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The Last of Us Part 2 Special: Episode 4 · Stuff Mom Never Told You

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  Speaker 1: Hey, this is Sanny and Samantha. I'm welcome to Stephan
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  Speaker 1: Never Told You protection if by Heart Radio, and welcome
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  Speaker 1: to our episode four of our Last of Us season
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  Speaker 1: two mini series reactions. They are not a sponsor, as
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  Speaker 1: ridiculous as I find it, but that's just the case.
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  Speaker 2: I think someone's spying on us though, for real.
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  Speaker 1: I think somebody's listening. If you are, hello.
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  Speaker 2: Come talk to us.
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  Speaker 1: Sponsor us, Yes, both neither. So this is the thing
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  Speaker 1: we're doing where we are reacting to season two of
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  Speaker 1: the Last of Us. In case some of you don't know,
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  Speaker 1: it's like my favorite thing. It's one of my favorite things.
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  Speaker 1: That's why we're doing it. There's also a lot of
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  Speaker 1: feminist elements to talk about, promise, but yes, that is
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  Speaker 1: why we're doing it, and so we will be reacting
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  Speaker 1: to the most recent episode about a week after it
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  Speaker 1: first aired. Is when this episode will come out. It's confusing,
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  Speaker 1: but it's to give people time to watch it, right yeah,
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  Speaker 1: including yes, yes, also to give me a bunch of
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  Speaker 1: times to rewatch it so I can really think about
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  Speaker 1: some stuff, really cry about it, yes, really cry about it.
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  Speaker 1: But so that being said, there will be spoilers for
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  Speaker 1: this season, the most recent episode, the first season, and
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  Speaker 1: the first game and parts of the second game, though
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  Speaker 1: I'm trying to avoid very specific plot point things in
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  Speaker 1: the second game. I'll talk about the changes, but not
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  Speaker 1: what might come. If that makes sense, Okay. I do
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  Speaker 1: have to say I had a moment this weekend. It
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  Speaker 1: was it was May the fourth be with you, a
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  Speaker 1: Star Wars day. It was a lovely day. And then
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  Speaker 1: we did The Last of Us and I just remember
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  Speaker 1: I was like, this is so cool because I had
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  Speaker 1: friends that I hadn't seen in a while and they're like,
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  Speaker 1: have you seen the Last of Us? What do you think?
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  Speaker 1: And we were watching it and I was like, this
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  Speaker 1: looks like the game. I just remember playing this. It
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  Speaker 1: is so cool. Even though it's a really painful game
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  Speaker 1: and show at times, I'm really enjoying it. I'm really
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  Speaker 1: enjoying it. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: And just to.
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  Speaker 1: Do some housekeeping, as I said previously, we are not
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  Speaker 1: doing our Sex and the City episodes nor our fiction
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  Speaker 1: episodes while we do this, just because they're heavier lips
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  Speaker 1: for Christina. But they will be back. They will be
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  Speaker 1: back in June, so if they're your don't worry about it.
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  Speaker 1: But the way these are laid out if you haven't
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  Speaker 1: heard them before. Samantha does a recap and then I
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  Speaker 1: just go through my thoughts.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, yes, I do the recap because I remember less
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  Speaker 2: from the game than you do, obviously much less, because
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  Speaker 2: I remember I had to turn back to you a
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  Speaker 2: couple of time. Was like, is this in the game.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, So Samantha break it down for us. Yes.
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  Speaker 2: We had a cold open with a several new people
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  Speaker 2: and then quickly guess appearance and out, including Isaac has
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  Speaker 2: been introduced, and we see Feder driving and this one
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  Speaker 2: dude very like military esque type of thing where he's
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  Speaker 2: bragging about all the people they've killed and who they've done,
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  Speaker 2: like it's really crass moment essentially, and one of the
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  Speaker 2: newbies he's trying to pretend like he's fitting in. He nods,
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  Speaker 2: and then he's like, what's happening? What's happening? And in
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  Speaker 2: which at one point the violent story is about the voters,
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  Speaker 2: and the newbie asks why do you call them voters?
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  Speaker 2: And then they never they don't actually know, in which
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  Speaker 2: we see Isaac, who is a pivotal character BT dubs
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  Speaker 2: I'm sorry and taking your job. I gonna stop Uh
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  Speaker 2: says they vote, call them voters because they didn't have
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  Speaker 2: any rights, and they thought it was hilarious to mock them, essentially,
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  Speaker 2: and he was very deadpan, very happy about the situation. Whoops.
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  Speaker 2: As they come into a territory, they realize they have
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  Speaker 2: come into what they would assume is wolf territory, and
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  Speaker 2: they've been talking about the wolves for a minute, and
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  Speaker 2: at this point they're already getting getting together to shoot
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  Speaker 2: have a shootdown of massacre essentially. But Isaac like, no, no, no,
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  Speaker 2: let me handle this, let me handle this. Let me
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  Speaker 2: go out here. And he gets out and then he
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  Speaker 2: turns back and he's like, Nuby, come with me. I'm
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  Speaker 2: going to teach you something, and they're like okay. So
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  Speaker 2: he walks out, and as they walk out, he actually
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  Speaker 2: introduces themselves. Is Isaac too, Hannahan, And she says, are
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  Speaker 2: you Isaac? And they have a moment and he's like okay,
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  Speaker 2: and turns back around, goes back to the federal truck,
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  Speaker 2: takes out some uh grenades, throws the MENSA men and
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  Speaker 2: kills Federra. They're gone, including the guests of parents from
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  Speaker 2: that guy from Nickelodeon, Josh Peck Josh Peck, thank you.
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  Speaker 2: I'm so sorry all that was out of my generation.
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  Speaker 2: But yes, and that's the end of Josh Peck and
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  Speaker 2: oh my goodness. He turns around. Isaac turns to the
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  Speaker 2: Nubie and says, you have a choice, obviously, and they
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  Speaker 2: have become a part of Wolfe. It ends right there.
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  Speaker 2: Cut back. It's because we have a very sweet scene
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  Speaker 2: where they put up shimmer. They're like, we gotta have
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  Speaker 2: high hide somewhere. We gotta go somewhere. It's gonna rain,
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  Speaker 2: I think, or it's gonna get Darkledly just need a
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  Speaker 2: camp s.
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  Speaker 1: They just need to wait till it gets dark.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, So they go and put and they find a
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  Speaker 2: record store. Dinas found the perfect space, she says. And
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  Speaker 2: they found a music store. Essentially it brings shimmer in
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  Speaker 2: through the giant door doors and everybody. They all go
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  Speaker 2: through and look at different albums. We have Dina playing
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  Speaker 2: on the drums and Ellie decides to explore upstairs and
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  Speaker 2: she found she's found all the guitars, looks about and
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  Speaker 2: then she found one that was still in okay condition,
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  Speaker 2: tunes it up starts playing. Dina follows as she hears
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  Speaker 2: the music and she watches and she's like, wait you,
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  Speaker 2: Oh did you teachoo? She's like, yeah, a little bit.
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  Speaker 2: And then we have a very sweet scene of her
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  Speaker 2: saying take on me, her singing take on me, with
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  Speaker 2: Dina getting a little emotional and terary, and you like, wow,
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  Speaker 2: so he taught you that he did a good job,
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  Speaker 2: and have a sweet moment. Cut two. Then we have
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  Speaker 2: them going into the wolf place.
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  Speaker 1: Nope, Then you have Isaac torturing.
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  Speaker 2: Isaac torturing. That is correct. Oh, I think I wanted
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  Speaker 2: to forget the scene because it was awful. It was awful.
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  Speaker 2: We have Isaac talking about William's Sonoma and very very
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  Speaker 2: very fancy playing pants, which I would like some very
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  Speaker 2: very very fancy paint.
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  Speaker 1: I looked up how much they cost. Expensive. Yeah, they're
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  Speaker 1: very expensive.
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  Speaker 2: Uh, in which she was like, you know one of these.
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  Speaker 2: I just didn't know I would get it like this.
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  Speaker 2: And then you see it naked seraphied who is being
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  Speaker 2: tortured with two guards out in the front by the way,
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  Speaker 2: and one being old boy Nubi, which I know he
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  Speaker 2: has a name. Was his name? Oh?
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  Speaker 1: I don't know.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, he doesn't have a name yet. Okay, So we
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  Speaker 2: have Nuby. I'm calling him nubi Ino for now the
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  Speaker 2: guarding and he goes in, has this whole long speech,
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  Speaker 2: takes the pant and it burns them and he's like,
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  Speaker 2: he hold out your hand burned. And then they have
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  Speaker 2: this whole back and forth about who's gonna win and
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  Speaker 2: who's gonna lose, because they're just killing each other essentially,
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  Speaker 2: is what's going down. And at one point the seraphie says,
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  Speaker 2: you're gonna lose, and Isaac Scoffson is like, we've got weapons,
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  Speaker 2: we got all these things. You've got nothing, and she's
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  Speaker 2: like he's like yeah, but we have wolves coming to
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  Speaker 2: us every day and becoming one of us. None of
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  Speaker 2: our people leave, which is off, and but the cera
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  Speaker 2: fight is ready. He's like, yeah, go ahead, torture me.
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  Speaker 2: I'm not gonna tell you. And at this point Isaac
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  Speaker 2: gives up and shoots them. We go to the scene
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  Speaker 2: where the guards are again with old Boy, who is
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  Speaker 2: now cynical, and he's like, good, he deserves it, and
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  Speaker 2: the other dudes like, we really freaked out. He's like,
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  Speaker 2: this is a little too much. This is a little
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  Speaker 2: too much. Now cut two, Now cut two, Ellie and
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  Speaker 2: Dina climb through the window, going trying to figure out
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  Speaker 2: what's out and instead of finding a live wolves, they
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  Speaker 2: found some dead wolves. I mean they are hung up
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  Speaker 2: and their testines are all hanging out, and they disgusting
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  Speaker 2: and all of them are like what the To the
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  Speaker 2: point Dna is like, what the f is wrong with
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  Speaker 2: Seattle because Ellie's like, they're killing each other. They did
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  Speaker 2: this to each other. Those people in the woods who
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  Speaker 2: are massacred are killing these people like this, Like, my god,
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  Speaker 2: they really are. Oh. However, it's during this time and
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  Speaker 2: they found a radio that they figure out the wolves
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  Speaker 2: are coming in, which they all hide. They decided to hide,
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  Speaker 2: trying to get away, but no, the wolves come in.
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  Speaker 2: We have to find these people and we have to
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  Speaker 2: kill them, so they do a whole search. We have
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  Speaker 2: a lot of anxiety at this point because Ellie and
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  Speaker 2: Dina are trying not to be seen. I'm like, that
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  Speaker 2: would have immediately been seen. How are you gonna go
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  Speaker 2: up those stairs? Whatever? But we have that moment in
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  Speaker 2: which Ellie does get discovered and Ellie tries to fight
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  Speaker 2: him and she's doing a good job, like he's twice
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  Speaker 2: three times in size. However, another soldier comes up. Another
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  Speaker 2: wolves comes up, in which Dina shoots him that apparently
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  Speaker 2: obviously alerts everybody, and Ellie slashes the other guy in
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  Speaker 2: the road, and they run through a very small hole,
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  Speaker 2: very very small, small, really tight hole in which they
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  Speaker 2: go down, I believe, to the train station somehow that
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  Speaker 2: goes into what used to be subways. They hide there,
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  Speaker 2: but all the wolves come on the other side because
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  Speaker 2: they know this area very well. Obviously this is the territory, duh.
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  Speaker 2: So they come in trying to find They set off
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  Speaker 2: flares looking for the two of them, trying to figure
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  Speaker 2: out who they were. Uh, we hear that noise?
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  Speaker 1: Is that a good one?
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  Speaker 2: No, that's my clicker, a bad noise anyway, But we
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  Speaker 2: have a Dina counting down and it goes from one
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  Speaker 2: to two to three to four to five to oh god,
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  Speaker 2: we're and yes, we hear them, and they hear them
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  Speaker 2: attacking the soldiers at this point, but you know, enemy
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  Speaker 2: of my enemy is great. And then at this point
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  Speaker 2: that's when they are like, oh, we gotta go, we
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  Speaker 2: gotta go. So they jump trying to run away from them,
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  Speaker 2: and this is a really intense scene. They go into
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  Speaker 2: the train but they realize as they're going into the
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  Speaker 2: train that the infected are trying to get in and
• 10:39
  Speaker 2: they're like crashing through the windows and it's about to break.
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  Speaker 2: So they're running through. Uh, Dina and Ellie, they're going
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  Speaker 2: They get through one door, but then they a giant
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  Speaker 2: clicker or is it a blowter, it's a clicker right somewhere,
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  Speaker 2: your click clicker, Yeah, trying to get through and then
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  Speaker 2: they see more coming in and oh no, they do
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  Speaker 2: break through, so they have to run out and they
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  Speaker 2: make it out, and then they go all the way
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  Speaker 2: up to the turnstile, but the turnstile's too rusty, so
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  Speaker 2: the Ellie's pushing and pushing and pushing and Dina's coming
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  Speaker 2: behind her, but oh no, here comes one of the
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  Speaker 2: infected and they got they're going after and Dina is
• 11:13
  Speaker 2: almost bitten until Ellie intervenes and takes the bite for Dina,
• 11:18
  Speaker 2: which doesn't go well. And they finally make it through
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  Speaker 2: the turnstile and Dina is very wary watching and they
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  Speaker 2: make it back to the theater, which they have now
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  Speaker 2: moved to the theater, and at that point Dina is
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  Speaker 2: very very unhappy. She is watching. She is pointing guns
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  Speaker 2: we are not good. Ellie's trying to explain to her
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  Speaker 2: what's going down. You're like, look, just let me sleep
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  Speaker 2: and you'll see, you'll see that nothing happens. Just give
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  Speaker 2: me a minute, and if you don't, if I do change,
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  Speaker 2: just shoot me. Just put your gun at me and
• 11:50
  Speaker 2: shoot me. At that point, somehow Ellie falls asleep. I'm like,
• 11:54
  Speaker 2: what the hell even I couldn't do that, and I'm
• 11:56
  Speaker 2: a sleepy A drip of water wets her up. He's like, no, no, no,
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  Speaker 2: I'm not twitching. I'm not turning. I'm still okay, And
• 12:04
  Speaker 2: Sodina's sitting there staring and staring, and then they have
• 12:07
  Speaker 2: a moment and then Dina goes, I'm pregnant, and then
• 12:13
  Speaker 2: that becomes some good lesbian loving. Yeah, turns into some
• 12:18
  Speaker 2: good old lesbian loving, which, by the way, we thought
• 12:20
  Speaker 2: was gonna be way earlier. But hey, I was like, okay,
• 12:23
  Speaker 2: look at that, all right, And then they had this
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  Speaker 2: sweet moment the next morning where they talk about what's
• 12:29
  Speaker 2: happening and how they're going to handle things, and Dina
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  Speaker 2: talks about her own sexuality and trying to figure that out.
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  Speaker 2: And by the way, when they were traveling through Seattle,
• 12:36
  Speaker 2: all of these like pride things were about like still existing,
• 12:41
  Speaker 2: and she was like, they were like maybe they're just
• 12:43
  Speaker 2: optimists because they didn't know what that was, which was
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  Speaker 2: really funny to me. But they are talking about the future.
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  Speaker 2: They're talking about being one big, happy family. Ellie says,
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  Speaker 2: I'm gonna be a dad, really good. So then they
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  Speaker 2: have a moment and then they talk about all the secrets.
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  Speaker 2: So they just lay out everything's going down, and yeah,
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  Speaker 2: they are now a couple. They're cute, helting hands, kissing,
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  Speaker 2: all those things. They finally and then as they progress,
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  Speaker 2: they hear a boom and they look out and they realize, oh,
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  Speaker 2: there's a lot of wolves. And then they got the
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  Speaker 2: walkie talkie and that's when Ellie goes, you know, you
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  Speaker 2: don't have to come with me, you can leave. I
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  Speaker 2: understand this is not your fight, and Dina takes her
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  Speaker 2: hand and she's like, I'm with you all the way.
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  Speaker 2: End scene. Man, that was a lot of mix ups,
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  Speaker 2: but yes, there you go.
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  Speaker 1: Well, actually, I am here to clarify something because I
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  Speaker 1: feel like there's a lot of moving pieces in this.
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  Speaker 1: I will say one thing of Nope, this is a
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  Speaker 1: it's a key function in the game. But they heard
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  Speaker 1: the name Nora on the hockey and they know Nora
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  Speaker 1: knows Abby, so they think, okay, this she'll know where
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  Speaker 1: Abby is. But also I think one of the key
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  Speaker 1: differences between Dina and the game and Dina in the
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  Speaker 1: show is that Dina in the show is just she
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  Speaker 1: wants revenge just as badly. She didn't end the game.
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  Speaker 1: She was like, I will support you no matter what.
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  Speaker 1: But she wasn't in the game.
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  Speaker 2: She wasn't present for she was present for Joelsa. Neither
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  Speaker 2: were they that close.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, they weren't the like in the show. Yeah exactly,
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  Speaker 1: they like she liked him, but they weren't close like that.
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  Speaker 1: And so I feel like this is a much more
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  Speaker 1: in some ways. I like this where she's kind of
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  Speaker 1: being she's got I feel like more agency, where she's like, no,
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  Speaker 1: I want this. But that that is one of the
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  Speaker 1: huge differences, and I don't know how we'll see how
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  Speaker 1: it plays out in their characters. That being said, Okay,
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  Speaker 1: so just a quick breakdown. So FEDRA is the government
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  Speaker 1: agency that came out after this pandemic, and they were
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  Speaker 1: very militant and in a lot of places they became
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  Speaker 1: very fascist. It's just what we saw in Seattle. They
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  Speaker 1: didn't happen like that in every place. And in season
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  Speaker 1: one we saw Ellie being out a Federa facility and
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  Speaker 1: being told, like you could get here are the opportunities
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  Speaker 1: you have, and it didn't feel as fascist as the
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  Speaker 1: one in Seattle clearly was. So that opening scene was Isaac.
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  Speaker 1: That was in twenty eighteen. So they actually did incorporate
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  Speaker 1: a lot of Seattle's history into this, and I watched
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  Speaker 1: a great video about it. Learned a lot. But Seattle
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  Speaker 1: is kind of famously an anti fascist city. So then
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  Speaker 1: you get Isaac, who's very disenchanted, very feels betrayed by Fedra,
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  Speaker 1: joining the Wolves, who are this group looking to overturn Fedra.
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  Speaker 1: Now when you jump head and see Isaac later, it's
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  Speaker 1: clear he's become the thing that he hates. But more
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  Speaker 1: on that later. The Seraphytes are a religious group that
• 16:13
  Speaker 1: also lives in the Seattle area, and we're going to
• 16:17
  Speaker 1: learn a lot more about them. But so those are
• 16:20
  Speaker 1: kind of our moving groups, and they're not monolists, because
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  Speaker 1: not everybody in feder thought that way. Not everybody in
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  Speaker 1: the Wolves thinks the way Isaac does. Not everybody in
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  Speaker 1: Terrifys thinks the way the leadership in serifies does. So, Okay,
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  Speaker 1: here we go. This episode is called Day one, and
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  Speaker 1: I love this because this is how the game is
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  Speaker 1: laid out. The game is laid out by It has
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  Speaker 1: the opening scene pretty much Joel's death, and then it
• 17:04
  Speaker 1: starts where you get to Seattle and it says Seattle
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  Speaker 1: Day one at the bottom, and then it goes Seattle
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  Speaker 1: Day to Seattle Day three, et cetera. And that's different
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  Speaker 1: from the first game where it was by season. Then
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  Speaker 1: they have a fun twist which we won't get into
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  Speaker 1: right now, and then you get to the end, which
• 17:21
  Speaker 1: is a separate kind of bookend that's similar to Joel's
• 17:26
  Speaker 1: whole thing, not the death. I don't want to that
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  Speaker 1: makes it sound I'm just saying it's it's kind of
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  Speaker 1: separated from that layout. So that was really cool. And
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  Speaker 1: a lot a lot happens in these days. Usually each
• 17:41
  Speaker 1: day starts with and ends with a flashback, which is
• 17:45
  Speaker 1: why I'm very shocked there have been no flashbacks yet.
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  Speaker 1: They are really like, Nope, Joel is God, move on? Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I think, I mean, I think there will be unless
• 17:56
  Speaker 1: they're gas lighting is, which is possible because it we've
• 17:59
  Speaker 1: seen footage of them. But yeah, normally in the game
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  Speaker 1: we would have gotten at least two or three by now.
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  Speaker 1: So when you first get to Seattle, it's pretty quiet
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  Speaker 1: like it is for them in the show. So when
• 18:18
  Speaker 1: they're going through Capitol Hill, which we have two, it's
• 18:24
  Speaker 1: very quiet. You do find the tank of bodies that
• 18:27
  Speaker 1: Ellie finds. You do find actually the truck that Isaac
• 18:32
  Speaker 1: did that through the grenades. In Isaac is not in
• 18:35
  Speaker 1: the game as much as he is in the show.
• 18:37
  Speaker 1: His presence is everywhere. You like read notes and you
• 18:41
  Speaker 1: hear about him, but he's not in the game as
• 18:43
  Speaker 1: much as he's going to be in the show, I think.
• 18:46
  Speaker 1: But anyway, this does bring us to the Valiant Record Store,
• 18:52
  Speaker 1: which is a totally missible scene, and the first time
• 18:58
  Speaker 1: I played it, I missed it. Everybody's like, it was
• 19:00
  Speaker 1: so nice to have this one beautiful seed in such
• 19:04
  Speaker 1: a dark game, and I was like, what.
• 19:07
  Speaker 2: Where is it?
• 19:09
  Speaker 1: It's an optional scene. You have to go up the
• 19:13
  Speaker 1: stairs in this record store. You don't have to go
• 19:16
  Speaker 1: into find the guitar and start playing it and then
• 19:20
  Speaker 1: Dino will come in. But it was so beautiful and
• 19:24
  Speaker 1: I've read a lot of great reactions to it. Belle
• 19:27
  Speaker 1: Ramsey can play the guitar, so that was Belle Ramsey
• 19:31
  Speaker 1: doing that whole thing. And it is a throwback to Riley.
• 19:34
  Speaker 1: If you remember from the first season, we said in
• 19:38
  Speaker 1: episode seven when they're flashing back to Ellie and Riley,
• 19:42
  Speaker 1: Riley being Ellie's first crush, the person she kissed first
• 19:46
  Speaker 1: and then the person she got infected with they take
• 19:50
  Speaker 1: on me was playing, so gives that song extra meaning.
• 19:55
  Speaker 1: I also read a really interesting essay about you know,
• 20:00
  Speaker 1: they didn't grow up with music of their own. There
• 20:02
  Speaker 1: is a conversation like that in the game where there
• 20:04
  Speaker 1: is anything new ever gonna be made, like any new
• 20:07
  Speaker 1: movies or any new music or any and Ellie says,
• 20:10
  Speaker 1: you know, I want to I've written my own stuff.
• 20:14
  Speaker 1: So I think that's one of the reasons it was
• 20:16
  Speaker 1: so emotional, like you can't go to live shows anymore.
• 20:21
  Speaker 1: And also the music being a connection to Joel, who
• 20:25
  Speaker 1: taught Ellie how to play, and that is such it's
• 20:31
  Speaker 1: throughout the game, the importance of music and Joel and
• 20:37
  Speaker 1: the relationship there. I also recommend if you're into music,
• 20:41
  Speaker 1: there are a million Easter eggs in that scene. I
• 20:44
  Speaker 1: found a good video that was just like just in
• 20:46
  Speaker 1: the scene, look at this, look at this, look at this.
• 20:48
  Speaker 1: But it was really really sweet. That's a really sweet scene.
• 20:52
  Speaker 1: It was really that's how it looks in the game,
• 20:54
  Speaker 1: the way it's lit and the like green, the greenery
• 20:57
  Speaker 1: and the flowers, and me and my friends we're singing
• 21:00
  Speaker 1: the song.
• 21:02
  Speaker 2: I have pictures.
• 21:03
  Speaker 1: Actually we were singing it quietly. I hope not too
• 21:07
  Speaker 1: annoying me. But yeah, that is a beautiful scene that
• 21:14
  Speaker 1: because it became a fan favorite, so even though it
• 21:18
  Speaker 1: was missible, they put it in. And by this point, yeah,
• 21:21
  Speaker 1: Dina and Ellie were in a relationship in the game,
• 21:24
  Speaker 1: but this was a turning point for Tina in the
• 21:26
  Speaker 1: show where she was like, oh yeah, I'm really into her.
• 21:34
  Speaker 1: More on that later, but yes, this is also we're
• 21:36
  Speaker 1: getting more of the saraphyts V Wolves thing. Through a
• 21:42
  Speaker 1: couple of comments. We have learned that it's been going
• 21:45
  Speaker 1: on for years, a long time. They talk about a
• 21:49
  Speaker 1: truce that has been repeatedly broken. We do see a
• 21:53
  Speaker 1: couple things that will be explained more so, we had
• 21:56
  Speaker 1: the symbol previously of the SARAHP. Fhights and now we
• 22:01
  Speaker 1: have the saying feel her love and the bodies hanging
• 22:05
  Speaker 1: with intestines coming out. So I'm sure we'll learn more
• 22:09
  Speaker 1: about that. I won't go into it until later, but yes,
• 22:14
  Speaker 1: and then yeah, Fedra when we open on that scene
• 22:18
  Speaker 1: and we hear them really gross, like disgusting conversation that
• 22:23
  Speaker 1: they have and they're making fun of voters and yeah,
• 22:27
  Speaker 1: people who have lost their rights, handing out pamphlets who
• 22:30
  Speaker 1: were actually Seraphites by the way, they weren't wolves, Oh
• 22:33
  Speaker 1: really weren't. Yeah, because he says it was actually religious.
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: I didn't know. But them being going from this like
• 22:42
  Speaker 1: really fascist regime and then having these other groups come
• 22:45
  Speaker 1: in and pretty much destroy them. Like throughout the game
• 22:50
  Speaker 1: you find Feder facilities and they're just ransacked bodies everywhere.
• 22:57
  Speaker 1: So they, I mean, they were, especially in this case
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: in Seattle, they were not good. But you do see
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: with Isaac especially that whole kind of noble intentions gone wrong,
• 23:11
  Speaker 1: because you can tell he believes he's going to make
• 23:16
  Speaker 1: things better, but he is just like what Feder was
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: when he was so angry. He has become that and
• 23:29
  Speaker 1: to him, the Seraphyites are now the threat to his
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: power and he just can't have that. And this is
• 23:36
  Speaker 1: why I'm kind of interested in when in the second
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: episode when Abby's giving her speech and she says, you know,
• 23:45
  Speaker 1: he Isaac taught us that we have a code you
• 23:48
  Speaker 1: don't hurt defenseless people, and I'm like, oh, I'm so now.
• 23:52
  Speaker 1: I'm like, Okay, do you not know about this, which
• 23:55
  Speaker 1: is possible or has it changed because time has passed.
• 23:59
  Speaker 1: I don't know, oh, or maybe she's lying to herself.
• 24:03
  Speaker 1: We will see, we will see. But that was very
• 24:06
  Speaker 1: interesting to be It was like, oh, no, no, no, no,
• 24:08
  Speaker 1: it's no good, it's no good. But also the actor
• 24:14
  Speaker 1: Jeffrey Wright, he was He provided the motion capture and
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: voice for this character in the second game, which I
• 24:21
  Speaker 1: think is really cool. We had that for Marlene's character
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: in the first one, and now we have Jeffrey right
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: for this one.
• 24:29
  Speaker 2: Uh.
• 24:30
  Speaker 1: And he is just a very he's a very unsettling
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: character because he feels so like he's just talking about,
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: you know, how he was trying to impress women by
• 24:44
  Speaker 1: learning how to cook and going into William's snowball, which,
• 24:48
  Speaker 1: by the way, how do we think they feel about
• 24:50
  Speaker 1: this whole thing?
• 24:52
  Speaker 2: Do they have to get permission for that.
• 24:54
  Speaker 1: Usually you do.
• 24:58
  Speaker 2: They got fancy pants.
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: Like he has that vibe of someone you just can't
• 25:06
  Speaker 1: He feels really logical, but in a way that feels unpredictable,
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: which is strange. But I think, you know, that's one
• 25:14
  Speaker 1: of the reasons he killed the person who was torturing,
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: because he realized that he's not going to give anything
• 25:21
  Speaker 1: else up. This is just a waste of time. It
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: was a very logical decision in his mind, I think,
• 25:26
  Speaker 1: But it was also very That whole thing was very dehumanizing,
• 25:29
  Speaker 1: which is supposed to be. But when you look at
• 25:32
  Speaker 1: the new recruit, it's really sad because in the beginning
• 25:34
  Speaker 1: he was sort of like bright and you know, why
• 25:39
  Speaker 1: do you call them voters and probably would have gotten
• 25:41
  Speaker 1: brainwashed in Fedro as well, But now you see it
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: with wolves, and it's just he looks so much like
• 25:48
  Speaker 1: a shell. It's just sad. And there were a couple
• 25:52
  Speaker 1: of other things about this. This is a very you know,
• 25:56
  Speaker 1: I feel like Isaac is leaning into the very z
• 25:59
  Speaker 1: or the thing that's gonna come up a lot. But
• 26:03
  Speaker 1: he says at the beginning, before he murders everybody in
• 26:07
  Speaker 1: the truck, protocols to obey your commanding officer, period the end,
• 26:12
  Speaker 1: and that's something that he's gonna That was part of
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: his whole thing, all right. So jumping to completely different topic,
• 26:23
  Speaker 1: Dina is pregnant. Yeah, we weren't sure they were gonna
• 26:27
  Speaker 1: do it, but then she threw up and we all
• 26:29
  Speaker 1: were like, yep, she's pregnant. Which I remember somebody a
• 26:37
  Speaker 1: listener wrote it and was like, you should do you
• 26:40
  Speaker 1: all should do an episode on the use of pregnancies
• 26:42
  Speaker 1: or like throwing up and pregnancy is a type of
• 26:46
  Speaker 1: why can't we a woman just throw up? Why is
• 26:48
  Speaker 1: it always like, oh, she's right, But in this case,
• 26:53
  Speaker 1: we happen to know she probably was. I did find
• 26:57
  Speaker 1: I found it interesting that they had that scene at
• 26:59
  Speaker 1: the farm receive because we talked about in the first
• 27:02
  Speaker 1: season where it was surprisingly not even shocking, but just
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: like oh, where they included the Diva cup and in
• 27:10
  Speaker 1: here they had the they had like the yeast infection tests.
• 27:18
  Speaker 2: I imagine they can't bathe as much as such, so
• 27:22
  Speaker 2: I think.
• 27:22
  Speaker 1: Tina took it. I feel like I would. And also
• 27:27
  Speaker 1: somebody did the slew thing and found out they use
• 27:31
  Speaker 1: the right label for because two thousand and three is
• 27:34
  Speaker 1: when the world ended in this game, and they were like, no,
• 27:38
  Speaker 1: that's Monsters two thousand and three. That's correct, thank you. Yeah,
• 27:48
  Speaker 1: that's what's according to them. I don't know. I okay.
• 27:52
  Speaker 1: So this is actually a pretty big shift though, and
• 27:55
  Speaker 1: from the game and the show and the show it's
• 28:00
  Speaker 1: a very like, I don't know it is it is.
• 28:05
  Speaker 1: It's happy. Ellie's like, I'm going to be a dad.
• 28:09
  Speaker 1: I'm envisioning this future, Jesse's gonna be involved. Like it's
• 28:14
  Speaker 1: a very happy relevation in the game, it is not
• 28:20
  Speaker 1: at all. They get back, they get to the Theater,
• 28:23
  Speaker 1: which is their home base by the way from here
• 28:27
  Speaker 1: and Now, and that's when Ellie reveals she's got the immunity.
• 28:32
  Speaker 1: They go through that whole thing, and then Dina says,
• 28:34
  Speaker 1: I'm pregnant. Don't worry, it's not yours.
• 28:37
  Speaker 2: Ha ha ha ha.
• 28:39
  Speaker 1: And then Ellie gets really angry and is like, why
• 28:42
  Speaker 1: didn't you say anything? When did you suspect? And Dina says, well,
• 28:46
  Speaker 1: I wasn't sure and I didn't want to be a burden.
• 28:49
  Speaker 1: And Ellie says, well you have burden now, aren't you.
• 28:52
  Speaker 1: And then they separate and go to bit angry as.
• 28:56
  Speaker 2: We say why you gotta do or like that tell
• 29:00
  Speaker 2: the peoples.
• 29:04
  Speaker 1: Well, I mean no, it's interesting because that was a
• 29:07
  Speaker 1: huge shift. That's very different. I have my suspicions as
• 29:14
  Speaker 1: to why they did that, but I was surprised at that.
• 29:18
  Speaker 1: I was nice, I was like, oh this is okay,
• 29:23
  Speaker 1: this is a pleasant turn. But that was a big difference.
• 29:27
  Speaker 1: And then yes, the whole Dina and Ellie relationship kind
• 29:32
  Speaker 1: of came about differently. I did want to include in
• 29:34
  Speaker 1: here again. I found another article. Capitol Hill in Seattle
• 29:42
  Speaker 1: is a place of like a lot of gay history.
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: It's a very important gay space throughout history, and it
• 29:52
  Speaker 1: has a lot of pride sympoles. We went to visit them. Yes,
• 29:58
  Speaker 1: there was a neo no plot about bombing the area
• 30:03
  Speaker 1: because of this at one point, and some people have
• 30:06
  Speaker 1: said that's why. Dina says, I thought it was supposed
• 30:09
  Speaker 1: to be bombed, and Ellie says, I guess not. I'm
• 30:12
  Speaker 1: not sure if that's true. But anyway, so when the
• 30:17
  Speaker 1: pandemic would have been happening at this time, it was
• 30:21
  Speaker 1: George W. Bush was about to be re elected in
• 30:24
  Speaker 1: two thousand and three, and he ran on a whole
• 30:27
  Speaker 1: thing of preventing gay marriage. It was this huge that
• 30:31
  Speaker 1: was a huge push. So it makes sense that in
• 30:34
  Speaker 1: all of that time that's passed since then, they wouldn't
• 30:36
  Speaker 1: recognize like the Pride symbols, they wouldn't know what that was.
• 30:43
  Speaker 1: I also do love that they made clear that Dina
• 30:47
  Speaker 1: is bisexual, because there's so much birature. We know, we've
• 30:53
  Speaker 1: talked about that, so I really like that they went
• 30:55
  Speaker 1: out of their way to be like, no, I like boys,
• 30:58
  Speaker 1: I like girls, and kind of talking about that homophobia
• 31:02
  Speaker 1: of her mom telling her, no, you just like boys,
• 31:05
  Speaker 1: and Ellie's saying, so you were scared, saying in a
• 31:08
  Speaker 1: very understanding way, not accusatory way, and uh not all
• 31:14
  Speaker 1: almost gonna be brave like you, And Ellie says, I'm
• 31:16
  Speaker 1: not brave, I'm obvious, which I think is very I
• 31:20
  Speaker 1: think that's correct. But I also like that too, because
• 31:24
  Speaker 1: sometimes that can feel like, you know, when someone's like,
• 31:26
  Speaker 1: you're so brave, like, I'm just being myself. I don't know, right,
• 31:29
  Speaker 1: I'm just existing. Thanks, Yeah, but I do so. I
• 31:32
  Speaker 1: liked how that was handled. And they are very cute.
• 31:36
  Speaker 1: They're very they're very cute. Again, they're messing with my
• 31:49
  Speaker 1: head with these titles. This title was ariginally Secrets, and
• 31:53
  Speaker 1: they both have secrets. So Ellie having to hide the infection,
• 32:00
  Speaker 1: Dina feeling like she had to hide her bisexuality, and
• 32:04
  Speaker 1: Ellie has this flying little things. Little things are little
• 32:06
  Speaker 1: until you start to until you start to hide behind them,
• 32:09
  Speaker 1: and they become big things. So I think that's I
• 32:14
  Speaker 1: think that's an interesting parallel between them, of the feeling
• 32:18
  Speaker 1: like you have to hide this really important part of yourself,
• 32:21
  Speaker 1: Ellie saying like she burned her original bite because she
• 32:25
  Speaker 1: wanted to wear short sleeves again. But yeah, them talking
• 32:29
  Speaker 1: about this life together and having Jesse evolved. I was like, oh,
• 32:33
  Speaker 1: I'm all for it. I love this.
• 32:37
  Speaker 2: I do.
• 32:40
  Speaker 1: Honestly. I love I've been reading so many articles where
• 32:43
  Speaker 1: they're like, this character is more likable now, and I
• 32:45
  Speaker 1: liked them before. So I always have loved Jesse, I
• 32:48
  Speaker 1: liked Dina. I love like it's just like, yeah, there's
• 32:53
  Speaker 1: no I like this in this love triangle that there's
• 32:55
  Speaker 1: not really a villain, right. I like that. It's nice.
• 33:02
  Speaker 1: But yes, Ellie's secret is out with the immunity. It
• 33:05
  Speaker 1: comes out differently in the game because in the game,
• 33:07
  Speaker 1: they have scores, which more on that in a second.
• 33:10
  Speaker 1: But her gas mask gets broken and Dina's trying to like,
• 33:15
  Speaker 1: we can share a gas mask and Ellie's like, no,
• 33:17
  Speaker 1: I'm immune. But in this she gets a bite again.
• 33:21
  Speaker 1: She says, you know, I would, I would sacrifice my
• 33:25
  Speaker 1: life for you. But that's not what just happened. I'm
• 33:27
  Speaker 1: actually immune. A lot of times I wish this wasn't true.
• 33:30
  Speaker 1: I'm going to wake up exactly as I am right now.
• 33:33
  Speaker 1: Me of note, in the game, I don't know what
• 33:37
  Speaker 1: they're going to do in the show. But of note,
• 33:39
  Speaker 1: in the game, Ellie can't infect anyone or give anyone
• 33:43
  Speaker 1: immunity without perhaps that vaccine that you know got destroyed,
• 33:48
  Speaker 1: but otherwise she can't do it. She did try to
• 33:50
  Speaker 1: do it and season one, yeah, yeah, but yeah, I would.
• 33:58
  Speaker 1: I would fail that not shaking tests that she did
• 34:02
  Speaker 1: any day, like any day of the week where she
• 34:04
  Speaker 1: wakes up and she's like, I'm not affected. See I'm
• 34:05
  Speaker 1: not shaking. I'm like, no, I fail. And yeah, Also
• 34:09
  Speaker 1: kudos to Ellie for being able to sleep like that.
• 34:12
  Speaker 1: I was like, what go pointed at her, like I'm
• 34:16
  Speaker 1: a sleep man, But I guess in the world they
• 34:19
  Speaker 1: live in. You gotta sleep when they can you adapt,
• 34:22
  Speaker 1: you adapt. Okay, So yeah, that brings us to the
• 34:28
  Speaker 1: end of kind of the main plot points. I do
• 34:31
  Speaker 1: think we'll see next episode is going to be interesting,
• 34:38
  Speaker 1: but they got a lot of ground to cover. So
• 34:41
  Speaker 1: here are my random thoughts. First of all, I did
• 34:45
  Speaker 1: not pick up on I should have the graveyard parallel
• 34:50
  Speaker 1: of with Abby and the fireflies and then Joel and
• 34:57
  Speaker 1: everybody who died in Jackson, but it's a very similar
• 35:01
  Speaker 1: scene and it's framed very similarly. And then something else
• 35:08
  Speaker 1: I read and I thought this was true because I
• 35:11
  Speaker 1: hadn't really pinpointed it, but I have felt it is
• 35:14
  Speaker 1: that killing in the show is very different than killing
• 35:16
  Speaker 1: in the game, especially a human person, because in the
• 35:20
  Speaker 1: game it's kind of it's a game. So even if
• 35:24
  Speaker 1: you're made to feel miserable for it later, which you are,
• 35:29
  Speaker 1: it kills are much less They occur much less in
• 35:34
  Speaker 1: the show. So when Ellie like stabs that guy in
• 35:37
  Speaker 1: the neck and Dina shoots that person in the head,
• 35:41
  Speaker 1: it does feel more shocking than it would in the game.
• 35:45
  Speaker 1: But that being said, the second game did go out
• 35:47
  Speaker 1: of its way to make you feel bad because they
• 35:49
  Speaker 1: introduce names, so you would kill someone and then someone
• 35:54
  Speaker 1: would shout out like Mary no, like right yeah yes?
• 36:05
  Speaker 1: Oh oh man. Another thing I I can't give too
• 36:12
  Speaker 1: much away about this, but there is a flashback that
• 36:15
  Speaker 1: better happened because they keep hitting at it. But that
• 36:18
  Speaker 1: involves a hat, and you can see the hat in
• 36:23
  Speaker 1: Ellie's room, so that is very exciting. It's a Jurassic
• 36:30
  Speaker 1: Park looking at if you want to look for it. Yes.
• 36:35
  Speaker 1: So going off of that, shout out to the prop
• 36:38
  Speaker 1: steam and set design on all of this. They really
• 36:43
  Speaker 1: have made just so many Like people said, they had
• 36:49
  Speaker 1: the monastatic backating right, the Valiant music shop, that's just
• 36:55
  Speaker 1: how it looks like in the game. The theater, which
• 36:57
  Speaker 1: I am going to assume almost ninety nine point nine
• 37:01
  Speaker 1: is not the actual theater in Seattle, it looks very similar,
• 37:07
  Speaker 1: So that is that is really cool. And the whole
• 37:09
  Speaker 1: scene where they're in the subway and the red light
• 37:14
  Speaker 1: and the flares, that's very much like the game. Oh
• 37:18
  Speaker 1: and the the weather station. It's a weather station. It
• 37:22
  Speaker 1: does look like that. A couple of game mechanics that
• 37:26
  Speaker 1: they kind of put in there. So one is when
• 37:29
  Speaker 1: Dina's counting the clickers she closes their eyes is counting.
• 37:33
  Speaker 1: That is like a listening mode in the game where
• 37:36
  Speaker 1: you kind of duck and you close your eyes and
• 37:38
  Speaker 1: you can listen. You can hear better, So that was cool.
• 37:43
  Speaker 1: They do crawl through a lot of tunnels in the game.
• 37:46
  Speaker 1: That is a mechanic and it can be very scary
• 37:49
  Speaker 1: because sometimes I'd be a clicker in there with you
• 37:52
  Speaker 1: and it's not great. I don't like it. I also
• 37:58
  Speaker 1: have talked I've talked to people of this before. But
• 38:01
  Speaker 1: a really good game. Unless some games this isn't what
• 38:05
  Speaker 1: their vibe is, but for for a game where they're
• 38:07
  Speaker 1: trying to kind of nudge you, like you need to
• 38:10
  Speaker 1: go this way, they have really good game development lighting
• 38:14
  Speaker 1: and this is a good example of that, where like
• 38:17
  Speaker 1: you know, there'll be a spotlight of something and you
• 38:19
  Speaker 1: need to go that way, or there's a red light
• 38:21
  Speaker 1: over here and you need to go that way, and
• 38:22
  Speaker 1: you might not even pick up on it consciously, but
• 38:26
  Speaker 1: that's that's what's happening. Another thing is during that subway scene,
• 38:32
  Speaker 1: you can pit the infected against humans, other humans that
• 38:36
  Speaker 1: you don't want to deal with. So like if the
• 38:39
  Speaker 1: wolf the wolves are coming for you throw the old
• 38:42
  Speaker 1: bottle over there and the clickers will run at them
• 38:45
  Speaker 1: and then you just sneak by. But sometimes they hear
• 38:48
  Speaker 1: you anyway, and then it goes horribly wrong, completely up
• 38:53
  Speaker 1: the wind. Yeah. Sometimes the map. Oh, anyone who's played
• 38:59
  Speaker 1: any survival game, you know you're always opening that map
• 39:02
  Speaker 1: like where the heck am I? And if you watched
• 39:09
  Speaker 1: the kind of What's coming next week, they did hint
• 39:14
  Speaker 1: at the spores. They're going to introduce the spores, which
• 39:19
  Speaker 1: is a way that you can get infected that they
• 39:21
  Speaker 1: have not done so far in the show. I also
• 39:27
  Speaker 1: have a suspicion of why it's getting introduced now. But
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  Speaker 1: they also are really teasing you about the rat King
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  Speaker 1: and I love it.
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  Speaker 2: I love it.
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  Speaker 1: But one thing I do love about this game is
• 39:42
  Speaker 1: that they really mess with the expectations of a game.
• 39:47
  Speaker 1: They love to with you. They really really do, and
• 39:51
  Speaker 1: I enjoy it. Not everybody does, but I really do.
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  Speaker 1: So they have a lot of things that you feel
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  Speaker 1: as a gamer. You know it must go this way
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  Speaker 1: and it does not go this way.
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  Speaker 2: And so.
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  Speaker 1: I know I've famously said many times on here, this
• 40:13
  Speaker 1: game usually makes me cry six or eight times I
• 40:17
  Speaker 1: don't think the show will because some of those times
• 40:20
  Speaker 1: are specifically because you are complicit as a gamer. So
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  Speaker 1: I don't know. We'll see, we'll see, but they love
• 40:31
  Speaker 1: to do that where you're like, oh no, I actually
• 40:33
  Speaker 1: don't make me and they're like, no, no, you said
• 40:38
  Speaker 1: you wanted revenge, didn't you.
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  Speaker 2: You gotta.
• 40:43
  Speaker 1: Also the storm and like weather is going to become
• 40:47
  Speaker 1: pretty big. It already has been, but I think that's
• 40:50
  Speaker 1: going to become a pretty big thing. And finally, yes,
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  Speaker 1: the cost of vengeance. Why don't you realize the stakes?
• 40:57
  Speaker 1: Do you still go? They see how much how many
• 41:01
  Speaker 1: wolves there are, they've got to go into that area,
• 41:08
  Speaker 1: and they apparently are like, yeah, let's do it, so
• 41:11
  Speaker 1: how far will you go? And they also Dina has
• 41:15
  Speaker 1: that comment like if we run into wolves that weren't
• 41:17
  Speaker 1: in Jackson, and Ellie's like, no, we kill them and
• 41:19
  Speaker 1: Dina's like, yeah, agreed, So how far will this go?
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  Speaker 1: We will see. All of that being said, I know
• 41:31
  Speaker 1: this is a lot, but once it all comes out,
• 41:35
  Speaker 1: I do think there's a real benefit of a rewatch
• 41:38
  Speaker 1: because there's so much when you're watching it and you're like,
• 41:40
  Speaker 1: I know what's coming that it adds an extra layer
• 41:46
  Speaker 1: where you're like, oh oh no, no, oh no, yeah,
• 41:54
  Speaker 1: yeah you tell me that, or you that I really
• 41:59
  Speaker 1: like but I know some people might not. But I
• 42:02
  Speaker 1: have a lot of people who told me they didn't
• 42:04
  Speaker 1: like this game the first time they played it. I said,
• 42:06
  Speaker 1: played again, and then they did because they think it
• 42:08
  Speaker 1: has such a kind of shocking. There's a lot of
• 42:11
  Speaker 1: shocks in it that when you're not expecting it, the
• 42:15
  Speaker 1: second time, you're like, oh, I get what this is.
• 42:17
  Speaker 1: I get what this is about. So just a note
• 42:21
  Speaker 1: on that, but yeah, very excited. Can't wait to see
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