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22 a Day: The Hidden Crisis Our Veterans Face with Matt Rogers · Groove with Portia

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Speaker 1: of all with Grew with Porsche. So today I have
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Speaker 1: the honor of having mister Matt Rogers, who is an
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Speaker 1: amazing award winning country artist and songwriters. So welcome Matt
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Speaker 1: to Grew with Porsia. How are you today?
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Speaker 2: So great to be here. Thank you Porscha for having.
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Speaker 1: Me, Matt, what an honor. And also the fact that
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Speaker 1: this topic they we're going to touch on suicide and
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Speaker 1: also within our military community, and your new song Camouflage
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Speaker 1: is so relevant considering that we're slowly leaving from Mental
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Speaker 1: Health Month. But also this is something that I think
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Speaker 1: is continued to be under the rug and under the
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Speaker 1: radar that needs more conversations and more movements around it.
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Speaker 1: So Matt, really quick. I always love to start off
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Speaker 1: my conversations with gratitude. What are you grateful for today?
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Speaker 2: Grateful to have woken up again this morning.
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Speaker 3: You know, life is pretty hectic, and something I've tried
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Speaker 3: to do recently is just try to prioritize.
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Speaker 2: Things with my time.
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Speaker 3: So you know, there's things that we have that are frustrations,
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Speaker 3: that are problems every day, but I try to put
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Speaker 3: things in perspective and keep perspective on things, which is
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Speaker 3: like how big is this problem going to be in
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Speaker 3: a week.
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Speaker 2: Or a month or a year.
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Speaker 3: And you know, typically if it's not going to be
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Speaker 3: a problem in that determined amount of time, then it's
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Speaker 3: not really a problem. So that's really been something to
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Speaker 3: help me keep perspective, and it's made me a whole
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Speaker 3: lot more of a pleasant person.
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Speaker 1: You know, Matt, I agree with that because I think
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Speaker 1: sometimes we get so caught up in the problem itself
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Speaker 1: right where we don't see the blessing in what that
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Speaker 1: problem is really doing for us. It's forcing us to
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Speaker 1: stop and reevaluate what's really important in our life. Right Like,
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Speaker 1: when I think about your new song that's coming out, Camouflage,
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Speaker 1: I think about, number one, the amount of people in
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Speaker 1: our world who continue to wear the camouflage and pretend
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Speaker 1: as though everything's okay, that they have to be the
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Speaker 1: hero all the time, in a world that so called
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Speaker 1: praises vulnerability but also criticizes it simultaneously. And So, Matt,
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Speaker 1: I know you co wrote this song with an Army
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Speaker 1: veteran and also it's in honor of one of your
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Speaker 1: dear friends, Sergeant Major, who had completed a suicide a
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Speaker 1: year before. So I'm curious, Matt, with the song that
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Speaker 1: you just wrote. I'm curious about the inspiration behind the
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Speaker 1: name and also maybe the camouflage that you had with
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Speaker 1: your own grief with writing this song.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, the guy that I wrote this with
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Speaker 3: was my long term guitar player Nick Reid. He's a
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Speaker 3: US Army combat vet and they lost some guys killed
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Speaker 3: in action on his last deployment, and he's lost a
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Speaker 3: lot of friends the same way to suicide after the
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Speaker 3: fact after getting out, and it's something we talk about
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Speaker 3: a lot, and we've been We've worked with a lot
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Speaker 3: of different organizations like Operations, Song and Creative Vets and
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Speaker 3: things like that, just trying to give back, you know.
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Speaker 3: But this was the first time that it really hit
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Speaker 3: really close to me, and I knew Nick had gone
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Speaker 3: through this, this same kind of tragedy, and he was
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Speaker 3: on the road with me obviously when I got the
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Speaker 3: news of this. So we stayed up late that night
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Speaker 3: talking and we kind of wrote the song out of therapy.
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Speaker 2: We didn't really expect it to go anywhere for it
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Speaker 2: ever be heard.
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Speaker 3: You know. It's funny how how God works. But you know,
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Speaker 3: there's a there's a bunch of different meanings in that
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Speaker 3: title camouflage if you dig for him. First and foremost,
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Speaker 3: camouflage being the Army fatigues or what soldiers wear, you know,
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Speaker 3: but camouflage can also mean a lot of things, right
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Speaker 3: the cover, the covering up of things, just like you're
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Speaker 3: talking about masking feelings, masking, vulnerability, masking. There's a number
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Speaker 3: of different meanings within the title of this song. And
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Speaker 3: even how we pretend we can't see things for just
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Speaker 3: pretending that they're camouflage, which is really the highlight of
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Speaker 3: this song for me, is that there's this massive epidemic
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Speaker 3: that's at the heart of our veteran community that's not
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Speaker 3: really getting the proper attention. I don't think you know.
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Speaker 3: There's some statistics that will blow you away. The one
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Speaker 3: from the DoD They say twenty two veterans a day
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Speaker 3: lose their life to suicide in this country. And that's
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Speaker 3: almost a dismissive number because twenty two doesn't sound that big,
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Speaker 3: but in reality, if you count things like substance abuse
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Speaker 3: and other problems, then number gets closer to fifty a day.
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Speaker 3: The statistic that takes my breath away every time is
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Speaker 3: to think about the whole twenty two years that we
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Speaker 3: were in the Global War on Terror and Iraq in Afghanistan,
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Speaker 3: we lost seventy eight hundred troops killed in action. Now
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Speaker 3: that's not to what are down folks that paid the
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Speaker 3: ultimate price for our country and serving our country for
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Speaker 3: our freedom. But in that same amount of time, we've
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Speaker 3: had over one hundred and twenty thousand veterans commit suicide.
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Speaker 3: That is a massive disconnect. How are you having more
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Speaker 3: people that are having that kind of struggle once they
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Speaker 3: get back home and there's stateside than in actual combat.
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Speaker 3: So that was where the frustration where of the song
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Speaker 3: even started. It's just like, man, obviously there's resources or
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Speaker 3: there's a missing connection there when these guys are coming
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Speaker 3: home or getting out of the service, that's not allowing
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Speaker 3: them to decompress and transition back into civilian life. So
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Speaker 3: it was more out of frustration, you know. So that's
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Speaker 3: kind of just where the fault began. And we've have
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Speaker 3: fought so hard to try to make a difference with this,
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Speaker 3: but this has been the first time that I feel
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Speaker 3: like I'm actually putting out something that can save life,
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Speaker 3: something that is actual, that can impact change, meaningful, something
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Speaker 3: that means so much to me, but is actually doing
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Speaker 3: good in the world. And that's really why you do
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Speaker 3: what I do. You know, I always you know, fame
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Speaker 3: and fortune obviously would be nice to be doing the
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Speaker 3: music business, But what I've always wanted to do is
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Speaker 3: to tell great stories and to leave something bigger than
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Speaker 3: me behind. And I think this is certainly one of
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Speaker 3: those milestones.
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Speaker 2: In that journey.
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Speaker 1: The famine. Fortune is coming, Matt. I'm sending you good vibes.
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Speaker 1: It's coming. It is, And you know, Matt, I think
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Speaker 1: it just makes my heart just sink hearing that number
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Speaker 1: twenty two a day, right, But we're also not even
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Speaker 1: counting all of their family members and friends who are
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Speaker 1: impacted from the ripple of the suicides, right, And so
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Speaker 1: the number is even greater than what the statistic or
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Speaker 1: the sample size that responded to it is even covering.
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Speaker 1: And I think, Matt, you really painted a cool picture
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Speaker 1: just now about the word camouflage, right, that we see
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Speaker 1: our soldiers, like my cousin is actually home from the military,
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Speaker 1: he's been in seventeen years, he's been in the Air Force,
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Speaker 1: and we see the heroism, right, but it's almost as
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Speaker 1: though we turned a blind eye to the other complications
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Speaker 1: and the mental health piece that goes along with what
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Speaker 1: they're seeing in combat. Right, depending on the orders that
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Speaker 1: they have, depending on you know, they're if they have
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Speaker 1: access to speaking to somebody when they need to write.
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Speaker 1: So I think about all of those things that are
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Speaker 1: not brought to the forefront as we have these conversations.
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Speaker 1: And Matt, I love the fact that you took a
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Speaker 1: moment to highlight this epidemic that's not being talked about
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Speaker 1: on a regular basis. So before we continue the conversation, Matt,
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Speaker 1: let's let our audience take a listen to your new
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Speaker 1: song Camouflage really quick on Google course, so we'll be
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Speaker 1: right back in a second here.
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Speaker 4: Thank you for your service. Son, You're good to go.
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Speaker 4: Sorry about your buddies, he and come home. It's a
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Speaker 4: little life to someone follow everything of deep inside.
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Speaker 2: Devil. Dogs ain't never supposed.
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Speaker 4: To cry, and we'll all ignore the hero in the room.
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Speaker 4: Play it on Camouflage, all.
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Speaker 1: Right, everybody. That was a sample of Matt's new song, Camouflage.
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Speaker 1: You can definitely listen to it on all the major platforms.
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Speaker 1: Definitely let it resonate and see how it really, you know,
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Speaker 1: dives into your own life and things of that nature. Matt,
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Speaker 1: I love music me and I'm definitely a concert junkie.
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Speaker 1: I gotta probably show it was multiple times a month.
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Speaker 1: And one of the things I've always loved about music,
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Speaker 1: and you talked about storytelling, I love songs that had
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Speaker 1: that storytelling component. And when I took a moment to
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Speaker 1: listen to your song Camouflage, some of your lyrics stuck
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Speaker 1: out to me. This part of the chorus stuck out.
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Speaker 1: Everybody knows soldiers aren't allowed to cry. We all ignore
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Speaker 1: the hero in the room. Blame it on the camouflage.
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Speaker 1: I'm curious, Matt, when you were working on this song
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Speaker 1: with Nick, right, what was it for you that really
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Speaker 1: brought that powerful if you want to call it collective
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Speaker 1: of words for you to you? What was it that
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Speaker 1: came to you that brought that sentence together.
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Speaker 3: You know, it's kind of strange when you get that
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Speaker 3: kind of news and it felt like it was processed
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Speaker 3: so quickly. You know, you have those five stages of
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Speaker 3: grief kind of thing, but it's kind of like we
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Speaker 3: felt all of them in the process of trying to
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Speaker 3: write this song, and you get to that angry phase, right,
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Speaker 3: and that's kind.
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Speaker 2: Of what it was.
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Speaker 3: There's you know, the first step to solving a problem
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Speaker 3: is admitting there's a problem. And there's lots of people
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Speaker 3: that support the troops. There's lots of people. I mean,
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Speaker 3: that's kind of how I feel like I was you know,
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Speaker 3: I was kind of goes through Okay, yeah, I can
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Speaker 3: go do this event and help well here, I can
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Speaker 3: go do this and do that. But it was the
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Speaker 3: first time where I felt a real call to action
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Speaker 3: where I was like, man, I have to get into
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Speaker 3: the fight. I have to we have to start making
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Speaker 3: a change here. We have to figure out what this
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Speaker 3: is stemming from and why this is such an epidemic.
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Speaker 3: And that's kind of what that line means.
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Speaker 2: You know.
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Speaker 3: It's, you know, you see them and you hear that
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Speaker 3: a lot to thank you for your service, thank you
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Speaker 3: for this, thank you for that, But like there's are
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Speaker 3: empty word sometimes, you know what I mean. So we're
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Speaker 3: all ignored the hero in the room when they're when
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Speaker 3: they're as soon as they've become a problem or as
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Speaker 3: soon as they really need something. It's like those empty
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Speaker 3: words don't carry any weight anymore. And uh, you know,
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Speaker 3: figure that out on your own kind of thing. So
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Speaker 3: that's kind of what it meant, you know, it kind
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Speaker 3: of came from a place of frustration of you know,
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Speaker 3: thank you for your service and those empty words, and
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Speaker 3: then has followed right along with, oh, this is somebody
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Speaker 3: in crisis that needs our help. But that's a problem
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Speaker 3: they're going to have to figure out out on their own.
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Speaker 3: Were just going to pretend that we don't see that
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Speaker 3: I e.
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Speaker 1: Camouflage, you know, Matt, I'm glad you brought up the
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Speaker 1: empty platitudes because I find that a lot when people
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Speaker 1: are grieving right, people are quick to say my condolences
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Speaker 1: or and I run grief support groups for both parent
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Speaker 1: loss and suicide loss, and I always ask my participants,
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Speaker 1: what have been some of the platitude you've heard? And
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Speaker 1: I remember one of my parents said to me, Portia,
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Speaker 1: I couldn't hear anymore somebody else telling me I have
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Speaker 1: no words for the loss of your kid, And I said, wow,
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Speaker 1: I never even thought that for some people, that can
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Speaker 1: be just a trigger if so many people have already
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Speaker 1: said that, you know, And in my eyes, I have
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Speaker 1: a problem with people saying I'm sorry for your loss,
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Speaker 1: because in my eyes it's someone who has lost both
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Speaker 1: their parents. When people have said that to me, it's
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Speaker 1: like you're not the one who did something right. And
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Speaker 1: so for me, to your point, the platitudes of thank
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Speaker 1: you for your service, or you know, I appreciate what
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Speaker 1: you're doing, you're keeping me safe. It's like we're turning
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Speaker 1: a blind eye on the fact that this person, this soldier,
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Speaker 1: is more than just that. It's more than them just
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Speaker 1: wearing a uniform and keeping us safe. They have a
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Speaker 1: fracture within them from their experiences.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean that's that's you nailed it.
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Speaker 3: You nailed it exactly what what I think you know
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Speaker 3: goes on and there's there's so much weight that carried there.
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Speaker 2: So the empty the empty words they just I guess
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Speaker 2: they're nice.
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Speaker 3: You know, it's a nice thing to say, and you
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Speaker 3: made really but just going back to your point, sorry
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Speaker 3: for your loss. You know, after you hear that X
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Speaker 3: amount of times, it's almost your callous to it. You know,
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Speaker 3: it might as well be sandpaper rubbing against your skin.
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Speaker 3: It's just you know, that's but that's just the niceties.
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Speaker 3: That's just the thing to say, right.
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Speaker 1: It's the cover up. It's here's here's the band aid.
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Speaker 1: Because I really don't know what to say. At the
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Speaker 1: same time, I don't want to make you sad. At
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Speaker 1: the same time, I kind of because I've never really
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Speaker 1: dealt with my own emotions of grief or any of
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Speaker 1: these other things, I'm too afraid to really say what
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Speaker 1: I want to say. And I told people just be
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Speaker 1: brutally honest with me. Just say that sucks for you know,
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Speaker 1: that's like water down pop on pills, Like, just tell
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Speaker 1: me something other than I'm sorry for your laws or
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Speaker 1: by condolences and all the things.
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Speaker 3: You know.
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Speaker 1: And Matt, I'm curious when you hear the song. I mean,
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Speaker 1: because you're an artist, when you hear this song and
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Speaker 1: you think of your friend, you know, how does this
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Speaker 1: affect you? Because I mean, this is something, this is
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Speaker 1: a piece of your heart that you have poured out
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Speaker 1: into music, into a story. How does that affect you?
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Speaker 1: And does that help you to work with your grief
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Speaker 1: and integrate it?
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Speaker 3: Also, Yeah, it was a little overwhelming the first few
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Speaker 3: times I tried to play it live, to be honest,
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Speaker 3: even in the studio the first time we were starting
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Speaker 3: to track it. You know, I kind of had a
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Speaker 3: moment there and I feel it because I feel a
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Speaker 3: lot of different emotions playing the song here in the
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Speaker 3: song when we were recording it, the whole thing, and
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Speaker 3: it's like you feel the weight of it.
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Speaker 2: Right.
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Speaker 3: It's a heavy it's very heavy content to be trying
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Speaker 3: to come across and not only do you feel for
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Speaker 3: you know, the people that you're close to, and for instance,
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Speaker 3: my friend, you know this, So many of my closest
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Speaker 3: friends and my family are currently serving our veterans, you know,
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Speaker 3: and so many of them have had struggles and have
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Speaker 3: had to go talk to somebody. So I feel not
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Speaker 3: only this specific instance when I play this song. When
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Speaker 3: I hear this song, I feel the waight of all
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Speaker 3: of that and even the ones that I don't know,
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Speaker 3: and just how massive of a problem this is.
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Speaker 2: And you feel a little bit happy in the fact that.
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Speaker 3: Maybe this is raising awareness and maybe this is going
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Speaker 3: to be a conversation starter, But then you think about
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Speaker 3: all the loss that was too.
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Speaker 2: Soon, you know.
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Speaker 3: So there I try to have I really have to
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Speaker 3: focus on task at hand, even performing this song live,
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Speaker 3: because I can get lost in the moment of how
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Speaker 3: heavy it really is. And it was kind of hard
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Speaker 3: the first few times I played it live, to be honest,
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Speaker 3: I broke down. And but now I'm feeling the positive
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Speaker 3: energy of it, and I try to stay focused on
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Speaker 3: that when I'm performing it now, because I want it
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Speaker 3: to translate well and I want people to hear it
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Speaker 3: the way that it was written, in the way that
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Speaker 3: it was recorded. So it's been nice finding the people
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Speaker 3: to help me have.
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Speaker 2: The strength to do that.
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Speaker 1: Well, yeah, to really help you to keep your composure right,
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Speaker 1: because I mean, even though you are the artist behind
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Speaker 1: the entire thing, you're also delivering it. It takes a
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Speaker 1: toll on you because it's so close to your heart.
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Speaker 1: You know, it breaks your heart open and also mends
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Speaker 1: it simultaneously, so it's like you're crying and also you're
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Speaker 1: also sharing that those happy tears simultaneously, So it's like,
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Speaker 1: you know, multiple emotions are fighting for the microphone, right,
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Speaker 1: And I I think what a beautiful It sounds weird
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Speaker 1: to say it that way, but it is a very
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Speaker 1: beautiful experience because I think grief teaches us a lot
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Speaker 1: about duality, right, where we can have those happy moments
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Speaker 1: and also sad times. We're appreciative of this individual who
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Speaker 1: came into our life, who left an imprint on us,
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Speaker 1: where we're able to share about them through music, something
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Speaker 1: that is universally understood by people all over the world,
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Speaker 1: from the vocals, from the lyrics to even the instrumentals
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Speaker 1: that bring forth emotion. So what a beautiful way to
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Speaker 1: not only start a movement, get conversations going and also
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Speaker 1: help yourself to slowly heal from that grief of the
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Speaker 1: loss of someone so close to you.
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Speaker 3: Yes, the strangest thing, just what you were talking about,
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Speaker 3: of those two different emotions collide at the same time.
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Speaker 3: I'm not particularly used to navigating that feeling of Usually
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Speaker 3: I'm a one at a time kind of guy, you know,
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Speaker 3: after all us men were basically neand or thalls anyway. Uh,
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Speaker 3: you know, so it's been it's been something new to navigate.
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Speaker 3: But I'm just feel so honored to carry the legacy
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Speaker 3: and try to honor someone that deserved it, quite honestly,
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Speaker 3: and I just want to impact that change. It's you
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Speaker 3: know I've done. I've always been supportive, but it was
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Speaker 3: time to really put my money where my mouth was.
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Speaker 2: And uh.
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Speaker 3: And I'm not letting off the gas, you know, We're
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Speaker 3: I'm continuing the Uh. I'm continuing the relationship with Brothers
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Speaker 3: Keeper Veteran Foundation, which is where one hundred percent of
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Speaker 3: the revenue of this song goes to their charity. We're
19:51
Speaker 3: having a release show this coming Saturday in Nashville, fundraising
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Speaker 3: release show where all the tickets sells and everything that's
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Speaker 3: going to benefit that charity as well. We have co
20:03
Speaker 3: branded T shirts that are on my website that all
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Speaker 3: the proceeds go to them as well. Uh, and we're
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Speaker 3: expanding that relationship. I'm going to be doing some other
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Speaker 3: events with them in the near future and just looking
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Speaker 3: to continue that growth and to continue being a part
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Speaker 3: of the solution, which is.
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Speaker 2: All I really want to do.
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Speaker 1: And Matt, I thank you for sharing that, you know,
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Speaker 1: and we'll definitely put that info in the show notes
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Speaker 1: as well. So people who are in the Nashville area,
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Speaker 1: they're you know available, they can you know, definitely show
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Speaker 1: up and keep up with this initiative because you know,
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Speaker 1: count me in on the bandwagon to help, you know,
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Speaker 1: spread the word, because this is something that is slowly
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Speaker 1: continuing to go under the radar, right and it's not
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Speaker 1: like people have stopped and listing in the military, right.
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Speaker 1: These numbers keep growing, and yet the conversations are few
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Speaker 1: and forearm between. So Matt, you know, lots of love
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Speaker 1: your way, and I know that this is going to
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Speaker 1: be successful. Matt, before we wrap up for today, you
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Speaker 1: shared with us. First of all, so much gratitude to
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Speaker 1: you for writing this song in honor of your friend. Second,
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Speaker 1: you shared with us how the word camouflage has more
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Speaker 1: than one definition. It's not just the uniform or mass
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Speaker 1: that you put on, it's also the things that you
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Speaker 1: hide that are not often brought to the surface because
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Speaker 1: of the societal narratives and platitudes. And number three, thank
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Speaker 1: you for expressing your gratitude and showing us you know
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Speaker 1: how movements can happen not just through just us having conversations,
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Speaker 1: but also through music and our passions. So, Matt, before
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Speaker 1: we wrap up today for our audience who's tuning in,
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Speaker 1: what words of advice can you leave with them for today?
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Speaker 1: You know someone who wants to be in your shoes,
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Speaker 1: that wants to start a movement around a problem. They
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Speaker 1: want to be part of the solution, but maybe they
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Speaker 1: feel like they're not good enough, they're not big enough.
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Speaker 1: What words of advice can you leave with them for today?
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Speaker 3: Uh, you know I felt that way and in that
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Speaker 3: way before, where you see a problem and it looks
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Speaker 3: like it is a mountain and you're it looks like
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Speaker 3: a mountain that you could never ever reach the top of,
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Speaker 3: but you most certainly aren't if you don't start climbing.
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Speaker 3: So that's the first thing is to just be the change.
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Speaker 3: I think you will find your path. I think you'll
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Speaker 3: find the people and the support group. But if there's
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Speaker 3: something you believe in and you want to be a
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Speaker 3: different if you want to be the difference and you
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Speaker 3: want to make the change, it's got to be with you.
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Speaker 3: You have to you have to make that decision on
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Speaker 3: your own. And until you do that, you know, the
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Speaker 3: scenery never changes. So you can either be the meteor
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Speaker 3: or you can be the tail. And uh, I think
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Speaker 3: it's it's just important to start starting as the hardest part, Isn't.
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Speaker 1: That the truth? My uncle used to say all the time.
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Speaker 1: Nothing beats a failure but a try. That's right, well, everybody.
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Speaker 1: That concludes another episode of Grule Porsche. Thank you for
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Speaker 1: tuning in, and until next time, everybody, peace and hair grease.