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The Dark Knight Rises · Cuff’s Basement

• 0:01
  Speaker 1: Hello, Ryan, We're starting the recording now, okay, Now I
• 0:04
  Speaker 1: have a surprise for you. And during the Batman begins pod,
• 0:09
  Speaker 1: you were like, oh shit. I asked Eric to record
• 0:13
  Speaker 1: the score for these three movies.
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  Speaker 2: I didn't ask him, well, I meant to ask him.
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  Speaker 1: I wanted I told him I wanted to do it,
• 0:19
  Speaker 1: and I never followed up on it. So you were like, fuck,
• 0:22
  Speaker 1: that was a misopportunity. So I went on the side
• 0:29
  Speaker 1: and I said, Eric, could you record a track for
• 0:31
  Speaker 1: the last movie, Dark Knight Rises and record the score?
• 0:36
  Speaker 1: And here you go?
• 1:13
  Speaker 2: So at the at the Harvey Depp memorial event, yes,
• 1:19
  Speaker 2: this could have been played there right yeah, or at
• 1:23
  Speaker 2: that dinner you can take the headphones off. Now that
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  Speaker 2: was the perfect response, was that that was the only response.
• 1:30
  Speaker 1: So Eric, I texted Eric and I go, hey, man,
• 1:33
  Speaker 1: can you record jump driving well on the violin of viola?
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  Speaker 2: Already have one?
• 1:37
  Speaker 1: And he goes, he goes, here you go. He just
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  Speaker 1: responded in seconds it was in this.
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  Speaker 2: At work and just has the viola ready?
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  Speaker 1: The name of the file he audio file. He said
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  Speaker 1: he was Libby's favorite. But as the cat, the little
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  Speaker 1: robot goes off, so uh no, So He was like, yeah, sure,
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  Speaker 1: when do you need it? And I said I need
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  Speaker 1: it by seven twenty five, And on seven twenty four
• 2:01
  Speaker 1: he texted to me in the morning and I said,
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  Speaker 1: thank god, the world needed this.
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  Speaker 2: And then Eric wrote back.
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  Speaker 1: He was like, I normally have a nice microphone where
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  Speaker 1: I record violin tracks and I couldn't find it, and
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  Speaker 1: I was like searching my house up and down. I
• 2:16
  Speaker 1: was getting really annoyed, like where the fuck is this?
• 2:18
  Speaker 2: And then I thought, wait, wait, why.
• 2:20
  Speaker 1: Yeah, what do I care at all?
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  Speaker 2: But to be honest with you, I thought that sounded great,
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  Speaker 2: totally good.
• 2:24
  Speaker 1: I think iPhones have an unbelievable audio quality.
• 2:27
  Speaker 2: They really in video shoo very good. Yeah.
• 2:30
  Speaker 1: Yeah, well what's his name? That was kind of a
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  Speaker 1: burp drip.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I'll thendred dollars.
• 2:36
  Speaker 1: Yeah no, because I think you were a negative one still,
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  Speaker 1: so I think you might be a zero and we'll
• 2:41
  Speaker 1: say you're zero now. But what was the movie that
• 2:44
  Speaker 1: Soderberg film with an iPhone?
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  Speaker 2: Oh? The basketball one with the guy from uh Moonlight.
• 2:53
  Speaker 1: Holy moly, I shoot a lot of basketballs.
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  Speaker 2: Isn't that what it's called? No, my god, it's the
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  Speaker 2: Oh my god, it's.
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  Speaker 1: High something high fidelity with dun cusack.
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  Speaker 2: Oh it's high school high.
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  Speaker 1: Oh with the One and Only Jo.
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  Speaker 2: High Flying Bird. That's the name of it. Yeah, right,
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  Speaker 2: did you see it? I did?
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  Speaker 1: It?
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  Speaker 2: Was it good? It all looked like it was shot
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  Speaker 2: on an iPhone. It didn't. But it's like with digital movies,
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  Speaker 2: it's very hard to tell what its shot. One. I
• 3:20
  Speaker 2: also just wouldn't know myself in real life.
• 3:22
  Speaker 1: But I just really because Eric asked me to go
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  Speaker 1: see The Odyssey and I was just like.
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  Speaker 2: What do you think? Oh, this is this is a
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  Speaker 2: red bull, okay.
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  Speaker 1: Mixed with this is a peach red bull mixed with
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  Speaker 1: a peach.
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  Speaker 2: Oh no, okay, okay, but uh yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Eric was like what what I'm actually see it in?
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  Speaker 1: And like so there's what What are limaxes again?
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  Speaker 2: Limax is the ones that are like if you go
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  Speaker 2: to an AMC, like r I p to the Great
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  Speaker 2: One in Randolph, which is not an AMC, but they
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  Speaker 2: have an IMAX but it's not technically like the full
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  Speaker 2: scale sixty foot plus sixty foot plus screen of IMAX,
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  Speaker 2: but this one it's just like the whole idea of
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  Speaker 2: like the seventy millimeter plus Imax it's very like, it's
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  Speaker 2: very it's it's only like anything, like twelve theaters across
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  Speaker 2: the entire United say, think the close one to west
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  Speaker 2: is Rhode Island. But then I just go to the
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  Speaker 2: Imax in Natick or Reading because that's a true like
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  Speaker 2: gigantic screen imax. Yeah, but there's one I think also
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  Speaker 2: in dan Versus, a bit of a limax.
• 4:34
  Speaker 1: I said, I don't care. I don't care about like,
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  Speaker 1: do I want to see this in a regular theater?
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  Speaker 2: No? Do I want to see it in an Imax?
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  Speaker 1: Yes?
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  Speaker 2: Do I care? What is the best imax?
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  Speaker 1: Do I care about seeing it in like the different millimeters? No,
• 4:48
  Speaker 1: I don't even know what they mean. I don't care
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  Speaker 1: about seeing it in the David Square Theater, which is
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  Speaker 1: like the best sound and video quality of any theater anywhere.
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  Speaker 1: I don't care about limaxes. I just think if it's
• 5:00
  Speaker 1: better than a regular theater, that's still great. Like I
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  Speaker 1: saw Oppenheimer in a Limax and it was wonderful. Really,
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  Speaker 1: the sound in the picture was wonderful.
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  Speaker 2: My big thing with theach like the regular like imax
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  Speaker 2: is like really the sound. I always feel like it's
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  Speaker 2: just like big, dumb and Lounge, which I love, Like
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  Speaker 2: I saw one of the dunes there and it was
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  Speaker 2: just like so good. But I do, I do like it,
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  Speaker 2: but it's not like I know, There've been a lot
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  Speaker 2: of comparisons online of like the image quality compared to
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  Speaker 2: like the IMAX version of the Odyssey versus like a
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  Speaker 2: regular theater. But I'm like, yeah, who cares you? Like
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  Speaker 2: is a is a moviegoer really gonna care? Some of them?
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  Speaker 2: You ask some of them now, but I have always
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  Speaker 2: like I've actually seen every every Nolan after Batman Begins
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  Speaker 2: in Imax, the one that maybe you didn't see Batman Begins,
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  Speaker 2: I did see an Imax once, but after that I
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  Speaker 2: saw I was like, okay, this is a difference maker.
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  Speaker 2: And then especially into Stellar was a way better experience
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  Speaker 2: than Imax than it wasn't a regular theater. I saw
• 6:04
  Speaker 2: Interstellar in Imax.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, I like to see Chris her, I just
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  Speaker 1: don't really care about seeing The Odyssey.
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  Speaker 2: I'm gonna see it. I want to see it.
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  Speaker 1: I want to see in Imax, but I don't care
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  Speaker 1: and like not to call out Chinn and O'Leary, but
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  Speaker 1: she went and saw it right away, and I'm like,
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  Speaker 1: what really.
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  Speaker 2: I think the event feeling of it is very big.
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  Speaker 1: And then she was like, oh, it was excellent. I
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  Speaker 1: wanted to be like, really breakdown for me what you
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  Speaker 1: loved you Yeah, because you've never you would never see
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  Speaker 1: any other movie in the Zeitgeist there was anything like this.
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  Speaker 1: If it wasn't for this being such an event in
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  Speaker 1: the Zeitgeist saw center.
• 6:42
  Speaker 2: She's uses a lot of stuff.
• 6:43
  Speaker 1: Actually, we all know why she saw centers.
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  Speaker 2: She's only human. I also love how I'm called double MBJ.
• 6:49
  Speaker 2: I get it. I call double BJ double mbj.
• 6:53
  Speaker 1: Oh, I missed the first letter, ye call. I love
• 6:57
  Speaker 1: how I'm calling her out because she sent me the
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  Speaker 1: nicest text today. She sent me the text. She was like,
• 7:02
  Speaker 1: I was listening to the Dark Knight Pod. First of all,
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  Speaker 1: the fact she's even listening to that, Like.
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  Speaker 2: She should please don't subscribe everybody.
• 7:07
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I should. I shouldn't be criticizing her in anyway.
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  Speaker 1: And she was like, you used to complain when Shannon
• 7:13
  Speaker 1: would walk around upstairs, usually get so mad about like
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  Speaker 1: the audio quality on the podcast, And now Cec is
• 7:18
  Speaker 1: running around upstairs and you don't say anything. And I
• 7:20
  Speaker 1: think that's just really precious because it's about like how
• 7:23
  Speaker 1: your life has changed now you're dead, a different place
• 7:26
  Speaker 1: than when you started the podcast. And she said, maybe
• 7:28
  Speaker 1: this is like a hormonal thing, but I'm like getting
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  Speaker 1: emotional about it. Wow, And I was like, well, first
• 7:34
  Speaker 1: of all, don't ever complain about the audio quality again.
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  Speaker 2: Second, what a fucking terrible response that this, But go ahead.
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  Speaker 1: Second of all, CEC gets away with a lot like
• 7:43
  Speaker 1: who gets away with the most CC? Then the cats,
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  Speaker 1: then Shanna gets away with nothing.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. So yeah, but no, I get it has felt
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  Speaker 2: very eventish to me. Mm hmm yeah, and she actually,
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  Speaker 2: I shouldn't say actually, like it's like a surprise. She
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  Speaker 2: does see a lot of seven theaters because they'll always
• 8:02
  Speaker 2: like text about or even asking person about stuff. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: I'm going to keep my comments to myself as to why. Okay,
• 8:08
  Speaker 1: but you can text me on the Patreon and I
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  Speaker 1: will explain why. If you sent yeah, let's do that.
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  Speaker 2: Each response is five dollars.
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  Speaker 1: Twenty five if you want to know what I mean
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  Speaker 1: by this, if you want to hear like a clever response, Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: twenty five dollars to the Patreon per month for one year,
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  Speaker 1: and then after a year's happened, elapsed.
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  Speaker 2: I will send you my text, Stevie. They're paying twenty
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  Speaker 2: five dollars. You have a year to respond to them
• 8:37
  Speaker 2: about a pretty probably instantaneous response. But I think I
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  Speaker 2: am most This is so nerdy. I was talking about
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  Speaker 2: this to a friend recently and they text me like,
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  Speaker 2: have you seen it yet? And I was like no.
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  Speaker 2: They were like, oh, like, what have you heard? I
• 8:54
  Speaker 2: was like, actually, it's all been positive. I've heard nothing specific,
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  Speaker 2: which is the goal. I don't want to I just
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  Speaker 2: want to see it. Yeah, but I'm so fascinated by
• 9:02
  Speaker 2: and is is how does Christopher Nolan do creatures? Because
• 9:07
  Speaker 2: he has never done creatures, I'd say maybe not the
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  Speaker 2: trailers at all. Yes, I think the one Cyclops shot
• 9:14
  Speaker 2: is in there. I haven't seen it, but like I
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  Speaker 2: like he is, like besides, maybe like two Face and
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  Speaker 2: maybe like the Dark Night Nightmare. I'm sorry that Batman
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  Speaker 2: begins nightmare images. Yeah, and there's anything been remotely like
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  Speaker 2: quote unquote like fantastical.
• 9:29
  Speaker 1: Well didn't he do didn't he direct critters for.
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  Speaker 2: It's not counted? But yes, because he was that was
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  Speaker 2: an imax. That was an imax. He forced them to
• 9:39
  Speaker 2: put an imax. What it cost the studio millions, and
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  Speaker 2: actually it made less money.
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  Speaker 1: The filming creators for than Imax camera. There's an Imax
• 9:47
  Speaker 1: camera like in a toilet filming that scene you're.
• 9:51
  Speaker 2: Crossing the streams with goolies here, I think it's oh.
• 9:54
  Speaker 1: Goolies, That's what I'm thinking, Thank you, thank you.
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  Speaker 2: Critis is way too classy for that.
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  Speaker 1: Personally, I'm more of a Goolies guy then a Critters guy.
• 10:01
  Speaker 2: I've only seen I think the first credit I've only
• 10:04
  Speaker 2: I think I've seen The Goolies Go to College. That one.
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  Speaker 2: That's a real movie.
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  Speaker 1: By the way, one of the movie posters for Gholies
• 10:11
  Speaker 1: is a ghoulie in a toilet, Like that's the post.
• 10:13
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's in the Imax theater and men but no,
• 10:16
  Speaker 2: that's it sounds so nerdy. But I'm so curious how
• 10:19
  Speaker 2: he does that. I'm very like, yeah, what, what's that
• 10:21
  Speaker 2: person's point of view? Because apparently they are in there,
• 10:24
  Speaker 2: Like it's not like he like cleverly tries to hide it,
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  Speaker 2: like these things are in there from the story.
• 10:29
  Speaker 1: Oh and one thing I absolutely love is somebody said
• 10:32
  Speaker 1: to me, They're like, wow, that was really smart of
• 10:35
  Speaker 1: you to tie in the the Dark Knight Trilogy.
• 10:38
  Speaker 2: To the release of the odysty.
• 10:41
  Speaker 1: I said it was completely actually wasn't completely untention.
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  Speaker 2: Probably be a better program if we did, but we
• 10:49
  Speaker 2: truly did not know.
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  Speaker 1: You're so stupid.
• 10:51
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it would be it would be better if we
• 10:52
  Speaker 2: did it that way. But it was actually like this
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  Speaker 2: one I was always seem like the one always kept
• 10:58
  Speaker 2: the can down the road with this one, with the
• 11:00
  Speaker 2: Knight stuff, like we always the trilogy as a whole
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  Speaker 2: because originally think we thought of doing anything entirely Christopher
• 11:05
  Speaker 2: Nolan thing, yeah, yeah, and then it was like okay,
• 11:09
  Speaker 2: and then this came up and you're like, I'm like, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: this is pretty manageable. Plus, this is one of the
• 11:13
  Speaker 2: very few you could have multiple episodes for the same movie.
• 11:17
  Speaker 2: I should say more than two for the same movie. Yes,
• 11:20
  Speaker 2: and we were talking about today's episode. Yes, the Dark
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  Speaker 2: Knight Rises.
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  Speaker 1: The which year was that?
• 11:27
  Speaker 2: This was twenty twelve. Twelve is four years after The
• 11:31
  Speaker 2: Dark Knight.
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  Speaker 1: Wow, four years, which is further so Bannon against the
• 11:36
  Speaker 1: Dark Knight was three and this was four.
• 11:38
  Speaker 2: Yeah, spaced it out right. He had made inception in
• 11:43
  Speaker 2: between this, which is definitely evident on this movie with
• 11:47
  Speaker 2: the cast. Yeah, inception is probably is as bad as
• 11:55
  Speaker 2: this sounds, but I think it's pretty commonly known. It's
• 11:57
  Speaker 2: probably his truly biggest success in terms of like Christopher Nolan,
• 12:02
  Speaker 2: meaning like because The Dark Knight is.
• 12:05
  Speaker 1: Comic, right, like people are going to see Batman exactly,
• 12:07
  Speaker 1: inception people are going to see Christopher Nolan.
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  Speaker 2: It's also very high convoluted quote unquote, I guess sci fi,
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  Speaker 2: and it was a massive fucking hit.
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  Speaker 1: I always wonder too, like cause we'll talk about it.
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  Speaker 1: But Christopher Nolan's a sad of director, like Queen Tarantino,
• 12:25
  Speaker 1: works with the same people over and over and over again.
• 12:28
  Speaker 1: So when he works with a major star and then
• 12:29
  Speaker 1: doesn't like Leo, yeah, Leo is an inception.
• 12:33
  Speaker 2: He never worked with Leo again, But I think that
• 12:36
  Speaker 2: one I'm not truly shocked by because I feel like
• 12:38
  Speaker 2: Leo is.
• 12:39
  Speaker 1: Like Leo's worked with Scorsese how many times, like so many.
• 12:43
  Speaker 2: I think it's like what eight six or eight? Now
• 12:45
  Speaker 2: maybe I'm wrong, Yeah, he actually has a new one now,
• 12:49
  Speaker 2: I think because scort.
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  Speaker 1: Is the greatest director of all time to be.
• 12:51
  Speaker 2: Either he has like this again, like this eternal credit card.
• 12:55
  Speaker 2: But like Nolan even at that time post Dark Knight,
• 13:03
  Speaker 2: I think was given a lot more credit than other
• 13:08
  Speaker 2: quote unquote like stellar directors, like the place he is
• 13:11
  Speaker 2: at now in terms of like people's respect of him
• 13:14
  Speaker 2: and being like a Christopher Nolan movie is an event
• 13:17
  Speaker 2: was not there at the time. I think it kind
• 13:19
  Speaker 2: of was, but was not there. But then with inception
• 13:22
  Speaker 2: again being like so high falutint part of an insulting
• 13:26
  Speaker 2: way to put it, like so high concept. DiCaprio being
• 13:29
  Speaker 2: a star probably helped it get it up a certain way.
• 13:32
  Speaker 2: But also DiCaprio didn't interrupt. It was like I am
• 13:35
  Speaker 2: a star, so I take over this thing. Like it
• 13:37
  Speaker 2: still was very much Christopher Nolan movie. Well.
• 13:39
  Speaker 1: Also Tom Hardy nowadays is known as so difficult to
• 13:43
  Speaker 1: work with. He's like borderline canceled. Yeah, and Nolan worked
• 13:47
  Speaker 1: with him again.
• 13:48
  Speaker 2: I it's actually I just it's sad because whatever has
• 13:52
  Speaker 2: gone on with him. I don't know what it is
• 13:53
  Speaker 2: of maybe just like his personality or whatnot. But I
• 13:57
  Speaker 2: was like, oh man, remember like in the twenty tens,
• 14:00
  Speaker 2: this guy was the star to erupt in the tea
• 14:03
  Speaker 2: and he was a holy shit, look at this guy.
• 14:05
  Speaker 1: And you heard stories like oh, Tom Hardy didn't get
• 14:07
  Speaker 1: along with Shilabuff and you're kind of like, I'm on
• 14:10
  Speaker 1: Tom Hardy's side with that one. That doesn't mean any
• 14:14
  Speaker 1: And Tom Hardy got in a fight, and you're like.
• 14:17
  Speaker 2: Sounds right to me, right right, Yeah, I mean obviously,
• 14:19
  Speaker 2: I know we had an entire podcast about Hilda Abuff
• 14:21
  Speaker 2: and then a lot of things have gone on since. Yeah,
• 14:24
  Speaker 2: but like then you hear like mad Max for a row,
• 14:26
  Speaker 2: but that whole entire is making up insane and people
• 14:29
  Speaker 2: can't hat they hated each other.
• 14:32
  Speaker 1: And like because she's racist against white men, that's true,
• 14:35
  Speaker 1: that's her thing because most South Africans.
• 14:38
  Speaker 2: But she's in a movie made by this director with
• 14:41
  Speaker 2: the whitest man alive. But it's a thing where like
• 14:46
  Speaker 2: he became so popular I think also for like even
• 14:50
  Speaker 2: he didn't have a really big like personality in terms
• 14:53
  Speaker 2: of like being out like in the world, like it
• 14:56
  Speaker 2: seemed to have interviews. He never was like fake or
• 14:59
  Speaker 2: anything like that, Like I think people really responded to. Yeah.
• 15:02
  Speaker 2: Plus he was never afraid to do like down and
• 15:04
  Speaker 2: dirty stuff as opposed to bigger stuff. Yeah, he was
• 15:07
  Speaker 2: never like I'm below this now. He he always was
• 15:09
  Speaker 2: willing to bounce. It's like Denzel's going to bounce back
• 15:11
  Speaker 2: and forth. Yeah, I think people really admire that, and
• 15:14
  Speaker 2: I definitely do too. But he always he always.
• 15:17
  Speaker 1: He loved to portray like weird characters.
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  Speaker 2: And I thought the best thing about Tom Hardy I've
• 15:22
  Speaker 2: ever heard was that Tom Hardy is like the true
• 15:24
  Speaker 2: successor to Nicholas Cage because he's like, I'm gonna do
• 15:27
  Speaker 2: this wild ass thing and you're just gonna take it,
• 15:30
  Speaker 2: and if you don't like it, you hire someone else.
• 15:32
  Speaker 2: Like that's what he would do, and like no matter
• 15:34
  Speaker 2: what movie he's in, and this movie kicks off or
• 15:36
  Speaker 2: I think is the fermentation of I'm gonna be the
• 15:40
  Speaker 2: weirdest voice possible and you're just gonna take it, because
• 15:43
  Speaker 2: Mad Max is a very weird voice. And even in Dunkirk,
• 15:46
  Speaker 2: like he's just very like strange, but like it's just
• 15:50
  Speaker 2: funny because like Inception, he'd be. He was so like
• 15:52
  Speaker 2: Quo unquike, like James Bond charming in that movie, and
• 15:54
  Speaker 2: that brought him into American success. Yeah, and then like
• 15:58
  Speaker 2: this movie is just so complete different like character style, everything.
• 16:06
  Speaker 1: Yeah, So do you want to other than not forgetting
• 16:09
  Speaker 1: Heath Fledger. Do you want to talk about anything in
• 16:11
  Speaker 1: between sure, Dark Knight and the release of this movie,
• 16:15
  Speaker 1: not related to Heath Ledger.
• 16:16
  Speaker 2: Sure, absolutely So. A big thing about this was that
• 16:20
  Speaker 2: was a huge question is obviously were they gonna do
• 16:22
  Speaker 2: it in general?
• 16:23
  Speaker 1: And like just to address that right away, I guess
• 16:26
  Speaker 1: so everybody was wondering on earth, how are they going to.
• 16:29
  Speaker 2: Address the joker in this movie?
• 16:31
  Speaker 1: Yes, because obviously the intention was to put Heath Ledger
• 16:34
  Speaker 1: in the third Yes, obviously based on the way the
• 16:36
  Speaker 1: second movie went and the way they chose to handle it.
• 16:39
  Speaker 1: Christopher Nolan was like, we're just not gonna mention anything.
• 16:44
  Speaker 1: We're just gonna pretend that it never happened. Like not
• 16:47
  Speaker 1: that it never happened. We're gonna pretend that the joke, Like,
• 16:50
  Speaker 1: we're not gonna address the joker, Heath Ledger. What you know,
• 16:54
  Speaker 1: whary he is?
• 16:55
  Speaker 2: That he dies?
• 16:56
  Speaker 1: He an Arkham.
• 16:57
  Speaker 2: They never say I don't think they ever say the
• 16:59
  Speaker 2: word joker.
• 17:00
  Speaker 1: No, they never say the word joker on the movie.
• 17:02
  Speaker 1: And at first I thought, before seeing it, I was like,
• 17:04
  Speaker 1: they can't possibly do that. They have to address it
• 17:07
  Speaker 1: in some way. But then after seeing this movie, I
• 17:09
  Speaker 1: was like, no, that's absolutely how they should have handled it.
• 17:12
  Speaker 1: I just do what else do you do?
• 17:14
  Speaker 2: If you the second you mention him, it triggers the
• 17:18
  Speaker 2: thought in people's head and it's over.
• 17:20
  Speaker 1: People think French Stewart is the joker.
• 17:22
  Speaker 2: In Okay the Men, You're at the prison. It's terrible,
• 17:29
  Speaker 2: But I did want to mention the I didn't mention
• 17:33
  Speaker 2: this in the last podcast, but I want to share
• 17:35
  Speaker 2: it that we mentioned David Gorya, the writer on that
• 17:38
  Speaker 2: moan begins, but so Jonathan Nolan, Chris n Olan's brother
• 17:41
  Speaker 2: comes into play. He went on to create Westworld and
• 17:44
  Speaker 2: do some other stuff. I didn't know that he comes
• 17:46
  Speaker 2: in and as a writer on Dark Knight, and he
• 17:47
  Speaker 2: comes in on Dark Knight Rises. I thought it was
• 17:50
  Speaker 2: just worth sharing. Because of the success of Inception. Inception
• 17:56
  Speaker 2: actually won multiple Oscars, including the cinematographer Wally Fister, who
• 18:01
  Speaker 2: shot this movie. This is his last movie as a cinematographer.
• 18:05
  Speaker 2: He decided to stop and become I think he's directing
• 18:08
  Speaker 2: television now. It could be wrong, but he quit being
• 18:11
  Speaker 2: a cinematographer. Another aspect of this movie that's slightly different
• 18:16
  Speaker 2: is that because of the success of the music of
• 18:20
  Speaker 2: inception the big womb sound that is now eternally copied
• 18:25
  Speaker 2: similar to The Dark Knight. James Newton Howard, who is
• 18:28
  Speaker 2: the composer on Batman, begins in Dark Knight, does not
• 18:32
  Speaker 2: come back for this one because he said I felt
• 18:34
  Speaker 2: like a bit of a third wheel. They treated him
• 18:37
  Speaker 2: that way, but he said, like I felt like these
• 18:39
  Speaker 2: two now have this director composer's success, like William Spielberg
• 18:44
  Speaker 2: stuffing like that, where like this is the true vibe
• 18:46
  Speaker 2: to go with. So Hans Zimmer does this movie alone
• 18:50
  Speaker 2: and it chows because it stinks until watching it this time,
• 18:56
  Speaker 2: I actually love this movie. I love this music. I
• 18:58
  Speaker 2: think it's great. I love the new themes. But they
• 19:00
  Speaker 2: would have it would have helped with some of this stuff.
• 19:04
  Speaker 2: A thing about this movie that I thought was really interesting,
• 19:05
  Speaker 2: and I remember this being a big part of it,
• 19:07
  Speaker 2: was that the title Nolan, this was not the title
• 19:11
  Speaker 2: he wanted to call this movie. And I think when
• 19:13
  Speaker 2: you watch the movie you see why. He thought like
• 19:17
  Speaker 2: each movie should have its own identity, like the Star
• 19:20
  Speaker 2: Wars trilogy. Because Nolan begins the Dark Knight. Yeah, it's
• 19:26
  Speaker 2: like Nolan felt like the title should match the theme
• 19:30
  Speaker 2: in an interview is he said, like I really after
• 19:33
  Speaker 2: he led Passing Away, it was like not sure we
• 19:34
  Speaker 2: should do another one, And then when they were doing
• 19:37
  Speaker 2: one of these kind of like, okay, well, how do
• 19:39
  Speaker 2: I make it different enough? So, like the rumors always
• 19:42
  Speaker 2: that was gonna be called either Gotham or Gotham City,
• 19:45
  Speaker 2: And I think that made more sense for this story
• 19:48
  Speaker 2: because we have way more main character.
• 19:50
  Speaker 1: Awful title, that's a it's an idiotic title.
• 19:54
  Speaker 2: Just don't like the Dark Man Rises either.
• 19:56
  Speaker 1: The title better than Gotham. I but in Gotham.
• 20:02
  Speaker 2: But I would to me, I'm like, especially when you
• 20:04
  Speaker 2: watch this movie, like, okay, you're telling me this is
• 20:06
  Speaker 2: different because with Dark Knight Rise, did you tell me
• 20:08
  Speaker 2: this is a sequel to the Dark Knight this is
• 20:10
  Speaker 2: a direction?
• 20:10
  Speaker 1: Sure?
• 20:11
  Speaker 2: Well, like the Dark Knights and begins, it's a different style,
• 20:13
  Speaker 2: it's a different feel. I would get that. I just
• 20:17
  Speaker 2: I think the Dark Knight Rise is just plus there's
• 20:19
  Speaker 2: also the curse of like the Rises titles.
• 20:23
  Speaker 1: Like based on what into Joe Rise was that like nine,
• 20:32
  Speaker 1: I don't think that was on anyone's brain when they
• 20:34
  Speaker 1: came up with the title.
• 20:35
  Speaker 2: I think since well, I think because of these movies
• 20:37
  Speaker 2: since it's happened, it's been a lot more like Rise
• 20:39
  Speaker 2: of Skywalker that was years later. Don't but I just
• 20:46
  Speaker 2: feel like I would.
• 20:47
  Speaker 1: I would run the shadows, rise out of the Shadows.
• 20:53
  Speaker 2: I think Rise of tmn T was one of them too.
• 20:55
  Speaker 2: It's like Chris, there are no they will be in here.
• 20:58
  Speaker 1: Yeah, they'll show up, but I haven't crossed over before
• 21:01
  Speaker 1: in the comics.
• 21:02
  Speaker 2: That's true, That's very true. Ronan versus Batman. But I
• 21:05
  Speaker 2: think the title was a big thing because he always thought,
• 21:07
  Speaker 2: like he has blatantly said, like the title was always
• 21:11
  Speaker 2: like he didn't.
• 21:12
  Speaker 1: Call you a Gotham or Gotham City would be awful.
• 21:16
  Speaker 1: That's a terrible It's not called like Batman anything. It's
• 21:19
  Speaker 1: just called Gotham. But I think, like Christopher Nolans.
• 21:25
  Speaker 2: Like you have so many now characters.
• 21:27
  Speaker 1: Sure, but no, that's a terrible title.
• 21:30
  Speaker 2: Baan Bain begins. Actually, you know what the best title
• 21:34
  Speaker 2: for this entire trilogy.
• 21:35
  Speaker 1: I am not kidding. Bane Begins is a better title
• 21:37
  Speaker 1: than Gotham.
• 21:38
  Speaker 2: Bane Begins is not a good title.
• 21:39
  Speaker 1: Or Gotham City X Men Origins Wolverine is a better title.
• 21:44
  Speaker 2: No, it's not than.
• 21:46
  Speaker 1: They called this movie Gotham City. Are you serious right now?
• 21:49
  Speaker 1: But no, this is like the fat neck thing. That's
• 21:51
  Speaker 1: a that is an awful title. I'm glad the studio intervened.
• 21:56
  Speaker 1: The studio. This was so bad that the Christopher Nolan
• 21:59
  Speaker 1: is printing money. He made the Dark Knight, he made inception,
• 22:02
  Speaker 1: he is now a solidified god in the studio is like,
• 22:06
  Speaker 1: call it whatever you want. And he said Gotham City,
• 22:08
  Speaker 1: and they were like, oh no, no, never.
• 22:09
  Speaker 2: Mind, no, no, no, I would disagree with that thought
• 22:12
  Speaker 2: at all because of this reason alone, that weekend's made
• 22:15
  Speaker 2: like four hundred million dollars. Fucking Dark Knight clears a billion, Yeah,
• 22:20
  Speaker 2: in like almost half that time. Yeah, there is. They
• 22:23
  Speaker 2: were going to tell him call it the Dark Knight too,
• 22:25
  Speaker 2: like number two like that. There was no way they
• 22:27
  Speaker 2: were not calling the Dark Knight.
• 22:28
  Speaker 1: There was no way, sure, no way they wanted to
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: make that association.
• 22:32
  Speaker 2: Yes, even though you all really Christian bils in it,
• 22:35
  Speaker 2: we wouldn't know weird. Yeah, but I really liked the
• 22:43
  Speaker 2: build up to like this did a very good job.
• 22:46
  Speaker 2: I think similarly with like the casting, the marketing. I
• 22:49
  Speaker 2: think the poster of the Broken Mask was fantastic one
• 22:53
  Speaker 2: of the strong, which is in the entire movie. They
• 22:56
  Speaker 2: also did which can lead us. In the beginning of
• 22:58
  Speaker 2: the movie, they didn't Imax preview. He's now been doing
• 23:04
  Speaker 2: it almost ever since. Is the opening plane scene with pain. Okay,
• 23:10
  Speaker 2: so it's been a big thing with him.
• 23:12
  Speaker 1: What was it before?
• 23:13
  Speaker 2: Do you know? What do you mean? Because they usually
• 23:15
  Speaker 2: put it before a movie. I don't know. It's because
• 23:18
  Speaker 2: I think, like, so that was Monster House three, it
• 23:20
  Speaker 2: was I wish no, they would have called it Monster City.
• 23:26
  Speaker 2: It was.
• 23:26
  Speaker 1: Dude, I still don't know where my car is. That's
• 23:29
  Speaker 1: where Imax?
• 23:30
  Speaker 2: Where is that? By the way, how is that not?
• 23:33
  Speaker 2: How does that not exist?
• 23:34
  Speaker 1: One of the actually one of the people the studio,
• 23:36
  Speaker 1: not Christopher Nolan the studio wanted as Batman was Ashton
• 23:39
  Speaker 1: Kutcher for Batman Begins.
• 23:43
  Speaker 2: Sure, sure they would think that.
• 23:46
  Speaker 1: Yeah. I watched like a making of Batman Begins documentary
• 23:52
  Speaker 1: and maybe you already mentioned this, but David as Goyer
• 23:54
  Speaker 1: really wanted Jake Jillen All.
• 23:56
  Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, I think it would have been good. Yeah,
• 23:58
  Speaker 2: he was. He was a leave rumor for Spider Man
• 24:01
  Speaker 2: for a long time too. Yes, I think that was
• 24:03
  Speaker 2: the whole idea of casting him in I don't know
• 24:06
  Speaker 2: a problem. He was actually a very good and far
• 24:07
  Speaker 2: from Home as mysterio. Yeah, very good pick. But yeah,
• 24:13
  Speaker 2: so this place I forgot. So that would if this
• 24:16
  Speaker 2: came out in summer of twenty eleven, I'm sorry, twenty twelve,
• 24:19
  Speaker 2: it would have been like December of twenty eleven. So
• 24:21
  Speaker 2: my guest would be like Harry Potter maybe okay, but
• 24:25
  Speaker 2: I'm not sure. But they, similar to The Dark Knight,
• 24:30
  Speaker 2: put out the opening scene of this movie, which we'll
• 24:33
  Speaker 2: go through.
• 24:35
  Speaker 1: We might not have time, sure, what are we doing?
• 24:42
  Speaker 2: So what's interesting about this opening compared to the other
• 24:46
  Speaker 2: ones is that it.
• 24:48
  Speaker 1: Was anything other than the build up to the mot
• 24:50
  Speaker 1: we're going into the movie now?
• 24:52
  Speaker 2: That was really that's it. Yeah, that's all I have.
• 24:55
  Speaker 1: Because the opening scene, to be fair, is not the
• 24:57
  Speaker 1: opening scene of this movie, like the Vane plane ride
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: is not the opening scene. There's a moment before then
• 25:05
  Speaker 1: where it's oh, yes, it's Gordon giving a speech.
• 25:08
  Speaker 2: I wish they don't have that. I believed in Harvey Dent.
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: Yes, so let me just pull up my copious notes. Yeah,
• 25:17
  Speaker 1: Gordon gives a little speech about I believe in Harvey Dent.
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: It's is this when he says like it's Harvey Dent, No,
• 25:26
  Speaker 1: it's that's that's later. So's he's just saying, I believe
• 25:29
  Speaker 1: is this like his eulogy? I don't remember so.
• 25:31
  Speaker 2: Doing like it's a it's like a fund raiser or
• 25:34
  Speaker 2: something for like someone at Wayne manor Okay, but it's again,
• 25:38
  Speaker 2: we see this later, but it's a clip of it.
• 25:41
  Speaker 2: But I had never put up in this until then.
• 25:43
  Speaker 2: He says, I believed in Harvey Dent that before.
• 25:47
  Speaker 1: And people would probably think it's because Harvey Dent is dead,
• 25:50
  Speaker 1: but it's actually to Gordon, it's Harvey Dent was corrupted
• 25:53
  Speaker 1: by the Joker, Yes, turned Joker tried to make him
• 25:56
  Speaker 1: evil and he succeeded. Yes, so he will always be
• 25:59
  Speaker 1: like a let down in a way because Batman was
• 26:02
  Speaker 1: never corrupted, even by the Joker, even when right y'all died. So,
• 26:09
  Speaker 1: but she'll be back in this.
• 26:10
  Speaker 2: Movie, guys, in a way you won't expect.
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: Wait, hold on, hold on. So yes, this opening scene
• 26:22
  Speaker 1: is ridiculous. I much like the Dark Knight Dark Knight
• 26:25
  Speaker 1: Rises opening scene is incredible. Little Finger aka Kirk Ketty Wolf. Yeah,
• 26:36
  Speaker 1: why do you say wolf his accent.
• 26:38
  Speaker 2: This is a rough performance by anybody, Yeah.
• 26:40
  Speaker 1: He has some rough Kirk Ketty always had a bad
• 26:43
  Speaker 1: American accent, and there Little Finger, people were like, what
• 26:46
  Speaker 1: the fuck is he doing because he always talks out
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: of the side of his mouth. He's teosh and people
• 26:53
  Speaker 1: are like, what is the little Finger doing? And then
• 26:55
  Speaker 1: in this movie also he can't just can't do an
• 26:57
  Speaker 1: American accent.
• 26:58
  Speaker 2: What's his name? I have no idea his character's name.
• 27:02
  Speaker 1: No, not his character's name, the acturate Aiden Gillen. Yeah
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: that sounds right. Yeah, so yeah, explain what's going on here.
• 27:10
  Speaker 2: So he is at a plane that's currently landed and
• 27:16
  Speaker 2: a truck arrives and they have three prisoners with them,
• 27:19
  Speaker 2: and he's looking for a person who is a scientist
• 27:22
  Speaker 2: scientist who has been missing. They had the missing scientist
• 27:25
  Speaker 2: and like, hey, the people who found the missing scientists say,
• 27:28
  Speaker 2: we found also these three guys with him who are
• 27:30
  Speaker 2: trying to find him. We figured it can help you
• 27:33
  Speaker 2: because they are connected to I love this guy. By
• 27:36
  Speaker 2: the way, in the whole movie, I don't know what
• 27:38
  Speaker 2: his name is, the mess Man. He's the guy who's
• 27:41
  Speaker 2: last the entire movie until where he is I was
• 27:43
  Speaker 2: driving the best backspaced at the end of the movie,
• 27:46
  Speaker 2: he's just randomly shot like oh shit, and he's like
• 27:48
  Speaker 2: falls over. It's so bizarre. Yeah, he gets no payoff
• 27:52
  Speaker 2: the mess man. I think it's like Josh Stewart is
• 27:55
  Speaker 2: his name really, But he's like so like they bring
• 28:01
  Speaker 2: on the plane and Aidan Gillen like it's like he
• 28:08
  Speaker 2: has to open it. He has to open the plane door.
• 28:10
  Speaker 2: So he's to scream just the way he's like holding
• 28:13
  Speaker 2: the gun is being like if I you it's like
• 28:17
  Speaker 2: it's brutal.
• 28:18
  Speaker 1: But he's in the CIA. Yes, so this is a
• 28:21
  Speaker 1: CIA mission. That's like, you know, nobody's ever gonna find
• 28:25
  Speaker 1: out what happens. And there it's so this is in
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: the air, this plane is flying and Nolan like filmed this.
• 28:33
  Speaker 2: This is real? Yes, how do you film this in
• 28:36
  Speaker 2: real life? It looks incredible.
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: It's like, so he's he opens the door to the
• 28:42
  Speaker 1: plane and he's like, you know, let's let's torture these
• 28:47
  Speaker 1: guys and find out about babe. So he grabs the
• 28:51
  Speaker 1: first guy and he's hanging and said, first of all,
• 28:53
  Speaker 1: they're all wearing hoods the entire time. They don't take
• 28:55
  Speaker 1: off their hoods, which makes no sense.
• 28:56
  Speaker 2: Well, they they like the people who claimed found the
• 29:01
  Speaker 2: doctor and say, we have these three guys who are
• 29:03
  Speaker 2: trying to also find him for other purposes in tow
• 29:07
  Speaker 2: as hostages. They're like, well, okay, like I think it's
• 29:10
  Speaker 2: accept him as how they are.
• 29:12
  Speaker 1: If that is torturing somebody, I want to see their
• 29:14
  Speaker 1: face in the past. Okay, that's just been my rule
• 29:17
  Speaker 1: of thumb. And so he's like, he takes the first
• 29:21
  Speaker 1: guy and he holds his heat out of the plane door,
• 29:24
  Speaker 1: and he's like, tell me about.
• 29:25
  Speaker 2: Bade, Yeah, tell me why he wears the mask.
• 29:28
  Speaker 1: Tell me why he wears the mask because it's pretty
• 29:31
  Speaker 1: uh So, then the guy doesn't answer. So the other
• 29:35
  Speaker 1: guy's wearing masks, hoods, not masks hoods. So Aiden Gillen
• 29:41
  Speaker 1: fires a gun in the guy's face, pretending like he
• 29:45
  Speaker 1: just killed that guy and threw him out the door.
• 29:48
  Speaker 1: So he's like, okay, like I just threw that guy
• 29:51
  Speaker 1: out of the plane. That's what he says to the
• 29:53
  Speaker 1: guys in the other guys in the hoods. And then
• 29:56
  Speaker 1: he takes the next guy and is saying the same thing,
• 29:59
  Speaker 1: like you got to talk. You gotta tell me about babe.
• 30:02
  Speaker 1: And what does he say to the guy, like, uh.
• 30:07
  Speaker 2: I butchered this before, but he he this is the guy.
• 30:10
  Speaker 2: He asks why does he wear the mask? That's like
• 30:12
  Speaker 2: why would you care? Right, It's like why does he
• 30:15
  Speaker 2: wear the mask?
• 30:16
  Speaker 1: But then he also says a comment to him about like.
• 30:20
  Speaker 2: He didn't talk too much or something like that, Yeah, the.
• 30:22
  Speaker 1: First guy didn't talk too much, like are you gonna
• 30:25
  Speaker 1: make the same mistake or something like that.
• 30:27
  Speaker 2: And then all of a sudden you hear.
• 30:29
  Speaker 1: Oh, perhaps she's wondering why someone would shoot him on
• 30:33
  Speaker 1: before throwing him out of a plane. Let's go and
• 30:38
  Speaker 1: it's it's so so let's talk about let's talk about
• 30:41
  Speaker 1: Bain's voice.
• 30:42
  Speaker 2: Incredible.
• 30:42
  Speaker 1: It was so clear and loud in this scene. And
• 30:46
  Speaker 1: from you just mentioned that they originally showed this before
• 30:50
  Speaker 1: Monster House seven.
• 30:51
  Speaker 2: Or Harry Potter Monster got to Run again?
• 30:54
  Speaker 1: Ye, and uh in the IMAX and like the tests
• 30:58
  Speaker 1: showings of this.
• 30:59
  Speaker 2: Scene, people have no clue what you're saying. Everybody was like,
• 31:02
  Speaker 2: what the fuck is it?
• 31:06
  Speaker 1: So I I never heard that original Bane, but they
• 31:10
  Speaker 1: re recorded because of the audience reaction, they re recorded
• 31:14
  Speaker 1: or re dubbed it entirely all of Tom Hardy's line yep,
• 31:18
  Speaker 1: because Christopher Nolan. It's kind of like when you're raising
• 31:21
  Speaker 1: your own child, like CC and CEC will say gibberish
• 31:24
  Speaker 1: to me and my mom will be like, what did
• 31:25
  Speaker 1: she just say? And I'm like, oh, she wanted to
• 31:28
  Speaker 1: tell you that, like last night. Last night, her baby
• 31:30
  Speaker 1: was cold, so she took her baby into the blanket.
• 31:32
  Speaker 1: I'm sure that's how no one like viewed Bane. But
• 31:35
  Speaker 1: apparently did you ever listen to the original recording?
• 31:37
  Speaker 2: I saw it, and so I got in theorists and
• 31:39
  Speaker 2: it was like you, I didn't. I didn't like recollect
• 31:44
  Speaker 2: I couldn't understood it. I couldn't understand it. Wow, there
• 31:46
  Speaker 2: we go. But on YouTube right now is like our
• 31:49
  Speaker 2: before and afters, and you're like, whoa, Like, it's like
• 31:52
  Speaker 2: way off. I think they wanted to make it more
• 31:55
  Speaker 2: gargled because of the mask and this in the physical
• 31:58
  Speaker 2: weight of the mask. But in movie world you can't
• 32:01
  Speaker 2: do that.
• 32:02
  Speaker 1: You have to know yes, yeah, yeah, And then Aiden
• 32:07
  Speaker 1: Gillen rips the hood off and it's a sane Tom.
• 32:10
  Speaker 2: Hardy a great shot, that is, it's so good in
• 32:13
  Speaker 2: the mask.
• 32:15
  Speaker 1: And he's asking he goes like who are you? And
• 32:21
  Speaker 1: Bain says, it doesn't.
• 32:22
  Speaker 2: Matter who we are.
• 32:23
  Speaker 1: What Matos is a plant? This was like infinitely spoofed
• 32:30
  Speaker 1: and in the at the time, but they win.
• 32:33
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah. There was like a south Park episode about
• 32:35
  Speaker 2: Bane World mister upres Man love when they take the
• 32:40
  Speaker 2: ups Guy hostage. Yeah, I love mister Garrison. The episode
• 32:43
  Speaker 2: just goes, wait, there are eight bands. I love that.
• 32:47
  Speaker 2: That's a good talker. You need to echo because there's
• 32:50
  Speaker 2: something going through. But what Matos? I wanted to ask
• 32:54
  Speaker 2: you this. I think this is the most important Questions
• 32:55
  Speaker 2: movie because truly, the hurdle of this movie, outside of
• 32:58
  Speaker 2: like the movie itself, has to be like really like exciting,
• 33:02
  Speaker 2: well done, and have some element of like lifting it
• 33:08
  Speaker 2: out of the genres in their true like flex in
• 33:13
  Speaker 2: this movie was like, Okay, our last movie, the biggest
• 33:17
  Speaker 2: thing people talk about is the villain, and it was
• 33:18
  Speaker 2: this like iconic, unique performance. You can't copy that, And
• 33:26
  Speaker 2: weirdly like their instincts paid off by being like, we're
• 33:30
  Speaker 2: gonna go with Baine because Baine was just true like
• 33:33
  Speaker 2: physical power, like the Joker could not truly physically be Batman.
• 33:37
  Speaker 2: So let's go with Baine and go with like just
• 33:39
  Speaker 2: like brute Force. But the fact that like maybe I
• 33:42
  Speaker 2: don't know if this is Tom Hardy or Nolan or whatever,
• 33:44
  Speaker 2: because of Baine's background as a character, he has this
• 33:48
  Speaker 2: mixed background in the animated series when I remember at
• 33:52
  Speaker 2: least he had a bit more of like a Spanish accent.
• 33:55
  Speaker 1: Because Bane the character is Brazilian.
• 33:57
  Speaker 2: Okay, so Brazilian accent and Hardy was like this interview
• 34:02
  Speaker 2: with Hardy, He's like Bain's background seemingly changed. So I
• 34:06
  Speaker 2: thought he had a really unique voice, and I love
• 34:10
  Speaker 2: because of the voice. I truly think this movie succeeds
• 34:14
  Speaker 2: admirably because the voice. Even though you say people have
• 34:18
  Speaker 2: gooved on and made fun of it, it works like
• 34:20
  Speaker 2: he watches some it doesn't feel like this is out
• 34:22
  Speaker 2: a place. This is wrong, I thought.
• 34:24
  Speaker 1: So he based it on like a bare knuckle traveler
• 34:28
  Speaker 1: boxer champion, and he was he was in an interview
• 34:32
  Speaker 1: and he was like, I saw an interview with this
• 34:34
  Speaker 1: bare knuckle boxing champion who is a you know, the
• 34:39
  Speaker 1: inappropriate non PC term is gypsy. He was a gypsy traveler,
• 34:43
  Speaker 1: bare knuckle boxer. And he said like when I far
• 34:46
  Speaker 1: to man, I want to wait, why pay him off
• 34:48
  Speaker 1: the face of the off, and he was like, this
• 34:51
  Speaker 1: is the dude like I and and so Bain, let's
• 34:54
  Speaker 1: talk about Baine is a character real quick. So the
• 34:56
  Speaker 1: best bin in film is obviously Jeep Swinson.
• 34:59
  Speaker 2: And I knew you were gonna bring him up. I
• 35:02
  Speaker 2: knew it, especially the end of this movie. I thought
• 35:04
  Speaker 2: you were definitely going to bring him up.
• 35:05
  Speaker 1: Yeah, because Bain was invented I want to say in
• 35:09
  Speaker 1: the nineties, because he was invented late for like comic book.
• 35:13
  Speaker 2: Was it the Bob Gale Run? Am I wrong? Yeah,
• 35:15
  Speaker 2: I'm gonna look it up. It might be eighties, but
• 35:17
  Speaker 2: I want to say nineties. Yea, he was.
• 35:20
  Speaker 1: He was ninety three, ninety His first appearance is ninety three.
• 35:26
  Speaker 2: He was created by Chuck Dixon.
• 35:27
  Speaker 1: Graham Nolan Oh no relation, and Doug Mounch Munch. But
• 35:33
  Speaker 1: Bain is a like master tactician, intelligent, like Brazilian guy
• 35:41
  Speaker 1: who he is.
• 35:43
  Speaker 2: His whole thing in the.
• 35:44
  Speaker 1: Animated series is he uses this thing called Venom and
• 35:50
  Speaker 1: it's basically like.
• 35:51
  Speaker 2: A super steroid.
• 35:54
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Tom Hardy, Yeah, you're right, venom, but it's called
• 35:57
  Speaker 1: venom and it's like a super steroid almost picture like
• 36:00
  Speaker 1: the Captain America Super Soldiers serum.
• 36:03
  Speaker 2: But you have to use it.
• 36:05
  Speaker 1: It's not like Captain America's thing was permanent. He was
• 36:08
  Speaker 1: experimented on and then he became Captain America. This is
• 36:11
  Speaker 1: like you inject yourself with a steroid and it turns
• 36:14
  Speaker 1: you into Captain America temporarily, but then it like over time,
• 36:18
  Speaker 1: it makes you go crazy and breaks your body down,
• 36:20
  Speaker 1: as steroids in real life tend to do so, Like
• 36:23
  Speaker 1: I think the concept of Baine and Venom was a
• 36:26
  Speaker 1: reaction to the steroid craze of sports and pro wrestling
• 36:31
  Speaker 1: and bodybuilding and powerlifting in the nineteen eighties. So as
• 36:36
  Speaker 1: a result of the concept of that character, Bayin is
• 36:40
  Speaker 1: often portrayed incorrectly as like this juiced out, muscle bound
• 36:45
  Speaker 1: thug idiot. And that's why in the Batman and Robin movie,
• 36:49
  Speaker 1: which is the fourth of the original run where it
• 36:52
  Speaker 1: was George Clooney as Batman and Chris o'donald as Robin,
• 36:55
  Speaker 1: he was portrayed by Jeep Swinston as a professional wrestler.
• 36:58
  Speaker 1: And if you please do me a favorite and google
• 37:00
  Speaker 1: Jeep Swinson, he is the biggest man who has ever lived,
• 37:03
  Speaker 1: and I don't I don't mean like the tallest. I mean,
• 37:07
  Speaker 1: if you want to talk about just using steroids to
• 37:10
  Speaker 1: put on muscle massy jeeps, Swinson must have weighed five
• 37:13
  Speaker 1: hundred pounds and he was a pro wrestler, but he
• 37:16
  Speaker 1: couldn't wrestle, like he could barely fucking.
• 37:18
  Speaker 2: Move because he was so big.
• 37:20
  Speaker 1: But he was just he was so fucking big that
• 37:22
  Speaker 1: people would book him, but he couldn't do anything. He'd
• 37:25
  Speaker 1: be out of breath running the ropes one time, so
• 37:29
  Speaker 1: he was awful. And then he died like right after
• 37:31
  Speaker 1: Batman and Robin because shocker, like your heart can't take that,
• 37:35
  Speaker 1: and his heart basically exploded. And you know, even in
• 37:39
  Speaker 1: like the Batman video games, which are excellent, and the
• 37:41
  Speaker 1: first Batman video game, Arkham Asylum, like the Modern Era
• 37:46
  Speaker 1: Asylum franchise, he's portrayed as this like huge, jacked out
• 37:51
  Speaker 1: sort of like idiot who charges at you like a
• 37:54
  Speaker 1: wild boar. But really the best way to portray Bane
• 37:58
  Speaker 1: as sort of like, yeah, he's sure, he takes venom,
• 38:02
  Speaker 1: and he's muscular and he's huge, but he's also very intelligent.
• 38:07
  Speaker 1: And the thing that's so great about Baine which we'll
• 38:10
  Speaker 1: get into later so I don't want to spoil it
• 38:12
  Speaker 1: too much. Is like the Joker finally showed Batman a
• 38:17
  Speaker 1: criminal that was as dedicated as incorruptible to his own
• 38:21
  Speaker 1: cause as he was. But the Joker, like nobody throughout
• 38:25
  Speaker 1: this entire series could ever beat Batman in a fight
• 38:28
  Speaker 1: like raj Algoul like almost kind of did, which is dumb,
• 38:32
  Speaker 1: but nobody could one on one, Like people could get
• 38:35
  Speaker 1: the best at Batman or maybe outsmart him or catch
• 38:38
  Speaker 1: him in a corner, but one on one, nobody can
• 38:40
  Speaker 1: just beat up Batman. Yeah, and this was introducing for
• 38:43
  Speaker 1: the first time this guy can just straight up beat up.
• 38:47
  Speaker 2: Even if he had no agenda, he could just beat you.
• 38:49
  Speaker 1: Yes, and like in a fist fight in the batsuit
• 38:53
  Speaker 1: with your gadgets, he can beat you up.
• 38:54
  Speaker 2: Which was truly this. Like again, I think it shows
• 38:57
  Speaker 2: the creative teams intelligence to pick him, because a great,
• 39:02
  Speaker 2: obviously nerd Batman pick. But also like for this third
• 39:06
  Speaker 2: movie in this series, where you have like this ultimate
• 39:09
  Speaker 2: villain with the Joker, what do you go with? Like
• 39:12
  Speaker 2: because there was many rumors of this, like people can
• 39:14
  Speaker 2: the Riddler. I'm like the Riddler and the Nolan universe
• 39:16
  Speaker 2: would be Diet Joker. It wouldn't be worth it. So
• 39:19
  Speaker 2: many other villains would just not be worth their time,
• 39:21
  Speaker 2: like it was the only way to go.
• 39:23
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and there's this famous storyline where I can't remember,
• 39:26
  Speaker 1: it's like broke the bat, but it's it's this iconic
• 39:32
  Speaker 1: yeah nightfall, Yeah, that's what you were talking about. But
• 39:35
  Speaker 1: it's like when Bain broke the Bat. And there's this
• 39:40
  Speaker 1: very very famous excuse me, a comic book moment and
• 39:43
  Speaker 1: illustration where Baine in the nineties in the comics like
• 39:49
  Speaker 1: broke Batman's spine with a pro wrestling move called the backbreaker,
• 39:54
  Speaker 1: and it was this like pivotal moment in the lore
• 39:57
  Speaker 1: of Batman. So that's what they were kind of kind
• 40:00
  Speaker 1: of go with for this movie, which I think is
• 40:04
  Speaker 1: very smart. But they did go their own way with Baine.
• 40:07
  Speaker 1: And the way that they designed Tom Hardy is he
• 40:09
  Speaker 1: had a shaved head and a mask. So Baine in
• 40:11
  Speaker 1: the comics kind of as like almost like a lucidor.
• 40:14
  Speaker 2: Mask very much so, very much so.
• 40:16
  Speaker 1: Even though it's Brazilian and on Mexican, but in this movie,
• 40:18
  Speaker 1: it was more like most of his his eyes were
• 40:22
  Speaker 1: exposed and his head was exposed, but his mouth and
• 40:25
  Speaker 1: nose wasn't, and it almost like helped him breathe.
• 40:27
  Speaker 2: It looked like so it was meant to in the movie.
• 40:29
  Speaker 2: They explained it's a it is a essentially a pain
• 40:32
  Speaker 2: relieving suppressant. Whatever he was exposed to, which they explained
• 40:36
  Speaker 2: later was suppressant. I love that when you read about
• 40:42
  Speaker 2: or there's a great I mentioned it before about this.
• 40:45
  Speaker 2: There's a great documentary on YouTube are made by the
• 40:48
  Speaker 2: people who made these movies about the Dark Knight trilogy,
• 40:52
  Speaker 2: and there's also great books about it too. But their
• 40:54
  Speaker 2: inspiration I thought was so cool. And if you look
• 40:56
  Speaker 2: at that mask, it's so right. Was hr Geeger, who
• 40:58
  Speaker 2: designed the alien. Yeah, like just the wires and stuff.
• 41:01
  Speaker 2: I'm like, such a great because I thought christ Roland
• 41:03
  Speaker 2: said it so well in this like I think that
• 41:05
  Speaker 2: I forget the line is called, but he like, if
• 41:07
  Speaker 2: you he was like when I saw that mask individually,
• 41:11
  Speaker 2: not in a person's face, when the cosmics, I was like,
• 41:13
  Speaker 2: we're thinking of this. He was like, I could find
• 41:16
  Speaker 2: any voice that would work out of it. It's like
• 41:18
  Speaker 2: and that was the point. It was like, whatever this
• 41:21
  Speaker 2: actor you hired, you brought onto they could do something
• 41:24
  Speaker 2: with it. But the whole thing is fascinating is I'm
• 41:27
  Speaker 2: curious they've never mentioned the names. So many actors, especially
• 41:31
  Speaker 2: after The Dark Knight turned this down because they're like,
• 41:34
  Speaker 2: you can't, I can't do this, I could, you know,
• 41:36
  Speaker 2: they don't. They don't mention anybody, Like they asked so
• 41:38
  Speaker 2: many people and they were like no, Like unless you
• 41:40
  Speaker 2: can see him, can't he take it off during the movie,
• 41:42
  Speaker 2: Like can it just be like a breathing apparatus? He
• 41:44
  Speaker 2: does for a moment, for a moment, but it's just like.
• 41:47
  Speaker 1: Yeah, And that's like in Judge Dread, curl Urban was
• 41:51
  Speaker 1: talking about how like the whole point of the comics
• 41:53
  Speaker 1: is they never would show his entire face, and then
• 41:56
  Speaker 1: the Sevestera salon Judge.
• 41:57
  Speaker 2: Dredd, he was like, yeah, immediately take this off.
• 41:59
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you're gonna show me if they long of time.
• 42:01
  Speaker 2: What's so awesome about is like the mask retains and
• 42:03
  Speaker 2: also Hardy, in addition to doing weird voices, became a
• 42:07
  Speaker 2: very famous like Dunkirk, he's wearing the breathing mask the
• 42:11
  Speaker 2: entire time. In Mad Max. For most of the movie,
• 42:13
  Speaker 2: he's wearing the facial.
• 42:14
  Speaker 1: Covering, and he does even in the what's the movie
• 42:17
  Speaker 1: where replaced the identical twins the Craigs.
• 42:19
  Speaker 2: Ummm, that's a great I really never saw that. But
• 42:23
  Speaker 2: he does like a lot of weird voices too that
• 42:25
  Speaker 2: I could do.
• 42:25
  Speaker 1: And he Bronson so famously like Bronson, which is there's
• 42:29
  Speaker 1: a British inmate name who was arrested and like legally
• 42:34
  Speaker 1: changed his name to Charles Bronson because he liked the
• 42:36
  Speaker 1: actor Charles Bronson and then gotten a million prison fights
• 42:39
  Speaker 1: and a million so he was he was known as
• 42:42
  Speaker 1: the UK's most notorious prisoner and they made a movie
• 42:44
  Speaker 1: about him and Tom Hardy plays him and like rumor
• 42:48
  Speaker 1: was that movie? He is what they were like, this
• 42:51
  Speaker 1: guy should be bane.
• 42:53
  Speaker 2: He was great in that.
• 42:55
  Speaker 1: But I also think it's very important where you could
• 42:58
  Speaker 1: do nowadays, like everybody's sure I did for superhero movies,
• 43:02
  Speaker 1: like villains are always shredded. So Tom Hardy, they were like,
• 43:05
  Speaker 1: you're a powerlifter. Powerlifters are not shredded. Bodybuilders are shredded.
• 43:10
  Speaker 1: But if you look at the world's strongest man, all
• 43:12
  Speaker 1: the world strongest men for the.
• 43:14
  Speaker 2: Most part are like fat. Yeah.
• 43:15
  Speaker 1: So Shannon was watching the movie with me, and one
• 43:18
  Speaker 1: of the scenes where he's wearing a coat, Shannon goes, oh,
• 43:20
  Speaker 1: he's like really fat, And I thought that was so
• 43:23
  Speaker 1: funny because it's like you don't understand like the context
• 43:26
  Speaker 1: of this because she just walked in the room. But
• 43:28
  Speaker 1: he just ate and ate and ate and just like powerlifted,
• 43:32
  Speaker 1: so he's just beefy. He's just thick, like you could
• 43:36
  Speaker 1: run him in full speed and fall and you would
• 43:38
  Speaker 1: bounce off of him.
• 43:39
  Speaker 2: It was such a great design move, like you said, like,
• 43:44
  Speaker 2: not have him be so ripped. It was like functional
• 43:48
  Speaker 2: strength because again he's a smart dude. It was not
• 43:50
  Speaker 2: like I need to be a brick shiit house, but
• 43:52
  Speaker 2: you can't move. This is like I can move, and
• 43:55
  Speaker 2: I can fucking hurt you as hard as I can,
• 43:57
  Speaker 2: which is great because it Batman begins the whole fighting
• 44:00
  Speaker 2: style was I need to hurt you as hard as
• 44:03
  Speaker 2: I can, as quick as possible. And Bain's whole fight
• 44:07
  Speaker 2: later is not super quick, not really super martial arts
• 44:12
  Speaker 2: is just every time I hate you, this is gonna
• 44:14
  Speaker 2: be awful for you.
• 44:15
  Speaker 1: There's two terms and powerlifting and bodybuilding. One is beach muscles,
• 44:20
  Speaker 1: whereas you look really good but you're not strong, and
• 44:23
  Speaker 1: the other one is a power belly, whereas like anybody
• 44:26
  Speaker 1: who's really strong, you have to be a little fat.
• 44:29
  Speaker 2: Like if you were to take the strongest bodybuilders in.
• 44:31
  Speaker 1: The world who have six pack abs and you've told
• 44:34
  Speaker 1: them deadlift as much as you can, they would always
• 44:37
  Speaker 1: lose out to the fat powerlifters. So Bains look was
• 44:40
  Speaker 1: like I can deadlift six hundred pounds or more. And
• 44:46
  Speaker 1: also for his fighting style, he trained krawd maga, which
• 44:50
  Speaker 1: is the Israeli military's martial art. But krawd maga is
• 44:53
  Speaker 1: not like you know, with boxing, you could wear someone
• 44:55
  Speaker 1: down with your jab krawd over the series of like
• 44:59
  Speaker 1: an hour is do one move that ends the fight?
• 45:03
  Speaker 2: Yes, I need to be done with this.
• 45:04
  Speaker 1: Yeah, So krav maga is like, you know, do one
• 45:08
  Speaker 1: move where you grab the back of the guy's head
• 45:10
  Speaker 1: and you shove him forward while simultaneously blasting your knee
• 45:15
  Speaker 1: upwards and you shatter his nose and knock him unconscious,
• 45:18
  Speaker 1: like one sudden move that ends the fight immediately, And
• 45:22
  Speaker 1: like that's how Bain fights.
• 45:24
  Speaker 2: Yes, And it's it's so effective, it's it works so well,
• 45:27
  Speaker 2: it's so.
• 45:28
  Speaker 1: So I obviously loved his portrayal of Baine. I thought
• 45:33
  Speaker 1: it was like, because you can't really be better than
• 45:36
  Speaker 1: the Joker as a character.
• 45:37
  Speaker 2: Like it's.
• 45:40
  Speaker 1: Like Keith Ledger did as good of a job as
• 45:41
  Speaker 1: you possibly can. But I wouldn't say he's like better
• 45:44
  Speaker 1: than the character of the Joker. Like I thought Tom
• 45:46
  Speaker 1: Hardy's been I'm gonna transition to something else. But what
• 45:50
  Speaker 1: what were you going to say? Say the mistake is
• 45:53
  Speaker 1: to try to beat someone else. Yeah, just be this
• 45:56
  Speaker 1: person the best of your case. That's why I love
• 45:57
  Speaker 1: where like they let Tom Hardy go loose the voice.
• 46:00
  Speaker 1: I'm like, that's what you know, Like you let you know,
• 46:04
  Speaker 1: Ledger go loose with the Joker. Let this guy go
• 46:06
  Speaker 1: loose with that Tom Tom Tom cut channel jeep here.
• 46:11
  Speaker 2: You know, we all you know, we all remember Jeeps.
• 46:13
  Speaker 2: He's like, who who is this guy? But no, this
• 46:19
  Speaker 2: this bizarrely say what you want to what happens narratively.
• 46:24
  Speaker 2: This is the movie's biggest success is how they made
• 46:26
  Speaker 2: their main villain not as pop culturally successful, but pretty
• 46:31
  Speaker 2: damn close.
• 46:33
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and so I know we're supposed to talk about
• 46:36
  Speaker 1: the opening scene of this movie, but.
• 46:38
  Speaker 2: But this is important. It's a really important part of this.
• 46:40
  Speaker 2: It really is.
• 46:41
  Speaker 1: So I'm gonna put this or one of them as
• 46:43
  Speaker 1: the picture for this episode. When this movie came out
• 46:46
  Speaker 1: in twenty twelve, I was, you know, I'm single, like
• 46:51
  Speaker 1: I'm not as I don't care as much about my
• 46:54
  Speaker 1: job as I do now. I was working like a
• 46:56
  Speaker 1: lower level job, and I was just so focused on sure,
• 47:01
  Speaker 1: I know, right, I am wearing my company swag, I'm
• 47:03
  Speaker 1: drinking out of But I was, so I've always been.
• 47:07
  Speaker 1: I've talked about it on the pod how I've always
• 47:08
  Speaker 1: been like kind of peripherally into like bodybuilding and powerlifting.
• 47:13
  Speaker 1: I just find the community fascinating and things about it fascinating.
• 47:16
  Speaker 1: And during COVID I got really into powerlifting, and then
• 47:21
  Speaker 1: you know, it really stams kind of from my love
• 47:24
  Speaker 1: of pro wrestling because a lot of that was like
• 47:26
  Speaker 1: bodybuilders and powerlifters who were on.
• 47:28
  Speaker 2: Steroids, similar builds to Ban.
• 47:30
  Speaker 1: Yeah, like Warlord is Bane truth, Warlord like literally is
• 47:34
  Speaker 1: ban Anyways, So, uh, I was I just lost my
• 47:41
  Speaker 1: train of thought.
• 47:43
  Speaker 2: You were discussing that you were, oh, yes, yes, yes, okay.
• 47:46
  Speaker 1: So for Halloween that year, Ryan was having a party
• 47:49
  Speaker 1: and Ryan was going as Batman and I decided, no,
• 47:54
  Speaker 1: go ahead.
• 47:55
  Speaker 2: And what we're doing the Adam West Batman and Robin.
• 47:58
  Speaker 2: I wanted to make that clear.
• 47:59
  Speaker 1: Yess, yes, you're doing in the Adam West Batman and Robin,
• 48:01
  Speaker 1: not the Batman. But so I I had already been
• 48:06
  Speaker 1: I eve been like lifting a lot, and I was
• 48:07
  Speaker 1: in good shape at the time. But I was like,
• 48:09
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna be Baane And this movie came out. What
• 48:12
  Speaker 1: month do you know?
• 48:13
  Speaker 2: It was July or twenty twelve.
• 48:15
  Speaker 1: Okay, So in July I decided in three months, I'm
• 48:18
  Speaker 1: gonna be bane. So I was already going to the
• 48:21
  Speaker 1: gym and lifting a lot, and like I was in
• 48:23
  Speaker 1: good shape for me.
• 48:25
  Speaker 2: So I was.
• 48:26
  Speaker 1: I literally decided, like five days a week, I'm going
• 48:30
  Speaker 1: to lift heavy and I'm just gonna eat chicken breast.
• 48:34
  Speaker 1: I was eating like tons and tons of chicken breast
• 48:37
  Speaker 1: and just lifting and having creatine. And then I shaved
• 48:41
  Speaker 1: my head with a razor. I cut all my hair
• 48:43
  Speaker 1: off and I shave my head with a razor. And
• 48:45
  Speaker 1: then I bought like a two hundred dollars Baine mask
• 48:49
  Speaker 1: online because that's the most important thing. And I went
• 48:53
  Speaker 1: as to Ryan's Halloween party as bane for Halloween, and
• 48:57
  Speaker 1: I always again, I'm not talking about like in all humans.
• 49:00
  Speaker 1: I'm talking about for me. I was so fucking jacked
• 49:04
  Speaker 1: and big for me, and I'm gonna I'm gonna post
• 49:07
  Speaker 1: it as the picture, but like it was, it was
• 49:09
  Speaker 1: the It was the best Halloween costume I ever had.
• 49:11
  Speaker 1: And then Ryan said, because I just bought like a
• 49:15
  Speaker 1: flak jacket online from like a you know, an Army
• 49:17
  Speaker 1: Navy surplus website. And Ryan and his friend Mike Maserati
• 49:21
  Speaker 1: are really into designing costumes, well more so Mike than you.
• 49:24
  Speaker 1: But they said, can we make you in a movie
• 49:27
  Speaker 1: accurate ban.
• 49:28
  Speaker 2: To correct this you would call it? Said the one
• 49:30
  Speaker 2: you were getting was not going to come in time
• 49:33
  Speaker 2: because it looked way better. So we were like, if
• 49:37
  Speaker 2: you need one, we will make one for you, and
• 49:38
  Speaker 2: that's we did so.
• 49:40
  Speaker 1: But the way I remember it is that you too
• 49:43
  Speaker 1: had expressed me we really want to make and I said,
• 49:48
  Speaker 1: here's the caveat, like, I really appreciate this, and I
• 49:51
  Speaker 1: love you guys, but if it, if it's not good
• 49:53
  Speaker 1: or it doesn't function, well, I'm not gonna wear it.
• 49:56
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna buy a different one. So please don't feel
• 49:59
  Speaker 1: obligated to make it for me, but you made it
• 50:02
  Speaker 1: for me anyway.
• 50:03
  Speaker 2: We loved we loved doing it, and it looked awesome.
• 50:06
  Speaker 2: It was okay, so it looked it looked like the movie.
• 50:08
  Speaker 1: So then I put it on and immediately pieces started
• 50:12
  Speaker 1: falling off.
• 50:12
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it just wouldn't work.
• 50:13
  Speaker 1: And I was just like, guys, I'm really I felt
• 50:16
  Speaker 1: really bad, and I was like, I can't remember.
• 50:19
  Speaker 2: I think about those days a lot, where like we
• 50:21
  Speaker 2: would make shit all the time and it was so
• 50:24
  Speaker 2: much fun. My god, yeah fuck it. Yeah it's a blast.
• 50:28
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but I didn't care about work or like doing anything.
• 50:31
  Speaker 1: All I did was like I would work maybe forty
• 50:34
  Speaker 1: hours a week, and then I would lift and eat
• 50:36
  Speaker 1: chicken breasts and then like drink and hang out with
• 50:38
  Speaker 1: my friends. And those are my only concerns in life.
• 50:40
  Speaker 1: So I was able to get pretty pretty big.
• 50:43
  Speaker 2: It looked great. The best you've got luckily came in time,
• 50:46
  Speaker 2: and it looked way better. Yeah, I agreed. I remember
• 50:48
  Speaker 2: I said the exact same things, like, yep, just the
• 50:50
  Speaker 2: one to go with.
• 50:51
  Speaker 1: I remember I hadn't seen Andy in like a month,
• 50:53
  Speaker 1: and I was wearing a hooded sweatshirt and I met up.
• 50:56
  Speaker 2: With him, and he goes like Jesus Christ.
• 50:59
  Speaker 1: He's like, you gained like twenty pounds in a month.
• 51:02
  Speaker 2: The guy who says the mass man, that's why I'm
• 51:05
  Speaker 2: casting and yes in this entirement because no, no, not
• 51:09
  Speaker 2: in a bad way, because I think like it's just
• 51:11
  Speaker 2: perfect that he's always there. I also just I really
• 51:14
  Speaker 2: don't like how he died.
• 51:14
  Speaker 1: But yeah, yeah, but anyways, so let's describe. So yeah,
• 51:20
  Speaker 1: so then he's revealed it on the plane.
• 51:22
  Speaker 2: Great slow mask pull off. You see the Bain mask
• 51:25
  Speaker 2: looks great, and you also hear like.
• 51:28
  Speaker 1: Like kind of.
• 51:30
  Speaker 2: Which is cool, which is great, it's not too much.
• 51:34
  Speaker 2: But he's like, what does he say? It's just like
• 51:37
  Speaker 2: the no one cared about me before the mask. Yeah,
• 51:42
  Speaker 2: it's like okay, and the guy's like okay, he's like
• 51:48
  Speaker 2: what do you like? What do you want? Like whatever,
• 51:50
  Speaker 2: Aidan Gillen says, it's like it's like, oh, if I
• 51:57
  Speaker 2: take the mask off, do you die? Very prayingful, and
• 52:00
  Speaker 2: he's like, okay for you. It's so funny. Again, this
• 52:05
  Speaker 2: movie is later. It's trust me, people, trust me. Everyone's
• 52:09
  Speaker 2: seen this later. It's way better. The Bain voice is
• 52:13
  Speaker 2: just the funniest ship, but not in a bad way,
• 52:15
  Speaker 2: like the funnest shit ever. But then he's like okay,
• 52:19
  Speaker 2: He's like so he's like, so what do you like?
• 52:21
  Speaker 2: Pretty much? He asked like, how are you getting captured
• 52:24
  Speaker 2: by me if you're this famous guy? And he's like,
• 52:27
  Speaker 2: this was part of our plan. Yeah, it was getting
• 52:32
  Speaker 2: caught part of your plan. And he's like yeah. She's
• 52:36
  Speaker 2: like okay, then like what is he like, what is
• 52:37
  Speaker 2: the next step? When he's like, I love that line
• 52:42
  Speaker 2: so much. It's the fucking insane ship. And they do
• 52:45
  Speaker 2: this whole thing where they there's another plane beside them
• 52:48
  Speaker 2: that shoots into the plane, takes the soldiers out who
• 52:52
  Speaker 2: are with Karkkaddie, she's with Aiden Gillen. Then they come
• 52:58
  Speaker 2: into the plane, they take the doctor who they're already kidnapped.
• 53:02
  Speaker 2: They do a blood transfusion of the doctor with a
• 53:05
  Speaker 2: dead body they have.
• 53:06
  Speaker 1: Yeah, they're putting the doctors the living doctor's blood into
• 53:09
  Speaker 1: the dead body's blood.
• 53:12
  Speaker 2: I believe that could be on the dead body. Is
• 53:13
  Speaker 2: the production designer Nathan Crowley, who's amazing, And they're doing that.
• 53:21
  Speaker 2: While they're doing this, they're like cutting the plane around it.
• 53:25
  Speaker 1: Well, so it's more like that they a bigger plane
• 53:29
  Speaker 1: flies on top of attached to it. Got you.
• 53:31
  Speaker 2: A bigger plane.
• 53:32
  Speaker 1: Flies on top of the little plane, hooks onto it,
• 53:36
  Speaker 1: and then this causes the little plane where everybody's inside
• 53:39
  Speaker 1: of to sort of like flip, and then the ring
• 53:42
  Speaker 1: the wings rip off naturally as a result of down.
• 53:46
  Speaker 2: Yeah. All this is again practical, which is fucking unbelievable. Unbelievable.
• 53:51
  Speaker 2: It looks so good, and they're like doing this blood
• 53:54
  Speaker 2: transfusion mid air and they're getting a mighty to like
• 54:00
  Speaker 2: board this new plane.
• 54:02
  Speaker 1: Are you just gonna talk about when that like they're leaving.
• 54:06
  Speaker 1: This is like because this really gives you an idea
• 54:09
  Speaker 1: of like who Baine is working with. So all of
• 54:12
  Speaker 1: Bain's guys, they kill all the CIA guys. They're there
• 54:16
  Speaker 1: this plane that's like dangling in the sky from the
• 54:19
  Speaker 1: larger plane, they're all they they're gonna crash it. So
• 54:22
  Speaker 1: they're all climbing out, and one of Bain's goons is
• 54:25
  Speaker 1: going to climb out with him, and Bane looks at
• 54:27
  Speaker 1: him and goes, no, brother, they expect to find one
• 54:31
  Speaker 1: of us in the records. And then the guy goes like,
• 54:34
  Speaker 1: oh right, yeah, that's fine, and he just smiles and
• 54:37
  Speaker 1: like buckles into his seat to die.
• 54:41
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 54:42
  Speaker 1: And then I noticed another thing like Brad Pitt was
• 54:44
  Speaker 1: talking about doing an Irish accent and because he played
• 54:48
  Speaker 1: one Punch Miky O Tool and Snatch who is also
• 54:51
  Speaker 1: a traveler like gypsy background, and he said, like, you
• 54:56
  Speaker 1: know the thing you say I'm going to the store
• 54:59
  Speaker 1: and you you end on a low note, I'm going
• 55:00
  Speaker 1: to the store, store is lower. But if you're you know,
• 55:04
  Speaker 1: an Irish guy or a traveler, you go, I'm going
• 55:07
  Speaker 1: to the star and it goes up. Okay, So I
• 55:09
  Speaker 1: noticed that Bain unpredictably goes up and down. So if
• 55:13
  Speaker 1: you were saying like you are mistaken Batman, soon you
• 55:17
  Speaker 1: will die, So instead of going like down down or
• 55:20
  Speaker 1: up up, he goes like you are mistroken about man.
• 55:24
  Speaker 2: Soon you will die.
• 55:25
  Speaker 1: And it's like, what isn't the the unbreakability of like
• 55:29
  Speaker 1: where his you know what I mean, It's just weird.
• 55:31
  Speaker 2: There are two back to back speeches later that are
• 55:33
  Speaker 2: just the best ship you could ever see him. Yeah,
• 55:36
  Speaker 2: that are just him just like the way he pronounces
• 55:38
  Speaker 2: it is just like this is insane and it's amazing.
• 55:41
  Speaker 2: I love it. I love every minute of it. Yeah,
• 55:43
  Speaker 2: me too, me too. So it was actually this one
• 55:47
  Speaker 2: of this soone when he's like he was like, oh
• 55:50
  Speaker 2: what was the next up? And you're playing garaging this plane.
• 55:53
  Speaker 2: Then he goes and I was like, are we a musical?
• 55:56
  Speaker 2: We're gonna start singing a song. James Brown dances the
• 56:03
  Speaker 2: gunshots away. So we go back to the Harvey dent
• 56:10
  Speaker 2: Day's speech. It's taking place at Wayne mannor it's eight
• 56:13
  Speaker 2: years after the Dark Knight, and so they reveal this.
• 56:16
  Speaker 2: So what do you think of the time gap? I
• 56:17
  Speaker 2: was curious about how you felt about that? Indifferent? Is
• 56:22
  Speaker 2: that their way to like truly pace like the audience
• 56:26
  Speaker 2: away from the Heath Ledger experience it could have been.
• 56:30
  Speaker 1: I mean, based on what happened with Heath Ledger, I
• 56:34
  Speaker 1: think that that dictated how they were to handle.
• 56:36
  Speaker 2: I think this entire movie. Yeah, this entire story of
• 56:40
  Speaker 2: this movie is Yeah.
• 56:42
  Speaker 1: I think it dictated the Yeah, and they wanted bat
• 56:45
  Speaker 1: like Batman has been retired, Well, how long has it
• 56:48
  Speaker 1: been retired? Well, he's been retired eight years and he
• 56:51
  Speaker 1: is a cane now.
• 56:54
  Speaker 3: Yeah, a Singapore cane e c w E c be
• 57:00
  Speaker 3: amazing Tommy Dreamer comes out.
• 57:03
  Speaker 1: But yeah, this is so this is at Wayne Manner,
• 57:07
  Speaker 1: which has been rebuilt piece by piece as Bruce promised
• 57:11
  Speaker 1: it would be, and Batman begins.
• 57:12
  Speaker 2: That's very true. It's a very good point.
• 57:14
  Speaker 1: So it's been nine years since Batman begins, roughly ten years,
• 57:18
  Speaker 1: and now it's it's rebuilt piece by piece and it's
• 57:22
  Speaker 1: a new holiday. And Gotham called Harvey excuse me, Harvey Dentek.
• 57:28
  Speaker 2: So the idea is that, like, because of Harvey Dent's
• 57:35
  Speaker 2: sacrifice in terms of the public knowledge of it, crime
• 57:38
  Speaker 2: has lessons significantly. And they have Gordon, as we said earlier,
• 57:43
  Speaker 2: get have to get a speech and Gordon looks very hesitant,
• 57:47
  Speaker 2: and he has like fifteen pages he's gonna read and
• 57:51
  Speaker 2: he decides to fold up and not read that.
• 57:55
  Speaker 1: I read on IMDb trivia that Gordon was originally in
• 57:58
  Speaker 1: this movie. It was gonna be played like Gordon from
• 58:00
  Speaker 1: Sesame Street, you know, like Gordon and Louise.
• 58:03
  Speaker 2: Honestly, yeah, party for I need to be true, the
• 58:06
  Speaker 2: party True.
• 58:07
  Speaker 1: I would be fine with that.
• 58:08
  Speaker 2: Do you know? He was actually gonna turn into Man
• 58:09
  Speaker 2: bat during the speech. That was their plan. So I
• 58:17
  Speaker 2: love this movie. A lot, and we've talked about this
• 58:20
  Speaker 2: Coolbody's nervefic Corner.
• 58:21
  Speaker 1: General Leary said, stop saying Polebody's nervefict and I said,
• 58:25
  Speaker 1: I'm not saying it in conversation. It's a segment. Polebody's
• 58:28
  Speaker 1: nervefct Corner is a segment.
• 58:30
  Speaker 2: I said it a lot through The Dark Knights issues.
• 58:32
  Speaker 1: Right, It's like, if you're watching uh fuck, what is it?
• 58:38
  Speaker 1: Tony Cornheiser and Michael Wilbon, pardon my If you're watching
• 58:43
  Speaker 1: pt I, Okay, they're gonna say PTI a whole bunch
• 58:46
  Speaker 1: of times. That's the name of the fucking show.
• 58:49
  Speaker 2: Pe podcast the interruption.
• 58:51
  Speaker 1: Pardon the interruption.
• 58:52
  Speaker 2: Oh sorry. So Gordon's about to give his speech and
• 58:59
  Speaker 2: talks about like Harvey Dent like saved his life and
• 59:03
  Speaker 2: saved his son, which is not the truth, and that
• 59:06
  Speaker 2: is the opposite. This does something that you and I
• 59:08
  Speaker 2: talked about that we both don't like because it cuts
• 59:10
  Speaker 2: two footage of like The Dark Knight when Dentes losing it. Yes,
• 59:15
  Speaker 2: this is The Dark Knight is one of the most
• 59:19
  Speaker 2: party watched movies ever. Yes, I get narratively, why you
• 59:24
  Speaker 2: do it? You want to keep get a flash reminder
• 59:27
  Speaker 2: when you say it, though I know you're lying. I'm
• 59:30
  Speaker 2: a viewer. I've seen the last movie. I know the
• 59:33
  Speaker 2: whole point of the scene is to be like you
• 59:35
  Speaker 2: are lying, like you've kept this lie for the good
• 59:38
  Speaker 2: that has been delivered. I get that, and I just
• 59:41
  Speaker 2: that visual motif I find so frustrating. I really do.
• 59:47
  Speaker 1: I absolutely agree. I hate this moment for many reasons.
• 59:49
  Speaker 1: Number one that I think you're totally right there drives
• 59:52
  Speaker 1: me insane. Number two, well, actually, side note, everybody on
• 59:55
  Speaker 1: Earth has seen The Dark.
• 59:56
  Speaker 2: Knight, right, why we need to show this again?
• 59:58
  Speaker 1: Right? So last night watching Rises, and Shannon came in
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 1: the room and was like, Hey, I'm gonna go to bed,
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 1: but I'm just gonna like eat something and hang out
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 1: and watch this with you for twenty five minutes.
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 2: And I was like, okay, fine.
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 1: And she was watching it and like asking me questions
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 1: and and she was like, wait, who's Joseph Gordon Levitt?
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 2: And I said, well, you you remember Dark Knight?
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 1: Right? She's like, oh, is that the one with Heith
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 1: f Ledger And I go yeah.
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 2: She goes, no, I never saw it, wow.
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 1: And I was like, you've never seen the Dark Knight
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 1: with Youth, Fledger, no no interest. So then I got
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 1: the divorce papers this morning. Wow, yeah, I haven't broken.
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 1: I'm not, but uh no. So that's one reason why
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 1: I hate it. Number two is like Gordon, this is
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 1: just so unrealistic and cheesy. So he's giving the speech
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 1: at Harvey Dent Day and it's like a fundraiser Awayne
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 1: Manner for Harvey Dent and he pulls out this piece
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 1: of paper, this speech, and it's like Harvey Dent was
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 1: bad and he tried to kill my son and Batman
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 1: was the real good guy. Like that's what his speech says.
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 1: And he's like about to read it, and he's like,
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 1: maybe I shouldn't. And I thought, okay, don't write a
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 1: speech for your friend's wedding about how your friend cheated
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 1: on his wife and then get up there and pull
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 1: it out and stare at it and then decide not
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 1: to do it, Like you should have already figured out
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 1: your decision before that point.
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 2: But agreed. But I also think too, like, which is
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 2: a lot of things in this movie like, and I
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 2: truly love this movie. A lot of it feels like
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 2: there was just so much fucking plot in this movie
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 2: that you can't thematically get the emotions out of what
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 2: it's trying to say or what it's trying to even
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 2: do not say yeah, but like like I at this moment,
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 2: I was like, oh, wow, he's supposed to drop a
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 2: bomb and be like, you know what, even though it's
• 1:01:47
  Speaker 2: been eight years of quote unquote peace, I can't live
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 2: with this because we truly did something wrong. We just
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 2: didn't We didn't express the truth that we were protecting
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 2: in the in the last movie.
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 1: But that I think that's when keeping it really goes wrong.
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 1: That's like, that's like when Rorshack, Like when the world
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 1: is finally at peace and Rorshack wants to reveal it's
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 1: a lie and Doctor Manhattan kills him.
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 2: It's like, why do that?
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 1: That's just selfish, that's for your own conscience to be like,
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 1: I did the right thing. Meanwhile, you just ruined the
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 1: whole city.
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 2: But I'm not surprised that it rots away at somebody.
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 2: I'm not surprised that it's a character move. I'm not
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 2: surprised that it, like for someone who is seen is
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 2: so idealistic in the world that it was so bad.
• 1:02:30
  Speaker 2: I'm not shocked by that.
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 1: And I will say, we'll get into it more in
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 1: detail later, but another reason I hate this moment is
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 1: because it reveals that Batman is retired.
• 1:02:41
  Speaker 2: He retired. He retired eight years ago. The fundamental flaw
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 2: of but this movie.
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 1: Is this, Yes, but I will say so Paul hated
• 1:02:51
  Speaker 1: this movie and it was like this whole movie was,
• 1:02:56
  Speaker 1: you know, a rotten apple spoils the bunch, and I
• 1:02:59
  Speaker 1: think that that's like what happened with Paul with the
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 1: concept of this, and it is not Batman. Batman would
• 1:03:06
  Speaker 1: not quit being Batman because he had a crush on
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 1: a girl who died. However, I went into this movie
• 1:03:14
  Speaker 1: being like, so I knew Dark Knight is my second
• 1:03:16
  Speaker 1: favorite movie of all time. I went into Begins and
• 1:03:18
  Speaker 1: I was like, I don't think Begins is that great.
• 1:03:21
  Speaker 1: I remember it being like solid, but it's not legendary epic.
• 1:03:25
  Speaker 1: And then I rewatched it for this pod and I
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 1: was like, holy shit, I can't I can't believe how
• 1:03:30
  Speaker 1: I can't believe.
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 2: How good this is.
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 1: I felt even more so.
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 2: For the Dark Knight Rises.
• 1:03:37
  Speaker 1: I went into it like Paul hated this A lot
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 1: of people had it was very flawed because of the.
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 2: Pod of Batman.
• 1:03:45
  Speaker 1: I don't know how much I'm gonna like this. I
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 1: haven't watched this in a long time. Maybe it's just
• 1:03:49
  Speaker 1: good because of Bane, like that's what the criticism was was, Well, really,
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 1: this trilogy is just good because of the villains, you know,
• 1:03:56
  Speaker 1: like like Batman was never the strength of this trilogy.
• 1:04:01
  Speaker 1: Having rewatched this trilogy, I don't agree with that Batman
• 1:04:05
  Speaker 1: was the strength of this trilogy in a lot of ways.
• 1:04:08
  Speaker 1: And I love this movie. I love it, and I
• 1:04:13
  Speaker 1: understand like this is for me. This is not the
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 1: comics like I love. Forget about Paul.
• 1:04:19
  Speaker 2: For a second. Other than Paul. Is there anybody other
• 1:04:22
  Speaker 2: than Paul in.
• 1:04:22
  Speaker 1: Your life that you know who loves Batman as much
• 1:04:24
  Speaker 1: as me?
• 1:04:25
  Speaker 2: No? I love Batman.
• 1:04:27
  Speaker 1: I said, He's the most important fictional character of my life.
• 1:04:31
  Speaker 1: This story, these three movies, it's not the comic book Batman.
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 2: It's just like this really really good.
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 1: Storyteller director is making three Batman movies and this is
• 1:04:43
  Speaker 1: his version of telling the story, much like a lot
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 1: of different comic book writers write different.
• 1:04:48
  Speaker 2: Versions of Batman.
• 1:04:51
  Speaker 1: I think for what Christopher Nolan was doing for this Batman,
• 1:04:57
  Speaker 1: I just I really do think I could be proven
• 1:05:02
  Speaker 1: wrong because I haven't. I haven't explored all the caverns
• 1:05:05
  Speaker 1: of my brain. I think this is the greatest trilogy
• 1:05:08
  Speaker 1: of all time?
• 1:05:09
  Speaker 2: What is it?
• 1:05:10
  Speaker 1: What is a better trilogy than this? And I know
• 1:05:15
  Speaker 1: that I said Toy Story is the greatest franchise of
• 1:05:17
  Speaker 1: all time, which I stick by because there's five of them.
• 1:05:20
  Speaker 1: But Toy Story one and two are like the worst
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 1: toy stories. So the Dark Knight trilogy is better than
• 1:05:27
  Speaker 1: Story Story one, two, and three? What trilogy is better
• 1:05:31
  Speaker 1: than this trilogy?
• 1:05:32
  Speaker 2: Don't have anything beyond three?
• 1:05:34
  Speaker 1: Well let's say, Okay, I'll put it this way. They
• 1:05:37
  Speaker 1: do have stuff beyond three, but we can only compare
• 1:05:40
  Speaker 1: one to three.
• 1:05:43
  Speaker 2: You have to go it on top. Like Toy Story,
• 1:05:46
  Speaker 2: I'm sorry.
• 1:05:47
  Speaker 1: Like no, no way, no way. Toy Story one and
• 1:05:49
  Speaker 1: two are.
• 1:05:50
  Speaker 2: Are comparing like Dark Knights. The Story Story two is
• 1:05:54
  Speaker 2: one thing.
• 1:05:54
  Speaker 1: But like no but I strong I firmly believe the
• 1:05:57
  Speaker 1: Toy Story one and two are worse than any of
• 1:05:58
  Speaker 1: these movies. Toy Story three, that's a different that's a
• 1:06:03
  Speaker 1: different ballgame. But I know I think no way, So okay, fine,
• 1:06:07
  Speaker 1: other we can disagree with on that. Other than Toy Story,
• 1:06:10
  Speaker 1: name of a trilogy where the one, two, and three, I.
• 1:06:13
  Speaker 2: Can't believe you did, and I can't believe you and
• 1:06:15
  Speaker 2: Ben didn't call in for Blade Trinity, the movie you
• 1:06:18
  Speaker 2: both liked, which that was insane, is pretty bad. It's
• 1:06:22
  Speaker 2: pretty horrendous. Hannibal is good, the horrendous.
• 1:06:26
  Speaker 1: What's it like Diehard Trilogy one, two, three?
• 1:06:30
  Speaker 2: That would be up there?
• 1:06:31
  Speaker 1: But again, Alien, no, Alien, this is better than to me,
• 1:06:35
  Speaker 1: this trilogy is better than the Diehard trilogy. This is
• 1:06:37
  Speaker 1: better than the Alien trilogy. This is better than Toy
• 1:06:40
  Speaker 1: Story one, two and three.
• 1:06:41
  Speaker 2: But none of that you think is like your love
• 1:06:43
  Speaker 2: of Batman bias, not like the quality of what you've.
• 1:06:45
  Speaker 1: But tell me, tell me, tell me a franchise.
• 1:06:48
  Speaker 2: So like, do you think Diehard's better than that agains?
• 1:06:51
  Speaker 1: Yes, I think Direhard one is better than Batman begins.
• 1:06:55
  Speaker 2: I will answer this question. Dire two is not as
• 1:06:57
  Speaker 2: good as The Dark Knight Dire two. No.
• 1:06:59
  Speaker 1: But I'm I'm not saying, Okay, this is let me
• 1:07:02
  Speaker 1: let me, let me put it this way. I'm not
• 1:07:04
  Speaker 1: saying when you're comparing a trilogy versus trilogy, it doesn't
• 1:07:08
  Speaker 1: have to be It doesn't have to be one v
• 1:07:10
  Speaker 1: one two v two V. I would say, like, like,
• 1:07:13
  Speaker 1: let's say if if if if one is a ninety
• 1:07:17
  Speaker 1: and two is an eighty, and then three is a ninety,
• 1:07:21
  Speaker 1: then the total score for that franchise is two seventy.
• 1:07:24
  Speaker 1: Let's say, right for the there two sixty. They do
• 1:07:27
  Speaker 1: that math throw.
• 1:07:29
  Speaker 2: You're the way wrong person.
• 1:07:31
  Speaker 1: Okay, So let's say let's say the total trilogy score
• 1:07:33
  Speaker 1: is two sixty. You're taking the three movies and you're doing.
• 1:07:36
  Speaker 2: What each one is an individual score? Right? Yeah?
• 1:07:40
  Speaker 1: Like like overall for the first three movies, Yeah, how
• 1:07:43
  Speaker 1: good are those three? Like? For example, spider Man one awesome,
• 1:07:48
  Speaker 1: spider Man two even better, spider Man three sucks. So
• 1:07:53
  Speaker 1: I'm not saying you do like spider Man one versus
• 1:07:55
  Speaker 1: Batman begins, spider Man two versus The Dark Knight.
• 1:07:57
  Speaker 2: I'm saying as a.
• 1:07:58
  Speaker 1: Trilogy as a whole, which is better the whole object?
• 1:08:01
  Speaker 2: What do you think? Yeah? Right?
• 1:08:03
  Speaker 1: I I don't like you're a nerd mark for Alien three,
• 1:08:06
  Speaker 1: which is a very niche.
• 1:08:07
  Speaker 2: But but I would never tell someone like you're wrong
• 1:08:11
  Speaker 2: for thinking that it's flawed. I would never tell someone, right, I.
• 1:08:13
  Speaker 1: Think that I think that like like candidates to beat,
• 1:08:16
  Speaker 1: it would be die hard and I don't. I don't
• 1:08:19
  Speaker 1: think it does. Toy Story. I don't think it does Alien.
• 1:08:22
  Speaker 1: I don't think it does Spider Man. I don't think
• 1:08:24
  Speaker 1: it does at Like, what else would there be?
• 1:08:27
  Speaker 2: I mean, if they're going a whole object like going
• 1:08:29
  Speaker 2: out like it's Toy Story is truly the one to
• 1:08:32
  Speaker 2: be for me personally, it is.
• 1:08:34
  Speaker 1: Like, okay, fair, I disagree because one and two are
• 1:08:37
  Speaker 1: the weakest toy stories I think. But but other than
• 1:08:40
  Speaker 1: the Toy Story, which is a Pixar animated film, so
• 1:08:42
  Speaker 1: it's kind.
• 1:08:43
  Speaker 2: Of hard ahead, kind of hard to compare.
• 1:08:45
  Speaker 1: What else other than the Toy Story.
• 1:08:49
  Speaker 2: Again, it's og Star Wars. No, No, those amazing you
• 1:08:55
  Speaker 2: can't now.
• 1:08:56
  Speaker 1: You you you personally do not like, uh, what is it?
• 1:09:00
  Speaker 2: Return of the Jedi? Return of the Jedi was on
• 1:09:02
  Speaker 2: my ask why anything? Desert Island movie? No, what was
• 1:09:06
  Speaker 2: the one that you like?
• 1:09:06
  Speaker 1: We were giving them letter grades and you gave it
• 1:09:08
  Speaker 1: a bad grade. I gave not a new hope, a
• 1:09:12
  Speaker 1: new hope. Empire Strikes Back is that I gave.
• 1:09:15
  Speaker 2: No. I gave it because it was I think we
• 1:09:17
  Speaker 2: I think Empire Start Back to is the only movie
• 1:09:19
  Speaker 2: on this entire pocket, like an A plus plus? Was that good?
• 1:09:22
  Speaker 2: If Star Wars an A I gave, I think it
• 1:09:24
  Speaker 2: was B or B minus. We can listen to a
• 1:09:27
  Speaker 2: Return of the Jedi because Return of the is not
• 1:09:28
  Speaker 2: as strong, but like it's.
• 1:09:30
  Speaker 1: That's what I'm talking about. The Return of the Jedi
• 1:09:33
  Speaker 1: is what I'm talking about. Yeah, personally, I don't think
• 1:09:36
  Speaker 1: I I it's a matter of opinion. I'm not saying
• 1:09:39
  Speaker 1: that I'm right. I think that this trilogy is way
• 1:09:42
  Speaker 1: better than the original Star Wars trilogy.
• 1:09:45
  Speaker 2: I would much much rather this is. I think the
• 1:09:48
  Speaker 2: original Star Wars trilogy is the best comparison for this
• 1:09:50
  Speaker 2: because both of their two's have transcended movies, and that's
• 1:09:55
  Speaker 2: the that's the only one you can compare. No, Actually,
• 1:09:58
  Speaker 2: I'm sorry. I think Kevin is Ken been walking over
• 1:10:00
  Speaker 2: here right now because Godfather was a very famous part
• 1:10:03
  Speaker 2: of this. But Godfather's Three is just way too low. Yes,
• 1:10:06
  Speaker 2: I like it, but it's way too low. Yes low.
• 1:10:08
  Speaker 1: And also, I will admit, even though I love this movie,
• 1:10:12
  Speaker 1: this movie is amazing. I cry today. Shannon came into
• 1:10:16
  Speaker 1: the living room and she goes, are you crying? And
• 1:10:18
  Speaker 1: I said, I am, And she goes everything Okay, I go, yeah, no.
• 1:10:20
  Speaker 2: That's fine. I just finished like the Dark Knight Rises.
• 1:10:23
  Speaker 2: She's like in your.
• 1:10:23
  Speaker 1: Crying and I said, yes, I have no shame in
• 1:10:26
  Speaker 1: that whatsoever.
• 1:10:27
  Speaker 2: Being lost.
• 1:10:29
  Speaker 1: But no, but no, but like like Godfather three is
• 1:10:32
  Speaker 1: so bad.
• 1:10:33
  Speaker 2: It's exactly it's not like it's the definition of like
• 1:10:37
  Speaker 2: less than ideal but functional. But like this movie is
• 1:10:40
  Speaker 2: like to me, like I'm sounding very negative because here's
• 1:10:43
  Speaker 2: the thing. I've actually seen this one more than any
• 1:10:46
  Speaker 2: of them, of these three movies. This was my put
• 1:10:49
  Speaker 2: on the TV in the background and do anything you
• 1:10:51
  Speaker 2: want for years. I love this movie so much. I
• 1:10:54
  Speaker 2: love it. I think it's amazing Ryan opinion. This is
• 1:10:58
  Speaker 2: a Ryan I'm not to discredit. And three thing, I
• 1:11:01
  Speaker 2: love this movie. The reason I say the Bruce thing
• 1:11:04
  Speaker 2: is a fundamental flaw is not because of just like
• 1:11:09
  Speaker 2: the comic book, as we said before, Paul mentality of
• 1:11:12
  Speaker 2: like it is not Batman, which is true. Batman would
• 1:11:15
  Speaker 2: just be like I will endlessly go with this brother.
• 1:11:16
  Speaker 2: And that's not a wrong thing to say. I am.
• 1:11:19
  Speaker 2: As you've known this entire podcast never been like throw
• 1:11:22
  Speaker 2: the baby out the bathwater with a movie.
• 1:11:24
  Speaker 1: Well and I just think, sorry to interrupt you, but
• 1:11:26
  Speaker 1: I just think Paul's thing is like I would say
• 1:11:28
  Speaker 1: to Paul, Christopher Nolan is not saying this is the
• 1:11:33
  Speaker 1: comic book Batman film. That's not what he's doing. He's like,
• 1:11:39
  Speaker 1: this is what this is the story I'm choosing to tell.
• 1:11:42
  Speaker 2: I watching this movie, especially again I've watched so many times,
• 1:11:44
  Speaker 2: but rewatching it for the first time like five or
• 1:11:46
  Speaker 2: six years. This movie is like Christopher Nolan saying goodbye
• 1:11:50
  Speaker 2: to Batman. That's the whole this is, this whole movie
• 1:11:52
  Speaker 2: is what about? Yes, this is what it is. And
• 1:11:55
  Speaker 2: the Bruce Quitting thing is the toughest thing about it.
• 1:11:59
  Speaker 2: It's not the level of like Last Jedi with Luke Skywalker,
• 1:12:02
  Speaker 2: where where it's set the New World on fire and
• 1:12:04
  Speaker 2: that should never be a sentence of people say, but
• 1:12:09
  Speaker 2: it does Deeppower things later that we'll get to. I
• 1:12:13
  Speaker 2: feel like when he is not because the End of
• 1:12:16
  Speaker 2: the Dark Knight is so powerful where he's like, Okay,
• 1:12:19
  Speaker 2: I'm gonna put my hand, I'm gonna put my fingerprints
• 1:12:21
  Speaker 2: on this crime scene because you need me to do that.
• 1:12:25
  Speaker 2: I have to be this endless person, even though it's
• 1:12:28
  Speaker 2: wrong for him as a human to do that, And
• 1:12:30
  Speaker 2: that's the whole flaw of that character is he gets
• 1:12:32
  Speaker 2: too in the paint all the time sports reference does
• 1:12:35
  Speaker 2: that counters up something here?
• 1:12:37
  Speaker 1: It does, but like some Hawker will come out okay.
• 1:12:42
  Speaker 2: But I love that the end of that movie was
• 1:12:44
  Speaker 2: so much about how like this is now not only
• 1:12:47
  Speaker 2: the future of Bruce but the curse of Bruce. I
• 1:12:50
  Speaker 2: have to be Batman now and him quitting. But I
• 1:12:56
  Speaker 2: love that the movie. Again, I love this movie, and
• 1:12:58
  Speaker 2: I really actually genuine and blown away by the ending
• 1:13:01
  Speaker 2: they give him as a character. I wish more things
• 1:13:03
  Speaker 2: gave just people, just endings and we move on. But
• 1:13:08
  Speaker 2: when the end of that movie is about the not glory,
• 1:13:12
  Speaker 2: but like the idea, like this is how complicated this
• 1:13:16
  Speaker 2: is and someone has to do it and it's him,
• 1:13:20
  Speaker 2: And then the next movie is like, well, you know,
• 1:13:22
  Speaker 2: crime went down slightly, so I'm done, And then also like,
• 1:13:26
  Speaker 2: you know, my girlfriend's.
• 1:13:27
  Speaker 1: Well I don't think that's why he was done, but
• 1:13:29
  Speaker 1: well I think also I think I think why he
• 1:13:32
  Speaker 1: was done was Rachel died, but like like what he
• 1:13:36
  Speaker 1: chose to do with the story of Batman, and then
• 1:13:38
  Speaker 1: also he pledged.
• 1:13:39
  Speaker 2: Well, I think we're like, wa meta doing this. I think, like,
• 1:13:42
  Speaker 2: if you're watching this movie as a character, like what
• 1:13:44
  Speaker 2: was the least effective thing of this entire trilogy, we
• 1:13:47
  Speaker 2: have to say it is Bruce's love for Rachel, not
• 1:13:50
  Speaker 2: saying like, yes, I'm not blaming actors. It's not written
• 1:13:53
  Speaker 2: well and there's no chemistry there. In fact, what this
• 1:13:57
  Speaker 2: movie does really well is chemistry with another person that
• 1:14:01
  Speaker 2: I fucking wish was in the other three movies. I
• 1:14:04
  Speaker 2: know I loved this, but it's like, well, that's your motivation,
• 1:14:10
  Speaker 2: and it's hard as if you were to be like, man,
• 1:14:13
  Speaker 2: he quits for this, and like, because I don't care
• 1:14:15
  Speaker 2: about it, I don't describe.
• 1:14:16
  Speaker 1: It to so I think I think that that's it's
• 1:14:19
  Speaker 1: very fair to have this opinion, but I think you're
• 1:14:20
  Speaker 1: like looking at it under a microscope, and the way
• 1:14:23
  Speaker 1: that I would look at it is, first of all,
• 1:14:26
  Speaker 1: Toy Story three, four, and five are the best three
• 1:14:28
  Speaker 1: Toy stories.
• 1:14:29
  Speaker 2: In my opinion.
• 1:14:32
  Speaker 1: Like, what would I give Batman Begins a A minus?
• 1:14:37
  Speaker 1: What would I give Dark Knight a plus? What would
• 1:14:39
  Speaker 1: I give Dark Knight Rises a A minus?
• 1:14:42
  Speaker 2: We'd have to get a plus plus. We have to
• 1:14:45
  Speaker 2: do that. We have to do our second ever.
• 1:14:47
  Speaker 1: So what what trilogy matches that I don't. I don't
• 1:14:52
  Speaker 1: know of one because everybody like Godfather has three. Wait
• 1:15:01
  Speaker 1: do you say Tremors or critters?
• 1:15:03
  Speaker 2: Both? Actually a great point, and what we for part two?
• 1:15:07
  Speaker 1: Checkmate? Sucking like dire two is great, but it's not
• 1:15:14
  Speaker 1: nearly as good as I want to disagree with that take.
• 1:15:16
  Speaker 2: To be honest with you, I think Dark Dark dark Side.
• 1:15:18
  Speaker 2: I almost say dark Side, all right? Can we stop
• 1:15:21
  Speaker 2: ki Dark? Same universe?
• 1:15:25
  Speaker 1: Dark Side is in the same universe as Batman, so
• 1:15:27
  Speaker 1: go ahead.
• 1:15:28
  Speaker 2: It's actually, you know what better this movie? If Wolf again,
• 1:15:32
  Speaker 2: we need him, you know he needs has multiple chances.
• 1:15:34
  Speaker 1: Keeps Winston is stepping Wolf.
• 1:15:36
  Speaker 2: That probably would, But no, I feel like again you're saying,
• 1:15:41
  Speaker 2: like the trilogy as a whole, Look, it's a better score.
• 1:15:44
  Speaker 2: I still think Toy stories better than this. I love
• 1:15:46
  Speaker 2: these movies.
• 1:15:47
  Speaker 1: But still, okay, okay, fine, I think you're wrong. But
• 1:15:51
  Speaker 1: live action. Hm, you said Star Wars.
• 1:15:55
  Speaker 2: Maybe I think Star Wars is the only equitable one
• 1:15:58
  Speaker 2: because like anything other than Star Wars, I can't think
• 1:16:01
  Speaker 2: of one, right, That's what I'm saying. So I'm I'm
• 1:16:04
  Speaker 2: not like saying like this, there's nothing else like this.
• 1:16:06
  Speaker 2: I can't think of one that's like right, what okay?
• 1:16:08
  Speaker 1: So maybe Toy Story, maybe Star Wars.
• 1:16:10
  Speaker 2: I would say that. Other people would argue that, like
• 1:16:14
  Speaker 2: because if Godfather went into they're so highly respected three men.
• 1:16:20
  Speaker 2: I agree, But even three three is not a terrible movie.
• 1:16:24
  Speaker 1: I guess it's not. It could be worse, but three
• 1:16:28
  Speaker 1: on its best day is like a B minus. Sure,
• 1:16:31
  Speaker 1: but I don't think it is.
• 1:16:33
  Speaker 2: Other people would consider the first two like a plus
• 1:16:35
  Speaker 2: plus each. Yeah, I don't. I just didn't have that,
• 1:16:39
  Speaker 2: Like they're both excellent, but I don't have like the emotional.
• 1:16:43
  Speaker 1: I guess, and Critters I'm a critters is totally a joke,
• 1:16:50
  Speaker 1: Like I don't have any love for critters. I legitimately
• 1:16:52
  Speaker 1: lovest is great. So Tremor's one, I think is when
• 1:16:56
  Speaker 1: they're in the ground, Tremors two. Then there's also ones
• 1:17:00
  Speaker 1: are above the ground, and then Tremors three. They fly.
• 1:17:02
  Speaker 1: So I like how they kept like.
• 1:17:04
  Speaker 2: Evolving, and their evolution was like they eat and that's
• 1:17:06
  Speaker 2: how they give birth. Yeah, like you want to just
• 1:17:09
  Speaker 2: change gears entirely today and just go to love. I
• 1:17:14
  Speaker 2: don't think you would there's been like a thousand Sci
• 1:17:16
  Speaker 2: Fi Channel movies. You do never want to do that.
• 1:17:18
  Speaker 2: That's always like whenever whenever Timber poses like what Blockbuster series,
• 1:17:21
  Speaker 2: I'm always like, oh man, I have twenty they would
• 1:17:23
  Speaker 2: love to do it, and you're like, wow, something like
• 1:17:25
  Speaker 2: some of these are rough.
• 1:17:26
  Speaker 1: So we did not, technically, I don't think, get through
• 1:17:29
  Speaker 1: the whole first scene. And we were an hour and
• 1:17:32
  Speaker 1: fifteen minutes into this episode.
• 1:17:33
  Speaker 2: This is we're talking about. So were we all bringing
• 1:17:37
  Speaker 2: it to our pop too? Well? You didn't end that right,
• 1:17:43
  Speaker 2: bring it to a due show.
• 1:17:45
  Speaker 1: Tremors won.
• 1:17:46
  Speaker 2: The grab Boy just tried to get ahold of Kevin
• 1:17:49
  Speaker 2: Bacon broad by the eyes