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Insight- Trump's Digital Concentration Camp — with Catherine Austin Fitts · UK Column Radio

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Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome to the UK column. Today. I'm joined
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Speaker 1: by Katherine Austin Fitz, president of Salari, which publishes a
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Speaker 1: Slari Report, a former investment banker and who served as
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Speaker 1: Assistant Secretary Advising and Federal Housing Commissioner during the first
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Speaker 1: Bush administration. Welcome to the program, Katherine.
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Speaker 2: Thank you, Mike.
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Speaker 3: I'm a great admir of UK colum and I really
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Speaker 3: appreciate everything new and your colleague studio.
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Speaker 1: Thank you very much. I'm going to begin this by
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Speaker 1: asking you for your views on the new Trump government,
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Speaker 1: because a lot of people have been expressing a lot
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Speaker 1: of hope and a lot of hope invested in Trump,
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Speaker 1: and I just wonder do you think that's justified.
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Speaker 3: I have a lot of hope, but not based on
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Speaker 3: anything that Trump had been is doing other than I
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Speaker 3: don't know. My father was a doctor and who used
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Speaker 3: to always talk about how healthy it is when infection
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Speaker 3: rises and all the puss comes to the surface.
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Speaker 2: You know that you have a way of dealing with it.
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Speaker 3: So in that sense, you know, I think there may.
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Speaker 2: Be but no, I don't. I don't place a lot
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Speaker 2: of hope in.
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Speaker 3: I see the Trump administration moving very quickly to build
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Speaker 3: the control grid and to plunder the United States. So
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Speaker 3: I don't have a lot of hope.
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Speaker 1: And is this because of him himself or the people
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Speaker 1: that he has around them?
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Speaker 3: So I think it's a combination of things that First
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Speaker 3: of all, the United States has failed. If you look
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Speaker 3: at the Neokon strategy to build a unipolar model, it's failed,
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Speaker 3: and now any administration has to go through a gut
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Speaker 3: wrenching change. You know, the plan was to maintain a
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Speaker 3: hedge of money against the Chinese. In the last ten years,
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Speaker 3: we've given up an enormous technological leadership in both science
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Speaker 3: and technology, and we failed to implode Russia, which was
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Speaker 3: part of where we're going to get the resources to
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Speaker 3: maintain that hegemony. So the neoton strategy has failed, and
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Speaker 3: that means that we're in for a gut ranging change.
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Speaker 3: But also new technology has changed, and if you look
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Speaker 3: at the tools we were using to maintain the unipolar model,
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Speaker 3: we need new tools. So what you're seeing is getting
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Speaker 3: rid of the old, fleshing out the old tools, and
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Speaker 3: bringing in the new tools. So it's a big change
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Speaker 3: that has to be engineered. And if you look at
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Speaker 3: who's changing it, you know, to me, if anything that
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Speaker 3: the Trump administration is, I call it the Musk operation.
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Speaker 3: So to me, Musk is not a person, it's a theater.
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Speaker 3: It's an operation. I don't know how many actors you
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Speaker 3: have playing Elon Musk, but it's a lot. And if
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Speaker 3: you look at the Musk operation, you know essentially that
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Speaker 3: is a version a portion of the deep State that
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Speaker 3: it's reporting to.
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Speaker 2: I mean, you're watching the deep state go from a.
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Speaker 3: Unipolar model to a multi polar model and in that
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Speaker 3: conversion build the control grid.
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Speaker 1: I have heard you use the word coup recently with
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Speaker 1: respect to the Trump rationion that is that something you
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Speaker 1: really believe? Stand by?
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Speaker 3: Yes, absolutely absolutely, But we've had a financial coup that's
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Speaker 3: been going on since nineteen ninety eight, and the going
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Speaker 3: direct reset. I mean, I can take you through the
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Speaker 3: history and the chronology. This is simply the next phase.
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Speaker 3: So yeah, I mean, I'll give you an example. One
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Speaker 3: of the things you need to build the control grid
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Speaker 3: they want to build is you need to change fiscal
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Speaker 3: policy from being run by Congress to being run by
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Speaker 3: the bankers.
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Speaker 2: And what you do to do that. What you do
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Speaker 2: is you fire.
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Speaker 3: The civil service and replace them with corporate contractors then
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Speaker 3: basically can ignore Congress. So the question is who's going
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Speaker 3: to run fiscal policy is going to be Congress. And
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Speaker 3: to do that you need a civil service which implements
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Speaker 3: and requires instructions we're compatible with what Congress is authorized
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Speaker 3: or appropriate. You know, Instead, if you put in corporate contractors,
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Speaker 3: they will proceed to do and historically have proceeded to do. Essentially,
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Speaker 3: you know, where the central bankers have been able to
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Speaker 3: drive fiscal operations in the government, it's because corporate contractors
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Speaker 3: were there and were willing to act on non written
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Speaker 3: instructions you know, compatible with Congress. So to me, that
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Speaker 3: switching of control of fiscal policy into the hands of
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Speaker 3: the banks is part of a coup.
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Speaker 1: This is something I wanted to just delve a little
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Speaker 1: bit deeper with you because in presentation you give recently,
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Speaker 1: you were talking about the civil service of the United
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Speaker 1: States and talking about the corporate takeover of the operations
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Speaker 1: right and in the United Kingdom. You know, part of
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Speaker 1: the problem that we have is that that our civil
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Speaker 1: service is a permanent civil service that when a new
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Speaker 1: government comes in, that doesn't mean a change of personnel
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Speaker 1: for example, And so you know, we tend to find
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Speaker 1: that policy runs from one regime to the next without
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Speaker 1: really skipping a beat, no matter whether it's you know,
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Speaker 1: blue or red is the color of the team that
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Speaker 1: happens to be in government at the time. Is that
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Speaker 1: the same situation in the US. And if that is
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Speaker 1: the same situation, and you're talking about the corporate takeover
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Speaker 1: of that as being something worse, but how much worse
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Speaker 1: could it be?
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Speaker 2: Actually it could be much worse.
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Speaker 3: So so if the civil service generally tends to do
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Speaker 3: what they have written instructions to do. So let's say
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Speaker 3: you're a new politician coming in a new administration and
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Speaker 3: you want the civil service, which is going to the right,
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Speaker 3: to go to the left. What you have to do
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Speaker 3: is you have to read the written instructions both for
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Speaker 3: the program and then you know the specific written instructions
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Speaker 3: they've been given, and you have to change the program
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Speaker 3: and change the written instructions. And that takes a lot
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Speaker 3: of work, but it can be done. Now, if you
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Speaker 3: have a corporate contractor who's doing, you know what you've
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Speaker 3: ordered to do, is it easier to fire them and
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Speaker 3: put in a new corporate contractor maybe either way you
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Speaker 3: have to give them instructions. The difference is when I
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Speaker 3: was Assistant Secretary of Housing, I would have corporate contractors
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Speaker 3: who were quite willing to do things that were outside
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Speaker 3: the law. So if you wanted things done for the
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Speaker 3: black budget, and you wanted things done for this deep state,
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Speaker 3: by and large, you would have the corporate contractors do it.
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Speaker 3: And what you would sometimes have to do is get
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Speaker 3: the civil service to be afraid of doing things, and
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Speaker 3: then they would go along or they would simply do nothing.
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Speaker 3: But if you're going to operationalize, if you're going to
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Speaker 3: run the federal government, either for the benefit of private
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Speaker 3: corporations or pay private corporations to run the operations so
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Speaker 3: you can you can privatize them. So if you look
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Speaker 3: at a lot of the data or things that are
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Speaker 3: being shut down or data that's being potentially privatized, those
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Speaker 3: are functions that can literally be turned over. So, for example,
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Speaker 3: if you shut down all the bureaucracies that are collecting
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Speaker 3: data on weather doing weather, and you shut them down
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Speaker 3: and the government doesn't do it anymore, then private companies
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Speaker 3: can pick it up and charge people fees for weather services,
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Speaker 3: et cetera. So that's the kind of privatization, including on
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Speaker 3: the just do it method. But what you can also
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Speaker 3: do is you can also buire the civil service and
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Speaker 3: then hire corporate contractors who do that function.
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Speaker 2: But they do that function in.
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Speaker 3: Ways that have reports, so to speak. So they're willing,
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Speaker 3: traditionally my personal experiences, they're willing to do things that
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Speaker 3: don't follow the law.
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Speaker 1: Okay, well, we'll come back onto this a little bit later,
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Speaker 1: but I wanted to move on to to the people
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Speaker 1: that have received quite a lot of attention during the
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Speaker 1: confirmation hearings, and of course that's RFK Junior and Tulsey Gabbard,
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Speaker 1: and I'm just wondering what your thoughts are on them
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Speaker 1: and whether they can actually achieve anything under this regime
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Speaker 1: that we see in place now.
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Speaker 2: I didn't watch the Gabbard hearings.
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Speaker 3: I had said that I wasn't going to watch the
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Speaker 3: j of the RFK hearings, and then I just started to.
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Speaker 2: Watch them and I couldn't stop this. Just did you
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Speaker 2: watch any of the RFK hearings.
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Speaker 1: I've seen a few clips, but they were out of context,
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Speaker 1: so I haven't seen the whole thing by any means.
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Speaker 3: Okay, I probably saw about fifty percent what was shot
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Speaker 3: to me, Mike was watching US senators who refused to
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Speaker 3: face the fact that we have an epidemic of disease
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Speaker 3: among children, which is literally at an extinction level events,
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Speaker 3: refuse to take responsibility for it, refused to face it.
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Speaker 2: And refuse to have a plan.
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Speaker 3: If you have a problem with the candidate for HHS
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Speaker 3: and you don't like his plan, then you know, the
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Speaker 3: way to refute his plan is to have a better plan.
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Speaker 2: They weren't doing that.
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Speaker 3: They were just you know, trying to throw mud at
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Speaker 3: them and grill them upside down one side and down another.
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Speaker 3: And it was literally embarrassing because they didn't you know,
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Speaker 3: it looked like the Senator of the United States was
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Speaker 3: not under adult supervision. With rare exception, there were a
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Speaker 3: couple of senators who were Ron Johnson is always notably terrific,
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Speaker 3: but it was really embarrassing, and it was frightening because
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Speaker 3: you're looking at a society that has gone so far
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Speaker 3: away from any pathway towards success as a civilization.
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Speaker 2: Then to me, it was very scary.
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Speaker 3: Now, you know, I've had many experiences with how bad
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Speaker 3: it is, but the level of denial and the level
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Speaker 3: of indifference to what has become literally a mass atrocity.
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Speaker 3: I mean, we're watching millions of Americans poisoned and disabled,
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Speaker 3: including the children, and here's the richly paid senate doing nothing.
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Speaker 2: It was pretty shocking.
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Speaker 1: Do you think RFK is going to have the ability
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Speaker 1: to do anything about that? Is he going to be
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Speaker 1: able to get these guys into action.
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Speaker 3: What he has said his strategy is, and I believe him,
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Speaker 3: is he is going to do everything he can to
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Speaker 3: get the actual data and get published. You know, so
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Speaker 3: he's talked about radical transparency. If he can do that,
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Speaker 3: it will make a huge contribution. And now that is
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Speaker 3: a very slow, painstaking job. That's you know, that's two
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Speaker 3: to four years in the bowels of the bureaucracy, digging through,
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Speaker 3: trying to get stuff, trying to get it published, et cetera,
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Speaker 3: et cetera.
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Speaker 2: So it's a long, hard job. Can he do it.
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Speaker 3: I think there's a reasonably good chance he can do it.
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Speaker 3: If you look at what's happened in the last week
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Speaker 3: or two, he's being put through an incredible process to me,
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Speaker 3: that's designed to get rid of him. So his first
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Speaker 3: two weeks had been brutal. If you look at what
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Speaker 3: they're doing with measles with MMR and anti Semitism. You know,
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Speaker 3: I don't know the details of who's doing what and
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Speaker 3: how they're trying. It looks to me like somebody's trying
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Speaker 3: very hard to squeeze him out.
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Speaker 1: Okay, well, what's the space and any chance for pacing Ukraine?
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Speaker 1: Do you believe that Trump is actually going to deal
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Speaker 1: with Russia.
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Speaker 3: Here's the thing to remember about Ukraine. Ukraine has been
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Speaker 3: a huge financial operation and a huge money laundering transet.
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Speaker 2: And it looks to me like you have many.
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Speaker 3: Vested interests who whether they're stuck in a debt position
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Speaker 3: or they're stuck with money moving through the Ukraine. Are
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Speaker 3: you know they really they really cannot afford to.
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Speaker 2: Let the US do a deal with Russia. You know.
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Speaker 2: So you have Europe.
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Speaker 3: Somebody just told me, I just talked to somebody in
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Speaker 3: Germany says they're talking about now.
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Speaker 2: Doing a draft.
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Speaker 3: But for some reason, the parties involved or not yet
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Speaker 3: prepared to face the music. And I don't know, Mike,
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Speaker 3: what it's going to take to face the music.
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Speaker 2: I mean, the.
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Speaker 3: Neokhon strategy failed. We've lost and the question is where
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Speaker 3: do we go from here? And for some reason, you
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Speaker 3: have a lot of parties who aren't ready to move
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Speaker 3: forward with a real deal.
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Speaker 2: So I don't know what's going to happen.
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Speaker 3: Trump just shut off shut off all military aids of
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Speaker 3: the Ukraine, so I don't know how much longer Europe
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Speaker 3: can keep them going for you tell me, if the
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Speaker 3: UK is going to put in soldiers, where are they
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Speaker 3: going to get them?
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Speaker 1: This is a very good question. And you mentioned Germany
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Speaker 1: and the draft, and that's absolutely you know, that was
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Speaker 1: a talking point in the UK year ago under the
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Speaker 1: Tory government. It was kind of let slide in the
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Speaker 1: first few months of the Labor government, but that is
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Speaker 1: back at front and center of the talking points. Where
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Speaker 1: are they going to get the men from to send?
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Speaker 1: And it looks like conscription is absolutely on the cards,
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Speaker 1: So we'll see with that one too. But look, let's
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Speaker 1: move on because you're talking about the financial side of things.
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Speaker 1: Let's move on to that then. And you know, one
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Speaker 1: of the other things that the Trump has done already
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Speaker 1: is to stop further development of CBDC in the United
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Speaker 1: States with his Executive Order to establish Digital Assets Regularly
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Speaker 1: Framework as he calls it now. But this executive order
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Speaker 1: is also establishing a working group comprised of the heads
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Speaker 1: of several agencies like the SEC in the CFTC, which
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Speaker 1: is a commodity Futures Trading Commission to be chaired by
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Speaker 1: the President's Special Advisor for AI and crypto And of
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Speaker 1: course they're doubling done in this whole bitcoin and other
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Speaker 1: crypto coin thing. And again this question comes back to
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Speaker 1: which is better the privatized digital currency in the form
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Speaker 1: of bitcoin or the public the public digital currency in
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Speaker 1: the form of a CBDC, or should they all the
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Speaker 1: drop as quickly as we possibly can.
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Speaker 3: So what the control brid needs is an all digital
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Speaker 3: monetary system, and you can do that private or you
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Speaker 3: can do a public. In the United States, a private
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Speaker 3: is much more dangerous. The Central Bank in the United
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Speaker 3: States very different than the ECB in Europe or the
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Speaker 3: Bank of England. But the United States is still under
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Speaker 3: the governance of the Constitution in Congress, and so the
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Speaker 3: Fed still has reporting and disclosure and other obligations to Congress.
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Speaker 3: If you do a private on especially if you take
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Speaker 3: all the government data and give it to a private
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Speaker 3: AI to do a private social credit system, then you're
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Speaker 3: talking about something that is much much more dangerous because
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Speaker 3: you've basically found a way to do the equivalent of
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Speaker 3: a CBDC without disclosure requirements to Congress. So I think,
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Speaker 3: you know, in theory, the way we're headed is much worse.
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Speaker 3: But remember the danger is not a CBDC versus a
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Speaker 3: private crypto. It's an all digital monetary system. And that's
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Speaker 3: you know, So let's go back. One of the things
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Speaker 3: you need to do a digital control grid is you
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Speaker 3: need the digital ID. Another thing you need is the
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Speaker 3: fiscal policy reporting to the bankers. Another thing you need
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Speaker 3: is an all digital monetary system. And the last thing
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Speaker 3: you need is a social credit system. To do the
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Speaker 3: all digital monetary and social credit system, you need mammoth
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Speaker 3: mammoth database and data center structures in the United States,
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Speaker 3: and of course that's stargate. So we saw the President
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Speaker 3: on you know, the first week of his presidency announcing
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Speaker 3: a five hundred billion dollars Stargate initiative for data centers
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Speaker 3: all over the country and with mRNA vaccinations, which presumably
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Speaker 3: is part of creating the Internet of bodies. So you
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Speaker 3: need all those pieces to snap in together, and together
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Speaker 3: what they create is the digital concentration camp. So I
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Speaker 3: would say the private the way that Trump is going
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Speaker 3: about this is far more dangerous than the way the
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Speaker 3: FED was going about it.
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Speaker 1: Where does this leave the Fed?
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Speaker 3: Actually, it's incomplete control. So let me explain how the
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Speaker 3: US government works. Every day, the federal government or every week,
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Speaker 3: borrows money. It operates on a deficit. So it's functioning.
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Speaker 3: It's day to day functioning. It can't function tomorrow unless
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Speaker 3: it gets money, unless it's borrows money. Who runs that operation.
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Speaker 3: It's the primary dealers and the New York Fed. They
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Speaker 3: borrow the money and they put it in the bank
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Speaker 3: account for the Treasury and the agencies in the New
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Speaker 3: York Fed, and they transact their banking transactions.
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Speaker 2: The day the New York Fed decides we're not borrowing
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Speaker 2: money or we're not doing the.
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Speaker 3: Banking transactions, the US government stops. So I would submit
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Speaker 3: that the central Bank is in complete control right now.
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Speaker 3: And we saw at the beginning of the administration there
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Speaker 3: was a great moment, I don't know if you.
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Speaker 2: Saw it, what a political reporter said to J. Powell,
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Speaker 2: the chairman of the Federal Reserve.
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Speaker 3: You know, if Trump asked you to resign, will you
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Speaker 3: And he says no, And he says, well, can the
17:36
Speaker 3: President make you and he said, no, we have a
17:40
Speaker 3: great news series by John Titus that's Hilary co War
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Speaker 3: for Bankocracy, and that video is in the first episode.
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Speaker 3: We're just going to publish the third episode tonight. But
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Speaker 3: that video with the political reporter asking j Palell is
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Speaker 3: in the first episode.
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Speaker 2: It's a who yeah.
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Speaker 1: Well, look, the reason I asked that question is because
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Speaker 1: because uh, Bitcoin, for example, a digital currency based on
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Speaker 1: proof of work, and the work that they do to
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Speaker 1: produce the currency is algorithmic and so therefore related to AI.
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Speaker 1: It's done in data centers with the same types of
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Speaker 1: computer hardware that the AI models are run on and
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Speaker 1: so on. And so the question then is if if
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Speaker 1: the m here is to move towards a privatized digital currency,
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Speaker 1: if that proof of work is being done at a
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Speaker 1: at a state level, then effectively that's equivalent to just
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Speaker 1: printing money. And that's sort of but it's not federal
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Speaker 1: reserve money. So that's why I was asking where that leads.
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Speaker 3: So, if you're going to do a global digital currency
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Speaker 3: or a US digital currency, I mean, right now, are
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Speaker 3: you know dollars are digital? Almost all of our transactions
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Speaker 3: are digital in the dollar system, as it is. But
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Speaker 3: if you're going to use a crypto, you're not going
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Speaker 3: to use bitcoin. Bitcoin is relatively illiquid, the transaction visa
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Speaker 3: relatively high. Bitcoin is perfect for a Ponzi scheme, for
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Speaker 3: a pump and dump, and it's not perfect for a
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Speaker 3: global crypto.
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Speaker 2: And I suspect that's why when.
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Speaker 3: The President announced his intention to do a crypto reserve
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Speaker 3: this last week, he mentioned XRP and two others and did.
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Speaker 2: Not you know, he came back later and included bitcoin.
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Speaker 3: But you know, if there's going to be a social
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Speaker 3: credit system teamed up with a cryptos, it's going to
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Speaker 3: be XRP or one of the ones that's truly designed
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Speaker 3: to be a payment system.
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Speaker 2: Bigcoin just can't work.
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Speaker 3: I mean, you know, if you look at the the
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Speaker 3: exponential increase numbers of times that visa MasterCard could do
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Speaker 3: transactions visa bitcoin, Bitcoin just can't function, you know at
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Speaker 3: that level.
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Speaker 1: Yes, I completely agree with that. Well, let's let's let's
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Speaker 1: move on that to digital idea, because of course that's
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Speaker 1: moving on a piss here in the UK with the
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Speaker 1: setup of the British cup Month's Office for Digital Identities attributes,
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Speaker 1: So has there been equivalent progress on digital ID in
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Speaker 1: the United States.
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Speaker 3: So since the Patriot Act, they've been trying to get
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Speaker 3: something called the real ID adopted, and their latest pushes
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Speaker 3: to do it through the States and insists that you
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Speaker 3: needed to travel, and they're getting very bad uptake, so
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Speaker 3: they keep warning people they can't travel after a certain point.
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Speaker 3: This year, I think it's made, and yet they're getting
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Speaker 3: very poor uptake. But they're pushing hard. And of course
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Speaker 3: Trump is making all sorts of noises with election fraud
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Speaker 3: and immigration on biometrics, and there's push for that, and
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Speaker 3: I'm not current on the latest details on that. I've
20:40
Speaker 3: been trying to work with people at the state level
20:43
Speaker 3: to stop the real ID. I think, you know, I'm
20:48
Speaker 3: hopeful that more and more people are beginning to understand
20:51
Speaker 3: the risk of this stuff. We've seen a real appreciation
20:55
Speaker 3: now for why it's so important to use cash and
20:58
Speaker 3: checks and to keep the financial system analog. And I
21:01
Speaker 3: don't know how you're doing on that in Britain, but
21:04
Speaker 3: people are starting to realize, oh, this technology is more
21:07
Speaker 3: to control it's not really to help us.
21:10
Speaker 1: How we're doing that on that in Britain, well, every supermarket,
21:15
Speaker 1: for example, is doing its best to get rid of
21:18
Speaker 1: manned tills and to replace them with the automated tills.
21:23
Speaker 1: But I am aware that well I do, but I'm
21:26
Speaker 1: aware that lots of other people as well refuse to
21:29
Speaker 1: simply refuse to use the automated tills. So there is
21:32
Speaker 1: still and in fact, the recent data is showing that
21:35
Speaker 1: there has been an uptick, an uptick in the use
21:38
Speaker 1: of cash over the last couple of years, which I
21:41
Speaker 1: think is a positive development. But clearly, you know that
21:45
Speaker 1: is people standing their ground against corporations and the government.
21:49
Speaker 1: I mean, the government is working very hard to make
21:52
Speaker 1: sure that the only connection between us as individuals and
21:56
Speaker 1: the government is a digital connection. They're talking about it
22:00
Speaker 1: introducing the requirement to have digital ID in order to
22:02
Speaker 1: vote and so on. So they're pushing very hard to this,
22:06
Speaker 1: but people aren't buying it just yet. And hopefully that's
22:09
Speaker 1: something that we see in the United States on Europe
22:12
Speaker 1: as well.
22:13
Speaker 3: So one of the things that has really helped preserve
22:15
Speaker 3: cash is the disasters. And when you have disasters and
22:20
Speaker 3: electricity goes down, you know, if people don't have cash,
22:22
Speaker 3: their toast And after North Carolina we saw the Norwegian
22:26
Speaker 3: Central Bank. Norway has been very aggressive at pushing and
22:30
Speaker 3: extinguishing cash.
22:31
Speaker 2: And they announced we're down to three percent cash.
22:33
Speaker 3: And you know something, it's a mistake to go without
22:36
Speaker 3: cash because of what's happening with electricity and disasters.
22:39
Speaker 2: So we're going to roll it back.
22:40
Speaker 3: So the Norwegian Central Back basically said okay, we're to
22:43
Speaker 3: embrace cash and I thought that was an exceptionally positive development,
22:47
Speaker 3: but it only came after many different disasters made it
22:50
Speaker 3: clear to people. There was one great moment, Mike when
22:53
Speaker 3: the governor of the New Zealand Central Bank, after you
22:56
Speaker 3: remember the cyclones in New Zealand, yeah, came out said
23:00
Speaker 3: thank heavens, we had cash.
23:03
Speaker 2: And I turned to John.
23:04
Speaker 3: You know, we have a show with John Titus every week,
23:06
Speaker 3: and I turned them and I said, apparently he didn't
23:08
Speaker 3: get them them.
23:09
Speaker 2: He's not supposed to say that, but.
23:13
Speaker 1: Yeah, yes, okay. Hey. I then, because you mentioned Starget,
23:18
Speaker 1: So my question here is do you think it's a
23:21
Speaker 1: coincidence that the British government so starmer announces exactly the
23:28
Speaker 1: same policy as Trump's Target project. Just just a week
23:31
Speaker 1: before Trump and I Target, both of them established identical
23:35
Speaker 1: projects to build multiple data centers to host brand new
23:38
Speaker 1: AI systems, both under the cover of claims of personalized
23:42
Speaker 1: cures for cancer provided by mRNA jobs. It seems that's
23:46
Speaker 1: too much of a coincidence that we see that on
23:47
Speaker 1: both sides of the Atlantic at exactly the same time.
23:51
Speaker 2: They're both reporting to the same boss.
23:55
Speaker 3: In other words, you know, Trump is no more in
23:58
Speaker 3: charge of the United States. It's the star Wars in
24:01
Speaker 3: charge of the UK, right right, So you know, the
24:06
Speaker 3: question is a could who's you know, where's the operation,
24:09
Speaker 3: who's really making these decisions? But this is a plan
24:13
Speaker 3: and it's being rolled out, So who decisions? You know,
24:20
Speaker 3: I know how it worked when I was in there,
24:22
Speaker 3: and there's always committees. You know, they roll up and
24:25
Speaker 3: they have committees, and they have long term plans and
24:27
Speaker 3: they you know, they implement them, and you know, it
24:31
Speaker 3: comes down through the people who govern and run the
24:33
Speaker 3: financial system. So it comes down in my experience with
24:36
Speaker 3: the central bankers and the BIS. If you if you
24:40
Speaker 3: looked at the G twenty meeting in September September twenty
24:44
Speaker 3: twenty four, you had China, India, Russia and the G
24:49
Speaker 3: twenty all there. You know, in the United States, through
24:53
Speaker 3: India squaring allegiance to the BIS construct of Digital Ideas
24:59
Speaker 3: and CBDC. So you know, there is a planning process
25:04
Speaker 3: that is being run through the BIS and through the
25:06
Speaker 3: Financial Stability Board, you know, with regular meetings and a
25:11
Speaker 3: regular process to do the planning on all of this stuff.
25:14
Speaker 3: And it's been going on for years and years and years.
25:17
Speaker 3: BIS has innovation centers around the world that are working
25:20
Speaker 3: on implementing all of these things, you know, and there
25:23
Speaker 3: are the other international organizations, the IMF, the World Back,
25:27
Speaker 3: the UN all have task forces and groups that meet
25:31
Speaker 3: regularly on this stuff. So you know, I think it's
25:35
Speaker 3: coming down through the central banking and the g twining bureaucracy.
25:39
Speaker 2: That's what it looks like to me.
25:41
Speaker 1: Yes, if we're talking about personalized medicine, it seems to
25:46
Speaker 1: me that personalized medsine it can't be anything to do
25:49
Speaker 1: with providing cures for anything, particularly when we're in an
25:53
Speaker 1: age of increasing recognition that the older generation is unaffordable.
25:57
Speaker 1: That's what we're told of. Sisted dying is seen as
25:59
Speaker 1: a solution that And my question is, you know, is
26:03
Speaker 1: personalized meds and actually about using AI to profile individuals
26:07
Speaker 1: with a view I supposed to to assessing the likely
26:11
Speaker 1: cost of an individual to the system.
26:14
Speaker 3: I think they can do all of that now, and
26:15
Speaker 3: they've been doing it for a long time, and I
26:17
Speaker 3: should call it the database when I worked in Washington.
26:20
Speaker 3: So I think they're doing a calculation on every person
26:24
Speaker 3: all the time.
26:24
Speaker 2: Are you worth more dead than a lot? So? I mean,
26:28
Speaker 2: don't laugh when I you know.
26:30
Speaker 3: So, I'm part of the social security system in the US,
26:34
Speaker 3: and I've fat down and thought long and hard. Should I,
26:37
Speaker 3: you know, should I take social Security? Because then I'm
26:39
Speaker 3: worth more dead than a lot?
26:42
Speaker 2: You know?
26:42
Speaker 3: That will change my formula? So, you know, so I
26:47
Speaker 3: think they're doing all of that now. I think what
26:50
Speaker 3: the what the whole Stargate network will give them is
26:54
Speaker 3: the ability to apply a social credit system in terms
26:58
Speaker 3: of manipulating and managing people in a way where they
27:01
Speaker 3: can extract far more value. And two of the big
27:04
Speaker 3: questions I have, which are you know we have a
27:06
Speaker 3: whole section that we do on unanswered questions.
27:10
Speaker 2: Two big questions I have is if you if you.
27:13
Speaker 3: Look at all the information what's called the Internet of Body,
27:19
Speaker 3: the mRNA technology, you know, Maderna said they're loading an
27:23
Speaker 3: operating system in your body and if you look at
27:25
Speaker 3: the nanoparticles that are in these injections and that are
27:28
Speaker 3: in the food and in the spray that are getting
27:30
Speaker 3: into people's bodies, it seems to be when you read
27:33
Speaker 3: their materials, they're talking about creating an Internet of bodies.
27:37
Speaker 3: And two questions is are they able to store data
27:40
Speaker 3: on human bodies? And are they able to access energy
27:44
Speaker 3: from human bodies? And so to what extent is the
27:48
Speaker 3: data mining operation we're looking at going to include our
27:52
Speaker 3: bodies literally, you know.
27:54
Speaker 2: Think of your body as a server. And I don't
27:57
Speaker 2: know the answer.
27:57
Speaker 3: I've read a lot of materials and try to make
27:59
Speaker 3: sense of it, but I just don't know. But it's
28:02
Speaker 3: clear that they want everything on the planet digitized. I
28:06
Speaker 3: was just looking at a website of somebody who's building
28:08
Speaker 3: the Internet of forests and they're digitizing using you know, nanoparticles.
28:15
Speaker 3: They're digitizing the trees and all the plants and all
28:17
Speaker 3: the animals. So they want to hook everybody and everything
28:21
Speaker 3: up and be able to track it twenty four to
28:24
Speaker 3: seven in real time.
28:26
Speaker 1: And that brings us right back to Elon musk.
28:28
Speaker 3: Now.
28:28
Speaker 1: I was interested in your comments and one of your
28:31
Speaker 1: recent talks where you described Elon Musk as being a
28:35
Speaker 1: defense contractor, and I just wanted to understand a little
28:39
Speaker 1: bit why you said that.
28:41
Speaker 2: His company is.
28:42
Speaker 3: According one of the latest headlines, I think it is
28:44
Speaker 3: Washington Post, his companies have received thirty eight billion dollars
28:48
Speaker 3: of contracts or grants from the US government. Of course,
28:52
Speaker 3: the big one being sax SpaceX is a defense contractor.
28:57
Speaker 2: Right, it's setting rockets up.
29:00
Speaker 3: Yeah, so yeah, so you're talking about I mean, Elon Musk,
29:05
Speaker 3: in my view, is the defense guy.
29:07
Speaker 2: He's a major defents got tractor.
29:10
Speaker 3: So it's just if you and if he's gotten you know,
29:17
Speaker 3: if you look at Tesla, there are subsidies involved there,
29:20
Speaker 3: and he's the biggest recipient apparently Tesla of Chinese government
29:26
Speaker 3: subsidies for electric cars.
29:29
Speaker 2: So he's getting subsidies from both governments.
29:33
Speaker 1: Why is it Do you think that nobody sees the
29:34
Speaker 1: conflict of interest there?
29:38
Speaker 3: Well, here's what's interesting. Let's look at the conflicts of interest.
29:41
Speaker 3: So when I went into the administration, I had to
29:46
Speaker 3: pass a very rigorous ethics policy test. There's a White
29:50
Speaker 3: House Ethics Officer, and there's for any presidential employee. Every
29:55
Speaker 3: presidential appointee has to go through extensive FBI background check
29:59
Speaker 3: and and go through that conflict. So one of the
30:02
Speaker 3: first things that Trump administration did was fire the ethics officer.
30:06
Speaker 2: Okay, Now, then on.
30:09
Speaker 3: All the agencies, I think there were over eleven agencies
30:12
Speaker 3: where Muscus companies were under investigation, had something like twenty
30:16
Speaker 3: plus investigations. I made a list at one point of them,
30:20
Speaker 3: but he had multiple investigations and regulatory actions. What they
30:24
Speaker 3: did is they went in and most of these agencies
30:27
Speaker 3: they fired the inspector general and more often than not,
30:32
Speaker 3: that's the person who's doing the investigation.
30:34
Speaker 2: Right.
30:35
Speaker 3: So one senator said it was the akin to, you know,
30:40
Speaker 3: firing all the sheriffs before the thieves come to town.
30:43
Speaker 3: So you fired and sort of delivered with the doge
30:47
Speaker 3: layoff fears and all the agencies that are doing investigations.
30:52
Speaker 3: Then what we saw was, now the FAA has led
30:56
Speaker 3: a big contract out to Starling, which is part of SpaceX,
30:59
Speaker 3: the Surveill satellite surveillance network, and it truly looks like
31:03
Speaker 3: there is political influence there. But again you can't prove. Now,
31:08
Speaker 3: if you're a government special employee, is it is a
31:12
Speaker 3: crime for you to be involved in anything that impacts
31:15
Speaker 3: your personal profit, and whether it's the conflicts of interest
31:22
Speaker 3: or the cancelation of investigations or regulatory actions or the
31:27
Speaker 3: letting of new contracts, you're looking at potentially massive conflicts
31:31
Speaker 3: of interests and violations a conflict of interest laws. The
31:34
Speaker 3: big one, however, Mike, is that Musk has three companies.
31:38
Speaker 3: One is X, one is XAI, and one is SpaceX
31:43
Speaker 3: And according to published reports, Musk is out in the
31:46
Speaker 3: private markets raising capital for all three companies, when in fact,
31:51
Speaker 3: the transfer of data or the cancelation of these contracts
31:55
Speaker 3: or the new contracts dramatically impact the valuation of those
31:59
Speaker 3: company which is a massive conflict of interest. And it's
32:05
Speaker 3: not going to be a problem because the SEC there
32:07
Speaker 3: was a special Executive Order as this was happening that
32:11
Speaker 3: sort of asserts more presidential control on the SEC, so
32:17
Speaker 3: they didn't fire the SEP Inspector General. But if you
32:20
Speaker 3: look at what they've done, you know Musk is I
32:23
Speaker 3: mean if to be out raising money for those companies.
32:26
Speaker 3: So for example, I mentioned Neuralink is not one of
32:30
Speaker 3: the companies he's raising money for, but getting the people
32:33
Speaker 3: at the FDA who would oversee apparently the approval and
32:38
Speaker 3: oversight of neuralink. You know, getting twenty of those people fired.
32:42
Speaker 3: Big question marks there, so I've never you know, to me,
32:48
Speaker 3: the big one is what does the transfer data? Due
32:52
Speaker 3: to the valuation of his AI company, And it's interesting
32:55
Speaker 3: is AI company x has a deal with Visa and
32:59
Speaker 3: his company has a deal with Palenteers AI company. When
33:04
Speaker 3: he did the deal with Palenteer on January twenty seventh
33:07
Speaker 3: for the grock Ai Xai to team up with a Palenteer,
33:13
Speaker 3: Palenteer stock shot up like a rocket, and Visa stocks
33:17
Speaker 3: shot up like a rocket. So I'm assuming they were
33:21
Speaker 3: just assuming that rock Ai and Xai and the and
33:26
Speaker 3: X were all going to be part of the new
33:29
Speaker 3: think of it as you know, whether it's a combination
33:31
Speaker 3: of social credit or digital money. You're talking about putting
33:38
Speaker 3: in the new control grid and doing it privately through
33:40
Speaker 3: the most operations. He may know a mistake about it.
33:43
Speaker 3: Space X is building one of the great surveillance networks of.
33:46
Speaker 1: The world, right right, So this is an interesting point
33:51
Speaker 1: because you know, one of the reasons that Huawei was
33:53
Speaker 1: kicked off British telecoms networks, and I believe in the
33:56
Speaker 1: United States as well, was because of the perceived national
34:02
Speaker 1: security risk of having Chinese equipment on a network which
34:05
Speaker 1: is going to be dual use, so civilian plus military
34:09
Speaker 1: applications as well. Not in the UK space was the
34:11
Speaker 1: five G network. Starlink is being sold to people, as
34:16
Speaker 1: you know, this great way for people in countryside areas
34:18
Speaker 1: to get access to the Internet. But they're putting up
34:21
Speaker 1: these hundreds and hundreds of satellites. It's it's not just
34:25
Speaker 1: about Internet access.
34:27
Speaker 3: It's a global surveillance network. That's what some people call
34:30
Speaker 3: it sky net, right.
34:35
Speaker 1: The UK's equivalent. You know, the UK has the UK
34:38
Speaker 1: bought a satellite company called one Web a few years ago,
34:43
Speaker 1: beside a business also putting up lower orbit satellites just
34:48
Speaker 1: like SpaceX, and and that system is the system that's
34:54
Speaker 1: being deployed is called sky net. This is what the
34:58
Speaker 1: there you know this is.
35:00
Speaker 3: But perhaps the James Bond.
35:07
Speaker 1: Rubies exactly now, massive conflicts of interest and apparently nobody
35:13
Speaker 1: really paying much attention to that. I mean, what what
35:16
Speaker 1: is going to take and what are what do people
35:18
Speaker 1: need to do to raise the alarm bells on this.
35:22
Speaker 3: My guess is what we're watching is the government simply
35:26
Speaker 3: being privatized so you are watching the deep state strip
35:31
Speaker 3: out what they need and moving a private and building
35:34
Speaker 3: a control grid, and you know, I think what you
35:39
Speaker 3: do depends on where you are. But the reality is
35:44
Speaker 3: we can't look to the government to protect the basic
35:50
Speaker 3: bread and butter of day to day life and the
35:53
Speaker 3: civilian infrastructure. In other words, there's no longer anybody at
35:58
Speaker 3: home who's interested in maintaining a civilized infrastructure in our countries,
36:04
Speaker 3: and that means, you know, we have to make other plans.
36:09
Speaker 2: So this is why it's so important.
36:11
Speaker 3: Whether you're taking action in your home or you're taking
36:14
Speaker 3: action in your community. In the United States, you should
36:17
Speaker 3: be working with the states. There are states where you
36:21
Speaker 3: can get a lot done at the state level, particularly
36:25
Speaker 3: because under our constitution, the states are superior to the
36:29
Speaker 3: federal government in things not delegated to the federal government,
36:32
Speaker 3: and so there's a lot that.
36:33
Speaker 2: Can be done with the states.
36:34
Speaker 3: But you've got to focus on the bread and butter
36:37
Speaker 3: of daily life, which is food, water, shelter, energy, and
36:44
Speaker 3: you can't depend on government to provide those things or
36:47
Speaker 3: to make sure they're being done responsibly. So it's time
36:52
Speaker 3: to get very interested in what your a stinction you're in,
36:55
Speaker 3: whether it's operating properly, and what you can do to
36:58
Speaker 3: make sure it's operating properly, and why you can make
37:01
Speaker 3: you can do to network. One of my favorite quotes,
37:04
Speaker 3: and you've heard me say this might is from the
37:06
Speaker 3: Swiss Doctor said the currency of the future will be
37:09
Speaker 3: relationships of trust. And I think we need to come
37:14
Speaker 3: down to a very close, intimate level and look hard
37:17
Speaker 3: at who can we trust and who can we count on,
37:21
Speaker 3: including to provide the practical.
37:24
Speaker 2: Day to day things that we need in this world.
37:27
Speaker 1: I think that's a really important message because you know,
37:29
Speaker 1: we are constantly bombarded by people saying, well, what can
37:33
Speaker 1: we do? And of course what they're being demoralized by
37:38
Speaker 1: is they're saying this massive juggernaut form and they really
37:42
Speaker 1: don't have an answer to it. But actually the answer
37:45
Speaker 1: is absolutely local, because, as you say, we've got to
37:49
Speaker 1: be building our local communities, we've got to be sourcing
37:53
Speaker 1: our food and what we need on a local basinis.
37:56
Speaker 1: This is something that people aren't doing in an active
37:58
Speaker 1: way at the moment. Was this control grid which is
38:02
Speaker 1: being sold to us, is being sold to us in
38:04
Speaker 1: the form of entertainment, but it's also being sold to
38:07
Speaker 1: this in the form of convenience. You know, it's convenient
38:10
Speaker 1: to use a digital currency, it's convenient to have a
38:12
Speaker 1: digital eVisa scheme, if you want to move to travel
38:16
Speaker 1: to another country. It's convenient to do all these things
38:19
Speaker 1: instead of sitting on the phone for six hours to
38:21
Speaker 1: HMRC or whoever it happens to be. It's convenient to
38:25
Speaker 1: phone your doctor or take an online appointment rather than
38:28
Speaker 1: having to travel to the surgery. We've got the first step,
38:32
Speaker 1: it seems to me, We've got to be willing to
38:34
Speaker 1: be inconvenienced and significantly inconvenienced and demand to be inconvenienced
38:39
Speaker 1: as a first step to dealing with this.
38:42
Speaker 3: So it's funny because when I first realized I first
38:45
Speaker 3: realized this in nineteen ninety eight, I was sitting and
38:48
Speaker 3: I was writing a check on JP Mortgage Chase Private
38:51
Speaker 3: Wealth account, and I my hand frozen, and I said,
38:54
Speaker 3: why am I banking with the bank that's doing.
38:56
Speaker 2: All the mortgage fraud? You know, I need to come clean.
39:00
Speaker 3: So I dramatically, you know, I tried to move everything
39:04
Speaker 3: out of global into local. I tried to move everything
39:08
Speaker 3: so that so that you know, even my furniture was
39:10
Speaker 3: made by somebody I knew, you know. I tried to
39:12
Speaker 3: make everything at an intimate level, and it took a
39:14
Speaker 3: couple of years to make the transition. We've got an article,
39:18
Speaker 3: it's Hilary report called Coming Clean that's about the process.
39:21
Speaker 2: Of going through it.
39:22
Speaker 3: And then one day I woke up and I realized
39:24
Speaker 3: my life is so much more pleasant because I don't
39:28
Speaker 3: have any bad dogs. Bad dogs are out of my pocketbook,
39:32
Speaker 3: they're out of my life, they're out of my health,
39:35
Speaker 3: they're at you know, I've just gotten rid of them all.
39:37
Speaker 2: And so I'm.
39:39
Speaker 3: Dealing with systems and people of integrity. And yes, it's
39:44
Speaker 3: much more low tech, but but you know, high tech
39:48
Speaker 3: isn't faster when you're constantly being defrauded by one player
39:53
Speaker 3: or another or lied to about health therapies or you
39:56
Speaker 3: know whatever. And so so what you want to do
39:59
Speaker 3: is you want to get into very very high integrity,
40:03
Speaker 3: you know, and that involves taking the time to do
40:06
Speaker 3: due diligence and to get to know people and build
40:08
Speaker 3: relationships and everything else.
40:10
Speaker 2: But it's a much I mean, I got to tell
40:12
Speaker 2: you I have a.
40:14
Speaker 3: Great life, and I have a great life because I'm
40:17
Speaker 3: associating with so many you know, my boss is thousands
40:21
Speaker 3: of subscribers all over the world who let me say
40:23
Speaker 3: whatever I want, even if they don't like the fact
40:26
Speaker 3: that I can be negative about Trump, so they get
40:30
Speaker 3: a little ordery about that sometimes. But you know, it's
40:33
Speaker 3: it's when you move all the practical systems of your
40:38
Speaker 3: life to have as much integrity as possible, life gets
40:42
Speaker 3: much nicer because we are watching a civilization that's losing
40:45
Speaker 3: integrity as we speak, you know. And if you think
40:47
Speaker 3: that this information is bad, way till the AI reaches
40:51
Speaker 3: a level of an IQ of six thousand, and it's
40:53
Speaker 3: just viewing one disinformation after another.
40:56
Speaker 2: Seek integrity. Don't worry about convenience.
41:00
Speaker 1: Yeah, start with physical books, physical cash, physical everything as
41:05
Speaker 1: far as I can see. Yeah, okay, well look that's
41:09
Speaker 1: roughly forty five minutes, so that's wonderful. I want to
41:13
Speaker 1: I'd like to leave with one question speaking of central bankers,
41:19
Speaker 1: and that is, huh is Mark Carter you going to
41:22
Speaker 1: be the next Canadian Prime minister?
41:25
Speaker 2: Got to help us? Probably?
41:29
Speaker 3: I just want to point out it's Hilary. We have
41:31
Speaker 3: two great documents. One is called This is for the
41:34
Speaker 3: Americans What the States can do, although if you're in
41:37
Speaker 3: any other country in the Western world, it will give
41:39
Speaker 3: you great ideas and what you can.
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Speaker 2: Do in your country.
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Speaker 3: But the other one is we have a big piece
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Speaker 3: called bitcoin bailout. And if you want to understand why
41:47
Speaker 3: you don't want governments, I mean, if you're going to
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Speaker 3: cut and fire all these people because you need to
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Speaker 3: save money, the last thing you should be doing is
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Speaker 3: turning around and putting it in in speculative assets. So
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Speaker 3: get a copy of Bigoting Ballad or what the States
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Speaker 3: can do. We'll give you tons and tons of ideas
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Speaker 3: and all the different things you can do. And and
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Speaker 3: you know, if enough people start doing it, there is hope.
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Speaker 1: There's a lot of hope, absolutely, And and you know
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Speaker 1: you said some nice things about the UK column at
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Speaker 1: the beginning of this. Selari report is fantastic and it's
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Speaker 1: definitely worth the effort. So if anybody isn't familiar with Selary,
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Speaker 1: do go and have a look and grab a couple
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Speaker 1: of the reports that Catherine's talking about. So, Catherine, I'm
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Speaker 1: going to say thank you very much for joinings. So
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Speaker 1: that's been a really interesting conversation. I think we need
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Speaker 1: to do much more on this in the future and
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Speaker 1: let's see how things develop and let's see how people react.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, especially because if you look at the fact that
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Speaker 3: the you know, stargate is being done at the same
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Speaker 3: time in the same country, you know, it's a it's
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Speaker 3: a it's a plan, and we can see it when
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Speaker 3: we when we integrate cross country.
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Speaker 1: Absolutely, thank you, Catherine, thank you, stay my f