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28-year-old mom of one body found dismembered in car trunk. Did freaky neighbor stalk and kill? · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: Decapitated remains of a young mom stuffed in suitcases. It
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Speaker 1: sounds like a horrible movie or some thriller or a
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Speaker 1: work of fiction, but in fact it is a horror
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Speaker 1: story dreamed up in the mind of a killer. What
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Speaker 1: happened to twenty eight year old Sarah Zigoul? Crime stories
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Speaker 1: with Nancy Grace or horrible and shocking, but with crap
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Speaker 1: that's going on everywhere, it seems like it's just not
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Speaker 1: too surprising. Mike Mhugh was at home in Iloa last
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Speaker 1: night when deputies converged on his neighborhood say they got
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Speaker 1: a tip about a murder, leading them to Southwest Saralla
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Speaker 1: and Hargus Street. That's where they found this BMW and
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Speaker 1: a woman's body in the trunk. The victim is twenty
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Speaker 1: eight year old Sarah Zegoul from Aloa. Neighbors can hardly
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Speaker 1: believe it because you're always seeing this kind of thing
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Speaker 1: happening elsewhere. You wonder if anything like this is ever
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Speaker 1: gonna affect your life, and then something like this happens
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Speaker 1: and you start wondering even more. You know. Sarah Zegul's
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Speaker 1: Facebook page says she was a model actress and she
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Speaker 1: went to PSU. Now neighbors want to know how and
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Speaker 1: why her life ended. Here our friends at KPTV Fox twelve.
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Speaker 1: That was Jamie Wilson. What happened to a gorgeous twenty
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Speaker 1: eight year old girl? Sarah Zigouel. I'm Nancy Grace. This
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Speaker 1: is crime Stories. Thank you for being with us. Decapitated
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Speaker 1: remains of a young mom stuffed in suitcases. It's almost
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Speaker 1: too much to take ken. As a matter of fact,
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Speaker 1: it sounds like a horrible movie or um some some
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Speaker 1: thriller or a work of fiction. But in fact it
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Speaker 1: is a horror story dreamed up in the mind of
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Speaker 1: a killer. Again. I'm Nancy, Gracie. Subscribe stories. Thank you
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Speaker 1: for being with us. With me an all star panel,
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Speaker 1: trial lawyer and judge, Ashley Wilcot, anchor Court TV at
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Speaker 1: Ashley Wilcott dot com. James shell Nutt metro major k
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Speaker 1: SWAT officer now lawyer, the medical Examiner for the State
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Speaker 1: of Florida, Doctor Tim Gallagher, doctor Liz divorce psychologist in
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Speaker 1: New York, Pennsylvania, founder of Visionista's by Design and at
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Speaker 1: doctor Liz Lyz dot com. But right now to Jennifer
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Speaker 1: Dowling with ko I N six in Portland. You know, Jennifer,
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Speaker 1: when I think of Portland, Oregon, I think of wild,
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Speaker 1: untamed beauty, a place to go and get away from
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Speaker 1: the rat race. But instead we discover a young mom,
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Speaker 1: decapitated number one, stuffed in suitcases. What can you tell me?
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Speaker 1: How did the whole thing start? Let's start at the beginning, Jennifer, Well,
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Speaker 1: we in the news media first learned about it when
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Speaker 1: the car was found. So she was found in a
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Speaker 1: black BMW in a community called Oloa, and it's a
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Speaker 1: beautiful community. It's about thirty minutes outside of downtown and
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Speaker 1: a very quiet community. Nice homes, nice families, tight knit
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Speaker 1: families have lived there for quite some time. Children that
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Speaker 1: have grown there gone to school together. And this car
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Speaker 1: was found on one of the side streets with a
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Speaker 1: body inside. So when we responded, all we knew was
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Speaker 1: that there was a body found in the trunk of
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Speaker 1: a black BMW, and it was pretty shocking to be
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Speaker 1: in that nice neighborhood. It is pretty idealic and that
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Speaker 1: things like that just don't happen there, you know what. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: you're right about that, and I want to comment on that.
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Speaker 1: You know, when we hear about crime, and let's just
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Speaker 1: say a drug infested area or a high crime area. Well,
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Speaker 1: let's just say in the Sonola area of Mexico. We think, well,
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Speaker 1: you know what, that's to be expected. That doesn't make
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Speaker 1: it any less important, but I think it shocks the senses.
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Speaker 1: To James Shellnutt, metro major case swat officer now lawyer,
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Speaker 1: because people don't expect for a decapitated mom's body to
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Speaker 1: be found in a BMW parked down the street from
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Speaker 1: the nice houses where there's no crime. That shocks everyone's senses.
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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, absolutely. I mean this is just something that
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Speaker 1: you would never expect. I mean people expect to come
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Speaker 1: home and live in a nice neighborhood and enjoy the afternoon.
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Speaker 1: And when this happens, it really startles people. It gets
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Speaker 1: people locking their doors and really just creates a sense
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Speaker 1: of panic in the entire neighborhood. You know what, You're
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Speaker 1: right and to you, Ashley Willcott, judge and trial lawyer.
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Speaker 1: You know, Ashley, I remember the Atlanta community was shocked
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Speaker 1: when outside of a very ritzy country club they've been
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Speaker 1: having a big society wedding in there and reception, a
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Speaker 1: guy goes out to catching uber and somebody comes up
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Speaker 1: and robs him, and one of the swankiest names in town,
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Speaker 1: and he says, well, wait, let me just have my
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Speaker 1: driver's license and starts to approach the robber, and the
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Speaker 1: robber guns him down. He was a brand new dad
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Speaker 1: and left behind an infant girl just about a week
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Speaker 1: or so old. The mom and stayed behind with the
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Speaker 1: baby and not come to the wedding. And it shocked everybody.
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Speaker 1: Oh how could this happen. I'll tell you how it happens.
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Speaker 1: The same way. It happens in housing projects and in
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Speaker 1: high crime areas and in drug infested areas. That's how
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Speaker 1: it happens. There is a predator amongst us and he
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Speaker 1: lets loose. That's how it happens. I remember when that
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Speaker 1: happened in Atlanta, Nancy. And the bottom line is this.
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Speaker 1: It can happen to anyone anywhere. Everyone can be a
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Speaker 1: victim of crime, regardless of where you live, of where
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Speaker 1: you frequent. And part of the misnomber year is that
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Speaker 1: so many people think, oh, it could never happen to me.
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Speaker 1: Oh it's safe, because it looks safe, it feels safe,
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Speaker 1: it's ritzy. The fact of the matter is it doesn't
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Speaker 1: matter where it happens, every victim is just as valuable.
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Speaker 1: Guys with me, Jennifer Dowling, Reporter ko I N six, Portland, Oregon,
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Speaker 1: and we are talking about a young mom, twenty eight
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Speaker 1: year old Sarah's guel and I'm stunned as a crime
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Speaker 1: victim of violent crime. When you lose someone you love,
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Speaker 1: that's horrible enough. When you lose them unexpectedly suddenly, that
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Speaker 1: makes it worse when you lose them to violent crime.
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Speaker 1: It's a shot many people never recover from. Tell me
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Speaker 1: again about the neighborhood, Jennifer, and I'm going to get
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Speaker 1: down into the case in just a minute, but I
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Speaker 1: want to understand where this happened. Yeah, Aloa is a
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Speaker 1: very as I mentioned, a very quiet and a nice community.
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Speaker 1: This was a group an area where people were really
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Speaker 1: tight knit. In fact, I had talked to some of
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Speaker 1: the victim's friends and they said they had all grown
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Speaker 1: up together as young kids. Even if they didn't go
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Speaker 1: to the same school or weren't the same age, they
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Speaker 1: all knew each other, you know, they'd ride their bikes together,
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Speaker 1: they come unger to each other's houses and play games.
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Speaker 1: And that included Sarah and so they all knew one another.
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Speaker 1: So it's a it's a little bit outside of Portland,
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Speaker 1: but it's one of those communities that is very quiet,
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Speaker 1: mature trees, like I said, nice homes. You can walk
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Speaker 1: your walk, you could ride your bike, you could run
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Speaker 1: without probably any fear of anything happening to you, maybe
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Speaker 1: even at night. So this was really shocking, especially to
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Speaker 1: her friends who knew her and said she was really
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Speaker 1: friendly and outgoing and grew up with her. It really
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Speaker 1: hit them hard. You know, when I look at her
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Speaker 1: a photo, she's just she's just beautiful. She looks a
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Speaker 1: little bit to me like um Princess Megan, a little
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Speaker 1: bit to me, the long dark hair, the big beautiful
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Speaker 1: brown eyes, the gorgeous but you know, kind of a
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Speaker 1: kind of a distant smile but still smiling. Guys. Of course,
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Speaker 1: of course, the cops don't want to tell the world
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Speaker 1: that this young mom has been dismembered. Take us in
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Speaker 1: our physic KATU two reporter Bob High. This investigative shouldn't
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Speaker 1: started yesterday, Why, deputy say, they got a nine one
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Speaker 1: one call and found a woman's body in a car
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Speaker 1: just a few blocks from here. This photo from the
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Speaker 1: Washington County Sheriff's Office shows the car officers found with
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Speaker 1: the body of twenty eight year old Sarah zegoul of
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Speaker 1: Aloa inside. Authorities wouldn't confirm reports that Zagula's body had
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Speaker 1: been dismembered and put inside the car's trunk. Deputy's to
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Speaker 1: the spot where the car was found on Thursday after
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Speaker 1: a nine one one caller contacted the Sheriff's office worried
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Speaker 1: that someone had been killed the site where the car
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Speaker 1: was found. He's just three blocks from the house searched
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Speaker 1: by investigators all day Friday. Those are my neighbors right
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Speaker 1: next door, the really nice people. We see them every day.
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Speaker 1: Wrene Triplett knows the couple that lives in the house
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Speaker 1: and saw them with investigators outside the home Friday morning,
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Speaker 1: but she hasn't seen their adult son since the investigation began.
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Speaker 1: He lives there as far as I know, I think
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Speaker 1: since last summer. That's kind of when I started seeing him.
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Speaker 1: But yeah, other than that, I don't really know much
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Speaker 1: about him. What we know is that the body of
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Speaker 1: this young mom, Sierra Zigl twenty eight years old, absolutely stunning,
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Speaker 1: was taken apart and placed into two separate suitcases. Police
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Speaker 1: at the time, not confirming who alerted them to the
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Speaker 1: BMW part in the neighborhood. Take a listen to what
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Speaker 1: our medical examiner from the state of Florida has to say,
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Speaker 1: doctor Tim Gallagher. When we say body dismembered, you know,
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Speaker 1: you think of what you see in movies and on TV.
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Speaker 1: It's actually a very very difficult task to dismember a body. Well,
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Speaker 1: it certainly is Nancy, and it's not something that we
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Speaker 1: see very often. But you know, we have to keep
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Speaker 1: in mind that when we do see a dismembered body,
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Speaker 1: we first have to make sure that it is just
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Speaker 1: one body that is present in the dismemberment. But okay, now,
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Speaker 1: wait Gallagher, thank you so much. I hadn't even thought
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Speaker 1: of the you know, the mixing and matching of multiple
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Speaker 1: dismembered bodies. Now that's something for me to think about
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Speaker 1: tonight when I go to sleep. Thanks doctor Gallagher. Crime
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Speaker 1: Stories with Nancy Grace. I'm still trying to process this
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Speaker 1: disturbing crime. The home that sits behind me, it doesn't
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Speaker 1: sit far from Sarah's house. It is still surrounded by
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Speaker 1: police tape, and it was the scene of a massive
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Speaker 1: investigation earlier today. You never would expect that tap into
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Speaker 1: somebody that you know. Sarah's agoul's friends say she was
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Speaker 1: outgoing and friendly, always ready to brighten the room. She
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Speaker 1: was a very funny person. Everybody knew her and her
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Speaker 1: whole family. Gregory grew up ten minutes from her house.
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Speaker 1: He said, the teens in this neighborhood formed a tight
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Speaker 1: knit group throughout high school. I just feel so bad
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Speaker 1: for her family. The twenty eight year old was an
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Speaker 1: aspiring model an actress. Her friend and photographer Lester Side,
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Speaker 1: took these photos of her. He says it was something
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Speaker 1: she really enjoyed doing. Others tell us she had a
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Speaker 1: young son that meant everything to her. Nobody knows if
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Speaker 1: it was like a stranger, if it was like somebody
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Speaker 1: close to her. It's so yeah, I'm scary. Deputy say
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Speaker 1: they found her body in the BMW after receiving a
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Speaker 1: tip the idea to suspect and eventually picked him up
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Speaker 1: last night near Southwest Murray Boulevard and teel the body
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Speaker 1: of a beautiful young mom just twenty eight years old.
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Speaker 1: Here as a ghoul found in two separate suitcases. I
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Speaker 1: Nancy Grace. This his crime stories back to doctor Tim Gallagher,
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Speaker 1: medical examiner for the State of Florida. Doctor Gallagher, of
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Speaker 1: course you brought up the specter of could it be
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Speaker 1: two bodies? I asked you regard about how difficult it
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Speaker 1: is to actually dismember a body, because we've all seen
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Speaker 1: let's just say Dexter for example, which actually helped me
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Speaker 1: get through my pregnancy, Dexter and Mystery Woman. Anyway, Dexter,
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Speaker 1: it was kind of a airbrushed, edited version of a
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Speaker 1: serial killer that would often dismember bodies and you would
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Speaker 1: never really see blood. He would never have a difficult
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Speaker 1: time of it. It's very hard to dismember a body.
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Speaker 1: And the point of this is, doctor Gallagher, what the
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Speaker 1: killer went through premeditatively intentionally dismembering a body. Describe the
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Speaker 1: difficulty of that task, doctor Gallagher, Well, it's certainly difficult
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Speaker 1: for somebody who's not familiar with the anatomy of the
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Speaker 1: human body. But to cut through the flesh and to
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Speaker 1: cut through the bones, you need electrical equipment or a saw.
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Speaker 1: I mean, if you use a handsaw, it could certainly
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Speaker 1: take hours, hours and hours, with planning, taking breaks, and
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Speaker 1: just a lot of human streams, you know, to stop
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Speaker 1: right there, you make it sound like it's some a
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Speaker 1: union job. You got to take a break every couple
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Speaker 1: of hours for fifteen and go have a sig No.
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Speaker 1: Another thing, when you're talking about dismembering a body, are
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Speaker 1: the tool markings left on bones which will tell an
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Speaker 1: experienced medical examiner, a pathologist like doctor Tim Gallagher exactly
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Speaker 1: what happened. Explain what we mean by the words tool markings,
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Speaker 1: doctor Gallagher, Well, if you do use an instrument such
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Speaker 1: as a knife or a saw blade, the bone will
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Speaker 1: have a pattern on it from the saw blade. So
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Speaker 1: you can look at the pattern on the bone which
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Speaker 1: would which we call the tool mark or the mark
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Speaker 1: left by the tool used to cut the bone, and
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Speaker 1: we could identify what that tool is, whether it's a saw,
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Speaker 1: whether it's a blade, whether it's any other kind of
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Speaker 1: an instrument, and then take that piece of evidence and
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Speaker 1: trace it back to the tool that was used to
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Speaker 1: dismember the body. Guys, this young mom, I'm curious about
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Speaker 1: our background to Jennifer Dowling Kai in six, Portland, Oregon.
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Speaker 1: What do we know about Sarah Siguel because very often
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Speaker 1: the killer, you know what, Let me just throw this
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Speaker 1: out to doctor Liz divorce psychologist in Pennsylvania and New York.
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Speaker 1: Very often, well always, police start the investigation by those
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Speaker 1: closest to the victim. That's where you start the search
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Speaker 1: for a killer. Correct and why Yeah, so you can
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Speaker 1: hear the people that were interviewed explained that this is
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Speaker 1: a tight knit community. There's friends and associates that she's
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Speaker 1: had since high school. And so to get the most
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Speaker 1: accurate information of where she would be, what relationships she
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Speaker 1: may have, you are going to interview the people who
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Speaker 1: are closest with her to start that investigation and really
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Speaker 1: try to get as much gather as much information and
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Speaker 1: clues to lead you to answering and solving this horrific mystery.
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Speaker 1: James Sheldon at lawyer, a former swat and major case James,
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Speaker 1: the reality is you and I have been on the
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Speaker 1: streets for years and years and years. You start with
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Speaker 1: the husband, the boyfriend, the ex Why it's simple statistics
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Speaker 1: math explain? Oh yeah, I think if you look at
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Speaker 1: the statistics, the vast majority of homicides or committed by
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Speaker 1: people who are close, whether it's a spouse, whether it's
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Speaker 1: an immediate family member, or someone that they're an intimate
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Speaker 1: relationship with that is a majority of the homicide. It's
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Speaker 1: a very small portion of homicides occur between strangers, and
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Speaker 1: that is the logical place. And you know, as well
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Speaker 1: stated earlier, you start with the inner circle, closest to
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Speaker 1: the victim, and then walk your way out. I mean,
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Speaker 1: it's harsh, but true. Those closest to you are typically
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Speaker 1: when there are homicides, those closest to you are the
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Speaker 1: first suspects of first persons of interest. Why because it's
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Speaker 1: emotional to those people, emotional relationships, and they know them.
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Speaker 1: And it's those emotions that often drive murders to murder
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Speaker 1: because they're angry, they're passionate, all of these things that
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Speaker 1: misguide them, mislead them into committing these horrible crimes. The
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Speaker 1: other thing, Nancy, I have to add, when I have
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Speaker 1: a second listening to the description of what it takes
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Speaker 1: to decapitate someone, all I can say is this premeditated.
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Speaker 1: It's got to be. It takes hours and hours and hours.
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Speaker 1: And remember, when a jury is deliberating should this person
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Speaker 1: be apprehended and tried, a jury under the law can
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Speaker 1: take into consideration any and all activities before, yearing and
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Speaker 1: after the incident, including dismembering the body, so as did
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Speaker 1: German premeditation at the time of the killing itself. It
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Speaker 1: will be a difficult task to top it all off,
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Speaker 1: to not only put the body back together again. Typically
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Speaker 1: that's what medical examiners do, Gallagher, correct me if I'm wrong.
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Speaker 1: They lay out the body in its original shape. For instance,
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Speaker 1: let's just use the case of Kelly Anthony, the two
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Speaker 1: year old daughter of topmom Casey Anthony. They looked on
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Speaker 1: their hands and knees for hours and hours into the
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Speaker 1: night with spotlights trying to find all over two hundred bones.
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Speaker 1: Then they painstakingly put them together on for instance, the
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Speaker 1: doctor's examining table and try to reestablish the body. And
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Speaker 1: that is what they're doing. They will do with Sarah
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Speaker 1: Zugoul's body. The difficult task is to de German what
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Speaker 1: was the mode of death? The cause of death. When
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Speaker 1: you're dealing with a dismembered body, it's very very difficult
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Speaker 1: to why is that, doctor Gallagher, It's very difficult to
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Speaker 1: do to find the motive death because a lot of
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Speaker 1: the times the evidence that you need on the body,
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Speaker 1: the contusions, the incisions, even some of the bullet tracks,
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Speaker 1: will be lost due to decomposition, so we have to
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Speaker 1: use other methods by which we can identify what the
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Speaker 1: cause of death is, if possible at all. Well, what
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Speaker 1: you say, the evidence has lost you to DeCamp, But
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Speaker 1: what about the tearing the body apart, hack sawing, jig
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Speaker 1: sawing at apart. I would think that you would lose
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Speaker 1: evidence of a bullet entry or exit, or stabbing or asphyxiation,
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Speaker 1: particularly if she was decapitated at the neck. There may
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Speaker 1: be no evidence of asphyxiation or strangulation. I would think
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Speaker 1: that it would be more a problem with dismembering a
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Speaker 1: body as opposed to decomposition in determining the cause of death.
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Speaker 1: Doctor Gallagher, Well, the when you deconstruct a body, or
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Speaker 1: you dismember a body, the injuries to the torso, that
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Speaker 1: part of the body is never dissected. That part of
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Speaker 1: the body is very rarely except in the case of
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Speaker 1: the black Dahlia of course that was in Hollywood. The
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Speaker 1: torso is very rarely dissected. So the major organs, the heart,
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Speaker 1: the lungs can be checked for injury to see what
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Speaker 1: the cause of death is, whether that be a stabbing
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Speaker 1: or whether that be a shooting. But for strangulation. If
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Speaker 1: the head is decapitated and the neck is damage from
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Speaker 1: the instrument, from the saft from the knife, that's going
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Speaker 1: to be a little bit more difficult to identify a strangulation.
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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. It's a cool an actress, smodel,
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Speaker 1: and a mother to a young boy. A friend of
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Speaker 1: nearly ten years told me through Facebook. Cheese and absolute
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Speaker 1: wonderful woman as well as a great mother. I'm absolutely
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Speaker 1: disgusted with the fact that someone could do this to
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Speaker 1: such an amazing woman and mother. That's kat you two,
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Speaker 1: Reporter Keaton Thomas talking about Sarah Segel atress, model, mother
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Speaker 1: Jennifer Dowling with me Reporter k I N six, Portland, Oregon. Jennifer,
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Speaker 1: what else can you tell me about Sarah? I really
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Speaker 1: loves her young son and he is so cute to
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Speaker 1: look on her Instagram profile, she has a lot of
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Speaker 1: pictures of him on there, and she just wrote really
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Speaker 1: beautiful love notes to her child basically that said things
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Speaker 1: like what an amazing boy. God bless me with I
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Speaker 1: Love you to the moon and back an infinite number
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Speaker 1: of times. That looks like she posted that about six
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Speaker 1: months before her death. There in Aloa. She also wrote
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Speaker 1: about him my little Kaepernick and I lounging, and she
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Speaker 1: had pictures of him and her, you know, watching TV together.
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Speaker 1: She was very inspirational to her friends as well. They
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Speaker 1: also told us that she was just a bright light
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Speaker 1: in their life, and she posted a lot of inspirational
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Speaker 1: things on there as well, just for everyone to see.
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Speaker 1: She did a quote from Martin Luther King Jr. That's
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Speaker 1: the darkness cannot drive out darkness, only light can do that.
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Speaker 1: Hate cannot drive out hate, only love can do that.
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Speaker 1: She had that posted a MLK Junior quote on her page.
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Speaker 1: She also had a lot of modeling photos posted. She
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Speaker 1: did a lot of what looked like local gigs around town,
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Speaker 1: some runway shows, maybe some Instagram influencing. Looks like she
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Speaker 1: did a bridle shoot with some bridal gowns as part
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Speaker 1: of her modeling aspiring modeling career. She really enjoyed doing that.
21:39
Speaker 1: That's what her photographer and friend Lester Side told me.
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Speaker 1: She just was really beautiful and she was great in
21:46
Speaker 1: front of the camera, but she was also very you know,
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Speaker 1: lively and effrosstent in real life too. She just had
21:53
Speaker 1: a real energy about her that was very positive and
21:56
Speaker 1: made people smile, and friends told us that they really
21:59
Speaker 1: hope she's remembered that way now. According to some reports,
22:03
Speaker 1: she had been married and that she was a graduate
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Speaker 1: of the University of Portland. I'm looking at her now
22:11
Speaker 1: and she looks like a runway model. Who could have
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Speaker 1: done this? That Thursday night, around eleven pm, police received
22:22
Speaker 1: a nine one one call from a resident, Michael Larson,
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Speaker 1: who reports hearing a man screaming in a ravine calling
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Speaker 1: for help. Listen. They say that he was in a
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Speaker 1: wooded green space right behind some apartments here in Beaverton,
22:38
Speaker 1: and the only reason that they knew he was actually
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Speaker 1: here was that they heard him calling for help right
22:43
Speaker 1: there where my finger is. That's where he was leaning
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Speaker 1: up against and there's a little creek right down in there.
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Speaker 1: It was pitch black at about eleven o'clock Thursday night
22:50
Speaker 1: when Nancy Larson's thirteen year old daughter first heard it
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Speaker 1: from us that there was a man out here screaming
22:56
Speaker 1: for help. They later learned he was taken into custody
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Speaker 1: in connection with the death of twenty eight year old
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Speaker 1: sarah's agoul of Iloa. Her body was found earlier that
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Speaker 1: day inside this black BMW about three miles away at
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Speaker 1: Southwest Saralla Street and Hargus Road. Unfathomable to think that
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Speaker 1: something like that would happen in our community behind her apartment.
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Speaker 1: I was talking to him and just trying to keep
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Speaker 1: him calm while my husband was on the phone. Nine.
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Speaker 1: Larson recalled the brief conversation she had with the man.
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Speaker 1: Asked if he needed medical assistance, if he was bleeding,
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Speaker 1: and I just kept hearing I need help. So I
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Speaker 1: let him know that help was on the way, and
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Speaker 1: he said, thank you. Washington County Sheriff's deputies are not
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Speaker 1: releasing the man's name until they book him into jail.
23:41
Speaker 1: They also wouldn't confirm his condition when Beaverton police found
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Speaker 1: him Thursday night. Meanwhile, the forensics team was back inside
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Speaker 1: this Iloa home Saturday. They say it's associated with the suspect,
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Speaker 1: but they aren't releasing any new information at this time.
23:53
Speaker 1: You're hearing our friend and KATU two reporter Keaton Thomas.
23:57
Speaker 1: What do we learn that night day night after the
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Speaker 1: young mom's body is found dismembered and stuffed into two
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Speaker 1: suitcases in a black BMW there in a Treeline neighborhood,
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Speaker 1: around eleven PM. A little girl, here's a man calling
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Speaker 1: for help, sends her mom out to investigate, and she
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Speaker 1: sees and here's thirty six year old Jeremiah Johnson down
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Speaker 1: a ravene, worried about who else himself to Jennifer Dowling,
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Speaker 1: Kai N six, Portland, Oregon, why was he down a ravene?
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Speaker 1: And is it true he lived in the neighborhood with
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Speaker 1: his mother, Yes, Nancy, he lived close by with his mom.
24:38
Speaker 1: We believe this ravine was about under three miles from
24:42
Speaker 1: his mom's house. And nobody really knows why he chose
24:45
Speaker 1: that ravine because that hasn't been revealed yet. But I
24:49
Speaker 1: did speak with Michael Larson about that personally, and he
24:53
Speaker 1: described it as being very odd and something wasn't quite
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Speaker 1: right when he heard the man, which turned out to
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Speaker 1: Jeremiah Johnston, calling for help. They didn't know it at
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Speaker 1: the time that this was the man that would eventually
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Speaker 1: be involved in this case of a body in a car,
25:08
Speaker 1: and that completely shocked the Larson family. Michael told me
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Speaker 1: that he was yelling helped me from the ravine. It
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Speaker 1: was dark, of course, at around eleven o'clock, and he
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Speaker 1: and his wife called nine one one. Of course, he
25:20
Speaker 1: was on the phone with nine one one and he
25:23
Speaker 1: was just said, it was so surprising. The man wouldn't
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Speaker 1: answer questions, tell him his name, you know, tell him
25:28
Speaker 1: why he was down there. But he did describe police
25:31
Speaker 1: officers or detective deputies descending on the ravine maybe about
25:38
Speaker 1: an hour later after all this started and yelling, he's here,
25:41
Speaker 1: he's here, and he could see, you know, from their
25:43
Speaker 1: flashlights that this man was leaning up against a tree.
25:46
Speaker 1: And again it turned out to be Jeremiah Johnston. But
25:50
Speaker 1: we haven't been told yet. Wait a minute, he's leaning
25:53
Speaker 1: up against a tree, as in standing, So there was
25:56
Speaker 1: nothing wrong with him. I think he was sitting. He
25:59
Speaker 1: was sitting on the ground in the ravine and leaning
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Speaker 1: up against the tree and like yelling for help. I
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Speaker 1: don't The family lived in an upper level apartment. It
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Speaker 1: was really high above this ravine, so they couldn't see
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Speaker 1: very well. But you know, they told me they didn't
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Speaker 1: want to go down there in the dark to assist
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Speaker 1: someone that they didn't know what was happening with that person.
26:20
Speaker 1: Of course, that'd be really scary, especially if you have
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Speaker 1: a teenager in the house. You're not going to go
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Speaker 1: down there and risk your life who you don't know?
26:26
Speaker 1: Oh noh, you'd never leave a little girl in the
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Speaker 1: house and you go down a dark ravine. Okay, right there.
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Speaker 1: James shell Nutt twenty seven years much a major case
26:35
Speaker 1: swat officer and now lawyer. You know, when somebody won't
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Speaker 1: tell you their name, they want you to help them,
26:42
Speaker 1: but they won't give you any identification or tell you
26:45
Speaker 1: even their name, that's a problem. Yeah, that's a problem.
26:48
Speaker 1: And I will tell you, Nancy, and I think you
26:49
Speaker 1: might agree with this. Very rarely do people who really
26:53
Speaker 1: want to commit suicide slash their own throat. That's not common.
26:59
Speaker 1: I don't know that I ever saw that one time
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Speaker 1: when I was in full time law enforcement. To judge
27:04
Speaker 1: Ashley Wilcott try to lawyer anchor at court TV, Ashley
27:10
Speaker 1: refusing to identify yourself. That's never good. That's always the
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Speaker 1: first red flag because there's something nefarious of foot if
27:18
Speaker 1: you're not even willing to give your name unless you've
27:21
Speaker 1: sustained some type of injury where you don't know your name.
27:23
Speaker 1: But I would expect that's not the case here. And
27:27
Speaker 1: I just have to say one more thing. Crime of
27:28
Speaker 1: passion crimes of passion. That's what happens, and you start
27:32
Speaker 1: looking at when you have someone who first red flag,
27:36
Speaker 1: don't want to give you my name. Crime Stories with
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Speaker 1: Nancy Grace. Thirty five year old Geraldmiah Johnston is being
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Speaker 1: held in the Washington County Jail without bail to night.
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Speaker 1: This follows nearly a week in the hospital before he
28:03
Speaker 1: was booked. Johnston is accused of killing twenty eight year
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Speaker 1: old Sarah Zagoul. He's charged with her murder and abuse
28:09
Speaker 1: of a corpse. Our main priority is making sure we
28:13
Speaker 1: do a really thrown investigation that we honor her legacy
28:16
Speaker 1: and bring closure and justice for the family. Her body
28:20
Speaker 1: was found inside a car last Thursday, less than a
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Speaker 1: half mile from her house on one hundred and seventy
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Speaker 1: first Place. Johnston has been in and out of jail
28:28
Speaker 1: since twenty eleven, and most recently last September. Investigators have
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Speaker 1: not released details about johnston charges nor how he got
28:36
Speaker 1: those marks on his neck. Our friend Steve Dune at
28:39
Speaker 1: Katu two, So the thirty six year old neighbor who
28:43
Speaker 1: lives alone with his mother, Jeremiah Johnson Aggain aged thirty six.
28:48
Speaker 1: How many times do you think he watched this young mom,
28:52
Speaker 1: a doting mother twenty eight years old, a model and
28:55
Speaker 1: aspiring actress, go in and out of her home with
28:59
Speaker 1: her little boy boy. Jennifer Dowling Kai n six, Portland, Oregon.
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Speaker 1: Tell me about where they lived in that neighborhood. Would
29:08
Speaker 1: he have seen her? Yeah, it's quite possible. Her family
29:11
Speaker 1: home was less than a half a mile from his
29:14
Speaker 1: mother's home, so it's very possible that the two could
29:17
Speaker 1: have seen each other just in passing. They actually had
29:21
Speaker 1: mutual acquaintances, We still don't know if they did, or
29:24
Speaker 1: what the relationship was. If they did know each other,
29:28
Speaker 1: but the acquaintance said, boy, I didn't even know that
29:31
Speaker 1: they were friends or knew each other, meaning that he
29:34
Speaker 1: thought they had no relationships. But they did live very
29:37
Speaker 1: close to each other, and it was a close knit neighborhood.
29:40
Speaker 1: It's possible. We'll have to wait for more details to
29:43
Speaker 1: come out during the court process. Perhaps well, I mean
29:46
Speaker 1: he had to have seen her in order to kill her.
29:49
Speaker 1: Question who's was it, Jennifer, Well, there was there was
29:53
Speaker 1: a report from an acquaintance that it was his BMW,
29:56
Speaker 1: but that has not been confirmed by police. The Laitans
30:00
Speaker 1: and the guy who said he was a friend of
30:03
Speaker 1: Jeremiah Johnson said that the BMW looked like Johnson Black BMW,
30:07
Speaker 1: but again no confirmation yet from police were still waiting
30:10
Speaker 1: to learn more in depth details about that. And Jennifer,
30:12
Speaker 1: is it true he lived at home with his mother?
30:15
Speaker 1: That is true. He was released from prison about three
30:18
Speaker 1: months prior to this. I hid the two some court documents,
30:22
Speaker 1: and then he was living with his mom at that time,
30:26
Speaker 1: again not very far from more of her family homework.
30:28
Speaker 1: And why was he in jail, Jennifer. There was a
30:32
Speaker 1: number of charges, many drug related, as she will kie.
30:36
Speaker 1: Can you imagine how many times he watched her in
30:39
Speaker 1: that neighborhood, going in and out of the home with
30:42
Speaker 1: her little boy until he finally murdered her. Yeah, that's
30:46
Speaker 1: what's so horrible is again it goes to the premeditation
30:48
Speaker 1: and these are You said it earlier, Nancy, and it
30:50
Speaker 1: hits right on the spot. In this case. Predator, He
30:54
Speaker 1: was a predator. There are predators out there. The other
30:57
Speaker 1: thing I have to say is, you know, individuals like
31:00
Speaker 1: this man do not care whether they're children or not.
31:03
Speaker 1: They do not care if their victim is a mother.
31:05
Speaker 1: That is something that they don't give any thought too.
31:08
Speaker 1: You know. The other thing is he was down that
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Speaker 1: ravine and had to go to the hospital because he
31:13
Speaker 1: tried to kill himself. He was very successful at murdering Sarah,
31:18
Speaker 1: leaving her son without a mom but oops didn't work
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Speaker 1: on the suicide at TIMP. I mean we see that
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Speaker 1: all the time. Is it true? Jennifer Dowling n six
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Speaker 1: that he had cuts on his hands as well, he
31:34
Speaker 1: had cuts on his neck and wrist. I did not
31:36
Speaker 1: hear that he had cuts on his hand. I mean,
31:38
Speaker 1: that's entirely possible. I just hadn't come across that information.
31:42
Speaker 1: But the sheriff office did say that he did try
31:45
Speaker 1: to kill himself and those wounds were a result of
31:48
Speaker 1: that on his back end, wrist, and he was also
31:51
Speaker 1: under what appeared to be a suicide watch for a
31:54
Speaker 1: time while he was making his first appearances. Take a
31:57
Speaker 1: Listen to our friends at Kath. It lasted a total
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Speaker 1: of forty seconds. Johnston entered a not guilty plea. But
32:04
Speaker 1: there may be a lot more to this case, because
32:06
Speaker 1: the court has also sealed records connected to Johnston's arrest
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Speaker 1: that might detail what authorities believe happened in this case.
32:13
Speaker 1: Court documents also confirmed for the very first time that
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Speaker 1: authorities believed Johnston cut Sarah Zegoul's body into pieces after
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Speaker 1: allegedly killing her, a long cut clearly visible on his neck,
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Speaker 1: cuts that kept him in the hospital until he was
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Speaker 1: booked into jail Wednesday night. Jeremiah Johnston didn't speak at
32:35
Speaker 1: all during his brief court appearance. Attorney entered a not
32:38
Speaker 1: guilty plea for Johnston to charges that he murdered twenty
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Speaker 1: eight year old actress and model Sarah zegoula Aloa. Sheriff's
32:45
Speaker 1: investigators say they got a nine one one call last
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Speaker 1: Thursday from someone worried that Zegoul might be in danger.
32:50
Speaker 1: They found her dismembered body inside this BMW sedan. This
32:54
Speaker 1: map shows where Zigoul and Johnston both lived, where the
32:57
Speaker 1: car was found near Johnston's home, and the site in
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Speaker 1: Beaverton where Johnston was taken into custody the night authorities
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Speaker 1: found Zagoule's remains. Okay, wait a minute, Jennifer dwlling, were
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Speaker 1: there two nine one calls because that said someone called
33:09
Speaker 1: because they were concerned about Sarah's ugul's safety. Then there
33:13
Speaker 1: was the nine on one call when they heard Johnson
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Speaker 1: down a ravine after it has failed attempt at suicide. Well,
33:19
Speaker 1: can you tell me about two nine one one calls. Well,
33:21
Speaker 1: it's interesting that a call came in indicating that Sarah
33:26
Speaker 1: could have been in the trunk of this car. And
33:30
Speaker 1: it's I'm not sure if the caller said, yes, Sarah's
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Speaker 1: in that car or if they just said a body
33:35
Speaker 1: in that car, But it's interesting that that was the
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Speaker 1: first call that tipped investigators ask to her body and
33:43
Speaker 1: being able to locate her. And then the second nine
33:45
Speaker 1: one call, of course, is equally as strange that this
33:52
Speaker 1: Jeremiah Johnson was in a ravine with neck wounds and
33:55
Speaker 1: wrist wounds and calling for help again refusing to say
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Speaker 1: his name, and that's police picked him up fairly quickly
34:03
Speaker 1: after that and took him to the hospital where he
34:06
Speaker 1: was treated. And then a few days later he was
34:08
Speaker 1: agonizing for the community to figure out exactly who might
34:11
Speaker 1: be responsible for this crime, who was going to be
34:13
Speaker 1: accused in this crime, because there was a lot of
34:16
Speaker 1: fear and concern about who might have done this. And
34:19
Speaker 1: it was a few days before his name was released
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Speaker 1: and the Sheriff's office reported on who they were charging
34:26
Speaker 1: and it was a little bit agonizing. I mean, everybody
34:29
Speaker 1: was concerned. I'm sure it was very agonizing with a
34:32
Speaker 1: little boy without his mother. We have learned that Sarah's
34:34
Speaker 1: body found inside Jeremiah Johnson's black BMW according to Johnson's
34:40
Speaker 1: friend Chase Haverfield. We also know that he's facing charges
34:45
Speaker 1: of murder and abuse of a corpse, which means, according
34:49
Speaker 1: to ABC thirteen, there locally he is suspected I'm engaging
34:53
Speaker 1: in sex activity with the corps or dismembering, mutilating, cutting,
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Speaker 1: or striking the corpse. Now we also know that that's
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Speaker 1: not all. Take a listen to our friends at Box twelve.
35:07
Speaker 1: This is Brianna Kelly. Fox twelve has learned that a
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Speaker 1: man accused of killing a woman in Aloa almost a
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Speaker 1: year ago is now accused of trying to hire a
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Speaker 1: hitman from jail. Jeremiah Johnston pleaded not guilty last year
35:19
Speaker 1: to charges he was facing in connection to the death
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Speaker 1: of twenty eight year old Sarah Zugoule. Foxwell's Brenna Kelly
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Speaker 1: is live in studio to explain what else we've learned
35:27
Speaker 1: from this new indictment. Brenna Well Pete Norah. Jeremiah Johnson
35:30
Speaker 1: was already facing charges of murder and abuse of corpse
35:33
Speaker 1: in connection to the death of Sarah Zegoul, and now,
35:36
Speaker 1: according to a superseding indictment file December tenth, prosecutors are
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Speaker 1: accusing him of trying to hire someone from jail to
35:43
Speaker 1: kill a witness. This is months after he was charged
35:45
Speaker 1: with the twenty eight year old woman's death. Court papers
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Speaker 1: show between May twenty eighth and July twenty sixth of
35:50
Speaker 1: last year, Johnston tried to solicit a man to murder
35:53
Speaker 1: a witness in criminal proceedings. Now, Johnston faces additional charges
35:58
Speaker 1: including attempted aggravated murder, criminal conspiracy of a felony, and solicitation.
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Speaker 1: The original charges stem from January of last year. Court
36:07
Speaker 1: documents accused Johnston of killing Zagoul on January twentieth. Deputies
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Speaker 1: say they found her body in a car and a
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Speaker 1: low of five days later, and Johnston was arrested several
36:17
Speaker 1: hours after that. Records show her body was dismembered, and
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Speaker 1: Washington County deputies previously confirmed to us the two knew
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Speaker 1: each other, would have not revealed exactly how Friends at
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Speaker 1: Segouls say she was an actress and model and a
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Speaker 1: loving mother. We wait as justice unfolds Nancy Grace crime story,
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Speaker 1: signing off goodbye for