared to have the finances that can keep you running in hard times, you know.
• 40:09
  SPEAKER_02: Unfortunately, the profit margin is so small in restaurants that a lot of people don't keep that backup.
• 40:14
  SPEAKER_02: And I've been very conservative over the years financially in order to make it through tough times.
• 40:19
  SPEAKER_01: Who do you look up to the most in terms of like the small business type restaurant bar?
• 40:25
  SPEAKER_01: You know, I know you liked um the owner of Betty's because I had seen that, you know, and I used to love Betty's.
• 40:30
  SPEAKER_01: Betty's had such a vibe.
• 40:31
  SPEAKER_01: Totally.
• 40:32
  SPEAKER_01: Surly girl kind of vibe, right?
• 40:33
  SPEAKER_02: Did you know that Surly Girl used to do punk crock aerobics?
• 40:36
  SPEAKER_02: I used to go.
• 40:37
  SPEAKER_02: It was awesome.
• 40:38
  SPEAKER_01: Anyone else in the city, though, that you like look up to and admire and feel like, well, they're doing it the right way?
• 40:42
  SPEAKER_01: Or I mean BJ, he the owner of Chapman.
• 40:45
  SPEAKER_02: I I really like he's you know, he's made Columbus his own, but brought the standards of a big city from DC.
• 40:53
  SPEAKER_02: Um you think he'd come on the show?
• 40:55
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, yeah, I'm sure he would.
• 40:57
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, tell him I recommended him.
• 40:59
  SPEAKER_02: Okay.
• 40:59
  SPEAKER_01: Well, we will because we he'll be listening.
• 41:01
  SPEAKER_01: So hopefully somebody will send him this clip and then we can get him in.
• 41:04
  SPEAKER_01: Totally.
• 41:04
  SPEAKER_01: It's all a it's all a tactic.
• 41:06
  SPEAKER_01: Totally.
• 41:07
  SPEAKER_01: Hey BJ, hint hint, I'm coming for you.
• 41:10
  SPEAKER_01: Who do you like who would you like to hear from in the city?
• 41:13
  SPEAKER_01: Who are like some low-key entrepreneurs that you're like, I really think they're cool and they're kind of like in the alleyways.
• 41:21
  SPEAKER_02: There's a spa I really like just down the street.
• 41:24
  SPEAKER_02: Um, I know the owner, Stella.
• 41:25
  SPEAKER_02: Paloma?
• 41:26
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 41:27
  SPEAKER_02: Um, I used to work with her at Victoria's Secret.
• 41:30
  SPEAKER_02: Um, that would be interesting.
• 41:31
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 41:32
  SPEAKER_01: And I'd love to have her on.
• 41:33
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, let me call me Stella.
• 41:35
  SPEAKER_02: Okay.
• 41:36
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, let her know I recommended her.
• 41:37
  SPEAKER_02: And then I'm trying to think who else.
• 41:39
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, Carrie, you're kind of like, you're the one I'd say if I weren't weren't on your show.
• 41:44
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, you know, I appreciate that.
• 41:45
  SPEAKER_01: But um I'm always looking for, you know, I just want to improve the atmosphere.
• 41:50
  SPEAKER_01: I want to do some cool shit.
• 41:51
  SPEAKER_01: We're actually, um, I'd like to get your get your opinion on this too.
• 41:55
  SPEAKER_01: We want to do some live shows in 2026.
• 41:57
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, that's right.
• 41:57
  SPEAKER_01: So in real life, but not in a format that's like you're on stage and people are in the like that is such a crusty, tired.
• 42:05
  SPEAKER_01: I want to actually like the downstairs you just came in, that really cool creative environment.
• 42:10
  SPEAKER_01: We want to transform it into like this eclectic riving room.
• 42:13
  SPEAKER_01: I love it.
• 42:14
  SPEAKER_01: With lamps and cozy sofas, and then have like whether it's one headliner, or you could have two or three and have a theme.
• 42:22
  SPEAKER_01: So whether it's like, you know, women, you know, feminine energy, or you have like the first, like a somebody who sold their business for a billion dollars.
• 42:30
  SPEAKER_01: You could have all kinds of different themes that would attract different founders.
• 42:34
  SPEAKER_01: But the idea is to bring these up and coming, fresh, wide-eyed founders, builders, creators, humans into a room together and then just humanize the success, right?
• 42:46
  SPEAKER_01: I'm just like you.
• 42:47
  SPEAKER_01: I just started earlier, I just did these things.
• 42:50
  SPEAKER_01: I I'm on, you know, and so I don't know, it just really excites me.
• 42:54
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I mean, I didn't have that.
• 42:56
  SPEAKER_02: You're right.
• 42:56
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, Liz Lesnar gave me uh five minutes of advice, but yeah, it's so inspiring.
• 43:02
  SPEAKER_02: Another person I love, the owner of Virtue Vega and Salon, she'd be great to have on here.
• 43:07
  SPEAKER_02: Um she's really good.
• 43:08
  SPEAKER_02: I just love, you know, I'm I'm a little older than you, I think.
• 43:12
  SPEAKER_02: I know.
• 43:13
  SPEAKER_02: And I feel like women, we did not have these role models, not because they weren't out there, but there was no, there was no podcasts or there was no social media, so we didn't know they existed as much.
• 43:26
  SPEAKER_02: And I remember thinking that women around my age were just like, hang up your towel, go home and don't come out for 20 years.
• 43:34
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, now we have all these role models that are our age-ish and you know, crushing it.
• 43:40
  SPEAKER_02: And if I had had that, I think I would have been even more successful, you know?
• 43:44
  SPEAKER_01: Well, you know, it's funny on your form you said, as you can see, I really read these.
• 43:48
  SPEAKER_01: I I actually in my brain.
• 43:50
  SPEAKER_01: You said I started Catalina's at forty, it was late in life.
• 43:54
  SPEAKER_01: And I I that kind of like it stuck with me because I was like, No, forty's not late in life.
• 43:59
  SPEAKER_01: Well, I
• 44:00
  SPEAKER_02: I don't think so now, but at the time it felt very late.
• 44:03
  SPEAKER_01: But that's the thing.
• 44:03
  SPEAKER_01: It's all this m it's all your perspective.
• 44:06
  SPEAKER_01: It's like it can feel so late in life.
• 44:09
  SPEAKER_01: And and so, you know, for me, I just I hope people out there who are of a certain age or a certain, you know, sex or ethnicity or whatever, and they feel like they're like to this or to that or not enough this.
• 44:23
  SPEAKER_01: Yes, you are.
• 44:24
  SPEAKER_01: Yes.
• 44:24
  SPEAKER_01: Yes, you fucking are.
• 44:26
  SPEAKER_01: But you're not if you don't step up to the plate.
• 44:28
  SPEAKER_01: Exactly.
• 44:28
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 44:28
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, I want to redefine 60s, 70s, and beyond.
• 44:32
  SPEAKER_02: Hell yeah.
• 44:32
  SPEAKER_02: You know, I think we can.
• 44:33
  SPEAKER_02: Hell yes.
• 44:34
  SPEAKER_01: We're gonna freeze ourselves like Walt Disney.
• 44:36
  SPEAKER_01: You ain't getting rid of us.
• 44:38
  SPEAKER_01: You ain't getting rid of me.
• 44:40
  SPEAKER_01: You ain't getting rid of me.
• 44:43
  SPEAKER_01: I love you.
• 44:44
  SPEAKER_01: I told you this would be lit like a Christmas tree.
• 44:48
  SPEAKER_01: I don't feel like I'm performing as well as you.
• 44:50
  SPEAKER_01: I love it.
• 44:55
  SPEAKER_00: Oh my god, that shit's great.
• 44:57
  SPEAKER_02: Listen, welcome to the welcome to the circus, Kathleen.
• 45:01
  SPEAKER_02: Well, you know, I have that speaking of drinking, I've had to learn to like, you know how if you have a few drinks, you can be your real self.
• 45:08
  SPEAKER_02: Oh shit.
• 45:08
  SPEAKER_02: I've had to relearn that it's okay to be your real self without few.
• 45:11
  SPEAKER_02: Oh yeah.
• 45:12
  SPEAKER_01: No, you don't want to get a few drinks in me, honey.
• 45:14
  SPEAKER_01: Like it is like it can get it can get turned up.
• 45:18
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, anything that you if we left here, you'd get in your car and go, why didn't I say this?
• 45:24
  SPEAKER_02: I I mean I can't think of it now, except for, you know, I didn't mention about eight million bands that we could chat about.
• 45:30
  SPEAKER_02: Um but I don't want to, you know, discount I everything that I've been through has brought me to where I am, so I don't regret anything.
• 45:40
  SPEAKER_02: And I think that it when you're young, you do, and it's made me who I am.
• 45:46
  SPEAKER_02: But I also don't want people to think it's cool to be a wild child and threat threaten your life and your brain cells all the time.
• 45:56
  SPEAKER_01: You know what it is?
• 45:56
  SPEAKER_01: Here's the deal this is your story, yeah, right?
• 46:01
  SPEAKER_01: That's it.
• 46:01
  SPEAKER_01: This is your story, and what people are gonna think, they're gonna think.
• 46:05
  SPEAKER_01: And some people are gonna resonate with it, some people aren't gonna listen to it, and some people are gonna be like, what?
• 46:09
  SPEAKER_01: Like it's it's your story, and that's that.
• 46:11
  SPEAKER_01: You don't have to like worry or shrink or apologize to anybody, and that's what I'm learning too, more and more.
• 46:17
  SPEAKER_01: It's like yeah.
• 46:19
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, I want to tell, you know, I tell my office manager all the time, things are tough now.
• 46:25
  SPEAKER_02: I think when you get older, it gets so much easier.
• 46:28
  SPEAKER_02: Don't you agree?
• 46:28
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, yes, in so in certain ways.
• 46:30
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, for sure.
• 46:31
  SPEAKER_01: For sure.
• 46:32
  SPEAKER_02: I really, I mean, I just feel liberated now that I am not burdened by neuroses and you know Well, you also said the thing about being likable.
• 46:41
  SPEAKER_01: And so the quote that you gave from um what's the the the beautiful uh chef, her name starts with the P Pashma.
• 46:48
  SPEAKER_01: Yes, yes.
• 46:49
  SPEAKER_01: About, you know, how mentioned.
• 46:50
  SPEAKER_01: But it was it was kind of funny because when when I was reading that quote, I was like, well, that kind of describes me a little bit because that kind of sounds like me a little.
• 46:58
  SPEAKER_01: Uh but I because I've never been like this like likable.
• 47:01
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 47:01
  SPEAKER_01: I don't fit the like mean traditional form.
• 47:04
  SPEAKER_01: No, no, no.
• 47:04
  SPEAKER_01: But I know that so many women do.
• 47:06
  SPEAKER_01: Like it's like you know, it's sit there and look pretty and be likable, and it's like how you're wired.
• 47:11
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 47:11
  SPEAKER_01: For some reason, I my wire was all fucking twisted up.
• 47:14
  SPEAKER_03: Mine too, yes.
• 47:15
  SPEAKER_03: I never cared about that.
• 47:16
  SPEAKER_01: But I think as you age, right, if you are someone who who wants to be liked and wants to like kind of just fucking fit in, so you don't even really know who you are.
• 47:26
  SPEAKER_01: Because me, me, that's a red flag.
• 47:27
  SPEAKER_01: Not in terms that I don't that you're a bad person.
• 47:29
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 47:30
  SPEAKER_01: It's a red flag for me in terms of like, okay, so hold on a minute.
• 47:32
  SPEAKER_01: So everyone likes you, you like everyone.
• 47:35
  SPEAKER_01: Who the fuck are you really?
• 47:36
  SPEAKER_01: Exactly.
• 47:37
  SPEAKER_01: So then you have to like play the game of like, you know, pulling the layers back and seeing who it is.
• 47:43
  SPEAKER_01: I would just rather I'd rather lose fast and just be what it is, and just kind of like attract your people and exactly, you know, deflect the rest.
• 47:55
  SPEAKER_02: Space for that.
• 47:55
  SPEAKER_02: And I tell my team, you know, you always know where you stand with me.
• 47:58
  SPEAKER_02: Wouldn't you rather I be that way than always second guessing if I'm being passive aggressive about whether you're doing performing right or anything?
• 48:07
  SPEAKER_02: And I agree a hundred percent.
• 48:08
  SPEAKER_02: I've never had that, even you know, even back in my dating days.
• 48:12
  SPEAKER_02: Like I'm just like, I I do not, I'm not wired like that either.
• 48:16
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, and maybe that's a good, you know, transition to you asked me if what I wanted to leave here with.
• 48:22
  SPEAKER_02: I want to be known for doing the right thing, being an ethical person.
• 48:26
  SPEAKER_02: You know, I don't have the time to make everyone like me.
• 48:30
  SPEAKER_02: I want to do leave the world a better place, literally.
• 48:34
  SPEAKER_01: I love that.
• 48:35
  SPEAKER_01: I love that.
• 48:35
  SPEAKER_01: And you know, I don't know who who needs to hear this.
• 48:37
  SPEAKER_01: Maybe there's just one little soul out there with a pair of ears.
• 48:40
  SPEAKER_01: But you know, being likable ain't all that.
• 48:42
  SPEAKER_01: No.
• 48:43
  SPEAKER_01: So if you want to talk more about that, call me.
• 48:45
  SPEAKER_01: Because I'll be happy to help you.
• 48:47
  SPEAKER_02: No, I love your latest posts just for that very reason.
• 48:49
  SPEAKER_02: They're very empowering.
• 48:50
  SPEAKER_02: And you know, of course, I've never been that person who wanted to be likable so much, but I definitely just as a female, you know, wanted to look good and wanted to, you know, it's just so exhausting.
• 49:03
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, and boring.
• 49:04
  SPEAKER_02: Boring, yes.
• 49:05
  SPEAKER_01: Boring.
• 49:07
  SPEAKER_01: Boring.
• 49:08
  SPEAKER_01: You know what isn't boring?
• 49:09
  SPEAKER_01: You and this conversation.
• 49:11
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, I love it.
• 49:11
  SPEAKER_01: This is this is going in the all-time top five, I would say.
• 49:14
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, I thought.
• 49:15
  SPEAKER_01: If not top three.
• 49:16
  SPEAKER_02: I love it.
• 49:16
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, I feel like we could sit here and sing all day, but my voice might crack the Oh my god, it's so good.
• 49:22
  SPEAKER_01: I know what it is.
• 49:23
  SPEAKER_01: Wait, hold on.
• 49:25
  SPEAKER_00: It's been years since you held a baby.
• 49:29
  SPEAKER_00: But I wrecked the bedroom.
• 49:31
  SPEAKER_00: Um you said it was dangerous after Sunday.
• 49:35
  SPEAKER_00: But I know you love me.
• 49:37
  SPEAKER_00: He thinks I just became famous, and that's what messed me up.
• 49:43
  SPEAKER_00: But it's wrong.
• 49:44
  SPEAKER_00: How could I possibly know what I want when I was a little?
• 49:50
  SPEAKER_01: What's the name of the song?
• 49:51
  SPEAKER_01: I've seen plenty of clothes that I like, but I won't go anywhere.
• 49:57
  SPEAKER_00: Nice forever while all I want to do is just sit here and run it on down rest forever.
• 50:10
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, that's what it is.
• 50:12
  SPEAKER_03: Yes.
• 50:12
  SPEAKER_03: And that relates so much to our conversation.
• 50:15
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, 12 out of 10, Kathleen dead.
• 50:18
  SPEAKER_01: I love it.
• 50:19
  SPEAKER_01: Thank you so much.
• 50:19
  SPEAKER_01: Seriously.
• 50:20
  SPEAKER_02: This has made this has made literally my weekend so much uh fun, and I want to apologize to the audience for my bad voice, but uh Oh no, it's so good.
• 50:28
  SPEAKER_01: They're they're they're yeah, they're all good.
• 50:29
  SPEAKER_01: They're very forgiving.
• 50:30
  SPEAKER_01: We'll do some voice tuning.
• 50:31
  SPEAKER_01: We'll do some voice tuning.
• 50:34
  SPEAKER_01: I love it.
• 50:34
  SPEAKER_01: Seriously, uh, do you think it's too soon for matching tattoos?
• 50:38
  SPEAKER_01: Is that too much?
• 50:40
  SPEAKER_01: Thank you, Kathleen.
• 50:42
  SPEAKER_01: Thank you, aka Catalina.
• 50:44
  SPEAKER_02: Thank you.
• 50:44
  SPEAKER_02: I had a blast.
• 50:45
  SPEAKER_01: My cup runneth over with love for you.
• 50:47
  SPEAKER_01: And if you're still out there following your girl, follow me on YouTube, Spotify, Apple, or wherever you get your podcast.
• 50:51
  SPEAKER_01: And until next time, please, please go to Catalina's.
• 50:55
  SPEAKER_01: Go to brunch this weekend, go hit it up.
• 50:58
  SPEAKER_01: I don't care when.
• 50:59
  SPEAKER_01: Please make it on like put it on your to-do list.
• 51:01
  SPEAKER_01: Go to Catalina's.
• 51:02
  SPEAKER_01: It's worth every freaking penny.
• 51:04
  SPEAKER_01: He's loving pancakes.
• 51:05
  SPEAKER_01: That's right, baby.
• 51:06
  SPEAKER_01: And keep moving.