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IFH 778: Crafting Over 160 Films, Tales of Creativity, Conflict, and Cinematic Hustle with Jim Wynorski · Indie Film Hustle® - A Filmmaking Podcast

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  Speaker 5: I just thought of, you know, hey, look, you know
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  Speaker 5: this guy directed one hundred and fifty movies, so why
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  Speaker 5: not just name it that. I mean, you know, after all,
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  Speaker 5: the guy has done every genre you could think of,
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  Speaker 5: and it just it makes more sense than than anything else.
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  Speaker 4: I was gonna call it.
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  Speaker 3: So without further ado, With guests Jim Wan.
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  Speaker 4: Noorsky, Dave. I'm happy to be here.
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  Speaker 5: Because you know, Jim, you and I have been not
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  Speaker 5: only Facebook friends for a while, but I mean I'm
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  Speaker 5: a huge fan of your work obviously because I don't
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  Speaker 5: know a single filmmaker who hasn't stumbled upon one of
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  Speaker 5: your films, you know, And just to rattle off a
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  Speaker 5: few of them, we have to we have to mention
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  Speaker 5: Shopping Mall, desktalk okay, Desk Talker two, the retort of
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  Speaker 5: Swamp Thing nine seven six Evil two. And as we
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  Speaker 5: were just talking about, you know, you did Camel Spiders
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  Speaker 5: with a Brad who's actually been on the podcast, and
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  Speaker 5: you know he actually co wrote Camel Spiders, so you
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  Speaker 5: know he did, so so there you go. And also
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  Speaker 5: I forgot I also I almost forgot to mention Sorority
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  Speaker 5: House Massacre two and Hard to Die, which, which by
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  Speaker 5: the way, is what actually got us talking because they're
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  Speaker 5: coming out in Blu Ray and I wanted to show
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  Speaker 5: you a message. And uh, you know, Jim, it's just
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  Speaker 5: really great to have you on the podcast.
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  Speaker 4: Well thank you, Dave.
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  Speaker 3: So so Jim, just to get.
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  Speaker 5: It started off, I mean, you know you started off
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  Speaker 5: your career, I mean just coming right out of the gate,
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  Speaker 5: like I mean, you just came out swinging.
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  Speaker 3: Uh So, you know, I.
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  Speaker 5: Wanted to ask Jim, how how did you get started
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  Speaker 5: in this in this wacky, wacky world?
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  Speaker 4: All right, well that's the question everybody always asks, and
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  Speaker 4: I'm kind of sick of answering it, but I want
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  Speaker 4: to make it quick.
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  Speaker 3: Okay, a different question.
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  Speaker 4: I worked. No, No, it's fine, Okay. I worked in
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  Speaker 4: New York as a directing commercials, and uh, I always
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  Speaker 4: headed in my head that I wanted to come out
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  Speaker 4: here and direct movies. So I I packed up my
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  Speaker 4: stuff in a car and drove across country, and uh,
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  Speaker 4: I came out here, and I was willing to do
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  Speaker 4: almost anything to get into directing movies. And I struggled
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  Speaker 4: for about two and a half three years doing anything
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  Speaker 4: I could, and finally I got someone to read some
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  Speaker 4: of my scripts and all led to work with Roger Corman,
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  Speaker 4: and finally I got, you know, to direct the movie
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  Speaker 4: in nineteen eighty three. So now I was the Lost Empire.
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  Speaker 4: And then from there on I said, I'm hit it
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  Speaker 4: straight up the ladder, and my next film is chopping
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  Speaker 4: all and desked up a two big bed Mamitude and
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  Speaker 4: out of this earth. The list kind of goes on
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  Speaker 4: and on. I think I'm up to about one hundred
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  Speaker 4: and sixty five, one hundred and seventy movies at this point.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, you and Takashi Mecka are so prolific in just
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  Speaker 5: directing movies. I mean, it's just I think you guys
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  Speaker 5: are really machines because you just, I mean both of
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  Speaker 5: you are able to you know, get things made and
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  Speaker 5: actually you know, direct these products and actually get them
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  Speaker 5: out there.
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  Speaker 3: And that is that in of itself. Any three phases of.
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  Speaker 5: What I just actually mentioned are are difficult enough, but
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  Speaker 5: you guys just are rolling with them.
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  Speaker 4: You it.
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  Speaker 5: Takashi Meka, I don't know who that is, but I'm
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  Speaker 5: sure he's very successful.
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  Speaker 4: And I try to me to.
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  Speaker 3: Say, yeah, it's Kashia Mecha.
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  Speaker 5: There's a lot of like Japanese horror films like Audition.
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  Speaker 4: Ah, Okay, then that's why I'm not familiar with his name.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm a huge nerd who has no life. Jim
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  Speaker 5: souh okay, no problem, no problem.
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  Speaker 4: So you know, I'm sure I could name a couple
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  Speaker 4: of directors know what he's ever heard of? Too? But
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  Speaker 4: the thing is, it's it's if the guy is prolific,
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  Speaker 4: then a guy's prolific. I've slowed down in the last
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  Speaker 4: couple of years, but I'm still I'm still cranking. And
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  Speaker 4: when it was one summer where I made one summer
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  Speaker 4: one year where I've about six movies that year, and
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  Speaker 4: that was like it was almost too much, kind of
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  Speaker 4: burned me out. But again, between writing, producing, and directing,
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  Speaker 4: I got about one hundred and sixty five or maybe
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  Speaker 4: one hundred and seventy. I don't know. I haven't counted,
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  Speaker 4: but it's up there.
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  Speaker 5: So let's talk about that. Jim, how do you make
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  Speaker 5: you know, six movies in a year? I mean, you know,
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  Speaker 5: I mean there's obviously some post production with each of them,
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  Speaker 5: So are you starting one like in post production and
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  Speaker 5: that way?
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  Speaker 4: You know?
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  Speaker 5: Did it sort of work out that way or did
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  Speaker 5: you have a plane where You're going to do six
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  Speaker 5: movies in one year?
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  Speaker 4: Oh well, no, I didn't have ever have a plan.
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  Speaker 4: It always happened when people would flow me up and
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  Speaker 4: saying I'm doing this film, are you available? And I
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  Speaker 4: don't think I ever said I wasn't a couple of
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  Speaker 4: times I said I wasn't available because I did not
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  Speaker 4: like the project. But most times, I you know, if
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  Speaker 4: it was an interesting topic or an interesting film or
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  Speaker 4: r film or I've done every genre you can imagine it.
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  Speaker 4: And this, you know, was a case where I would
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  Speaker 4: start pre pre production online while I'm doing it another
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  Speaker 4: and you can do both. The only time you can't
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  Speaker 4: really do anything else is during production of the movie. Yeah,
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  Speaker 4: very true.
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  Speaker 5: I mean, because you know, doing six movies in a year,
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  Speaker 5: I mean that that is a pretty challenging task. I
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  Speaker 5: actually had somebody on here who who made twelve short
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  Speaker 5: films in a year. So each month he was making
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  Speaker 5: a short film, and by the end he was so
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  Speaker 5: burned out and tired he was like, I never want
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  Speaker 5: to do this again.
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  Speaker 3: And just because.
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  Speaker 5: Obviously, as you can imagine, it's just so much. You know,
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  Speaker 5: every month, it's like you're year before, you're done the
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  Speaker 5: morning and you're already playing for the next one.
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  Speaker 6: Well, it only happened a couple of comments, you know,
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  Speaker 6: where I was working that hard. Other times, you know,
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  Speaker 6: it was down to like sometimes I did only one
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  Speaker 6: a year, it was for a year, and it was
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  Speaker 6: just you know, it kind of evened itself out, so
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  Speaker 6: each film, each film was a was a kind of
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  Speaker 6: a nice experience because I got to do something different
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  Speaker 6: and it took me a lot of times. The films
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  Speaker 6: took me to foreign countries, et cetera. And that was
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  Speaker 6: all a lot of fun.
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  Speaker 5: So when you got started and he started to work
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  Speaker 5: with Roger Corman, I mean, Roger Corman is such a
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  Speaker 5: well known producer. He wrote the book you know how
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  Speaker 5: I made a thousand movies and never lost a dime.
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  Speaker 5: You know what, what are some of the things that
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  Speaker 5: you learned just working from him? Work working with him?
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  Speaker 4: Sorry, well, I learned about distribution. I learned about how
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  Speaker 4: to make the movie for the for an audience, and
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  Speaker 4: not to make a movie for yourself, because if you
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  Speaker 4: make a moviek for yourself sometimes not going to sell.
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  Speaker 4: So I always like tried to figure out what my
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  Speaker 4: audience was or are going to be, and I would
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  Speaker 4: aim to make a movie that was successful. And you know,
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  Speaker 4: I had a couple of bombs. We all have a
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  Speaker 4: couple of bombs, but you know, in each case, I
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  Speaker 4: tried as hard as I could to make the right
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  Speaker 4: kind of movie. And even then, you know, there's always
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  Speaker 4: somebody who likes the movie you don't like. So I
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  Speaker 4: get emails and notes from people all the time about
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  Speaker 4: a movie I've kind of forgotten that they love, so
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  Speaker 4: it all again works out in the watch.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, So, like, what are some of the movies that
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  Speaker 5: people bring up to you, Like, you know, you were
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  Speaker 5: just describing, Like, what are some of the movies that
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  Speaker 5: they sort of bring up that you've kind of forgotten about.
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  Speaker 4: Oh, you know, I think so many, Dave, I, you know,
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  Speaker 4: and I don't want to negate any of them, but
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  Speaker 4: there's a couple of it, you know, I haven't watched
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  Speaker 4: it a long time, just you know, I don't know
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  Speaker 4: which one to pick. You know that I tried my best,
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  Speaker 4: my damn this with each one, and and I'm always
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  Speaker 4: trying to you know, you always have the second guess
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  Speaker 4: what's going to be popular six months from the time
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  Speaker 4: you make your movie, and that's what it's going to
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  Speaker 4: be selling. And I was pretty good at it in
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  Speaker 4: the eighties and nineties, and even now with video changing
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  Speaker 4: and no more DVDs and et cetera, et cetera, you
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  Speaker 4: have to kind of always be on the lookout for
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  Speaker 4: what's coming up and what's what trends are gonna come along.
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  Speaker 4: The Internet has changed the way we watch movies.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, it's as I mean, because you look at a
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  Speaker 5: movie like Chopping Mall, you know, and that takes place,
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  Speaker 5: you know, inside of the mall obviously, and you know
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  Speaker 5: it's I mean, malls don't even exist anymore, so you know,
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  Speaker 5: we'll move For the most part, they don't. But you know,
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  Speaker 5: it's like a That's why I like the movie even
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  Speaker 5: more now, because it's like a slice of Americana that
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  Speaker 5: doesn't exist, you know what I mean that I've sort
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  Speaker 5: of just gone the way of the Dodos.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, well yeah, but people say, why don't you remake it?
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  Speaker 4: And of course I say, absolutely not. Why should I
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  Speaker 4: remake something that's good in the first place? You know. Yeah,
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  Speaker 4: I like coming I like coming into doing a part
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  Speaker 4: two on a movie that I didn't care for and
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  Speaker 4: seeking what I could do, or doing a part three
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  Speaker 4: or a part four. I ever did a Part Tree,
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  Speaker 4: but I did a lot of Part twos, and I
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  Speaker 4: did a couple of Part four us, but it was
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  Speaker 4: a lot of it. You know. It's it's fun to
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  Speaker 4: go in and try to do something different from the
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  Speaker 4: thing that's coming forward, and to remake Chopping Wall is ridiculous.
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  Speaker 4: You know, if you like making Jaws two, however good
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  Speaker 4: it is, it's not jos okay, and so I I
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  Speaker 4: mean you could Josh two was actually a very good movie,
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  Speaker 4: but it's Jaws too, and nobody nobody cares about it
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  Speaker 4: because it's part two. But you know, Sames true, So
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  Speaker 4: same mold's true for Chopping Wall. I don't like, uh
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  Speaker 4: to tie my own hat, but I think that film
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  Speaker 4: is a perfect example of the time, and you couldn't
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  Speaker 4: make it today. You could, but it wouldn't be the same.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, it wouldn't be the same.
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  Speaker 5: And I remember I saw a Facebook post from you
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  Speaker 5: about somebody was trying to make a Chopping Mall two
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  Speaker 5: or something or or there was a news article that
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  Speaker 5: from some movie website.
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  Speaker 4: That guy's been trying to make that film for a
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  Speaker 4: dozen years. He doesn't have the rights, and every every
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  Speaker 4: year or so he comes along and says he's going
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  Speaker 4: to do it, and you know, after ten years, just
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  Speaker 4: you know, shut up and move along. So and I
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  Speaker 4: have part of the right, So he's not going to
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  Speaker 4: make it without talking to me first. And I don't
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  Speaker 4: want to give up those rights unless somebody came along
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  Speaker 4: with a million dollars and I'll I'll take it and
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  Speaker 4: them go make it. It'll bomb and mine will still
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  Speaker 4: be on top.
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  Speaker 5: It's kind of like what John Carverner said, you know,
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  Speaker 5: because whenever they do a remake, he said, people would
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  Speaker 5: ask him aout what he feels about it, and he
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  Speaker 5: would just say, well, it's it's good because I open
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  Speaker 5: up my hands and I check magically appears.
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  Speaker 4: That's it. That's it. And you know, they they they
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  Speaker 4: all these remakes that are coming along. I'm so sick
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  Speaker 4: of them. They never they never do it better because
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  Speaker 4: they're always trying to remake a hit movie. It's better
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  Speaker 4: to go to remake a movie that was a bomb,
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  Speaker 4: but they won't do that because it's not financially viable.
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  Speaker 4: But you know, I'd love to see a Beast of
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  Speaker 4: Yucca flight remade, or you know, the Crawl the Creeping
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  Speaker 4: Terror remade, but they're not going to do it because
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  Speaker 4: you could or play. I think someone did remake Plan nine,
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  Speaker 4: but it was probably even worse than the original. So anyway,
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  Speaker 4: I try to stay away from reboots.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, I know, there's so many remakes and and and
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  Speaker 5: the movies based on TV shows and stuff. Now very
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  Speaker 5: rarely are they ever any good. I just I sometimes
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  Speaker 5: I'll say what I feel, Jim. I look at these
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  Speaker 5: posters and I sometimes I watch one Blu Ray and
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  Speaker 5: very and sometimes I even go see him in theaters,
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  Speaker 5: and I kind of wonder beyond me because I'm not
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  Speaker 5: your normal moviegoer. Obviously, I wonder who these movies are
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  Speaker 5: marketed for.
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  Speaker 3: Uh you know what I mean?
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  Speaker 5: I mean, are they marketed to people who used to
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  Speaker 5: watch the show or or what have you.
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  Speaker 4: I don't think, though, I don't think. I mean, look
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  Speaker 4: at things like Wild Wow, Wet or The Man from Uncle.
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  Speaker 4: They're not even close to the old shows. So if
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  Speaker 4: you like the old shows, these songs stunk, and they stunk.
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  Speaker 4: They think bad. And you know, usually when I thought
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  Speaker 4: the only one that got to kind of write was
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  Speaker 4: Get Smart, because they they kind of got it right.
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  Speaker 4: But most of these TV show where he makes like
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  Speaker 4: they watch and stuff, they don't know what they're doing.
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  Speaker 4: Chips they did the chips. These things all fell on
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  Speaker 4: their aster, didn't if they keep reminikating, you.
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  Speaker 5: Know, and you know it's sad, Jim. I see, I've
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  Speaker 5: seen all the movies. Yet you just named Chips and
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  Speaker 5: I saw Baywatch too. You know again, I'm not your
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  Speaker 5: average moviegoer, but you know, it's just with Chips, I
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  Speaker 5: kind of wondered even more so where they were going Baywatch,
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  Speaker 5: I can you know, I mean people on a beach,
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  Speaker 5: I mean, you know, in in bikinis or what have you.
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  Speaker 5: That kind of writes itself, so to speak. With Chips,
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  Speaker 5: it's almost like a whole different you know, you know
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  Speaker 5: what I mean, It's a whole different thing, you know.
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  Speaker 5: And and to be honest with you, Jim, I thought
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  Speaker 5: they were gonna go really I thought they were gonna
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  Speaker 5: go real edgy with it.
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  Speaker 3: Okay, I thought they were gonna.
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  Speaker 5: Go real edgy and say, hey, you know what, there's
• 16:45
  Speaker 5: a lot of there's a lot of different protests again
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  Speaker 5: against police, there's you know this and that. You know what,
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  Speaker 5: if they they almost played into something like that and
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  Speaker 5: at least it would be a refreshing take on it
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  Speaker 5: rather than you know what it was. And obviously, you know,
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  Speaker 5: there's a lot of different people giving input on different things.
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  Speaker 5: But I don't know, I just thought if there was
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  Speaker 5: like an edge to it, maybe, you know what I mean,
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  Speaker 5: it just had.
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  Speaker 3: A little bit of a hard comedy, you know what
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  Speaker 3: I mean.
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  Speaker 5: I think it would have been able to separate itself
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  Speaker 5: a little better, a dave.
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  Speaker 4: I gave it ten minutes and I said, screw this, okay,
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  Speaker 4: And I didn't like the original TV show. I said, Oh,
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  Speaker 4: I don't know, but maybe they'll do something different. But
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  Speaker 4: whatever tack they took, I don't like it. And you know,
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  Speaker 4: so I stay away from that stuff trying to make
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  Speaker 4: you know, if you look at most of my films,
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  Speaker 4: even though part twos and part fours are usually different
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  Speaker 4: from part one, My Death's Doctor two has nothing to
• 17:50
  Speaker 4: do with Deest Talctor one. Goolise four has nothing to
• 17:55
  Speaker 4: do with Gooli's one, two and three except for the
• 17:59
  Speaker 4: fact I went back and I got the original guy
• 18:02
  Speaker 4: Goolies could beginners to be the lead. But most of
• 18:07
  Speaker 4: my and My Big Bad Mama two, it's not a
• 18:11
  Speaker 4: like Big Band Mama one. I tried to do something
• 18:14
  Speaker 4: different and that was that was fun. You know. I
• 18:18
  Speaker 4: always wanted to work in different genres like westerns, gangster,
• 18:23
  Speaker 4: sci fi, horror, comedy, for family. I've done everything I
• 18:29
  Speaker 4: have in a war movie, but that's not my bag.
• 18:34
  Speaker 4: So Anyway, next question.
• 18:39
  Speaker 3: Well, you know we'll be speaking of you know, sequels,
• 18:42
  Speaker 3: and you said, you know you did part two is
• 18:43
  Speaker 3: of part threees.
• 18:44
  Speaker 5: You know what got us talking was, uh, you know
• 18:46
  Speaker 5: on Blu Ray is going to be so already House
• 18:48
  Speaker 5: Massacre two and Hard to Die, which is, you know,
• 18:52
  Speaker 5: a continuation of of the of the Whole the Whole
• 18:55
  Speaker 5: hawk Shutter uh Saga so uh as all Star Jim.
• 19:01
  Speaker 4: What I wanted to say is Sorty has Massacre Too.
• 19:04
  Speaker 4: Did not start off as Soorty as Bonsaker two. It
• 19:07
  Speaker 4: was filmed under the title Nighty Nightmare, and then Roger
• 19:14
  Speaker 4: retitled that Soorty Has Massacre Too. But the original title
• 19:18
  Speaker 4: was ninety Nightmare, and I would have preferred it gone
• 19:22
  Speaker 4: out under that title. But when when that film was finished,
• 19:26
  Speaker 4: he said, make it again because it was such a success.
• 19:30
  Speaker 4: So I just made it again and I added even
• 19:33
  Speaker 4: more stilliness to it, which is hard to Die. And
• 19:38
  Speaker 4: I'm so glad that those those those two films are
• 19:42
  Speaker 4: finally coming back on the Blu Ray.
• 19:45
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• 19:52
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• 19:55
  Speaker 5: Yeah, especially Hard to Die because again, like you said,
• 19:59
  Speaker 5: you you know you up the comedy of it, and
• 20:01
  Speaker 5: I think it's especially funny because especially with the amount
• 20:04
  Speaker 5: of times you know, I'm sorry, the amount of times
• 20:08
  Speaker 5: that that that the what's his name, ketcham Orville catch him.
• 20:12
  Speaker 4: Or Louis catch him.
• 20:13
  Speaker 5: Yeah, the amount of times and the brutality he goes
• 20:16
  Speaker 5: through in the movie.
• 20:17
  Speaker 3: I mean, literally, he's gonna stop.
• 20:20
  Speaker 4: I mean there's a scene there where he falls off
• 20:22
  Speaker 4: a twenty five story building and and I remember when
• 20:27
  Speaker 4: he falls off. I did a Warner Brothers cartoon thing
• 20:30
  Speaker 4: and I shook the picture like what he hit. So
• 20:35
  Speaker 4: it was a true comedy and and you know, some
• 20:40
  Speaker 4: people still take it seriously, but I was winking at everybody.
• 20:44
  Speaker 4: Very hats fell because I said, this guy was indestructible
• 20:49
  Speaker 4: in the first film, so let's really put him through
• 20:51
  Speaker 4: the Ringer and part two, he's like stabbed, he's throwing
• 20:56
  Speaker 4: down an he's throw off a building and down the
• 21:02
  Speaker 4: flight a couple of flights of stairs and they stab
• 21:05
  Speaker 4: them with her with a with a stapler, and and
• 21:08
  Speaker 4: they shoot him with a machine gun a zillion times,
• 21:12
  Speaker 4: and yet he still comes back, which is great. I
• 21:16
  Speaker 4: wanted to make a third, but but uh, I never
• 21:19
  Speaker 4: got around through it, and it's too late to go
• 21:21
  Speaker 4: back and do it another one.
• 21:23
  Speaker 5: What was your idea for a third installment?
• 21:26
  Speaker 4: Oh, it's called It's mentioned at the end of part two.
• 21:29
  Speaker 4: It says Orville will return in all Orville and orbit,
• 21:34
  Speaker 4: and I wanted that they look where he goes into
• 21:36
  Speaker 4: out but because of his they think he's evil. They
• 21:41
  Speaker 4: send him into orbit and Hawksteader comes and starts invade,
• 21:48
  Speaker 4: invades the space station and they have to find his
• 21:52
  Speaker 4: orbiting off and get him out of it and put
• 21:55
  Speaker 4: him and put him in. So he things the girls
• 21:58
  Speaker 4: at the space station. That was the plan, and because
• 22:04
  Speaker 4: he had some sci fi said at the dime, and
• 22:06
  Speaker 4: I was going to do that, but I never got
• 22:08
  Speaker 4: around to it.
• 22:10
  Speaker 5: So you went to fund Yeah, yeah, because you had
• 22:13
  Speaker 5: the idea for for like a monster move in space
• 22:16
  Speaker 5: before you know, Jason went to space, Leprechaun went to space,
• 22:20
  Speaker 5: so you had you had those ideas before then.
• 22:23
  Speaker 4: Well, I'm not really sure about the time thing, but
• 22:28
  Speaker 4: you know, this was ninety one when I did Hard
• 22:30
  Speaker 4: to Die and so Orgon in orbit was thought of
• 22:36
  Speaker 4: and and kind of headed out there around ninety one.
• 22:40
  Speaker 4: So yeah, I don't I don't know when Leprechauns were done.
• 22:45
  Speaker 4: But but I just know ninety one was when I
• 22:49
  Speaker 4: kind of came up with Oreblond Orbit. I just got
• 22:52
  Speaker 4: so busy with out the things that I never made it.
• 22:56
  Speaker 4: And people have come to me and say, what are
• 22:58
  Speaker 4: you going to make it? And Orville is now living
• 23:02
  Speaker 4: in New York and I'm bringing him back for the
• 23:08
  Speaker 4: commentary on on the two Blue Rays and that should
• 23:13
  Speaker 4: be a lot of fun.
• 23:16
  Speaker 5: So yeah, because you, I'm sorry, go ahead, you and him,
• 23:21
  Speaker 5: You and him discussing the movies.
• 23:23
  Speaker 4: Uh?
• 23:23
  Speaker 5: Yeah, that that is going to be an absolute blast.
• 23:27
  Speaker 4: Well yeah, well I'm I'm giving Orville, I'm giving Gail
• 23:35
  Speaker 4: uh and I'm giving Debbie Dutch come in and do
• 23:39
  Speaker 4: the commentary with me. So that should be a hoot.
• 23:43
  Speaker 4: I have Gail and Peter do uh so he already
• 23:49
  Speaker 4: has two, and I'll have Gail, Peter and Debbie Dutch
• 23:52
  Speaker 4: too hard to die. So that should be a lot
• 23:57
  Speaker 4: of fun.
• 23:59
  Speaker 5: So so how does that work, Jim? Does do you
• 24:01
  Speaker 5: actually fly out to New York and do you just
• 24:04
  Speaker 5: meet them at a recording studio there?
• 24:06
  Speaker 4: No, I'll have him, I'll have somebody in New York
• 24:09
  Speaker 4: recorded and and I've got it all planning on how
• 24:15
  Speaker 4: to do it. Shout Factory doesn't have a big budget.
• 24:18
  Speaker 4: So I'm gonna get Orville, probably by Skype or something
• 24:22
  Speaker 4: like that, come in. It'll, it'll be, it'll happen, and
• 24:26
  Speaker 4: it'll be good because I don't want him to stay
• 24:28
  Speaker 4: a lot because he's ravil. Orville doesn't have a huge vocabulary,
• 24:38
  Speaker 4: and I want him to be Like, you know, I'm
• 24:42
  Speaker 4: getting the original actor who played Orville come back as
• 24:45
  Speaker 4: Orville because the original actor was Peter Spellers and I
• 24:48
  Speaker 4: never gave him credit. It was always an Orville catch
• 24:50
  Speaker 4: him as himself, and I'm keeping it that way. And
• 24:57
  Speaker 4: so Orville will say a few things, but he won't
• 24:59
  Speaker 4: be you know, talking at linked about anything. Yeah, that'll
• 25:06
  Speaker 4: be me and Yale. Yeah, I might try to get
• 25:11
  Speaker 4: I might try to get my listen more too. Well.
• 25:15
  Speaker 5: Yeah, you know, because like you know, like you and
• 25:16
  Speaker 5: I have right now we're talking on Skype shows. It's
• 25:19
  Speaker 5: just amazing with what you what you can do nowadays.
• 25:22
  Speaker 5: Uh and you even mentioned that too, with you know,
• 25:24
  Speaker 5: how the Internet has sort of changed the film industry,
• 25:27
  Speaker 5: you know, based upon you know, just distribution now because
• 25:30
  Speaker 5: you know, you can always upload anything to YouTube. You
• 25:34
  Speaker 5: could always upload anything to to you know, even if
• 25:36
  Speaker 5: we didn't even you know, uh, if we made a
• 25:38
  Speaker 5: movie in our backyard this weekend, we could upload it
• 25:40
  Speaker 5: to YouTube.
• 25:42
  Speaker 3: You know, stuff like that. And I wanted to ask you,
• 25:45
  Speaker 3: do you watch a lot of you know, maybe like.
• 25:47
  Speaker 5: YouTube or you know, online videos that's sort of you know,
• 25:50
  Speaker 5: amateur or even like you know what I mean, like
• 25:52
  Speaker 5: amateur filmmakers make and Dave, I haven't.
• 25:54
  Speaker 4: Got the time. I haven't got the time to do that.
• 25:57
  Speaker 4: I mean I do watch films mm hmm, but to
• 26:02
  Speaker 4: watch these, you know I called backyard productions, I don't
• 26:06
  Speaker 4: have the time. You know, some people do it well,
• 26:09
  Speaker 4: but that means it gets out there because word of
• 26:11
  Speaker 4: mouth will get it out there. And some people take
• 26:14
  Speaker 4: you know, their their you know, their cell phones out
• 26:17
  Speaker 4: to the woods right behind their house with non actors
• 26:21
  Speaker 4: and make these movies that they try to sell. And
• 26:25
  Speaker 4: to me, they're unwatchable because you know, they're not they're
• 26:29
  Speaker 4: not movies. They're just people trying to copy movies. And uh,
• 26:34
  Speaker 4: I see too many of them, and I finally just
• 26:37
  Speaker 4: gave up. I said, someone's going to have to tell
• 26:39
  Speaker 4: me it's good. So that's what you usually happened. Somebody
• 26:42
  Speaker 4: will say, oh, this is good, this is good, this
• 26:43
  Speaker 4: is good, I'll watch it.
• 26:47
  Speaker 5: Yeah, you know, because one of the questions I had
• 26:48
  Speaker 5: for you was, you know, because you know you've done
• 26:50
  Speaker 5: you know, you've done all the different types of filmmaking.
• 26:52
  Speaker 5: You know, you when you started, you were you know,
• 26:54
  Speaker 5: still shooting on probably thirty five millimeter. We actually had
• 26:58
  Speaker 5: you know, the little actually the film, and you know
• 27:01
  Speaker 5: you've seen productions sort of you know that, and now
• 27:04
  Speaker 5: you're you know, we're in the modern day. So I
• 27:06
  Speaker 5: wanted to ask you, Jim, have you seen like producers
• 27:09
  Speaker 5: just getting crushed now with like different pitches by people
• 27:12
  Speaker 5: like like you gout, like you just said, like you know,
• 27:14
  Speaker 5: people that are trying to copy movies. Maybe you know,
• 27:17
  Speaker 5: they don't have they don't have a financial budget or
• 27:20
  Speaker 5: I'm sorry, they don't have a budget, or they don't
• 27:21
  Speaker 5: have the finances, but they keep pitching producers to the
• 27:24
  Speaker 5: point where now producers are just getting mobbed because now
• 27:27
  Speaker 5: there's not just ten people trying to you know, make
• 27:30
  Speaker 5: get them to make a movie for them. It's like
• 27:32
  Speaker 5: you know what I mean, like get them to find
• 27:34
  Speaker 5: money for them.
• 27:35
  Speaker 4: You know, I'm part of that mob, so I have
• 27:39
  Speaker 4: to you know, it's it's more competition, but most of
• 27:43
  Speaker 4: the competition is amateur, and most producers see that as amateur,
• 27:50
  Speaker 4: and so I still have an edge. Yeah, I'm still
• 27:56
  Speaker 4: making I'm still making a lot of movies that get
• 27:58
  Speaker 4: out there for people to see. You know. I did
• 28:03
  Speaker 4: my dog Bomb series for Sony, and that was a
• 28:07
  Speaker 4: case of looking around and seeing what was going to sell.
• 28:13
  Speaker 4: People don't do that, aren't they And that's why they're
• 28:16
  Speaker 4: not successful. I looked around, I saw and tvds were gone,
• 28:22
  Speaker 4: DVD stores were gone. I said, where do I get
• 28:26
  Speaker 4: a DVD outside of Amazon? And the answer was Walmart
• 28:30
  Speaker 4: or Target or Best Buy. So I walked into Best
• 28:33
  Speaker 4: Buying and Target and Walmart and I looked around and
• 28:38
  Speaker 4: I saw what they were selling, and independent horror movies were,
• 28:45
  Speaker 4: you know, boxed in a one DVD sent of eight
• 28:50
  Speaker 4: selling from five dollars, and I said, don't make that.
• 28:55
  Speaker 4: And I looked around and I said, what else is
• 28:58
  Speaker 4: selling on a single d and it was family movies.
• 29:02
  Speaker 4: They're called babysitters. And so I said, okay, I'll make
• 29:09
  Speaker 4: a family movie. I'll make one about Christmas. I'll make
• 29:12
  Speaker 4: one about a dog, and it was very successful, and
• 29:16
  Speaker 4: we continued to do We did three of them, and
• 29:20
  Speaker 4: we're going to do another one later on this year,
• 29:23
  Speaker 4: but with a different series. But that's why I'm still
• 29:27
  Speaker 4: going strong, because I'm looking around. I'm seeing what's selling
• 29:31
  Speaker 4: in horror. It's kind of selling in the movies. But
• 29:36
  Speaker 4: you have to get you have to get something big.
• 29:39
  Speaker 4: But you know, I'm putting five hot chicks in the
• 29:42
  Speaker 4: want of a house. I'm not selling anymore, and so
• 29:47
  Speaker 4: I not making it. And it's unfortunate, but you know,
• 29:55
  Speaker 4: times change.
• 29:57
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• 30:03
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• 30:06
  Speaker 3: Yeah, as we talked.
• 30:07
  Speaker 5: About how you know the horror you have to have,
• 30:09
  Speaker 5: you know something different.
• 30:11
  Speaker 3: Have you seen, you know, some.
• 30:12
  Speaker 5: Of the horror movies like you know, the Blair Witch Project,
• 30:15
  Speaker 5: Paranormal Activity, you know kind of like movies like that
• 30:18
  Speaker 5: that sort of you know what I made were made.
• 30:20
  Speaker 5: So what did you think of those movies?
• 30:24
  Speaker 4: Well, I made a ship load of money by by
• 30:30
  Speaker 4: heroding the Blair Witch Project. I made five different editions
• 30:35
  Speaker 4: of the Bear Wench Project, and each of them made
• 30:38
  Speaker 4: a ton of money. And and so yeah, I've seen
• 30:44
  Speaker 4: those movies and I made I mean, I made a
• 30:48
  Speaker 4: movie called Para Knockerous Activity and because of the the situation,
• 30:58
  Speaker 4: Cinema bought it and now ever ran it because they
• 31:03
  Speaker 4: were afraid of being sued, so they bought it and
• 31:07
  Speaker 4: buried it. I wish they would take it out someday,
• 31:10
  Speaker 4: but right now it's sitting their vault and probably never
• 31:14
  Speaker 4: coming there. But it was one of those late night
• 31:16
  Speaker 4: erotics that I was. I was where I was parroting
• 31:19
  Speaker 4: movies and I think it's took by two days to
• 31:23
  Speaker 4: shoot it. But it was fun and they bought it
• 31:26
  Speaker 4: and then they got worried about it and then paried it.
• 31:29
  Speaker 4: But most of my other stuff from that period has
• 31:33
  Speaker 4: shown up on show Time where Cinemas.
• 31:37
  Speaker 5: So so jib just out of you know, out of
• 31:39
  Speaker 5: curiosity because we're talking about, you know, about sales and
• 31:41
  Speaker 5: distribution all that.
• 31:43
  Speaker 3: If you were.
• 31:44
  Speaker 4: To boring, Dave come on, asked me some good questions.
• 31:47
  Speaker 5: So I think this is fascinating because you know, you're
• 31:50
  Speaker 5: walking the walk gym.
• 31:51
  Speaker 3: I don't know, I know, I know, like you know,
• 31:54
  Speaker 3: numbers and stuff, aren't.
• 31:55
  Speaker 4: I'm feeling bored myself, so I must be boring for
• 31:58
  Speaker 4: anybody out there listening. But go ahead your show.
• 32:02
  Speaker 3: No, I swear, I swear that this is this is
• 32:04
  Speaker 3: an interesting question.
• 32:05
  Speaker 7: I'd have turned this off agency now, but it wasn't me. Okay,
• 32:09
  Speaker 7: most people turned me off, Jim. Most people just turned
• 32:11
  Speaker 7: me off immediately. So but what I was gonna ask
• 32:14
  Speaker 7: was this is this is an interesting question.
• 32:16
  Speaker 5: I swear what I was gonna ask is you know
• 32:18
  Speaker 5: what advice, Jim, would you give to you know, a
• 32:20
  Speaker 5: filmmaker out there who is gonna do something in horror?
• 32:23
  Speaker 3: Because I know I will. Obviously you know a huge
• 32:25
  Speaker 3: amount of people.
• 32:26
  Speaker 4: I'm not giving anybody of that advice. Them's a million
• 32:33
  Speaker 4: dollar advice. So you' getting that from me. I'm keeping
• 32:37
  Speaker 4: all my good ideas close to the vest. Yeah, me,
• 32:41
  Speaker 4: put put five girls in a haunted half. You haven't
• 32:46
  Speaker 4: running around. You'll make it. You'll make a bundle. No, Dave,
• 32:55
  Speaker 4: I can't tell you. But but gonna what I what
• 32:58
  Speaker 4: I keep really close? You know, I'm just like, I'll
• 33:04
  Speaker 4: give you one, all right, I'll give you one. But
• 33:08
  Speaker 4: I threw it out already. Okay. I ran across on
• 33:13
  Speaker 4: the internet. I ran across this place in Mexico called
• 33:16
  Speaker 4: the Island of Dolls, which is a real place where
• 33:22
  Speaker 4: people have brought their unused dolls and they hang them
• 33:26
  Speaker 4: in the trees and go google it and you'll see
• 33:33
  Speaker 4: this place and you'll say, oh fuck. I wouldn't spend
• 33:36
  Speaker 4: any more than five minutes there, and I have to
• 33:38
  Speaker 4: be broad daylight, okay. And I said, I want to
• 33:42
  Speaker 4: do a movie about the Island of Dolls. Well, I
• 33:45
  Speaker 4: started to do a little prep work, and then I
• 33:48
  Speaker 4: did some research and I found that somebody in Mexico
• 33:53
  Speaker 4: was making a movie called Island of the Dolls in Spanish.
• 33:59
  Speaker 4: And I said, I immediately stopped work because I figured
• 34:02
  Speaker 4: this is going to come out maybe, and it's going
• 34:07
  Speaker 4: to be unwarranted competition. So I stopped. But anybody out
• 34:12
  Speaker 4: there who's got you know, money, and and and and
• 34:17
  Speaker 4: lots of courage should go make Island the Dolls. And
• 34:21
  Speaker 4: maybe the Spanish version won't come out, but I'm not.
• 34:26
  Speaker 4: I'm not going to go and do it until I
• 34:29
  Speaker 4: find out what the Spanish version does. And uh, but
• 34:35
  Speaker 4: that's again, I was looking like you're always got to
• 34:37
  Speaker 4: be looking for something unusual that's going to strike a
• 34:43
  Speaker 4: chord with your audience and the Island of dolls is
• 34:49
  Speaker 4: certainly unusual and certainly creepy. And I figured, okay, there's
• 34:54
  Speaker 4: something I can do, but something bastard beat me to it. So,
• 35:01
  Speaker 4: you know, I have some more ideas coming by. I
• 35:03
  Speaker 4: can't say what they are. There's people stealing them. I'm
• 35:07
  Speaker 4: sure there's a listener out there on your podcast people
• 35:12
  Speaker 4: and say, ah, now I got it. I'll do that. Okay,
• 35:17
  Speaker 4: I'm not giving me the good ones yet.
• 35:20
  Speaker 5: Well, you know there are people who have, like who
• 35:23
  Speaker 5: have networked through this podcast just randomly, like I would
• 35:27
  Speaker 5: get I would get messages like, hey, Dave, I met
• 35:29
  Speaker 5: this person because your podcasts, And I'm like, how.
• 35:32
  Speaker 4: But you know, uh, they well, I'm sure they're out
• 35:35
  Speaker 4: there listening. But you know, I I thought you were
• 35:39
  Speaker 4: going to ask more, you know, immediate questions, like you know,
• 35:46
  Speaker 4: who was who was hard to work with, who was
• 35:48
  Speaker 4: easy to work with, where'd you get the idea for
• 35:51
  Speaker 4: this or whatever? But I think I guess the discussion
• 35:55
  Speaker 4: about business plans is you know, in my in my
• 36:00
  Speaker 4: be interesting to some people out there.
• 36:02
  Speaker 5: Well, I always try to go from a different vantage point.
• 36:05
  Speaker 5: I mean, we didn't talk all about business plans. I
• 36:06
  Speaker 5: mean we talked about your movies.
• 36:08
  Speaker 3: And stuff like that.
• 36:09
  Speaker 4: I so I got it.
• 36:10
  Speaker 5: If you want, I can ask you some of those questions,
• 36:12
  Speaker 5: like so so so so Jim who was very difficult.
• 36:15
  Speaker 4: To work with, Tanya Roberts hater gut, Jennifer Ruben hater gut,
• 36:25
  Speaker 4: Robert Culp, who I loved as a kid, hated his
• 36:29
  Speaker 4: guts and uh his more. But those three are the
• 36:36
  Speaker 4: top top three.
• 36:38
  Speaker 3: So so why are they? Why are they the top three?
• 36:41
  Speaker 4: Because they were well? Robert Couple was a prick in
• 36:44
  Speaker 4: a half click and the half getting nothing but problems
• 36:48
  Speaker 4: on the set. He didn't like the lens I was using,
• 36:53
  Speaker 4: he didn't like this, he didn't like that, he didn't
• 36:55
  Speaker 4: like the meal, he didn't like anything, and he kept
• 37:00
  Speaker 4: people waiting. And I the whole fucking crew boot him
• 37:08
  Speaker 4: when he was on his last day and he deserved it.
• 37:13
  Speaker 4: Tony Roberts, I just my lawyer insists that I always
• 37:18
  Speaker 4: just say I hated her guts. That's that's legal to say.
• 37:24
  Speaker 4: And she's still alive and could come back and stab me.
• 37:28
  Speaker 4: But yeah, Samement, Jennifer Rubert hate her guts. I mean,
• 37:34
  Speaker 4: I've never worked with him, again. I mean, I'm pretty
• 37:40
  Speaker 4: easy and going guy, but these chicks, oh my god,
• 37:45
  Speaker 4: never again.
• 37:48
  Speaker 5: So So I mean in a situation like that, Jim,
• 37:50
  Speaker 5: where where someone is just being a complete pain in
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  Speaker 5: the ass or a huge fucking prick, you know what,
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  Speaker 5: what do you do in those situations?
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  Speaker 4: You gotta knoughhing under, kneel down and kiss their asses
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  Speaker 4: for two weeks because once you have a month, once
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  Speaker 4: you have a month film, they could walk and ruin
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  Speaker 4: the whole picture.
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  Speaker 5: And you kind of, you know, you hear about situations
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  Speaker 5: like that too, like what happened with Kevin Smith and
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  Speaker 5: Bruce Willis, uh you know where they they didn't get
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  Speaker 5: along at all, and because Bruce kept you know, you
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  Speaker 5: know what I mean. So it's situations like that you
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  Speaker 5: kind of always wonder. I mean, I've been in that
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  Speaker 5: situation myself, Jim. I mean people who listen, who've listened
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  Speaker 5: to this.
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  Speaker 3: Podcast know my stories too.
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  Speaker 5: Hell I did a whole puck Kist episode about it
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  Speaker 5: with with a friend of mine.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, these I had actors steal from the makeup assistant.
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  Speaker 4: I had actors uh you know called tantrums, and you
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  Speaker 4: know you got a I don't know how with and
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  Speaker 4: and and I can see why some of these people
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  Speaker 4: hardly ever worked because stories about them gets around. I
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  Speaker 4: didn't say, you know, I didn't say Tanya did that
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  Speaker 4: or Jennifer Rupin did that. But I have an actress
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  Speaker 4: that I can't mention who stole from the makeup girl.
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  Speaker 4: We found the makeup girl's wallets in her trailer, stuff
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  Speaker 4: down behind a mirror after she wrapped. And I said,
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  Speaker 4: the only one that got there is if she took it.
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  Speaker 4: So that's what happened. And and you know, I went
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  Speaker 4: to I didn't I couldn't get the wallet back to
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  Speaker 4: her time, but I did give her. I went to
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  Speaker 4: Petty Cash and I said how much was in the wallet?
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  Speaker 4: She said one hundred and twenty five dollars. I gave
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  Speaker 4: her one hundred and twenty five dollars. I said, both
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  Speaker 4: find your wallet, and sure enough we did and got
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  Speaker 4: back to it.
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  Speaker 5: You know that that was pretty good at you jam
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  Speaker 5: by the way.
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  Speaker 4: You know this girl's working for peanuts.
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  Speaker 4: And for someone to steal her wallet and then stuff
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  Speaker 4: it down behind a trailer and a mirror in their trailer.
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  Speaker 4: I didn't know that at the time. I just said,
• 40:21
  Speaker 4: well maybe you know the udio said that. But you know,
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  Speaker 4: we had the petty cash there, so I gave her
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  Speaker 4: a quarter and I said, you know, we'll find your
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  Speaker 4: wallet and we did. We got back to her and
• 40:34
  Speaker 4: I did not tell her where where it was foun out.
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  Speaker 4: I lied because I didn't want the story to get around.
• 40:42
  Speaker 4: That's an actress, you all know. And uh, I wish
• 40:47
  Speaker 4: I could tell you, but I won't.
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  Speaker 5: Well, i'll tell you what, Jim. When we get off
• 40:51
  Speaker 5: the podcast, you can tell.
• 40:52
  Speaker 4: Me and I'll keep it a secret. Okay, Well, we'll
• 40:56
  Speaker 4: like it gets smart.
• 40:57
  Speaker 3: The cone of silence, remember the cone of silence.
• 40:59
  Speaker 4: We'll lower We'll lower the ConA silence. Man, I'll tell you.
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  Speaker 4: I'll tell you all kinds of great stuff. And uh,
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  Speaker 4: I mean there's there's good stuff too. There's there's actresses
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  Speaker 4: who got drunk on the set. There's actresses who did
• 41:20
  Speaker 4: almost everything you could imagine an actress doing. An actress
• 41:24
  Speaker 4: too crazy people.
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  Speaker 5: So you know, we talked about and I know we're
• 41:31
  Speaker 5: running out of times, Jim. I know you have to
• 41:33
  Speaker 5: run soon. Yeah, I know we talked. We've already talked
• 41:35
  Speaker 5: about people that you know you didn't like working with,
• 41:37
  Speaker 5: So who are some of the people people that you
• 41:39
  Speaker 5: did like working with?
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  Speaker 4: Most of them ninety five percent of them. Everybody, everybody
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  Speaker 4: that you can imagine that worked for me.
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  Speaker 2: Uh.
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  Speaker 4: They were super nice people. Erica Leniac, Angie Dickinson, Heather Locklear,
• 42:01
  Speaker 4: Nicole Eggert. Even though she's given Scott Bayo I run
• 42:04
  Speaker 4: for his money, Nicole Eggert was was was an angel.
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  Speaker 4: I'm trying to We worked with so met Tracy Lords,
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  Speaker 4: they were all. They were all nice, easy going people
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  Speaker 4: who wanted to have a good time. And it was
• 42:23
  Speaker 4: always crappy when an actor would step in and just say, well,
• 42:28
  Speaker 4: I'm gonna I want to make everyone's life miserable. And
• 42:33
  Speaker 4: it's happened a few times. You know, after one hundred
• 42:36
  Speaker 4: and sixty movies or seventy movies or whatever it is,
• 42:39
  Speaker 4: you know you're bound to meet someone you don't like.
• 42:44
  Speaker 4: And I've been a few, but most of them I
• 42:48
  Speaker 4: can't speak enough to speak. Angie Dickinson brought in a
• 42:54
  Speaker 4: present for a pa on it because he knew it
• 42:57
  Speaker 4: was his birthday. Had A Locklear, had Tommy Lee come
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  Speaker 4: down to the set and Tommy Lee, Brooke, Charlie Sheen
• 43:09
  Speaker 4: before he went he went into the stratosphere and for
• 43:13
  Speaker 4: all the winning stuff. So I met all these people
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  Speaker 4: and it was a lot of fun, you know, and
• 43:21
  Speaker 4: you know, the girls I was going out with, I
• 43:23
  Speaker 4: always tried to put them in my movies. You could
• 43:25
  Speaker 4: kind of see what I'm dating if you just throw
• 43:28
  Speaker 4: looking at the castolists in on.
• 43:33
  Speaker 5: Well, you got to keep the girlfriend happy, come on.
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  Speaker 4: Jim, So true, so true. But you know, sometimes I
• 43:41
  Speaker 4: had a tempered because they weren't good actors. You know,
• 43:44
  Speaker 4: you got to give them a part that it's kind
• 43:47
  Speaker 4: of okay, but if they're not good actors, you're going
• 43:50
  Speaker 4: to look like an ass. So I had to kind
• 43:52
  Speaker 4: of hit people to certain parts. But I did.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, and that's a that's a good and that's directing too,
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  Speaker 5: you know. You you you know people's limitations, you know
• 44:04
  Speaker 5: the strengths and weaknesses, and you play to that.
• 44:06
  Speaker 4: You hide their.
• 44:07
  Speaker 5: Weaknesses and promote their strengths. And you know that that's
• 44:09
  Speaker 5: a that's a part of directing.
• 44:12
  Speaker 4: Well yeah, uh anyway, Yeah, good story, you know some
• 44:20
  Speaker 4: good stories. Yes, very cool.
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  Speaker 5: And Jim, I'm gonna put a link by the way
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  Speaker 5: to your the upcoming Blue Ear release of Hard to
• 44:29
  Speaker 5: Die and Story House.
• 44:31
  Speaker 4: Do not do not do not put a link because
• 44:36
  Speaker 4: Shout Factory called me up and said, what the fuck
• 44:40
  Speaker 4: are you doing? And I had to take that thing
• 44:44
  Speaker 4: down yesterday. So because you want to make their releases
• 44:50
  Speaker 4: and ship, so I said, okay, so I took it down,
• 44:54
  Speaker 4: but let's coming, I see.
• 44:57
  Speaker 5: Is that how they actually did they really call you
• 44:59
  Speaker 5: and just say, hey, hey, Jim, what the fuck are
• 45:00
  Speaker 5: you doing?
• 45:02
  Speaker 4: I can send you the I can send you the email. Okay,
• 45:07
  Speaker 4: what the fuck are you doing?
• 45:08
  Speaker 5: Okay, please do, Jim, please do.
• 45:13
  Speaker 4: I would love to read it.
• 45:15
  Speaker 3: So everyone, I will not link to that insance.
• 45:18
  Speaker 4: You will not. There's nothing to link to. It's all gone.
• 45:22
  Speaker 4: But it's coming. Trust me, it's coming. I just I
• 45:25
  Speaker 4: just I could not say it okay or say it
• 45:30
  Speaker 4: on Facebook. It got so pissed off. So anyway, onward.
• 45:43
  Speaker 3: Jim, thank you so much for coming on the show.
• 45:44
  Speaker 5: It's been an absolute blast, and again I wish you
• 45:47
  Speaker 5: the best of luck with everything, Jave.
• 45:50
  Speaker 4: I appreciate it, and I hope the listener's got something
• 45:53
  Speaker 4: I've enjoyment out of this one. Next time. Let's just
• 45:56
  Speaker 4: talk about chicks and and stuff and we'll have a
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  Speaker 4: bigger audio.
• 46:02
  Speaker 3: You see, I can't come home with the questions. That's
• 46:04
  Speaker 3: the problem. That's always the problem, man.
• 46:07
  Speaker 8: So all right, well look, I'll just say thank you
• 46:13
  Speaker 8: for talking, and I'll catch everybody up the movies.
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• 46:21
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