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Bonus Episode: Out of Shadows · Conspiracy! The Show

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Speaker 1: Hey, everybody, welcome to Conspiracy the Show. I'm Adam Todd Brown.
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Speaker 1: podcast turned out very nicely. So it's fine. But uh,
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Speaker 1: we're talking about some ship today.
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Speaker 2: We're talking about some shitty ship today.
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Speaker 1: We are we are talking about the documentary Out of Shadows.
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Speaker 1: Had you heard anything about this before?
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Speaker 2: I hadn't. It came out this year, right, twenty twenty.
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Speaker 1: Came of course, it came out in twenty twenty. This
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Speaker 1: is the most twenty twenty documentary possible. It blew up
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Speaker 1: on YouTube over the summer.
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Speaker 3: I mean it seemed like a whole lot of like
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Speaker 3: stuff that is not new, not novel. So it's like,
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Speaker 3: you know, this big revelation and it's funny because like
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Speaker 3: the narrator, you know, I don't.
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Speaker 2: I don't want to like, I don't like judging. But
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Speaker 2: it was distracting because he sounded kind of like a himbo.
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Speaker 1: Yeah. The guy who made this is a stuntman named
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Speaker 1: Mike Smith, and it's really got this quality of like
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Speaker 1: someone who just read a book about the CIA for
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Speaker 1: the first time and is like, you're not going to
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Speaker 1: believe what I found out. It's like, are you gonna
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Speaker 1: tell us about MK ultra? Oh, yeah, you already know
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Speaker 1: about that? We sure do, we all know about it.
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Speaker 1: And he does this thing right away that I hate,
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Speaker 1: where he's like, I've never been a conspiracy guy. I
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Speaker 1: don't like, I don't have time to look into stuff
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Speaker 1: like that. It's like, motherfucker, you are making a conspiracy
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Speaker 1: documentary right now. You clearly have the time, Like I
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Speaker 1: don't make conspiracy documentaries.
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Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean, it's also it's.
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Speaker 3: Just you know, why, why are you shitting on people
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Speaker 3: who who want to know what's really going on?
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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's that thing where like you want to distance
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Speaker 1: yourself from the term conspiracy theory.
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Speaker 3: I understand that because it wasn't on the term coined
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Speaker 3: by the CIA initially, and it was you know, it
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Speaker 3: wasn't it was derogatory.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's and that See that's the thing about this documentary.
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Speaker 1: They bring up a lot of good points, but there
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Speaker 1: are points that so many people have made so many times,
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Speaker 1: and they're all building to a conclusion that I think
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Speaker 1: is just objectively wrong and it's yeah.
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Speaker 3: I mean that's the issue with the whole QAnon stuff
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Speaker 3: for me is that you know, they're taking little bits
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Speaker 3: of you know, issues and dumping it in this gumbo
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Speaker 3: of bullshit and then it's just it's it's just extra
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Speaker 3: confusing for people who don't have information and people who do.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, it feels once you.
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Speaker 3: Slap the q andon stamp on it and then it's like, okay,
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Speaker 3: good label, file it away.
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Speaker 1: Is that so we know, you know, see that's the thing.
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Speaker 1: It feels like a QAnon indoctrination video. Yeah.
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Speaker 3: Where I was put off was I think when he
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Speaker 3: started sort of selling Christianity. Yeah, that's that was the
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Speaker 3: first red flag for me because it's like, oh, is
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Speaker 3: he you know, is he going to start talking about
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Speaker 3: his savior? You know, like it's where's this going to go?
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Speaker 3: And that makes more sense because yeah, you were right
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Speaker 3: about there being a lot of uh progressive people of
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Speaker 3: power featured versus you know, not really so many conservatives,
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Speaker 3: even though you know they're everyone's all of them have
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Speaker 3: been to Epstein's Island exactly.
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Speaker 1: That's the thing about this video. If there is a plot,
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Speaker 1: this video is part of it. This video isn't exposing anything.
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Speaker 1: This video is part of that plot. That's what it
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Speaker 1: feels like to me, because it is very clearly trying
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Speaker 1: to set up one side of the United States basically
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Speaker 1: as being the perpetrators of global sex trafficking, and especially
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Speaker 1: if it's coming from a conservative viewpoint. We know conservatives
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Speaker 1: fucking love Trump, and Trump has been accused of sexual
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Speaker 1: misconduct by twenty six different women. So to paint this
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Speaker 1: as a thing that, oh, it's all Hollywood liberal elites
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Speaker 1: doing this, it's like, no, you're just being You're also
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Speaker 1: being brainwashed, which is so ironic from a documentary about
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Speaker 1: people being brainwashed. Basically.
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Speaker 3: I mean, that's the whole confusing thing about QAnon is
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Speaker 3: just this hodgepodge of shit that it as you know,
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Speaker 3: it's that's constructed for a specific agenda.
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Speaker 1: Right, And I think the earliest example of that in
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Speaker 1: this documentary is when they start talking about the CIA
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Speaker 1: being involved in movie making, and it's like they treat
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Speaker 1: it like this big revelation. The CIA has a page
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Speaker 1: on their website about it, like, yeah, that's like Jennifer
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Speaker 1: Garner did a CIA recruitment video because they were consultants
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Speaker 1: on alias, like we know the CIA is involved, Like,
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Speaker 1: and it only stands to reason that they would be
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Speaker 1: Like if you're a filmmaker and you're putting the CIA
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Speaker 1: in your movie and you go to them and go, hey,
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Speaker 1: you got someone there that wants to consult on this,
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Speaker 1: CIA is not going to say no. They're gonna be like, hell,
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Speaker 1: yeah we do, and they're gonna make themselves look as
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Speaker 1: heroic as possible.
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Speaker 2: We know.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean it was funny how it was just
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Speaker 3: like his mind was blown just every few minutes, like
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Speaker 3: the government uses media.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's not these aren't novel this isn't new information.
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Speaker 2: As you said, Yeah, there's.
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Speaker 1: A real smoked weed for the first time moment coming
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Speaker 1: up that I absolutely love.
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Speaker 2: I'm not gonna lie.
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Speaker 3: A couple of them seemed like they were stoned right
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Speaker 3: there and then, which I'm not gonna hate on, but
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Speaker 3: it's just like, you know, you weren't even hiding it.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, it kind of felt that way, And I
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Speaker 1: was like, did you just get high for the first time?
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Speaker 1: Is that why this documentary is happening? The world's expanding? Man?
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Speaker 1: This documentary has so much about Mike Smith's days as
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Speaker 1: a stunt man in it. And I feel like they
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Speaker 1: do that at two separate points. And it's supposed to
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Speaker 1: be like giving us in like comforting us that these
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Speaker 1: are actually inside Hollywood's sources who would know these things.
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Speaker 1: And it's like, are they, like, are stunt men really
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Speaker 1: at that kind of level where they would know about
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Speaker 1: all the Illuminati shit happening in Hollywood?
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Speaker 3: I mean, yeah, they could have sort of diversified the
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Speaker 3: pool of witnesses.
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Speaker 2: He's just yeah, it does.
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Speaker 3: And it wasn't just one stunt dude. It was like
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Speaker 3: there were a couple of them, right, So.
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Speaker 1: Two stunt men. It was. It was odd also odd.
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Speaker 1: One of the earliest interviews is with Mike's pelvic floor therapist.
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Speaker 3: Oh my god, he couldn't even show They could even
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Speaker 3: show her image due to the sensitive nature of her profession.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, what what does that mean?
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Speaker 2: I don't know.
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Speaker 3: I mean, also, she was talking about like she's the
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Speaker 3: one who sort of had like that hunch that he was,
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Speaker 3: you know, had some darkness around him, which was never
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Speaker 3: they never really followed that up, by the way.
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Speaker 1: It's very weird. Yeah, she says, she says something about
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Speaker 1: him having some darkness to him, and then that led
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Speaker 1: to all these revelations about the government diddling kids.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, she I think she may have introduced him to
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Speaker 3: the idea because she was saying, like, she's worked with
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Speaker 3: people who've experienced trauma, and a lot one of those
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Speaker 3: people are people who you know, experienced it at the
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Speaker 3: hands of government or Hollywood, like the pedophilia thing I
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Speaker 3: think she was talking about.
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Speaker 2: But like, I don't know that that's what she's just saying.
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Speaker 2: I don't know who this woman is. I can't see what.
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Speaker 2: Did they even have her name? They didn't have anything.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, they didn't give us any information about this woman,
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Speaker 1: which is obviously very suspicious. She's not in that sensitive
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Speaker 1: of a profession like Mike is putting his career on
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Speaker 1: the line more than anything. Like she's not going to
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Speaker 1: lose her job as a pelvic floor therapist by saying
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Speaker 1: I've seen some abuse kids. I know what it looks like. Like,
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Speaker 1: of course you have.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, it was odd, a lot of weird choices.
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Speaker 1: And the point where it starts to really feel like
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Speaker 1: a QAnon thing for me is right around the twelve
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Speaker 1: minute mark, so very quick, it doesn't take long at all. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: and that's the part where Mike starts talking about how
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Speaker 1: the first thing he did after his pelvic floor therapist
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Speaker 1: woke him up to the ways of the world was
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Speaker 1: go home and delete all his social media and then
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Speaker 1: he just set up a shadow account and started following
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Speaker 1: other people who are also seeking the truth. So what
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Speaker 1: they're saying right off the bat in a documentary where
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Speaker 1: multiple times they're like, you know, just use your critical
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Speaker 1: thinking and look into it for yourself. Twelve minutes in
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Speaker 1: they're like, but also only take the information you get
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Speaker 1: from these people on Twitter, which that's that's suspicious, Mike.
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Speaker 1: You feel like this feels like Mike Smith finally got
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Speaker 1: like a leading man role. They were like, look, we
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Speaker 1: just need a dude to pretend like he's a Hollywood
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Speaker 1: insider and knows all this stuff. Can you be the
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Speaker 1: face of that? And he's like, fuck, yeah, my moment
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Speaker 1: has arrived.
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Speaker 2: He's thrown up the bullhorns.
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Speaker 1: Fuck yeah, fuck yeah yeah the devil horns.
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Speaker 2: Oh the devil horns. Yeah yeah.
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Speaker 1: So that like the first thing this documentary wants you
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Speaker 1: to do is get your information exclusively from blogs and
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Speaker 1: Twitter attacks, and like it acts like CNN and Fox
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Speaker 1: News are the only media outlets. Yeah, like you can,
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Speaker 1: I feel like because they also get into Operation Mockingbird,
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Speaker 1: which is a real CIA thing that happened, And I
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Speaker 1: actually feel like you can just get a feel for
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Speaker 1: what media outlets might be a part of that by
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Speaker 1: what stories they cover, Like when there was this nationwide
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Speaker 1: McDonald's walkout, like McDonald's was the first company, like the
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Speaker 1: first major US corporation that was hit with like a
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Speaker 1: big me too protest and a big me too lawsuit,
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Speaker 1: and none of the big media outlets covered it, Like
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Speaker 1: no one heard about it. It wasn't on CNN, it
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Speaker 1: wasn't on the New York Times, but like the Daily
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Speaker 1: Beast covered it, Vox covered it. Like you can kind
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Speaker 1: of tell who's willing to shit on advertisers, Like that's
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Speaker 1: probably a media outlet you can trust.
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Speaker 2: Daily Beast takes a lot of risks.
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Speaker 3: But I mean, of course, any saying that they're saying,
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Speaker 3: you know, I think like a big point of the
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Speaker 3: movie is use your critical thinking skills.
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Speaker 2: But it's sort of like the whole use it when
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Speaker 2: it's convenient to our message.
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Speaker 1: Right right, What they're basically saying is listen to exactly
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Speaker 1: what we're telling you and believe the same thing we believe,
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Speaker 1: and that is critical thinking, which blows my fucking mind.
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Speaker 1: They also make a big deal of how many media
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Speaker 1: outlets Disney owns, and this is the part where they
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Speaker 1: start getting into acting like it's just this one side,
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Speaker 1: Like you see a lot of shots of well known
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Speaker 1: liberal actors, musicians, politicians, and they do this thing, this
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Speaker 1: like tree showing all the station's Disney owns, and then
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Speaker 1: they pull way out and it says like Trilateral Commission
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Speaker 1: up in the corner, and it's like, man, you are
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Speaker 1: swinging for the fucking fences.
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Speaker 3: And then there's no explanation as to what's connecting them
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Speaker 3: except the line. It's just a line between the two entities,
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Speaker 3: like they're connected, but no further explanation. There's really not
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Speaker 3: really any evidence provided. I think it's just sort of
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Speaker 3: like testimony from people we haven't heard of.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, And it's another way for them to drive home
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Speaker 1: the idea that only people who believe this the things
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Speaker 1: they're telling you, that's what you can believe. But if
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Speaker 1: anyone tells you anything different, they're part of the plot.
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Speaker 1: And like you see that with flat earthers, like they
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Speaker 1: hear that like they say that same thing, and it's
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Speaker 1: like it's cult shit, Like they're trying to isolate these
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Speaker 1: people from the rest of society in a way that
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Speaker 1: makes them feel like they're actually more a part of
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Speaker 1: society because they're woke, and it's like, no, you are
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Speaker 1: just being easily controlled.
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Speaker 3: I think there's an addictive component to some of these
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Speaker 3: conspiracy theories, because yeah, you go deep enough down the hole,
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Speaker 3: it's like you just it becomes compulsive.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, And in this section is where you start to
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Speaker 1: see that thing where they don't mention any of this
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Speaker 1: happening with right wing outlets, Like they kind of mentioned
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Speaker 1: Fox News to be like, oh, look at us being
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Speaker 1: fair and balance criticizing Fox News too, But it's like,
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Speaker 1: what about Sinclair Broadcast Company, which owns most local news outlets,
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Speaker 1: Like they touch on this thing that we've seen on
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Speaker 1: the internet a bunch of times where all these local
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Speaker 1: news reporters from around the country are reading the same
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Speaker 1: script and talking about the same story. Well, we know
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Speaker 1: where that's coming from, and it's coming from a decidedly
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Speaker 1: right wing outlet called Sinclair Broadcast Company. One of the
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Speaker 1: things they made their reporters read at one point was
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Speaker 1: a thing praising George W. Bush during the Iraq War,
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Speaker 1: Like you can't present this as evidence and then leave
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Speaker 1: out the fact that, oh, yeah, the people you trust
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Speaker 1: are doing it also, so like they try and make
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Speaker 1: it seem like a CIA thing, where it's like, no,
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Speaker 1: it's that's just the other half, Like that's the other
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Speaker 1: half of our political process doing the exact same thing
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Speaker 1: you're accusing the other half of doing.
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Speaker 3: So essentially it's propaganda to you know, shit on the
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Speaker 3: left a bit.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's what it feels like.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean like there's sort.
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Speaker 3: Of you know, they did show Fox News, but also
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Speaker 3: there were it did seem way softer on the right.
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Speaker 3: There was like a sort of a spotlight shining on
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Speaker 3: the you know, the left. But yeah, i mean we
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Speaker 3: all know that Epstein's Island wasn't full of just democrats, right, And.
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Speaker 1: That's one of the frustrating things about this. They like
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Speaker 1: that's kind of the conclusion it's building to, is look
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Speaker 1: at all these democrats touching kids. It's like, yeah, sex
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Speaker 1: trafficking is a problem, but it's not strictly a Democrat problem.
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Speaker 1: That's an insane thing to believe.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, you're rewriting you know, you're rewriting something to suit
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Speaker 3: your agenda. I mean, it's it's just yeah, it's reeking
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Speaker 3: with motive.
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Speaker 2: And the like.
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Speaker 1: One of the things they bring up to back up
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Speaker 1: their point that movies studios are in touch with the government.
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Speaker 1: Which who doesn't know that, Like everyone knows.
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Speaker 3: That anyone with enough money and power and access is
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Speaker 3: in touch with the government.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, And that's that's our system working exactly as
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Speaker 1: it's meant to. Like, that's capitalism for you. Sorry, Like
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Speaker 1: maybe you should be voting for more socialists instead of
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Speaker 1: voting for Trump, you fucking dumb dumbs. And like they
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Speaker 1: bring up the Sony hack, which happened because of the
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Speaker 1: seth Rogen movie the interview, and they're like using that
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Speaker 1: as this shocking example of the government being in touch
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Speaker 1: with movie studios. And it's like North Korea threatened to
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Speaker 1: kill Americans over that movie.
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Speaker 4: You think the.
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Speaker 1: Government's not gonna check in on the situation and see
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Speaker 1: how Sony's gonna handle it. Of course they were in
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Speaker 1: touch with the government, probably before the I believe even
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Speaker 1: before they made the movie. They were in touch with
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Speaker 1: the government, which.
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Speaker 3: I mean, anyone who is the head of a large
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Speaker 3: of like a huge corporation and use international Core is
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Speaker 3: going to have the number for top government officials, yeah,
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Speaker 3: and vice versa. Like I mean, it's a capitalist society,
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Speaker 3: so people with money and power tend to congregate.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, and they The next person they bring up is
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Speaker 1: this CIA whistleblower named Kevin Ship, and again all he's
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Speaker 1: telling us is that the CIA and Hollywood work together.
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Speaker 1: And he finally brings up you know, there's even a
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Speaker 1: web there's even a page on their website. And it's like,
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Speaker 1: well and it's not a secret, dude, Like you're not
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Speaker 1: this isn't here's this isn't. This isn't information that should
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Speaker 1: make people want to lock Hillary Clinton up for eating
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Speaker 1: children's faces, Like these are two separate things.
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Speaker 3: And it's like, yeah, you're going hard on Hillary and yeah,
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Speaker 3: she's like, you know, it's the other side's no better.
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Speaker 1: No, no, And that's that that is. We'll get to it.
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Speaker 1: But next they bring up this there's another stunt man
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Speaker 1: named Brad Smith, and once again we get this whole
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Speaker 1: montage of him working really hard as a stuntman in
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Speaker 1: Hollywood and it's like, Okay, you can fall off a
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Speaker 1: building without getting hurt, Like how does that make you
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Speaker 1: an expert on global sex trafficking?
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Speaker 3: It just seem like they were sort of using this
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Speaker 3: platform as a way to showcase how they like broke
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Speaker 3: from below the line to above the line. Yeah, they go,
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Speaker 3: now we get to hobnob with the celebrities. Like That's
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Speaker 3: what it kind of seemed like. But yeah, like like
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Speaker 3: you asked, how does how does make you an expert
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Speaker 3: on this ship?
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Speaker 1: Yeah? Like, we live in Los Angeles. All of us
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Speaker 1: have met celebrities. That doesn't mean I get.
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Speaker 2: To do some of us are? You know you're verified
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Speaker 2: on Twitter?
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Speaker 1: I just got verified on Twitter too, so hey hell yeah,
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Speaker 1: well then yeah that means celebrity. I was gonna say
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Speaker 1: that's a very low bar. But no, if we're both verified,
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Speaker 1: yeah yeah, we're celebrities.
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Speaker 3: Where's the illuminati? Where's the government?
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Speaker 1: They're gonna be like, when do I get to sit
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Speaker 1: on sit in on those Twitter meetings about blocking conservative
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Speaker 1: viewpoints and things like?
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Speaker 3: I think we got to start shooting music videos like
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Speaker 3: Katy Perry put the you know, the Egyptian I and
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Speaker 3: the and the triangles and the pyramids.
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Speaker 1: Harry I know, man, he gets it so bad in
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Speaker 1: this documentary Can the girl just sing?
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Speaker 2: Can the girl just sing her art out and have
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Speaker 2: cool imagery?
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Speaker 1: Why are you focusing on Katy Perry And they're like
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Speaker 1: she used to be a Christian artist.
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Speaker 3: It's like, yeah, that was like initially that that big
19:26
Speaker 3: red flag for me is like yeah, this sort of
19:29
Speaker 3: it did seem sort of Christian leaning, like this is
19:32
Speaker 3: the way, this is the path, and anyone that says
19:34
Speaker 3: this is the path, Yeah, that's that's certainly like.
19:37
Speaker 2: Gives me pause.
19:39
Speaker 1: Yeah, he uses the term awake at one point, which
19:42
Speaker 1: is a QAnon thing, Like that is a absolutely a
19:47
Speaker 1: q andon term.
19:48
Speaker 3: The thing that bothers me about QAnon is they pull
19:51
Speaker 3: so much from everything else. It's like they conveniently pull
19:54
Speaker 3: just things from so many theories and belief systems, and that's.
20:01
Speaker 2: Stop stealing.
20:02
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's and that's that's kind of what this is.
20:05
Speaker 1: Like they're there, this is just a mishmash of different
20:08
Speaker 1: conspiracy theories that they think all builds up to a
20:12
Speaker 1: point that it doesn't actually build up to.
20:15
Speaker 3: Yeah, they're reappropriating all of this sh sh this shit.
20:18
Speaker 3: So it is confusing because yeah, like you know, we
20:21
Speaker 3: do hear some stuff in there. It's like Okay, yeah,
20:23
Speaker 3: there are huge problems. There are government cover ups. Duh.
20:26
Speaker 3: You know, duh, But like yeah, you just sort of yeah,
20:30
Speaker 3: you're creating this propaganda that I guess it's easier to
20:34
Speaker 3: get people to believe if you know they can resonate
20:36
Speaker 3: with something in there.
20:38
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean if you can point to actual things
20:40
Speaker 1: that happened in history and be like, see you, this
20:42
Speaker 1: is a part of it. But I don't think it's
20:44
Speaker 1: a part of it. Like they bring up Operation paper Clip,
20:48
Speaker 1: which was this CIA program where they would go out
20:51
Speaker 1: to journalists and basically give them money to spread CIA
20:55
Speaker 1: talking points, and they're like, do you think that has ended?
20:59
Speaker 1: And it's like I don't, But what does that have
21:03
Speaker 1: to do with the point you're building to? Like, of course,
21:08
Speaker 1: the American government has some sway in what messages are
21:12
Speaker 1: sent to people, Like that's kind of one of the
21:15
Speaker 1: bedrocks of the United States is that we control shit
21:20
Speaker 1: like that in kind of a really hands off way,
21:23
Speaker 1: which makes it feel like, oh, we're so free, we
21:26
Speaker 1: have so much freedom, And it's like, no, the government
21:28
Speaker 1: just doesn't come beat you for saying the wrong thing.
21:32
Speaker 1: Not always sometimes they will, but it's like none of
21:36
Speaker 1: this is evidence of where this documentary is going. And
21:40
Speaker 1: you can see where it's going is like pretty early
21:43
Speaker 1: in and it's going to some Pizzagate shit.
21:45
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, yeah, that's sort of like the cherry and
21:47
Speaker 3: that's sort of where climax is. It's like, okay, this
21:50
Speaker 3: is I mean, I think it's so interesting that powerful
21:55
Speaker 3: people use pedophilia as a weapon. So pedophilia is so rampant,
22:00
Speaker 3: like you know, allegedly we hear this pedophilia so rampant.
22:04
Speaker 2: But it's also it's such a weird thing, like why
22:07
Speaker 2: who's making this shit up?
22:09
Speaker 3: Like, oh well, we'll just get a bunch of nasty
22:10
Speaker 3: pictures of these politicians doing like pedophilia acts acts of pedophilia,
22:16
Speaker 3: and that is the you know what I'm saying. There's
22:18
Speaker 3: so many other things that you could do. It's like
22:20
Speaker 3: why do you have to bring children into this? Yeah,
22:22
Speaker 3: and it is where where does this idea come from?
22:25
Speaker 1: And it is all very disturbing the things the CIA
22:29
Speaker 1: did as part of mk Ultra, which they get into
22:32
Speaker 1: a bunch here also, and they even kind of touch
22:35
Speaker 1: on a theory that I've always had, which is that
22:39
Speaker 1: after MK Ultra ended, there was this like mk ultra
22:43
Speaker 1: happened at colleges and universities, and eventually it was found
22:47
Speaker 1: out as part of the Church Committee. And they do
22:49
Speaker 1: talk about all this, but again they talk about it
22:51
Speaker 1: like it's a thing no one's ever known. And so
22:55
Speaker 1: the CIA had to be like, all right, well, I
22:57
Speaker 1: guess we won't do that anymore at colleges and hospitals.
23:02
Speaker 1: But what if we just set up a bunch of
23:04
Speaker 1: communes and cults all around the world and just carried
23:07
Speaker 1: out the same experiments and things of the like that way.
23:11
Speaker 1: I absolutely think that the CIA is still involved in
23:14
Speaker 1: shit like that. We did the Finders episode, then someone
23:18
Speaker 1: came and went through my garbage the next day, Like
23:20
Speaker 1: that is clearly a CIA affiliated sex cult. Yeah, I
23:26
Speaker 1: remember that. Did I tell you that part?
23:28
Speaker 2: No, we you didn't tell me someone went to your garbage.
23:31
Speaker 1: We recorded that episode and then the next day I
23:34
Speaker 1: showed up at the studio and as soon as I
23:36
Speaker 1: got there, some dude just walked up and started rifling
23:40
Speaker 1: through my garbage, which had never happened. The studio was
23:44
Speaker 1: in Burbank, but not in like a homeless area of Burbank,
23:49
Speaker 1: like it was a very residential area and it was
23:51
Speaker 1: just such a weird thing to have happened the day
23:54
Speaker 1: after recording that podcast. I'm sure it's just a coincidence,
23:58
Speaker 1: but it was a weird coincidence. And either way, the
24:01
Speaker 1: CIA fucking was affiliated with a sex cult in the eighties. Like,
24:06
Speaker 1: go back and listen to the Finders episode, like we
24:09
Speaker 1: know all this, even the MK Ultra thing. It builds
24:12
Speaker 1: up to them basically implying that Zoolander is based on
24:17
Speaker 1: actual events, and it's like, that's the landing you're trying
24:20
Speaker 1: to stick right now, convincing me that Zoolander is the
24:23
Speaker 1: government admitting to participating in mind control? Why would they
24:28
Speaker 1: do that? Why would the government make a lighthearted Ben
24:32
Speaker 1: Stiller film about how they've been brainwashing the masses with
24:35
Speaker 1: mind control?
24:36
Speaker 3: Because they say a cult people love symbolism.
24:41
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's such an easy excuse. I found out Satanists
24:44
Speaker 1: have to reveal who they really are. Okay, well, I
24:48
Speaker 1: think the body they're all narses the same thing, they're
24:50
Speaker 1: an Yeah, pretty much.
24:53
Speaker 2: Which here's the thing.
24:54
Speaker 1: Isn't that what you want? Like, if this is your enemy,
24:56
Speaker 1: don't you want them to be like, hey, here I am,
24:58
Speaker 1: here's my fucking jay z Diamond, So you know who
25:02
Speaker 1: not to trust, Like that's ideal.
25:05
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's that's I don't yeah, I don't know. It's
25:09
Speaker 3: it's the reaching.
25:10
Speaker 1: They're definitely reaching. There's a moment in this movie I've
25:15
Speaker 1: already kind of hinted at it that really just feels
25:18
Speaker 1: like a oh man, I just smoked weed for the
25:20
Speaker 1: first time. And instead of trying to the entire movie, yeah,
25:26
Speaker 1: the entire movie, but especially this part where he's explaining
25:29
Speaker 1: what Hollywood means, let's let's listen to it. This is
25:33
Speaker 1: this is Mike Smith getting deep man.
25:36
Speaker 4: All right, So look, here's the deal. They have been
25:40
Speaker 4: desensitizing as since we were born, and I'll give you
25:43
Speaker 4: some examples.
25:44
Speaker 2: Let's start with the big one.
25:45
Speaker 4: Let's start with words we hear all the time and
25:47
Speaker 4: never even think about. Let's start with the word entertainment,
25:51
Speaker 4: to entertain what does that mean to bind er old,
25:54
Speaker 4: to bind her hold? What an audience's attention? Okay, Now,
25:58
Speaker 4: let's take the word hollywood. Where does that come from? Well,
26:01
Speaker 4: hollywood comes from the holly tree, and the ancient druids
26:06
Speaker 4: back in the day used to take the holly tree
26:08
Speaker 4: make wands to weave spells, cast spells, or channel spells,
26:14
Speaker 4: and when they needed help, they would consult the magize
26:17
Speaker 4: or the mediums of the day to help channel their
26:20
Speaker 4: spells to the population. We'll cut to today. What do
26:24
Speaker 4: we have in our houses?
26:26
Speaker 1: We have these blatten boxes? What do they call? Everybody?
26:31
Speaker 1: But if you stop and you.
26:32
Speaker 4: Say the word tell a vision television, And when you
26:38
Speaker 4: turn on that television, what.
26:40
Speaker 1: Do you get?
26:41
Speaker 4: What's the first thing that pops up? Els of channels?
26:46
Speaker 4: And when you turn on those channels, what's on those channels? Programming?
26:54
Speaker 4: They are programming you. They've been life. You don't even
26:58
Speaker 4: know it. They do it with your music, they do
27:01
Speaker 4: it with your TV, they do it with your movies,
27:03
Speaker 4: they do it with your games. They have been programming
27:06
Speaker 4: us and programming you since you were little, and you
27:10
Speaker 4: don't even know it because you don't even question.
27:13
Speaker 1: More like hollyweird man.
27:18
Speaker 3: So these revelations are yeah, super new Hollywood, the holly,
27:23
Speaker 3: the holly bush man, come.
27:25
Speaker 1: On the holly tree like. So, I guess Christmas is
27:28
Speaker 1: pretty suspect too, because holly is a big part of that.
27:31
Speaker 1: Where you you put the holly above your head and
27:34
Speaker 1: then you gotta kiss and I guess that's that's the Holly,
27:38
Speaker 1: controlling people and making them and this is there's so
27:41
Speaker 1: many layers. There's so many layers, where what are we
27:44
Speaker 1: gonna do?
27:45
Speaker 3: So like instead of unpeeling the layers, it was sort
27:48
Speaker 3: of like they took a knife and just chopped the
27:50
Speaker 3: onion in a half and they're like, see see tolls.
27:53
Speaker 1: Yeah, And they never quite explain what we're being programmed
27:57
Speaker 1: to do.
28:00
Speaker 3: They forgot, Man, we should have given they should they
28:03
Speaker 3: should have had more snacks on seid.
28:04
Speaker 2: You gotta stay sharp, like.
28:06
Speaker 1: They at one point they talk about like they do
28:10
Speaker 1: a screenshot of this Disney movie and like spell out
28:13
Speaker 1: the word sex in like a rope that's dangling. And
28:16
Speaker 1: then they start talking about like mk ultra child trauma,
28:21
Speaker 1: and it's like that is not child trauma, Like that
28:24
Speaker 1: is that is an animator being funny, Like that's not
28:28
Speaker 1: the same thing as what mk ultra was getting up to.
28:32
Speaker 3: If you could even spell like they you know, I
28:35
Speaker 3: was like do they even spell out sex or did
28:37
Speaker 3: they just write the word sex.
28:38
Speaker 2: Over the rope?
28:40
Speaker 1: Yeah? They did. They wrote out that like they were like,
28:43
Speaker 1: see it's it's right under where we put red ink
28:46
Speaker 1: over it, so sex like.
28:49
Speaker 3: Yeah, it didn't seem like they've even put red ink
28:51
Speaker 3: over every part of it. So it's like they just
28:54
Speaker 3: put red ink over the birth that spelled sex correct.
28:58
Speaker 1: Yeah, very convincing evidence. I'm sure people who saw that
29:03
Speaker 1: were like, ooh again, I think it was gonna come
29:05
Speaker 1: to this.
29:07
Speaker 2: Just work, what's convenient?
29:09
Speaker 1: Yeah, and they're they're trying to link to things that
29:12
Speaker 1: are not linked, Like we just did a couple weeks ago,
29:17
Speaker 1: we did an episode about subliminal messages in advertising and things,
29:21
Speaker 1: and like, the science on whether that stuff even works
29:26
Speaker 1: is very sketchy, mostly leaning toward no. It doesn't. Like
29:30
Speaker 1: it works if you have a person who is under
29:33
Speaker 1: the exact conditions you need them to be under. Like
29:36
Speaker 1: the example we used in that episode was if you
29:39
Speaker 1: flash the word pepsi on the screen during a movie,
29:43
Speaker 1: if the person watching that movie is thirsty, yeah, they
29:45
Speaker 1: might get up and go get a pepsi, But if
29:47
Speaker 1: they're drinking a coke, they're not gonna get up and
29:49
Speaker 1: go get a pepsi because you flash the word pepsi
29:52
Speaker 1: on the screen. Like, subliminal messages have such little reach,
29:57
Speaker 1: and to embed the word sex in a cartoon and
30:00
Speaker 1: expect that that should conceivably be tied to the sex
30:05
Speaker 1: stuff mk Ultra got into, Like those are such completely
30:09
Speaker 1: different things and the fact that both exist doesn't mean
30:12
Speaker 1: they're related at all.
30:14
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean the only thing that really relates them,
30:16
Speaker 3: I think.
30:17
Speaker 2: Is this film.
30:18
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's the thing that like this feels like QAnon propaganda.
30:22
Speaker 1: And that's what propaganda does. It cherry picks its information
30:27
Speaker 1: to build to a point that isn't true, and not
30:30
Speaker 1: only build to a point that isn't true, but build
30:32
Speaker 1: to a point that's meant to incite people to do
30:35
Speaker 1: something or feel a certain way.
30:37
Speaker 2: And like manipulation it is.
30:39
Speaker 1: And you see it where they they talk about the
30:42
Speaker 1: media being connected to the government, and again they only
30:46
Speaker 1: show democrats, Like as if there are no conservative actors
30:52
Speaker 1: or music. There's not a single picture Chris Pratt in
30:55
Speaker 1: this motherfucking things. Yeah, there's no shots a Ted.
30:59
Speaker 3: Nugent, Like where's Clint Eastwood?
31:02
Speaker 1: Yeah, Clint Eastwood is a pretty powerful Hollywood figure and
31:07
Speaker 1: he is very conservative, So what about him? Like, how'd
31:11
Speaker 1: he get a leg up in Hollywood if he's not
31:13
Speaker 1: playing their games? It makes no fucking sense. And like
31:18
Speaker 1: You're right. This is the point where it really starts
31:22
Speaker 1: to lose me because they get into Satanic Panic stuff,
31:25
Speaker 1: and I've always felt like that's what QAnon sorta is.
31:28
Speaker 1: It's just another mutation of the Satanic Panic where a
31:32
Speaker 1: lot of gullible Americans are going to be swept up
31:35
Speaker 1: into believing a thing that's not true and people are
31:38
Speaker 1: gonna get hurt over it. Like hundreds of people went
31:40
Speaker 1: to jail on completely false charges during the Satanic Panic
31:44
Speaker 1: and that's all QAnon. Once they only want like one hundred,
31:48
Speaker 1: one hundred and fifty people, just those Hollywood liberal elites
31:51
Speaker 1: that are causing all the problems in the world, and
31:53
Speaker 1: once they're gone, we'll be fine. And it's like, you naives,
31:57
Speaker 1: sons of bitches, there's no way we'll be fine after that.
32:00
Speaker 1: That's the Night of the Long Knives shit. That's just
32:03
Speaker 1: eliminating the opposition in the country.
32:06
Speaker 3: Yeah, and then brushing it aside like, Okay, well, you
32:09
Speaker 3: know we got rid of them. Now let's not be
32:11
Speaker 3: dramatic and talk about how we do the same thing.
32:14
Speaker 2: Let's move on to the real issues.
32:16
Speaker 3: So it's yeah, you're just trying to sort of dig
32:18
Speaker 3: just trying to tell people what to do, how to
32:20
Speaker 3: feel and act like you're not I have the.
32:24
Speaker 1: Example somewhere in the notes, and I bring it up
32:27
Speaker 1: all the time when it comes to QAnon. But in Brazil,
32:30
Speaker 1: there was this thing called Operation car Wash, which was
32:33
Speaker 1: this huge scandal that went back decades involving politicians on
32:38
Speaker 1: both sides of the Aisle in Brazil, and it's basically
32:41
Speaker 1: a bribery scheme where any government contract just off the
32:45
Speaker 1: top included bribery money that would go to whoever approved it.
32:49
Speaker 1: And at one point the right was like, oh, man,
32:53
Speaker 1: what if we launch an investigation into that and just
32:55
Speaker 1: make it seem like it was left doing it, when
32:58
Speaker 1: actually it was everyone doing it. They did it, and
33:00
Speaker 1: it worked like they impeached the sitting president over it.
33:04
Speaker 1: They arrested the previous president and threw him in prison,
33:07
Speaker 1: and then after Bolsonaro took power, all these recordings came
33:11
Speaker 1: out of people on the right engaging in the same thing,
33:14
Speaker 1: and they were like, the country can't go through that again.
33:17
Speaker 1: We need to just let that be a thing of
33:19
Speaker 1: the past.
33:19
Speaker 2: Now.
33:20
Speaker 1: We can't have another impeachment trial obviously, and it's.
33:23
Speaker 3: Like, wow, I know the hypocrisy it's I mean, it's
33:27
Speaker 3: it's infuriating, But like if I were to be infuriated
33:31
Speaker 3: by every time this happens, then I really wouldn't have
33:33
Speaker 3: any adrenaline left. So you know, it's just now it's
33:38
Speaker 3: just a I guess sad fact.
33:41
Speaker 1: Yeah, And then like you've got to understand your case
33:44
Speaker 1: isn't that strong when it comes to satanic stuff and
33:49
Speaker 1: celebrities If your only two examples in this documentary are
33:53
Speaker 1: Katy Perry and Sammy Davis Junior.
33:58
Speaker 3: They really show the pictures Sammy Davis Junior like just
34:02
Speaker 3: cuddled up to Anton Levy like they loved that.
34:05
Speaker 2: They loved that shot and like everyone.
34:08
Speaker 1: Was worshiping Satan in the sixties. Go listen to a
34:10
Speaker 1: led Zeppelin.
34:11
Speaker 2: Album, yeah, or Helter Skelter.
34:13
Speaker 4: Yeah.
34:15
Speaker 1: Really, you gotta get Sammy Davis Junior off the streets
34:18
Speaker 1: spread in his satanic messages. Oh yeah, he's dead.
34:21
Speaker 2: I just think they liked that photo.
34:23
Speaker 3: It was actually a really great photo of those two.
34:25
Speaker 2: Like that's something that would have made social medis.
34:28
Speaker 3: That was like I think, feed worthy, gridworthy.
34:32
Speaker 2: On the ground.
34:33
Speaker 1: Yeah, I like if I saw that, if I was
34:36
Speaker 1: decorating a new apartment and saw that as a poster somewhere,
34:39
Speaker 1: I'd be like, maybe that would look cool in the
34:42
Speaker 1: living room. Satan guy and Sammy Davis Junior. Doesn't mean
34:45
Speaker 1: I'm a Satanist though, I can just.
34:46
Speaker 2: Appreciate the picture, you know, like I can.
34:49
Speaker 3: I like, you know, it was gonna be like, uh,
34:54
Speaker 3: lots of Jewish people. I mean, I'm you know, like yeah,
34:58
Speaker 3: it's in that like it's I'm their entertainment. I couldn't
35:01
Speaker 3: think of like one Jewish person.
35:05
Speaker 2: Specific.
35:06
Speaker 1: I know. That is shocking, I know. And so then
35:11
Speaker 1: they get into like the CIA helping to create the
35:14
Speaker 1: counterculture movement, and again it's like there was a book
35:17
Speaker 1: about that, like ten years ago, there were a series
35:20
Speaker 1: of twenty eight magazine articles.
35:22
Speaker 2: Is mel Gibson Jewish? Okay?
35:26
Speaker 1: I think so?
35:27
Speaker 2: I think so?
35:29
Speaker 1: And yeah, like that's what the CIA does. They accidentally
35:31
Speaker 1: cause problems like or is it accidental? Is al Qaeda accidental?
35:36
Speaker 1: Is isis accidental? I don't know, but the CIA played
35:39
Speaker 1: a big role in making both of those groups in.
35:42
Speaker 3: The THEIA is glorified in movies for being experts in espionage.
35:49
Speaker 3: Now it doesn't sound like people who are just you know,
35:52
Speaker 3: you know, not making plans. When they do shit, everything
35:56
Speaker 3: seems very choreographed. These aren't people who just, you know,
35:59
Speaker 3: make what's it called impulsive decisions.
36:03
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I think the people who are being invited
36:08
Speaker 1: to use their critical thinking aren't using their critical thinking
36:11
Speaker 1: when it comes to the CIA, Like, do you really
36:14
Speaker 1: think the CIA has just been caught? Like that's what
36:17
Speaker 1: you think is happening here, Like we've just found the
36:20
Speaker 1: CIA out and now they're running scared. Or would maybe
36:23
Speaker 1: the CIA be like, all right, these fucking Republicans aren't
36:26
Speaker 1: gonna give a shit if we're out here using kids
36:30
Speaker 1: to gain influence over foreign world leaders. So we'll just
36:34
Speaker 1: spin this in a way that takes down the side
36:37
Speaker 1: of the government that would be opposed to us doing this.
36:40
Speaker 1: It seems like the obvious logical conclusion is that if
36:44
Speaker 1: you're trying to paint this as just being one side,
36:47
Speaker 1: then the people behind it are probably behind this also,
36:51
Speaker 1: because there's like, just statistically speaking, there's no way this
36:56
Speaker 1: is just democrats.
36:58
Speaker 2: Oh, we know that for a fact.
36:59
Speaker 1: And it is obviously a problem if the CIA is
37:03
Speaker 1: somehow using underage girls to get politicians in compromising positions.
37:09
Speaker 1: But that's kind of what a lot. That's what a
37:11
Speaker 1: lot of people suspect was happening with Jeffrey Epstein, and like, yeah,
37:15
Speaker 1: that's all a problem, but it doesn't mean you got
37:17
Speaker 1: to throw Tom Hanks in guantanam obey. At some point
37:21
Speaker 1: you have to understand that's not really where this is leading. Like,
37:25
Speaker 1: Trump is not your superhero who's coming to save you
37:28
Speaker 1: from Hollywood elite pedophiles, probably a Hollywood elite. No, none.
37:33
Speaker 1: They don't mention Trump at all in this, which is
37:38
Speaker 1: so suspicious. They don't say anything good about him, they
37:41
Speaker 1: don't say anything bad about him, they don't bring him
37:43
Speaker 1: up when they're talking about Jeffrey Epstein, which there's as
37:47
Speaker 1: many photos and videos of Trump with Jeffrey Epstein as
37:50
Speaker 1: there are Bill Clinton. So why is it just Democrats
37:56
Speaker 1: and liberals throughout this whole thing?
37:58
Speaker 3: I mean, my guess is they're trying to snag progressive
38:02
Speaker 3: conspiracy theorists by putting in hints of stuff that they're
38:06
Speaker 3: already interested in and then sort of pulling them into QAnon.
38:10
Speaker 3: That's what it looks like, because they're not overtly supporting
38:15
Speaker 3: the right either, they're just sort of like, yeah, it's
38:19
Speaker 3: very it's it's subtle. It's somewhat I'm calling it subtle,
38:23
Speaker 3: and it's like a surfer dude narrating the whole thing.
38:26
Speaker 2: But yeah, and like, yeah, it does sound like my
38:31
Speaker 2: documentary Bra.
38:33
Speaker 1: There's satanic imagery on NBC Bro triangles, that's what most
38:41
Speaker 1: of it sounds like, Chaka Bra save the children. And
38:45
Speaker 1: like at one point, like, yes, all of these points
38:50
Speaker 1: they're making are completely valid. We certainly need to know
38:53
Speaker 1: more about Jeffrey Epstein's connections to any government, the American government.
38:59
Speaker 1: And like, I think there's this opinion on the right
39:02
Speaker 1: that if Bill Clinton went down as a result of
39:05
Speaker 1: the Jeffrey Epstein thing, people on the left would be
39:08
Speaker 1: upset by it. I won't give a fuck, Like I
39:11
Speaker 1: don't doubt that he should go down for that. I
39:13
Speaker 1: don't worship Bill Clinton the way people on the right
39:16
Speaker 1: worship Ronald Reagan or worship Donald Trump. And like, if
39:20
Speaker 1: you can't see that this documentary is part of that,
39:23
Speaker 1: then again you're the one not using your critical thinking,
39:26
Speaker 1: Like this is propaganda, propaganda meant to smear the left,
39:30
Speaker 1: using a problem we all know exists in the world.
39:33
Speaker 1: And here's the thing, John Podesta might be a pedophile.
39:36
Speaker 1: I don't know, could be like he does have a
39:38
Speaker 1: lot of weird artwork in his home. Still doesn't mean
39:41
Speaker 1: that there's a vast left wing conspiracy traffic kids that
39:46
Speaker 1: needs to be stopped by Donald Trump. That's crazy.
39:49
Speaker 3: Something else that stood out to me is that both
39:52
Speaker 3: of the stuntmen featured in this documentary would talk about
39:57
Speaker 3: the violence and how the violence and film is problematic,
40:02
Speaker 3: but it's it's sort of what they made their living
40:05
Speaker 3: off of. Yeah, and then you know, you say, sort of,
40:08
Speaker 3: these depictions are violent, but what about the reality of
40:13
Speaker 3: you know, of war, war that really doesn't do anything
40:17
Speaker 3: that made people money, and people are dying. How do
40:19
Speaker 3: you think they're dying? Like not elegantly, you know, people are.
40:23
Speaker 3: It's probably as violent as it is in the movies,
40:26
Speaker 3: except it's real.
40:27
Speaker 1: Yeah, And that's another example of them just taking all
40:31
Speaker 1: these talking points that people know have some validity to them. Like,
40:35
Speaker 1: of course there's some questions about how much violence should
40:39
Speaker 1: be on television, and obviously movies tend to glorify war
40:44
Speaker 1: in a way that is beneficial to the United States,
40:47
Speaker 1: And yeah, that sucks, But like none of that is
40:50
Speaker 1: new information, and none of it has anything to do
40:54
Speaker 1: with the ultimate point of this documentary. And I hate
40:58
Speaker 1: that because they like, right up until the end, there's
41:02
Speaker 1: all of these subjects they touch on where it's like, oh, yeah,
41:05
Speaker 1: that's yeah. Like even i'm watching it, I'm like, yeah,
41:07
Speaker 1: that's that's perfectly true. And then it gets to the
41:10
Speaker 1: end and all of the evidence and supporting information of
41:15
Speaker 1: what they're saying kind of falls by the wayside, and
41:17
Speaker 1: they're just like, also, Hollywood is programming satanist pedophile symbols
41:22
Speaker 1: into all of your entertainment, and you're being programmed, and
41:25
Speaker 1: it's like, citation needed.
41:28
Speaker 3: If I were to describe the film, I would just say,
41:30
Speaker 3: that's the description. Citation needed. Show me the picture of
41:33
Speaker 3: the who is the pelvic person?
41:36
Speaker 1: Yeah, who's the pelvic doctor? And why is nothing that
41:42
Speaker 1: happens on the right questioned? Like there's all of these
41:46
Speaker 1: questions around Marina Abramovich, who is a fucking weirdo obviously,
41:51
Speaker 1: but she's an artist and artists are weird, and she
41:54
Speaker 1: gets into a lot of macabres stuff in the way
41:58
Speaker 1: she presents her art, but so have lots of people
42:02
Speaker 1: throughout history, and like they present.
42:05
Speaker 3: This honestly, the crucification of Jesus is macabre in my opinion,
42:10
Speaker 3: and that is very violent, and the depiction of it
42:13
Speaker 3: is very violent. So and that's normalized. A person nailed
42:17
Speaker 3: to across and bleeding and and you know, cuts and
42:21
Speaker 3: stuff like, that's normalized. So it's just confusing that this
42:25
Speaker 3: is also their you know, the path of the Savior,
42:28
Speaker 3: but they have an issue with violence.
42:30
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't understand this idea that well, look there's
42:35
Speaker 1: this artist who holds these weird dinners and uh oh,
42:37
Speaker 1: there's Will Ferrell at this dinner. So all these people
42:41
Speaker 1: are Satanists. And it's like, well, what about Skull and Bones,
42:45
Speaker 1: which is that secret society at either Harvard or Yale
42:49
Speaker 1: or Bohemian Grove, which is this secret camp site for rich,
42:53
Speaker 1: powerful white dudes. And they do all of these crazy
42:58
Speaker 1: weird rituals at Bohemian Grove that people aren't supposed to
43:02
Speaker 1: know about. So what the fuck's all that about? If
43:07
Speaker 1: you're listening to this and you're just seething at the
43:09
Speaker 1: fact that Pizza and I don't necessarily believe that liberal
43:15
Speaker 1: elites are running a global sex trafficking ring.
43:18
Speaker 2: Not alone.
43:19
Speaker 1: Uh yeah, not alone. Go look into Bohemian grove and
43:24
Speaker 1: start asking some questions about what all those rituals are about,
43:27
Speaker 1: because you're gonna find the exact same thing. It's a
43:31
Speaker 1: lot of one eye shit, like freemason stuff is basically
43:36
Speaker 1: what they're describing here, and like that's on your dollar,
43:39
Speaker 1: bill man.
43:40
Speaker 3: Well, it's also political symbolism is reappropriated from Eastern cultures.
43:47
Speaker 3: You just sort of take you know, very sort of
43:49
Speaker 3: well known symbols. Like the Nazis took the swastika from
43:53
Speaker 3: Hinduism and just changed its meaning and they kept the name.
43:57
Speaker 2: Of his sastaa.
43:58
Speaker 3: So that's like, you know, you're reappropriate something in a
44:01
Speaker 3: very negative way. So like, you know, can hind I
44:05
Speaker 3: remember I went to India and like some kid was like, oh,
44:08
Speaker 3: I want to get the swastika tattooed on him. No,
44:10
Speaker 3: you know, I didn't know what the Nazis at me,
44:12
Speaker 3: but like I was like, that's not a good look.
44:13
Speaker 3: You know, little couz like don't do that. But also
44:17
Speaker 3: the you know, the Pyramids and then the I like
44:20
Speaker 3: Egyptian the ancient magician culture, like that's it's I don't know,
44:24
Speaker 3: it's it's like.
44:26
Speaker 2: The white man to do that.
44:28
Speaker 1: Well, It kind of reminds me of the ancient alien theory,
44:32
Speaker 1: which is basically, oh, at some point in the future,
44:35
Speaker 1: white men developed time travel and then they came back
44:38
Speaker 1: and told all these savage cultures how to build their society.
44:43
Speaker 1: And it's like, no, I think that's just white people
44:45
Speaker 1: trying to take credit for shit that they didn't do.
44:49
Speaker 1: They talked to Liz Croken, who is a journalist who
44:52
Speaker 1: was she reported on Pizzagate a whole bunch, and like,
44:57
Speaker 1: here's the thing, like, if you're gonna report on stuff
45:00
Speaker 1: like that, you kind of have to expect that you're
45:02
Speaker 1: going to be ostracized a little bit, whether it's true
45:06
Speaker 1: or false. And like, I've looked into Pizzagate, like I
45:11
Speaker 1: get that there is a lot of weirdness with John
45:14
Speaker 1: Podesta and his emails and the art that's on his walls,
45:18
Speaker 1: but again, it doesn't speak to this huge trafficking ring
45:23
Speaker 1: that they speak of, and I've never seen any evidence
45:27
Speaker 1: of that. Like Jeffrey Epstein. Obviously, yeah, we need to
45:30
Speaker 1: know what's going on with Jeffrey Epstein. But again, if
45:32
Speaker 1: you think it's just democrats, you're out of your fucking mind.
45:36
Speaker 1: You're lying to yourself I mean.
45:37
Speaker 2: They're all in bed together.
45:39
Speaker 3: It's just yeah, I mean it's like you know, they're
45:42
Speaker 3: Marionette's with the same you know, the same player, or
45:45
Speaker 3: they're right, you know, there's it's the same person, rich
45:49
Speaker 3: person pulling the strings or rich people for gentities.
45:52
Speaker 1: Yeah, like the the only way you can really take
45:55
Speaker 1: this seriously is to look at it as yeah, I
45:58
Speaker 1: don't care who goes.
45:59
Speaker 3: Down, Like I mean, like anyone who plays for the NFL,
46:04
Speaker 3: Like the teams who play for the NFL, they're still
46:06
Speaker 3: in the NFL. They're still you know, like being money,
46:10
Speaker 3: like sponsored and paid by the NFL. So it's like
46:14
Speaker 3: this is they're all they're the same, just different teams.
46:16
Speaker 3: Democrats and Republicans.
46:18
Speaker 1: Yeah, and that's like that. Even the like the Freakonomics
46:20
Speaker 1: podcast did an episode about that years ago about how
46:24
Speaker 1: America is basically a duopoly where like it seems like
46:28
Speaker 1: we have a choice, but not really, we just have
46:31
Speaker 1: two parties that trade off power.
46:33
Speaker 3: Like yeah, it's really a plutocracy, but yeah, it's it's
46:37
Speaker 3: where but it's not. That's not how it's marketed.
46:40
Speaker 1: And you should be very suspicious of anything that presents
46:44
Speaker 1: the idea that oh maybe we should only have one
46:47
Speaker 1: side because the other side is completely corrupt. And that's
46:50
Speaker 1: what this is. This is one side saying, hey, this big,
46:54
Speaker 1: huge global problem, only people on the left do it.
46:57
Speaker 3: Well, it's odd that there's only two major parties a democracy,
47:01
Speaker 3: first of all, and they just keep slipping back and forth,
47:03
Speaker 3: back and forth. And yeah, to me, that's really strange.
47:08
Speaker 1: So yeah, and it like, I really do think this
47:14
Speaker 1: is basically a q Andon recruitment video because they say,
47:18
Speaker 1: they say very early on, hey, delete all your social media.
47:23
Speaker 1: Only follow people who are seeking the truth like you,
47:26
Speaker 1: which means only hear the message we're delivering and don't
47:29
Speaker 1: listen to anything else, tune all that other stuff out,
47:32
Speaker 1: which is the exact opposite of critical thinking. But once
47:37
Speaker 1: you do that, like this documentary is clearly pushing people
47:41
Speaker 1: in a direction that is gonna land on q Andon.
47:45
Speaker 1: And once that happens, like you're done. Like that's like
47:48
Speaker 1: being a flat earther, like oh.
47:50
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, if they get you, if they can indoctrinate
47:53
Speaker 3: you into that, it's like you're gonna need it someone
47:56
Speaker 3: who specializes in cult deprogramming to get you out of that.
48:00
Speaker 2: All it's and I yeah, it's so clear that they are.
48:05
Speaker 3: I think it's purposefully confusing because they want to attract
48:09
Speaker 3: people who are into conspiracies but on the left side,
48:13
Speaker 3: and they're doing it sort of softly, like sort of
48:15
Speaker 3: pulling them in, like, oh, you've heard about this, this
48:18
Speaker 3: and this and this and this is tied to this.
48:20
Speaker 2: So it's you know, the agenda is not it's not subtle,
48:25
Speaker 2: not that subtle.
48:26
Speaker 1: They're using propaganda in entertainment to tell you that people
48:31
Speaker 1: are using propaganda in entertainment and that you should be
48:35
Speaker 1: suspicious of it.
48:37
Speaker 3: Yeah, rebranding critical thinking the definition of rebranded, like you know.
48:40
Speaker 2: That's dangerous.
48:41
Speaker 1: That's very dangerous. Like the idea that only people who
48:45
Speaker 1: think like you are the ones who are telling the truth. Again,
48:48
Speaker 1: that's insane. Like I've said many times, I'm all for
48:53
Speaker 1: looking into the idea that there is a global sex
48:56
Speaker 1: trafficking ring out there, and if they're tied to intelligence agencies,
49:01
Speaker 1: we definitely need to know that. But there's no way
49:04
Speaker 1: it's just one side. And that's why documentaries like this
49:07
Speaker 1: are so dangerous because what it will culminate in is
49:12
Speaker 1: that one side being taken out of society. And so
49:16
Speaker 1: these dipshits who help make it happen will be like justice,
49:20
Speaker 1: We got justice for children. And it's like, yeah, but
49:23
Speaker 1: what about all the Republicans who are molesting kids too,
49:26
Speaker 1: like their still in power.
49:28
Speaker 3: It's like, why are we why are we not mentioning them?
49:31
Speaker 2: Why are they being excluded? What's the motive?
49:33
Speaker 1: Yeah, this documentary uses a bunch of truth to tell
49:37
Speaker 1: a lie.
49:38
Speaker 2: And that's I think that's so dangerous. That is so
49:41
Speaker 2: so dangerous.
49:42
Speaker 3: I mean I found myself, you know, engaged in the
49:45
Speaker 3: document documentary myself, you know, like you know, you see
49:49
Speaker 3: that there's all these problems.
49:50
Speaker 2: But you're like, oh, that's interesting that it was entertaining.
49:53
Speaker 3: Yeah, and then they do say some stuff that like,
49:55
Speaker 3: you know, they had Carlin in there, who it doesn't
49:57
Speaker 3: love Carlin, you know, Yeah, the car.
50:00
Speaker 1: Carln Bitt actually kind of flies in the face of
50:03
Speaker 1: their point, which their point is, oh, liberal elites, which
50:07
Speaker 1: we know you mean Democrats, Like, we know what you mean.
50:11
Speaker 1: And the Carlon bit was about how neither side cares
50:14
Speaker 1: like either side is looking out for your best interests.
50:18
Speaker 3: So it's like recontextualizing valid points to serve their agenda.
50:23
Speaker 2: Their their propaganda.
50:25
Speaker 1: Yeah, they're literally changing the meaning of what George Carlin
50:28
Speaker 1: was saying to fit their needs. And like once you
50:32
Speaker 1: get to that end part where they start bringing up
50:34
Speaker 1: Katy Perry and Jay Z and people using a cult symbology,
50:39
Speaker 1: I feel like they're especially trying to radicalize Christians into
50:44
Speaker 1: becoming QAnon types because that's who's going to be really
50:48
Speaker 1: susceptible to that message. Which look at the Katy Perry's
50:52
Speaker 1: covering her eye, she's a Satanist. It's going to be
50:56
Speaker 1: like fundamentalist religious types who just haven't you know, like
51:00
Speaker 1: this is like a net that they're casting to just
51:03
Speaker 1: bring more people into q Andon and like we want
51:06
Speaker 1: to laugh it off, but I mentioned on an episode
51:09
Speaker 1: of Unpopular Opinion, q Andon has more followers now than
51:13
Speaker 1: the Church of Latter day Saints had at this point
51:17
Speaker 1: in their development or the Seventh Day Adventists had at
51:21
Speaker 1: this point in their development, and those movements took off
51:24
Speaker 1: in the United States in the twentieth century, the Tea
51:26
Speaker 1: Party took off. Q and On can really become a
51:29
Speaker 1: force in society, and it'll be because of fucking documentaries
51:33
Speaker 1: like this.
51:34
Speaker 3: Is there some sort of organization when it comes to
51:37
Speaker 3: Q and on or is it just a movement?
51:40
Speaker 4: You know?
51:40
Speaker 2: Is there some leadership there specific.
51:42
Speaker 1: Well, there used to be Q who was the guy
51:45
Speaker 1: who would post all these drops, which even then we
51:49
Speaker 1: brought this up on another episode, like a lot of
51:51
Speaker 1: people would get those drops by way of an app,
51:54
Speaker 1: And it's like, how do you know the government's not
51:56
Speaker 1: just trying to track you by getting you to download
51:59
Speaker 1: that app? Because once you have that app on your phone,
52:02
Speaker 1: like you've kind of identified yourself as one of the
52:06
Speaker 1: more radical elements of society, and like governments love to
52:10
Speaker 1: get rid of radical elements, so like like they talk
52:14
Speaker 1: about honeypots in this, like this could all be a
52:17
Speaker 1: big honeypot to get the people most prone to acting
52:21
Speaker 1: out in violence toward the government all in one group
52:24
Speaker 1: so they can fucking shut them down.
52:26
Speaker 3: Like so yeah, they know what weapons they have, Okay,
52:30
Speaker 3: these are the people who we can use.
52:31
Speaker 1: For this, right, Like it's it's so crazy the way
52:35
Speaker 1: they keep pushing critical thinking in this in a way
52:39
Speaker 1: that is meant to kind of kneecap your ability to
52:43
Speaker 1: think critically, Like it's this is a this is a
52:45
Speaker 1: scary documentary, Like it's not this is a day like this.
52:49
Speaker 1: I don't know if this was banned from YouTube, but
52:51
Speaker 1: it should have.
52:52
Speaker 2: Been, Like, I mean, we watched it on YouTube, so yeah,
52:56
Speaker 2: who knows.
52:57
Speaker 1: And like they keep bringing up the programming you, they're
53:01
Speaker 1: programming you, and it's they never say for what, like
53:03
Speaker 1: they never say what, like what is seeing a dude
53:07
Speaker 1: with a goat's head in a Katie Perry video supposed
53:10
Speaker 1: to do to me?
53:11
Speaker 3: Well, I think propaganda is kind of fluffy. It's not here,
53:15
Speaker 3: it's not based on logic. It's based on emotionally moving people,
53:20
Speaker 3: which is manipulating them. So yeah, that's where you know,
53:23
Speaker 3: if you are moved by this, then you've sort of
53:25
Speaker 3: fallen into the trap. But if you you know, if
53:28
Speaker 3: one can recognize propaganda, then you know, you don't really
53:32
Speaker 3: it's you know, you like, yeah, what they're saying stuff,
53:35
Speaker 3: but it's not adding up right and there's no evidence
53:40
Speaker 3: being presented.
53:41
Speaker 1: The thing that I think is especially dangerous about this
53:44
Speaker 1: is the people who would make a movie like this
53:46
Speaker 1: don't care, Like, they don't care if me and you
53:49
Speaker 1: have all these questions and we're able to poke holes
53:53
Speaker 1: in their point, We're not the audience for this. It's
53:57
Speaker 1: really impressionable, fundamentalist cre Christian types who just need to
54:02
Speaker 1: be convinced that we probably need to take out John
54:06
Speaker 1: Legend and Chrissy Tiagan to form a more perfect union.
54:10
Speaker 1: Like that's who they're trying to get. Like, it doesn't
54:12
Speaker 1: matter if we don't believe this shit the people who
54:15
Speaker 1: there are just people out there who want to.
54:16
Speaker 3: Believe this, And it's surprising how underrated logic is.
54:21
Speaker 1: Yeah, I would agree with that, especially among these fucking people.
54:25
Speaker 1: But hey, you know, I guess believe whatever you want,
54:28
Speaker 1: don't I mean, like, don't believe whatever you want, Like,
54:31
Speaker 1: don't believe this shit. Please don't.
54:34
Speaker 3: I'm always been to live and let live person, but like,
54:37
Speaker 3: if you're not letting someone else live, then you're breaking
54:40
Speaker 3: the rule.
54:41
Speaker 1: Yeah, and if you think Trump is going to be
54:44
Speaker 1: your savior from sex crimes, you need a fucking therapist.
54:49
Speaker 2: Man.
54:49
Speaker 1: That is that is one of the worst pieces of
54:52
Speaker 1: logic I've ever heard.
54:54
Speaker 2: Yeah, you're one goofy idiot.
54:55
Speaker 1: Yeah, Like I don't know. That's like I don't even
54:59
Speaker 1: want to make a fucking comparison. The people who need
55:01
Speaker 1: to hear this have stopped listening by now. Anyway, we're
55:05
Speaker 1: being put on a list.
55:06
Speaker 3: Probably do you get viewers who do you have viewers
55:11
Speaker 3: who are conservative or listeners?
55:14
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, go read the go read our reviews on iTunes.
55:17
Speaker 1: I'll probably get like this podcast, despite being fucking great, uh,
55:22
Speaker 1: doesn't have that high of a rating on iTunes. And
55:26
Speaker 1: it's because anytime I talk about something I don't believe,
55:30
Speaker 1: like Sandy Hook, I get all these people leaving reviews
55:33
Speaker 1: like this guy shoots down conspiracy theories instead of believing them.
55:37
Speaker 1: And it's like, yeah, sometimes because some conspiracy theories aren't
55:40
Speaker 1: worth believing.
55:41
Speaker 3: That's the whole point of critical thinking. You know, you're
55:43
Speaker 3: not supposed to just blame you label something a conspiracy.
55:46
Speaker 3: That's the thing is, it's just like you label it
55:48
Speaker 3: and then we're supposed to just accept it.
55:50
Speaker 2: That's insane. That's insane. You're supposed to like a person.
55:54
Speaker 3: You know, people who deal with a paranormal investigator, their
55:57
Speaker 3: job is first to try to debunk the situation before
56:01
Speaker 3: they go in for the ghost.
56:03
Speaker 4: You know.
56:03
Speaker 3: So as a conspiracy theorist, you got to debunk the
56:06
Speaker 3: bullshit so you can get to the truth.
56:08
Speaker 2: That's what we want, right.
56:10
Speaker 1: It's just as crazy to believe every conspiracy theory as
56:14
Speaker 1: it is to believe no conspiracy theories are true. Like
56:19
Speaker 1: neither of those are logical ways of approaching stuff like this.
56:23
Speaker 1: Cover ups happen, like we know, shady dealings happen in
56:28
Speaker 1: government all the time.
56:29
Speaker 3: Both sides, Yeah, both size of her two party democracy
56:33
Speaker 3: and I say democracy in quotes.
56:35
Speaker 1: If you're one of these people who thinks that discounting
56:38
Speaker 1: some conspiracy theories like is a problem, you're actually part
56:42
Speaker 1: of the problem. Like you are, you are the sheep
56:46
Speaker 1: you think you're not, which I don't know how you
56:48
Speaker 1: convince people of that, but like that really is a
56:51
Speaker 1: problem with conspiracy podcasts and conspiracy entertainment in general, whatever
56:56
Speaker 1: you want to call it. There's always I was just.
56:59
Speaker 3: Gonna say that convince comes from the manipulation. The emotional
57:02
Speaker 3: manipulation logic isn't a part of the argument, you see.
57:06
Speaker 3: So people who are vulnerable to this are the ones
57:10
Speaker 3: who get hooked.
57:11
Speaker 1: Yeah, and you see it all the time, like anyone
57:14
Speaker 1: who's trying to like I don't know, I don't know
57:17
Speaker 1: how to put this, but anytime someone says, oh, I'm
57:21
Speaker 1: just presenting the evidence and I want you to think
57:23
Speaker 1: for yourself, if they leave out a single piece of evidence,
57:26
Speaker 1: don't trust them, or if they don't provide any Yeah,
57:30
Speaker 1: there was this guy we covered on this podcast once.
57:33
Speaker 1: I can't remember his name, but he had this like
57:36
Speaker 1: series of books about Illuminati symbols in Stanley Kubrick movies.
57:41
Speaker 1: And I'm like, okay, So at some point during this
57:44
Speaker 1: you're gonna mention that that started as a satire article
57:47
Speaker 1: on the internet, right, Like, if you really want people
57:51
Speaker 1: to just think critically and take in all the information,
57:55
Speaker 1: surely you would mention that this started as a joke. Nope,
58:00
Speaker 1: I mean, no point is that ever mentioned.
58:02
Speaker 3: Full disclosure just makes me want to trust you more.
58:05
Speaker 3: Give me all the information, give me the whole picture.
58:09
Speaker 3: I mean, if you're trying to hide any information, then
58:11
Speaker 3: you have an agenda.
58:12
Speaker 1: Right, And I think that's a good summary of this documentary.
58:16
Speaker 1: Like they are leaving out some very important details and
58:20
Speaker 1: it should make you suspicious. And if it doesn't, you
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Speaker 1: wanted to believe this anyway, Like it doesn't what we say,
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Speaker 1: doesn't matter. What the documentary said doesn't matter, Like it
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Speaker 1: doesn't really matter how they got to it, as long
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Speaker 1: as they build to the point you wanted congratulations, you
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Speaker 1: got it, but it's some bullshit and you are the
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Speaker 1: ones being programmed anyway. Happy Holidays, everybody, Happy holidays. So
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Speaker 1: we should probably wrap this up. This is fun. Do
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Speaker 1: we have anything to plug before we get out of here?
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Speaker 3: Yeah, So I'm dropping a special on the internet. The
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Speaker 3: tentative release date is early January and it will be
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Speaker 3: for for each called if stand up is then this
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Speaker 3: is my comedy special and it will have basically stand
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Speaker 3: up from some of my favorite sets I've taped in
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Speaker 3: New York and yeah, I'm excited about it.
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Speaker 2: Oh, it's on my YouTube channel.
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Speaker 3: It's going to be on my YouTube channel, which is
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Speaker 3: f Desani and then I'm on the internet at Visit
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Speaker 3: Desani everywhere else on all like you know, Instagram, Twitter,
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Speaker 3: all that, and I have a weekly podcast called Facial
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Speaker 3: Recognition Comedy on all the audio streaming platforms, so check
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Speaker 3: that out. But the big news is the special, the
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Speaker 1: Yeah, look out for that, everybody. Uh, what do I
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Speaker 1: want to plug? The I think the next on Pops
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