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Tyler Robinson Preliminary Hearing Transcript (Day 4 Part 4) (10/11/26) · The Vault: The Epstein Files

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  Speaker 1: What's up everyone and welcome back to the program. In
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  Speaker 1: this episode we're going to pick up where we left
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  Speaker 1: off with the Tyler Robinson prelim hearing transcript and to
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  Speaker 1: do that we're picking up with the prosecution. Ballard, your honor,
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  Speaker 1: just to clarify the record, the state has redacted that portion.
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  Speaker 1: We anticipated that needed to be redacted in 16-1 so
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  Speaker 1: we've redacted that portion. We believe that that's the best
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  Speaker 1: way to proceed now is that we have an edited
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  Speaker 1: video ready that comports with the additional edits that the
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  Speaker 1: court has ordered. We propose that we take a break
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  Speaker 1: so that we can show that to the defense, make
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  Speaker 1: sure we're on the same page, and then anticipate coming
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  Speaker 1: back in and playing Exhibit 16. So they take their break,
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  Speaker 1: now they're back. Now back in session, welcome back, turning
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  Speaker 1: to the state. I apologize, Judge, we're having computer technology
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  Speaker 1: issues and we believe those have been sorted out But
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  Speaker 1: we have not yet had the opportunity to show the
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  Speaker 1: final edited version to the defense. So they go back
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  Speaker 1: and forth, you know, figuring it all out. And the
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  Speaker 1: judge calls a recess. Now they come back. Prosecution. We've
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  Speaker 1: reviewed Exhibit 16 and defense, and it comports with the
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  Speaker 1: court's order. At this point, we would like to put
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  Speaker 1: Agent Davis back on the stand and continue with displaying that,
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  Speaker 1: publishing that. Judge Graff, all right, Agent Davis, if you'd
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  Speaker 1: like to come forward, I remind you you're still under oath.
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  Speaker 1: if you'd like to have a seat there, should be
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  Speaker 1: a water bottle to your left, and after you're situated,
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  Speaker 1: if you wouldn't mind adjusting that microphone and bringing it
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  Speaker 1: closer to you so the record can pick up your testimony. Prosecution,
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  Speaker 1: and just for the record and the court's benefit, we've
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  Speaker 1: made the edits that the court has ordered. We have
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  Speaker 1: shown them to the defense. Pursuant to the timestamps that
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  Speaker 1: the court ordered, wanted those to be reflected very clearly,
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  Speaker 1: so there are sometimes large gaps or just black, empty
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  Speaker 1: silent space. When there are large gaps, we'll fast forward.
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  Speaker 1: Some of those are short enough that we'll just let
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  Speaker 1: it play if the court's okay with that, with proceeding
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  Speaker 1: that way. Judge Graff, thank you. I appreciate giving a
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  Speaker 1: heads up so all parties know what's going on. Thank you, Ms. Hunt.
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  Speaker 1: So at this time, we would move to publish on
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  Speaker 1: the monitor State Exhibit 16. Prosecution. Judge Graff. All right.
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  Speaker 1: And to the media. There's a monitor for your benefit
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  Speaker 1: right next to you. For the camera, there is one
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  Speaker 1: for that direction, as well as for the gallery. And
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  Speaker 1: now the video plays. Speaker number four. This meeting is
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  Speaker 1: to use your statement here instead of your testimony at
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  Speaker 1: a prelim hearing. Do you understand that? Lance Twiggs, uh-huh.
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  Speaker 1: Speaker four. Okay, so in order to do that, I
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  Speaker 1: need to place you under oath and also give you
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  Speaker 1: an admonition about false statements. Okay, first, you do solemnly
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  Speaker 1: swear to affirm that the evidence you shall give in
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  Speaker 1: this issue shall be the truth, the whole truth, and
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  Speaker 1: nothing but the truth. So help you God. Lance Twiggs, yes.
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  Speaker 1: Speaker 4, I also need to notify you that you
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  Speaker 1: are notified the statements you're about to make may be
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  Speaker 1: presented to a magistrate or judge in lieu of your
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  Speaker 1: sworn testimony at a prelim examination. Any false statements you
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  Speaker 1: make and that you do not believe to be true
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  Speaker 1: may be subject to criminal punishment, a Class A misdemeanor.
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  Speaker 1: Do you understand that? Twiggs, yes. Question, it potentially could
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  Speaker 1: be used for punishment as a high offense as obstruction
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  Speaker 1: of justice. In addition, I just want to make sure
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  Speaker 1: that our recording here is clear and that you've been
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  Speaker 1: given a federal agreement and state agreement granting you immunity
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  Speaker 1: from prosecution for materials that you discussed now. Do you
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  Speaker 1: understand that? Twigs, uh-huh. Question, okay, first we're going to
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  Speaker 1: cover some of the things that you've already talked about.
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  Speaker 1: But to make it as part of the record, first,
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  Speaker 1: what's your name? Answer full name with middle name or
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  Speaker 1: just last? Speaker for first and last. Twigs, okay, my
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  Speaker 1: name is Lance Twigs. Question, and do you know Tyler Robinson? Answer, yes, yes,
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  Speaker 1: I do. Question, and this is the same Tyler Robinson
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  Speaker 1: that's been charged with shooting of Charlie Kirk? Answer, yes. Question,
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  Speaker 1: and would you say when you first met Tyler? Answer,
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  Speaker 1: I think it was 2023. I've known him longer than that, though.
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  Speaker 1: That was the first time I met him in person. Question, okay,
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  Speaker 1: and will you describe your relationship with Tyler when you
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  Speaker 1: first met him anyway? Answer, when I first met him,
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  Speaker 1: I didn't know him super well. He was just a
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  Speaker 1: new roommate. So I knew he knew my friend group,
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  Speaker 1: and I knew he liked playing games, but that's about
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  Speaker 1: it when he first moved in. Question, okay, so before
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  Speaker 1: we go on, I realized that my mic was muted
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  Speaker 1: at the onset. Was yours going, your microphone? It's going,
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  Speaker 1: back and forth they're having now. I'm going to repeat
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  Speaker 1: those admonitions to make sure we've got the recording. So again,
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  Speaker 1: I've placed you under oath, just to make a record,
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  Speaker 1: I'm going to do it again. Do you solemnly swear
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  Speaker 1: that the evidence you shall give in this issue shall
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  Speaker 1: be the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth,
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  Speaker 1: so help you God? Twigs, yes. Question and again. I'm
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  Speaker 1: going to give you the false statement admonition. Speaker four,
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  Speaker 1: all right, okay, sorry about the interruption. All right, so
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  Speaker 1: you said when you first met, you were roommates? Answer, yes. Question, okay.
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  Speaker 1: And then at some point in your relationship progressed to
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  Speaker 1: something more than roommates, is that right? Answer, uh-huh. Question,
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  Speaker 1: when was that? Answer, I think we started dating two
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  Speaker 1: or three months after he moved in. Question, okay, and
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  Speaker 1: where did you live at the time? Answer, St. George
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  Speaker 1: in an apartment complex. Question, and is that apartment the
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  Speaker 1: same place you lived on September 10th? Answer, yes. Question,
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  Speaker 1: when you lived there with Tyler, were you in the
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  Speaker 1: same room? Did you live in the same room or
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  Speaker 1: different rooms? Answer, no separate rooms. Question, and at the time,
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  Speaker 1: let's say September 2025, what were you doing with your life?
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  Speaker 1: Were you working, school? Answer, I was working. I was
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  Speaker 1: doing bathtub and shower repair and stuff and new construction. Question, okay,
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  Speaker 1: and how about Tyler? Answer, I think he was both working.
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  Speaker 1: I think he was working for an electrician company then
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  Speaker 1: and he was also in a trade school for being,
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  Speaker 1: I don't know, higher ranking electrician. I'm not sure how
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  Speaker 1: the trade system works for that. Question, okay. Answer, but yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I think he was both. Question, what was his typical
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  Speaker 1: workday like? Answer, I think he'd leave around seven generally.
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  Speaker 1: and get back like three or four, depending on where
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  Speaker 1: the job was and how long it took. And then
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  Speaker 1: on certain days of the week during school semesters, he
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  Speaker 1: would then, later in the day, I think around five
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  Speaker 1: or six, go to school. So yeah. Question, okay, so
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  Speaker 1: let's jump to September 10th. Did he spend the night
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  Speaker 1: in the apartment the night of September 9th into September 10th? Answer,
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  Speaker 1: into September 10th, yeah, I think he did. Question, do
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  Speaker 1: you know when he left the apartment? On September 10th? Answer,
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  Speaker 1: I don't know the exact time. I just know he
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  Speaker 1: left early. I heard him leaving and he just said
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  Speaker 1: he had a long drive to work that day. So
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  Speaker 1: he was leaving early. Question, okay, so early. Any guess
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  Speaker 1: as to when that was? Answer, I don't know. I
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  Speaker 1: would have thought it was 5 a.m. because that's when
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  Speaker 1: an early work day was for him, but it was
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  Speaker 1: probably more like 4. Question, okay, so what time did
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  Speaker 1: you get up on September 10th? Answer, probably 12 or 1. Question,
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  Speaker 1: did you have work that day? Answer, no. Question, and
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  Speaker 1: did you hear from Tyler? Did he call or text
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  Speaker 1: you before? Answer, no. He sent that message in the
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  Speaker 1: group chat I mentioned, but he didn't message me directly
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  Speaker 1: at all that day. Question, okay. When did you first
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  Speaker 1: hear from him? On September 10th. Answer, it was 11
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  Speaker 1: o'clock with that automated message. Question, okay, 11 p.m. Lance Twiggs, yeah. Question,
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  Speaker 1: he asked you here, remember how I was engraving bullets?
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  Speaker 1: Was he engraving bullets before this? Answer, yeah. I don't
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  Speaker 1: remember exactly when, but he said he was planning to
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  Speaker 1: go hunting with his family. And he asked me if
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  Speaker 1: I had a Dremel, because he said he wanted to
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  Speaker 1: engrave messages on bullets. And I just told him where
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  Speaker 1: the Dremel was, and I told him to make sure
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  Speaker 1: he doesn't set off a bullet on accident in the house.
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  Speaker 1: But I didn't really think about it until then. Question,
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  Speaker 1: how long before September 10th was it that he asked
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  Speaker 1: about the Dremel? Answer, I don't remember, because he'd been
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  Speaker 1: talking about the hunting camping trip for a couple months,
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  Speaker 1: but I don't remember when he was specifically asking to
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  Speaker 1: engrave the bullets. Question, are we talking about a year before? Answer,
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  Speaker 1: oh no, not that long. It would have been, I'd say,
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  Speaker 1: at most a month before this was when he was asking. Question, okay,
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  Speaker 1: all right. You talked about the note that he left.
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  Speaker 1: I want to bring this up and I should say
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  Speaker 1: that these text messages that we've been looking at here
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  Speaker 1: are Bates number 54, okay? The notes have been titled
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  Speaker 1: 16-3 with a note, And this is Bates number 58.
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  Speaker 1: Do you recognize that on your screen? Answer, yeah. Question,
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  Speaker 1: what do you recognize? Answer, that was the note under
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  Speaker 1: my keyboard that he was referring to in the first
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  Speaker 1: text of that chain. Question, okay, so where did you
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  Speaker 1: find this? Twigs, on his desk, underneath his computer keyboard. Answer,
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  Speaker 1: I assumed you read it. Answer, yeah. Question, and then,
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  Speaker 1: what did you do with it after you read it? Answer.
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  Speaker 1: I believe I just put it back down on the
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  Speaker 1: desk after I took a picture of it. Question. Okay.
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  Speaker 1: And again, the time you read it was probably around
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  Speaker 1: 11 or so on the 10th. Answer. Yes. Question. The
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  Speaker 1: night of September 10th. Answer. Uh-huh. Question. All right. Did
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  Speaker 1: you ever see that again after you placed it back
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  Speaker 1: on his desk? Answer. No, I don't think I did. Question.
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  Speaker 1: And that was a desk in his bedroom. Answer. Yes. Question.
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  Speaker 1: And that's a separate bedroom to your bedroom. Answer. Yup. Question, okay,
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  Speaker 1: and now I want to go with what's been titled 16-2.
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  Speaker 1: And do you recognize the series of messages here? Answer, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: that was the server, like his friend that I was mentioning. Question, okay,
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  Speaker 1: and this is your phone again? Twigs, yeah. This is Discord. Question,
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  Speaker 1: and who are the members of the server? I don't
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  Speaker 1: want names, just generally, who are these people and members
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  Speaker 1: of this group twigs this is his friend group they
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  Speaker 1: play dnd together every week question okay and i just
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  Speaker 1: want to scroll through this to make sure that you
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  Speaker 1: get a chance to take a look at it or
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  Speaker 1: go to the next page answer yes question so tyler
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  Speaker 1: icum who's that answer that's tyler robinson Question, and these
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  Speaker 1: other people are just others that are members of the server? Answer, yes. Question, Judd, Barnaby, Marina, DM, yes? Answer, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: DM means Dungeon Master, so most of them are names
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  Speaker 1: they're using in the game they're currently playing. Question, got it. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: it looks like the last text from Tyler, it looks
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  Speaker 1: like was 8pm. And do you know what day this
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  Speaker 1: would have been? 8pm on the 10th or the 11th? Answer,
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  Speaker 1: I would think it would be the 11th. At least
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  Speaker 1: I think so. Because I don't think on the 10th
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  Speaker 1: that he messaged anyone before me at 11th. Question, and
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  Speaker 1: he turned himself in on the 11th, right? Answer, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I thought so. All right, we're going to wrap up
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  Speaker 1: right here. And in the next episode, we're going to
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  Speaker 1: pick up where we left off. All the information that
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  Speaker 1: goes with this episode can be found in the description box.