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Foster and Friends Vol 155 Jim Cavanaugh · Foster and Friends

• 0:03
  SPEAKER_01: This is Foster and Friends with former coach Bud Foster and his co-host Mac McDonald.
• 0:09
  SPEAKER_06: I am a little different now.
• 0:11
  SPEAKER_06: You're going to find that out as this conversation goes on.
• 0:14
  SPEAKER_06: It happens.
• 0:15
  SPEAKER_06: You know, I've worked for some great coaches, have three coaches, Mac being one of them, are in the National Hall of Fame.
• 0:22
  SPEAKER_06: And I've worked for four co uh four coaches that are in the Virginia State Hall of Fame.
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  SPEAKER_06: When they hire you, you know they expect the truth.
• 1:00
  SPEAKER_06: And uh and I expect the same thing.
• 1:03
  SPEAKER_06: Now I would never embarrass a head coach or in in in front of the public, but I was not afraid to raise questions in staff meetings or one-on-one.
• 1:16
  SPEAKER_01: Now from the NSB Radio Network, Foster and Friends.
• 1:20
  SPEAKER_01: Here's Bud and Mac.
• 1:24
  SPEAKER_10: It is Foster and Friends for another weekend.
• 1:27
  SPEAKER_10: Uh we are recording before Bud takes off for the left coast.
• 1:32
  SPEAKER_10: Um and hanging out in Cal Berkeley since uh Virginia Tech's got Cal.
• 1:36
  SPEAKER_10: And uh with uh I'm a little jealous that you're going to go.
• 1:39
  SPEAKER_10: What are you gonna do for three or four days before the game?
• 1:42
  SPEAKER_10: Uh the fact that you're gonna be in Cal.
• 1:44
  SPEAKER_10: What are you gonna do?
• 1:45
  SPEAKER_02: Well, I think we're gonna check out some uh some wineries and some videos.
• 1:49
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, that's tough, dude.
• 1:50
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, uh no, we're we're actually taking um uh say we the the Hokie Club and I get to be a part of it, is we are uh taking some of our top donors closest to the football program.
• 2:02
  SPEAKER_02: It's a a trip we pick out one or two trips a season road trips, and Cal happens to be one, and we get Jesse and I both get to go, which is very kind of the Hokie Club to allow her to come along.
• 2:15
  SPEAKER_02: But basically, we're gonna uh hob knob with uh you know some of our top donors and take them to some really cool places in Napa and around uh you know the area.
• 2:24
  SPEAKER_02: We're gonna get a chance to sightsee like Cal.
• 2:27
  SPEAKER_02: Like when we went a couple years ago, we went to Stanford.
• 2:30
  SPEAKER_02: Uh we got a chance to walk around the university there and see uh, and we'll get a chance to do a little bit of that and and uh see some sites.
• 2:37
  SPEAKER_02: And uh probably one of the big thrills is we get to um have dinner with uh one of Virginia Tech's top alum and a guy by the name of Andy Beckstoffer.
• 2:48
  SPEAKER_02: Andy uh is just one of the most significant people in the United States of America in the wine industry and uh Virginia Tech grad and and uh one of the top wine growers or grape growers rather in the this country and if not in the world.
• 3:04
  SPEAKER_02: And so that's a a special treat for us to be able to spend some quality time with him and with the donors, and then hopefully we we can't let one game affect another one as we move, you know.
• 3:14
  SPEAKER_02: After this tough pit loss, we can't let can't have a hangover.
• 3:19
  SPEAKER_10: Yeah.
• 3:26
  SPEAKER_10: In our next segment where we're gonna get into that and field goals and rules and and that kind of thing.
• 3:30
  SPEAKER_10: I want to back up to do you know, Andy, does he have a winery?
• 3:35
  SPEAKER_10: Do you know the name of his winery?
• 3:36
  SPEAKER_02: No, he does not have a winery per se because he sells his grapes to uh you know to the wineries and the vineyards and some of those places that you know, because he owns over 4,000 acres of all the different regions there, and you know, and um but his his grapes are I mean, his bottles of wine that they use with his grapes are some of the top uh bottles in America and in the world.
• 4:05
  SPEAKER_02: You know, you're you're not gonna buy a$50 bottle of vexed offer grapes.
• 4:11
  SPEAKER_02: It's gonna be more than that, you know, it's gonna be like a chemist or above, you know what I mean?
• 4:16
  SPEAKER_02: It's that kind of that kind of grape.
• 4:18
  SPEAKER_02: But anyway.
• 4:19
  SPEAKER_10: You take me a couple pictures of like labels then?
• 4:22
  SPEAKER_10: Like if you're having if you're at dinner or you're tasting and you find one, will you take a picture of the label?
• 4:28
  SPEAKER_02: And yeah, that's the one thing I think with Andy's wine of grapes, it has to be on the labels, you know, of uh all these of these wineries and vineyards.
• 4:37
  SPEAKER_02: That uh, but um yeah, so I'll I'll take some pictures and that way there's some wines that you know uh you want to go get, you know.
• 4:47
  SPEAKER_10: So I'll because we're a good taste tester.
• 4:50
  SPEAKER_10: Yeah, we're we're cut V and I are caught up in that that$8 Trader Joe wine, you know.
• 4:55
  SPEAKER_10: So hey, you get some good deals, yeah.
• 4:57
  SPEAKER_10: Yeah, we did awfully, awfully good.
• 4:59
  SPEAKER_10: So all right, we'll go to break, we'll come back.
• 5:01
  SPEAKER_10: Did you know that there are certain field goals that aren't reviewable?
• 5:06
  SPEAKER_10: Bud and I talk about that when we come back.
• 5:08
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• 6:16
  SPEAKER_08: To be honest with you, from my angle, I don't know.
• 6:19
  SPEAKER_08: I think John Love is is the best kicker in the country.
• 6:23
  SPEAKER_08: I had so much confidence that that thing was gonna go through.
• 6:26
  SPEAKER_08: And from my angle, I I I couldn't tell you.
• 6:30
  SPEAKER_08: Had a ton of confidence that that thing was gonna go through.
• 6:32
  SPEAKER_08: At the end of the day, they said it didn't go through, so everything else uh doesn't really matter a whole lot.
• 6:39
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• 6:42
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• 6:45
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• 6:49
  SPEAKER_10: Welcome back, it is Foster and Friends, and uh in that second segment, of course, talking about uh, you know, field goals.
• 6:55
  SPEAKER_10: You know, just it was a crazy, it was a crazy weekend last weekend with uh when you talk baseball and the Padres hitting the roof uh in Milwaukee, and uh it's not a home run, and there's just uh, you know, it was it was a crazy weekend for the officials.
• 7:12
  SPEAKER_10: And and I don't know if Bud realizes it where great comeback.
• 7:18
  SPEAKER_10: Um you know, it could have been a W very easily.
• 7:21
  SPEAKER_10: James Franklin, and I'm gonna play a soundbite with him in just a little bit, was very, very forthright and very classy in the way he handled uh you know what happened with uh you know with his kicker and uh and John Love.
• 7:34
  SPEAKER_10: But Bud, where were you at the time of the field goal?
• 7:37
  SPEAKER_10: Were you in your seats and did you have a pretty good angle on it?
• 7:41
  SPEAKER_02: Well, I was in my seats, but it was you know the same angle as probably everybody on the it was just hard to tell uh, you know, uh from that from that spot.
• 7:52
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, uh by the reaction of the him of John, I thought it was him because he was like in, but uh it was it was just hard to tell.
• 8:01
  SPEAKER_02: And then there's been so many different angles that I've seen.
• 8:05
  SPEAKER_02: But you know, the bottom line is this, obviously, it's and they ruled it.
• 8:09
  SPEAKER_02: Uh and I know we're gonna talk about that.
• 8:11
  SPEAKER_02: And I think it was just the flight path of the ball as it went over the over the upright.
• 8:18
  SPEAKER_02: And um, you know, and um, but I had a I had a tough angle.
• 8:24
  SPEAKER_02: It was, you know, I I talked to James on on Saturday, and obviously he was more frustrated about the turnovers and all that than he was the you know, that he put themselves in that they they did.
• 8:35
  SPEAKER_02: They fought back and put themselves in position to win the game.
• 8:38
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, we controlled the game, um total yardage, time of possession, all those things.
• 8:45
  SPEAKER_02: Um, but just you know, when you have four turnovers, it's hard to overcome.
• 8:49
  SPEAKER_02: And we over about overcame that, you know, and that could have won uh a big game in an ugly fashion, so to speak.
• 8:55
  SPEAKER_02: But uh like I said earlier, now we can't let one affect another.
• 8:58
  SPEAKER_02: But you know, James, uh, I guess that's a you know, and we'll talk about that's a rule, and I don't know why you don't get a chance to review those a little bit, and maybe there's a reason why.
• 9:08
  SPEAKER_10: Well, I looked it up because I had never heard it and I heard people talking about it.
• 9:12
  SPEAKER_10: All right, height limitations.
• 9:13
  SPEAKER_10: Um, kicks that travel higher than the top of the uprights are generally not reviewable under standard replay provisions.
• 9:20
  SPEAKER_10: In NCAA college football, the rules state the ball must cross between the uprights and over the crossbar, the lack of explicit guidance or review angles above the uprights frequently sparks debate.
• 9:33
  SPEAKER_10: Now, you were talking about angles.
• 9:36
  SPEAKER_10: A lot of a lot of iPhone, you know, smartphone videos got posted, right?
• 9:41
  SPEAKER_10: So on Twitter and Instagram.
• 9:44
  SPEAKER_10: Somebody at the stands behind the pit bench had the best angle that I've seen.
• 9:49
  SPEAKER_10: And it does look like it could have been a shade left.
• 9:53
  SPEAKER_10: But boy, what a tough call to make at that time when you know when you're thinking that that uh you know that it was good.
• 10:01
  SPEAKER_10: All said and done.
• 10:02
  SPEAKER_10: James Franklin, end of the game, got the question, and he just he handled it with all the grace of a of a classy head coach.
• 10:10
  SPEAKER_08: To be honest with you, from my angle, I don't know.
• 10:14
  SPEAKER_08: I think John Love is is the best kicker in the country.
• 10:17
  SPEAKER_08: I had so much confidence that that thing was gonna go through.
• 10:21
  SPEAKER_08: And from my angle, I I I couldn't tell you had a ton of confidence that that thing was gonna go through.
• 10:27
  SPEAKER_08: The end of the day, they said it didn't go through, so everything else uh doesn't really matter a whole lot.
• 10:33
  SPEAKER_10: Yeah, that was the his postgame, uh, the comments.
• 10:36
  SPEAKER_10: And then this week in his press conference, naturally, as Bud uh says, and you know, it really is coach speak where you don't want to let one game cost you two games, uh having having to travel to Cal.
• 10:48
  SPEAKER_10: And that, of course, is uh any coach as well as James Franklin's uh what they've got to do with their with their team and players.
• 10:55
  SPEAKER_07: Whether it's a quarterback who who throws some interceptions, or whether it was a kicker or any position that has a game that they would would love to have a redo over, or they're not pleased with how they played, or or felt like they had some significant plays that that um they're not happy with, then yeah, there's there's an aspect of that that we got to work through.
• 11:18
  SPEAKER_10: Yeah, and so but you and you've been in, you know, you lose a tough game and it's easy to talk about and rehash or whatever, and maybe the Friday night and the extra day uh you know can make a big difference, but a short week for you guys having to turn right around and fly to the West Coast.
• 11:33
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, yeah.
• 11:33
  SPEAKER_02: And that's I mean, I think it with both teams, yeah.
• 11:36
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, last week was a short week on a Friday game, and and um, yeah, and then the time change and that type of thing, you know, just being able to be on that uh here most recently went out to Vegas.
• 11:47
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, there is a that is from your body clock, it's different traveling to the you know, to the from coach to coach.
• 11:54
  SPEAKER_02: It really is when you start talking about a three-hour difference to to get your body acclimated.
• 11:59
  SPEAKER_02: But yeah, we've we've got to have a great week of practice and and then um but I'm anxious to see how we respond.
• 12:07
  SPEAKER_02: And that's that's the making of a you know, uh, the character of your football team is how you respond to a setback.
• 12:13
  SPEAKER_02: That was always something that I thought we did in my tenure here at Virginia Tech is after a tough loss, we responded.
• 12:19
  SPEAKER_02: We really came back with um, you know, a sense of urgency about ourselves, you know, and um and that's what I'm I'm anxious to see how this group uh you know will respond.
• 12:30
  SPEAKER_10: Yeah, and and again, it you know, such an interesting college weekend.
• 12:35
  SPEAKER_10: I was shocked that Florida, uh, I thought, you know, they were they were on a roll.
• 12:40
  SPEAKER_10: They're gonna previous, I think the previous four games, they were um they had averaged 53 points per game.
• 12:48
  SPEAKER_10: And just their offense was on such a roll in Missouri and and Coach Drinkowitz, who had not beaten a ranked SEC team, he was 0-16.
• 12:59
  SPEAKER_10: So all the numbers led that Florida's gonna go into Columbia, they're gonna take care of this, or whatever.
• 13:04
  SPEAKER_10: You know, in this game, bud, you gotta be ready to play every day, right?
• 13:08
  SPEAKER_02: You can't yeah, every day.
• 13:09
  SPEAKER_02: And you know, like we said, on the on the one end, you lose a tough game, and then to to uh bounce back, once you start having success, uh you know, being able to focus and not and and block out all the things they're telling how great you are, and all of a sudden they jump from nowhere to eighth in the country and they're rolling, and you know, and um yeah, you can't about the time you start thinking you're feeling good about yourself is when you go get your tail knocked off.
• 13:40
  SPEAKER_09: Yeah.
• 13:41
  SPEAKER_02: That was a great lesson for those guys right there, and and because that's the case.
• 13:46
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, you can't in this day and age, man, you gotta be ready, like you said, you gotta be ready to play the time you strap it up.
• 13:53
  SPEAKER_10: I think um, I think the quote is the famous quote the uh the pats on the back are just a few vertebrae from where you're gonna get kicked.
• 14:01
  SPEAKER_10: I think something like that.
• 14:03
  SPEAKER_10: That's a pair, that's a paraphrase.
• 14:05
  SPEAKER_02: So that's a good statement.
• 14:07
  SPEAKER_10: Yeah, and then of course, Virginia went down to Tallahassee, led seven-nothing, and then that game got away.
• 14:13
  SPEAKER_10: And uh Coach Speak from uh Virginia head coach Tony Elliott.
• 14:16
  SPEAKER_03: Uh everybody's got ownership, and you know that the challenge is just for all of us to to take the accountability necessary so that we can go work on it and fix it.
• 14:23
  SPEAKER_03: And uh there's also a lot of pictures of them doing good too.
• 14:26
  SPEAKER_03: So we gotta we gotta make sure that that we don't throw the baby out with the bathwater and think that everything is lost.
• 14:31
  SPEAKER_10: Yeah, and teaching we call that the sandwich method.
• 14:33
  SPEAKER_10: Hey, you really did a great job.
• 14:35
  SPEAKER_10: Oh, by the way, you stunk and we gotta fix this.
• 14:38
  SPEAKER_10: But other than that, you're still a good player.
• 14:40
  SPEAKER_10: That's the that's the sandwich method.
• 14:43
  SPEAKER_02: So uh well, the cool thing is about college football right now.
• 14:46
  SPEAKER_02: What we're not even halfway through the season, right?
• 14:49
  SPEAKER_02: We're getting close.
• 14:50
  SPEAKER_02: We're we're we're getting close for a game, but right now is from this stretch on.
• 14:56
  SPEAKER_02: Um, I mean, you're talking about big time conference games each and every week, you know, and uh that are gonna have big playoff uh, you know, uh situation games and play, you know, that type of it just it's it's gonna be uh a lot of football left to play, a lot of big games left to play.
• 15:15
  SPEAKER_02: So it's an exciting time, you know, right now as we move forward the week.
• 15:19
  SPEAKER_10: It is well said.
• 15:20
  SPEAKER_10: All right, when we come back, 42 years in college athletics, his final 18 years of Virginia Tech.
• 15:27
  SPEAKER_10: He coached at VMI Marshall, UVA, Maryland, and Carolina.
• 15:31
  SPEAKER_10: He went to Virginia Tech in 1996.
• 15:33
  SPEAKER_10: Jim Kavanaugh is our guest.
• 15:35
  SPEAKER_10: He played under Lou Holtz at William and Mary and then uh was a grad assistant at North Carolina State with Lou.
• 15:41
  SPEAKER_10: Uh Jim Kavanaugh, a legend in this state as far as coaching, and he is our guest next when we come back.
• 15:48
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  SPEAKER_10: Played at William and Mary 42 years in college athletics.
• 17:39
  SPEAKER_10: Uh his final 18.
• 17:41
  SPEAKER_10: Uh he was at uh Virginia Tech, VMI Marshall, UVA Maryland.
• 17:45
  SPEAKER_10: I could go on and on and on.
• 17:46
  SPEAKER_10: It would take me forever, and I don't want to take time away from him, uh, but one of the top recruiters in the industry.
• 17:52
  SPEAKER_10: So, bud, I'm gonna open the door for you because this is one living legend.
• 17:57
  SPEAKER_10: Jim Kavanaugh, one of the best.
• 17:58
  SPEAKER_02: And one of my good friends, and uh, like you said, we worked together for she's Kev, I don't know, 18 years.
• 18:06
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, I don't know how many years we were at tech.
• 18:07
  SPEAKER_02: We were you were there, you came in with Charlie and were with me.
• 18:11
  SPEAKER_02: Well, not the final four years, so what uh 20, 23 years together.
• 18:18
  SPEAKER_02: Um and um just had uh had a great run.
• 18:22
  SPEAKER_02: But I'm just saying this, Mac, and with Kev being on on the show, you know, one of the great college football coaches, you mentioned that, one of the top recruiters, and and I'm just saying the best evaluator of talent that I have ever been around.
• 18:39
  SPEAKER_02: And I mean, we'll talk about it here in a in a minute, but the who's who of who he's recruited, and uh, you know, at the different places he's on both sides of the ball.
• 18:52
  SPEAKER_02: But Cab was my truth teller.
• 18:54
  SPEAKER_02: Let me just tell this quick story about Cab with me as a defensive coordinator, because Caleb was always on the offensive side of the ball until he came to with us.
• 19:03
  SPEAKER_02: And um, so when I was we were designing a defensive game plan each and every week, I you know, we were done, but then I was always trying to say, hey, do I have enough, you know, do I have enough tools in my toolbox?
• 19:18
  SPEAKER_02: You know, do I need to add one more defense?
• 19:19
  SPEAKER_02: Do I need to have one more blitz?
• 19:21
  SPEAKER_02: Usually that's what one more blitz, and Cab's like, bud, no, we're we're good right now, you know.
• 19:26
  SPEAKER_02: And he was always like, You've got enough, we just got to go execute, which he was always good about that.
• 19:32
  SPEAKER_02: But no, Cav is um, you know, he was instrumental for us in recruiting Mike Vick and was the lead recruiter there.
• 19:40
  SPEAKER_02: So as we lead into this, I want to welcome Cav and then we'll dive into this uh Mike Vick recruiting.
• 19:47
  SPEAKER_02: But Cav, welcome to the show, bud.
• 19:49
  SPEAKER_02: It's good to see your face.
• 19:50
  SPEAKER_02: I know we've talked several times, I know all during over uh period of time, but it's good to see your your your face again, brother.
• 19:58
  SPEAKER_06: Well, thank you.
• 19:59
  SPEAKER_06: Yeah, it's I uh I always enjoy these.
• 20:02
  SPEAKER_06: I I get all your uh I've been I've seen all the podcasts uh that I you know I uh get on my phone.
• 20:11
  SPEAKER_06: But yeah, I I I had a lot of I once had a coach I was a GA at NC State in 1972, and there was a coach there on defense, Coach Michaels, Al Michaels.
• 20:28
  SPEAKER_06: Different from the guy who coached the Jets, they had the same name.
• 20:32
  SPEAKER_06: But Coach Mike we used to call him I uh young and I call it young dominant, but I uh I was eager.
• 20:42
  SPEAKER_06: I was eager, and I said, uh Coach Mike, you've been doing this he was at Penn State under Rip Angle, and then he came to Pancy State under uh Earl Edwards, and I said, you know, the coaching part what about this recruiting part?
• 21:00
  SPEAKER_06: And he said he goes he said you better be able to recruit.
• 21:06
  SPEAKER_06: He says, These good players will make you a good coach.
• 21:11
  SPEAKER_06: All these schemes that you see we have on our blackboards and Holtz was uh the head coach, and uh and he was running a switchback beer at the time, and so uh coach Mike uh was the D guy, and uh he said you you need players, they execute a heck of a lot better than non-players.
• 21:38
  SPEAKER_06: Uh and he said one thing he said if you think a kid cannot play if you have hesitation, he always used to say move on.
• 21:50
  SPEAKER_06: And uh because he said that guy, you recruit that guy, that you know it's hard now.
• 21:58
  SPEAKER_06: Don't get me wrong, I mean certainly.
• 22:00
  SPEAKER_06: guys don't show up on film or and uh you know but if they have if they can move if they can run or and be athletic you can find a spot for them he said we and he said do not pigeonhole these high school kids when they come up this one kid might have been a good receiver or a good quarterback in high school but he could be a heck of a a defensive safety you know another thing was you know with the size of kids you know these big tight ends who uh don't run run four seven or four eight but maybe run five one you get them up to two eighty and now that you got your heck of an offensive tackle and so uh uh that was the um advice he gave me with the recruiting and then uh uh as far as uh you know being part of a staff and stuff he said uh be who you are I said well you know I'm from New York City and I'm not afraid to ask questions and some people uh my wife uh most included you know said I have a tendency to be a pain in the ass pardon my language but um in all seriousness you know I was not afraid uh now Bud did a great job uh because I know I I I bugged him at different times asking about certain techniques which was you know to play his schemes and stuff and uh uh but uh and he was always patient with me.
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  SPEAKER_06: But I do think you can you know it helped to be on one side of the ball and then you see things through a little bit different lens.
• 23:59
  SPEAKER_06: And I always enjoyed you know I talked to uh Greg Nassau uh I didn't talk to Greg I we've been texting each other and uh his father's down here at the watch and uh apparently he uh he used a couple of my I have a couple of well I got about twenty five of them sayings that I used to use.
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  SPEAKER_06: The kids used to b bust my chops at the players, you know, repeating them and stuff.
• 24:30
  SPEAKER_06: And uh some of them are rather vulgar.
• 24:33
  SPEAKER_06: I got a kick out of the the Graden of Salle, Draeger, all these offensive line guys I used to bust their chops all the time, you know and so now and so many years later, you know it's funny uh they don't talk X's and O's or football or the games.
• 24:54
  SPEAKER_06: They talk about what happens on the practice field, you know, or in the meeting room.
• 24:58
  SPEAKER_06: And then the recruiting part would but I appreciate your comments there, but you know that just sort of I like to talk.
• 25:07
  SPEAKER_06: So and you know being at the at uh William and Mary all those years uh so I knew a lot of people especially in Tidewater.
• 25:18
  SPEAKER_06: I coach I met uh I coached high school ball in Tidewater.
• 25:22
  SPEAKER_06: I did my student teaching down there.
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  SPEAKER_06: So I knew a lot of people and uh and then one thing led to another and you know it was always I always had a part of Virginia in whatever schools I was at five different ACC schools.
• 25:42
  SPEAKER_02: I I always had a um uh part of Virginia whether it was I I first met Bed uh Bud rather in northern Virginia I had the Beltway schools and then I went down 95 into Richmond and uh when I was at Maryland and so I get you know I got to know uh Bud uh go out I'm gonna interrupt right there because that's where we first met Mac so where was that where was that I'm I'm a green here I come from Murray State I'm 27 years old I'm I'm actually it's at uh I think it's at Langley High School right Kev Brett Boley Boley it was Brett Bowley was the tight end that's correct and you guys got him and I'm trying to you know I just come in and you know I'm wearing a sports coat now that's how you used to do it back in the day Mac you wore now coaches don't do that they're wearing three quarter zips or polos and you know they're trying to be cool where we were very professional but Kev from that moment on I will say this treated me with total respect and you know and we'd cross paths and um you know that's where our relationship started and then she's I don't know how many years later then uh we have an opportunity to hire him and uh and obviously he'd been on the offensive side but his uh just his reputation as a recruiter was second to none and actually we had a couple of positions open we hired Cav first then we hired Charlie Wiles on that staff and came in after the 95 season and we went to the sugar or the Orange Bowl um and won the big east that Cav's first year but uh um really that's where we kind of met and started our our career together uh and and he was just one of the first guy I met on the road you know how about that yeah 1987 yeah that's I hey I hope I didn't stunt your growth you know I don't think so I don't think but I will say this once we after we break here I do want to get involved get you to talk about you know Mike Vick obviously Mike made a tremendous impact in our program here your relationship with Mike Smith I think that's an interesting story in itself because Mike was a unique character at the time and was not a fan of Virginia Tech at that time and you smoothed things over but when we come back from break I'd I'd like you to talk about um recruiting Mike and that process and you know if you don't mind doing that.
• 28:27
  SPEAKER_06: No problem at all I it's an interesting tale.
• 28:31
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• 28:37
  SPEAKER_10: You just mentioned his name and it's it's Cav.
• 28:39
  SPEAKER_10: Jim Kavanaugh is uh with us and we'll go to break and we'll come right back.
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  SPEAKER_02: Foster and Friends is presented by the River City Distillery in Radford makers of Winbaka and gentlemen's journey bourbon once again here's Bud and Mac welcome Foster and Friends a true legend spending time with us today 42 years in college athletics Jim Kavanaugh who uh was a player a really good player uh an all-American of William and Mary and then uh uh and really coached with a lot of good people I did not coach with uh Welch oh Dick Bestwick I was bestwick I was on bestwick last staff uh what had happened uh but I got hired by Dave Brain Brain got me on that staff and uh I knew it was a short-lived pot uh thing but I wanted to stay in college uh football so I knew we were on thin ice so and one I made one of my um most famous statements when I was there at a staff meeting I think bestwick wanted to fire me right on the spot but he didn't have a he didn't have a chance to uh do that and this was 1981 I'd started in college coaching in uh uh 72 so anyhow uh uh bestwick we're struggling and we're playing all these young kids beswick is re uh redshirting a bunch of kids too Beswick was a good recruiter and the staff we had a good staff situations are what they are so he's redshirting all these freshmen and we're in a staff meeting and I go uh I said coach we need to play these young guys we if we infuse some of these young guys they'll be better you know at three or four games than the guys we're playing we got a few shoemakers we're playing and these guys can run can run now they they may not know everything what's going on but that's our job that's why we gotta whistle and uh you know we gotta coach them up you know absolutely here's where the room went quiet when I said this one of my infamous not famous infamous statements I go coach Besswick we're gonna be redshirting this all these freshmen for the next staff at the time we had 20 something freshmen redshirted but we also had 10 or 11 I can't remember injury redshirts because when kids got hurt early in the season you know upperclassmen he wanted to redshirt them too which was fine if we had enough good players like I said shoemakers was a good uh way to uh describe some of these old boys uh and we had some great players too don't misunderstand me but we didn't have enough and we're redshirting all these good guys uh and I said that you know and then he he he didn't take too kindly to it I can understand to a degree yeah he was my first football coach when I got there at a 27 year old broadcaster so and bud correct me if I'm wrong redshirting 15 20 guys was kind of the norm wasn't it isn't that what staffs want yeah most you probably redshirted at that time back in you know the I mean in Cavs even in the 70s and uh oh yeah you know but and for even when I was playing but you know particularly started coaching you redshirted majority of your team you know you might have a couple guys play particularly more towards the 90s you started probably late 80s early 90s you might start seeing a receiver or a running back or you know that type of thing but most you most redshirted everybody to develop you know and that was part of the thing as we go into this segment with Mike Vic.
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  SPEAKER_06: That was one of the stipulations with Mike was right that Tommy Riemann wanted Mike to red shirt and uh because he felt like he needed a year to develop and we yeah go through that process with with uh Vic uh recruitment if you don't mind you know I always went there to recruit and uh in fact with the Vic kid I I went over there I remember seeing uh the Ronald uh Ronald Curry I remember seeing him when he was young and he was playing he was a Ronald Curry was a heck of a safety yeah he was I uh but I'm in North at the time now I'm in North Carolina recruiting Tidewater and these two kids they're both they're the schools are closed together they're the two uh it was their Mike's sophomore year so Ronald was sophomore but Ronald got all this publicity because of hoops and stuff uh I go I'm recruiting a defensive end at Ferguson High School this is before it got closed and I I spend a Friday night and I gotta hump it down to Chapel Hill for the next uh that after the game that night well I get there and I watch the I watch the game and Mike says there's this lefty running all over the field it's Mike Tommy and I talk uh and I said who is that lefty quarterback I said he was phenomenal because he didn't have much of a line so he's running for his life and then he's just flicking the ball this you know and I ended up not liking the tight the tight end was okay you know but I I don't need to go out of state for an okay guy you know I said well I'm gonna be you're gonna see a lot of me and and Curry I and I'm in North Carolina now and Phil Ford is on the basketball staff so I know about uh you know the curry thing too but I was you know always one never to uh cut anybody out you know no matter what so I'm gonna uh I'm gonna recruit this Vic kid lo and behold Mac Brown and I Mac gets tired of my stuff so uh what'd you tell Mac Brown that you were recruiting for the next staff?
• 36:37
  SPEAKER_10: Did you use that same line with uh no but there I question Mac.
• 36:43
  SPEAKER_06: I I did something probably um stupid but I'd do it again if I had to so I was you know and then Bud explained some of the things so so I'm at a different school and I know there were different people be recruiting we were recruiting several quarterbacks at that time.
• 37:03
  SPEAKER_02: In fact we brought in three the year of Mike but uh Mike didn't Mike was very uh short of himself and uh Pascalone up there at Syracuse he tried this uh thing he told Mike he says well you know you're just one of three quarterbacks that uh Virginia Techs bringing in Michael s said I don't care if they bring five ten I'm gonna be the quarterback he was confident yeah oh yeah we had something like fifteen sixteen guys uh at Ferguson high school from all around the country recruiting Mike and I'll never forget the guy from Southern Cal when Tommy says he's got it narrowed down to this and he mentioned us first the g Southern cow cow guy says something Virginia Tech what are you kidding me some and you know and then all these people there turn and look at me and I and then I raise my hand I'm from Virginia Tech sir so anyhow Tommy trusted me so that helped uh a lot in front especially in front of all those people and all that thing and I always thought when I was a we married that tech was a sleeping giant I always thought they could really win big so yeah I l I love the play I like my kids my uh son was already in apps at app and my daughter went to tech she married a hokey and um in spite of me so uh uh yeah everything went uh was it was great place that's great stuff great stuff well coach we can't thank you enough for spending a few minutes and uh bud told me last week he said you know we we need to catch up with with big cav uh and uh and Jim Kavanaugh and I said yeah yeah because it's been you know it's been a ton of years so uh thank you so much and thank you so much for everything you gave college athletics you know and and you gave to Bud's career and to Tac and to everybody we just you are you are truly one of those legends that we talk about all the time well thank you very much for all the kind words and uh make sure you tell uh all the hokies there bud you know I will I will Cab and I'm gonna say this Mac here's just to follow up on that sure you know Cav's one of those guys we don't have an assistant coach's Hall of Fame you know and uh but Cav's been recognized by the state of Virginia of the Dudley Awards with the Tate Award and just for his service in college athletics particularly in the state of Virginia but he is definitely like you said one of the legends and the guy that when they do and if they ever do a hall of fame for assistant coaches he'll definitely be one of those guys that's gonna be recognized that way one of the great coaches and one of the great recruiters and just one of the great people in in in the industry.
• 40:12
  SPEAKER_10: So Gav it's great seeing you and look forward to seeing you again here real soon buddy I know hey you take care you look good both you and I'm glad we got this yeah you probably could use a little more hair there man yeah a little bit for sure so thanks coach I I got my gray hair I'm jealous I'm very jealous I'd rather have gray than nay yeah that's true no I'm just okay that's okay all right coach talk soon the great great Jim Kavanaugh honorable mention all American and William and Mary and uh as I said the resume well we we gave it to you a minute ago but and I come back we close up shop foster and friends NSB Radio Network hi this is Bud Foster co-host of Foster and Friends and former Virginia Tech football coach when I brought the famed Lunchpale to our team it symbolized teamwork the word win stood for what's important now.
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• 44:00
  SPEAKER_10: A minute ago.
• 44:01
  SPEAKER_10: Each week, very, very important as far as you know, if you've got some goals at the end of the season, each week it's game by game, right?
• 44:09
  SPEAKER_02: Game by game, as we just saw this last week, and in some games, I mean, there's a fine line in winning and losing, you know.
• 44:15
  SPEAKER_02: And uh, but yeah, I I mean this is gonna be a an uh an interesting you know trip.
• 44:23
  SPEAKER_02: And I I'm like I said, I'm I makes this experience the whole thing.
• 44:28
  SPEAKER_02: Tasting some good wine, uh getting uh getting a chance to see uh uh something, you know, the University of California campus and all their facilities and things of that nature, and then watching the Hokies play, you know.
• 44:43
  SPEAKER_02: It should be a fun experience and looking forward to it.
• 44:46
  SPEAKER_02: And I hope the game turns out.
• 44:47
  SPEAKER_02: I know, like I said, we're recording this beforehand, but uh uh I've been out there when we played Stanford a couple years ago, so I've got a familiarity with the area a little bit, but uh never been to Cal Berkeley though.
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  SPEAKER_02: You know, I'm gonna say that.
• 44:59
  SPEAKER_02: Never been to Cal.
• 45:00
  SPEAKER_10: There'll probably be a couple of parties out there, probably a couple of pretty good bands, I'm guessing.
• 45:05
  SPEAKER_02: I'm thinking that I'm thinking that.
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  SPEAKER_10: Well, I'm gonna close with this story because I thought that you would uh you would enjoy this because you are in a you know, you're fundraising, you're shaking a lot of hands, you're doing different things, and so maybe uh this is an area.
• 45:22
  SPEAKER_10: I read this week that the University of Nebraska is telling its die-hard football fans that they're gonna put them to the test.
• 45:31
  SPEAKER_10: Nebraska fans can purchase one of the mini urinal troughs from Memorial Stadium after the team finishes this year and the the season ends.
• 45:43
  SPEAKER_10: You can buy a urinal trough for your house, three thousand dollars a piece.
• 45:57
  SPEAKER_10: I just I saw that, I said, maybe Bud would like a little fundraising idea.
• 46:01
  SPEAKER_02: So we're getting ready to redo the whole stadium.
• 46:04
  SPEAKER_02: My God, I mean, you know.
• 46:07
  SPEAKER_02: I I will say this, and just to having my own, I couldn't mind probably having a urinal somewhere where I could just, you know, maybe outside.
• 46:16
  SPEAKER_02: I'd like to get you know, outside at uh at the lake.
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  SPEAKER_02: Maybe I could uh you know, something like that.
• 46:21
  SPEAKER_02: We're gonna use it.
• 46:22
  SPEAKER_10: One of the great one of the great stories of all time was when Debbie Ryan was coaching at Virginia and they didn't have locker rooms for the women's uh basketball team.
• 46:31
  SPEAKER_10: So they they put them in a locker room.
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  SPEAKER_10: There was a guy's locker room, so all the women took all the urinals on the wall and they put flowers in them and they decorated the that goes back a number of years.
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  SPEAKER_10: Hey, have a good trip.
• 46:44
  SPEAKER_10: We'll talk to you when you get back.
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  SPEAKER_10: Uh next week.
• 46:47
  SPEAKER_10: Uh, we if we get it all put together, all I can say is it's gonna be a pleasant surprise and somebody that you're really gonna get a kick out of uh listening to.
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  SPEAKER_10: So have a great trip.
• 46:56
  SPEAKER_10: Bring back a dub, okay?
• 46:58
  SPEAKER_02: Thank you, Mac.
• 46:59
  SPEAKER_02: You have a great weekend, my friend.
• 47:00
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• 47:11
  SPEAKER_05: Internally, I have to help our guys just understand, hey, how do we get on the other side of this?
• 47:15
  SPEAKER_05: It's not for the faint of heart.
• 47:16
  SPEAKER_05: It's not, hey, it's okay to lose.
• 47:18
  SPEAKER_05: It's not.
• 47:20
  SPEAKER_05: It's not okay to lose ever.
• 47:21
  SPEAKER_05: But it's also helping them understand, hey, where do we have to grow?
• 47:25
  SPEAKER_05: Let's keep growing.
• 47:25
  SPEAKER_05: Let's put our head down and go back to work.
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