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Addressing Climate Change Skepticism in Online Communities · How To Protect The Ocean

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  Last episode, I talked about how my community was exposed to
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  its vulnerabilities to lots of rain, which is basically a climate change consequence.
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  We're seeing more humidity, higher temperatures, more
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  cloud cover, crazy rain, squalls, major
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  storms and major flooding. And I talked about how we're vulnerable and
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  how our city and our politicians and our engineers and our planners, we
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  need to start changing the way we're designing our cities to
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  accommodate for that, adapt to that. Now today I want to talk a little bit,
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  and I alluded to it a little bit in the last episode, but I want to talk about some of the responses from
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  my community in terms of Facebook and social media posts,
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  which is always interesting, you know, in terms of what happens. You
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  get a lot of interesting comments from extreme
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  political comments to sort of just great, like,
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  this sucks, I'm in a really bad situation, can somebody help me out kind of comments. So
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  we're going to cover a lot of those, but we're going to cover how I
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  started to respond to some of those and why I started to respond to some of those, even though
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  I knew there was going to be some blowback. So we're going to talk about that on today's
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  episode of the How to Protect the Ocean podcast. Let's start the show. Hey,
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  everybody, welcome back to another exciting episode of the How to Protect the Ocean podcast. I'm
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  your host, Andrew Lewin, and this is a podcast where you find out what's happening with the ocean, how you
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  can speak up for the ocean, and what you can do to live for a better ocean
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  by taking action. It's been a hard couple of
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  weeks, I'm not going to lie. I talked a lot about it in the last episode in terms of
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  the flooding that's been going on, watching people in my city and
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  friends go through some tough times with their homes, with
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  their properties, with their apartments, with their cars being
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  flooded out and all this kind of stuff it's it's difficult it costs a
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  lot of money i'm sure it's going to cost the city a lot of money uh in
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  the region in the province and you know it sucks it
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  definitely sucks and when you have people who are going through
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  some things you start to get opinions on social media uh
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  which is always interesting uh and you start to see how
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  people are reacting to the
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  travesty, the trauma that people have gone through. So from people
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  who are directly affected and have to evacuate their homes or
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  had to, they found out their insurance isn't covering the
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  damages from these storms, that's devastating. And
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  that's a lot of money that they have to put into it, probably go into debt
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  or get a loan from the bank. Who knows if they'll be able to get it. There's a
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  lot of stress that goes into that as a family, losing belongings, losing
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  photographs, things like that. It's stressful. It's
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  something that you have problems with
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  years down the road. And when
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  I talk about these types of traumas, it's not as
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  bad as losing lives, mudslides and things like that, that other places
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  around the world go through. You know, this is
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  a nice community where, you know,
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  it costs a lot to live in this community, we pay a lot of taxes, we
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  expect certain things back from the government and protection in
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  designing the city. And we may not always agree with how
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  certain cities or how certain politicians go about, you
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  know, designing or working on the communities, but when it comes down to
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  a thing like this where People can be driven from their homes or,
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  you know, lose possessions that cost a lot of money that they need. That
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  is concerning, you know, for us. And so things need to
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  change. And to get change and to see change, you hear people speaking out,
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  which I fully for, you know, I'm not against the, you
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  know, what that people are allowed to speak out. Sometimes
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  I am concerned about the messages that come
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  out and the problems that that go on with those
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  messaging, with that messaging. And, you know, that's just
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  sort of like, I'm gonna go over today what I do
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  in terms of work with the community, like
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  work with comments on social media. And to do that,
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  you have to be in the right set of mind. You have to be, you
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  know, your mental health has to be good because you know you're gonna go through it. If you
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  start commenting and responding to other people's posts that
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  you may not agree with, you have to be, you know, Understanding
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  that they may not like that you responded and you don't know how
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  where the place that they're coming from or the place They're in and you don't know how aggressive they're
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  gonna come back and you don't know what that's gonna put you through emotionally So
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  there's a there's a there's a thing that you have to stay focused. You have to be ready You
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  have to get a good amount of sleep. You have to be healthy for like mentally to help
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  to do that and stay focused I use magic mine. I
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  use magic mine every day. It's like a little elixir. It has a
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  lot of great like a lot of
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  great things in it. It's got some like different types of mushrooms. It's
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  got, you know, it's got this caffeine sort of,
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  I like to call like balanced type of release.
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  So, you know, when you like, I'm not a coffee drinker, so I'll have a pop that has
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  a lot of caffeine in it. I'm not gonna name the pop, I don't wanna give it a bad name necessarily. but
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  I rely sometimes on that pop to get up,
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  you know, in the headspace, but, and it gives me that kick of caffeine to
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  stay focused and to stay on my tasks and everything like that. And then all
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  of a sudden I'm like, Oh, what do I do now? Like
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  I'm about to crash because that caffeine fix is released all
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  at once. You know, my, my, uh, my
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  synapses are like, okay, we're gonna ignore how tired you are and
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  we're just gonna let you be free and you feel like you've got this boost and
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  then it just goes away like right away and you're just sitting here
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  this is no no good in any kind
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  of way of of what is is happening
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  with you know What's happening? Like, I
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  don't want to see this. Like, I don't want to have this kind of feeling.
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  I feel like I'm less focused. And so I need to
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  to be honest, I have it usually around midday. I take this little shot and
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  it has got some ginger in it. It's got all these different types of ingredients that really kind
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  of make me feel good about myself. I don't know about you guys, but
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  when I put bad things in my body, like sweets or things like that, which I
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  love. I feel terrible after. I don't know if it's the guilt feeling or
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  if it's just like the actual like content. But when I put
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  this, like when I shoot this down, it's great. Like I shoot it down
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  like a shot. It's wonderful. And I want you to have that same feeling. So
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  It's great for you. It'll help you focus and get you ready for
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  these comments that I'm about to talk about today. So I'm
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  a part of a number of different groups. on Facebook. And
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  I know, yeah, Facebook, like Andrew, you're old. Yes, I am old.
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  I'm part of Facebook. I'm on Instagram. I'm on TikTok. I'm with it.
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  I'm with it, guys. I'm hip to the things. I know that sounds
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  awful. It drives my kids crazy when I say that. But I'm
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  in this Facebook group, which is, I love this group. It's called the
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  Facebook Burlington Dads Group. I love this group. I'm also part of the Oakville group.
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  That's a dad's group as well. A lot of people, you know, that when
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  I first joined, it was like, hey, you know, we're all dads here. We're trying to
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  do our best. We might complain sometimes, but we might do our, you know,
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  we're looking at sharing resources for helping our kids, helping
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  each other, mental health things. And it's really great to be a
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  part of a group like that, where everybody's kind of like on the same track mind,
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  you know, dads from all over the city, you know, trying to figure out what to
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  do with their kids or, you know, different like sports, or do you have, you
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  know, experience in rep sports and this and that, it's really great to see.
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  Over the last few, I'd say over the last year, maybe the last couple years, maybe
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  since COVID, we've seen a little bit of a change in the types of posts that
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  we see. And I have a feeling it's due to a lot of frustration, but
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  there used to be no political posts allowed in this group. If you
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  started talking about politics, it would get axed, and it's like a reminder, hey
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  guys, let's keep politics out of this group, let's just share resources,
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  let's just have some fun. There's some fun, hey, where's
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  a good beer place to go? Where's a good restaurant to go? Anybody got ideas? Just local
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  stuff like that. I love it. It was really great. There's some jokes going by, some
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  memes going by, and it was a lot of fun. However, like I said,
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  since COVID, there's been some more political posts and, you know, people who are not
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  particularly happy with different governments, local, provincial,
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  and Canadian, like, federal governments. And that's fine, right? Everybody
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  has, like, if they're starting to let it out, you know, let all the things fly, but you get
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  responses of people who may disagree with you or may not disagree with you,
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  but you get responses. And I've always had this policy
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  for myself that I will only post if I think it's of value to
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  anybody. I'm not necessarily posting if I disagree with
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  something. I'm not necessarily posting to try and change that person's mind.
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  That's not up to me. That's not my job. My job is to kind
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  of just inform. So when I see a post that's really related towards something
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  that I know more about, especially if I disagree with it, Start
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  to want to react to it and and I have to like look at
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  how I react to it I got to take the emotions out,
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  you know, if people are calling each other names and stuff like that Maybe I'm not going to
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  post but if a post continues to come up So as an example this
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  past week, I saw a lot of posts with the flooding I saw
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  a lot of posts with the damages and you started to see
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  posts about climate change denial and and making fun
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  of climate change, like, oh, they're going to call this climate change problems, and they're
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  going to call it this, and they're going to call it that. And Trudeau,
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  as they like to call our prime minister, Trudeau, is going to
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  do something about it. He's going to tax us more, and then the carbon tax
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  comes up. Nobody wants to pay tax, and especially the carbon tax. And everybody's talking
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  about these different things. And then you sit there, and you're like, huh.
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  This seems to be a narrative that keeps coming up. And a
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  lot of people don't want to comment on those
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  posts and on those comments, because they don't want to
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  get into it with the person, knowing that they're probably not going to change their mind. And I get
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  that. Like I said, I don't want to change anybody's mind. But that seems
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  to be the narrative. As more and more people talk about it, more
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  and more people come out the world like, yeah, that sucks. Like, why
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  do we have to pay tax? And it's not showing like, you know, it's the common
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  article, the common sort of comment about, The carbon
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  tax here in Canada is like, well, we're paying our carbon tax. We've been paying it for four years,
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  and we're still seeing wildfires. We're still seeing this damage. Shouldn't it stop? Obviously,
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  that's not how it works. But that is a common comment that
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  politicians have made, business leaders have
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  made, and local people have made. Just
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  sort of like your everyday people who live in a city. And they've made that.
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  And I get it. It's frustrating. Like I said, nobody wants to pay a
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  tax. I don't want to pay a tax, especially a carbon tax. It's
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  good for, it's supposed to help. It's one of the solutions, one
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  of the many solutions that we're putting into place and it's supposed to help. It's really supposed to
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  help disincentivize you from doing things like driving
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  a huge truck when you don't necessarily have to. So you pay more in gas and
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  you pay the carbon tax on that gas. So I went out, this is
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  not to brag, I went out and I got an EV and now I don't have to pay gas but
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  I pay electricity so now I gotta be careful of my electricity. So there's all these different
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  ways of incentivizing and disincentivizing and that, the carbon tax is
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  one. You don't have to agree with me here, although I feel like I'm preaching to
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  the choir here, but there are people out there who don't
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  want to pay this tax, who are far against paying this tax, and they think
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  it's affecting inflation, they think it's affecting our cost of
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  living, and everything like that, even though it's proven not to.
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  But, with that said... That narrative continues to come
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  up and come up and come up, and nobody's responding to it because they know what they're going to have to go
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  through with social media and commenters. People are
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  very quick to defend aggressively their stance.
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  So if I went in, I'm like, hey, you're an idiot. You shouldn't do
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  this. Climate change is real, and you're
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  wrong. That's really aggressive. So I kept seeing
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  that narrative come up where it's like climate change is bad, like being
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  sarcastic. And sometimes the joke, you never know, it's hard to see tone in
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  a Facebook post or a Facebook comment. But I started to
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  feel the need to start to comment. And I'm not commenting to prove anybody wrong.
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  I'm commenting for the person who's listening or
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  watching these posts and reading these posts and starting to
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  say, huh, a lot of people believe in this. maybe there's
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  something in this. If so many people are saying something, maybe there's something
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  to it, right? So for instance, as an example, like just kind
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  of not climate change related, the political race that's going on
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  in the US right now between President Biden and former President Donald
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  Trump as the two major candidates, you know, there's a narrative
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  going around this weekend as I record this that you
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  know, the President Biden might withdraw from the race. He's getting a lot of
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  pressure from Democrats to withdraw from the race. And right before the weekend started,
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  I started to hear rumors that, you know, President Biden
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  is going to drop out of the race and put
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  somebody else in. It's his decision, his decision alone, apparently. And
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  even though he's denied it and he says he's going to stick with the race and
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  he's going to put a great campaign, he's going to beat Donald, former President Donald Trump.
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  there seems to be a lot of talk between different news media about
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  this happening. And as more and more people talk about whether it's going to happen or not,
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  you start to believe that there's something there. And I feel like the same thing with
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  the climate change denial and all this stuff, as more and more people read
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  about the people kind of crapping on the idea, They
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  tend not to believe it, or they tend to say, hey, there might be something in
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  this, as so many people are against it, or so many people have something to
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  say about it. Maybe there's something there, and maybe I should rethink what
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  everybody else has been telling me, no matter who it is. It could be the actual
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  person. Biden could come out and be like, no, I am not dropping out of the race. But
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  then all these media outlets are like, huh, he's saying that, but there's a lot of pressure for
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  him to do it, and he might do it this weekend. People are like, well,
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  maybe it will happen this weekend, or they wouldn't be surprised if it did, or maybe they're expecting it
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  to happen. Whereas, you know, with climate change, it's like, well, enough
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  people say no, or it's not happening, then eventually,
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  you know, politicians are like, look, this is the most of my people. This
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  is most of the people that I represent. So maybe I shouldn't do anything about
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  climate change. Or maybe people reading this, like, maybe there's something in it. That's
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  dangerous. That becomes dangerous, and that's when I start to respond. It's
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  to respond to the people who are reading it, who are kind of on the cusp of the idea,
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  and they start to see their fellow, you know, in this case, you know, Burlington
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  dads, start talking about this denial, and how talking about it's a joke, and
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  how talking about the carbon tax isn't working, even though there might
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  be stats to show different. This is
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  a problem. So I start to comment. And I went a little, kind
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  of a little aggressive. I was like, look, the ignorance in this group about climate change
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  is really scary. And then somebody responded. And I kind of expected, I
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  was kind of baiting someone to respond. And we went into
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  this conversation, which I have to admit, it wasn't as aggressive as I
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  thought. And I kind of know the person
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  from the past. Not well, but I kind of know the person. And I
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  don't know if he remembers me, but we used to work out at the same gym. And so
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  the rhetoric got a little better. He started to talk about how
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  climate change, and he mentioned politics and things like that. I
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  took politics right out. I said, look, you may not agree with the
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  solutions proposed by the government. Totally get that. Totally understand that. But
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  the fact is that these storms had to
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  do with climate change. Hurricane Beryl was a climate
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  change consequence. We started to see increase in
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  ocean temperatures above 100 degrees Fahrenheit, continued for
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  quite a long time. A hurricane that's a Category 5 that happened in
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  late June, early July, coming in through the Caribbean, devastating
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  a lot of communities within small island states, coming up
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  through sort of middle America. right
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  into Canada, like right into Ontario. We got those rains and then flooding happened
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  because of those rains. That's a climate change consequence. You cannot deny that
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  that didn't happen. You cannot deny that that hurricane started earlier. because
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  of the consequences of climate change. And these
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  squalls have happened more and more because it's hotter. It's hotter every year.
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  We're breaking records. And we're starting to see the consequences of
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  that rainfall when we break these types of records. And we start to see more
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  humidity in the air. That humidity has to go somewhere. And it comes down
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  in rain. in major storms, and it comes down to rain in
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  short periods of time, and a lot of it. And so I started to say
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  that, and then the guy responded, well,
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  it's like, now we're worried about a plastic straw. Why are we to save a sea turtle, and this
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  and that? Why do we care about saving the sea turtle? So I responded to that. I
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  said, that's a separate issue. But while you're on that, 30% of plastics made by
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  the phosphate industry is 30% of the greenhouse gas emissions. You
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  know, the plastics industry is made from petroleum. It's a petroleum
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  product. And so 30% of that is
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  turned into like greenhouse gas emissions. That's a scary thought. You know,
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  that's a significant portion, you know, of greenhouse gas emissions.
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  And to make these plastics, and then when they break down, they become problems. Like
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  they're problems for humans. They're problems for animals. You
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  know, I said, yes, a plastic straw was taken out of a sea turtle, and
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  it's become the inspiration, like a sea turtle's nose, and has become
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  an inspiration of the single-use plastic movement, of trying to decrease single-use
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  plastic. It's actually inspired governments, including my own, Canada, and
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  our own, to ban single-use plastics because of
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  the major problem. That was an inspiration. It is not the fact that straws are causing
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  the plastic problem. It's a fact that it's a tool that we use as inspiration
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  to say, hey, look, this is, like, we caught this in hand.
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  I said, four months later, there was a plastic fork that was dislodged from
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  a sea turtle in the same area,
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  like 70 kilometers down south of that area, a sea turtle had,
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  you know, all over the sea turtle had a fork in its, like, lodged
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  in its nose. You know, same kind of problem. Actually, it was the same
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  scientist who took it out. you know, these are, they
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  become tools of an inspiration to, for a movement. And, and
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  I've heard this before, where it's like, oh, who cares about a plastic straw? Well, we
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  need to care about the plastic, you know, and how much stuff we use as
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  plastic. There has to be changes that happen. That's a separate issue, although it's
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  kind of similar, because the fossil industry is responsible for making
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  these plastics the way that they're made now, even though they keep, they can be different. So
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  when we look at these types of comments, you
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  have to inform. And that's what I'm doing. I'm informing. Not necessarily to
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  change the mind of the person I'm talking to. I don't need to change that person's
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  mind. What I need to do is inform people who are reading this who may not see another
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  side. And that's sort of the way
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  I do things, the manner in which I roll on social media,
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  to put a little slang into that. I'm showing
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  how uncool I am in this episode, regardless. Look,
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  that's my method, and that seems to
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  work because it didn't turn into aggression. I highly thank
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  the person I was working with or going back and forth with,
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  and it's fine that we disagree on something. However, other
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  people got to see another side and you start to see likes
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  on my comments and I'm not insulting somebody.
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  I'm not coming out and saying hey you're an idiot or I think you're an idiot. I
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  don't. This is somebody who I feel is not correct in
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  what they're saying. and how they're going about it.
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  I'm trying to take politics out of it because I don't care if you're, if
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  you don't like the Prime Minister or if you do like the Prime Minister or their
• 19:53
  methods, is that climate change is climate change. You may not like the
• 19:56
  way we manage things, same with COVID. We may not like some of the ways that were,
• 20:00
  it was managed. There's some things that the provincial government and the federal government
• 20:03
  that did that I didn't like in that situation, but You have to look at
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  the overall situation that we're in, and this is what the government decided to go to.
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  If you don't like it, vote him out. That's fine. That's not the
• 20:13
  issue here. The issue is that you are denying what's happening. You're
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  denying that it's a climate change issue, and it's a climate change issue. If we continue
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  to deny it and our politicians read those comments and look at,
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  well, most of the people that are speaking up are against climate change. So
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  why am I going to run on something that says, hey, we're going to do
• 20:31
  something about climate change when you're highly against it? I'm not going to get voted in. That's
• 20:35
  a concern. That's a concern that we see happen
• 20:39
  over and over again when politicians get into, whether it be local, provincial
• 20:42
  or national governments, they don't do the things that we would hope
• 20:46
  that they would do to protect us, to make sure that our
• 20:50
  community is resilient so that we become climate change resilient.
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  Right? That's sort of the issue. So the comments matter. And
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  if you're somebody who is adamant about trying to
• 21:00
  inform people like I am, you make comments not for
• 21:03
  the people you're arguing against or debating against, you're making comments for the people who are watching, who
• 21:06
  want to see another side and are okay, like feel scared.
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  Because sometimes saying what you think and saying what you believe
• 21:14
  in and saying whether they're fact or not is very difficult on
• 21:17
  both sides of any issue, because you never know how people are going to react. And
• 21:20
  if you don't want the aggression, That's scary, especially
• 21:24
  if it's in person, right? And so being able to speak up and
• 21:28
  being able to comment on certain things, not to change somebody's mind
• 21:31
  and not to get personal, but to inform people. is
• 21:34
  the way I go about it, and maybe you can do that too. But I'd love
• 21:38
  to hear your method of going at people when
• 21:41
  you see something you don't agree with. I'd love to hear it, especially when it comes in the
• 21:44
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