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Talks to 2/3rds of The Polis Box about Lee's choice of The War Machines (2/4) · A Hamster With a Blunt Penknife - a Doctor Who Commentary podcast

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  None. Hamster with a blunt penknife
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  for. Doing quicker, quicker.
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  Quicker Welcome back to Hamster with a Blunt Penknife, the
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  Doctor Who commentary podcast. I I'm blame Mcmenamy.
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  I'm not your regular host. I'm joined by your regular host,
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  Mr. Joe Ford. Hello, I'm very delighted to be
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  here. Thank you for having me today,
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  I. Should hope so it's your
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  podcast. I'll do, I'll do anything.
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  I'll bribe anyone to have an evening in in your guy's
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  company. So I'm very pleased you're both
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  volunteers. Oh you charm, you charm.
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  Also joined by my my podcast and broadcast colleague Mr. Cameron
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  Phillips. Hello hello all.
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  Cameron, will you do me a favour please and just give everyone a
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  quick update on our relationship status?
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  And I really we are. I believe.
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  I I hope we are. We podcast married, are we not?
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  We are, yes, indeed. And and I hope I, I, you know,
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  make a nice home for you. Dinner's on the table every
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  night. I'll warm your slippers before
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  you get into bed, etcetera, etcetera.
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  Yes, love and dressing gown as we've been through.
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  You warm your slippers up before he gets into bed.
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  Yeah, he's very. You make your slippers to bed.
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  What's wrong with your Cameron? Your animal?
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  He lives in fucking Scotland, all right?
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  He's cold. Yeah, you know, it's cold, man.
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  It's cold. I'm not going to dispute that.
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  I think there's there's there's one thing about, you know, being
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  with Joe and that's you've always got warm extremities.
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  He's not wrong. Can I ask you a question?
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  Actually, I'm a bit. I mean, I've been to Edinburgh
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  about five Times Now, but I always went when there was very
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  Clement weather. Is it very cold in Scotland?
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  I hear rumours that it's bloody freezing.
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  I was. Going to say that doesn't really
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  narrow it down. Do you know what, actually, the
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  last three days it's been nice and sunny outside but a bit
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  chilly, so I reckon that's a little bit caught up until about
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  July now. Yeah, it's chilly in the
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  mornings at the minute and then kind of nice in the afternoons,
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  I think. Yeah, it's varied.
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  It's never boring. There's bloody freezing down
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  here. We're getting it all wrong, Lee.
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  Why don't you let everybody know what we're here to talk about
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  today? We are here to talk about and to
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  continue talking about perhaps the finest document in Doctor
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  Who history, in my opinion, nobody else's.
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  It's the majestic War machines from Series 3.
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  When did you first see this? I don't need to ask him that
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  question. Yeah, because right now he's.
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  Living it for the first time, first thing I saw this was
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  probably about, oh, when the DVD came out of the margin, that's
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  when I was living down in York. So I had the job working down in
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  York for it's like 4 days on, four days off.
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  And I think that's came out in the depths of the winter.
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  So a lot of my afternoons were go for a walk in the morning and
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  at the centre of the York back along the river get a couple of
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  nice cakes from the bakers across the road.
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  Especially here as I'm going to get in, get on the couch for the
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  cats, watch the Doctor Who the the So it would have been around
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  about 2000 and nine 2010 I think this came out, which is the
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  first time I've ever seen it. Instant favorite for mostly the
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  reason that I subscribed in episode one of this podcast.
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  So yeah, it's remained. So it's just something about it
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  that I love. Was that really your daily life?
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  That sounds like absolute heaven.
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  Oh God, I miss it. Walk down a canal, buy some
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  cakes, watch some. Doctor Who?
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  That's. Great.
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  Four times a week. Yeah, well, I wish I was you
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  before this, but now even more so.
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  And Cameron, how is your first experience of watching this
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  Doctor Who episode minus sound, with two idiots talking all over
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  it? It's it's not been detrimental
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  to the experience I have to say. It's making me.
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  It's it's making me, as I say, wanted to go back and watch it
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  as God intended in the in the near future.
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  But I'm quite I'm quite liking this.
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  I'm I'm a big fan of evil entities that have corporate
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  logos. And.
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  And MO tan seems to fall, you know, You know, like like Cobra
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  from GI Joe. You know, they've gone to the
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  lengths of being an evil, you know, militia, but they've still
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  got a little nice designed article, you know, thing for the
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  top of the letter heads. Wu Tan's definitely got a blue
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  tick. He does.
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  He's definitely paying for for his blue tick on Hex.
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  Keep an eye out on this episode for where the the special
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  components are being delivered to the warehouse to create the
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  war machines. They're the cut price Daleks
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  from this story and they're all stamped with the West.
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  You know, even his boxes for the components are stamped.
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  With his corporate logo. Do you think there might be a
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  reading in there about capitalism?
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  But possibly there wouldn't be some teenage little inkling of
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  anti capitalist. I'll tell you something before
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  thinking like that. If the Watan went on The
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  Apprentice instant one, he's straight through the final,
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  isn't he? Oh.
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  That would be glorious. Wouldn't.
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  It hypnotizes Alan Sugar on the last episode for the investment.
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  Your your your hired. I'm not sure Alan Sugar could
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  talk in more of a monotone, though, if I'm honest.
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  Well, I've got some questions I want to ask you about the
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  novelisation in episode two. We should probably press play
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  and get into it. Now.
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  Cameron, please interject at any time with any frilling
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  observations you're having about the glorious visuals.
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  OK, OK. Otherwise, we're just going to
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  talk all over here. All right.
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  I will count as in then in 543, 21, here we go.
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  So what How was the how was the book, how was the prose?
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  You know it's just a book you would recommend to non Doctor
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  Who fans to read. I will not lie to you.
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  Like most target novels of the classic series, it's a quick
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  read. It doesn't really diverge too
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  much from what you see on screen.
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  That does flash out a lot of bits here and there.
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  Like I said in first episodes, the whole fortune the signature
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  of V in Chesterton to get into the post office tower.
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  So it's mostly faithful to what you see on screen, but it is
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  worth reading. But all the little extra details
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  are chucked in there so. Was there any additional
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  information about Dodo going off to the country?
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  Yes, that was my segue to talk about Dodo.
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  I'll need to go back and look. I don't think it was much like
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  in the TV episode. She's going to just move the
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  side, so I'll need to reread that and I'll get back to you
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  properly on that. But I don't.
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  I don't recall it being a big emotion farewell for her, which
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  is a crime. I don't know too much of the
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  behind the scenes as to why they just summarily dismissed Jackie
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  Lane, but from what I can see it's like wow, we want to bring
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  the show up to date and bring in these sort of swinging 60s
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  companions and make the show more fun.
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  And we've got this sort of frumpy middle-aged woman
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  pretending to be a teenager currently in the show.
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  But it does seem to be that the ACT just failed, right?
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  It just they just went no, your contract's over.
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  Go. Yeah.
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  Stevie's played an odd one because it's like that all the
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  way through. You've got three different
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  producers. I think you have about 7
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  companions throughout the course of these, like 7 or 8 stories.
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  Like you start off with Vicky and Stephen, then it's just
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  Stephen, then Dodo comes in, there's Katarina, there's Sarah
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  Kingdom as well. If you count them as proper
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  companions, which they kind of are before we even get to Ben
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  and Pauli and Ennis. Lloyd just seems to have no
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  qualms whatsoever, just firing people because it doesn't think
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  they work for the show, regardless of contracts they may
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  have signed. It's like the prototype Michael
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  grades, you know, it seems to just hate Doctor Who in all
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  those forms. So.
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  But there's a there's a because there's a weird situation when
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  when Michael Cray's and Annika Wills go and one of them tells
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  the story, that they were both given the chop at the same time.
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  Annika Wills tells the story that no, I was offered an
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  extended contract, but they wanted to get rid of Michael
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  Cray's because Fraser Hynes was there all of a sudden.
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  Yeah. And it just seems to be a period
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  where there was just no regard whatsoever for the fact that
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  this was these people's fucking livelihoods.
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  Yeah, yeah, that's true. I mean, I know what they're kind
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  of making it on the hoof because like the time between recording
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  and broadcast and actually felt with all this stuff is pretty
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  small Windows. But even still, you think, yeah,
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  producer could have some sort of forward planning and on just
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  sacking people seemingly on a whim, which is what's happened
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  to what all this happened to pure old Jackie Lane here.
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  So come on then. You said that you were going to
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  mount a defence of Dodo. Now I quite like Dodo.
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  I think she's very fun. But the court is in session,
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  toys box style. Cameron and I will be
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  adjudicating. Off you go.
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  I've got no hope then. OK, well, it's mostly more than
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  you, Jacqueline, rather than the.
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  That's a bit to do with the character of those as well.
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  But she just never gets a chance on Doctor Who.
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  She's only in five stories. She's introduced at the very,
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  very end of one, and then she's dismissed in the middle of this
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  one. All through that time, they
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  can't seem to decide what they want to do before she comes in.
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  She's a cockney. By the time the next series
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  starts, she's a mink. She's just walked off the set of
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  coordination streak, but then we get to this point.
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  She's RP, so she's never got a chance to have a consistent,
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  settled aspect to her character. She's pushed from pillar to
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  post, and I can understand why after leaving Doctor Who for so
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  many years, she didn't want to have anything to do with it.
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  Because you're on a job, your manager doesn't know what to do
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  with you. You don't get a chance to show
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  what you can do and then you're just dismissed without warning.
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  If they phone you up like 2 weeks down the line and say
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  actually we're going for drinks at the pub, do you want to come?
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  You tell them that you're gone and that's what Jackie Lane's
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  done for years and she's good. She is really good.
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  I know this has received wisdom of fans that oh, that's
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  terrible. Doctor Who companion, she was
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  only in it for a little while, but that's powers outside her
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  control. You look at her in the
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  gunfighters, she's brilliant in the gunfighters.
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  She. Guides the comedy perfectly.
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  All the business with the piano and forgetting her lyrics and
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  loads of stuff that she does that even like the Arc as well.
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  She's really, really good and I don't think she's given the
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  credit that she's due. There are far worse Doctor Who
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  companions than Dodo and it's just circumstance.
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  She never got the chance to have an extended run and show what
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  she could do so. Whilst.
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  You're not guilty, Doctor Who? While you're on a hiding for
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  nothing here, will you naming shame please the Doctor Who
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  companions that are worse than Dodo?
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  Well, we can go for that as a wet cardboard.
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  That's Nessa. Can't be.
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  OK Cam any any suggestions? Adrick bottom of the table all
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  the time. Don't care who Adrick is, bottom
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  of the table. May I suggest you guys don't do
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  season 19 then anytime soon? Oh God, I just.
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  I despise. Adrick with every.
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  Favour of my billion. I mean, I I knew a lot of kids
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  like Adrick when I was growing. Up.
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  And I defend that absolute crap gate.
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  Oh, now, Cam, keep an eye on this fella here.
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  This is our comedy tramp for the episode, right?
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  OK, now he's looking to Doss down in that warehouse over
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  there and he comes across the war machines being created in
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  the warehouse. So this is our first slicing of
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  them sort of being put together and all that.
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  Unfortunately, then he gets he gets chased around the warehouse
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  and the only thing that's missing is the Benny Hill theme
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  tune because it is very nice. Come on, lady is right.
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  Yes, but you know what? I've got a feeling about this
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  tramp step that we'll get to very, very shortly when I
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  certain someone pops up on screen.
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  I'll give you the nod when that happens because we may have to
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  pause it briefly so I can point out to you the person I'm
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  talking about. So I'll give you a shout.
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  I'm a big fan though. But even though Wu Tan is like a
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  evil artificial intelligent computer bent on hell and
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  destruction, he's still giving jobs to people.
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  Whoa, he needs human labour. Well, wait till you see the size
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  of the bloody things. You'll see why they're
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  absolutely enormous. Oh no.
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  OK. As the fella said on Blue Pizza,
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  nothing will be able to withstand it.
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  It'll just go broom and knock it all over.
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  You've seen that, haven't you Like?
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  Oh yeah. Oh yeah, Look.
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  Look at the branding on the boxes.
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  Come on now. Oh yeah, it's got a bit of stock
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  and he's doing his work out of Covent Garden.
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  You know, he's got a bit of style.
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  Thinking that rental prices though in that place, I dread
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  to. Think.
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  Wolf Time myself has very deep pockets.
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  I love all the warehouse. It's really well, short.
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  I know it's all in filming and healing, but it just really adds
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  to it, doesn't it? And he goes pick Ben.
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  Josh's dad's off to me. He's doing.
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  Well, I mean, what helps is the fact that it's shot on film at
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  Ealing means that when it comes to the action sequences later on
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  in the story where they're they're doing like rapid cuts or
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  people dying, the the machines, you know, spinning around and
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  all of this. It's not your typical 1960s
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  action sequence at this point because it's being done in film
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  studios where they can handle, let's say, a little bit of
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  dynamism. It's not lime.
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  Grove Is it comedy traps though? Cam, do you remember Pig Bin
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  Josh from Claws of Axos? Yes, vaguely.
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  Yeah, I remember. The one that gets on the same
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  claws of axos, he he. Finds the old battered bike and
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  ends up in the frozen water going Arg Arg.
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  Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. Terrible.
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  Here we go. The section I think we're coming
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  to describe the three stream might be required.
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  Cindy or Joe. Pause button.
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  I'll give you the shout. Oh, I'm actually going to pause
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  it. Yeah.
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  Yeah, you're going to have to pause the second point.
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  OK, everybody listening. Please get your pause buttons
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  ready. Yes, on it should give you
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  advance awarding, folks. So right about no OK messed up.
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  Can you go back just a couple of seconds?
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  Yeah, Oh, I'll go back 20 seconds and press play again.
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  Right. OK.
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  Just go back 20. Seconds.
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  Any bugger listens to this alongside actually watching it.
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  OK, be quick with me this time. OK, coming up and just after the
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  semen, they're all lining up. No, perfect.
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  No, the person on the far right hand and say to your screen and
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  the white shot in the dark jacket, do you recognize that
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  man? No, no.
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  Oh, ladies and gentlemen, may I introduce to you the listeners
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  of Hamster, Rob Blunt, Penknife, the one and only Mr. Frank
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  Butcher that. Is my Chris.
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  That is my Chris. Jeez, he looks so slim.
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  I know he's like 2526 here, so I mean, yeah, I do obviously know
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  how much his appearance fee was, right?
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  No. Five, he says.
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  EastEnders joke for everybody I. Think he read appears a couple
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  of times, doesn't he? In he does.
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  And yes, he does. Yeah, I yes, he's a jobbing
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  extra at this point. But here's my theory.
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  That's just what I really think happens to pick Ben Josh's dad
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  in this warehouse. Because he never actually sees
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  death. I don't actually see what
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  happens to him, so let's not forget that one of Frank
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  Butcher's big storylines in EastEnders was torching the car
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  law and an insurance scam whilst, unbeknownst to him,
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  there was a homeless person sleeping inside one of the cars
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  that got killed. I'm just saying he's got a
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  history of offing tramps. Oh no, we don't see what happens
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  to this man, but I'm putting the finger on my creed.
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  You're basically saying that is Frank Butcher there from
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  EastEnders. Frank.
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  Butcher is. And and as he thought we were
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  introduced to him, he was already heavy into sort of tramp
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  murder at. That point?
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  Yeah. Everybody's got Hey, I hope beat
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  him. Honestly, no one dishes out
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  trivia like you, Lee. Honestly, I love it.
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  OK. Am I safe to press play?
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  Yes, you are. I want to.
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  Keep an eye on him now, actually, and see what he he
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  gets. Up soon, he does.
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  Up later on, one of the soldiers in the, I think the last
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  episode's been having the big fight with War Machine.
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  Actually, you know what? With that close up there, you
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  really could actually see that was here.
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  I never. Knew that Billy Conley was in
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  Doctor Who. Here he is.
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  Look at this. Now this is where you need the
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  Betty Hill music. Oh, you go, Billy, Run, run for
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  your life. They're building a big war
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  machine. I won't say nothing, boss, he
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  says. It's a bit broad, isn't it?
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  OK. All of the BCS or Spall though.
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  Oh yeah. Oh, here we go again.
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  Nothing goes. This would be the perfect time
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  you know for this to be one of your videos on the Polish box
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  with the Benny or theme chick. I'll be getting to this.
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  I will do that. I'll just be you Joe all.
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  Right. Oh, have a look, Cam.
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  Oh, my Lord, alive. How would you play then, Garden?
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  How would you describe the war machine?
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  It's kind of like a demonic metal Mickey, isn't it?
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  I used to love metal Mickey. Did you use the watch that?
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  Yeah. He used to scare me a little
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  bit. Actually, it's.
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  A bit intimidating, isn't he? It's a big old junkie Metal.
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  It's. Me right away, Yeah.
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  All right, he's oh, we're back with the Doctor.
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  Here we go. We're in safe hands here.
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  We'll see. What occurs is is Dodo comes in
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  now and attempts to have the doctor hypnotise.
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  She takes the phone call from Vote Anne and gives him the
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  phone. And please have a look at
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  William Hartnell's attempting to not be hypnotised by this phone
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  call acting as he sort of wrestles wrestles with the
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  receiver. It's someone else.
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  I don't know. Have you ever heard the story
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  that he tells Peter Purvis tells about Hartnell, essentially
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  training him to work for television where he was going.
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  You know, you know, don't. You're not acting for a movie,
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  You don't do big. It's a small camera.
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  Do your gestures small. I think he might have forgotten
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  that in this bit coming up because he goes big and broad.
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  It gives a gusto, I'll give him that.
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  For a man in this condition, he gives a fear of act and.
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  He he does, he does. And and you know, I want to ask
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  you guys a question of the heterosexual variety.
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  Dodo's out and Polly's in. Is that a shift in the show's
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  favour? I've got a very big level here
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  then yes, I think so. I mean, Dodo's not been chasing
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  parked cars, but you know, like Polly has got the, got the, got
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  the, got the stepper on there, do you?
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  Please look at what she's wearing.
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  I mean, she's supposed to be, what, 18?
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  And she's dressed up like a nerves.
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  Yeah, it's an odd costume choice, isn't it?
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  That's a bit frumpy and she is definitely doing that.
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  Possessed acting, you know she's.
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  Going to see, yeah, the. Keen intellect of the Doctor is
• 20:07
  not spotting the fact that she's behaving like a robot.
• 20:09
  I love the bit right at the end when she's standing by the door.
• 20:11
  You can't really tell if she's doing possessed acting or she's
• 20:14
  just thinking about how she's going to jump Pennis Lloyd in
• 20:16
  the car park afterwards. Or she's just like, oh, I'm out
• 20:20
  of here. I'm just phoning it in and this
• 20:22
  thing, all right? And then I'm gone.
• 20:25
  Oh, here we go, one rings. Oh.
• 20:28
  Wait for this, all right? Evil chocolate blocks going to
• 20:30
  get you. You lost the button.
• 20:34
  Do you press the button Margaret?
• 20:36
  He holds the phone up to the computer.
• 20:38
  Doesn't he like the? Direct director Wilton.
• 20:43
  You don't hear the hypnotism. Sorry.
• 20:45
  Did you hear Mark Hill Cone? See see in.
• 20:51
  The light. Oh, here we go.
• 20:53
  Here. We go, Oh my.
• 20:55
  Doctor, you all right, you? Have the Mana Bafta.
• 20:59
  Because I've got no sound that I've never seen this.
• 21:02
  I'm imagine them all. All the characters aren't the
• 21:04
  Doctor and Dodo of Jodie accents.
• 21:10
  That's how I'm That's how I'm getting it in my.
• 21:11
  Head He doesn't. Why Jodie?
• 21:15
  I don't know why. We're in central London.
• 21:20
  In fact, right now we're in Covent Garden.
• 21:21
  It's going to be everyone's going to sound like they're from
• 21:23
  Eton. Look if Dodo can change her
• 21:25
  accent from week to week, so can the rest of the cast.
• 21:29
  Oh, you know, you've just reminded me, right, this is how
• 21:31
  many of these bloody books that I've read.
• 21:33
  There's a wonderful Steve Lyons book called Salvation, which
• 21:36
  explains a lot of Dodo's back story.
• 21:38
  And the the the truth is, is that she is from Manchester,
• 21:43
  right? But she's sort of ashamed of it.
• 21:46
  So sometimes she tries to put on other accents.
• 21:48
  That's how they try to describe, yeah.
• 21:53
  Sure, Steve. Sure.
• 21:54
  That's the reason. Could you see Hartle's acting
• 21:57
  there as he was? He's going.
• 21:59
  It was like something terrific was trying to absorb me.
• 22:03
  Absorb me. Great.
• 22:06
  But he's still got it. I know his pales feeling at this
• 22:08
  point and he's always been a bit shaking his legs, but this is
• 22:12
  probably hard in all this last hurrah really, isn't it?
• 22:15
  You know I did. I did the YouTube commentary
• 22:19
  with Dylan on the 10th Planet and I was surprised at how good
• 22:21
  he was. I know he's written out and I
• 22:23
  know he doesn't get enough screen time.
• 22:25
  I just don't think he drops the ball.
• 22:27
  I. Mean.
• 22:27
  He's still very much involved in this particular bunch of
• 22:30
  episodes, so I think it's just like this is definitely his last
• 22:34
  kind of big set of stories. Well, big stories of doctoral,
• 22:39
  isn't it? Barely in smugglers and like
• 22:42
  you're saying Ted Flan is going to sideline from most of it so.
• 22:45
  And here he is. Like we've said, he just pushed
• 22:48
  his way into wherever he wants to be and declares himself the
• 22:52
  smartest man in the room. He takes down the war machine.
• 22:54
  Later on, he stands right in front of it as he's coming
• 22:57
  towards him. He's he's a powerful figure.
• 22:59
  Yes, yes. In fact, is this the last use of
• 23:02
  his ring? You know when he hypnotizes with
• 23:04
  the ring that that thing's been used?
• 23:05
  Lows, isn't he? In the 60s.
• 23:07
  That's got apart from taking it doesn't that I can't remember
• 23:10
  what circumstances but yeah it's not if you're pardon the
• 23:12
  expression it's not the first time you've seen William
• 23:14
  Barnhill's ring. Oh, it doesn't image they sleep
• 23:18
  well. If you listen to that, yeah,
• 23:21
  rumour monger Dylan Reece, you know it'll tell you a few
• 23:24
  stories. About, see what's.
• 23:25
  The fella's name? Jack.
• 23:26
  Jack Coyne. I can't remember the fella's
• 23:29
  name there. One of the stump, then.
• 23:30
  I don't know. There's a there's hitting some
• 23:32
  rumours that the two of them were at it.
• 23:34
  I. Thought yeah, yeah.
• 23:36
  I thought he was a famous homophobe, but there we go.
• 23:39
  Now I mean, if it could be a smokescreen joke.
• 23:42
  Yeah, it's very true. We protest These know what?
• 23:45
  But. That means you two are
• 23:47
  definitely straight, because you're very accepting the pair
• 23:49
  of you. I've been told I've got a very
• 23:53
  heterosexual mouth from someone in the past.
• 23:56
  What does that even mean? Well, is this a story to tell in
• 24:02
  the middle of a doctor? Who podcast?
• 24:03
  Probably not. Please.
• 24:04
  Still. Annoyed talk to.
• 24:06
  You talk for 10 minutes about biscuits.
• 24:07
  Come on. When when I was in my in my art
• 24:11
  student days, I had a flatmate who was gay and I helped him
• 24:16
  organise gay friendly nights and helped out on the night there.
• 24:21
  And then at one at one of these occasions there was a fellow who
• 24:23
  kept buying me vodka and I kind of forgot it was a gay friendly
• 24:26
  night and I just thought he was being like a nice guy.
• 24:31
  And then I suddenly went oh oh wait oh hang on.
• 24:35
  And I had to explain to him, Sorry mate, sorry mate.
• 24:39
  And he kind of stomped off going, I thought you had a
• 24:41
  heterosexual mouth and off he went, never saw him again.
• 24:46
  So I was like, OK fine. Just as a confirmation to any
• 24:51
  listeners of either The Polish Box or Happens With a Blood pen
• 24:54
  Knife, his mouth is most definitely not heterosexual,
• 24:58
  thank you very much. Fair.
• 25:01
  Enough. Look at all this footage now
• 25:05
  we're we're going to Battersea Power Station.
• 25:08
  We sort of. And later on, we cut all around
• 25:10
  the country, all around the world, there's.
• 25:13
  A lot of stock footage but to good use in this isn't there
• 25:16
  really sort of adds to the feeling that is there's.
• 25:17
  A lot. Of stuff in there.
• 25:20
  It's actually the same tricks that Rusty Davis would use when
• 25:23
  he brings the show back in 2005 doing that sort of cuts to to
• 25:27
  pubs, to people's houses, to news reports.
• 25:31
  There's a lot of that going on. I think he might have watched
• 25:33
  the war machines before he brought the show back.
• 25:36
  Yeah, that's definitely an RTD trick in episode 4 as well.
• 25:41
  Oh, yes. Now this is the only part of
• 25:45
  this story which I have a bit of trouble with, and I know it all
• 25:47
  looks very expensive, but I don't really need to see these
• 25:52
  terrifying war machines put together in quite as much detail
• 25:55
  as I do. They look a little bit like the
• 25:57
  cleaning robots in Paradise Towers.
• 26:01
  They do, don't they? You are getting vibes.
• 26:04
  Distant cousins. We're missing that Kev
• 26:06
  McCullough disco music, though, aren't we?
• 26:10
  Wow. I actually feel a little bit
• 26:12
  sorry for these poor actors that have come into this show.
• 26:15
  Right? And they're given interesting
• 26:17
  characters and then for the rest of the story they're just
• 26:20
  they're just brain dead, aren't they?
• 26:21
  For the rest of the bloody story.
• 26:23
  Oh, this is great. Watch this fella.
• 26:25
  He's just used as a as the first victim, isn't he?
• 26:29
  Yeah, it's it's something else You'll notice as well.
• 26:31
  Wait to see this. Let's test the war machines
• 26:34
  firing capabilities and what happens.
• 26:39
  Feels if this is an appropriate junction to whilst both of you
• 26:42
  and please don't both say Dave just because he's not here, but
• 26:45
  say you were creating evil war machines and you know, obviously
• 26:49
  you have to test it out on one of you who's the most expendable
• 26:52
  of the polis box. Oh my God.
• 26:58
  Well, you first. Oh God, I don't know.
• 27:08
  I feel a bit bad because I'm like, I'm I'm the new guy in the
• 27:11
  Polish box because Lee and Dave were doing it, the two of them
• 27:14
  for. A couple of years ago.
• 27:15
  You've been on it for six years. Yeah, I know.
• 27:18
  But still you guys still kind of like you guys original thing.
• 27:22
  I'm the fucking new guy. The Polish box, all right.
• 27:27
  Oh, well, yeah. If I get vaporized by somebody
• 27:30
  Vega, then yeah, you will be. Just remember who wrote the keys
• 27:34
  to the courtroom Cam. Oh yeah, I know, Yeah, I say.
• 27:37
  I want, I want to win for next season.
• 27:39
  So, yeah. Yeah, Dave.
• 27:40
  Actually, Lee, you schedule it, don't you?
• 27:42
  You put together those fabulous intros.
• 27:45
  You know, you bring it all together.
• 27:47
  You put it out afterwards. I'd say you're the least
• 27:49
  disposable of the Polish Box I. Don't know.
• 27:52
  I think other people might not agree with you.
• 27:54
  There all this stuff at the start.
• 27:56
  Why didn't it just get into the episodes?
• 27:58
  What's this guy doing? I love.
• 28:00
  All that star pass. Look, I'm sorry, that's not my
• 28:03
  favorite part. I love all of it.
• 28:04
  But I just, I love those videos at the beginning.
• 28:06
  I think when I come on, I feel as if you just do those bits for
• 28:09
  me. Aside the ultimate ego trip.
• 28:13
  Oh, I've got a question for you both, you know, now I'm
• 28:16
  assuming, you know, I know you said you're a bit gappy with 60s
• 28:18
  too, right? But you've watched some of the
• 28:20
  70s and 80s, right? Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 28:23
  Yeah. OK, great.
• 28:24
  So you've watched some companion departure stories in your time.
• 28:27
  Maybe The Green Death and The Fear, Yeah.
• 28:29
  Yeah. Resurrection of the Daleks and
• 28:31
  bits and bobs like that. So Dodo's exit here, where she's
• 28:35
  whisked off to the country, that's what happens.
• 28:37
  So she's hypnotized and she's just whisked off and, you know,
• 28:40
  go stay with the Charles Grover's family or whatever it
• 28:43
  is, And then we never see her again.
• 28:46
  Is that the sort of least climactic departure a companion
• 28:50
  has ever suffered? Probably, yeah.
• 28:53
  I can't think of much else that beats that for just absolutely
• 28:55
  being downplayed. Oh, Larry, really?
• 29:00
  Kind of rhyme was it? Is Leela just suddenly deciding
• 29:02
  she's going to get married to a guard in The Invasion of Time I?
• 29:05
  Literally was going to say that we are one person.
• 29:07
  Lee. I'll tell ya, it's it's an odd
• 29:10
  choice, isn't it? When she when she just goes,
• 29:12
  yeah. Oh, I've fallen in love with
• 29:13
  this handsome guard. At least she got a departure
• 29:16
  scene right. That's true.
• 29:18
  Yeah, that's that. You'll see Cam at the end of
• 29:21
  this story. The doctor's waiting outside.
• 29:23
  Yeah, that just seems to be she's sworn off and that's it.
• 29:27
  He's literally waiting there at the end of the story for an
• 29:28
  indeterminate amount of time and just go, Well, I was.
• 29:32
  I was waiting for the child. I almost left without her.
• 29:35
  And that's it. That's all we get.
• 29:38
  Oh, OK. Wow.
• 29:39
  Yeah. Bye, Jackie.
• 29:43
  Stand by for sight test. That's what I spend all day
• 29:46
  seeing in my job. That is true.
• 29:50
  Do you do it in a Hessey voice? Lee, can I ask you, do you have
• 29:53
  any trivia about the war machines themselves?
• 29:56
  Do you know what? I don't, I'm sorry, the
• 29:59
  information text I didn't have. Anything interesting to say
• 30:01
  about the war machines? I don't think so.
• 30:04
  I mean, I suppose we need to get to that as an episode 4.
• 30:07
  When the guys that operated, they really got roasted alive
• 30:11
  with the special effects. You don't know that, but it's
• 30:14
  crashing through the alley and it sets all the greatest on
• 30:16
  fire. Partly some debris got in front
• 30:18
  of the War Machine as they were filming that, and they rolled
• 30:21
  over the top of it and apparently underneath of the War
• 30:24
  Machine started burning. It's a cut stumping on the DVD
• 30:29
  for you see the two guys running at the back of the War Machine.
• 30:35
  Have you guys ever seen the the the I Was a Doctor Who monster
• 30:38
  documentary? There was a quite a bit of life
• 30:42
  and death going on in my costumes in the in the Classic
• 30:45
  series. What's the Sea Devils?
• 30:48
  For a start, they're all underwater and tight fitting
• 30:50
  rubber masks aren't they? Can you just hold your head
• 30:53
  under there just a little longer, please?
• 30:55
  Yeah, it's. Kind of health and safe.
• 30:58
  We're gonna fit now. So obviously I did say I will do
• 31:02
  this at the end of every F so Cam now Ben is in a situation of
• 31:04
  extreme peril as the war machines light is fixed upon
• 31:08
  him. How do you rate that as a
• 31:11
  cliffhanger? That's decent.
• 31:13
  That's decent. I'll give you that.
• 31:15
  That's very good. I'd I'd be defending that on the
• 31:17
  Polish box if I had to. If you think that's a good
• 31:19
  Cliff, now, you wait till you see the end of episode 3, All
• 31:23
  right? OK.
• 31:23
  Small entitlement for you there, my friend, but one of our best
• 31:26
  cliffhangers of the entire era. Wow.
• 31:29
  OK, well, boys, that's episode 2 Down.
• 31:33
  I suppose we should go and skip into Episode 3.
• 31:38
  Bullshit, yeah. Let's do it.