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Security, Protest, and the Battle Over Public Trust · Bourbon & Rum

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Because I'm willing to go to jail to impede ICE.
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I don't want to go to prison. If you run for office, I will I
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will convert. I like hearing the perspective
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of the other side of a guy that is not a raging asshole.
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Welcome to Bourbon and Rum, the podcast dedicated to civil
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conversation. I'm Kent, I like rum and I'm
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from the left side of the aisle. And I'm Kyle.
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I like bourbon. I tend to be a little more
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conservative Brothers talking politics for bourbon and rug.
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What are you drinking? I am drinking a bottle.
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Well, I'm, I'm, I'm not drinking the whole bottle, but I'm
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drinking out of a bottle of Old Forest or single barrel barrel
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strength. I picked up.
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You're seeing this a lot at a lot of a lot of liquor stores do
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this as a barrel pack. And so they'll like this is a a
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liquor store. We're at a volleyball tournament
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with my daughter this weekend and there's a liquor store
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nearby and they had this, but you're starting to see it
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cheaper. But it's 131 proof, but super
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smooth. And old Forester, you know, they
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got a whole line of stuff. But I did find an interesting
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fun fact. Old Forester is the only
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distillery to have operated under the same brand before,
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during and after prohibition. So.
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Oh wow, interesting. Really smooth.
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Stuff, it's good stuff. What do you now?
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Now Full disclosure, Kent just got back from a a yacht trip to
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the Caribbean. So I'm expecting him to have
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cases of of Caribbean room. No, I bought 2/5 back but I
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didn't find the one that the whole time.
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We found a really good sipper called Sparrow Sparrows.
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It's made in Saint Vincent and it was a really good like a all
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day sipper. But in the spirit of the
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podcast, I brought 2 bottles back.
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I'm not going to spoil the surprise on the one, but this
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one is called Rivers and I sent you a link.
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The reviews are just out of like insane.
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It's a white rum, it's UN aged, it's unfiltered, it's made in
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hand pot stills and this is made in the oldest distillery for rum
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in the world that still uses the old traditional methods.
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So Mount Gay in Barbados was opened a couple years before
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this one, but they've gone more commercial.
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This stuff is right out of the tap.
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It's this is the export version, which is bottled at 138 proof.
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The in house stuff is like 151. And the cab driver was like,
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yeah, if if somebody opens a bottle of this in the house,
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everybody knows. Yeah, I wish you could smell.
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It smells like. I don't know if it smells good
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or if it smells like a chemistry set.
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It is incredible. So anyway, here's a here's a dab
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of that. Cheers to you.
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You're here. Well, good.
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Hey, I was gone for a week. So we've got we're a little
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behind on our podcast, but what did anything happen in the world
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while I was gone? Yeah, I don't think so, Ken.
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It's been really quiet now. Your boat wasn't, you were
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cruising up near Greenland, were you?
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Hopefully you weren't cruising up in that area.
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But there's big news there. There's big news a lot going on
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in Minnesota that's a little closer to home for you at the
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figure. That might be an area that we
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could dig into because there's been a lot of, a lot of news
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over that over the last couple weeks.
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So I'm sure you, I, I, I'm sure you don't have any strong
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opinions about that subject. So you know well all these news
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stories, you'll, you'll be very you.
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You won't have any strong opinions.
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We might be safer with Greenland 'cause that's just merely
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stupid. The other I think I could
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probably get into pretty bad territory pretty quickly.
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Well, let's start with Greenland.
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Let me ask you this. If there is a national security
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and geopolitical angle for the US to have some control over
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Greenland, I don't know, but maybe if there is.
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If if that was your objective, do you think being a complete
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ass to the people of Greenland and giving the finger repeatedly
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to Denmark is the likeliest path to get you there, rather than
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some sort of diplomacy and money sort of strategy?
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Yeah, well, remains to be seen. I think that's his.
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Whether you like it or whether we debate whether it's effective
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or wise is another story. But I think it's typical Trump
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of he starts talking about something he wants and then
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slowly the the heat turns up until you get to a negotiation.
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I don't know that it's going to work.
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To your point, I think there's I don't think he's the only person
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to have thought of strategic value of that territory.
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But to your point, there's probably other pathways to
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secure it, but I think it's a bigger, the security play of it
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is of interest the, the Chinese and the the Russian interest in
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that area as well. So I don't know.
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I, yeah, I don't, I, I'm with you.
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It seems pretty unconventional, but that's also his approach.
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So I don't know if the tariff thing is going to move the
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needle. But I did laugh.
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They were all these European countries were headed up there.
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We're going to send troops. Great Britain sent one army
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officer, so apparently they don't see too much of A threat
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there. Well.
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Again, to try to avoid this just becoming a bitch fest.
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Like even if I thought it was a good idea, I honestly am neutral
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about whether it's a good idea. I there's rare earth minerals.
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It's closer to our part of the world.
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Like, sure, but well, maybe using this a little bit to pivot
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because we're going to talk about immigration and we're
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going to talk about ICE and what's happening in Minnesota.
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And I guess, you know, I come back to it.
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Your whole thing was that you wanted the border secure.
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I wish Biden had secured that. I'm in favor of a secure border.
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I'm I'm not anti border law, but why didn't Trump just close the
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border? Why?
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Why? The, I mean, you know, again, I
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think we've established he's not deporting at nearly the rate
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previous Democrat presidents have.
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So, I mean, there's 20 million people that came across during
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Biden administration and he's looking to deport those, I mean.
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That was a key. I don't think 20 million came
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across in the four years of the Biden administration.
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I think we're talking about 20 million something total, but I
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don't know about that. But OK, so you got to close the
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border and you got to deport people.
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Why? Why you got to dehumanize people
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along the way? Like are are your is your reason
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not enough to just be the reason?
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Do we have to to fan hatred like that?
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I don't understand if your if your message is important.
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If Greenland is important enough to go get for our country, then
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it's good enough to do it without threatening to roll in
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True like like why you got to do all that?
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It tells me it it it makes me think that the real reason for
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getting Greenland isn't that good and I've got to do some
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kind of bullshit fan the flames thing to do it.
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It makes me think that it's not important enough for you or for
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anybody else to just close the border and deport people when we
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got to wrap it in a veneer of hatred and racism.
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Like then maybe it's not that important to begin with.
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Or maybe it's just ICE doing their job just like they did on
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the Biden administration. But you got a governor and you
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got a mayor that's out there saying that ICE are terrorists,
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they're Nazis, they're horrible people.
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They need to get out of our state.
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We need to attack them. You know, that's my beef with
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this Minnesota thing is, you know, we had that conversation
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about, well, Trump is inflamed. His rhetoric inflamed a crowd to
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go attack the Capitol on January 6th.
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The rhetoric out of the left is what's causing the the riots and
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the violence and the encounters with ICE.
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They just let ICE do their job and shut up about it.
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It wouldn't be on the front page of the news.
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Why? Why is ICE in Minnesota, pound
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for pound, if you're worried about illegal immigrants?
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Ice is in Texas. Ice is ice is not in Texas.
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They are not in Texas at the scale, not at the scale they are
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in Minnesota. They completely chose Minnesota
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to try to embarrass Tim Walz, to try to fan these flames.
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All of this. What Trump wants is he wants to
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to piss normal people off enough that they protest and then use
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protests as an excuse to bring in more force.
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It's completely manufactured. Totally disagree.
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I mean, you don't. You don't think Waltz and that
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mayor's rhetoric has impacted the turn of events in that?
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State. Probably that.
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Poor lady that got shot for instance, Why the hell is she
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out there in the first place? She was going to pick up her kid
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from daycare. So she's harassing police and
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out there for hours harassing police because.
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She wasn't harassed and she was driving away.
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She was out. There messing with them for like
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a couple hours before that whole incident occurred.
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And who's if you think? That urging these people to go
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mess with law enforcement in the first place.
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If you think that the ICE actions in Minnesota are normal
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course of business driven by the need to round up people in
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Minnesota, then you're out of your mind.
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This was a strategy designed from the start by the Trump
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administration, and they said so like they've been like, there's
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not a secret about this. They're picking Democrat places
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to try to stir trouble up. Or OK, but another way to
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looking at it is all these Democrat cities that all
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flaunted all of the immigration laws in place for the last
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umpteen years where a sanctuary city, where a sanctuary city
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come this way, come this way. And I think that led to a lot of
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the crossings to begin with. I I just think that if you're
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really worried, if you're really worried about the numbers about
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illegal immigrants, what's the poundage, Texas versus
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Minnesota? Well, I mean.
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Texas, Does it have sanctuary cities?
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But you've probably still got more Hispanic immigrants in
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Texas than you do in Minnesota. Am I wrong?
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Yeah, I don't know. I don't know what the.
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So if they're the problem and that's who we're looking for,
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why aren't we looking at Houston?
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Yeah, I mean, what? They're operating here, that's
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what I'm saying. I mean, they're operating
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nationwide. I don't think that it's
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nationwide. It's not pro rata to what the
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problem is. I mean, do you legitimately
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think that the Trump administration is making a
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rational decision about where to deploy ICE?
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Everything the guy does, the guy doesn't take a crap without
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trying to piss somebody off politically.
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We're talking about this is our talk.
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About This is orchestrated by Trump.
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You don't think they have an organization and a leadership
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team that figures out how to go operate?
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You think everything that they do is Trump?
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Ordered the leadership team, the Christie Gnome.
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She she, she calls it before she goes to.
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The bathroom awarded a medal by Obama.
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That was now did he pay for that medal?
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Was that with the 50 grand or was that before or after?
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Am I getting that messed up? The bribe that Tom Homan took in
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a paper bag full of money. That time moment $50,000 in a
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paper bag. Tell me the good reasons. 2015,
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President Obama awarded him the Presidential Rank Award for
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Distinguished Service. Anyways, I don't think we're
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going to find consensus here. It's possible.
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No, we're not going to find consensus.
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It has been ICE has been weaponized by the everything in
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this administration has been weaponized.
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And I will be the first to admit that I thought there was
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Democratic overreach with the prosecution of Trump.
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I think he ought to be in jail, but I don't think that we should
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have. I don't think the Democrats
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should have prosecuted at least for the property thing.
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The national secrets in the crap are at Mar a Lago.
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Maybe, but but like there, there's culpability on the
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Democrats. But now it's like open season
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and I think you think I'm nuts and I'm paranoid.
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And I'm telling you that there's going to be a day, I hope our
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podcast last this long. There's going to be a day when
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there's a Democrat administration.
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It's probably going to be a Democrat administration that is
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more liberal than I am. It's probably going to be a
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Democrat administration that is a hell of a lot less friendly
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and tolerant to things that are really important to you.
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And there's going to come a day when the weaponization of the
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government is going to be directed at things that matter
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to you. And I'm going to say to you on
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that day that remember. Already saw it in the last
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administration. It was all over the place.
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I mean, it's not like what? It's not like it didn't happen
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of. Course like what?
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What did? What did they?
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Do with the all of the Trump trials or you know, the
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involvement in Twitter and the persecution of people you know,
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prior to Elon Musk buying Twitter and you know, the
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government censoring what the hell people can say about the
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COVID vaccine and the COVID virus.
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I mean, yeah. I mean, you don't get that.
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Cat's been out of the bag a long time, so I I don't, I don't
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imagine a place that it's not going to happen.
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Unfortunately. Well, buckle up because it's not
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going to be good. It's not good for the country
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and this is not good. This this targeting of
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Democratic cities, Minnesota, of all of the places, of all the
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places. Operating in Texas, they're
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operating in California, they're operating in Louisiana, they're
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operating North Carolina. New Jersey number of agents per
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population of illegal How? Many public officials are out
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there telling their people to go protest them and fight them
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because they're terrorists and Nazis.
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The. Reason that they're yeah, I
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missed our church had a session today after church like a faith
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formation thing on they had an expert in about what you can do
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to impede ICE legally and what you can't do, you know, just to
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educate people. So because I'm willing to go to
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jail to impede ICE, I don't want to go to prison.
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Well, don't drive your ball. At him.
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OK, let's not get shot. Yeah, and I.
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You know, that situation, it's like I, you know, I don't know.
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Again, I'm not taking a stand of who did right, wrong or what.
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I don't, I don't it seems bad in any way you look at it.
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I guess I'm just thinking to myself, and I would, I'd tell my
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kids like protest, but like I start screwing with a policeman
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and I drive a car toward him. I'm expected.
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I'm expecting a negative outcome.
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I mean, you still got to be careful with somebody with a
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load of weapon. Whether?
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You think they're authorized to do something or not?
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There's a a measure of like be smart, protest all you want,
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can't, but I don't want you to get shot.
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Well, there's a kernel of truth to what you say and look, I I
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freely admit that, but like, I don't even know why the hell are
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there in the 1st place. I think this makes no sense and.
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Well, I guess I am interested in, you know, the again back I
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go back to Obama deported a lot more people than Trump.
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It was ICE doing the deportations.
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ICE wasn't demonized under, under, you know, under Obama.
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But they utilize the same tactics.
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It's the same organization. It's the same structure.
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But Trump's involved. So everybody's like, oh, these
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sons of bitches are out. They're terrorists and they're
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Nazis. Like Kyle, you don't think that
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that like this goes back to my original point.
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If the problem is the border and the deportations, then do that.
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But we get they're eating the dogs.
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We get the rapists and murderers, We get people that
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don't look like us are evil inherently.
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We get ICE now checking people. I don't know if this was the way
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they did it before, but now The thing is that ICE thinks you
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look like you might be Mexican, so we're going to stop you.
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Like like that's seems like a problem to me.
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That seems like not the country that I want to live in.
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I'm fine with deporting people. This is the thing they chose,
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Kyle. This is an exact case of what
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we've talked about before. Trump chose an adversarial
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approach to this. He chose an in your face, knock
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down the doors, separate the mothers from the children.
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He's deliberately chosen that because there's a certain part
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of his population that eats it up like like cat food.
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I mean, well, the separate again, it's the separating from
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the mothers and children's children in cages again,
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happened during the Obama administration.
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The picture for the media was from the Obama administration.
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Yes, he has made illegal immigration a key tenant of his
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presidency, But I feel like there's just a whole lot of
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things that get cobbled together by the left to fight this thing
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like. You know, they're out to get
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everybody. They're racist and blah, blah,
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blah, blah, blah. He's trying to make the place
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safer by getting, you know, closing the border and getting
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the criminals out, getting people that are crossing the
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border illegally out. And again, it's like even the
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language he's used isn't any different than has been used by
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Obama. It's been used by Clinton.
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But now this is not the this is not the case du jour of the
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Democrat Party. Now it's like, no, we're for the
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illegal crossings, we're for open borders.
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And so he's fighting that. And so now he's.
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I just think that's not true. I'm not, and I don't speak for
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all Democrats. I'm not for open borders and I'm
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not for not deporting people that shouldn't be here, but I
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don't think. You're the part and parcel of
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the Democrat Party. The people that under, I mean,
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Biden isn't wasn't a radical leftist.
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Brett Biden was a centrist Democrat and they were for
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keeping borders open and people crossing.
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And now the music is stopped and people are deporting people and
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all of a sudden it's the Gestapo and the Nazis that are deporting
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everybody. And I'm not like, you know, I, I
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would not sit here and defend every law enforcement action
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like they're, you know, they're, they're perfect.
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I'm sure there's, I'm sure there's bullshit that occurs.
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And I don't necessarily deny that.
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I'm just saying, I think the overall push to lock down the
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border and deport people was politically popular at one time
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on the left. It's not anymore.
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And so now you're going to get hyperbole, you're going to get
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there to Gestapo. They're the Nazis.
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They're, you know, and all the stuff these people are saying
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and trying to turn it into a, a riot.
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Well, I'm just saying if the if the if it was worth doing
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because it was worth doing. You don't need the veneer of
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racism and hatred on top of it. And if that's just a character
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flaw of Trump and it's just an accident or just so happens that
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it falls along the lines of that and really in his good, clean
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Christian heart that they pray over him.
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He characterized it as a security issue of having people
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come into this country illegally without any vetting and without
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any checks, as a criminal issue. That's not a Trump off the cuff
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thing that is that's people's concern about illegal
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immigration is that people are coming into this border across
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the border to in our committing crimes.
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That is the whole like crux of anybody that is pushing for
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that. So I'm not going to convince you
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and it's fine you're. Not, and I don't think that's
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the real reason. I don't think that's why people
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are opposed to it. I think that's a convenient
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reason that maybe makes people feel good.
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I think that most of Trump's voters, the real reason is that
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they they realize they feel it as a job threat.
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They're they're uneducated people without a lot of
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opportunity. And they don't feel it as a job
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threat. I'm not worried about somebody
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coming across the border taking my job, but I am worried about
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being in a place that sky rockets and crime.
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And I think I I'm less worried about petty crime.
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I'm more worried about. I'm not worried about, quite
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frankly, I'm not worried about somebody coming from Mexico.
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I'm worried about somebody from Syria coming through the Mexican
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border, which is well documented that you got people coming from
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a lot of places or from China or from some of these places that
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want to do us harm. So and I, you know, we're not
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disagreeing about. No, but but like, why do you?
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Why is it so hard for you to say that that the vilification of
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immigrants generally is not a good thing?
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Like. But I.
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Like I think your explanation makes total sense to me.
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Like I, I, I'm not, I don't even disagree with you on that, but
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like, why do you go to such lengths to exclude or to excuse
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when he's like, they're rapists and they're murderers, They're
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killing the dog. Like that shit.
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Why? Why can't you disavow that shit?
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That's what I don't understand. There are rapists and murders
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that have come across the border.
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And if you're talking about a security issue and there's
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rapists and murders coming across the border without any
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controls, that's the whole crux of the security issue to begin
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with. Of course they're not all racist
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rapists and murders. There's, but there were 17,017
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thousand convicted murderers among illegal aliens coming
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across the border. So yeah, there's millions, but.
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If I use your stats, that's a really low percentage.
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Sure. But no, Grant, I just do.
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Do you really think that he? You really think that he's?
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I again. Does the President of the United
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States not have any responsibility?
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Negatively. I've heard him on podcast talk
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about most of the people coming across the border just want a
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job. They're here peacefully.
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We get that. He's acknowledged that, you
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know, again, I'm not. So why do we target?
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Why don't we target the? Why don't we target the
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criminals? We have we they've deported a
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ton of. Criminals.
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Well, it's frustrating we're we're never going to agree on
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this. There is no agreement on this
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and it's not because I want the border open and it's not because
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I don't want anybody deported that shouldn't be here.
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It's. Because of him.
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If, if Biden was doing the same thing, the exact same actions,
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the exact same Trump activity, you'd be fine with it.
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It's the words. That's what pisses you off.
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It's the words and it's the guy. So it's two things.
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It's the words and the yeah, it's him because I can't stand
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him. But but if Barack Obama
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characterized immigrants as rapists and murderers, I'd be
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opposed, they have said. The same thing that there are
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bad people coming across the border.
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They haven't said all the people coming across the border.
26:38
But you know, you go back to the 90s Hillary Clinton's talking
26:42
about criminals coming across the border.
26:45
It's not something new. I think the issue is that who
26:50
your vision of who Trump is is a racist bastard.
26:54
And he's trying to, you know, he's doing all this, you know,
27:00
for whatever aims you. See, Full disclosure, I don't
27:04
think Trump's a racist. I don't think he cares enough
27:06
about any human being to like there's no hierarchy.
27:11
It's like he doesn't care about people, period.
27:14
But he is completely comfortable with making racists comfortable
27:21
with his language, and he doesn't do anything to distance
27:26
himself from that. He I, I just think it's really
27:32
interesting that you, like, you want to parse his words and
27:35
like, no, he never said that they were all that.
27:38
You cannot in good conscience tell me that he's not perfectly
27:44
happy to be perceived as talking about like.
27:48
Like, why did he? He didn't say, oh, let me
27:51
correct the record. I didn't mean that all of them
27:54
are bad. He's.
27:54
Trying he's trying to demonstrate the severity of the
27:58
problem. So I don't see the guys a racist
28:03
based on his friends, based on the people he's close to, I I
28:07
don't think. I just said I don't think that
28:09
he's a racist. I think that he's totally
28:12
comfortable. He's he, I think he's
28:14
babysitting racist in his butt, in his base and I think he's I
28:18
think he throws that out there to keep those people on to on in
28:22
support of him. Again, I don't think, I don't
28:26
think immigration's a race issue because again, the people I'm
28:29
worried about aren't Hispanic. I'm not worried about Hispanics.
28:34
I'm worried about other folks coming from other parts of the
28:36
country. And it has nothing to do with
28:38
their race. It has to do with keeping us
28:40
safe. I, I, I wish that I wish that
28:47
you were in charge then and I wish that the actions of our
28:52
government was aligned with, even if it's a position I don't
28:57
agree with, it's a defensible position and it's not a hate
29:03
inspired position, but that's your position.
29:07
That's when you talk about it. That's not what I hear and
29:10
that's not what I see and that's not how I see ICE organized.
29:13
That's not what I see them pursuing.
29:16
That's just not what they're doing.
29:18
Again, you know, for the record, I totally disagree with you, but
29:21
I wish you were in charge, Kent. And again, I think you should
29:25
run for office. I will vote.
29:28
For you I will campaign. You are the worst piece of shit
29:33
in the world but I think you ought to run for office.
29:38
Like you're whole support of my candidacy is like a false flag
29:42
thing. You're.
29:43
No, no, can't. If you run for office, I will.
29:49
I will convert 100%. I mean, whatever the hell you
29:52
say. What what office would come
29:55
would if if I go for like dog catcher of can I can I count on
29:59
your vote in the 2028 presidential election I'm.
30:03
Serious, you ought to run. Oh man, no, this is a.
30:08
Great time for you. You're about ready to retire.
30:11
I mean, honestly, The thing is, like, as much as I like to spar
30:17
with you, like everything you're saying is logical, Like I, you
30:22
know, I want to argue with you, but you're, you're you don't
30:26
present. I'm not just trying to blow
30:28
smoke up your ass and kiss kiss up to you.
30:30
Let's keep this rolling. I just, you know, like I believe
30:35
what I'm telling you, but at the same time, I don't think you're
30:38
wrong either. I don't know, like I disagree
30:42
with you, but I don't think you're wrong.
30:43
And I that sounds like a strange maybe way to put it, but like
30:48
you're, you've got valid points. I I'm not arguing, and I hope I
30:55
don't characterize myself as being like the Donald Trump
30:59
apologist, like, no. I don't.
31:02
I don't have any love for the guy other than, you know, more
31:05
of a, a pragmatic desire that he does things well.
31:11
But I just don't see racism here.
31:14
But I can see where you see it. Yeah, well, first of all, thank
31:19
you for the the nice thoughts. And, and I'll say the exact same
31:22
to you, Kyle. You know, I don't agree with you
31:25
on some of these points, but when I hear and, and part of why
31:30
I like doing this is 'cause I like hearing the perspective of
31:35
the other side of a guy that is not a raging asshole.
31:40
That's what you that's what you bring to the No, I, no, I'm
31:46
serious. Like right, like it is
31:51
unassailable that it is a good thing to have solid border
31:56
control of our country. It is now I'm, I'm not super
32:02
sanguine about the deportations because again, most of these
32:08
people aren't here for, you know, free coupons from the food
32:13
bank. They're here for jobs, which
32:15
means that they're an important part of our economy.
32:17
And if indeed we're talking about 20 million people, that's
32:24
well in a sizeable fraction of our workforce that we can't
32:28
afford to deport so. Well, like we've put wish, I
32:31
wish we'd go. I wish they'd go to the Mall of
32:33
America's and set up a border shop and be like, come in here
32:38
for two hours and fill all this crap out and you didn't kill
32:41
anybody. We'll get you exactly, Yeah.
32:43
We'll come up with some kind of a game plan.
32:45
I love that, yeah. No, and and we're agreed on
32:47
that. And, and again, I'm not, I'm not
32:50
like, oh, we shouldn't. I don't think this will, I don't
32:55
think this will land with you. But I feel like the reason that
32:59
Biden didn't take action on immigration honestly is because
33:04
it had become so personalized and so charged under the first
33:10
Trump administration that and, and this happens all the time.
33:15
This goes to your point where Trump makes everything about
33:17
him. And you're, you're right, I hate
33:19
to admit it, but 100% right on that.
33:22
Which means that he can say that if if he thinks that dog shit is
33:30
bad, well, you're going to have people that are going to be
33:35
like, you can't. You can't demean dog excrement.
33:41
It has inherent value. Well, and I think I think that's
33:47
the, you know, like this old border thing I keep, you know,
33:50
one of my counter arguments Obama, this Obama.
33:52
And truth be told, it's probably not a very good argument because
33:57
again, that was pre Trump. This is the landscape was
34:01
different. It used to be the right was pro
34:05
illegal immigration because they wanted more people and, you
34:08
know, cheap labor and it and it was Trump and Clinton, Obama
34:12
were, you know, ringing the bell for, you know, cracking down on
34:17
illegal immigration and then Trump gets a hold of it.
34:20
Oh no, now it's like it's all switched around.
34:25
Yeah, well, so anyway, I do. And I guess the other thing I'd
34:29
give to you as well is, yes, here's I guess my perspective on
34:39
when you hear Trump and what he talks about from a the language.
34:44
You see, it is a appealing to the racist base.
34:47
And I don't put words in your mouth, but more of a
34:50
conspiratorial approach and you see my defenses being I'm
34:55
parsing words. I've.
34:57
Said before, I'll say it again, Trump's not a great
35:00
communicator. I don't like how he communicates
35:03
because he says something he there's no nuance with the guy.
35:08
You know, the guy is not going to be able.
35:10
Let me have a discussion about this, that and the other thing.
35:13
And so he's trying to get a point across about security, but
35:19
it comes off as a racial angle. And I guess I didn't take it
35:25
that way because that's not how I view the guy.
35:28
But at the same time, he didn't do a good job of saying, which
35:33
I've heard him say, but he didn't.
35:34
To your point, it was not like, well spoken, like, yeah, there's
35:40
murders coming. Now most of the people just want
35:42
a job and they're nice folks, and we need to figure out
35:45
something with them. And if he just said that, and he
35:47
said it in a halfway decent, coherent way, a lot of this
35:52
bullshit wouldn't be taking place, in my opinion.
35:56
A lot of this he brings on himself through his inability to
36:00
make the point. Now that's me talking.
36:03
I think your angle is it's all purposeful and he's doing it to
36:06
piss everybody off. Well, yeah, that's kind of what
36:09
I was going to say. And I just, I do think it's
36:11
interesting. I I hope you're right.
36:15
That gives me a lot of hope. Like he is what he is like he's
36:19
not going to change himself And and to your point, right.
36:22
So like, and if the media is like pouncing on every dumb
36:28
thing that he says, like like I can like I can follow that.
36:34
But it you understand why, first of all, like a lot of the stuff
36:40
that comes right out of his mouth is not things that you
36:44
would say that you, you know what I mean?
36:46
And like, but why? And maybe I am just looking for
36:52
monsters here. But like, then then why isn't
36:56
that the defense? Like, like when this comes back,
37:01
you're fanning the flames of you're, you're creating these ad
37:05
hominem races. Like, like, why not?
37:08
Why not come out and say that? And like, 'cause I'm not going
37:12
to listen to a three hour interview with him, with Joe
37:14
Rogan. Why doesn't what's her, what's
37:18
her check the communications lady instead of just saying
37:24
President Trump is the greatest man ever in the history of the
37:27
why doesn't she say, look, you're taking one aspect of this
37:32
and you're missing the bigger point.
37:34
And like, like he doesn't distance himself from that.
37:39
Is that just because he's who he is or my fear, My worry, my
37:47
paranoia, if you want to call it that.
37:50
Yeah. This whole thing's a big
37:52
freaking dog whistle to people that hate others.
37:54
And he, he's just waving the flag saying you are comfortable
37:59
in my party. If you don't like people because
38:02
of the way that they look, we're going to run with that.
38:06
So. It goes back to the the age-old
38:09
question. Is he stupid or is he a is it a
38:13
conspiracy? I mean, if I had to bet, I'd say
38:16
stupid. Well then you got no issues with
38:20
him, Ken. Well, is he not surrounded by
38:24
anybody smart enough to see that?
38:26
We need to, we need to separate that.
38:28
Like that's the part. Come on.
38:31
I, I I can almost get with you that this is a matter of being
38:36
inarticulate or being taken out of context.
38:40
Inarticulate. It's just his communication
38:44
approach. I've seen interviews with him
38:47
when he was 30 years old. It's the same thing.
38:51
He gets an idea and he keeps repeating the same message and
38:56
he'll say it six different ways from Sunday.
39:00
That's his angle. That's his approach.
39:02
And I mean, part of the reason why he got the, I mean,
39:10
honestly, and we talk about like the dynamics of the parties have
39:15
changed. Part of why, you know, he
39:18
probably got a lot of Democrats to vote for him is because a lot
39:22
of those Democrats were the same Democrats were voting for
39:25
Clinton and and Obama that wanted to do something about
39:29
illegal immigration. And he's talking the talk about,
39:33
hey, there's criminals coming across.
39:35
And you know, all he's going to say is there's criminals coming
39:38
across. He's not going to say some, you
39:42
know, well metered out statement that, you know, well, there's,
39:46
there's bad people coming across, there's good people
39:48
coming across. He's just going to keep
39:49
repeating the same damn thing. And I mean, I can't listen to
39:53
the guy. I mean, honestly, I mean, I, I
39:55
support a lot what he does. But because of that, because a
39:58
lot of it is just he'll say the same thing over and over and
40:01
over again. And that's like, you know, it's
40:05
like a, it's a strategy now, I think.
40:09
Your point this, your point is the strategy is he's coddling
40:13
racist. I see it more as he's like, I
40:16
got one point I can get across. What's the one thing I'm going
40:18
to leave the crowd with? And then I'm going to say it 6
40:21
times so everybody gets it, you know?
40:26
Lately I've been listening to from podcasts The Mooch our our
40:32
mutual friend Anthony Scaramucci.
40:35
Who, I might add, can't. When I took my latest job 4 1/2
40:40
years ago, my my, my nice brother got a cameo from the
40:46
Mooch and I still have that. It's a very, very encouraging
40:51
words, he said. I think his his advice was get
40:55
up early and get it done early or something like that.
40:57
That was. I actually really like him and
41:02
he's got an interesting read on what's going on.
41:06
I'll send you the link. There was a he had Mark Halperin
41:11
on and he can have Mark Halperin on because the left.
41:14
You can't have Mark Halperin on anymore because he got cancelled
41:17
because of his he was doing some sexual abuse thing.
41:23
And so he's like 86th out. But really interesting read on
41:29
kind of the ice stuff and the the Trump plan.
41:32
So I'll send you the link to it. I don't know if it's really
41:34
Jermaine for this, but I guess what it brings me back to is the
41:42
E word that we haven't said this entire podcast.
41:46
It's coming. And do you?
41:48
I mean, again, call me a conspiratorialist, but I 100%
41:56
think that he's real happy that we've got protests in Minnesota
42:00
right now 'cause people aren't talking about Epstein.
42:04
Well. And I wouldn't rule it out and
42:07
I'm not as still not pleased with the Epstein resolution, but
42:13
you're going to say every news article that comes up is a
42:17
diversion? Well, some of that's just the
42:19
news cycle in America today, I mean.
42:23
Fairly true. People get sick talking about
42:25
something anyways. I mean, it's going to be
42:28
Greenland. It's going to be that.
42:29
It's going to be what was the other big one over the holidays?
42:32
There was another big. Venezuela.
42:36
Oh, Venezuela. Yes, yes, that, yes.
42:41
Which, which sovereign nation are we?
42:44
You know, I don't know. We, I think we've done this
42:46
enough. I don't want to just go in
42:47
circles like, yeah, Maduro's a bad guy.
42:51
The world's probably better off with him not leading Venezuela.
42:56
The timing had nothing to do with the Epstein.
43:00
Nothing whatsoever. No, but again, like
43:03
consideration. Now you're going to like
43:05
everything that happens. Well, I mean, you know, timing.
43:09
It's about the Epstein. I mean it it becomes a bit of a
43:13
self defining prophecy, but. Don't you think he thinks that
43:17
way? I mean, am I?
43:18
Am I really that crazy? I.
43:21
Think he's got a lot of plans and he's doing a lot of things I
43:26
maybe. I I just it?
43:29
Well, I mean, was he not going to do anything?
43:31
I mean, there's not going to be any Trump news in the news for a
43:35
month because of, you know. No, I'm not saying that, but I
43:41
it's, it's just interesting to me because.
43:45
We're not, and I don't like the fact that it's dying off.
43:49
I mean. So what about that dude at the
43:52
Ford plant? Wasn't it Ford the dude that
43:56
called him a pedophile protector?
43:58
Which is like, hard to see that that's not what's going on and
44:05
that dude got fired. Interesting.
44:10
Which I don't know, you know, I guess you know, we've talked
44:14
before free speech. It means he he didn't go to
44:16
prison, but he didn't get fired. But people like me given to
44:21
event mode. Or is it with Chris Farley's?
44:26
Is it his cousin or brother runs sport now?
44:30
Is it was it his brother or no? I think it was.
44:32
His cousin, I think, Yeah. The guy looks a lot like him.
44:38
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44:42
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