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Trans Pastor · Let's Ask the Mamas!

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  Speaker 1: We got a question for American mamas. Dear mama, is
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  Speaker 1: what's your reaction to the preacher who announced he was
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  Speaker 1: trans Well, let's ask.
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  Speaker 2: Mama's mama and joining.
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  Speaker 1: Is now our American mama is Terry Neediville and Kimberly Burlason.
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  Speaker 3: Okay.
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  Speaker 1: This was in upstate New York. There was a Methodist
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  Speaker 1: pastor who had decided that his sermon over the weekend
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  Speaker 1: should be about how he was now becoming a woman.
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  Speaker 1: I believe he said something like, it's not that I'm
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  Speaker 1: becoming a woman, it's that I'm going to stop pretending
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  Speaker 1: that I'm a man. I believe phil Phineuf is now
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  Speaker 1: going by the name Philippa. Okay, so what do y'all
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  Speaker 1: think about your pastor becoming trans announcing that he's now
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  Speaker 1: a she.
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  Speaker 4: I think that while I was watching him, and I
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  Speaker 4: really I don't think I could have taken him for
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  Speaker 4: more than a couple of minutes. And it has nothing
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  Speaker 4: to do with him making the decision to transition.
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  Speaker 3: He's an adult. He's an adult.
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  Speaker 4: He can do whatever he wants to do. My issue
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  Speaker 4: is in the pulpit. I want my preacher to be
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  Speaker 4: of the Bible, to talk about the Bible, apply it
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  Speaker 4: to everyday life, help us, guide us through biblical means.
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  Speaker 4: And what I found so interesting was you almost felt
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  Speaker 4: like you were in a therapy session with him because
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  Speaker 4: he was trying to get validation from his congregation.
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  Speaker 3: Yes, he did once or twice.
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  Speaker 1: And.
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  Speaker 3: He wanted to.
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  Speaker 4: Be the victim making sure everybody knew that his parents
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  Speaker 4: did not support this, and they wanted to make sure
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  Speaker 4: that he let the congregation.
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  Speaker 3: Know that it is.
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  Speaker 4: What's interesting to me is you know he has on
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  Speaker 4: his rainbow stole.
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  Speaker 1: Right with a dove sewn on it. I thought that
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  Speaker 1: was interesting.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, And he can do whatever he wants, but if
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  Speaker 4: he loses people from that church, he has to understand why.
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  Speaker 1: Now, you actually have some experience with this because your
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  Speaker 1: church was part of the first United Methodist Church, and
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  Speaker 1: was the year two.
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  Speaker 3: Years ago, you guys, a couple of years ago.
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  Speaker 1: You guys had a big church meeting and everybody in
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  Speaker 1: the church voters whether you were going to stay part
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  Speaker 1: of the United Methodist Church or whether you guys were
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  Speaker 1: going to break away. And a lot of the argument
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  Speaker 1: for why you should break away was that the Methodist
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  Speaker 1: Church United Methodist Church was teaching things about sexuality that
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  Speaker 1: did not align with the text of the Bible.
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  Speaker 4: Right. Not only that, but it got very political inside
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  Speaker 4: the church with I'm not talking about church politics, I'm
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  Speaker 4: talking about they started talking about negatively about Trump.
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  Speaker 3: Some of these churches not mine, Republican Democrats.
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  Speaker 4: So our church, you know, will I will say, they
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  Speaker 4: did a great job of making it clear that our
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  Speaker 4: stance was, you know, love, It was to have this
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  Speaker 4: vote to see where everybody was, and they handled it
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  Speaker 4: with great care. But overwhelmingly we decided to get out
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  Speaker 4: of the United part of it.
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  Speaker 3: So we're a first Methodist church.
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  Speaker 4: And what bothered me or hurt me were those who
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  Speaker 4: voted to stay in. They felt like that we were
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  Speaker 4: being bigoted, that we were being discriminatory of those who
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  Speaker 4: want to transition or those in the gay community, and
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  Speaker 4: that's not it at all. Luckily, we did have some
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  Speaker 4: gay people in our community in our church that said, no, no,
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  Speaker 4: I'm voting against this.
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  Speaker 3: I don't want any of this being taught in my church.
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  Speaker 4: Sexual preferences things like that should not be in the pulpit,
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  Speaker 4: It should not be around children.
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  Speaker 3: So but y'all had an experience.
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  Speaker 5: We had the same thing. It seems like it's a
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  Speaker 5: very attention seeking situation. And I'm with Terry, I don't
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  Speaker 5: want to know what your sexual preferences are as a pastor.
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  Speaker 5: I don't know why that's been talked about. We did
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  Speaker 5: the same thing in our church. We had like a
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  Speaker 5: splitting that took place. And it's so funny because our
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  Speaker 5: former pastor who no longer is a pastor, he's Facebook
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  Speaker 5: friends with me. He spews his hate every day. Every
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  Speaker 5: day he has something to say about his maga friends,
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  Speaker 5: and I cannot believe it. But this man is a
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  Speaker 5: phenomenal pastor. He led me in different thoughts and feelings
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  Speaker 5: and I had a hall moments and epiphanies listening to
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  Speaker 5: his sermons, and I thought, man, you were so much
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  Speaker 5: more impactful when you kept all of that outside. Who
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  Speaker 5: you want to have sex with, who you want to
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  Speaker 5: vote for. We don't care, right, preach the gospel. That's
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  Speaker 5: all we're there for.
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  Speaker 1: Well, and that's the other thing that I think it's
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  Speaker 1: lost in a lot of this because people get hung
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  Speaker 1: up on the fact that the Bible does say that
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  Speaker 1: a man sleeping with a man is an abomination to God,
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  Speaker 1: and people are like, well, then God hates homosexuals. But okay,
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  Speaker 1: it's also not right for men to sleep around with
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  Speaker 1: multiple women. And I guarantee you heterosexual men think it'd
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  Speaker 1: be fun to sleep around with a whole bunch of
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  Speaker 1: different women. That's not what we're called to do. So
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  Speaker 1: just because you have an urge, if it's a sexual urge,
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  Speaker 1: or if it's you know, dressing up in a certain way,
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  Speaker 1: just because you have an urge, doesn't mean that that's
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  Speaker 1: what you're called to do. There are heterosexual sins and
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  Speaker 1: there are homosexual sins, and we don't talk about the
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  Speaker 1: fact that both of those things exist. People just go, well,
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  Speaker 1: you hate homosexuals, No, what we hate to sin? We
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  Speaker 1: love people.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, And then you know, with Donald Trump going down
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  Speaker 4: that escalator back in twenty fifteen, I don't know what
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  Speaker 4: happened to some of these preachers, but those who never
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  Speaker 4: got into the political arena felt obligated, like y'all's and
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  Speaker 4: spewing that hatred, even though they say it's to my
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  Speaker 4: maga friends and or to Trump voters, when they know,
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  Speaker 4: like you want to say, sir, you know me, you
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  Speaker 4: know my family, you know my history, you know that
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  Speaker 4: I'm not racist. Or bigoted, and all the frame words
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  Speaker 4: that they use in the media, and to spew hate
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  Speaker 4: when you're supposed to be a man of God that's
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  Speaker 4: supposed to preach about love and forgiveness and grace, and
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  Speaker 4: all you do is get up there and preach against
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  Speaker 4: one man and those who believe the way he does.
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  Speaker 3: I don't have time for it.
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  Speaker 1: If you like to ask for American Mama's a question,
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  Speaker 1: go to our website American Grandado dot com slash Mama's
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  Speaker 1: a click on the ask of the Mama's button. Terry Edible,
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  Speaker 1: Kimberly Burroughs, and thank you so much.
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  Speaker 3: Thank you,