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Yoreh De’ah 180:3-12. Tatoos, Writing On a Hand, Cosmetics, Micropigmentation, Removal; Ripping Hair and Scratching · SHULCHAN ARUCH YOMI: Own the Halacha in 25 minutes a day!

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  Good morning. We are continuing with Kuf Pei,
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  Yeridea, Kuf pei. We're continuing with Gimel.
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  I just want to quickly point out from the last si Iman regarding
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  shame using shading. So there are mentions using you
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  can there's an opinion that allows you to use shameless to
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  swear to the shading to do things for you without doing a
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  mice to swear on pose on them to do something that you make you
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  you make them swear. Now how do you do that?
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  So the base, I mean, this is actually a it's a Khamesh, it's
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  a Pasak almost. It's Rashi, more or less where
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  the end of Khayisara. It says that Avraham gave
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  Matanote to Binay Hapilakshim, which according to Khazal's at
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  least referring to Hagar. Presumably just Hagar, maybe
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  someone, maybe others. OK, so that's the so the the
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  Besiosev quotes are benigeruchen who says it's mutter to use
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  shamus tuma. Those mutanos are shameless, are
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  actually shameless of tuma. And when you use those shamos,
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  that's how you force them to swear.
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  And I don't know what those names are and how to say it, but
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  when you know how to do it, then you can force them.
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  And since there's no mice, he holds its mutter.
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  And that's the opinion that's brought in the Rama.
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  But it's Asur according to the Sholkhanara and the Rama doesn't
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  recommend it clearly. He says it's dangerous,
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  recommends not to maybe Mikharuddin.
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  It's mutter according to the Roma perhaps, But OK.
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  So I wanted to clarify that one. And so yes, Gershwin mentioned
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  it and Mordechai Ness also mentioned it.
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  That sage is what's usser for incense Me stama.
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  Other incense that you buy for fragrance in your house is
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  mutter. Unless of course, there would be
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  Morris EIN perhaps maybe. OK, let's get back to where we
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  are. We're in Sobiskaka, right?
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  If it's to remove a bad smell, you're allowed to but stum just
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  because you want it for this smell that's user because of
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  Marasai could be in the Dareisa If you're doing it with shame of
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  what is our OK, let's get to where we are today.
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  Sobiskaka tattoos Gilmo mutter litaine efer mikla al makato.
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  You are allowed smutter to take burnt ash, maybe a stick that
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  has some burnt onto it. At the end it's a piece of
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  charred wood, whatever it is, and rub it onto an open maka.
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  In other words, it's going to enter normally.
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  The only time tattoos is an isser at least an isser derisa.
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  Perhaps any isser whatsoever is only if you're cutting through
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  the the skin you're puncturing, penetrating through the skin.
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  We'll talk about that in a moment.
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  So that's but why is it mutter Lekhadhila in this case?
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  Because and the reason why you might think it's ASER is because
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  you're making a permanent marking inside the skin that
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  will last forever or a very long time.
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  So then that could be a problem. But why is it mutter?
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  Because Makato Mukhiya Khalaavdi Kumar says you're it's obvious
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  you're doing it for Rafua. So you'll see there's not a lot
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  discussed on explaining this for especially the next sieve.
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  But the Rama, no the Shah points out, because who cares?
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  I mean, he has he asked, I'll ask for him.
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  Who cares that the Makaz Mahiyakalov, if it's Sobit Kaka,
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  if it's an Issa de reisa, who cares why you're doing it?
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  So it says it's clear. The only isser of Sobit Kaka is
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  if it's Mishum Huko Saglain. Some also write it's if only the
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  shame of Arzara. But OK, either the shame of
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  Arzara, it would be Aser, or if it's to be cool like the goyim,
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  you're doing it to show off you like how it looks, then that's
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  when it's in Isser Dar Isa. But if it's not, if it's done
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  for an obvious other purpose, well, if it's done for another
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  purpose, it can't be Aser Dar Isa and maybe not Darabanan.
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  We'll assume it is Aser Darabanan.
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  We'll see, keep reading. But it can't be an Isser Dar
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  Isa. And so here let's read the only
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  time right Lemay say it's OK it's it's you have to stay away
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  from the Varazara and Kuka Saguena Dalid is is important.
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  Read it together together and then we'll a rosham al Abdul if
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  a person now the this is a tocefta.
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  It's not on the Gemara. It's not quoted too many places.
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  No one really explains it, but the way the get Pashit explains
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  it why it's similar and it was Hiroshim.
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  I think it's Pashit Kuli alma. It means making a tattoo.
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  Hiroshim is you're making a permanent mark on your avid
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  through a tattoo. That's Pashit.
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  I think what it's talking about, yes, branding, you know, with
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  the burning on the skin, it'll be permanent or for a very long
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  time. That is ladinus daiti lukuli
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  alma, not an isser soviskaka stomach's an isser darabanan of
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  something but or a spirit of the Torah.
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  But the I don't think there's a technical Issa dar isa that I'm
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  aware of. Well, Koval, there's no blood.
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  OK, when you get there, maybe we'll we'll figure out.
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  Maybe there's an isoderisa. I mean, hurting somebody else.
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  Either way, they're Jewish, makes no difference once they
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  accept the mitzvahs and they it's also for them to put it on
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  you. I mean, you're not allowed to
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  hurt people. That's some level has to be an
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  isoderisa. So whatever it is, but when it
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  comes to we're we're learning the halakhs of Sobiskaka.
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  The Toseft is talking about Sobiskaka and the Toseft is
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  talking about Hiroshima al Abdo Shila yvrakht pater.
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  So let's assume it's an Issa darisa or darabanan for other
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  reasons. But right, we're talking about
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  humans over here and and perhaps animals.
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  A whole other question not for here.
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  We're talking about Hiroshima Al Abdo is for Ksolba Kaka is Mutt
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  is Pater. And then there are my rights and
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  others, Venira de la Chadhila, Miha aser.
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  But it sounds to be certainly user to do La Chadhila.
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  So again, I would say the same for branding, but might be the
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  right so, but we're talking about Ksolba Kaka, it's pater
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  aval Aser la Chadhila. That's the the, the because the
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  the the Tosefta says pater unusually pater of ASR And also
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  it makes sense that it should be anyways, the Maisa we see and
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  and the Postgreme based on that. We've shown him that if you're
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  doing it for any other reason other than Kuko Sagoim and
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  Novara Zara, there's no ISS or there isa of tattoos.
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  But Pashtas all the post scheme say it is Aser Dera Banan, it's
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  still Aser Dera Banan. Pasht is the only one that I saw
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  explain it. It's brought down in the because
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  it's also because of Huka Segle and that's why it's pater and
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  they're not doing it for Huka Segle and there's a purpose for
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  it. Anytime there'll be a purpose
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  here, I'll just mention a word. I think maybe I'll talk about it
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  now. Cosmetics so can it be done for
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  the purposes of cosmetics a permanent anything permanent for
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  the purpose of of OK, so so it seems if it's purely cosmetic,
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  it would be usser on a level of Durabanan.
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  But as far as in this from this is also from Rob Schoenberg from
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  Andafiomi. You meant she brings down micro
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  pigmentation. So it's used for camouflaging,
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  camouflaging scars and or filling in hair loss.
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  It's it's cosmetics, but they do it so it could be done in the
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  upper dermis, which is I sent out a picture which is still
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  deep and sometimes in between the epidermis and dermis and
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  microblading is even higher in the epidermis in a very super,
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  not in the top, but fairly superficial deep down.
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  And so therefore if it's deeper, again it depends on the
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  situation. Often micro pigmentation he
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  writes usually lasts 2 to five years and microblading usually
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  lasts one to two years. So if it's longer, so I guess I
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  would ask you, I would at some point if it's going to be
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  relatively permanent for and again, I think perhaps two to
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  three years is probably a problem.
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  Derabanan. If it's one to two years, not so
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  clear, but very possibly Aser Derabanan, it's ask Yerav bottom
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  line, but a long time is a problem.
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  Let's see, he does write here. He quotes like this.
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  I did not see all the sources inside but he quotes like this.
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  There's also an opinion. Well because of cover habrios
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  and because of busha and because of reminding yourself of a sin
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  you did. If it's emotionally hurts you,
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  so they are. If there's a real need.
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  So then many post schemes say it's mutter but if it's just for
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  the purposes of makeup and cosmetic.
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  So this way it's easier for you. Then he quotes our volyashi of
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  Fischer, Kanyevsky or Wosner or Kurlitz, who all say it's Usser
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  Darabana. So the question is, what's the
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  need? OK.
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  It depends on each person and each scenario.
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  You can use it, you know, sometimes people are missing
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  eyebrows or just, you know, whatever it is, there's scars,
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  things like that. Removing a tattoo, as far as I
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  know, I think everyone says is there's no, there's no heel to
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  remove a tattoo. Question is to remove it.
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  So if you're removing it, if it's with another tattoo, as I
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  guess the earlier technology, now the laser tech, later laser
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  technology, you can just blast away the ink molecules and
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  eventually they decipitate and disappear.
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  If you're covering it with a the same colour of the skin though,
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  it might also be mutter because it's there's no mark, there's
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  nothing that you're seeing that's even if you're putting
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  the skin color paint underneath, but it's now it's matching the
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  skin. So anyways, you can ask your of
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  but the laser technology should be no problem.
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  I would assume the pasha's. The other one would either way
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  would be mutter to remove it. And certainly if there's issues
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  of covetibrios and emotional issues, I think that's pretty
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  much in a nutshell. We we're going to mention Miss
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  Sayea. We kind of had that just someone
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  also pointed out just leaning your arm and putting your arm
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  out. We're going to see similar to
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  getting the haircuts that that's that's what Messaea is.
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  So that's what's Asar darabanan. And if you're not doing it
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  yourself, if you're doing it yourself, sorry, that's it's a
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  Dereissa if or helping Messaea is also Nessa Dereissa.
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  Otherwise it's pateraval asar. OK, now what about OK, there's a
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  discussion. I think we had this yesterday
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  writing with a letter. Maybe that's Darisa is oh, it
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  has to be a letter or a picture. Maybe just a line is Darisa.
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  But certainly there are a bun on that's all.
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  User. OK, one important topic is
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  writing. Let's say you want to write with
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  a pen for tattoos, you know, for general tattoos and cosmetic.
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  We said, as far as I know, the postschem only say it's Smutter.
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  If there's a real need to to make a visible to remove it.
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  Pasha's I think it's OK, but depending on the somebody might
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  be a Machmar, depending on the technique.
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  When it comes to writing on your hand, can you write on your hand
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  so that the men Hassanic writes, there is a discussion if you're
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  going to write on your hand with a permanent marker that doesn't
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  disappear again, the question on Macias what that is, but he's
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  writes anytime you're going to write with a normal pen that
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  with time disappears. That is mutter la khakila.
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  There's no ISTR whatsoever. And the seifer Nishmas Avraham
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  medical doctor, famous son. So he quotes that according to
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  Akhayim Kanievsky, according to Shiva de Levi, according to
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  Rashom Mazam in Arbach, it's mutter la catrilla.
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  And so I've heard from Rav Sauer, I've seen the shame of
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  willed. Anyways, so it's not the cover
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  Dick to write your on your skin, but there's certainly no isser
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  of Tobitkaka, not Deraisa, not Derabanam.
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  It's we don't see anywhere anywhere that someone that
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  there's such an isser derabanam. OK, so that was important.
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  Let's continue. I think we are.
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  I think we're good. OK, Hey, hey, Pessoriate Bisaro
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  Enochayev, El inkin ASA kin al Maito.
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  Now just to do to scratch your skin without we're not talking
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  without ink. So that's a separate isser if
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  it's done because somebody died and you're doing it because
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  somebody died, Ola Avada Zara or you're doing it with shame Avada
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  Zara. So that's not this is not
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  tattoos anymore. This is just Srita without ink.
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  Ella shalmate. Oh haya bin biad bin bakli.
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  Whether you do it with your hand or nails to scratch yourself or
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  with a Clee, a knife or whatever, a blade.
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  So that is usser on for a dead person.
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  Well, Alvora Zara ain't no haya ella bakli, but to be haya 1
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  Ovora Zara, it must be with a Clee and it's a separate lavim.
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  Yeah. 1 is tobotkaka and the pasa.
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  Another one is Lotusratu or whatever.
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  We have to look it up. Let's yeah, there's a couple
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  times there's I think there's in Vayikra and again in Dvarim.
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  What was that? I think it's in shof team and I
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  think it's in M war whatever, whatever.
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  So let's now he I'll just quote out the Shah points out
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  according to the Bach. Oh, wait, sorry, we're not there
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  yet. Almost there.
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  Vav Gadida, usrita al Hamid, asir afilu shaloh, bifine Ahmed.
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  Now, if you're doing right, that's the Pasakalo tigodadu.
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  That's gadida or srita. Now really it's the same gadida
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  and srita is the same maisa, but generally gadida is with a Cle
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  and srita is with your nails. That's just generally, but it's
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  either way. Whatever you do it's an insert
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  or isa if it's on a mate. On a mate they're both asurge or
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  isa. A filo shalabi phenom mate Vav
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  is adding even if you do it not in front of the mate, but you're
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  doing it because of a dead body. Someone you love died.
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  Then you violate Lothiskottudu and the Pasakan srita.
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  OK, is there a time? Well is there a time?
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  Oh, I'm not familiar with someone giving a time frame, but
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  it's I would assume forever. I would assume forever Hagah the
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  altar akher Shari. But if you're doing it for any
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  other tsar, it's mutter Khazal never goes there and there's no
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  isser to do it's on it. Again, they're not recommended
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  practice. But there's no isser dar isa or
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  apparently darabanan for tsar to do a gadido or srita.
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  The Shaktar just points out according to the Bach there is
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  an isser darabanan, but he's arguing that's against the
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  Shokanara khandarama. So OK, Zain yesh mishoman adav
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  ka srita ABO IMA kebiado al besaro ajdamo shotate muta.
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  All right, so this is so this this is your banging on
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  yourself, you're pounding on yourself.
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  You're not doing srita for a dead body, but you're angry.
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  So you're punching yourself until you bleed.
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  So then that's I'm off like this and it seems to conclude with
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  it's ASA, right. This is for a dead body.
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  Of course, Allah, mate, that's the shock writes also and but he
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  says, but if you're doing it for the Torah that's lost and you
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  meet star on the Tarah, that's mutter no, because that's SAR.
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  It's not because the person died, it's because of the Torah
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  that was lost. OK, subtle difference.
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  OK, Hamasari Hamish Hamesh sritot Ahmed ekhad.
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  Oh, Hamisha mateem srita ahad hayeb Hamish.
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  You can get 5 lavin pretty quick.
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  You do it five times for one mate.
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  Oh, but it's different my seem. Or you do it once but you have
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  in mind 55 people who died. OK, Ted Karaka.
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  Who now there's another Pasak we're familiar with is ripping
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  out ripping out hair from one's head.
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  Koraka husha tolisch misa roschel al Hamed mikomakom
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  baroch in order to violate the Pasak.
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  The Issa derisa of ripping out hair again, I'm not familiar
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  with an Issa Derabanon is like on other parts of the body.
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  The only the isser is. To RIP out hair from one's head,
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  anywhere on one's head, it has to be from the head.
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  Bein biad bein besam. Whether you're doing it with
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  your hands, you're just doing it quickly, just just ripping it
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  out, or you're using some kind of ointment on your head, acid
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  to to burn it off. Now how much, how many hairs?
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  Vishiuru Kadeshira Miroshao could grease Panoi Belosar.
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  It has to be in order to violate the Isoderisa.
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  It must be you remove enough hair that you end up with this
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  patch of completely bald spot the size of a of a gris, which
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  is like a bean. What's that size?
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  So we're going to have that again a lot when it comes to
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  Helkasnida. The the the size that's normally
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  given. I seen 19 or I've heard 19 or
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  20mm that's the common size, the size of a penny or the size of
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  an old Ossimon for making a phone call and Eretissell way
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  back. OK, try and find one.
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  OK, let's see. I know Rabbani might to keep it
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  just as when they from borrows down to see what the size is
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  they that's commonly commonly practiced.
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  OK Ted's we read that one right. We're in the middle to grease
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  panel below Sayer that's the first main opinion in the Shah
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  Khanar. Then he adds viyesh omrim
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  stesarot and some say 2 hairs is enough and you violate the Torah
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  Viyesh Misha Omar the isora ika Philo this sayar ahad.
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  And some say no, either there's an S or even with one hair.
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  OK, so not all right, so don't do this and I have to have a
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  little more amuna. It's always very painful, but
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  not to go overboard that shows a lack of a lack of amuna.
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  OK, good. Karakhsha Mishami team in.
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  If you pull one time for five hair, 11 patch for five, you're
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  high of only one. You're right and it's a little
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  different than srita. Very good.
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  OK aval IM karak hamesh, krahot almeet ehrhad khayavako arhas
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  barhas. But if you do it 5 hairs or five
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  places sorry or five, I'm assuming 5 griseem, then you
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  need 5 patches. So then even if it's for one
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  mate, you'll hire five times. You're Aleph akariya Caveiro de
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  Masarid, Mesaro Mesar Caveiro, the Caveiro mesayea.
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  So then one person is doing it to somebody else, whatever it
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  is, right, the korcha or Mesarit and the friend that you're doing
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  it on is helping. He's leaning forward, he's
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  giving you the arm, he's letting you do it.
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  And then he holds still. That's still mesayea IM shneem
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  Mezidim Shneem Loki. And they're they're both did in
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  Esser de Araisa. And if they knew and they knew
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  what they were doing, they get malkos Ehrhad shogig, Ehrhad
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  mesi, a mesi look, and if one was shogig 1 was mesi.
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  So whoever did it be shogig needs to do tuba.
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  Whoever did be Mesi gets lashes. All right, your bet, Gamma
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  Nashim Mazarat, even women, it's usser for them to pull out their
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  hair, to RIP out their hair over a mate haga, the kosher cane
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  vibhala yisra too. And certainly they can't scratch
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  themselves. The yesh lazhiram Shiloh itlushu
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  visari and alamate. One should tell them not to do
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  such Shiloh yavoli de korcha. So they don't reach the karacha,
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  don't even pull out any hair, but then with srita and don't do
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  anything. OK, food for thought to be to
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  violate srita, do you have to draw blood or just scratching
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  the skin without blood coming out?
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  Did you violate it? You let me know by tomorrow.