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WORST LOSS OF THE HARBAUGH ERA? | Chargers vs Cardinals Recap · The Thunder Down Under Chargers Podcast

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Who's got it better than that? No way! Robert
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is being chased, thrown on the lawn, and it is
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caught! Touchdown! Keenan Allen! What a great
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goal! My goal is not to break, my goal is to
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make you harder to break. Number six! Number
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six! Grab your lunchboxes and go attack this
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game with an enthusiasm unknown to mankind! Three
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in 14 Cardinals, they said. Justin Herbert's
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an MVP candidate, they said. Chris O 'Leary's
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a bright defensive mind, they said. Well, they're
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all liars! They never told us Mike Le Fleur is
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the next Sean McVay, Jack. And they never told
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us that Trey McBride is a future NFL Hall of
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Famer. Well, maybe, maybe you did, Jack. Welcome
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to the Thunderdown Under Chargers podcast, everybody.
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Don't have Andy this week. He's away on an overseas
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holiday with his family. Have a great time, mate.
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I hope you're listening to this at the buffet,
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breakfast or at the pool. It's just Jack and
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I. and we're going to work our way through our
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Feelings TDU crew. Before we do, hit like and
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subscribe. We're into another season. But Jack,
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not the start we wanted. Is it the worst loss
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of the Jim Harbour era? Oh, man. I was maybe
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thinking that I should put some of the audio
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that I sent in our offline chat. when unceremoniously
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the scores got revealed on my phone through a
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notification that I thought I turned off. But
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no, I'm sitting in my car after, you know, waiting
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to turn out of the car park at work and I've
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just exploded. I've exploded on the group chat
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and I can't share that. I can't even put it on
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people's ears. But yeah, I'm really disappointed.
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And yes, I would say. Listen, I think the game
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against the Patriots and it was probably the
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worst game, the worst loss that I can remember
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purely because we made the playoffs. We had a
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pretty good season and we laid an egg, but the
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context here does make, does put this up there
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with one of the worst losses of Harbaugh's career.
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I, you know, what can you control? You can control
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the controllables. You can control how you prepare.
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And before we get into it, I just felt the whole
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game. We just weren't ready. We just didn't look
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ready across all three phases. Some better than
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others, which we'll get into, but I am extremely
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disappointed. And gosh, this game against the
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Raiders, which we'll get into on our other show,
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is just so much more important than it was a
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week ago. Certainly is. I mean, per ESPN, a Harbour
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led Chargers team have never lost a game in which
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they were plus six. point favorites in terms
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of the line from six games. So this was a surprise.
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The betting markets favored the team by more
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than a score. As you said, one game was sharp.
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So one team was sharp on all sides of the ball.
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The other was an ish. And the question is, is
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this, is this a preparation issue? Do you think
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they should have, I mean, Harbaugh now says should
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the starters have played more in the preseason?
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Um, should we have trained differently? What
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do you think about that? Without being in the
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building, it's impossible to say. And all you
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can do is speculate, but clearly you don't really
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come out in the media. I wouldn't anyway. And
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then perhaps question my preparation and say,
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well, maybe we should have played the starters
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a little more if I wasn't actually being a little
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bit truthful. social media has gone into overdrive
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and the amount of Herbert's slander, perhaps
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something a little bit coming from our own, you
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know, TDU film today, Alistair, the TDU, the
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slander of Justin Herbert. But yeah, and Charlie
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Cola's press conference after the game, I think
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was actually really refreshing to hear a very
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erudite and smart guy just said it wasn't good
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enough. And you could see that he was clearly
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annoyed. I mean, the guy didn't have a stat.
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The guy didn't catch the ball. The guy, you know,
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Oh, my hardly did anything. He did a bit of blocking.
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But yeah, trouble. This is trouble. I'm deeply
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troubled about a couple of things that I'm sure
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we'll get into in a second. Yeah. Why do we start
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the game? Usually we go in all sorts of different
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directions, but since the game started with two
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touchdown drives Let's start there and let's
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start the way the game did Chris O 'Leary in
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his first NFL game as a defensive coordinator
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the 34 year old comes out and What do the Cardinals
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do Jack they just slowly? matriculate the ball
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down the field an 11 play six minutes and 11
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second touchdown drive from the very first snap
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of the game 27 yard completion to Trey McBride
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split safety with a late cover three rotation,
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leaving that same wide open the Cardinals attacked
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it. What were your impressions on on that first
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drive on the rewatch? What were you thinking
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and seeing out there? I like defense. So you
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mean the Arizona Cardinals first, first drive?
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Yeah, our defense. Yeah. Again, it just looked
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very underwhelming. It's really hard because
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I was trying to recollect in my mind what Minters
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defense was. And arguably, you could almost say
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that Minters defense was, was underwhelming to,
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to a point it, it wasn't a particularly splashy
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defense. You know, the, the pass rush did its
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job. It was just the, obviously the pattern match
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and the coverage, the guys just knew exactly
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what to do. But I have never seen the middle
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of the field more open in a Chargers defense
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since possibly the days of Brandon Staley. Jacoby
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Brissette just picked it apart. He picked the
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absolute donkey ass out of it. And the one thing
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that we did say on our preview show is to stop
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Trey McBride, right? But the guy has nine catches
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for 100 yards and one touchdown. And arguably,
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Derwin James throughout the game. Yes, the yards
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don't look a lot. I think it was five catches
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27 yards for one touchdown But he was there all
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day Trey McBride and he was getting open and
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open and that you know led born to being open
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Wilson gets open, you know because We were obviously
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blitzing. I don't know. What was the blitz rate?
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Alistair? What did you see? What did you see
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and why was the middle of the field? So open
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the way it was and so early it was just and it
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didn't didn't stop up nothing changed which is
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a bit worrying i'm what i thought was more worrying
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is i thought things did change and why i'm concerned
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at least later in the game at least later in
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the game it just it felt to me like the cardinals
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just had a very clear read on what o 'leary's
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tendencies would be in particular whenever whenever
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it was a a longer down and distance Chris O 'Leary
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likes getting aggressive. He likes sending a
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minimum of five sometimes six. We even saw seven
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once and I think Michael Fleur I mean and Brissette
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between the two of them. They were masterful.
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They were One when the when we were playing either
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Phi zones or or zone coverages generally they
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knew who to read they knew Which overhang defender
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to read or if it was the late rotating safety
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where where? to read, to give away a tell. And
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as soon as they did, they just hit over the behind
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that dropping defender into the vacant soft spot
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underneath. Conversely, they took their calculated
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shots whenever the the charges did blitz and
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play man coverage behind it. And to answer your
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question, it was about 33 % of the time Chris
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O 'Leary blitzed, but the first half would have
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been much, much higher because later in the game,
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he gave up on it. But whenever we came hard on
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the blitz and decided to play man coverage down
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the back end, I just don't know if the Chargers
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have the cornerbacks who can really play that
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style consistently. And you saw one example where
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the Cardinals don't have a shortage of weapons,
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as we discussed on our show last week, and Brissette,
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on one of them, bite at his time, saw Marvin
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Harrison Jr. up the left sideline, and it was
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that 33 -yard completion to Cam Hutt. Yeah, yeah.
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So it was a bit, what I was concerned about is
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to me, it didn't really matter what we were doing.
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It was either we're playing zone coverage and
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suddenly they knew where to pick apart these
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different holes in the underneath because maybe
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we don't have the world's best linebackers to
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be completely honest, or it's tight man coverage.
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And then they said, you know what? Michael Wilson's
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a really good player and so is Tray McBride and
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so is Marv Harrison Jr. Try stop us in man coverage.
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Is Marvin Harrison Jr. a good player? Come on,
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trust the charges to give Marvin Harrison Jr.
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the guy with bricks for hands in preseason, a
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get right game. Yep. My Lord. So is this, are
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we now questioning this continuity? Because in
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the preseason, most fans were going, Oh, you
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know, it's great. O 'Leary worked under Minter,
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Minters left, you know, O 'Leary went, was a
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play caller. Now he's come back. It's not going
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to be that different. It really did feel different.
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And if you're saying that you saw a little bit
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of essentially, we're not good enough in the
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cornerback room. And that was one of the rooms
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we did kind of pick out in our preseason shows
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that was relatively thin. And Minter was making
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was making gold with pretty much lead, especially
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those later fourth and fifth round cornerbacks,
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because he kind of knew what he had all of a
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sudden, O 'Leary's asking these guys to do something
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different. And they're really, really struggling.
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It might not be part of their, you know, their
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DNA. I mean, listen, it's one game in, right?
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So I think now though, they've got to be serious
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questions over the actual continuity between
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O 'Leary and Minter and whether actually they're
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quite different in what they want to do. What
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say you to that? Did you say after watching a
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lot of Minter last year in the last couple of
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years, do you reckon O 'Leary is actually quite
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different to him? At least in the first game
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he was and to really simplify it. I mean, you'll
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still see some of the same quarters structure
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from time to time. There are elements of the
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Minta defense in what O 'Leary is doing. But
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to oversimplify things, O 'Leary seems like he's
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a defensive coordinator who is going to do a
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better job at stopping the run. You're going
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to deal with more explosive passes. And Minta
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was the opposite. He said, you're not going to
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see explosive passes. You're going to see really
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tight coverage on the back end and we'll rally
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to tackle because we're going to force you to
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throw underneath. But from time to time, you
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may get frustrated against a team like the Colts
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or the Jags or a good power running team, because
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we're a bit light in the box. So I think you've
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got to decide which you get more frustrated by
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as a fan. And my view has always been in the
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modern NFL, you notice it when you can't defend
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the pass a lot more than when you can't defend
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the run. And in this game, because of the gash
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plays. Yeah, yeah, they just it's just too easy
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to move the ball up and down the field. And in
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this game, if you just Look at it. I think we
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kept the Cardinals to under four yards a carry
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for the, by the end of the game. Guys up front
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played relatively well against the run. I thought
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Tartt and Cordwell and Tomlinson. Interior was
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really good. I thought, yep. They were really
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active, but, but geez, Jack, how many times did
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you just say easy completions over the middle
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of the field? 10, 15 yards. And let's be honest,
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the pass rush was impotent. It was impotent,
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and really disappointingly so. But, you know,
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Tully didn't look amazing. Mack didn't look great
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either. Mesodore was on there for a little bit,
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but we just weren't getting pressure on him.
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And, you know, going into the game that Brissette
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is a veteran, right? The guy actually played
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relatively well in a pretty poor team. And we
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picked that out a week ago and said, dude, he's
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quite fantastically. Well, I can't even tell
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you too bad. You couldn't play it like an elite
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NFL quarterback would not have played better
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than reset did really in that game. He's gone
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to 75%. Didn't make a single error. And he had
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the answers to the test. He just knew what was
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going to happen. Although it does help when you're
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only under pressure on 25 % of your drop backs,
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just. Correcting signs, man. Correct. I must
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admit to sort of have a positive where you did
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touch on it, but I thought the interior of the,
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the, the defensive line, you're right. Whenever
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I saw love try to bust one out, I really felt
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that there were quite a lot of bodies there that
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they'd read it relatively well. Uh, but the,
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the edges, man, just, you got, we got to get
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more, we got to get more pressure on there. Like
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we've got to be asking Tully and Mac and Meza.
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You've got to do better. I'm sorry. I know that
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they were great last year and we don't want to
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criticize Khalil Mack too much, but that that
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just can't be happening. And if O 'Leary knows
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that maybe he's not going to get a lot of pressure
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out of his edge room. And so we sending Diane
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Henley and he's blitzing linebackers and we get
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pulled apart like that because what I'm just
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looking at our the coverage grades from PFF.
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I think Tony Jefferson had a great game. Genesis
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Smith looked really good too, deep. And Elijah
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Maldon played quite well too. But Cam Hart, Dermot
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James, Henley, Dante Jackson, they're sort of
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hovering around 60 PFF grade and below, and their
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coverage grades aren't much better either. Cam
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Hart especially had a... Yeah, a rough, rough
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game, um, allowing 70 yards for five catches
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on six targets. That's, that's Le Fleur going,
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I'm going to wipe Le Fleur with you, Le Cam,
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sucked in. It wasn't intense on the sideline,
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Jack. Oh yeah. He was there. I think we talked
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offline about it, but there was some, I think,
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was it a flag or something? And he was just going
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down the sideline and he was going, shut the
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F up. shut the F up to, to whatever charges players
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was in earshot. I love that. I actually love
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that. That's also quite likable. Maybe you won't
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be, they kept shooting to his mom and dad watching
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in the stands. And I thought this would be such
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a great moment from for their family. Terrible
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for me and mine. I haven't spoken to my wife
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or daughter for three days, but, but for the
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Leclerc family, quite a good one. I was going
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to say on your point, Jack, if I was If I was
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Chris O 'Leary right now, other than thinking
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about flying to Western Michigan, I would be
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thinking, what do I do here? Because I don't
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know if I've got the players who are skillful
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enough to blitz really aggressively all the corners
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to cover. I'm worried that my pattern match style
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of defense the soft spots are predictable the
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tapes out there it's known so maybe we actually
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need to simplify simplify instead of rotating
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from two to one pre and post snap and one to
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two and inverted cover two maybe we dumb it right
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down and play some more true zone coverage but
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then if you're doing that You can really only
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do that if you've got a pass rush, because otherwise
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it's even easier for the quarterback. And we've
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got Tully who seems underdone. There are a couple
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of reps where he failed to set the edge. The
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Jeremiah Love touchdown and the Jeremiah Love
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18 yard run were both Tully getting a little
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bit inside and not realizing he should set outside
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in. Mezador had some of the bad out of hell playing
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style I marked down as a question mark. Off his
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college tape. He played with a lot of effort,
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but I thought He liked a bit of technical refinement
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and it will come with time Khalil Mack occasionally
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bull rushed but he's not getting any younger.
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So Yeah, I had some long sleepless nights for
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Chris O 'Leary not only trying to find the positives
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in this game, Jack. And I agree the decision
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to start Genesis Smith over RJ Mickens was one
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of those. I thought that was a good decision
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to get the undying in there with a higher upside.
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But then other than some of these defensive tackles,
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it was as you said it perfectly. It was as bad
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as the Brandon Staley era and looked nothing
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like the Jesse Minter defense. Yeah. And in response
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to you saying, do you just simplify it? That's
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not a great message to send to your team after
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one week really, is it? And are we, are we, are
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we blowing this out of proportion? Let's, let's
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just on defensively. Are we, we, we, we had them
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14, 16, we're around the mark and there was some
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unlucky things. The charge is charging and listen,
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they only put up 23 points. Some defenses allowed
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50 plus points on the weekend. So I got a short
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field because of a blocked punt from JK Scott.
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they did. So we might be sort of, you know, taking
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the foundation, you know, under the house and
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then the whole thing collapsed before we've actually
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sort of figured out what's in the house, you
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know, before, and maybe make some better decisions,
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but it's not a carpenter just for the listeners.
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Definitely not. I try to be sometimes. I just
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let you go there. Yes. You're a man of many skills,
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a real polymath. But, but yeah, what And the
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other thing that I did want to bring up Alistair
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is, you know that Trey McBride, everyone knew
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where the ball was going. And time and time and
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again, we could rely on the highest paid member
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of the defence, the leader of the defence to
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go and stick in the slot, whether it's Travis
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Kelsey, whether it's whoever's is and go, hey,
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win this match up for us. We just need you take
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that away. They don't have much else. However,
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Le Fleur schemed it really well. I saw McBride
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in motion a lot of the times, putting pressure
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on the, on the backend coverage, who's going
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what, especially with a first time coordinator.
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Um, and yes, when you actually look at the stats,
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you know, when Derwin was on him, he only allowed
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57 yards, sorry, 27 yards on five catches, but
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it was just that rhythm, that rhythm, that rolling.
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And Derwin is an incredible player. I'm sure
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he was going to bounce back really well, but
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we move on to the Raiders who, who knows if Brock
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Bowers and Michael Mayer are playing, but Michael
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Mayer looked okay. And at the moment, the spam
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button on the PlayStation is over the middle
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tight end, over the middle tight end, over the
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middle tight end, then an out route because O
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'Leary's defense couldn't hack it. I felt for
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Derwin a bit though, because like a couple of
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those plays was just, Derwin's right there. He's
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in coverage. He's got body contact. Trey McBride's
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just better than you. Or he's maybe I'll say
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bigger and stronger. Ultimately, there is a size
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disadvantage when you've got a tight end on a
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safety. Derwin's unique that he can even do it,
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right? So that red zone touchdown was just a
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little bit of shimmy shake and then run out and
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he just had it and showed Derwin the ball and
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flipped it to the ref. And then that one out
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by the sideline. Same deal. Derwin was trying.
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Derwin even had a couple of moments, but McBride
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definitely Took home the chocolates in that matchup.
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Best tight end in the NFL by far. I absolutely
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love the guy. Yeah. He's so good. He's so, so
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good. Anyway, what are you going to say? So I
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think it's, it's good perspective from you to
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just take the step back, say it's week one, first
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time coordinator, new schemes. We will get to
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the offense very shortly. And I should remind
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myself of that perspective, because last year,
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in week one, the Seahawks and the Patriots both
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lost at home. Yeah, eventual Super Bowl contenders.
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So week one does turn up these odd results. Maybe
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part of it is a function of starters not playing
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as much in the preseason. But nevertheless, a
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lot of work to do. for the defense. Let us know
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what you think in the comments. Are you more
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optimistic than us or are you deeply, deeply
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concerned? I'm leaning more towards the ladder.
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Jack's maybe a bit more glass half full, but
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we'll find it next week. Yeah. There was some
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things there that, that worried me, but you just
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never know. You just never know. A week is a
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long time in football. And as Charlie Cole, I
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said, you're not a human being if you're not
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motivated by a loss like that. So let's leave
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it. Let's leave the defense there. All right.
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Onto the offense. Where do you want to start?
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Let's start with the, let's start with the first
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drive again, like we did on, on defense. Yeah.
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It was, I mean, you know, it looked good. I was
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excited. I was rolling around. I was going, okay,
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we've given up a touchdown. Ooh, but okay, now
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we can go here. Couple of big, um, couple, couple
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of big gashes, gushing runs. Hampton was running
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angry. Um, you know, Herbert looked in control.
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Uh, there was a bit of play action. You know,
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there was some sort of, I mean, lad McConkey
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looked elite and we'll talk about what happened
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to him later, but you know, we go down and score
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and you go, okay, we're back in this pretty happy.
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What about you? Yeah, Andy and I, and for the
21:55
listeners, Andy and I got away to the country
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for a night away to watch that game. Very romantic,
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except ruined a good date the way the Chargers
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played. But the first, hopefully most Chargers
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fans for the first drive and the second drive,
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we're watching this offense thinking, I've never
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seen a Chargers offense do this stuff for 10
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or 15 years. Everyone is wide open, especially
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off play action. McDaniel was just walking around
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with confidence, talking into his play sheet,
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you know, 15 yards here, explosive pass to McConkie
22:26
there, three in a row to McConkie, that were
22:28
just these 20 yard chucks. And then you'd see
22:31
the ball go to Gadsden and flip it to him for
22:33
25 yards. And then it'll go to David Najoku.
22:37
The question though is what actually happened?
22:41
And I don't want to talk about the quarterback
22:44
yet. I do think I do think is we'll get there.
22:48
We'll get their listeners. I do think there's
22:51
an element of of be confident in this offense
22:55
that they're going to get there because we have
22:58
an unlucky a Marion Hampton fumble. We have a
23:02
failed fourth down attempt. You know, this is
23:05
a game of margins, right? All of these things
23:07
equal points left on the board. You know, on
23:10
the defense, there was a missed interception
23:12
opportunity. We didn't even talk about that.
23:14
So so There are these fine margins in the game
23:17
and that's kind of just got a little bit more
23:20
momentum going for the Cardinals because we couldn't
23:23
stop them on defense and they had these really
23:25
long drives offensively. I feel like we lost
23:29
our mojo a little bit as a whole, don't you?
23:33
Especially at the wide receiver position after
23:35
McConkie went down, things got grim. Yeah, again,
23:40
I would really hope That we had built something
23:43
a little bit more substantial to when things
23:46
go wrong that were a little bit more resilient.
23:50
The team last year definitely was I definitely
23:53
felt like it had a lot of resiliency to it when
23:57
you know the a play like Hampton running into
24:00
Trey Harrison you know reliving the butt fumble
24:03
happens we were able to sort of get over that.
24:06
But again, you know, I sometimes think and I'm
24:08
not giving the charges excuses here, by the way,
24:11
but after I got over my emotional sort of outbursts
24:15
and state, I start going, well, a lot of these
24:18
guys are brand new, especially on the offense
24:20
as well. A lot of these guys are playing new
24:23
roles. You know, they're they're not battle tested,
24:26
perhaps as much brand new coordinator too. So
24:29
I think that all goes into it when we get into
24:32
these really tight spots. But the I have to talk
24:38
about this now, Alistair, if we're talking about
24:40
the offense. I am going to be bold and say it
24:46
is a overarching organisational utter failure.
24:52
About what's happening at right guard and left
24:54
guard at the moment, it is it is astonishing.
25:00
That. We can have a guy that we didn't even talk
25:03
about in the preseason of maybe maybe does he
25:06
deserve the right guard? That is the worst game
25:10
I have seen from a Chargers that is from a Chargers
25:13
player on the offensive line since and you know,
25:16
you know how I'm going to say Alistair, you know
25:18
who I'm going to say. You want me to say it.
25:21
Senor Calamity. Colestrange was abhorrent. I'm
25:27
sorry, Colestrange, if you listen to this bit.
25:29
PFF graded him as a 10 .6 man, a chair's doing
25:34
better out there than you. And the times when
25:38
he let up a pressure ended up being pretty, pretty
25:42
terrible. And this platooning of the left guard
25:45
when Coyote Awosika is actually having a really
25:48
good game and you put in Trey Pipkins on the
25:51
fourth down and he does what he does. I, I just
25:56
can't see how disgusting. It's awful. If Trey
26:04
Pipkin sees the field again in this hole rotating
26:07
through left guard, I'm going to vomit. Cole
26:10
Strange, you've got another three games before
26:12
I'm really going to start going for you, because
26:16
that's just not good enough. You've come in,
26:18
you're meant to have an understanding of Mike
26:21
McDaniel's scheme. But 10 .6 buddy. And that
26:24
we looked at some of this, some of the game type
26:26
in an offline chat again. And they're bad, man.
26:29
They are bad, bad, bad reps. Yep. Granted slaughter
26:34
looked okay. And the two tackles, you know, I
26:37
just, you know, did my Hail Mary's 27 times that
26:40
they got, they both got through the game. Okay.
26:42
And they looked pretty good too. Yep. How can
26:46
we be in week not in week one halfway through
26:49
the game in week one? We're going back to hey
26:52
the left guard position looks crap. Hey, the
26:53
right guard position looks crap I wonder do we
26:56
have a offseason where maybe we're gonna try
26:58
and fix that Ah Alistair it this really this
27:02
is the lowest point in the podcast for me It's
27:05
it's it's probably lower than the defense because
27:07
I am just so disappointed so so so disappointed
27:10
Yeah, I don't want to see a sequel to platoon
27:12
So no, no platoon two. I don't know if Willem
27:15
Dafoe is available. Uh, Charlie Sheen certainly
27:18
isn't, although he might've been playing right
27:19
guard based on how Colstrange went. Um, but over
27:26
overall. I do think there's a lot to be said
27:30
for how good it was to have Slater and Ault back.
27:34
I don't think Jake Slaughter's getting enough
27:35
credit for his first game, and that's because
27:37
people see that he has x -rayed. And yes, he
27:40
had a few. He had a handful of reps in the running
27:43
game where, okay, maybe he got slightly overpowered.
27:46
They had some really good defensive interior
27:48
players. Roy Lopez kicked the ass of our inside
27:52
defensive linemen. So did Collier. Walter Nolan,
27:55
not as much, but Slaughter... First game, this
27:58
guy's first ever game of NFL football. A lot
28:02
of pressure. A lot of pressure. And there weren't
28:03
these, you know, egregious issues with him being
28:06
walked back into the quarterback's lap or, or
28:09
guys coming through the A -gaps. Cold, strange,
28:11
different story four or five times. But I don't,
28:14
I don't look at this game and think to myself,
28:17
oh, we've got such a problem, man, our interior
28:19
offensive line, it's going to be a really big
28:21
problem. I don't think that dude, because Justin
28:24
Herbert barely got pressured in the first half.
28:27
McDaniel with how often we were running play
28:29
action or using different motions. He can do
28:34
so much schematically. He really can do so much
28:39
schematically that I think to myself, well, I
28:42
was sick actually played well, terrible, strange,
28:46
terrible. We still, in my opinion, have a top,
28:49
top three offensive tackle duo in the entire
28:52
NFL. I think we can survive this. I think we
28:56
can survive the offensive line play, provided
28:58
we don't now suffer a slew of constant injuries
29:01
and turnover. Once they settle on this line,
29:03
which will be our seeker at left guard, and Cole
29:06
Strange is your weak point at right guard, I
29:10
think we can win a lot of football games with
29:11
this offense, just because of the versatility
29:14
of the different weapons that we have when we're
29:16
healthy. Okay, fine, but why didn't we fix it?
29:22
And, and we're, and we're also talking about
29:24
positions that are not even injured. We went
29:27
out and were they, were they hoping that Beardish
29:31
was going to fix right and left guard simply
29:32
by being there? No, like the performances from
29:35
strange, you know, it was, it doesn't matter
29:37
who was either side of him. It was, it was awful.
29:40
The one thing I'll counter and say that, that,
29:42
Hey, we're looking good. We're looking good.
29:43
And we put up points and you know, but when things
29:47
went wrong, we just went straight back to Justin
29:49
Herbert. Let's, Hey, win the game for us, buddy.
29:52
We really did you to throw and look, and look
29:54
what happens. He goes deep in an awful throw
29:57
into double coverage to Darius Davis, who, uh,
30:00
is, as you said, is five foot nothing. And you
30:02
found a jump ball to him. That was fairly under
30:04
thrown anyway. Oh man. I, I, I worry because
30:09
then well, I'm paying a lot of money to Mike
30:12
McDaniel and he knows that you know, she's cold
30:15
strangers having a rough game Actually, you know
30:17
what? Let's just go pass. Let's just go pass
30:19
pass pass pass put Justin Herbert under pressure
30:22
so What I saw from an offensive standpoint is
30:26
that when things got rough, we still just reverted
30:28
back to, Hey, let's just trust Justin Herbert.
30:30
And I thought this offense was meant to be the
30:33
antithesis of that was meant to be the, Hey,
30:35
when things are getting tough, Justin, Hey, we'll,
30:37
we'll, my scheme will help you out. My scheme
30:39
will help you out. My scheme will help you out.
30:40
Now you give you sound like you're giving them
30:42
a mulligan. Well, my, my retort to that is a
30:48
major thing that set us back is in the second
30:50
half. In the first half, I think we had zero
30:54
offensive penalties. We may have had one. In
30:58
the second half, we had seven, including five
31:01
on one drive. So yes, maybe McDaniel's partially
31:06
to blame because there are a lot of moving pieces
31:08
and you get the occasional false start and motion
31:11
knocking off the rust. Very hard to play play
31:14
call. creatively from second and 25 and second
31:18
and 30 and second and 15 although Mike McDaniel
31:21
when it's second and 15 I don't think you run
31:24
the ball you don't run the ball and second and
31:26
15 make it third and 14 and then it's the end
31:29
of the drive in fact that's when Lad McConkey
31:30
got injured on that throw so I don't think McDaniel's
31:33
scheme let us down in the second half I thought
31:35
but But you can't separate the scheme and all
31:41
of a sudden the penalties from the play -caller
31:43
because it's the play -caller's responsibility
31:45
to get the team ready Agree like that that that
31:49
that that that is like you can't go because the
31:51
team when you know They they were put back on
31:54
second and 30 or whatever because of the penalties
31:56
and go Oh, don't worry mark me Daniel. He can
31:58
only do so much with that. No That's the, I think
32:00
that's, I think that's BS. And it's like the
32:03
team wasn't ready. And when the rubber hit the
32:05
road, the team wasn't good enough. And so when
32:09
things started getting a little hot, you know,
32:11
we're behind all this turnovers. You're relying
32:13
on your systems, making sure your play callings
32:15
in there, making sure the guys know what they're
32:17
doing. Uh, penalty, penalty, penalty, penalty,
32:20
penalty. And again, you know, just reading Bill
32:22
Walsh was the score settles itself. He talks
32:24
about the, um, the programming of the first 20
32:28
or 30 plays, the guys know what's what to do.
32:30
But what do you do after that? What do you do
32:33
after that? How is your team set up after that?
32:35
That's where I feel like Harbaugh has got some,
32:38
has got some answers to give, because that's
32:42
not what I expect from a Harbaugh led, uh, coordinator
32:45
in Mike McDaniel. So that, that, that's where
32:48
I land there. And listen, they're going to sort
32:50
this out. I'm sure it's a mulligan, it's week
32:52
one, but that's how I'd retort to that, Alistair.
32:54
Yeah, and that's part of the downside of having
32:56
so much motion in your playbook and that's a
32:59
that's a choice you make as a coach We were talking
33:01
about this offline Greg Roman and other coaches
33:03
maybe don't believe in doing as much of it and
33:06
Part of this is the reason it's conservative
33:08
perspective where you know We want to be able
33:10
to go into hurry up and we don't want all of
33:12
these procedural penalties because everything
33:14
is so complicated We're running banana motions
33:17
and orbit motions and someone's gonna stuff up
33:19
every two drives. You just hope that you take
33:22
the good with the bad and hit more explosive
33:24
plays. Problem is I don't know if we've got any
33:27
wide receivers outside like McConkie who are
33:29
reliable at this stage Shaq because I'm seeing
33:31
Trey Harris being a guy who gets the ball thrown
33:33
to him but isn't showing like big strong tough
33:36
hands. Quentin Johnson's getting the timing wrong
33:39
on his routes, he's not coming back to the ball
33:41
quickly enough, he doesn't really have a role
33:43
in this game and Brennan Thompson takes the field
33:46
for a handful of snaps. Once Ladd went down This
33:50
game was basically all over and we thought we
33:53
had quite a deep group. We now lose KLS to IR.
33:57
And so I go back to, all right, the first couple
34:01
of plays looked good. We were running the ball
34:03
and Joku got a couple, but what happens when
34:06
shit hits the fan? I go, I'm going back to two
34:08
years and I'm going back to playing Houston.
34:10
It's the lad McConkey show cause he's the only
34:13
guy that can get open when things get hard. And
34:16
so That this is another negative that I have.
34:19
And I go, well, I thought the reason why we got
34:22
rid of Greg Roman is because I've seen a lot
34:25
of that. And hey, when McConkey's hitting his
34:27
stride and everyone's working, you go, awesome,
34:29
great. But when someone goes down and he's not
34:32
in there, no one took up the slack. That's worrying,
34:37
because again, I thought McDaniel was able to
34:39
get these guys open. It was the scheme that gets
34:41
them open. And now if this was the debate, you
34:46
are winning 10 -0 is the final score here. Every
34:51
excuse I try to come up with or contextual factor
34:57
or qualification, you're saying, hang on, hang
34:59
on, hang on, hang on. And, and making numerous
35:03
cogent points. I have to, I have to condescend
35:06
to your greater argumentative abilities on tonight's
35:10
show. But it's, it's just like, how long do you
35:14
have to prepare for week one? And granted, you
35:17
don't have like, it's, it's the, it's the game
35:19
that you can prepare for the most. Le Fleur obviously
35:21
knew exactly what he wanted to do. And listen,
35:24
I'm not throwing the baby out with the bathwater.
35:25
I think where my frustration falls is that it
35:29
just, again, You can sit there for the whole
35:32
off season and you can literally you should be
35:34
sitting in the room going. Okay Hey, if things
35:36
go really wrong, what happens if I do lose lad
35:38
McConkey against the Cardinals? Okay, maybe I'll
35:40
have this maybe I'll have this wrinkle But maybe
35:43
I'm kind of underselling how hard it is to install
35:45
a brand new offense in one season the changes
35:47
that the offensive line the new language all
35:50
that kind of stuff Yeah, I mean I'm I'm not I'm
35:56
a bit down on lad McConkey because he actually
35:58
looked like he was actually quite hurt, but you,
36:01
Alistair believe that he's probably got just
36:02
a few bruised ribs and he'll be all right. But
36:06
I'm not saying it's not going to affect his play.
36:08
That will affect your play for a while. He's
36:09
going to have to run a backside dig rat again
36:12
and know that when he catches the ball, he's
36:13
going to get hit and he'll have sore ribs for
36:16
Italy probably the rest of September. Let's be
36:18
honest, maybe into October. So let's talk about
36:21
Herbert in a second, but the one thing that I
36:23
also wanted to pick up. I found David and Jokey's
36:26
blatant offensive passer interference. It's a
36:30
very, very small thing that maybe not a lot of
36:32
people picked up, but it was so blighted and
36:34
looked like a guy that was already frustrated.
36:37
And I went, Hmm, that's interesting because if
36:42
you actually watch it in replay, he gives him
36:44
literally a double push in the, and you can see
36:47
the quarterback or the safety go like as he's
36:50
falling, he's like, man, what are you doing?
36:53
That's a little bit worrisome as well. That's
36:56
not what I expect on a hardball led team. Just
36:59
a small little thing. We'll see how it plays
37:01
out. I'm going to ask you a question about that
37:04
in a second, but before we do, and just to wrap
37:07
up our game analysis, because we could talk for
37:09
freaking three hours, the two of us. If we could.
37:12
We need to be disciplined. All right. Hardball
37:14
like discipline, or maybe that's a poor analogy
37:17
this week. Uh, Justin Herbert's game. After watching
37:24
the tape today, I was pretty high early. The
37:29
more I watched, I just thought, what am I seeing
37:32
here? I'm trying to make excuses. I'm thinking,
37:35
footwork looks wrong. He looks out of sync. The
37:39
ball's coming out a bit too slowly. 2 .8 second
37:42
time to throw. Missed missing the right window
37:45
a couple of times turn downs turning down Quentin
37:48
Johnston on a quick pass designed to go to him
37:51
instead tucking it and running himself Things
37:54
you don't notice on the broadcast on the fourth
37:57
down failed attempt the two preceding downs You've
38:01
got a Marion Hampton as an outlet receiver within
38:04
gold in front of him blocking Herbert's looking
38:06
downfield doesn't get to the outlet second down
38:10
third down either of them might have scored because
38:12
all all the defense were in the end zone with
38:14
Quentin and Ladd and and you've just got Hampton
38:17
off to the left and Herbert doesn't even look
38:19
there so and from there Jack I'm just going to
38:23
empty out my bag of notes right and then you
38:25
you come in go second second half miss throw
38:28
to Trey Ladd hospital pass eats a terrible sack
38:32
on first down because he doesn't get the ball
38:33
out quickly enough then just holds it instead
38:36
of throwing it into the dirt I've already done
38:38
a whole separate video on the forced interception
38:42
with nine minutes left TDU crew check it out
38:44
we've posted on our channel it's also an X I
38:46
won't repeat myself here you can add to that
38:49
if you want but but why why Justin Herbert feels
38:52
the need to force that throw when you're down
38:55
nine points on with nine minutes left on first
38:58
and ten to Darius Davis in double coverage That's
39:03
a guy who's a little bit checked out and early
39:05
in the game the vides were nice you've got Madison
39:07
Madison beer dancing after his beautiful touchdown
39:09
throw to lad Andy's quote of the day was just
39:12
say you just make Madison dance Justin just make
39:14
her dance that's that's the game plan unfortunately
39:17
though the positives were few and far between
39:20
in that in that second half and it was noticeable
39:24
Just how much better he was on play action than
39:26
normal dropback passing game. I just thought
39:28
play action guys are wide open He's feeling himself.
39:32
He's groovy Dropback passing game. It looked
39:35
like Lombardi. It looked like Greg Roman It looked
39:39
like he didn't have anyone to throw to. It was
39:41
a deeply disappointing performance from a guy
39:45
who we all think is an NFL MVP candidate. Jack,
39:48
you said if you're starting an NFL franchise
39:50
today, he'd be the first player you would pick.
39:53
How are you feeling about number 10? Yeah. Listen,
39:58
I think the the simple takeaway is that when
40:01
he wasn't under pressure, he played really well.
40:04
I think he had a rating of about 71 or 70 per
40:07
PFF. And then when he was blitzed or he was under
40:09
pressure, that rate goes down and sure. And people
40:14
will say it was the offensive lines problem.
40:16
Again, it was cold, strange. It was Trey Pipkins.
40:19
Sure, sure, sure, sure. The one thing that I
40:22
took away from the game. Is and the bigger problem
40:26
and you alluded to it Alistair is that I didn't
40:30
think Arizona really needed to blitz heavily
40:33
or do anything too complex in the pressure game
40:36
to speed Herbert up when the pocket broke especially
40:42
on the pure passing situations. I felt like the
40:47
whole operation just lost efficiency and ball
40:51
security. Everything just started going awry.
40:56
That's worrying as well because I take it back
40:59
and it's all about preparation, preparation,
41:02
preparation. What can you can control is you
41:04
can control how prepared you are to go into game
41:07
and how much control you've got on these things.
41:10
Now, maybe I'm a neophyte and there's such a
41:13
difference between real NFL live play week one
41:17
and preseason and training. And I'm not stupid.
41:20
I know that there is, but I'm, it's, it's just
41:24
not why I expected in year three from a harbor
41:28
led organization and that throw to Darius Davis,
41:32
what's going on. I, again, everything just felt
41:36
like it, it just tumbled. And again, that's,
41:39
those are mental lapses that I wouldn't expect
41:41
from a disciplined unit. And to sort of round
41:46
it out before we, we need to talk about actually,
41:48
no, I'll go straight into it is that that blocked
41:50
pun is, it's just, it's the cherry on top to
41:54
show, in my opinion, if we're having this debate
41:56
and one of the main sort of tenants or foundations
41:59
of my, this podcast has been, I just don't think
42:02
the charges were prepared. Special teams is The
42:05
is, is the one unit where you can say it's all
42:08
about detail and it's all about repetition and
42:10
it's all about knowing your job to let an ex
42:12
charge a semi for Hoco straight up the middle
42:15
to block the punt to essentially kind of change
42:17
the game and lose the game. Uh, I reckon Fikens
42:20
on a bit of notice because that's just not, that's
42:23
not good enough. It is just not good enough.
42:25
That was a key message or unfortunately in protection
42:28
on that play, uh, tough, tough, tough. Yeah.
42:33
All right. Uh, and I don't want to, you know,
42:36
I don't want to go into this area, but if you
42:38
listen to Justin Herbert's midweek press conference
42:41
and his post game press conference, just have
42:45
a listen. Let us know what you think. Vibes are
42:48
a bit weird before the game. They're saying,
42:50
Justin, you know, week one new season, does it
42:53
feel, does that feel any different? Uh, how do
42:56
you mean? Oh, you know, it's week one. It's the
43:00
start of a season. for that to have been his
43:02
response he just keeps his cards very close to
43:05
his chest but but it's bordering on there's people
43:09
are misinterpreting his maybe quiet nature for
43:14
apathy or the guy's over it or the guy's packed
43:17
in or maybe maybe he's now more interested in
43:20
his life outside of football that's the speculation
43:23
you invite however It's week one only not having
43:26
those penalties and being in first and 15 and
43:28
second and 25. Hopefully that makes him feel
43:31
like he doesn't have his clock sped up because
43:33
he's not having to throw the ball 25 yards to
43:35
complete a first down. All right. Let's end it
43:40
there in terms of our game recap, Jack. Although
43:44
I do want to ask you a final question, not game
43:47
related. I want to take you back to the decision
43:51
to hire Jim Harbour. Okay. Here we go. Should
43:57
the hire have been Ben Johnson? I mean, 59 points
44:03
in a week one would have been nice. It's just
44:05
interesting to look at the sliding door. I think
44:08
the final two, we had a pick of different people
44:12
to interview. I remember it was an incredible
44:14
list of candidates and there was Jim Harbaugh
44:16
and then there was Ben Johnson who everyone knew
44:18
was schematically brilliant. They just didn't
44:20
want to go with the first time guy standing here
44:23
today. How are you feeling about it? Oh, well,
44:29
I'm gonna get eaten alive either way. How am
44:31
I feeling about it? So what I find quite fascinating
44:37
is that when I listened to Ben Johnson talk,
44:40
and the way that the the accountability that
44:43
he seems to put on the whole organization, what
44:46
did he what did he say? He said, Oh, you put
44:47
up 59 points is like, yep. Yep. We'll do better.
44:52
It's just searching for greatness all the time.
44:55
I missed a couple of throws. I missed, missed
44:57
a couple. So we've got to tighten that up and
44:58
we're going to keep on going. Whereas The one
45:02
thing that I must admit I am getting tired of
45:04
and a couple of social media pundits picked it
45:07
up is the constant glazing Jim Harbour has for
45:10
all his players now. And there's a difference
45:13
between protecting your players and saying, Hey,
45:15
no, Justin Herbert's fine. Now he's a good player.
45:16
He's all right. And then going, he's going to
45:18
be the greatest ever. He's going to be the greatest.
45:20
You're not sitting around at Thanksgiving, Jim.
45:24
Okay. You can't just say that stuff because people
45:26
are going to come out and now say, Well, aren't
45:28
you just putting more pressure saying something
45:30
like that? Like you're actually, you know, cause
45:32
when he's not, and when he is poor, they're going
45:35
to be like, this guy's like, is this head coach
45:38
nuts? So I listen, I don't want to question harbored
45:43
just yet because the last two seasons have been
45:45
building towards something. And who knows against
45:47
the Raiders, we could do something incredible.
45:49
Uh, but yeah, it is sliding doors moments. What
45:52
I've liked the, what I've liked the They're sort
45:57
of the liberal pick when I say liberal, not as
46:00
in politics, but the progressive. That's what
46:01
I want in, in, in Johnson. Yeah, that would have
46:03
been awesome. But I just don't think that's the
46:05
Spanish family. I think it's stability. It's
46:07
the old guy. They, they want some good conservatism.
46:10
They're not political conservatism, but just,
46:13
you know, this is the stable hire Alistair. I
46:16
don't know. Like, how do you feel? Yeah. And
46:18
it's easier to say that now at the time Harbaugh's
46:21
coming off winning the Natty. We've just gone
46:23
through the first time head coach kind of failed
46:25
experience and you tend to get the topsy turvy
46:28
seesaw where you, you start, you have a defensive
46:30
head coach and then you have an offensive head
46:32
coach and then you have a young head coach and
46:34
then you have an old head coach. I think Harbaugh
46:36
was the right guy at that time. Although I would
46:38
have been very happy with either. All right.
46:41
To end the show today, we're going to do our.
46:44
vintage yeah nah and nah yeah awards. For first
46:47
time listeners, Aussies tend to say yeah nah
46:50
when they just want to say nah and vice versa.
46:53
I'm going to hand out those awards for today.
46:56
So for the negative award, the yeah nah award,
47:00
plenty to choose from, but we have to just give
47:03
it to Chris O 'Leary, the 34 year old. And for
47:06
me, You know, coaching last year in the mid -American
47:09
football conference, it's not the same as the
47:11
NFL, but he comes into the building and everyone's
47:13
going, yeah, it's the Jesse Minter acolyte. He's
47:16
the young gun. He's passionate. He speaks well.
47:19
He looks like he's on the cutting edge of scheme.
47:22
But then you see on the first Drive of the game.
47:25
He's running a fire zone pressure on his first
47:28
ever third and long with Dewan rushing the passer
47:31
Tully dropping into coverage trying to cover
47:34
Trey McBride and then having to stop a scrambling
47:36
jacobi preset and then there's Tully dropping
47:39
to coverage a second time on the same drive and
47:42
Chris O 'Leary They flashed him on the broadcast
47:45
and he's sitting there Chewing chewing the gum
47:51
voraciously looking, looking completely overwhelmed.
47:56
And I started thinking, oh, we started thinking,
48:00
ah, in pre -season weeks two and three, when
48:02
they're just blitzing every down. I think this
48:05
guy's not going to be one of these just blitz
48:07
thinking blitzing solves every problem, is it?
48:10
So that starts for Chris O 'Leary. Thankfully
48:13
it's any given Sunday, a week's a long time in
48:15
football, et cetera, et cetera. Tough, tough
48:20
baptism of fire for the O 'Leary clan. My Nah
48:24
Yeah award today is to Jamari Caldwell. And I'm
48:30
giving it to the big man 99 because I thought
48:33
during the preseason. He was a little quiet and
48:36
with Delvin Tomlinson coming in and Nick Barrett,
48:39
the rookie, I was starting to think, what is
48:41
his snap allocation going to look like in this
48:43
game? But I posted something on TDU film. He,
48:46
he drew a holding call from Hjalte Froholt. He
48:49
did a one arm tackle of Jeremiah Love from behind.
48:52
He was washing up and down the line chasing backs.
48:55
He got a pressure on Jacoby Brissette from the
48:57
five technique. I just thought he played with
48:59
a lot of effort and a lot of heart Jack. And
49:01
on this show, we love players with heart. So
49:03
Jamar - Caldwell, you are going to get the Nah
49:06
Yeah Award for this week. Well done fella. And
49:10
now to end the show. For the first time in season
49:14
2026, it is Jack's hashtag teachable moment.
49:19
Yes. I had to turn to poetry this week and I
49:29
have, and I found as I was looking through my
49:32
numerous books and my sort of small library at
49:34
work, W. B. Yates. And it goes as such, he was
49:41
writing after the First World War. And he wrote
49:46
a poem called The Second Coming. As he imagined
49:51
the old order or an old order, you know, sort
49:55
of almost coming apart around the world after
49:58
after World War One. And so this is a a small
50:02
um a small verse from it turning and turning
50:06
in the widening gyre the falcon cannot hear the
50:10
falconer things fall apart the center cannot
50:16
hold as i was reading i thought that last line
50:22
has a fairly sharp double meaning here for this
50:25
charges loss chris On defense, Arizona completed
50:31
15 of 17 targets between the numbers for 157
50:36
yards. The short middle alone produced 91 yards
50:42
with McBride and Bourne doing most of the damage.
50:46
Mike with the charges offensive line, the center
50:50
also failed. Colestrange with wax lyrical already,
50:53
or at least I have allowed five of the eight
50:56
pressures. charged to the main offensive lineman.
51:00
On one side, the middle of the coverage opened.
51:02
On the other, the middle of the pocket collapsed.
51:05
So this is quite a good way to end the show.
51:09
Chris and Mike, what is the teachable moment
51:12
to you both? Were these isolated execution errors
51:15
or did the structures fail to protect the players?
51:21
What needs to change to make sure the centre
51:25
holds? Class dismissed. Well done, Jack. Things
51:32
fall apart. The centre cannot hold. Jake Slaughter,
51:35
no holding this week. Okay, one's enough for
51:37
the season. All right. Thanks for sticking around
51:41
to the end, listeners. Just to let you know,
51:43
we're going to do a new cadence this week. We've
51:46
heard your calls for more content. So each week
51:48
we'll do our recap show. which we'll release
51:51
tonight. And then we will do a preview show a
51:54
couple of days before next week's game. So you'll
51:56
be hearing from us again later this week. We
51:59
hope to have Andy back from overseas soon. He
52:03
may be joining us sooner than you'd think. But
52:06
Jack, unless you've got anything else you'd like
52:08
to say to end the show, no, thanks for joining
52:10
and we will see you next time on the Thunder
52:13
Down Under Chargers podcast. He's got Floyd turning,
52:42
got it!