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Ghislaine Maxwell And The Deposition That Led To Her Downfall (Part 2) (5/14/26) · The Vault: The Epstein Files

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Speaker 1: What's up, everyone, and welcome back to the Epstein Chronicles.
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In this episode, we're gonna pick up where we left
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off with a Glain Maxwell deposition. Sigarette McCauley, have you
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ever given a massage with Virginia Roberts in the room
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and Jeffrey Epstein. Pagliuca object to the form and the
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foundation Maxwell. No, McCauley, have you ever given Jeffrey Epstein
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a massage? Pagliuca object to the form foundation, And I'm
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going to instruct you not to answer that question. I
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don't have any problem with you asking questions about what
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the subject matter of this lawsuit is, which would be,
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as you've termed it, sexual trafficking of Miss Roberts. To
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the extent you're asking for information relating to any consensual
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adult interaction between my client and mister Epstein. I'm going
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to instruct her not to answer because it's not part
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of this litigation and it is her private, confidential information
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not subject to this deposition. McCauley, you can instruct her
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not to answer, that is your right, but I'll bring
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her back for another deposition because it is part of
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the subject matter of this litigation, So she should be
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answering these questions. This is a civil litigation deposition and
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she should be responsible for answering these questions. Pagluka. I disagree,
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and you understand the bounds that I put on it. McCauley, No,
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I don't. I will continue to ask my questions and
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you can continue to make your objections. McCauley, did you
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ever participate from the time period of nineteen ninety two
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to two thousand and nine, did you ever participate in
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a massage with Jeffrey Epstein and another female? Pagluka objection.
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Do not answer that question again to the extent you
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are asking for some sort of illegal activity, as you've
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construed in connection with this case. I don't have any
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problem with you asking that question to the extent that
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these questions involve consensual acts between adults. Frankly, they're none
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of your business, and I will struck the witness not
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to answer. Miss McCauley. This case involves sexual trafficking sexual abuse.
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Questions about her having interactions with other females is relevant
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to this case. She needs to answer these questions. Pagliuca.
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I'm instructing her not to answer, McCauley. Then we will
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be back here again. McCauley, have you ever given a
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massage to mister Epstein with a female that was under
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the age of eighteen? Maxwell? Can you repeat the question, McCauley, Yes,
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have you ever given a massage to mister Epstein with
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a female that was under the age of eighteen? Maxwell? No, McCauley,
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have you ever observed mister Epstein having a massage given
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by an individual a female who was under the age
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of eighteen? Maxwell? No, McCauley, have you ever observed females
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under the age of eighteen in the presence of Jeffrey
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Epstein at his home? Pagliuca object to the form and foundation.
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Maxwell again, I have friends that have children. McCauley cuts
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her off. Here, I'm not talking about friends, I'm talking
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about individuals. Pagliuca cuts off McCauley. I'm going to object
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to you interrupting the witness who was answering your question.
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The question was have you ever seen anyone female under
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the age of eighteen at the house? And that's the
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question that she was answering. If you want to strike
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that question and ask another question, feel free, but let
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the witness respond. Please, McCauley I'll do that. McCauley. Have
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you ever observed a female under the age of eighteen
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at Jeffrey Epstein's home that was not a friend a child,
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one of your friend's children. Maxwell, Again, I can't testify
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to that because I have no idea what you're talking about. McCauley.
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You have no idea what I'm talking about in the
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sense you never observed the female under the age of
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eighteen at Jeffrey Epstein's home that was not one of
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your friend's children. Is that correct, mister Pagliuca object to
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the form and the foundation. Maxwell, How would I possibly
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know how old someone is when they are at his house?
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You were asking me to do that. I cannot possibly
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testify to that. As far as I'm concerned, everyone who
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came to his house was an adult, professional person. McCauley.
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Are you familiar with the police report that was issued
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in respect to the investigation in this matter? Mister Pagliuca
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object to the form and the foundation. McCauley again, are
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you familiar with the police report that was used in
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this matter? The investigation of Jeffrey Epstein has been produced
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as a document in this matter. Maxwell, I've seen the
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police report Maxwell, Exhibit one police report mark for identification, McCauley.
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The police report that you have in front of you.
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Can you turn to page twenty eight of that report.
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The numbers are on the top right hand corner. You
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will see some redactions in this report, Miss Maxwell. The
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redacted information is redacted because it reveals the name of
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a minor someone who is under the age of eighteen.
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On page twenty eight, in the third paragraph, about halfway down,
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it says redacted stated she performed the massage naked. At
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the conclusion of this massage, Epstein paid Redacted two hundred
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dollars for the massage. He explained, I know you were
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not comfortable, but I will pay you if you bring
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some other girls. He told her. The younger the better,
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Redacted stated, once tried to bring a twenty three year
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old to Abstein, and he stated that the female was
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too old. Have you heard mister Apstein use the phrase
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the younger the better, Maxwell, I have no recollection of
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hearing that, McCauley. Have you ever used the phrase in
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talking to redacted and asking her to recruit females for
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mister Apstein. The younger the better, Mister Pagliuca object to
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the form and foundation of the question. Maxwell. First of all,
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can you break the question apart. McCauley, have you ever
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used the phrase the younger the better in speaking to
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redacted and asking her to recruit females for Jeffrey Epstein
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Pagliuca of the form and the foundation, McCauley, you can answer,
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it's a yes or a no. Maxwell, No, that's absolutely
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not true. On the second part of your question, I
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have not asked Virginia to recruit females. And the first
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part of your question, if you can repeat that again
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the question you asked. McCauley asked for the record to
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be read back, and after the question is asked again,
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Maxwell responds, I believe I answered the latter part of
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the question the first part of the question. It's impossible
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for me to recall events that took place sixteen years ago,
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but it doesn't sound like something I would say McCauley.
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On page twenty eight that same paragraph, redacted was asked
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how many girls in total she brought to Epstein. Redacted
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stated that she can't remember. Redacted stated that she brought
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and it's redacted there and the victim in this case.
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Let me ask a question. I have a question pending
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right now. Are you testifying that you were unaware of
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any underage under the age of eighteen females coming to
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Jeffrey Epstein's home to perform massages. Pagliuca object to the
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form and the foundation. Maxwell, you need to straddle that
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question in a different time period. When I was there.
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At the time I was present, the people that gave
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Jeffrey men and women who gave Jeffrey massages were adults
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over the age of eighteen. McCauley. Never in your time
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at any of Jeffrey Epstein's homes were you present when
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a female under the age of eighteen was there to
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give Jeffrey Epstein a massage. Pagliuca object to the form
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and the foundation. Maxwell. First of all, as I said,
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when I was present, McCauley, it's a yes or no. Maxwell, No,
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it is not. McCauley. You can answer the question in full,
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but please provide yes or no as an initial matter. Maxwell,
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I cannot answer yes or no. It's not bounded by time.
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It's entirely possible. I could have been in a room
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or even in the vicinity of Palm Beach when somebody
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came and I would not know. How would I know
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when somebody was in the house. There is no way
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I can know. McCauley. Did you stay at Jeffrey Epstein's
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home when you were in Palm Beach, Glenn Maxwell most
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of the time. McCauley, So, how is it that you
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wouldn't know if there was a female in the home
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under the age of eighteen if you were staying there. Maxwell, Well,
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first of all, when I was staying there, the house
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is actually quite large, and I have a very busy job,
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and I had an office with the door, so the
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door would be shut and I would be working. I'm
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not responsible for what Jeffrey does, and I don't always
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pay attention to what happens in the house. I'm very busy. McCauley,
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So you're testifying that you never observed a female under
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the age of eighteen at Jeffrey Epstein's West Palm Beach home.
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Pagliuca object to the form and the foundation. Maxwell, I
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already answered that question. I believe McCauley. You didn't answer
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my question. Maxwell, I did. McCauley, did you observe a
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female under the age of eighteen at Jeffrey Epstein's home
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in Palm Beach, Maxwell, like I said, I work, I
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don't sit there and watch people coming in and out
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of the house. I cannot possibly tell you if I'm
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in the home that somebody was there that I did
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not see. I cannot comment on it. I have no idea. McCauley,
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did you observe females at Jeffrey Epstein's home that were
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laying out topless in the back of the home, in
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other words, without the shirt on? Maxwell, So that's just
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another of Virginia's lies. So let's just be clear. At
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the time when I was there, in present, frequently at
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the house, it was unusual to see people without their
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clothes on. McCauley. When you say unusual, did you observe
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people without their clothes on at Jeffrey Epstein's home, Maxwell,
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can I answer? Sometimes people in the privacy of a
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house and swimming pool, I have seen people from time
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to time take their top off. I have seen people
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from time to time do that unusual naked people around
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the pool at any frequent period of time. I have
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never seen, McCauley. Were they under the age of eighteen? Maxwell?
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As I was saying, people when I was in the
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house were of adult age, and if they were children,
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friends of my family or friends that were there, they
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may well have been. Because I have nieces and nephews
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under the age of eighteen. I cannot testify to anybody else,
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just another one of Virginia's many fictitious lies and stories
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to make this a salacious event to get interest and press.
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It's all absolute rubbish. McCauley, were you in charge of
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hiring individuals to provide massages for Jeffrey Epstein Maxwell. My
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job included hiring many people. There were six homes as
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I sit here. I hired assistants, I hired architects, I
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hired decorators, I hired cooks, I hired cleaners, I hired gardeners,
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I hired pool people, I hired pilots, I hired all
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sorts of people. In the course, and of very small
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part of my job was from time to time to
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find adult professional massage therapists for Jeffrey McCauley. When you
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say adult professional massage therapists, where did you find these
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massage therapists? Maxwell? From time to time I would visit
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professional spas, I would receive a massage, and if the
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massage was good, I would ask that man or woman
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if they did home visits. McCauley, did you ever hire
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a massuse that was under the age of eighteen? Mister
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Pagliuca objects to the form and the foundation. McCauley asked again,
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did you Maxwell? Again, I don't hire a massage therapist,
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so that's not my job. McCauley, you just said you did.
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You just said you hired massage therapists for Jeffrey Epstein.
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I'm asking if you hired a massage therapist who was
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under the age of eighteen. Maxwell. Let me correct myself.
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When I meant hire, I didn't mean hire in the
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way that you were doing it. What I say is
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that I went to spas and I met people, and
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if they did home visits, Jeffrey would then in fact
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hire them. I'm not responsible for hiring someone and they
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were not full time, so it's not a correct characterization. McCauley.
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Did you ever your term is meet? Did you ever
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meet a person that was under the age of eighteen
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that you that Jeffrey then hired as a massus? Maxwell?
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First of all, Virginia Roberts, who you were referring to,
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was a massus age seventeen. We all know now, So
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your story that you keep pushing out to the press
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that she was a fifteen year old you and I
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both know was a lie. Correct McCauley, You are not
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sentencing my question. Maxwell. You and I both know that
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was a lie. Correct. McCauley, You were not answering my question.
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I'm asking you whether you ever met a female under
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the age of eighteen that Jeffrey then hired as a
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messus Pagliuca object to the form and the foundation. Maxwell.
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The only people I can talk about who clearly was
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a missione aged seventeen a massuse was Virginia McCauley. Did
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you ever meet her and then introduce her to Jeffrey Maxwell?
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I don't know. I already testified. I don't recall meeting
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her Maxwell Exhibit two. McCauley. So, I'm showing you a
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document that we have marked as Maxwell Exhibit two. It's
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a document and you produced in this matter labeled confidential
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GM zero zero one zero nine. It's stated Sunday, June twelve,
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twenty eleven. It's from Jeffrey Epstein to you. If you
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can turn to page four, sorry, can you turn to
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the first page, the cover page initially, which is zero
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zero one zero nine. If you look under the timestamp,
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it says June twelve, twenty eleven, at four to twelve pm,
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it says redacted. Is that your email address? Maxwell? It
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is McCauley. Under that, it says, thank you. I have
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it now and I'm working on a letter a little.
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I will send the final version tomorrow and whatever it
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is will be factually. Do you see that on page one, Maxwell?
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I do, McCauley. Then I would like you to turn
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to page four. Please, the second paragraph down on page
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four it states, after some thought, I recall that I
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first met miss Roberts when she was working at a
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premier resort, claiming to be eighteen years old at a
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professional masseuse. Mister Pagliuca, what line are you on? Council
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McCauley's second paragraph down, Pagliuca, I got it. McCauley. Is
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that a statement that you wrote, Maxwell? It appears to
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be McCauley. So does that correct your testimony that you
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did meet miss Roberts at mar A Lago? Maxwell? Again,
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this was written in when were you saying? McAuley twenty eleven? Maxwell?
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So by twenty eleven, Miss Roberts had already perpetrated so
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many lies and stories. It's hard for me to accurately
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tell you today what I remember back then. As I
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sit here today, the testimony I give you today, I
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do not recollect it. McCauley, Do you have a reason
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to say that this document that you wrote is incorrect? Maxwell?
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It's in twenty eleven. I can't possibly tell you what
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I remember in twenty eleven. McCauley. Are you questioning that
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this document is incorrect? This document, this email that you wrote, Maxwell,
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I wrote an email. I was trying to be accurate.
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So who knows with all the rubbish you guys have
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put out in the press that I read, maybe in
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the moment I wrote it, a memory came to me.
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And I don't know. But as I sit here today
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and the testimony I gave you today is I don't
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recollect it. McCauley. Does this refresh your recollection that you
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were called meeting Miss Roberts at mar A Lago Glenn Maxwell?
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It does not, McCauley. So your testimony today is that
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you do not remember meeting Miss Roberts at mar A Lago. Maxwell,
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I do not. I just to clarify, when you read
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so much stuff and so much rubbish that comes out
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from Virginia Roberts, you don't know what's up and what's down.
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At the time I wrote this, I believe I had
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a memory, but as I sit here today, I do not.
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All Right, folks, we're gonna wrap up Part two there.
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In the next episode, we'll pick up with Part three.
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