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Episode 775: Becoming The Mirror with Manna Abraham · The Trauma Therapist

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All right, welcome back to the Trauma Therapist Podcast. My name is Gamiferson.
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human, to be real, not just a clinician. I'm a big believer
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That's the Trauma Therapist Project dot com. Let's get started, all right,
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So five four, three, two and one, our folks, welcome
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back to the podcast. I'm very excited to have as my guest today,
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Mana Abraham Mana welcome. Thank you guys. It's so nice to be here.
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Appreciate that. So. Mana is a true world visionary of personal growth
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and self discovery. As an international renowned coach and mentor, trauma recovery specialist,
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founder of the Emotion Memory Pattern Release Method and the twenty seven Dimensions of
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Being, she has dedicated her life to guiding individuals towards their fullest potential.
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Monic combines ancient wisdom and modern science to provide a comprehensive approach to personal growth
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that goes beyond the limitations of religion, spirituality, or philosophy. A core
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belief is that awareness is the key to alleviating suffering negative emotions, where stuck
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state of the mind, body, and energy, and addresses the modern world's
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confusion of consciousness through atomic spirituality and neo healing. Mana, Welcome to the
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podcast. Thank you, thank you. So before we get going, share
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with our listeners, Mana, where you're from originally and where you are currently.
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I'm originally from India, born in India and then now Australia is my
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home. South Australia died. Yeah, okay, So how did all this
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start for you? How did you put into this? All? Right?
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So, I think my background will be surprising. So my background is I
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was a chartered accountant and a CPA, so that was my background. But
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also I think right from my childhood I had this, I had this gift
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I understand people, I know people, and because of that, I thought
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and I felt very transparent about me, like there is this inherent fear that
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if I know you so well, then you will know me so well too.
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So there is no way you can hide with your emotions or just managing
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with a simple lie, or you can't do that. And I found it
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very hard to do that because I was thinking, everybody knows you, everybody
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understands you, and I thought everybody is like that. And with my life
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experiences of my own loss of my mom when I was very young, and
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then the abuse that I had to experience from someone very close in the family
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close to me and my family, I think you start questioning the fundamentals of
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love and trust and relationships and you have to somehow survive, and in the
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survival mode you forget everything. Anyway. So that's how my journey moved on
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to well this is happening in the background, I have this lot of information
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about people I understand, and I'm not calling it empathy. It's just I
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know. It's that knowing. That's a gift, you know. And anyway,
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I had to escape from my home because I cannot. I'm not in
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a position where I can say no to what is happening to me in the
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house, and I can't say no to what is going to happen to me
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if I stay there. So I had to move, not move away,
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I had to literally run away from my home when I was in my eighteen
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nineteen and I was at that point of time. But it's so easy to
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say that in the Western world, but in coming from India, that's not
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the norm to leave your home just like that and leave everything behind. But
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anyway, that took me to be a chartered account and and I was a
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CPA, and I was in US, I worked around the world and then
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but throughout the process, one thing I realized is my trauma was continuing with
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me that I couldn't sleep in the nights there is no light, not sleep,
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and I'm constantly terrorized by the fear of snakes. It's a way of
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protection for me not to sleep. So I created my own The mind created
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its own way of protection how not to sleep. That is creating these dreams
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about the things that you fear the most. So where do you go,
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who will address that, who will say this is trauma? And whom do
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you even go and share that this is happening to me? And then everything
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that happens when you go and talk about someone that this is happening, then
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they mistrust you and they say that you are the one who is doing it.
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And then people they will alienate people from you, your own brothers,
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and it's very for that point of time. That's a hard thing for a
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young girl of that age to comprehend. However, what I understood is I
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had to overcome this because by the time now I'm talking about twenty seven,
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twenty eight, and I can't sleep and there's no light in the night,
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but I'm traveling around the world. By this time, I'm already a professional.
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I was a chartered accountant, and life miraculously. People helped me when
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I had nothing and know like, okay, you study and then you can
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pay it off. Its so miraculously the head. So you have to battle
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between your own values, ethics, what do you want, plus your internal
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trauma and traumatic memories that you have to go through. Nobody understands because one
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side she's a bright child. The other side you can't function properly. But
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it so happened that I thought I had to somehow put an end to this.
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I had to do something about it. And strange enough, I realized
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one day I sat it, sat down and I thought, what am I
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doing here? And then I thought about it, and I said, it's
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my fear that I don't want to think about it. That is keeping me
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stuck in these memories. I sat that night and what I did is I
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brought out every memory and I constantly brought out every memory, and I thought,
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yes, it hurt me, Yes, it hurt me, Yes,
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it hurt me. And I started throwing it away from me. I just
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started sending it away from me. And something strange happened. After a week
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or so, I saw this major, biggest dream of my life where I
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saw this entire big land full of snakes coming towards me. Started going back.
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That's the thing I saw, and then again I sat up my earth
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right, so I had to metaphorize my dreams because for my own peace.
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So then I got up and I started like, Okay, I started sending
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all these things away from me, the snakes away from me. Literally,
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I was doing it in my mind. I was doing it in my mind.
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I did that, and with that, from that day I could sleep
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properly. So what I realized is it's not in the talking, it's in
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facing it. So the gap the fear is the possibility of facing it,
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or the gap is in the possibility of repetition or reoccurrence. But once we
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decide to face it. Then the mind is miraculous. Body is miraculous because
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I had created unwanted things in my body and I was just putting on a
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lot of weight and the situations were going out of control. This is not
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my skin, this is not me because everything acts, body mind, everything
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acts. So intelligence has got nothing to do with the experience the things that
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you experienced in the past. So otherwise I am a brilliant child, winning
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awards and doing all these things, and this side the other side, this
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is what was happening. So anyway, so that's that gave me the biggest
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insight, and I thought right, So it's really about facing the fear and
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so extremely manner. So let me just jumpany your second. So you in
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a simplistic form saying talk about exposure is exposure therapy. So you can think
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about it as exposure, but it's not that. It's it's almost like it
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take in the mind that you realize I will face it. It's the decision.
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So what we are avoiding is not taking the decision because it's too much
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to face. But the point is it's very simple, as we say,
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that's why I think the reason why I'm successful is because of that, because
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you don't need to go through all of those things. The moment you take
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the decision, your body and mind will come to support you. But as
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long as you don't take the decision, you can keep on talking to me
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about it, and I can bring the same thing over and over again,
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but still I will not decide to resolve it because I can talk about it
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because there is some gains that can regain for me an amount of significance.
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Like you know, it happened to me, good or bad. The manature
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of the mind is to have that personal significance. It happened to me.
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So it is about clearing those layers around it, that personal significance, and
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it's not that it just happened to you and then just crossing the bridge to
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face it in your mind. So for example, for you, facing it
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meant seeing that land of snakes and is literally pushing them away in your mind.
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So how would that work for someone else, for example? What might
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they need to face? Yeah, so what happens is again, if you
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look at all my clients, you have to mind is really like a child.
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So you have to play the game with the mind and body. So
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if that mind is initially seeking that significance. You have to give the significance
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and make it feel so special, where finally you can call it out and
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say, why are you doing this? Are you really thinking that this happened?
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Because we fabricate our memories. We do fabricate our memories and we layer
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our memories because of the pain that you're creating and recreating over and over and
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over. So the actual experience is totally different from the memory of the experience.
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So in order to separate these two, we have to separate the memory,
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separate the emotion around it, because that memory and emotion is not necessarily
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connected to the experience itself. So there's no point in talking about the experience
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because experience can be like you know, the Chinese whispers over and over and
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over. It can be completely something different. But as a practitioner, I
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have to come out of my filters of empathy and compassion and separate that.
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Understand, memory and emotion can be completely different from the experience, but it
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is a client's reality. But because it is a client's reality does not mean
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it is the reality. So it's not that we are not trusting. It's
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the nature of the mind to fabric get memories and make meanings over and over.
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So how it works when we're working with somebody is to first separate that
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memory and emotion and once we work on releasing it. It's interesting. You
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will see nine out of ten my clients will admit, yeah, I'm simply
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choosing a problem because it is giving me validation. It's over. So it
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is that ability in that mutt. It is that facilitating that strength to that
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mind to see it and understand it. It is a two year old abuse,
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repressed memory that they don't even remember. But working with me, they
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get that memory. And then once they get it, once they release the
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memory and the emotion around it, it's nothing for them. So it's not
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the experience itself. So I don't even ask what happened. I don't even
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talk about what happened because I don't need to know any of the stories.
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I only need to directly access the emotion and the memory. And once they
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release it, the ra the suppressed repressed memories, they will come up.
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And once they come up, then they're fine to dissociate with it and they'll
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take the decision. But yeah, I'm creating this. They can see that
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mind and themselves separate. They can see it. Wow. Let me just
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remind everyone I'm speaking with Mana Abraham. Let's just pause here for a moment
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to thank our sponsors. All right, Mara, So let's walk us through,
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if you will, a specific example. Obviously we don't need names,
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but let's get a little more specific here. Someone comes into your office.
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Yeh yeah, So someone comes to my office, for example, say anxiety.
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Right, so this person is absolutely anxious, anxious about anything. I'm
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anxious about what we'll have in too, my children, what will happen to
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me? So they're absolutely anxious, panic attacks and they drop down. Every
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time they have this hit of anxiety, they're falling down. So that's the
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story. So they tried. So the first thing they will say, my
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clientele is like that. So they say that I've tried twenty years of all
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these therapies, and I went through all these famous names, and then nothing
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is working. So the first process is unlocking them from the trauma of talking
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about it and the memories that they created over and over by talking to them.
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So the first job is about unlocking those memories and emotions, right,
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and then in that what do you mean by unlocking what does that mean.
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Yeah, it's directly. I think that's interesting. So when they when somebody
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is walking into my office, I sit there. They sit there. I
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don't ask them about their story. I don't ask their name, I don't
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ask what they're doing, what is their age, I don't ask any of
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them. They come, They sit there, and I said, right,
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okay, access your past and let me know what's coming up. I don't
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want the story. Just access your past and let me know what's the emotion
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that's coming up. Directly, you access it and people will come up with
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it. So we don't. But that is only possible because as a practitioner,
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I don't have the so called social norms of building rappo deplomacy, getting
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to know your client, building that story. I don't need that because on
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a deeper level, I'm already connected to you. And the moment they're stepping
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in, they're not stepping into a clinic, or they're not stepping into a
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therapist's office. They're just stepping in for their own piece. So we are
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raising the barriers of all these things, and that's all it really happens.
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So they sit and just and I recorded some of my conversations because I had
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to show to my practitioners. So it's a very straightforward conversation. And if
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that mind is ready to accept it, it will And ninety nine point nine
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percent of the time, this is what I do. They come in.
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I don't ask anything, ask them to access their emotion. They access their
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emotions. Their body brings up first all the memories and emotions stored, and
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it is surprising how much is stored in the body. It's like they want
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to perch, they want to puke, they feel nauseatic, they run to
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the loose because the body brings up the memories with that simple question. But
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it's not the question, it's the practitioner. So and once they do that,
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they release it. They already have the release and then maybe they will
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take two sessions to do that. And once the two sessions are done,
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by the third or fourth session, they come up with the repressed memories have
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to come up. They will come up like they don't remember the details some
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of them, like one of this client, she didn't remember any of the
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details of her first fifteen years. She's a South African and she was used
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beaten by a group of people her and her family, so her parents constantly
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told her not to fight back, not to fight back because they're being beaten
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in South Africa, and then she's now in Australia. So once you release
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the emotion around it, then the fabrication of the memory is released. Once
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the fabricated memory is released, they can see the experience themselves. And then
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but she didn't remember any of these, she said, she I don't remember
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any of them for the first fifteen years because mind it will help you to
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forget all those memories, because that is not something that you can take at
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that point of time. But once you release this memory and the emotion around
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the experience, because you don't have to remember the experience to access the memory
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and the emotion because the mind will bring it up, and then it is
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so interesting and just casually when I ask, right, so, what's the
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name of your kindergarten school? A best friend and she just gets a name
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and she's in her fifties. Because the mind is almost like a child hiding
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waiting for an opportunity to come out into the light. All right, hang
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on here. So a couple of things you said you're talking before about that
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the anxiety example, you said, it's not the question, it's the practitioner.
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What did you mean by that? So, as a practitioner, I
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think we start off thinking about we had to understand the client, know the
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client, build this relationship with the client, build this rapport with the client.
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We think we are trained in a wrong way because the idea is your
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client is always hiding in your shadow, and the time you take to understand
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the mind is the time you take to give the result. So with me,
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any major traumas fifty years, sixty year traumas, it's about six to
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eight sessions with me, and it's a maximum of six to eight weeks.
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And in that I guarantee so far everyone I work, you release it.
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You release these major complex traumas, whether be it first responders, beat anything
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else. But the key, that's what I teach the MPR practitioners is it
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is the practitioner. It is me questioning me. It is me who is
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being clear with my fielters, my judgments, my attachments, my definitions,
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and my opinions. Unless the practitioner is so thorough with their own self inquiry
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and they know their mind so well, you cannot see that in others.
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Otherwise you can get drawn into the social norms of definitions, like you know,
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somebody is abused by their father, or somebody is beaten up by a
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partner for ten days in a room tied to the chair and burnt their clothes
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around them, or somebody experienced or witnessed a murder, or somebody is a
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pedophile who abuse children and now coming and saying I had to get rid of
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this. Where are very If you're functioning on a moral compass as a practitioner,
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you cannot help these people because you're putting your definitions and your filters around
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that. So it as much as we say we are a non biased,
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we are biased. And this bias is a very subtle bias of the mind
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and multiple partners fairs. So if me, as a woman, have a
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judgment about any of these things, that is where the mind is hiding,
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and that's where you cannot help this person. So it is absolutely about being
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non judgmental about yourself and accepting life as it is and releasing that personal significance
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that I am something and is being okay to be a wall clock or to
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be an alarm. To that extent, if we can bring down our ego
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as practitioners, then we become that clean mirrors for the clients and instant trust,
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instant relationship we are building And it's a game of the mind. It's
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never about the person. Are you talking about authenticity? I think we are
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overrating authenticity because it's not really about authenticity. It is beyond that. We
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had to step away from authenticity to see truly, to build the ability to
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see yourself truly and understanding what is causing you to behave this way? What
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is the experience? It's say, for example, if I put my hair
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up, for example, there's a reason why why this mind chose to put
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this hair up. If I'm wearing this shawl, there is a reason why
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my mind chose to wear this shawl. So to that extent, we have
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to become self aware of what choices, of what decisions as a practitioner,
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ourselves. That is a journey on its own. Then it becomes easy.
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It's very easy to work with people. It's almost like so routine, that
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is this it. Yesterday I was working with a first responder who is a
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police officer who saw a suicide victim and an autopsy experience, and my mind
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is this it. So it is really a simple structure to release this traumatic
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memory. It's very simple, but we are overcomplicating it. This sounds simple,
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but certainly doesn't sound easy. So you're not talking about authenticity as a
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practitioner, amost. It almost fuels like you said, it's larger. It's
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like a truth. Yeah, it's the innate truth. If there is a
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truth, but it is that it is going into that layers of understanding yourself
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because I have Guy Macpherson in me. I have so if I don't see
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the guy you in me, I can't see you as you are. Because
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I am everything. I am the mother, I am the child, I
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am the parent. Again, it's a standard psychology philosophy that I am everything.
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I have everyone in me, but I am not tapping into me,
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and I am focusing on becoming a fixer a helper. Because I experience something,
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I will share my story with the world. I experience something, so
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I'll go and help everybody who needs help. So can you see the fundamental
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filter is already about being a fixer or a rescuer. But I am not
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a fixer or a rescuer. I'm not a helper. I'm not helping anybody.
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But can you see I am not trying to help anybody, that's the
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help. Really, I'm not trying to be compassionate with anybody. That's the
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real compassion. So I think we are overdoing compassion, empathy, repo,
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authenticity. We are overdoing it because we want to be helpers, fixers or
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skewers. But we had to be more beyond those labels. What would how
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would you identify what it is you're doing then? So I would say,
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it's becoming ordinary, it's becoming simple. You don't have to be extraordinary.
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You don't have to make everything complicated because I want to be something. I
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want to be someone. Come back to basics, very simple basics. So
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I say, I am simple, I am very ordinary. What I do
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is very basic. That's all we are doing. We are not over complicating
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with because there are people with ten thousand nities. Everybody has so many multiple
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identities. At least thirty forty thousand identities each one of us are carrying right
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now, and we create those parts in us. Which part are you really
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helping? Whatever that mind is wanting to bring it up to heal to resolve
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you. I help that identity. But every experience is loaded with an identity.
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So there are people who create multiple personalities there before I'm working with a
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person. She had five people, five names, and she's storing them as
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a group. Here. She will use each group to help her. One
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person out of the group she will bring out to help. So we are
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creating just that. Maybe we are not naming it, and somebody is naming
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it. So which identity? Right? So what I do is very simple.
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I'm not calling it multiple personality disorder or a bipolar I'm not labeling it
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because I am already having that multiple personality disorder if that is the label,
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Because each one of us have multiple identities anyway, don't we, Yeah,
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to a certain extent, Yeah, sure, yeah die. So it's only
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the extremities somebody may be working on. That's what I call the concept of
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polarity. So if I can be good, that means I have the enormous
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ability to be bad, just that I'm not in that situation if you Yeah,
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excuse me. When you speak about releasing, talk about the emotions and
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releasing. Talk about that again. So releasing is nothing but the awareness.
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Once you see it, you cannot not see it. So once you help
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your practical, your client to see that, once they understand that once they
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observe that, once they release it, the capacity of the mind is enormous
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that it will bring Let's say, for example, another story, this girl
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lady who is working on her body image, and you think it's about weight,
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it's about looking thin, it's about being lean, and then interestingly that
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every symptom of the person is very hysterical. However, in the fourth session,
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the fifth session. Then in a fourth session, the repressed memory comes
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up because you have to allow the mind to come out. It's like the
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child hiding out of fear. So you have to allow that mind to bring
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up the memory. She brought the memory, and once that memory is up
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in the fifth session, she realizes. And when I said, do you
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really have a problem here? And then she said, no, I think
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I should have a problem because if I don't have a problem, I will
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not get the attention. Can you see how simple it is? But we
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don't want to acknowledge that. As humans, We want to make it much
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more than that so called sympathy, empathy, aws and compassions. We want
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to play that game as practitioners ourselves because we think we should be. But
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when you really ask, do we really have a problem here, Yes,
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you were abused, but do you really have a problem, And the mind
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says no, I don't, then it will go into acknowledging the reality.
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It will acknowledge the truth, it will acknowledge the fabrication of the meanings because
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we are just meaning making machines. And once it technologes the meaning, then
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it's just a matter of Then comes language where you can reframe, or you
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can use metaphors or something else. But taking the mind to the point,
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where is this it? Really? Do you feel it? I mean,
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there are a lot of you know, treatment modalities out there, trauma treat
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modalities out there. Do you find them helpful to a certain degree? What
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do you? Yeah? I think everything is good because every person is on
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a different journey at a different stages of life. So someone who experienced and
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it is fresh in the memory, no amount of this understanding or awareness can
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help. So you have to create opportunities to talk and share and so that
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the mind will not suppress any of them. So you need this talking therapy,
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you need counseling, you need CBTs, you need all of them EFTs.
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But the point is CBTs, EFTs, any other modalities you're talking about
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em DR, you're talking about eye movement, decent so, nervous system vegas.
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Now all these symptoms that we are dealing with and working on, you're
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not hitting the underlying fabrication of meanings of the mind. And that is not
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just language. So they're all helping, Like I do have clients from Chris
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Duncan and Tony Robbins, and I do have clients from them too. So
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what has happening is we are constantly focusing on sup depression and distraction, suppression
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and distraction from the fact, from the truth, from what it is,
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and we are really not allowing to see ourselves truly. So the point so
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this all will help because you know, when you are drowning, even a
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hey, just a grass rand of grass is helpful, but once you come
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to the shore, it's important to really work on releasing it, going deeper
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and more resolving this. So it's not about and again, if that is
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the case, there's so many energy healers, yogur teachers and all these different
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trainers. So by this time world should be an enlightened place, isn't it,
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because of all the knowledge books and research and reading. But it's not
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about that. It's the individual's journey, and especially as a practitioner, this
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is a practitioner's journey to go more inwards without trying to motivate themselves, without
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trying to push themselves into becoming something. Going inwards and then coming outwards is
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important, and that going inwards is just Again, you'll say everybody is self
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aware, but it's not, because if everybody is self aware, we should
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be on a different space right now, isn't it. It's not about that.
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It's going deeper than that, beyond the labels of wanting to help the
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world, wanting to rescue the world, wanting to fix the world. Because
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knowingly or unknowingly, the profession you are in is the healing you need.
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So knowingly or unknowingly, the profession you're in is the healing you need.
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Yeah, so if I am here when I started off, I needed this
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healing for myself. So then now I realize that that's not the space for
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me anymore. And now it's by choice. I'm here, but not because
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I want to fix the world. Because you're what you see outside is what
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you see inside you. The help that you think the world needs is the
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help you need. Yourself and every client will bring out a facet of you
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to see deeper into that. And that's subtle, subtle energy, that's subtle
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mind patterns, that subtle thoughts. We are not even tapping into it because
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of the busyness we create in minds and in lives, and we think that
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is an understanding and we talk about it, we create conferences. But stop
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and see if you can go into the subtle thoughts, into these subtle layers
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of the mind, and it's amazing. There is a huge world out there
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and it's very and the mind and body are very connected. Mind, body
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and energy is very interconnected, and we are not really tapping into it.
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We are seeing in silos. So if I'm a yoga teacher, I'm the
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best yoga teacher. That's it, and that's where I want to work on.
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If I'm an energy healer, I want to be totally into energy healing
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and that's what I'm working on. Or if I'm a mind logical analytical person,
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I go on language and mind and these are all UHU thinks for me
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because I'm this intellectual. So we have to find this balance between being an
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intellectual, emotional and an abstract thinker, and we should be in that space
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where we can work and see all those three things together mind, body,
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and energy. And in that space there is a real healing that happens,
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so not just one on its own. As we get ready to close down
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here, what would you say to the therapist listening, because from what you're
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saying, Mana, it sounds to me as though there's a lot of awareness
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required of the therapist here. Yeah, how would you recommend or encourage a
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therapist listening to begin to cultivate this? Is that what you're talking about?
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An awareness? An awareness that's right, So it's an absolute awareness and again
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I also have that's what I'm saying. It's if we are really passionate to
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help others, we should be passionate to find ourselves truly and awareness. And
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it's again my experience with what I'm saying. It's so subtle. Awareness is
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my word because I have to say something to connect to the world. But
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you will reach a point where you are outside that awareness to and you will
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realize that you are in the way of the awareness. Also because once you're
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out of it, it's almost like you're watching the game of life and that
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there is a different awareness. So there is an awareness being a witness to
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a game, and there is an awareness being not even belonging to the game
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and you're outside the stadium and looking at the overall stadium. So that awareness
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about you deeply, and the strength to face yourself deeply and in your involuntary
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moments being okay to question yourself and develop that self awareness. That's the key.
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And once you see it, it is amazing, it's a magic.
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And then there is no place for your client to hide or your's mind to
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hide, because you're clean. You're a clean mirror with no smudge. So
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what a therapist I would say, and that's what I teach my MPR practitioners,
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truly truly looking to yourself, complete self awareness, and that is the
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light you will shine on to others instead of thinking you have to go and
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help somebody. Did you start out with this perspective? I think for me,
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what I really understood is that's what as I said, as from right
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from a childhood, I can see the game of the mind always. I
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could see it's the ego, so we call it love, we call it
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whatever. But I always could see the game of the mind and how the
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mind is functioning, so it's always a mind to mind. So the submissive
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people are the strongest minds because they won the game. But a person with
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ego things this is a submissive person. I want the person, but the
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mind won the mind. So the battle of people behaviors for power or for
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control or for authority is absolutely different from how the mind perceives winning and losing.
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The mind's winning and losing is different from the person's winning and losing.
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And that's what I experienced from a childhood. That's what I could clearly see,
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and I think I took that knowledge everywhere and then I realized that is
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where I am, and I brought it into this. However, I had
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to refine myself because I fall my very first initial sessions. I used to
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fall into this empathy and compassion and understanding their story and knowing their story.
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And then I realized it's the battle of the mind. The moment I'm asking
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you your story, you're already I already, you already bought me into your
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story because your mind wants significance, and I gave you every opportunity to win.
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So it's almost like the Age Old Age Old Ancient School ancient philosophy,
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like you know, the disciples should be absolutely submissive to the teacher. And
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once the disciple is totally submissive to the teacher, that's when the learning begins.
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Where in this language we say the client should be ready, but client
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is ready, the mind is not. So it's about not the person.
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It's about how that mind and body, how they are functioning, and what
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are you able to generate? And that's where that's what I realized. So
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I had this knowledge, and I always knew this, but I thought everybody
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is like that. And then I realized, no, everybody's not like that.
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They can't even see these things. That took time for me to understand.
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And once I understood that, I got into this. Yeah, we
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all make our own mistakes. And now I'm refining it. I refined it
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and I'm continuing to refine it. And now I brought it to six sessions
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to completely come out of it. And now I'm thinking, you know what,
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you don't even need six sessions. And now I'm I'm refining it further,
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so how to make it even more easier. So but that refinement is
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what based on how refined I am, So I had to refine myself first.
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Wow, Mada Abraham. Wow, what is the best way for people
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to get in contact with you? I think on is my website. You
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have man Abraham dot com and my email address Mana atmana abraham dot com.
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Okay, Now do you are you working with therapists or just clients or both?
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I work both. I work both with therapists, securitists and clients individuals.
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Okay, and you're working to what educate them about what we're talking about
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here? Yeah, So I teach what I do because people are asking me.
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So I teach my EMPR method with its framework twenty seven dimensions of Being.
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So that helps you to profile a person in less than seven minutes.
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So my expertise is to profile a client in less than seven minutes a stranger.
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So that's what I teach through my method, the EMPM method and twenty
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seven dimensions of Being. So that is the education side, education and training.
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And then I also work with one on one with individuals around the world,
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and I do group programs like the one now I'm running in world Washington
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State end of July Beyond Trauma Program, a three day program. So I
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do this educate and train and I help them one working one on one and
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in the group. Awesome. Well, we'll have that linked up here at
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the show notes page at the Trauma Papers podcast dot com. Mara, I
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would love to have you back. Thank you, guys, are you're radiant?
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I can't think of a better word than that. Thank you so much
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for being here.