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Michael James Walker · Destination Unlimited with Victor Fuhrman

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Speaker 1: My name is Victor Furman. Some call me the Voice.
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Speaker 1: I've always been fascinated with human nature, spirituality, science, and
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Speaker 1: the crossroads at which they meet. Join me now and
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Speaker 1: we will explore these topics and so much more with
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Speaker 1: fascinating guests, authors, and experts who will guide us to
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Speaker 1: Destination Unlimited. Ezekiel one fifteen Dash twenty one describes wheels
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Speaker 1: within wheels that were associated with living creatures. Was Ezekiel's
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Speaker 1: vision of the angelic realm or something else? Something extraterrestrial?
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Speaker 1: My guest this week on Destination Unlimited, Michael James Walker,
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Speaker 1: had an encounter when he was twelve that changed his
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Speaker 1: life and played future visions similar to Ezekiel's. Mike is
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Speaker 1: a UFO paranormal experiencer and has passionately been studying the
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Speaker 1: phenomenon since that first sighting. Michael had a brief appearance
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Speaker 1: on Travel Channel's UFO Witness and has been involved in
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Speaker 1: an upcoming documentary called Experiencer, as well as numerous guest
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Speaker 1: appearances on multiple paranormal radio podcast shows. He joins me
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Speaker 1: this week to share his path and contact experiences. Please
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Speaker 1: join me in welcoming to Destination Unlimited. Mike Walker.
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Speaker 2: Welcome, Mike, Hi Victor, thanks for having me, Thank you.
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Speaker 1: For joining us. And just so the audience knows, you
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Speaker 1: and I connected on Facebook and there was a question
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Speaker 1: about what type of craft would we like to see
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Speaker 1: if we had the experience of seeing the craft and
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Speaker 1: I put down Ezekiel's wheel and you responded, I actually
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Speaker 1: saw the eels. Yeah, and that started our connection. So
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Speaker 1: we're going to talk about that during the course of
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Speaker 1: this interview. So first, please share with us what happened
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Speaker 1: in nineteen eighty five when you were twelve that opened
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Speaker 1: your consciousness and your awareness of contact.
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Speaker 2: Okay, very well. Yeah. I was living in South Hayward, California,
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Speaker 2: right across the street from my original grandfather's home, where
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Speaker 2: we as a family had it for ourselves after he
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Speaker 2: passed away for a brief moment before we had to
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Speaker 2: end up selling it. But the family across the street
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Speaker 2: from us, the Lopez family, they pretty much took us
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Speaker 2: in and that's where I was living at the time.
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Speaker 2: So here I go. I stepped off the porch from
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Speaker 2: two eight oh six to three East eleventh Street. I
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Speaker 2: stepped off the porch. I just remember opening up the
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Speaker 2: metal screen door and walking out into the middle of
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Speaker 2: the street and I bumped into my friend Chanod Girardo.
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Speaker 2: It was just kind of random in retrospect, there there
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Speaker 2: wasn't much conversation that we had, but there was an
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Speaker 2: understanding that it was time to take a walk around
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Speaker 2: the block, and so that's what we what we did,
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Speaker 2: and it had just turned dark. I remember the sky
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Speaker 2: was really pretty I remember that the clouds were pretty
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Speaker 2: low that night, and they were they were lit up
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Speaker 2: pretty well from from from the moon. I understood that.
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Speaker 2: So as we started to make our walk around the block.
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Speaker 2: Before we even started headed towards our first turn, I
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Speaker 2: was taking focus to the sky because, like I said,
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Speaker 2: it was really pretty out and the clouds were pretty
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Speaker 2: low and andy. They appeared to be moving fast, but
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Speaker 2: I understood, uh that the reason why they were moving
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Speaker 2: so fast was because they were so low. I just
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Speaker 2: thought it was pretty neat. And then all of a sudden,
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Speaker 2: a portion of the clouds began to spiral, and I
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Speaker 2: had a couple of thoughts that ran through my mind
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Speaker 2: before I blacked out, And these thoughts were, are these
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Speaker 2: clouds really starting to swirl? Because it was a small,
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Speaker 2: calculated swirl, it wasn't like a natural phenomenon funnel or
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Speaker 2: anything like that. It was a clean, crisp, small little
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Speaker 2: spiral in the clouds. And these thoughts went through my
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Speaker 2: head before I blacked out. The first one was like,
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Speaker 2: I said, Wow, are those beginning to spiral? And then
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Speaker 2: my next thought was, oh, my god, it is spiraling fast.
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Speaker 2: Because it was a small little spiral that got bigger
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Speaker 2: and bigger, and it got faster and faster, real fast.
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Speaker 2: And I completely blacked out. And my next conscious moment, Victor,
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Speaker 2: I was no longer standing where I was. I was
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Speaker 2: about half a block further down the road, around that
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Speaker 2: corner that we never even made past, a little park,
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Speaker 2: and now I am standing directly below a UFO, a
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Speaker 2: flying disc, and I knew what it was right away.
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Speaker 2: I remember standing there like a soldier, with my arms
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Speaker 2: to my side and my head looking straight up. I
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Speaker 2: was looking at the belly of this craft. And as
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Speaker 2: I was looking at this belly of the craft, I
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Speaker 2: realized that I couldn't move, But at the time I
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Speaker 2: chalked it up to yeah, because I didn't want to
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Speaker 2: miss a moment. You know, I heard of these things before,
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Speaker 2: and from what I gather they don't last very long.
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Speaker 2: So I just thought that I was just putting on
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Speaker 2: an extra focus. And I've seen this blue light illuminating
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Speaker 2: underneath the craft, and it was like a sporadic flash
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Speaker 2: and it would flash all over the place, and as
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Speaker 2: it flashed, it would illuminate certain sections of the belly,
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Speaker 2: and from what I could see, I seen a lot
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Speaker 2: of electrical tubing. I describe it as a C three
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Speaker 2: po's stomach in Star Wars is the only thing that
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Speaker 2: I could possibly compare it to. It's just really integral.
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Speaker 2: And I remember thinking in my head, because I knew
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Speaker 2: what this was, I was thinking in my head, Wow,
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Speaker 2: if this isn't a UFO with advanced technology, why does
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Speaker 2: it seem to have some kind of electrical problem right now?
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Speaker 2: It looked like it was having some kind of issue
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Speaker 2: with this blue light that was just kind of zapping
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Speaker 2: all over the belly. It kind of it looked sloppy
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Speaker 2: to me. And as soon as I thought that, it
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Speaker 2: snapped out of whatever electrical funk that I was thinking
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Speaker 2: it was in and it put an all out multi colored,
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Speaker 2: beautiful light show. I'm talking lights from the perimeter of
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Speaker 2: the craft, multicolored that would move towards the center the core.
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Speaker 2: It would go clockwise counterclockwise. Everything seemed balanced and coordinated,
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Speaker 2: and it got these sequences of multicolored lights that it
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Speaker 2: was displaying got faster and faster and faster, and I
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Speaker 2: remember thinking to myself, Wow, now they're showing off, you know.
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Speaker 2: And I really feel like there was a mental communication
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Speaker 2: going on, and I had the feeling that there was
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Speaker 2: nothing for me to hide. They understood and knew everything
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Speaker 2: about me. I felt naked in a sense when I
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Speaker 2: was standing there looking at this thing. And so the
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Speaker 2: light show eventually stopped. It was probably fifteen twenty thirty seconds.
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Speaker 2: I remember thinking all kinds of things when I was
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Speaker 2: looking at the lights going. It was like remember that
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Speaker 2: game Victor Simon says with the lights, Well, it kind
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Speaker 2: of reminded me of that, but at some super high
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Speaker 2: level that you can't even comprehend. That's how fast these
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Speaker 2: lights were blinking on and off. And yeah, so I
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Speaker 2: remember thinking, Wow, no one's going to believe this. And
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Speaker 2: after the light show stopped, the craft kind of pulled
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Speaker 2: ahead of pulled ahead of us a little bit to
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Speaker 2: where now I can see the craft as a whole,
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Speaker 2: and it was indeed a saucer shaped craft. I'm no
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Speaker 2: longer looking at just the belly. I'm looking at the
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Speaker 2: entire craft as a whole. And it was just in
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Speaker 2: front of us a little bit, and it seemed to
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Speaker 2: do just a little bit of a wobble, and it
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Speaker 2: took off like near the speed of light, towards the
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Speaker 2: Hayward Hills. It went east. And when that thing took
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Speaker 2: off and it displayed that speed, to me, it was
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Speaker 2: like a whole nother It just blew me away on
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Speaker 2: a whole other level. It was almost comical how fast
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Speaker 2: that it moved. If I would have blinked my eyes,
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Speaker 2: I feel that I would have thought maybe it had
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Speaker 2: just disappeared or something. But I seen it, and it went,
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Speaker 2: you know, east towards the Hayward Hills so fast it
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Speaker 2: was it was like a cartoon. It was almost like yeah, right,
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Speaker 2: you know. So I noticed I was able to move
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Speaker 2: after it left, And the first thing I did was
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Speaker 2: I turned my head to the left, because that was
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Speaker 2: the last place Chaanto was at. He was on my
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Speaker 2: he was on my left, and sure enough he was there.
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Speaker 2: The first words out of my mouth were, hey, that
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Speaker 2: was a ufo. Huh. And Chano's response to me was yeah,
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Speaker 2: So that really blew me away right away. I could
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Speaker 2: tell that he did not want to talk about it,
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Speaker 2: and it was just so strange, and the rest of
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Speaker 2: the walk around the block was quiet. I wanted to
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Speaker 2: talk about what we seen, but Chanto didn't. As we
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Speaker 2: started ending our walk around the block, We're now in
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Speaker 2: front of Chano's house, and Chanto had an older brother
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Speaker 2: named Peter, and Peter had some friends over and they
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Speaker 2: were hanging out in front of the house, and I
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Speaker 2: was ready to share my experience. I just had because
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Speaker 2: obviously Chano really really didn't, you know, think much of it.
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Speaker 2: And I started sharing this experience and the kids kind
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Speaker 2: of played with me for a minute and said, oh, yeah,
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Speaker 2: we seen it too, it went that way, And they
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Speaker 2: had me going for a minute there because they pointed
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Speaker 2: towards the direction that I seen the craft go. But
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Speaker 2: then I quickly realized, you know, after a couple of giggles,
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Speaker 2: that they were just playing around and messing with me.
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Speaker 2: So I just kind of put my head down and
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Speaker 2: I went back into the Lopez family's home where I
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Speaker 2: was living. Uh, there was a couple of people home
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Speaker 2: at the time, and I remember trying to share it
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Speaker 2: with them, but there, you know, it just it just
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Speaker 2: wasn't something that they were ready to listen to. And
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Speaker 2: plus I was kind of a class clown, so that
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Speaker 2: never really worked towards me. Towards my it didn't really
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Speaker 2: work for me at all, being kind of a class clown.
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Speaker 1: H Yeah, something summing up the entire experience. In retrospect,
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Speaker 1: you talked about feeling communication, You talked about the beautiful
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Speaker 1: show of the light show. How did this make you feel?
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Speaker 2: I just remember thinking, no one's going to believe it. Uh,
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Speaker 2: And like I said that, there were showing off. They
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Speaker 2: were they were showing me that there was no electrical
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Speaker 2: problem at all. As a matter of fact, everything was
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Speaker 2: was fine. I didn't really get any kind of message
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Speaker 2: other than that at the time, I was really confused.
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Speaker 2: I would share my story with everybody about the saucer,
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Speaker 2: but I would always leave out the clouds creating like
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Speaker 2: a vortex. You know. I always left that out because
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Speaker 2: I've never heard of something like that, and I know
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Speaker 2: no one else has heard of anything like that, but
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Speaker 2: I know that people have heard of UFOs, So I
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Speaker 2: would just stick with the UFO and you know, my
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Speaker 2: story changed slightly from time to time. It was the
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Speaker 2: most confusing part of my experience that I didn't even
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Speaker 2: start to get a real grasp on until about three
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Speaker 2: years ago. Really, that's when I realized it was more
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Speaker 2: than just a siding. I mean, this thing was close too.
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Speaker 2: It was probably about one hundred and fifty feet above
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Speaker 2: the nearest telephone pole. But yeah, I didn't have much
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Speaker 2: feelings other than the thoughts that ran through my head
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Speaker 2: in this and I think I let it go for
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Speaker 2: quite a while, but there was there was a lot
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Speaker 2: of dreams that I had soon after this experience, and.
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Speaker 1: We're going to We're going to get to those in
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Speaker 1: a minute, but I want to talk more about the
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Speaker 1: response that others had, especially your family, when you tried
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Speaker 1: to share what happened.
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Speaker 2: What was their response, Well, my mom gave me the
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Speaker 2: whole you know, I believe that that's what you believe
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Speaker 2: you've seen. The Lopez family didn't believe it at all
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Speaker 2: going through school. It was junior high. It was my
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Speaker 2: first year of junior high. I couldn't wait to share
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Speaker 2: it with my friends. A lot of them didn't believe me,
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Speaker 2: And like I said, I was kind of a class clown.
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Speaker 2: But then when I would tell them that Chaano was
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Speaker 2: with me, that kind of bent their ear a little
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Speaker 2: bit bit more, and we would go and track down
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Speaker 2: Chaanno and I would say, hey, Chano, you know, can
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Speaker 2: you let these guys know, you know about our experience
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Speaker 2: with the UFO? And Chano would say, man, Mike, you're
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Speaker 2: still talking about that? And I would say, yes, I'm
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Speaker 2: talking about that. I think I'll be talking about this
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Speaker 2: the rest of my life. Can I at least get
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Speaker 2: a yes or a no? And he would go yeah,
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Speaker 2: And it just wasn't enough, you know, it wasn't enough validation.
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Speaker 2: It wasn't enough to convince my friends. So I pretty
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Speaker 2: much got jaded Victor and I left it alone for
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Speaker 2: quite a while.
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Speaker 1: You know, my first conscious experience took place when I
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Speaker 1: was five years old in nineteen fifty eight, and when
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Speaker 1: I would share this with my parents, I was told
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Speaker 1: that I was imagining things. Before my mother passed in
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Speaker 1: twenty twenty, I had a conversation with her in which
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Speaker 1: she admitted she had an experience when I was about
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Speaker 1: a year old, which I will always be grateful for.
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Speaker 1: Did anyone else in your family share any experience with you.
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Speaker 2: Yes. Uh. Actually, I had asked my mom a while,
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Speaker 2: a long time ago, and she had mentioned that she
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Speaker 2: had an experience up in the Hayward Hills with a
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Speaker 2: couple of friends. They were having a little picnic listening
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Speaker 2: to some music, and all of a sudden, the music stopped,
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Speaker 2: her friends stopped, everything just seemed to seize for the moment,
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Speaker 2: and all of a sudden, Jesus Christ appeared before her
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Speaker 2: in his typical robe in the satch, and she said
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Speaker 2: that there were some clouds that just covered his face
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Speaker 2: just enough, just enough to where you couldn't see every
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Speaker 2: detail of his face, but she knew who it was.
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Speaker 2: And she said that he spoke to her without moving
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Speaker 2: his mouth, and it was something that she heard in
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Speaker 2: her head, and the question to her from him was
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Speaker 2: are you ready? And she thought in her head, oh no,
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Speaker 2: I'm not ready. And as soon as she thought that, the
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Speaker 2: music went back on and her friends began to move
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Speaker 2: and everything was back to normal again, and she did
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Speaker 2: not share anything with them or anybody else. From what
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Speaker 2: my mom told me was I was the only one
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Speaker 2: that she had told that to. And as I really
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Speaker 2: started getting into the UFO phenomenon and learning that it
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Speaker 2: could be a family thing. I never thought that that
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Speaker 2: would be the same as mine, because mine was a
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Speaker 2: UFO experience and my mom was more of a spiritual experience.
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Speaker 2: But that's when things really started to mix together and
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Speaker 2: I started tying things together. My experience became more biblical.
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Speaker 2: Even though I wasn't into these things, it became more biblical,
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Speaker 2: and I then I accepted the fact that my mom
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Speaker 2: did have an experience. It wasn't exactly like mine, But
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Speaker 2: later in life, I realized that it was a biblical
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Speaker 2: experience that she had, which kind of goes hand in
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Speaker 2: hand with what mine turned into.
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Speaker 1: Eventually, What would you say to parents of children who
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Speaker 1: report these types of things to them?
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Speaker 2: Oh, man, children don't have a filter, and they're so
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Speaker 2: close from the other side. They're not tainted or poisoned.
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Speaker 2: I would believe anything that they say. I mean, they're
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Speaker 2: speaking the truth. They really are. If they're going out
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Speaker 2: of their way to say something like this, there's got
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Speaker 2: to be something to it, you know, absolutely, I would
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Speaker 2: support them.
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Speaker 1: Absolutely. Listen to your children anything that they share with
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Speaker 1: you that is out of the ordinary. It's really important
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Speaker 1: to listen to your kids. In retrospect, do you consider
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Speaker 1: what happened an abduction or something else?
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Speaker 2: Well, you know, Victor, I used to just It was
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Speaker 2: only about three years ago when I finally came out
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Speaker 2: of the so called closet and became true to myself
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Speaker 2: and just called it really what it was. It was
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Speaker 2: more than a siding. It was an abduction. And I
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Speaker 2: used the word abduction because that was the only word
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Speaker 2: out there that people were using, you know. They it
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Speaker 2: was the blackout. It was the blackout from the vortex
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Speaker 2: and the clouds that really made me think it was
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Speaker 2: more than just a siding, because I've blacked out before.
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Speaker 2: I've blacked out before I was twelve years old. There
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Speaker 2: was an experience that I had about two or three
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Speaker 2: years prior to that, where I woke up and I
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Speaker 2: see an entity in my bedroom, you know, on my carpet,
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Speaker 2: walking towards me, and I chalked that up to a
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Speaker 2: res visual spirit, some kind of ghost or something. But
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Speaker 2: now as an adult, I reflect, and now I think
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Speaker 2: they had been taking me. I don't want to use
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Speaker 2: the word abduction because it sounds against my will, and
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Speaker 2: I don't have any negative thoughts or memories about these
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Speaker 2: things other than being startled here and there. But yeah,
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Speaker 2: I definitely believe I was taking There's a lot of
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Speaker 2: stuff that has been locked into my subconscious I do
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Speaker 2: realize that. But there's also some memories that have naturally surfaced.
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Speaker 2: So I do have memories of certain parts of the ship,
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Speaker 2: of being on board this craft. I have memories of
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Speaker 2: detailed areas that from what I've learned, other experiencers have
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Speaker 2: seen some of the things that I have seen inside
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Speaker 2: this craft as well. So that's when I became real
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Speaker 2: with myself and called it what it was. It wasn't
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Speaker 2: abduct it was an abduction. And you know, to tell
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Speaker 2: my wife something like this was a little too much
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Speaker 2: for her. She knew that I had experienced a UFO,
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Speaker 2: but to say that it was an abduction was too
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Speaker 2: much for her, and it really broke my heart, you know.
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Speaker 2: So all I had left to do was just pray
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Speaker 2: that maybe I can have an experience with her too
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Speaker 2: one day, which eventually did happen.
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Speaker 1: And we'll save that for the next segment. But sure,
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Speaker 1: do you have a recollection of the beings, what they
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Speaker 1: looked like, and how they treated you.
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Speaker 2: I don't have a recollection at all, I wasn't able
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Speaker 2: to see these beings. I know that they treated me well,
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Speaker 2: they were showing me things without Actually I felt like
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Speaker 2: they were standing next to me, but there was no
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Speaker 2: way I could see them. I just remember kind of
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Speaker 2: being guided like on a tour, being shown different different rooms.
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Speaker 2: But I did not see any any beings at the
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Speaker 2: time at all, and I still haven't, so I don't
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Speaker 2: exactly know what I'm dealing with, other than some of
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Speaker 2: the recent experiences that I've had has led me towards
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Speaker 2: more of a biblical, biblically accurate type of experience.
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Speaker 1: My guest is Mike Walker. Mike, please share with our
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Speaker 1: listeners well can find out more about you and your
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Speaker 1: fascinating story.
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Speaker 2: Okay, Yeah, I developed the page on Facebook called Ophenum Energy.
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Speaker 2: as just a arts and crafts I created Oregon Energy.
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Speaker 2: I create pyramids with crystals and things like that. That's
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Speaker 2: what the page started off as. But now it's kind
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Speaker 2: of became my my spiritual experiences and and UFO experiences. Uh,
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Speaker 2: It's turned into anything and everything that that I want
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Speaker 2: to share or where people can reach out and and
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Speaker 1: Back on Destination Unlimited. My guest this week is Mike Walker. Mike,
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Speaker 1: following the nineteen eighty five experience, you had a series
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Speaker 1: of visions, some of them biblical in nature. Please share
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Speaker 1: these with us, including your vision of Ezekiel's wheel.
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Speaker 2: Okay, I'll save the wheel for last. But the one
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Speaker 2: of the first visions I remember having was it was
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Speaker 2: very short and sweet. I was running from a crashing flood,
24:10
Speaker 2: and I jumped up on these huge stones that I
24:14
Speaker 2: came to know as Stonehenge, and I jumped up on
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Speaker 2: these stones for safety as the crashing flood came roaring
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Speaker 2: behind me. And just at the last second before the
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Speaker 2: flood took me away and swept me off my feet,
24:29
Speaker 2: I was able to jump up on these stones and
24:32
Speaker 2: get up onto the very top, and I was able
24:35
Speaker 2: to watch the water reach the very top of these stones,
24:40
Speaker 2: and it stopped right before it covered the tips of them,
24:44
Speaker 2: so it was like I didn't even get wet. That
24:49
Speaker 2: was one of my my I called it just a
24:53
Speaker 2: dream for many many years, but in retrospect, as a
24:57
Speaker 2: twelve year old, I just felt like I didn't have
24:59
Speaker 2: any business dreaming of such events like that. My next
25:05
Speaker 2: one that I remember, I remember walking on a beach
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Speaker 2: with my aunt Cindy holding her hands, and we're looking
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Speaker 2: at this beach and it's just full of whales and
25:19
Speaker 2: they're all beached, beached whales everywhere. I believe that they
25:24
Speaker 2: were dead. I did not smell anything. Everything about it
25:31
Speaker 2: was beautiful, except just the fact that these whales were
25:36
Speaker 2: no longer living now. The wheel within the wheel. That
25:41
Speaker 2: one really blew me away as I got older, because
25:46
Speaker 2: in retrospect, once again, I really really felt I had
25:49
Speaker 2: no business because I've never heard of anything like this
25:54
Speaker 2: until certain things in my life, certain movies and things
25:58
Speaker 2: like that would trigger more of a response to look
26:02
Speaker 2: into it and be forced to look into it and
26:04
Speaker 2: realize that there's something something to it. But the dream
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Speaker 2: that I had was I was standing at my grandfather
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Speaker 2: Jack's house, the one that we had temporarily lived for
26:17
Speaker 2: a year or two before we had to move across
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Speaker 2: the street to the Lopez family. In this dream, I'm
26:23
Speaker 2: standing on the car port of two eight oh aight
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Speaker 2: oh East eleventh Street in South Hayward, California, and I
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Speaker 2: am looking at two wheels that are hovering and spinning
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Speaker 2: above the peak of my grandfather's home. It's an old
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Speaker 2: it was built in nineteen twenty four. I believe at
26:44
Speaker 2: the peak of the roof, I could see the wheel
26:47
Speaker 2: within this wheel. One wheel is going one way, the
26:51
Speaker 2: other wheels going the other way, and it's just twirling
26:56
Speaker 2: and spinning and it's hovering. And I remember thinking in
27:01
Speaker 2: my head, well, the saying a UFO, because I know
27:05
Speaker 2: what UFOs look like. You know, they put on multi
27:08
Speaker 2: colored light shows. They look like a saucer and they
27:11
Speaker 2: take off like the speed of light. To me at
27:13
Speaker 2: the moment when I was dreaming this, it didn't really
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Speaker 2: impress me because it just it was just odd, you know.
27:22
Speaker 2: But it was hovering, it was defying gravity. So I
27:27
Speaker 2: tried to tell some of the people that were outside
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Speaker 2: in the neighborhood about it, and I wanted to point
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Speaker 2: it out to them. But unfortunately, in my dream, nobody,
27:37
Speaker 2: no one can hear me, no one can feel me,
27:40
Speaker 2: because I tapped on somebody's shoulder and I got no response.
27:44
Speaker 2: I just remember feeling sad that I couldn't I couldn't
27:49
Speaker 2: share this experience that I'm seeing right here in front
27:51
Speaker 2: of my eyes, and that was the sum of it.
27:58
Speaker 2: And I really didn't think much of it for really
28:01
Speaker 2: a long time until I started seeing things like I
28:05
Speaker 2: saw the movie Contact with Jody Foster, and there was
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Speaker 2: a there was some deal in there where it was
28:10
Speaker 2: like the wheel within the wheel. It looked a lot
28:11
Speaker 2: like it to me, and it just really triggered me
28:14
Speaker 2: and I got really emotional. And then eventually I ended
28:19
Speaker 2: up learning about Ezekiel's vision of this wheel within the wheel,
28:23
Speaker 2: and I just went from there like, there is something
28:26
Speaker 2: to this victor. You know, there has to be so.
28:30
Speaker 1: Absolutely absolutely in your vision with Ezekiel's wheel. Did you
28:36
Speaker 1: see eyes in the rings of the wheels?
28:38
Speaker 2: I did not. I did not see the eyes. As
28:41
Speaker 2: a matter of fact. There was nothing shiny or bright
28:46
Speaker 2: or brilliant about it. I do remember that it did
28:49
Speaker 2: have kind of like a like a gun metal color
28:53
Speaker 2: to it, kind of a dull color, but it it
28:58
Speaker 2: was omine. It was just it was just so the
29:01
Speaker 2: way it moved, it was so calculated and perfect. But
29:06
Speaker 2: I did not see any eyes. I understand that a
29:09
Speaker 2: lot of people do depict these eyes. But the message
29:15
Speaker 2: that I personally got was, you know, sometimes these eyes
29:19
Speaker 2: are actually just lights in my case anyway, which kind
29:26
Speaker 2: of goes hand in hand with one of my most
29:29
Speaker 2: recent experiences I had in twenty twenty two.
29:32
Speaker 1: Why don't you tell us about that?
29:34
Speaker 2: Okay? Well, like I had said earlier, when I decided
29:37
Speaker 2: to share with my wife that I believe I was abducted,
29:41
Speaker 2: she thought that was a little too much, and I
29:43
Speaker 2: could tell in her eyes that she didn't believe that.
29:46
Speaker 2: She thought that maybe I had too much time on
29:48
Speaker 2: my hand to make this up. That wasn't the case.
29:57
Speaker 2: It really I wanted to share this with of course,
30:00
Speaker 2: I wanted to share this with my wife and have
30:02
Speaker 2: these passionate conversations with her, but I couldn't. So what
30:08
Speaker 2: I did was I prayed. I prayed that maybe we
30:11
Speaker 2: can have an experience together and and it was something
30:14
Speaker 2: that we can have in common and just move on
30:16
Speaker 2: from there. So I kind of forgot about. Yeah, the
30:21
Speaker 2: the prayer that I that I asked for. It had
30:25
Speaker 2: been maybe a month or two and we're outside our
30:33
Speaker 2: apartment when I'm living in San Leandro, and all of
30:37
Speaker 2: a sudden, I see this object coming it's coming overhead.
30:40
Speaker 2: It's it's it's starting to come over our path. And
30:43
Speaker 2: I didn't want to embarrass myself in front of my
30:45
Speaker 2: wife and just jump to conclusions right away and go, honey,
30:48
Speaker 2: look at you a poe, you know, because I've had hell,
30:51
Speaker 2: I've had my lard balloons trigger me and throw me
30:54
Speaker 2: off for a moment or two, you know, And I've
30:56
Speaker 2: embarrassed myself quite a bit sometimes. So I say, well,
31:02
Speaker 2: what kind of drone is this? Because as I'm looking
31:05
Speaker 2: at this object, it looks like it's rolling flipping. I
31:09
Speaker 2: couldn't tell exactly what it was doing. It was hard
31:12
Speaker 2: to really lay an eye on it. There was a
31:14
Speaker 2: point where I even thought, is this thing shape shifting?
31:18
Speaker 2: So here we are, me and my wife looking up
31:21
Speaker 2: at this object. It didn't appear out of nowhere. I
31:25
Speaker 2: seen it coming from from a little ways and as
31:30
Speaker 2: it approached us, it was now directly overheaded. It seemed
31:36
Speaker 2: to slow its roll, it seemed to stop flipping and rolling.
31:42
Speaker 2: And now I see a pattern of lights that it
31:47
Speaker 2: illuminates from inside one of the rings, and these are circular,
31:52
Speaker 2: bright white dots. It was dot dot dot dot, and
31:58
Speaker 2: then it looked like a beginning of another dot, just
32:01
Speaker 2: like the rest of them, but it wasn't. It was
32:03
Speaker 2: more of a line that ended with another dot, a
32:08
Speaker 2: side of a dot anyway, and the pattern of lights
32:11
Speaker 2: that it displayed to me, I remember thinking in the moment,
32:15
Speaker 2: because I did have somebody, a spiritual guru in a sense.
32:20
Speaker 2: Her name is Angel Thacker. She would always give me
32:24
Speaker 2: these hint, these tips like, next time you have an experience,
32:27
Speaker 2: try to concentrate and ask what the message is. So
32:33
Speaker 2: I did. I remember seeing this pattern of lights, and I,
32:38
Speaker 2: you know, I asked what the message was. And I
32:40
Speaker 2: see this pattern of lights and I didn't know what
32:45
Speaker 2: it meant until I go upstairs into the room and
32:49
Speaker 2: and and I'm drawing pictures of it to share with
32:51
Speaker 2: my experiencer group, and I'm looking at these dots and
32:57
Speaker 2: it looked to me a lot like Smores code code.
33:01
Speaker 2: So I look up online what these series of dots
33:05
Speaker 2: and lines represent, and I was thinking, you know, hey,
33:08
Speaker 2: maybe it's going to be a message, you know, saying
33:10
Speaker 2: hey we are here, you know, or take me to
33:13
Speaker 2: your leader, you know, I some message like that, you know.
33:16
Speaker 2: And the message that that I found was new miracle.
33:20
Speaker 2: It was a new miracle message. It was numbers. The
33:24
Speaker 2: number that they they gave me was four four four,
33:29
Speaker 2: and I did a little research, and of course you
33:32
Speaker 2: know it is an angelic number, and this one in
33:35
Speaker 2: particular was telling me that you know, you're strong with
33:38
Speaker 2: the angels, You're on the right path. Things are going
33:42
Speaker 2: to happen that you've been working for. Just trust in
33:45
Speaker 2: your family, trust in your your angelic realm family. And
33:49
Speaker 2: it just made so much more sense to me. My
33:54
Speaker 2: wife saw what I drew, and she drew a couple
33:56
Speaker 2: of the lights and she said, this is what I seen.
34:00
Speaker 2: She only seen two of those lights that lit up.
34:03
Speaker 2: She didn't see the entire message that I did. And
34:07
Speaker 2: it did open up my eyes, my wife's eyes a
34:10
Speaker 2: little bit more, and at least we were able to
34:12
Speaker 2: have a conversation about at least our experience. She's not
34:21
Speaker 2: going to go run and join a UFO group or
34:24
Speaker 2: a ufology or anything like that. She still has her
34:29
Speaker 2: walls up in a sense, because it wasn't too dramatic
34:32
Speaker 2: of an experience, because it just continued to fly overhead
34:38
Speaker 2: and I remember thinking, well, let me get my phone out.
34:42
Speaker 2: I knew that I wasn't going to get some amazing evidence.
34:47
Speaker 2: I knew that it had already passed me by and
34:51
Speaker 2: that it would probably just come out like just a
34:55
Speaker 2: dot in this guy and it was. I knew it
34:57
Speaker 2: would be nothing that I would want to share because
35:00
Speaker 2: it would just be another light in the sky that
35:03
Speaker 2: you know, somebody's being a little bit over dramatic about.
35:06
Speaker 2: But I wanted it to take a picture in a sense,
35:09
Speaker 2: to get the license plate of that car that just
35:11
Speaker 2: drove by, in a way, is what is what I
35:14
Speaker 2: was thinking. I just wanted a souvenir. And so I do.
35:18
Speaker 2: I have a video of it, and and it's sure enough,
35:22
Speaker 2: it's it's not some mind blowing evidence. But there was
35:27
Speaker 2: a point in the video where I know what it's
35:29
Speaker 2: doing because I know it was flipping and rolling and
35:32
Speaker 2: I see it. I see it doing exactly what it
35:36
Speaker 2: was doing, you know. But it was just nothing big
35:41
Speaker 2: enough for me to you know, like boom, here it is.
35:45
Speaker 2: This is the openum. And as a matter of fact,
35:47
Speaker 2: I wasn't even thinking about the openum. The wheel within
35:50
Speaker 2: the wheel. I believe we call it many names, the Merkabah,
35:53
Speaker 2: the spirit's chariot. Uh. There's many things that we may
35:57
Speaker 2: be calling this thing. Yeah, it's just I know that
36:07
Speaker 2: that that's what it was, because my wife was telling
36:09
Speaker 2: me that when I was drawing pictures of it, she
36:11
Speaker 2: said that it reminded her of Saturn. And I go,
36:14
Speaker 2: what do you mean it reminded you of Saturn? And
36:16
Speaker 2: she said, well, you know it had the ring. And
36:19
Speaker 2: you know, as soon as she said a ring, then
36:22
Speaker 2: it really started ringing in my head, like, oh my.
36:25
Speaker 2: I look over on my crystal grid where I have
36:27
Speaker 2: this energy table that I developed, and I have this
36:31
Speaker 2: will within the will that I created from Michael's Arts
36:33
Speaker 2: and Crafts with crystals and circles of wood, and sure enough,
36:38
Speaker 2: there it is. It's in the middle of my energy table,
36:42
Speaker 2: the will within the wheel. And it clicked on me.
36:45
Speaker 2: This is what I'm asking for, This is what I
36:47
Speaker 2: had asked for, This is what the energy tables all about,
36:51
Speaker 2: This is what my prayers were all about. They answered
36:56
Speaker 2: my prayers. I went back outside again by myself, left
37:00
Speaker 2: my wife inside, and I went and sat down on
37:03
Speaker 2: the sidewalk near the sidewalk in front of my apartment,
37:06
Speaker 2: and I hear an owl screech very close, and I
37:12
Speaker 2: look up and there's two white, beautiful barn owls that
37:15
Speaker 2: screech overhead, And to me, that was a clarification that
37:21
Speaker 2: I got what I had prayed for. Each owl represented
37:26
Speaker 2: one represented me, one represented my wife. It was just
37:30
Speaker 2: another little validation that my prayers were answered.
37:35
Speaker 1: You know, that's beautiful. Many contact tees and abductees have
37:41
Speaker 1: a sense of being selected, at least the first time
37:45
Speaker 1: for their experiences. Do you sense that you were selected?
37:49
Speaker 2: I went through those emotions, Victor more as a child.
37:53
Speaker 2: I felt that it was something special about me. But
37:58
Speaker 2: they were a roller coaster, roller coaster of emotional thoughts
38:02
Speaker 2: on that, and I went through a time where I
38:06
Speaker 2: thought maybe I was special, and then I went through
38:08
Speaker 2: a time that maybe I'm not. Maybe this, you know,
38:11
Speaker 2: like they do this, I'm not the only person that
38:14
Speaker 2: they've they've taken and have experienced on You know that
38:19
Speaker 2: it's hundreds and thousands of people, if they if they
38:21
Speaker 2: know it or not. You know, I I think that
38:27
Speaker 2: that we all have these these powers that that are
38:31
Speaker 2: in us, you know, So to think that I'm special,
38:35
Speaker 2: it's like there's a part of me that's abrasive. I
38:37
Speaker 2: don't want to go around saying, hey, I'm special, because
38:41
Speaker 2: part of the message I get is it's it's inside
38:45
Speaker 2: all of us. It's just a matter of using it
38:48
Speaker 2: or losing it through the programming of just growing up,
38:53
Speaker 2: you know, and I choose to use it. And the
38:55
Speaker 2: more that you use it, I think the more that
38:59
Speaker 2: that it works better for you.
39:01
Speaker 4: You know.
39:02
Speaker 2: I just believe that we have more senses than than
39:04
Speaker 2: we're led to believe. But the world that we live
39:08
Speaker 2: in wants to call it ESP, which is extra central perception,
39:16
Speaker 2: meaning if you have any senses other than site, taste, sound,
39:21
Speaker 2: and things like that, it's considered extra. And when you
39:26
Speaker 2: start talking along them lines, you start getting people to
39:29
Speaker 2: think that you're kooky, or you know, you're in a witchcraft,
39:33
Speaker 2: or you know, it just falls right into another program.
39:36
Speaker 2: To me, it seems like anyway, in reality, I don't
39:41
Speaker 2: think I'm special at all. I did hear of experiencers
39:45
Speaker 2: not experiencing anything, you know, out of the ordinary until
39:49
Speaker 2: after the UFO experience, like maybe it activated something within them,
39:54
Speaker 2: So I mean that is a possibility. There was many
39:58
Speaker 2: things that had happened to me after my experience. When
40:00
Speaker 2: I was in the Navy, I was stationed in Pearl
40:02
Speaker 2: Harbor when I was twenty one. I remember waking up
40:05
Speaker 2: in my rack one morning and I, instead of getting up,
40:09
Speaker 2: I just kind of closed my eyes and I was
40:12
Speaker 2: going places, and I just couldn't believe the places that
40:15
Speaker 2: I was going. I was going to these random places,
40:18
Speaker 2: and I kept I kept going into these weird places.
40:21
Speaker 2: I didn't know where I was, and every once in
40:24
Speaker 2: a while somebody would see me and it would freak
40:26
Speaker 2: me out, and I would wake myself up, and then
40:29
Speaker 2: I would once again tell myself, now that didn't just happen.
40:32
Speaker 2: There's no way that that happened. Let me try it again.
40:35
Speaker 2: So I did it like two or three times, and Victor,
40:38
Speaker 2: I was able to go to places, very vivid places,
40:43
Speaker 2: just by closing my eyes. And I didn't know it
40:45
Speaker 2: at the time, and I've never even heard of the
40:47
Speaker 2: word remote viewing or astral projection or things like that,
40:51
Speaker 2: and I didn't think it had anything to do with
40:53
Speaker 2: my twelve year old UFO experience. It was just something
40:57
Speaker 2: that really threw me for a loop, you know. But
41:00
Speaker 2: in retrospect, I think those are some of the things
41:04
Speaker 2: that I was doing. I just didn't know how to
41:06
Speaker 2: put a handle on where I was going, so I
41:09
Speaker 2: would end up in these random places sometimes.
41:12
Speaker 1: Scary and not about the feeling of being special or
41:16
Speaker 1: set aside or put it. But you have come through
41:18
Speaker 1: your experiences and have opened up groups to welcome and
41:22
Speaker 1: help others. That's very special.
41:26
Speaker 2: Well yeah, I mean it's a two way street there
41:29
Speaker 2: because not only are you know, am I helping others,
41:34
Speaker 2: but they're helping me at the same time through validations.
41:39
Speaker 2: And I really don't think Victor, this is something that
41:42
Speaker 2: we're going to absolutely figure out, you know, this lifetime.
41:46
Speaker 2: You know, it might take many lifetimes just to get
41:50
Speaker 2: a grasp on what's going on here. Is amazing. Some
41:56
Speaker 2: people just want to leave it alone, you know, cognitive
41:59
Speaker 2: disin They're happy right where they're at, you know, they
42:04
Speaker 2: don't want to go that route. It's just there's that
42:06
Speaker 2: word again. It's just too much when I know that,
42:10
Speaker 2: it's too real.
42:13
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42:16
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Speaker 1: Back on Destination Unlimited, my guest this week is Mike Walker. Mike,
42:56
Speaker 1: you share that you've been monitored by orbs, that you've
42:59
Speaker 1: captured image of. What is this like and why do
43:02
Speaker 1: you think they're monitoring you?
43:05
Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, Victor, I was. I love the television show
43:09
Speaker 2: Ghost Adventures and Ghost Hunters and things like that, and
43:12
Speaker 2: you know, I was never really a big fan of
43:16
Speaker 2: these orbs that everyone was talking about, and I think
43:19
Speaker 2: it had part to do with because my experience was
43:23
Speaker 2: so dramatic. My initial what I thought was my first
43:27
Speaker 2: experience of the UFO, the vortex and the clouds being
43:33
Speaker 2: displaced from one area to another without recollection, that was
43:37
Speaker 2: really dramatic. So for me to really go nuts over
43:45
Speaker 2: orbs and things like that just wasn't something that I
43:47
Speaker 2: was into until I had a fellow experiencer named Marisol Smiley.
43:52
Speaker 2: She had these experiences with not only orbs, but squares
43:58
Speaker 2: and things like that, cubes, and I politely didn't want
44:05
Speaker 2: her to fall down like a wrong path. That's something
44:07
Speaker 2: I'm always afraid of, is falling down some falling for
44:11
Speaker 2: something that's not true, falling down an incorrect path. It's
44:16
Speaker 2: really got to be real for me. And what I
44:18
Speaker 2: did was I offered her a little pixelation explanation is
44:23
Speaker 2: what I explained it. And I politely offered her some
44:27
Speaker 2: advice on you know, if I go out on my
44:30
Speaker 2: balcony right now, Marisol, with my phone and just take
44:33
Speaker 2: a random shot of anything, if I zoom in on
44:37
Speaker 2: it enough, it becomes pixelated, and that's why maybe you're
44:42
Speaker 2: starting to see these cubes. So that's what I did, Victor.
44:46
Speaker 2: I went out into the balcony and I took a
44:48
Speaker 2: random picture of the sky. You know, I had the
44:51
Speaker 2: telephone poles and the lines and trees and it was
44:54
Speaker 2: just a normal day. I took the picture and I
44:59
Speaker 2: went to zoom zom in on anything that I wanted
45:02
Speaker 2: to just was. It didn't matter what I was going
45:04
Speaker 2: to find on this picture. I was going to zoom
45:07
Speaker 2: in and zoom in enough to show her the pixelations
45:10
Speaker 2: that start to happen once you start getting too close.
45:14
Speaker 2: And before I even started zooming in. I noticed a
45:18
Speaker 2: little black dot just hovering over one of the phone lines,
45:24
Speaker 2: and I started zooming in on it, and sure enough,
45:26
Speaker 2: here I am now offering my friend Marisol a pixel
45:32
Speaker 2: as pixelation explanation for some of the things she's experiencing.
45:36
Speaker 2: And here I am now experiencing a black circle. And
45:44
Speaker 2: soon after that, it didn't matter where I was at,
45:47
Speaker 2: I could and it seemed to happen when I had
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Speaker 2: a lot of people around me, like I had my
45:52
Speaker 2: neighbor and we're having a barbecue, and my neighbor is
45:56
Speaker 2: a doubting Thomas. This is something I do not my
46:00
Speaker 2: experiences with him, I knew better. I knew where he
46:03
Speaker 2: stood on a lot of this stuff. But he himself
46:06
Speaker 2: told me, hey, Mike, what's that that white light up
46:09
Speaker 2: in the sky there? It just seems to be hovering
46:12
Speaker 2: right above us. And once again I didn't want to
46:15
Speaker 2: embarrass myself, and I go, oh, you know, I'm kind
46:19
Speaker 2: of playing it off, like, oh, yeah, I guess I
46:21
Speaker 2: do see it, you know, let me get my phone out,
46:23
Speaker 2: just kind of nonchalant started recording it. And it stood
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Speaker 2: there for quite a while, and it moved from one
46:30
Speaker 2: section of the sky to the other. Or I would
46:34
Speaker 2: be at work working on a roof at a mall
46:37
Speaker 2: and new work at a mall called New Park Mall.
46:41
Speaker 2: I'm up there working on air conditioners and things like that,
46:45
Speaker 2: and I take a picture of the skylight. It's a
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Speaker 2: really pretty skylight that was on the roof that reminded
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Speaker 2: me of a pyramid. It was like a glass pyramid.
46:52
Speaker 2: It was really pretty. So I took a picture of this,
46:55
Speaker 2: this skylight. And right before I took the picture, I
46:59
Speaker 2: noticed a flat of light in my peripheral vision, but
47:02
Speaker 2: I just ignored it and chalked it up to whatever.
47:04
Speaker 2: I didn't think it was anything. I snapped the picture.
47:08
Speaker 2: I look at the picture and I see this white,
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Speaker 2: perfect circular ORB just above the skylight, a little bit
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Speaker 2: to the left of the skylight actually, and I realized
47:22
Speaker 2: this was the flash of light that I had seen
47:24
Speaker 2: in my peripher role before I snapped the shot. As
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Speaker 2: I see it live, it appeared to be a flashing
47:33
Speaker 2: moving light in the picture. In the picture the spectrum
47:38
Speaker 2: of a picture that I took with my phone, it
47:40
Speaker 2: was an ORB. So yeah, I'm a firm believer in
47:45
Speaker 2: these orbs. I believe that they just monitor. They're curious.
47:52
Speaker 2: Like I have a sense of this being a futuristic
47:55
Speaker 2: reality show, you know, like if you look at our
47:58
Speaker 2: reality shows and things like that, if you fast forward
48:01
Speaker 2: where we're at now with reality shows and things like that,
48:06
Speaker 2: there really isn't nothing left but to create your own
48:09
Speaker 2: worlds and to keep an eye on these worlds is
48:12
Speaker 2: kind of what I gather. So I believe there's a
48:15
Speaker 2: lot of monitoring going on with these orbs.
48:19
Speaker 1: I'm glad you clarified that. Because Marrisol is also a
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Speaker 1: friend of mine. I'm sure she's going to be listening
48:24
Speaker 1: to the show, so I always you share that and
48:26
Speaker 1: clarified that. Do you sense a connection between the angelic
48:31
Speaker 1: realm and extraterrestrials?
48:33
Speaker 2: I'm almost forced to at this point, Victor. I have
48:38
Speaker 2: mixed thoughts about it. Though none of my experiences were bad,
48:44
Speaker 2: but there is a lot of stuff that has been
48:46
Speaker 2: locked away in my subconscious. The message that I got
48:51
Speaker 2: was they're all one and the same, and if you
48:53
Speaker 2: think about it, you know, if you put yourself back
48:55
Speaker 2: in history, anything that comes from the sky, anything that
49:02
Speaker 2: comes from the sky, you know, is something that I
49:06
Speaker 2: believe you're gonna line yourself up with you know, anything,
49:10
Speaker 2: any message. You know, of course, angel means messenger, right,
49:14
Speaker 2: you know, it's any message that comes from the sky.
49:18
Speaker 2: You're you're almost you're almost forced to almost worship it,
49:23
Speaker 2: you know what I mean? Like this, this person's got
49:26
Speaker 2: everything figured out. I want to line myself up with
49:28
Speaker 2: the message and this person that gave me this message.
49:33
Speaker 2: And I can see down the line how it could
49:36
Speaker 2: be something that turns religious. And I believe at one
49:42
Speaker 2: point religion probably was right on track and it was true.
49:46
Speaker 2: But of course, just like anything else good in this world,
49:48
Speaker 2: it gets hijacked. There's different agendas that are going on
49:52
Speaker 2: and different programs that that I'm learning about. And I
49:56
Speaker 2: really feel that you just got to stay firm and
49:59
Speaker 2: stro and and know that that that there's more to
50:03
Speaker 2: life than than what's in front of us, you know.
50:08
Speaker 1: And Ophoneme is the name of an angel. Tell us
50:11
Speaker 1: about Ophoneme energy and your message of hope and self healing.
50:16
Speaker 2: So openum energy is is just me using my creativity
50:21
Speaker 2: at the same time, it's kind of like playing with
50:25
Speaker 2: your crystals and and and manipulating energy, uh with good
50:30
Speaker 2: intentions and trying to line myself up with my higher
50:33
Speaker 2: self and just to see what I can create and
50:39
Speaker 2: orgone energy. You know, when you're using epoxy and resin
50:43
Speaker 2: and things like that and you're putting crystals into it,
50:47
Speaker 2: you're forcing this energy of the crystal to shoot up
50:51
Speaker 2: towards the tip of this this this pyramid that I'm creating,
50:55
Speaker 2: and it just it just made sense, and it just
50:58
Speaker 2: felt right to to create more than just orgone energy.
51:02
Speaker 2: I just anything that came to my mind, I put
51:06
Speaker 2: my energy in it. And these items that I have,
51:10
Speaker 2: you know, I would sell I would. I went to
51:13
Speaker 2: UFOCON twenty was it twenty twenty one or twenty twenty three,
51:18
Speaker 2: I believe ufocon when it was in South San Francisco,
51:22
Speaker 2: and I got myself a table and I got to
51:25
Speaker 2: talk with other experiencers and I sold a lot of
51:29
Speaker 2: my stuff, and people were telling me that they really
51:33
Speaker 2: feel the energy, you know, of what I have to offer.
51:37
Speaker 2: And so I believe I'm offering tools of help and
51:44
Speaker 2: trying to other people helping them reach their higher self
51:47
Speaker 2: as well, you know, and no one's walking around perfectly
51:52
Speaker 2: activated at all time, you know. I'm talking about our
51:54
Speaker 2: energy system, our chakras and things like that. It's just
51:59
Speaker 2: a practice. It's something to keep keep keep an eye on,
52:02
Speaker 2: and keep your heart on it, to practice and and
52:05
Speaker 2: learn more and more. You know, I think it's really
52:10
Speaker 2: inside of us, the answer really is. And I didn't
52:13
Speaker 2: like hearing that when I was little, like like it's
52:15
Speaker 2: all in your head, you know, you could do anything
52:17
Speaker 2: you want, it's all in you. I didn't want to
52:19
Speaker 2: hear that, you know, I really didn't feel like it
52:21
Speaker 2: was in me. But from what I learned, it's all
52:24
Speaker 2: in us. And this activision of our of our chakra system,
52:29
Speaker 2: our energy system, all that stuff is real and and
52:32
Speaker 2: it's tied to our pineal gland and and I believe
52:35
Speaker 2: these are the tools that that I was using without
52:38
Speaker 2: knowing what I was doing. And I just want to
52:41
Speaker 2: learn more.
52:42
Speaker 1: What message would you like our listeners to take away
52:45
Speaker 1: from your experiences and perhaps offer hope for us in
52:49
Speaker 1: a world that really needs hope.
52:51
Speaker 2: I would say that you need to pay attention more
52:56
Speaker 2: to energies, frequencies, and vibrations, things like that, when you
53:02
Speaker 2: walk into a room and something doesn't feel right, or
53:05
Speaker 2: you walk into a room and it does feel right,
53:08
Speaker 2: trust your gut, trust your instinct, trust your intuition, I
53:13
Speaker 2: believe it. I trust it. It's gotten me this far,
53:17
Speaker 2: and I'm happy for where I'm at now. If I
53:20
Speaker 2: were to pass away tomorrow, I would be so happy
53:23
Speaker 2: and privileged to just have experience what I have because
53:26
Speaker 2: I realize most people don't get the opportunity to experience
53:31
Speaker 2: these things. I have been given this opportunity. I appreciate
53:35
Speaker 2: it on a whole nother level. And I believe why
53:40
Speaker 2: me and not everybody? Because I believe I am also
53:45
Speaker 2: a messenger, I am also a prophet. I don't believe
53:49
Speaker 2: that messengers and profits are walking around dressed as nuns
53:53
Speaker 2: or Moses. Don't you don't have to, you know, walk
53:56
Speaker 2: through a desert with a roban. I believe that this
53:58
Speaker 2: is the modern day angel, this is the modern day message.
54:03
Speaker 2: There's we need a we have a lot of people
54:05
Speaker 2: on this planet, so they need a lot of help.
54:08
Speaker 2: And yeah, there's a lot of experiencers. And I think
54:10
Speaker 2: I'm just one experiencer out of thousands and thousands and
54:14
Speaker 2: thousands that are actually helping. They're they're doing it without
54:20
Speaker 2: really knowing what they're doing. And and I believe that's
54:23
Speaker 2: the kind of track that I'm on right now. I
54:26
Speaker 2: just want to continue sharing my experience to help others
54:30
Speaker 2: and to help myself. I need help. I need to
54:33
Speaker 2: be regressively hypnotized. I have pieces that are missing, But
54:38
Speaker 2: at the same time, I'm helping others and they're helping me.
54:42
Speaker 2: So until that perfect timing comes where I get regressed,
54:47
Speaker 2: I'm just gonna keep pushing. I call it the paranormal push.
54:50
Speaker 2: I'm just gonna keep pushing and sharing my experience. But
54:52
Speaker 2: trust your heart, trust your gut. These are the things
54:55
Speaker 2: that are important. Frequencies and vibrations, Victor.
54:59
Speaker 1: The wisdom and a experience of my guest Mike Walker.
55:02
Speaker 1: Mike one more time, please share with our listeners where
55:04
Speaker 1: they can find out more about you.
55:06
Speaker 2: Okay, I just have a simple Facebook page. If you
55:10
Speaker 2: look up James Michael Walker, you should see my name
55:14
Speaker 2: pop up. Michael James Walker. I have a page called Energy.
55:22
Speaker 2: It's spelt oh pH A n I am, and that's
55:27
Speaker 2: Opum Energy, and that's where you can find me. I
55:32
Speaker 2: used to have a Paranormal Friday's show. I used to
55:35
Speaker 2: have a Memoirs of an Experiencer show that which you
55:40
Speaker 2: can find if you google these things. Paranormal Fridays with
55:44
Speaker 2: Mike Walker and Angel Thacker. You will find these things.
55:48
Speaker 2: I'm not so active. This show is the first one
55:50
Speaker 2: I've done in almost a year, Victor, but yeah, these
55:53
Speaker 2: things are out there, and I'm always looking forward, uh
55:57
Speaker 2: to somebody that's actually interested and serious about it. Thank you, Mike.
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Speaker 1: I'm grateful for you joining us and sharing your experiences,
56:05
Speaker 1: your whole story, and I can honestly say that today
56:08
Speaker 1: I found a new brother.
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Speaker 2: Oh, thank you absolutely.
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Speaker 1: And thank you for joining us on Destination Unlimited. I'm
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Speaker 1: Victor the Voice Furman. Have a wonderful week.