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I don't want to be a doom and gloomer, but I know how to work
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your calculator. Ronnie, Ronnie, I love you
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buddy. I really do.
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I think you do great, great work and you have a heart of gold.
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You're doing this mostly because out of love, not because it
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gives you a paycheck. We are at that point.
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It is not doom and gloom. You are being realistic.
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Who's not being realistic is the Don't Worry, Be Happy crowd that
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makes up much of the financial service industry who totally
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disregards this, has no real understanding, and if they do,
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they'll never speak about it because it would greatly impact
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their livelihood right now. As we record this video on
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September 13th, 2024, gold is continuing to break out the new
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highs. You might be wondering, will
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that continue? Who better to talk to than Peter
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Grandich? He has decades of experience in
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the financial services industry. He's followed gold and silver
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for decades. He's appeared on every major
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news network as a guest. He's also an esteemed author.
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I have his book here, which I've never shown and a great friend
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of Ron's basement. And we're going to talk about
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the gold price and the silver price today.
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Peter, welcome to Ron's Basement.
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Now, you didn't choose me just because it's Friday the 13th,
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did you? You know one of my daughter's
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this morning. I have twin 12 year old
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daughters. She's walking out the door to go
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to get to the bus and she said, you know, it's Friday the 13th,
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we might get slaughtered tonight.
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I thought, wait, wait a minute. So, well, the good news is the
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the Comex gold bears are getting slaughtered right now.
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So that's that's a good part. Yeah, there's a lot going on,
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Peter, in the gold market, new all time highs.
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You know, before we came on, I mentioned to you that I read
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this report that Bank of America said that gold is now the
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preferred reserve asset in the world, second only to the US
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dollar. It feels like to me, does it
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feel like, am I off when I think that we're kind of reaching a a
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showdown stage between the dollar and the gold and gold?
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I think it's more of two people crossing in the night going in
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opposite directions. First of all, shame on the
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financial service industry in general for not recognizing an
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investment that a has a couple thousand year track record.
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Not like something recently it's only traded a a decade or so
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then they're all caught up in at the moment cryptos.
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It has outperformed both the stock and bond market not only
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for the last three years. It has outperformed stocks since
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the new Millennium started and it's outperformed bonds.
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And let me tell you why this is critical over the last 50 years
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based on performance. Now, when I first started in
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this business as a stockbroker, before I even became a money
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manager, the sales managers will always basically say something
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like this. Hey, listen, it's OK to invest
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in the stock market, but if you want safety, put people in
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bonds. They won't lose their principal.
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Well, guess what it has. There are people with
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substantial losses in bonds and yet gold here as you and I
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speak, hitting the $2600 mark gets this much recognition in
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the financial service industry. Still today may be a sentence or
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two somewheres and it's you know it.
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A few years back, the Bank of International sentiments, Ron,
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made gold a tier one investment with stocks.
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Yet, how many people in the United States right now have any
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worthiness of holdings of gold along with their stock
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portfolio? That's why I think the market
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and we're going to discuss a lot of the fundamental reasons why.
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That's why I think the market still has a lot of ways to go
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because most people still don't own it.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. I was, I was talking with Keith
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Newmeyer yesterday and I brought up the point that, yeah, nobody
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owns it. But think about this, Peter.
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Everybody knows about it. It's weird.
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It's like the seed is planted. And I mean, you can ask any
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American what are the most, what's what you know, what's
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valuable in the world. Even my kids and they would say
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silver and gold, although they don't own it right so.
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Hold on, hold on, Ron. You say that because they spend
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time in that basement. How could they not know gold and
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silver was important? Yeah.
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Maybe I maybe I am a, maybe I am a bit skewed.
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So, so, so when we look at this, this, this showdown potentially
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that's developing between, between the dollar and precious
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metals and, and some of the factors you, you, you mentioned,
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right, Like just everything, all the macro factors happening in
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the world that bonds and does it, does it feel like like if
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you had to bet on who's going to win in the end, that gold and
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silver would be a, a, a better bet?
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Well, I've already made that bet and in in our planning group for
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those who choose to listen, I pounded the table about it.
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I have stated that we have entered the worst ever social,
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political and economic era as Americans that it is so severe
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due to a number of factors which you can talk about.
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If not, it's, it's OK. And what is transpiring the
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world that the the financial service industry perhaps
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certainly in the modern era will turn out to be one of their
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biggest blunders, if not their biggest.
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And that is the unappreciation, not wanting to understand or
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scoff at what is transpiring on the world stage in terms of the
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formation of these BRIC nations, countries getting together to
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alternatively lead the United States outside looking in both
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in terms of commerce and trade and how they exchange and what
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kind of monetary system they use and so forth.
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And I say to these young financial advisors, and there
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are even some in the very place where I still do my business
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through, and I say then to them, explain to me how if more and
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more countries who used to trade with the United States stop
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trading with the United States and stop using its currency, how
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does that end up beneficial to the United States?
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And I get an old Jackie Gleason and they can't answer it because
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that's what's transpiring. And the untold story in that,
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Ron, that you're only getting some traction now is all these
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countries that also repatriated their gold from the United
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States back into their own central banks.
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They're not doing this for a trade.
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They're not doing this for speculating like you and I are
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doing on some junior resource stock.
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They're doing it because they see what's changing on the world
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stage, that passing that I spoke about, that the dollar is going
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this way and the gold is going that way.
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you're from Ron's Basement. How could the world not be
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losing confidence in the dollar? I read something this morning.
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I want to get your, your comments on this, Peter.
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I think yesterday the Treasury Department put out the August
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numbers and the United States government ran a $380 billion
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deficit in the month of August alone.
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That was up from only only only 90 billion in August of last
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year and we're now on track for 2024 to have real close to a $2
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trillion budget deficit. I mean that's getting added on
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top of, you know, the already expanding almost 35 trillion in
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that increased interest expense. At some point does this, I mean,
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I guess there's a two-part question.
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When the world looks at that, then we can presume that they
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have smart people and economists that have calculators that work,
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that they're going to lose confidence in the dollar.
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And at some point, does this get manifested in just the dollar
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going down in real value and inflation continuing to
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skyrocket? Well, let me answer that
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two-part in A2 part answer the 1st, it's clear and evident the
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amount of foreign buying of our debt continues to drop
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considerably. And equally, some of the biggest
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net sellers of our debt are the some of the biggest leaders in
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the BRIC movement, Russia, China and some others.
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The second thing that you're seeing is we are.
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It's hard for me, for somebody that's going in his 31st year to
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think that we will ever speak in anything financial economic with
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the word trillion in it. It didn't exist.
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It wasn't in our vocabulary or our mental thinking that we
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would talk about trillions. Now we're talking, we're talking
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35 trillion, but that's not the real number.
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I've been putting up a group that has calculated all the cost
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of extra Medicare, Medicaid, Social Security, the numbers
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close to $160 trillion. And who can imagine that you
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could run $2 trillion in debt? And it's accelerating.
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And here's where the problem is. This is very important, Ron, and
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I've talked about it, and I'm not the only one.
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The Congressional Budget Office, probably the last place in
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Washington where there's a bit of bipartisanship left.
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They have put out numbers and have upped it for almost every
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three to six months. They are now forecasting a $54
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trillion hard debt before the year 2034 with an important
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asterisk. They have no recession of any
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worthiness in that period. So if there is some significant
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slowdowns, recession, that debt will increase more and the
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period will come faster. But let's just use $50 trillion.
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And please folks that are listening, both Ron's and my
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followers pay attention to this part.
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At $50 trillion, we will have to refinance it or part of it will
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be at that point. Even if it's just 5%, that's not
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a high interest rate. That's $2.5 trillion in an
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interest expense that must be paid.
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Well, a couple years ago, we had our best year ever as a
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government. We took in five trillion, $300
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billion. Let's say that even gets boosted
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to six trillion by then, or even a little bit more.
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We're still going to be looking at almost half of all our income
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as a country to service the debt.
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Here's news, Ron. You're not going to have the
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military that you're used to. You're not going to have
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government service as you used to.
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And a lot of people that are expected to be paid on things
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are not going to be paid or it's going to cost a lot more to be
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paid. And that's a fact.
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And you can beat around the Bush and you can talk about all this
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stuff. But Ron, that period is in most
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of us, God willing, lifespan. This isn't something now that's
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20 or 30 years away, Ronnie, this is right in front of us.
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Most of us are going to be living please God, or maybe not
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please God when that period comes.
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In that, in that 2.5 trillion in interest that you talked about,
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but it's important to remember that interest expense also then
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gets basically added on to the debt level, right?
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I mean it becomes like a. Yeah, because they borrow.
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They borrow. Yeah, they pay it.
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Yeah, it becomes like a doom. I mean, that actually makes the
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debt level bigger, which then makes the interest expense
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bigger, which it just becomes. I mean, I don't want to be a
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doom and gloomer, but I know how to work a.
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Calculator Ronnie. Ronnie, I love you buddy, I
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really do. I think you do great, great work
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and you have a heart of gold. You're doing this mostly because
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out of love, not because it gives you a paycheck.
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We are at that point. It is not doom and gloom.
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You are being realistic. Who's not being realistic is the
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don't Worry, be happy crowd that makes up much of the financial
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service industry who totally disregards this, has no real
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understanding. And if they do, they'll never
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speak about it because it would greatly impact their livelihood
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right now. And in fact, let me tell you
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this much, I talked recently to one of my friends, he was once
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the second highest managed, the second biggest fund in America,
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working lit has his own island in the Caribbean.
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And I said to him and he and he's still, you know, he's a
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mature man. He's a little bit older than me,
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probably about 7071 now. And he says, Pete, you know
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what, I know you're right. But we got to try to make as
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much money before that happens. That's their philosophy, that
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that's the trouble And, and, and, and it's coming.
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And you know what? I don't want to be around and
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say, see, I told you so. Because the lifestyle and what
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most people are going to have to go through is going to be very
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unpleasant. Yeah, the, the, the math behind
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it doesn't work. And, and I and I appreciate the
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point. You brought us something very, I
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think pertinent to the whole situation, like that fifty
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trillion estimate that the CBO the came out with that does not
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factor in a recession. And, and I've heard some other
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people mention the fact that like we have more debt than any
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other time in history by any metric, any ratio, anything
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else. And we, and, and, and we're
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coming out of what they're telling us are good times.
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What happens if we run into some bad times like you mentioned,
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right? Like a recession or further
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geopolitical turmoil when, you know, we have the, the, the
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brick stuff going on. Like we're going into what could
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be a difficult time on, on, on different levels with a horrible
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financial situation. So I guess it really is like
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it's in the headlights now, like we can see it.
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But like you said, most people stick their fingers in their ear
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and you know, and saying and say I don't want to pay attention.
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Everything's fine, everything's good until it's not.
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First Mining Gold is a development company advancing 2
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of the largest gold projects in Canada.
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Spring Poll in Ontario and Du Parque, located in Quebec, each
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already has 5 million ounces of gold reserves, but exploration
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initiatives are underway at both projects to find even more gold.
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First Mining is well financed, has zero debt and owns an
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interest in four additional Canadian gold development
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projects. I've been speaking about the
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bricks and again, not alone in it.
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It's finally getting a little bit of traction in mainstream
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media, and I think it's going to get a lot more after they
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conclude their meetings this fall because we're going to
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learn a lot more how fast they're growing and how it's
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going to impact us. But I'm going to give you
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another topic that almost no one's speaking about.
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And I think in a couple years they're going to have to because
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I've seen the signs already. I believe the European Union as
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we know it is breaking down and whether or not it fully
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collapses, but it will be minimally greatly weakened at a
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time when Western civilization, which it makes a big part of
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Europe is making part of that. We're seeing not only the
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breakdown of it economically, but we're seeing in terms of
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this great immigration, migration that is coming into
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the Western civilization as population of the Western
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salvation declines birth rates and not keeping up with debts,
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etcetera, etcetera. And people are just just seeing
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the beginning of those changes. Look at the type of stories now
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you're in, you're in middle America, OK, Look at the stories
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that we would have never imagined 5-10 years ago, reading
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about people that are living in our country and, and are
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capturing our pets to eat them, you know, and I mean, but, but
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these are stories that come from that other part of the world.
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That's a way of life and I'm not here to judge.
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God created all humans equal, in my opinion at all.
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We haven't begun to appreciate these enormous changes at a time
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as you said it, when most people are still going around like
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this. And I see and this if I may,
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Ron, I see still 7-8 out of 10 families that come into our
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financial planning group still live in at least one or two
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lifestyles above where their finances support.
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People say, well, what do you mean by that?
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They spend more than they take in.
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They don't have positive cash flow.
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I the people say how they do it, they borrow, they keep
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refinancing, they have car loans or, or, or leases sitting
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outside. They are not fixing up their
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home. They're using the money to
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deliver a lifestyle better now. They're not putting money into
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retirement funds, etcetera, etcetera.
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And that a lot of them are doing it because they believe they've
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been told you got to keep up with the Joneses.
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You know what I always tell them, wave to the Joneses, told
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try to keep up with them, live a separate life.
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And this country is a prime example of not living within
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your means. Yeah.
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And you and if you think about like on the macro level, what's
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going on with our government and then overall, like you said,
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like we know credit card, the data that comes out about credit
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card debt levels, people taking money out of their four O 1 KS,
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people selling their precious metal, what the other people are
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living beyond their means. If, if on a macro level, we hit
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some really hard times on a household level, it could be
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multiplied as you have people that are just living a a
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financial life that that doesn't add up.
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And we could indeed be in for some some challenging times in
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this country. Not could be.
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We are, like I said, on every level.
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And you know what we don't talk a lot about?
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We get caught up on the national debt, but look at a state like
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California now. Budget deficit is unbelievable.
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In fact, people trying to figure out how they're going to
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finance. They're talking about passing
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laws of clawing back on people and businesses that already
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moved. Wow.
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To, to escape to, to and so they don't have the printing press
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that the United States has. Look at the cities now look at
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the, the immigration part of it. New York City, $5 billion more
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having to be spent. Remember just a couple years ago
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they said, oh, we're a sanctuary city.
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We're going to take everybody in and live 1 happily life.
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Now they're trying to find ways of getting rid of those people.
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You can't get rid of those people.
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Those people are here in masses and they're human beings.
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This, this thought that I hear in the far right and I'm I'm in
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the right, but I'm never going to be in the far right.
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Oh, just put them on a boat, ship them back.
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That's long sailed that boat. That's not going to be a
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solvable item. And that's why there are a lot
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of issues that are transpiring. And we're not even talking about
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the the politics of what's transpiring here now in the
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United States. It's a, it's a very, very
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difficult situation. And to go back to your original
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theme and all, that's one of the reasons why something that
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worked for a few thousand years, all sorts of different parts of
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history has been sought out to be used as a protector and a
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unifier to make sure that your purchasing power in order to
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sustain yourself is good. And that's gold.
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That's the bottom line to it. I've always told people, can I
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please, Ron, let me tell you this part.
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Every single person I've ever sat with that I can recall in
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our planning group when it got to the investment point, when I
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was still licensed and all that. And I can talk specifically
19:31
about investments. I tell them, listen, I want you
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to buy some gold, but hope it doesn't go up.
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And Ron, they all basically this did.
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It's like a dog. They turn their head slightly
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and go. But Mr. Greenwich, why would you
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want me to buy something that you hope is not going to go up?
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Because I'm looking at your portfolio here and it's
19:48
basically all financial assets. Trust me, if gold does go up,
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these assets are likely to be going down and that's what it's
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always been. It's a minimum protecting
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insurance policy for me. I've used it for capital
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appreciation and done well thankfully and now have moved to
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the most riskiest. Part of that equation, the
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junior resource stocks, but I think still, because most
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Americans, and this concludes our friends in Canada who at one
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time were much more affiliated with gold and ironically that
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country sold all their gold years ago, we still got a long
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way to go in this metals market. Yeah, yeah, I appreciate you.
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You, you took the words out of my mouth.
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I was going to ask you with everything that we're talking
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about going on, how to precious metals fit into that on a big on
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a big picture level, because you know, hey, that's what we are
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all eventually what we're looking to do is protect
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ourselves, protect our families. And like you said, for thousands
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of years, gold, silver to a certain degree as well have done
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a really good job of doing that. Can we shift gears for a second,
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five more minutes to talk about the the the junior resource
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sector? Ron, Ron of Ron's Basement, if
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you want to stay the next hour, I will stay with you.
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I really, I really listen. I put something out today on my
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ex page. You might not even know it about
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yourself. I really in this lattice stage
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and twilight of my business life and my mortal life, I've really
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grown to appreciate in certain people and you're one of them.
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Even though we've never met, I feel like we have through this
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Zoom. I am more than willing and I
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think the work that you do and some others in the little way
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that I can help on appearing. I hope someone that watches this
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and hopefully more than one gets and understands truly and this
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helps them make the right decision.
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So I'm, I'm more than glad to say you're talking with you,
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Ronnie. Well, that's thank you, Peter.
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And you know, I, I, I hold you in the highest of regards as
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well. What about as we talk about all
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this that's going on, right? This the, the political
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situation, the financial situation of the country,
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geopolitics are we facing? Is there any possible way that,
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that the US dollar doesn't go down in value?
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I mean, when I think about precious metals and I think
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about everything we talked about with deficits and just the, the
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general environment of where we are, I don't see, and I know the
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Federal Reserve right there, their stated objective is it
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only loses 2% per year in value. But I just don't see an
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environment where we have. And it's unfortunate, right?
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Because I'm an American. I I love my country, all that
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grace, but I don't see an environment where the dollar
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doesn't do anything but at one rate or another continue to go
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down down in value. So I may get in trouble for
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saying this but I actually did this as a teenager 16/17/18.
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I spent a lot of time those days when I legally got allowed to in
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discos. And around two, 3:00 in the
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morning, we look over the girls that seem to still be single in
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the bar. And girls that might have not
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been pretty or attractive at 10:00, suddenly at two 3:00 in
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the morning, they weren't that bad looking.
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OK, that's a terrible way to describe it.
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And I'm sure they looked at girls looked at me in the same
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way. What we have here is the United
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States dollar is the least ugliest of the major currencies.
23:24
Yeah. OK.
23:25
So by default, and because it's still the world's reserve
23:29
currency, but I do believe once the bricks formally kick in and
23:33
formally form not only a new currency, that it will be used
23:38
among themselves or eventually compete as a world reserve
23:41
currency or whatever, then it will tank along with all Western
23:48
currencies that aren't partaking in that.
23:51
And so for for the time being, one of the reasons it won't come
23:55
down a lot is because the rest of the current currencies that
23:58
it competes against, the euro is worse off in a sense because
24:03
they're not unified where they can each print their own keep
24:06
currencies. And I think we've seen just the
24:09
crack in that now, especially out of Italy and all where
24:12
they're talking about maybe it's time that we focus read back
24:16
about ourselves. So to answer your question is I
24:19
think that the dollar is survivability, but it's not
24:22
going to prosper. Yeah, yeah.
24:25
And I appreciate you. I mean, everybody talks about
24:27
the bricks and the silver and gold community thing outside of
24:31
it. If, if I talk bricks with my
24:33
general neighbors, they're thinking about the bricks that
24:35
our houses are made out of. But it really is a, a huge, huge
24:40
deal. And as you were talking it, it
24:42
kind of dawned on me like this is really happening.
24:45
And how could it not be with the, with the contentious
24:50
relationship that we have right now with Russia?
24:53
And then on top of that, things aren't that good with China.
24:56
And, and you know, then you throw India into the mix, Saudi
24:59
Arabia, everything going on in the world like this really is a
25:03
big deal and really is happening and, and, and that it could have
25:08
serious massive consequences. I'm not saying we're going to
25:10
wake up one morning and the dollar is going to be, you know,
25:13
completely revalued, but I think it minimum it's going to have a
25:17
major impact on the buying power of the dollar as we go into
25:20
this. It would send the headlights I
25:22
guess you could say. Ronnie, think about as all these
25:25
key central banks have been physically aggressively
25:29
accumulating gold and asking back for the gold that the
25:32
United States held for them. The other parts of the community
25:37
with sellers, mutual funds, the exchange trader funds that held
25:42
it, we're actually liquidating into that.
25:45
They weren't buyers along with this.
25:47
Now it's true in Asia and particularly China retail buyers
25:50
have been very aggressive of the goal.
25:52
But here in the Western world and particularly in North
25:55
America, we've been net sellers still of, of, of the metals
25:59
market. And this is all occurring these,
26:02
I've said this for two years now.
26:04
These central banks are not doing this to speculator for a
26:08
trade. They've recognized what is
26:10
coming and they recognize that the US dollar and US paper and
26:14
the US as a, as a country is no longer fully dependable and AAA
26:21
and they recognize that they had to take actions.
26:24
And by the time the financial service community recognizes it
26:29
and it becomes part of their talk, it'll be too late for most
26:33
people. The the the the the bond door
26:36
will have already been opened and the animals will have
26:38
escaped. Yeah, yeah.
26:40
And I and I hear this talk about how well gold has done here over
26:44
the last 18 months, two years. And the things really are
26:47
different this time, right? Like a lot of the old
26:51
relationships that everyone pointed to have really been
26:55
thrown out the window like, oh, you know, like we had ETF
26:59
outflows over that period. And that it you, if you look at
27:02
a chart over a long periods of time that there was a strong
27:05
correlation between ETF flows into the gold and silver, I
27:09
guess ETF and the price of the metals.
27:11
But we saw ETF outflows, but at the same time, we saw the price
27:16
go up that, that we, we, you know, we really truly are in, in
27:21
a different period of time right now.
27:23
I think a lot of people attribute that to the central
27:25
banks. I also heard something that that
27:29
I guess I knew, but I hadn't really thought of as being so
27:33
important that, and you alluded to this, that when the central
27:37
banks buy gold, I think it was Ronnie Stouffer, the guy, he
27:40
said they're sticky buyers, meaning they're not buying it
27:44
for a trade. They're not buying it in in
27:47
August thinking, well, we'll sell it in January and make some
27:50
profit. They buy gold, they're sitting
27:52
on it, right? They're holding it.
27:56
So to answer also I know you said you want to talk about
27:59
juniors. Let me just take you a little
28:02
back here. So I had four processes it as as
28:05
2020 came to an end for me and I just share what I do and and
28:10
what I do it most people shouldn't do, but at least give
28:12
them they can hear the reasons why.
28:14
So I said I, I think physical gold will outperform the
28:18
performance of both the stock market and bonds.
28:21
And therefore, if you're interested in capital gains, not
28:24
any other reason but to make money on something own gold.
28:28
And of course, up until now that has outperformed stocks by a
28:32
factor of two or three depending on what index you measure.
28:36
And it blew away ownership of bonds because bonds lost money
28:39
in that time. And I said four things that I
28:42
thought was going to happen. First, go without perform.
28:46
Second, the major mining companies will finally turn up
28:51
because the free cash flow that they're going to make on the
28:54
dramatic increase in the price. And since they're not an
28:57
industry that has wild expenses that you can usually contain
29:01
them and the key things that were more expensive than them
29:03
have gone lower like oil prices etcetera.
29:06
They are going to become a cash free cash flow machine.
29:10
They have, if you thought their last quarter earnings were
29:13
phenomenal, think about now they're selling gold into the
29:16
market at 2500 and all at probably an all in cost of 12/13
29:21
or $1400. It, it's going to be tremendous
29:25
gains that would lead to #3 a marked increase of mergers and
29:30
acquisitions because what these majors are going to do with
29:33
these free cash flow, they have two decisions.
29:35
This is that. Let's have a board meeting.
29:37
You and I are running, we'll call it Ron and Pete's Gold
29:40
Company, right? So we're sitting together and we
29:43
go, OK, Ronnie, we could do two things.
29:45
We we produce 2 to 3 or 4 million ounces of gold a year.
29:49
We have 20 million reserves. If we don't find any, we're out
29:52
of business in six, 7-8 years. What can we do?
29:55
We need to go out and start exploring for it ourselves and
29:59
go through that entire process and course and maybe 10 to 15
30:02
years from now, finally open up a mine that produces it to
30:06
replace what we need. Game over.
30:08
And what we won't be able to get it fast enough.
30:11
Or we can go out and acquire projects that are already in
30:17
existence or even advanced that may be producing it within
30:20
months or a few years. They've started doing that now
30:24
we've seen the mark increase in. So I'm here to tell all your
30:28
junior resource holders 3 weeks ago, and I'm not telling them to
30:32
do it like I did it, but I put almost like just about half My
30:36
Portfolio into some key junior resource stocks, all the ones
30:40
that I think are going to be taking over and actually become
30:42
mines and producers and on the expectation that those majors
30:48
are now going to have to step down.
30:49
So what I expect, what I'm anticipating doesn't mean it's
30:53
going to happen, but I've made a huge bet on it happening is
30:58
we're going to see them come down to the junior resource
31:01
market now in the next 12 to 18 months and do minimally
31:05
strategic relations where they put a certain amount of money in
31:09
the company for a certain interest or help funded or
31:12
actually acquire them. And quite frankly, when gold hit
31:17
my target at 2536, I said to myself, and I've been said it
31:22
and I'll say it again, we'll see a 3000 print without ever seeing
31:26
an under 2000 print. Now after it goes to three,
31:30
we'll, we'll, we'll judge at that time.
31:32
So that was about a 20% gain from where we, we hit my target
31:35
at 2536. I truly felt that returns on
31:40
these select portfolio mine will be far greater than the 20% that
31:44
I can make in gold. So I took some physical gold and
31:47
sold it. Not because I think the world
31:49
has come better place whatever, but use that to be in the
31:53
juniors. I think the day for the most
31:55
suffering and we've all suffered the last two to three years have
31:59
been suffering unlike anything ever imagined in my 40 year
32:03
career. The dawn of these two
32:06
conferences, 1 completing today in Colorado and 1:00 next week
32:09
will coincide with a kickoff. And I've seen it already of that
32:14
interest and it's only going to get better as the weeks and
32:18
months go ahead and. It feels like because I I too
32:23
have a significant amount of my net worth invested in junior
32:26
resource stocks. We both know that the prices,
32:31
the value, I mean, some of these companies have gold, you know,
32:35
that they've drilled, they've, they've determined it's there,
32:39
have, have, have put out resources at like 10, fifteen,
32:42
$20 per oz in the ground. And these big miners, like you
32:46
said, right? Are they, if they're, if
32:49
they're, if they have this choice, do we go out and explore
32:52
and maybe find and, and probably spend 50 or $100 per oz to try
32:57
to build this up on our own or we can just acquire one of these
33:01
junior companies And we, we pretty much know what's there.
33:05
A lot of the money's already been spent.
33:07
I mean, right now they are an unbelievable value opportunity.
33:12
And I'm wondering, as you were talking, Peter, you know, it
33:14
dawned on me, like you said, this was probably the worst two
33:17
to three years that you've seen during your career.
33:21
You know, I'm just thinking about the laws of nature, like
33:23
if you have slammed something down really hard, maybe they
33:27
could bounce back fast. Because potentially what I see
33:30
is these big companies start to acquire some of these juniors
33:34
and the momentum really gets going.
33:36
And with just the, the, the tiny market cap, even if you
33:40
aggregate it all together that all these companies have that
33:43
it's not going to take a lot of money going into that sector to
33:47
make a huge difference potentially, right?
33:49
Nobody make any financial decisions based on anything
33:52
Peter or I are saying, but could make a big quick impact in that
33:56
sector. And, and final question, have
33:58
you seen that before during your career where that junior sector
34:01
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34:05
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34:08
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The answer is yes. And let's close with this
34:50
because this is important. There are still three key
34:54
negatives to the junior resource market that didn't exist 20 or
34:58
30 years ago. So let let's talk about them.
35:01
It's first in my book, and I've talked about this for a while
35:03
and it's been the absolute number one, is there used to be
35:09
hundreds, if not thousands of finance we would call
35:11
stockbrokers. Then then we became financial
35:13
advisors who built the book of business partly around owning
35:18
junior resource stocks or their entire business was both in
35:21
Canada and the US. And so at a gold show, and I
35:25
spoke at them all, there were hundreds of those guys and gals
35:29
in the audience. And so a junior resource company
35:32
would try to sell their wares for one or more of them because
35:37
even though it was one person, that one person with them
35:40
probably put it into dozens if not hundreds of their clientele
35:44
that follow them in their portfolio.
35:47
Those are dinosaurs. They're gone.
35:50
It's just no economic way to build a book of business buying
35:54
juniors because the Commission charges can only there may still
35:58
be a few that pay something close to full Commission, but
36:01
each day there's less and less. Now that same junior company has
36:05
to go find those buyers. If the same amount were out
36:08
there and about to tell you why, I don't think they are, but
36:11
they'd have to find them on a case by case basis versus one
36:14
person who opened the door to 50 or 500 people.
36:18
The second biggest thing and this coinciding with the first
36:21
one still remains a negative and that's crypto currencies.
36:27
Honey, I'm telling you at under 40 or under 30 age, if you found
36:31
people who speculated or be considered speculation, they've
36:35
gone into cryptocurrencies, not the junior resource market where
36:39
20 or 30 years ago they would have gone partly in to the
36:43
junior resource market and cryptocurrency still suck money
36:48
away. That would go into the junior
36:50
resource market And then the third negative and it's still
36:54
here and that is regulatory here in the US.
36:58
If you're a licensed financial advisor, most firms won't even
37:01
allow you to take an unsolicited order for a junior resource
37:05
stock, even if it has an OTC symbol.
37:09
So it's more challenging for a junior resource company now to
37:15
and remember, they're burning matches, going through money,
37:19
have to raise money because they're trying to find
37:20
something, develop it, and many of them end up not doing it no
37:23
matter how hard they try. These are huge challenges.
37:27
But here's the overriding factor to those three.
37:31
There is such an enormous need for metals and at the end of the
37:36
day, the people that mostly find the initial ones and and do the
37:40
hard grunt work are juniors. And as you said, the entire
37:45
market cap of all mining companies, not just expiration
37:50
and all isn't even half of Apple, right.
37:53
So even though we have those issues to overcome when the
37:58
money flows and I believe it's begun, I started to see it now
38:01
remember this. Let me close with this, Ronnie.
38:04
Volume always precedes price change and big changes in
38:09
market, whether at tops or bottoms.
38:12
There's a tremendous change in the volume now in the juniors.
38:15
Now some people getting upset they're still not going up and
38:17
all. But understand this, we were
38:20
going down in a no bid market for two years.
38:23
There just were no bids. Somebody sold, 20,000 went down,
38:27
another two people got upset because it went down.
38:29
They sold and that was a no bid market.
38:32
It's no longer a no bid market. That's the first sign to me that
38:36
the junior market is turning. Now we're starting to see some
38:40
of them make progress. And we just conclude today, in
38:43
fact, a huge show in Beaver Creek and everything that I'm
38:46
hearing coming out of there is that there is a mood change from
38:51
last year, a much improved mood change.
38:53
So I think in the coming weeks and months we will be vindicated
38:57
for those of us who have stuck with and like you and I, have
39:00
made very large bets on the junior resource.
39:03
Model and and suffered. Well, you know, suffering in
39:07
life in general, Ron, is a way of life.
39:10
You're right. In the junior market, it's
39:12
always appears over 40 years that the periods of suffering
39:15
are much, much longer than the periods of prosperity.
39:19
But I believe a period of prosperity for the juniors is in
39:22
front of us. And, and, and I have one more
39:24
thing I want to say based on what you just said.
39:26
So you, you mentioned volume is picking up and volume always
39:30
precedes price, right. So you probably have some people
39:33
who are just getting out and you know, we're maybe we're building
39:35
this space. If the next step in the process,
39:39
and I'm and I'm I'm thinking optimistically here would be
39:42
that the majors really do start to buy out some of these junior
39:47
companies. And so we start to see, let's
39:49
say to keep it simple, let's say it overall doubling within the
39:53
junior mining sector. I'm being wildly optimistic
39:56
here, but let's say that happens over the next eight to 10
39:59
months. And if we see.
40:01
A a doubling because because like you said, like the general
40:03
retail investor, the brokers aren't recommending the stocks
40:07
anymore. So what I thought was well, but
40:08
maybe the next big catalyst will be these big major companies
40:13
because they, as we talked about, they need these
40:15
resources. If they come in and the prices
40:18
start to go up and we get 60%, eighty percent, 150% return in
40:23
some of these junior stocks that that then might, you know,
40:26
snowball into the general or just a little tiny part of the
40:31
general investing speculator community starting to pay
40:34
attention and say, wow, these junior mining sucks that that we
40:37
could have a we. You know, I'm being I'm being
40:39
wildly optimistic, but you know, I think that that we that that
40:44
that a situation like that could possibly play out.
40:46
Hopefully it does. I don't believe you're being
40:48
wisely optimistic. I think you're being realistic.
40:50
And here's the example and we'll clearly finish on this note.
40:54
Goldfields recently made a major acquisition.
40:56
They paid a 70% premium, more than double than the usual 30 or
41:01
35% premium. They paid it in cash and they
41:05
literally said one of the main reasons they did that is because
41:09
they knew there were other majors competing with them.
41:13
That's the signal that the ball has rolled in, that the
41:15
boardrooms of the top 2020 fives recognize now that they have to
41:21
go. So if I have a company, I just
41:24
have to use it? Northern Superior has almost 4
41:26
million oz. It's being valued somewhere is
41:29
around $15.00 an ounce in the ground.
41:31
They could pay double the price for the stock.
41:33
Now we'd all be kind of happy, all right to double the price
41:36
and still only pay $30.00 for in ground.
41:39
And Peter, that O Cisco acquisition that was goldfields
41:43
in South African department, I've heard many Times Now that
41:47
that was valued at $200.00 an ounce, yes.
41:51
Yes, because it was well advanced and there was another
41:55
deal done recently, which was impressive because not only did
41:58
they pay over a billion dollars for it, but they're still going
42:01
to need to put another billion dollars into it to get it into
42:04
production. So the tide has turned from the
42:07
business end of it, whether or not the investment end is still
42:10
no momentum. But you made a case in point.
42:12
You're just going to need some of those examples.
42:15
And it's probably several months still to wait till everything
42:17
basically double s, you know, the good ones and all.
42:20
And then the public wakes up and it's probably going to tie in
42:23
with a turn down in the overall market.
42:25
And now their eyes are willing to look elsewhere.
42:28
And, and that's why I've been willing to take this chance in
42:31
this late part of my life to be so aggressive at this point in
42:35
time. At least that's what I'm telling
42:36
the wife. Peter, thank you so much.
42:40
I want to remind everyone this is Peter's book, Confessions of
42:43
a Former former Wall Street Whizkid.
42:46
I've read it twice. It's a great book.
42:49
If you want to learn more about Peter Grandich, people can go to
42:52
petergrandich.com. Is that correct?
42:55
Yeah, so at petergrandich.com you can actually read the book
42:58
online. You don't even have to order it
43:00
and and buy it. So Peter, grandich.com, there's
43:05
a link that says resources hit suggested readings, all our
43:08
booklets and all that I've written there.
43:10
I do do YouTube where like great interviews like this I place up
43:15
but where most of my commenting now is on my ex page I still
43:19
call it Twitter. It's.
43:22
The best and fastest and easiest way to communicate to people and
43:27
the we're in that type of society now.
43:29
We're instantaneously. Sometimes you have to make
43:31
decisions where periods before we could wait.
43:34
Now, unfortunately, we can't. Yeah, yeah.
43:37
OK. So for our viewer, you can
43:39
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43:42
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43:45
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43:52
petergranich.com. Peter, as always, it's a big
43:56
pleasure to get to talk to you. You're a great friend of mine
43:59
and a great friend of our channel.
44:01
I know our viewers always enjoy our conversation, so thank you
44:06
and I'll be bugging you in six or seven weeks to get you back
44:10
on on the channel. Thank you.
44:12
And put my hand on the Bible. Let me just say, the pleasure
44:14
has been all mine, Ronnie. Thank you, Peter.