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Speaker 4: It is time for This Gay Week with me, Karel,
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Speaker 4: and Scott Jacobson in the Ukraine. Still, Hungary has some
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Speaker 4: it is time for this gay week. And as I'd
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Speaker 4: like to say, a quick check-in in Ukraine as well.
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Speaker 4: Because I cannot start the show with you in Ukraine
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Speaker 4: and not ask a question that has come to mind.
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Speaker 4: Which is, I covered this on my show yesterday. It
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Speaker 4: appears Elon Musk has chosen a side, and that side
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Speaker 4: is the oligarchs in Russia, because he has stopped Starlink
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Speaker 4: being provided to the troops in the Ukraine on the
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Speaker 4: front line. And that's terrible. First of all, no human
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Speaker 4: should have the power to do that, that Starlink should
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Speaker 4: be nationalized. But beyond that, It's horrifying. Here he said
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Speaker 4: he's going to do it and now he's pulled it
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Speaker 4: back and there's not much Ukraine can do about that. Also,
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Speaker 4: we heard that Zelensky has agreed to this energy ceasefire,
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Speaker 4: but now Putin hasn't. So is Trump once again the
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Speaker 4: great liar in chief? So catch us up on that
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Speaker 4: if you wouldn't mind, Mr. Scott. I can't hear you again.
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Speaker 4: Your audio went away. I mean, you look cute, but no.
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Speaker 4: There we go. Now a little bit. Yeah.
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Speaker 6: Yeah. We were getting bomb all throughout the morning. I
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Speaker 6: was speculating some colleagues that they were probably actually cut
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Speaker 6: off some intelligence. It wasn't a complete thing as far
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Speaker 6: as we can tell, although it was at least partial.
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Speaker 6: And that was primarily around early warning systems. So drone
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Speaker 6: warning systems, where it get some of the missile warnings
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Speaker 6: that we are not getting, which means women, children, the infirm,
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Speaker 6: the old, they would not have sufficient warning in case
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Speaker 6: a missile were to come and land.
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Speaker 4: So wait, let me be clear on this. The Starlink
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Speaker 4: access that the people of Ukraine have is what's fueling
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Speaker 4: the warning system. So if he removes the Starlink access,
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Speaker 4: you're not going to... So if he removes this access,
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Speaker 4: the warnings won't go out?
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Speaker 6: So it's a bit broader than you're framing. So it's
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Speaker 6: both American intelligence and Starlink. So American intelligence are the
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Speaker 6: key for early warning systems, at least for ballistic missiles.
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Speaker 6: It appears to be that the Ukrainians can do it
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Speaker 6: on the drones on their own. There's still some speculation
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Speaker 6: around that, but it seems to be the case. The
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Speaker 6: Starlink is more around activity along the front lines. So
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Speaker 6: there are a lot of operations that were halted, slowed
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Speaker 6: or reversed. due to Starlink stoppage in particular cases. So
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Speaker 6: it wasn't complete. It was around traveling at certain speeds.
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Speaker 6: So that's when they would get sort of a choke
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Speaker 6: on the amount of data that you get through these
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Speaker 6: Starlink systems, which a lot of them are, you know,
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Speaker 6: hooked up to. I mean, a lot of the Starlinks
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Speaker 6: were stolen, hacked, and then used for the Russian side
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Speaker 6: as well. So it's an ongoing issue. We'll see how
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Speaker 6: it evolves until later. next week when we have our
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Speaker 6: next call potentially, but very significant. And if you're not
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Speaker 6: getting missile warning systems, then the chances of civilian deaths
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Speaker 6: increase significantly. In addition, under international humanitarian law, journalists are
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Speaker 6: under that classification as civilians. So therefore as civilian people
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Speaker 6: under or in civilian objects, we should not be considered
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Speaker 6: a legitimate military target to be in violation of international
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Speaker 6: humanitarian law. except under special cases. I don't think any
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Speaker 6: of these are special cases. I don't think bombing a
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Speaker 6: bus and killing 30 people is a special case. It's
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Speaker 6: just state terrorism.
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Speaker 4: And then we heard two other things. We heard that
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Speaker 4: the U.S. had intelligence about an attack that it did
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Speaker 4: not share with Ukraine for some ridiculous reason. That just
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Speaker 4: broke in our news, that United States intelligence knew what
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Speaker 4: Russia was going to do and didn't warn Ukraine. anybody
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Speaker 4: in Ukraine. The second thing is the energy ceasefire. It
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Speaker 4: seems like Trump announced it before he even talked about
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Speaker 4: it with Putin and Zelensky. And now Zelensky and Putin
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Speaker 4: are playing catch up and Zelensky says, OK, and Putin
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Speaker 4: says no. So is this just Trump's folly? Is he just,
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Speaker 4: you know, being him?
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Speaker 6: Well, in some sense, the Americans have more information than either.
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Speaker 4: All right. Scott Jacobson is in Ukraine. I am Carell
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Speaker 4: here in Las Vegas. We're doing this gay week and
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Speaker 4: our Ukrainian checkup. So, Scott, back to the question. Trump announces, which,
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Speaker 4: you know, he announces all kinds of stuff. But he
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Speaker 4: announces energy ceasefire with Russia and Ukraine. And both parties
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Speaker 4: act like they don't know what the hell he's talking about.
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Speaker 4: But then Zelensky says, okay, we'll do it. But then
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Speaker 4: Vladimir Putin says, no, we won't do it because of this, this, this,
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Speaker 4: and this. So is this folly? Is this real? Is
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Speaker 4: it happening? Not happening? What do you have you guys heard?
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Speaker 6: There was no running water. So.
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Speaker 4: So I take it with no power and no running
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Speaker 4: water that changed it.
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Speaker 6: And what do you need to pump the water? Energy.
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Speaker 6: So it's a sick joke, basically. And in addition, this
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Speaker 6: deal between Mr. Trump and Mr. Putin, what party did
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Speaker 6: they not include? Those who are being victimized. I want
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Speaker 6: to make it very clear that the Ukrainians quite balk
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Speaker 6: at the idea of being seen as victims in terms
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Speaker 6: of like a mentality. But being victimized, that's just a
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Speaker 6: fact of the state of affairs. So there are definitely survivors.
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Speaker 6: Some of them are thrivers. Some left the country and
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Speaker 6: some are putting on the front line. But there are
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Speaker 6: sort of ways you can frame it accurately. But Mr.
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Speaker 6: Trump and Mr. Putin were basically trying to make a deal,
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Speaker 6: to put it in apprentice terms, without the main individuals
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Speaker 6: being subjected to the state terrorism by the Russian Federation
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Speaker 6: and Ukrainians.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, CBS News is reporting as of four hours ago,
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Speaker 4: of course, since it's owned by the Ellisons, can we
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Speaker 4: really believe it, being Trump's friend. Oh, God, don't you
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Speaker 4: hate when you click on a news story and then
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Speaker 4: it takes you through a website and an app and
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Speaker 4: approve this and decline that, and it's still not giving
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Speaker 4: me the story. So let's go back to the link.
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Speaker 5: U.S.
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Speaker 4: May have withheld warnings to Ukraine of Russian strikes that
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Speaker 4: killed six. So... We had intelligence and we didn't share it.
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Speaker 4: And even though Trump says we are, we didn't. And
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Speaker 4: so I guess it just goes to him being a liar.
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Speaker 4: You know, I mean, he is. He is a liar.
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Speaker 4: And the New York Times was reporting as of six
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Speaker 4: hours ago that Ukraine says it received no intelligence about
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Speaker 4: strikes two nights in a row. So it goes back
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Speaker 4: to what you were saying, where it's not the Starlink
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Speaker 4: that gives the intelligence about the attacks, but the United States.
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Speaker 4: And we haven't been we failed for two nights to
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Speaker 4: give information. And then people were killed. And the BBC,
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Speaker 4: 14 minutes ago, just posted a story that asked, did
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Speaker 4: the US just withhold intelligence from Ukraine, and does it
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Speaker 4: purposely want Ukraine to be attacked? These are some pretty
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Speaker 4: serious questions being asked by the BBC.
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Speaker 6: These are very serious allegations, even further than that. So Mr. Rubio, he.
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Speaker 6: They did say that they would probably do this. And
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Speaker 6: so if so, then their words do have force. It's
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Speaker 6: always good you know what they're going to be standing
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Speaker 6: for and that they'll say what they're going to do.
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Speaker 6: which isn't necessarily always the case in geopolitics or in
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Speaker 6: Eastern Europe with leadership. And so doing what you say
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Speaker 6: you're going to do, it lets you know that there
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Speaker 6: are serious players on that level. The way in which
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Speaker 6: they're doing it is a sort of twisted logic. basically
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Speaker 6: be complicit in what we're telling you to do, or
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Speaker 6: we'll make it vulnerable for civilians. And civilians... Is it this.
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Speaker 4: Okay, let's just cut through the bullshit here. Trump wants
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Speaker 4: Russian diesel, so now he's sucking up to Putin, and
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Speaker 4: he's throwing Ukraine under the bus. I mean, that's what's
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Speaker 4: happening here. It's just that.
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Speaker 6: Well, the deal is going to Americans and also to
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Speaker 6: gold markets. It's both. But at the same time, It's
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Speaker 6: nice to have a scapegoat how much diesel is actually
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Speaker 6: coming out that would go to farmers and truckers and
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Speaker 6: so on.
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Speaker 5: None!
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Speaker 4: I just read a report from the National Energy Council
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Speaker 4: that says this will not lower diesel prices in the U.S.
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Speaker 4: one bit. I just read it. It said this will
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Speaker 4: not bring down diesel prices in the United States at all.
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Speaker 4: So it's all.
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Speaker 6: So it's all a show.
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Speaker 4: It's performative for the midterms. He knows he's going to
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Speaker 4: get slaughtered in 21 days.
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Speaker 6: I made a commentary today or recently. It's all bullshit, quote-unquote.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, it would appear such. And what does that do
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Speaker 4: for you? They're on the ground. We're supposed to be
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Speaker 4: giving intelligence. We're not. Missiles are flying. You guys don't
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Speaker 4: know it. Starlink is spotty. You know, I mean, what
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Speaker 4: does this do to the average Ukrainian?
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Speaker 6: You sit at night. You try to sleep. There's no warning.
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Speaker 6: You hear a missile explode. You think maybe some people
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Speaker 6: are killed. Probably some injured.
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Speaker 4: You haven't slept much, have you?
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Speaker 5: No. Yeah, no.
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Speaker 4: You don't look. You don't look like you have. No offense.
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Speaker 4: Last week, you looked very coiffed and cute and very groomed.
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Speaker 4: And today, you look like someone who's living in a
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Speaker 4: war zone. Although you keep having great backgrounds, I love
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Speaker 4: the texture of the throw behind you. It's absolutely fabulous.
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Speaker 4: Or the fabric of the sofa or whatever that is.
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Speaker 4: It's so vintage.
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Speaker 6: It's got tassels, too.
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Speaker 4: Oh, it's gorgeous. It's like right out of Bridgerton or something.
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Speaker 4: It's absolutely beautiful. Or my living room, which someday I
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Speaker 4: hope you see. I hope someday you make it to
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Speaker 4: Las Vegas or wherever I am in the world. All right,
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Speaker 4: I guess we should move on to gay issues, but
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Speaker 4: I'm pissed at Elon Musk. Fuck him, you know, really.
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Speaker 4: I mean, fuck him. He should be increasing help to Ukraine,
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Speaker 4: not decreasing. But he's an oligarch, and he's helping another oligarch.
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Speaker 4: And I'm pissed at Donald Trump, A, for announcing a
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Speaker 4: deal that was nowhere even near made, and B, for
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Speaker 4: not sharing the intelligence. That is not accidental. Um, that
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Speaker 4: is something that I think he's doing to please the
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Speaker 4: guy that he wants the diesel from. Uh, so yeah,
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Speaker 4: but we do have a piece of good news, so
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Speaker 4: we can start with the good news. Uh, and, and, um,
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Speaker 4: there's been a lot of good news out of Hungary, uh,
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Speaker 4: when it comes to LGBTQ people, because the new, very handsome, uh,
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Speaker 4: person who replaced Viktor Orban, um, In other words, he
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Speaker 4: ran on a policy that he heard the people speak.
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Speaker 4: One of the things the people said was, we want
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Speaker 4: you to repeal these anti-gay laws. And now that he's
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Speaker 4: in office, he is actually starting to do that. The
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Speaker 4: Hungarian National Assembly voted yesterday to repeal the anti-LGBTQI provisions
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Speaker 4: that were introduced in 2021, the propaganda law. We have
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Speaker 4: spoken a lot about these propaganda laws on the show,
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Speaker 4: and what they are is just another way to attack
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Speaker 4: gay people or their allies and call any kind of
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Speaker 4: dissemination of anything about gay people, whether it's here's a
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Speaker 4: clinic or here's some AIDS information or whatever, to just
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Speaker 4: label it all propaganda. Because when you do that, it
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Speaker 4: vilifies the people, it prevents communication, all this other stuff.
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Speaker 4: But the new amendment allows LGBTQ people and their stories
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Speaker 4: to reappear in media and thus the public eye. And
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Speaker 4: comprehensive LGBTQI inclusive sex education can finally return to schools
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Speaker 4: in Hungary. While the legislative amendments remove legal barriers, the
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Speaker 4: chilling effect of the 2021 law had had on society
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Speaker 4: will not disappear overnight. And I think that's the bigger issue.
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Speaker 4: In other words, you know, in 2021, they passed these
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Speaker 4: very restrictive propaganda laws. They took teaching about being LGBTQ
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Speaker 4: out of schools. They stopped safer sex education. They did
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Speaker 4: all of that. And that, of course, swung the mood
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Speaker 4: of the people to be kind of anti-gay. And, you know,
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Speaker 4: as it would, the bully pulpit. And now they've repealed it,
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Speaker 4: but it's going to take a minute for public opinion
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Speaker 4: and for institutions to catch up. Would you agree?
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Speaker 6: Yeah, I think that's generally true. I think I made
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Speaker 6: this point maybe in the last session or the session
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Speaker 6: before that. If you want to heal a wound, you
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Speaker 6: first have to remove the thorn, and the stitches take
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Speaker 6: time to heal themselves. And then, you know, basically if
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Speaker 6: you want to cure someone, take the poison out and
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Speaker 6: let their body recover. It takes time.
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Speaker 4: Now, you know, out of Hungary... They still have a
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Speaker 4: ban on legal gender recognition. That needs to be lifted.
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Speaker 4: And the Hungarian fundamental law still contains passages that stigmatize
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Speaker 4: trans people and rainbow families. Additional provisions aimed at implementing
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Speaker 4: the propaganda law, particularly the government decree mandating the wrapping
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Speaker 4: of books containing gay content in plastic like they could
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Speaker 4: spray book condoms. And restricting their distribution need to be repealed.
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Speaker 6: I didn't know everyone was Everyone in Hungary was running
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Speaker 6: these bookshops like a 1990s North American grandmother.
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Speaker 4: No, it wasn't the 90s, honey. It was the 60s
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Speaker 4: and the 70s that we had plastic on the furniture.
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Speaker 4: I know, because we had plastic on our furniture.
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Speaker 6: And wasn't it the extra loud plastic, too?
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Speaker 4: It was really thick plastic. It was, yeah. And what
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Speaker 4: was so funny is you mentioned grandparents. Okay, so young
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Speaker 4: people had the new see-through plastic on their furniture. Please
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Speaker 4: don't ask me why. It was uncomfortable. You slid all around.
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Speaker 4: It was fun for orgies because with lube, you would
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Speaker 4: just slide everywhere.
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Speaker 6: Sure, of course.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, you know.
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Speaker 3: But.
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Speaker 4: If you were at an older person's house, the plastic
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Speaker 4: was kind of cloudy. And sometimes you couldn't even see
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Speaker 4: the pattern of the fabric below because the cloudy plastic was,
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Speaker 4: you know.
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Speaker 5: Oh, no.
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Speaker 4: And the plastic would get where, you know, you would
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Speaker 4: see the indentation of where Grandma sat for, you know.
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Speaker 4: It's like....
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Speaker 6: Grandma, grandpa.
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Speaker 4: Oh, you just brought up a childhood memory because I was,
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Speaker 4: you know, a kid in the 60s. I was born
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Speaker 4: in 62. So in like 69, 70, it was everywhere.
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Speaker 4: Oh my God. If your dog sat still too long,
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Speaker 4: they covered him in plastic. I mean, it was everywhere.
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Speaker 4: But now we have gay books being covered in plastic.
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Speaker 4: I guess you can get the cooties or something. I
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Speaker 4: don't know what. Something leaks out of them. Knowledge leaks
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Speaker 4: out of them. So we mustn't have that. Uh, but yeah. Okay.
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Speaker 4: But that is good news. We're going to take the
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Speaker 4: good news. There's, there's a positive movement in Hungary and
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Speaker 4: I can honestly say as a gay person now, I
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Speaker 4: would feel a little bit better about going to Hungary. They're,
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Speaker 4: they're trying, they're, they're moving forward. Would there still be discrimination?
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Speaker 5: Yes.
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Speaker 4: Would there still be maybe danger? Yes, but not as
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Speaker 4: much as in the South of the United States. Um,
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Speaker 4: We have spoken about Senegal so much, and it appears
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Speaker 4: that every week, Senegal, which is one of more than
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Speaker 4: 30 African countries that criminalize same-sex activity, are just ramping
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Speaker 4: up more and more and more. And Human Rights Watch
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Speaker 4: came out with a warning Monday that government crackdown in
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Speaker 4: Somalia is fueling stigma, driving people into hiding, discouraging access
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Speaker 4: to HIV testing and treatment. 212 people have been arrested
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Speaker 4: between February and July. Another organization puts that above 300.
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Speaker 4: They haven't been confirmed officially. The new law, which was
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Speaker 4: passed by Parliament, doubles prison sentences for homosexuality to between
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Speaker 4: 5 and 10 years. It also criminalizes the promotion or
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Speaker 4: financing of homosexuality. I don't even know what that means,
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Speaker 4: the promotion and financing. What does that mean? I haven't
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Speaker 4: been paid to be gay in my entire life. You
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Speaker 4: mean I could be getting money? Yeah. Is there someplace
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Speaker 4: I can go in the world to be paid to
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Speaker 4: be this gay?
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Speaker 6: And if you could, please.
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Speaker 4: And if I'm gayer, if I could be gayer in
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Speaker 4: some way, could I get more money? Is it like
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Speaker 4: a tiered? Do drag queens make the most?
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Speaker 6: It's like, I mean, is that why there's a great system?
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Speaker 4: Is that why there's so many drag queens now? The
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Speaker 4: benefits are greater if you're a drag queen. Where do
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Speaker 4: lesbians fall on this scale? How gay are they? Anyway, yeah. Um,
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Speaker 4: now being gay has been criminalized in Senegal since 1965.
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Speaker 4: Isn't that funny? I mean, it wasn't criminalized until I
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Speaker 4: was three years old. Why was it not illegal before then?
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Speaker 4: Why didn't they care before then? Could it be Western influencers, colonizers,
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Speaker 4: money from religious rights groups in the United States that
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Speaker 4: started pouring in? Could it be?
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Speaker 5: I wonder.
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Speaker 4: But probably. So can we both just agree that if
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Speaker 4: you're gay, probably don't go to Senegal? Is that, I'm
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Speaker 4: you know.
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Speaker 6: Don't go to several African 31 yeah 31.
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Speaker 4: There's 31 of them don't just don't go but if
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Speaker 4: you're there see here's the problem I'm flippant about that
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Speaker 4: but unfortunately people are born gay And that means mothers
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Speaker 4: in Senegal are having children today that are going to
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Speaker 4: grow up to be gay. And 20 years ago, women
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Speaker 4: in Senegal had children who are now gay. And a
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Speaker 4: lot of them don't have the resources to leave. They're
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Speaker 4: literally stuck there. You know, I don't know that the
20:26
Speaker 4: Rainbow Railroad pays for people to leave. I know they
20:29
Speaker 4: help people leave, but I don't know if they have
20:31
Speaker 4: a fund to actually pay for to get them out
20:35
Speaker 4: of these countries, because that's really what needs to happen
20:37
Speaker 4: right now. We need to have organizations that are actually
20:40
Speaker 4: paying to help people like me, people that cannot hide it.
20:44
Speaker 4: You know, if I were in Senegal, we know where
20:47
Speaker 4: I'd be. I'd be in jail doing cell block tango, honey.
20:50
Speaker 4: He had it coming. He had it. I mean, you know,
20:53
Speaker 4: that's where I'd be when you're a good mama. Obviously,
20:58
Speaker 4: you don't know the place, Chicago, but that's okay. You're heterosexual.
21:02
Speaker 4: I'll forgive you for not knowing show tunes. And you're
21:05
Speaker 4: in the middle of a war and you haven't slept.
21:06
Speaker 4: So I'll forgive you. But there are people in Senegal
21:12
Speaker 4: and those other 30 countries who don't want to be
21:15
Speaker 4: there and through no choice of theirs are there. They
21:19
Speaker 4: were born there and they were born poor. And that's
21:23
Speaker 4: who this really hurts, these kind of laws. Let's be real.
21:26
Speaker 4: If you're 23, you're in Senegal and you realize you're
21:28
Speaker 4: gay and you have resources, you can get out. You know,
21:31
Speaker 4: you can go to another country and, yeah, leave your family,
21:35
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21:37
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21:53
Speaker 2: You have to be proud with hatred.
21:58
Speaker 4: Hey everyone, it's Carell. You know, Pride Month was rough
22:01
Speaker 4: this year. We had a lot of hate heaped upon
22:03
Speaker 4: us from Trump, from MAGA, and from other governments around
22:07
Speaker 4: the world. And if you are a trans person, you
22:10
Speaker 4: are really going through a particular type of hell right now.
22:13
Speaker 4: That's why when I was thinking of my next single
22:15
Speaker 4: in June, I sat down and I wrote, you have
22:18
Speaker 4: to be proud. You have to be proud with anger
22:22
Speaker 4: so loud. Streaming everywhere. Keep fighting. Keep singing. Keep dancing.
22:28
Speaker 4: We're going to win. All right, this morning in the park,
22:42
Speaker 4: this morning, no, it was yesterday, it was yesterday. Wednesday
22:45
Speaker 4: morning in the park, I saw this couple walking, and
22:49
Speaker 4: the back of her shirt said, I love King blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
22:56
Speaker 4: And so I asked her, who is King blah, blah, blah, blah, blah,
22:59
Speaker 4: and why do you like him? And they said, oh,
23:01
Speaker 4: King of Thailand, very good king. And I was like, oh, okay.
23:04
Speaker 4: And she goes, you been to Thailand? I said, no.
23:07
Speaker 4: She goes, oh, Thailand, very lovely. I said, yeah, I
23:09
Speaker 4: want to go to Phuket. I hear that it's fun
23:12
Speaker 4: if you're gay. Oh, yes, gay people love in Thailand.
23:15
Speaker 4: We love gay people. And I thought, oh, that's pretty cool.
23:19
Speaker 4: And then you go and send me this story, Scott.
23:21
Speaker 4: So why don't you, Scott Jacobson in Ukraine, I am Carell,
23:25
Speaker 4: tell us why Thailand has got a mark against it
23:28
Speaker 4: now when it comes to LGBTQ people.
23:32
Speaker 6: Well, it's Taipei, Taiwan.
23:36
Speaker 4: Oh, I'm sorry. I thought it was Thailand. I'm sorry.
23:40
Speaker 4: It's okay.
23:40
Speaker 6: It's okay.
23:42
Speaker 5: Oh, good.
23:43
Speaker 4: Well, then Thailand's still good. The lady in the park
23:48
Speaker 4: will be happy to hear that.
23:50
Speaker 6: I'm just imagining, although I think they were Japanese, that
23:56
Speaker 6: Mike Meyer is seen as Austin Powers.
24:00
Speaker 4: And fuck me. Wait, I'm not being racist. That is
24:07
Speaker 4: how she spoke to me yesterday morning. Oh, Thailand, very good.
24:09
Speaker 4: That's how she spoke. I'm not good at imitating. I
24:14
Speaker 4: don't do well. Andrew used to always say whenever I
24:17
Speaker 4: tried to do an accent and always ended up somewhere
24:19
Speaker 4: between Asian and God knows what. If I was trying
24:22
Speaker 4: to be German or French or whatever, I don't. I
24:25
Speaker 4: just watch Below on Netflix and it's Josh Hartnett who
24:28
Speaker 4: doesn't know he should marry me. And it said in Newfoundland, oh,
24:34
Speaker 4: you'll like this. And so they speak in Newfoundlandese, which
24:40
Speaker 4: is a pretty weird kind of accent. And they say
24:43
Speaker 4: words that we don't say and they say them in
24:45
Speaker 4: orders that we don't say them in. So it's English
24:49
Speaker 4: and you can understand it, but it's different.
24:55
Speaker 6: It's this Canadian stereotype. I had this conversation with an
24:59
Speaker 6: old boss out of Britain for a British publication. And
25:02
Speaker 6: basically we came to the conclusion that the stereotype he
25:05
Speaker 6: had of Canadians was Newfoundland speak. And my stereotype of
25:11
Speaker 6: Britain was Cockney accent. And so, you know, it's very
25:17
Speaker 6: distinct version of Canadian English.
25:20
Speaker 4: Yeah. I don't know how Matt did it. He should
25:22
Speaker 4: get an Emmy because, you know, truly, I mean, he,
25:27
Speaker 4: I was like, how is he speaking? He was really
25:30
Speaker 4: good at it. And one of the actors from Stranger
25:33
Speaker 4: Things went on Jimmy Fallon and actually quizzed Jimmy about
25:37
Speaker 4: Newfoundland phrases and what they meant. And Jimmy had no
25:40
Speaker 4: idea what it meant.
25:42
Speaker 8: Well, Canadians probably generally don't.
25:46
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah.
25:47
Speaker 6: I figured that.
25:48
Speaker 4: So back to Taiwan. What's going on in Taiwan? Which Taiwan,
25:51
Speaker 4: by the way, is also very LGBTQ friendly. So just
25:56
Speaker 4: like Thailand, Taiwan is also a very friendly place for gays.
26:00
Speaker 4: Or is it? So what's going on there?
26:03
Speaker 6: So there's a police raid on Taipei's Commander D.
26:06
Speaker 5: Gaybar.
26:06
Speaker 6: It prompted allegations of unlawful searches, humiliating treatment, and improper detention.
26:12
Speaker 6: Several officers have faced disciplined while advocates are demanding institutional
26:17
Speaker 6: reform rather than individual or even department-wide discipline. So looking
26:22
Speaker 6: at tensions between celebrated LGBTQ plus inclusivity alongside paradoxical discriminatory
26:30
Speaker 6: policing before the annual Pride parade. So there's a tension.
26:34
Speaker 4: Yeah, and the weird thing is that the raid occurred
26:37
Speaker 4: four weeks before their Pride celebration, which has been fully permitted.
26:42
Speaker 4: The city is behind. They have a rainbow sidewalk. I mean,
26:45
Speaker 4: they have more gay rights than we do. We can't
26:47
Speaker 4: even have a rainbow sidewalk anymore. And they have a
26:50
Speaker 4: rainbow sidewalk in Taipei. And so it's, you know, there
26:55
Speaker 4: is often a gap between public opinion and institutions. As
27:02
Speaker 4: Thomas Jefferson once said, I am not an advocate for
27:05
Speaker 4: frequent changes in laws and institutions, but laws and institutions
27:09
Speaker 4: must change with the advent of the human mind. Yes,
27:12
Speaker 4: I can quote Jefferson, motherfuckers. Anyway, so a lot of
27:18
Speaker 4: times institutions lag behind the public in terms of their behavior.
27:27
Speaker 4: It appears the police here were lagging behind. By the way,
27:32
Speaker 4: to the Taiwanese credit, the police are taking this seriously.
27:37
Speaker 4: They've looked into it. They're having a full investigation. They've
27:41
Speaker 4: reprimanded the officers. Taiwan has built a reputation as one
27:46
Speaker 4: of Asia's most LGBTQ-friendly societies, which in Asia is saying
27:50
Speaker 4: something because we have covered many times that Malaysia and
27:55
Speaker 4: other places are not very gay-friendly. but Taiwan is.
27:59
Speaker 6: Yeah, we're on this kind of stuff for several years now.
28:01
Speaker 3: Yeah.
28:02
Speaker 4: So it was the first in Asia to legalize same-sex
28:05
Speaker 4: marriage back in 2019. So it's only been legal there
28:08
Speaker 4: for seven years, but it is legal. For queer travelers
28:11
Speaker 4: from countries in the region where same-sex relations are stigmatized,
28:14
Speaker 4: Taipei has become a liberal bastion. So it's sort of
28:16
Speaker 4: like a safe space for Asians in the area to
28:20
Speaker 4: go to. The island boasts Asia's largest pride parade, which
28:25
Speaker 4: has about 150,000 people that attend it. That's more than
28:29
Speaker 4: here in Las Vegas, that's for sure. Now, police visits,
28:34
Speaker 4: I'm told, are not unusual in Taipei clubs. They often
28:38
Speaker 4: check IDs, and that's about it. They come in, they
28:42
Speaker 4: check IDs, and they go. But this time they had
28:45
Speaker 4: a search warrant, and they went in and hassled patrons,
28:52
Speaker 4: more than 30 of them. So that's a big show
28:55
Speaker 4: of force. which included uniformed and plainclothes officers, flooded Commander D,
29:01
Speaker 4: which is the name of the gay bar, around 4.30,
29:04
Speaker 4: stopping the music, turning on the lights. Well, right there.
29:07
Speaker 4: My God, if you turn on the lights, you know,
29:09
Speaker 4: that's not good. Videos shared on social by others showed
29:13
Speaker 4: officers ordering customers to squat down and to put away
29:17
Speaker 4: their phones. I don't know what the squatting was about.
29:21
Speaker 4: Did they think they had contraband up their wahoo? I
29:23
Speaker 4: don't know. Police told the media they found used condoms
29:28
Speaker 4: and that some of the customers were nude. Those not
29:31
Speaker 4: wearing clothes were not allowed to put them back on,
29:34
Speaker 4: while those who had hastily gotten dressed were made to
29:36
Speaker 4: remove their clothes to preserve evidence. So they went into
29:40
Speaker 4: a gay bar and got all the queers naked.
29:43
Speaker 6: And those who tried to get dressed, they said, no, no, no, no,
29:49
Speaker 6: you stay naked.
29:50
Speaker 4: Yeah, who's organizing this? Pete Hagsworth?
29:52
Speaker 6: No, no, we'll go halfway. You put on a t-shirt,
29:54
Speaker 6: make it red, and you can host a podcast.
29:56
Speaker 4: Sounds like Pete Hagsworth is organizing this. Because God knows
30:00
Speaker 4: he's gayer than I am. Officers mocked a man for
30:03
Speaker 4: being in a wheelchair, questioning whether he was able to
30:06
Speaker 4: have sex or not. They seem a little preoccupied with
30:09
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30:11
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30:13
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31:44
Speaker 4: So, Scott, here's the problem with a couple of what happened.
31:48
Speaker 4: First of all, the warrant entitled them to go in
31:50
Speaker 4: and search. It did not entitle them to get everybody naked.
31:54
Speaker 4: It did not entitle them to search everybody's belongings, which
31:58
Speaker 4: they did. It did not entitle them to do drug
32:01
Speaker 4: tests on everybody, which they did. In Taiwan, they can
32:05
Speaker 4: only perform a drug test after an arrest. and it
32:09
Speaker 4: did not entitle them to bring the 51 people that
32:12
Speaker 4: they did down as, quote, witnesses, unquote, and treat them
32:16
Speaker 4: like suspects, drug testing them, searching their belongings, preserving their
32:21
Speaker 4: clothing as evidence. The police also blurred the lines between
32:25
Speaker 4: witnesses and suspect. They just treated everyone inside the bar
32:29
Speaker 4: as if they were a suspect and not a witness.
32:32
Speaker 4: A witness cannot be detained unless they fail to appear
32:35
Speaker 4: without good reason after being formally summoned. So they didn't
32:40
Speaker 4: summon any of these witnesses downtown. If they were to
32:43
Speaker 4: be witnesses, they were allowed to go on their own. Instead,
32:45
Speaker 4: they were not allowed to go on their own. They
32:47
Speaker 4: were taken by the police. And as for the nudity,
32:50
Speaker 4: the Social Order Maintenance Act requires more than mere nudity
32:53
Speaker 4: to qualify as an offense, including contact that offends public
32:57
Speaker 4: decency and continues despite a warning. So even if they
33:01
Speaker 4: were naked when they went in, that's not enough in
33:04
Speaker 4: Taiwan to be a crime. If they were told to
33:06
Speaker 4: get dressed and stop their behavior, then that's it. It's
33:09
Speaker 4: not actionable. So they acted on things that were not actionable.
33:14
Speaker 4: They detained people that they did not have the legal
33:16
Speaker 4: right to detain. They drug tested people that they did
33:20
Speaker 4: not have the legal right to drug test. And they
33:22
Speaker 4: took people downtown and apprehended people as witnesses, which was
33:26
Speaker 4: beyond their jurisdiction to do. So clearly the gay people
33:30
Speaker 4: have noted this was just plain harassment. And obviously it was.
33:40
Speaker 4: Are you still picturing.
33:40
Speaker 6: I have nothing really to add to that.
33:42
Speaker 4: Are you picturing 100 naked Taiwanese people squatting at a
33:45
Speaker 4: gay bar? Is that what you're picturing?
33:48
Speaker 6: I know people in the humanist community who are leaders
33:51
Speaker 6: with regards to that. I might have given a lecture
33:53
Speaker 6: at one point via Zoom to part of the humanist
33:56
Speaker 6: community there, and they have LGBTQ friendly stuff. It's a
33:58
Speaker 6: big part of that type of community. So, you know,
34:03
Speaker 6: if you're a police officer, stick within the boundaries of
34:07
Speaker 6: the the obligations you have and the warrant you have
34:13
Speaker 6: been given. If you're LGBT and you're being harassed, call
34:17
Speaker 6: them on it.
34:19
Speaker 4: Amen. Although we as gays have learned if you call
34:22
Speaker 4: them on it, sometimes you end up beaten, arrested, hurt,
34:25
Speaker 4: or dead, even in this country, especially in this country. Okay,
34:31
Speaker 4: now here's something I don't understand. I don't understand. And
34:33
Speaker 4: let me tell you why I don't understand this, okay?
34:36
Speaker 4: I watch NHK World religiously. I see it every day.
34:40
Speaker 4: That's a news channel out of Japan. And I have
34:43
Speaker 4: a very favorable image of Japan and its people. They
34:47
Speaker 4: seem very welcoming, very kind. And I know they have
34:51
Speaker 4: their problems, of course. But as a country, I see
34:56
Speaker 4: them as very respectful. Respectful would be a word I
35:01
Speaker 4: would use. educated also. They pride themselves in education. I
35:08
Speaker 4: find this story troubling that you sent about Japan's basic
35:12
Speaker 4: plan skirting the real reform for gay rights. And what
35:15
Speaker 4: I find troubling is I really thought Japan had more
35:19
Speaker 4: protections for gay people than it does. I also thought
35:22
Speaker 4: same-sex marriage would probably be legal in Japan. It isn't.
35:27
Speaker 4: And so this is troubling to me because here you
35:30
Speaker 4: have a nation of very educated people. Yes, steeped in tradition,
35:35
Speaker 4: but still very educated. And you have a prime minister
35:38
Speaker 4: who seems pretty progressive. And that prime minister, Sanei Takaichi,
35:45
Speaker 4: they formally approved Japan's first basic plan for expanding gay
35:49
Speaker 4: rights and education. However, They don't have any rights protections,
35:55
Speaker 4: nor is same-sex marriage legally recognized, although some governments in
35:59
Speaker 4: Japan and the prefectures have introduced domestic partnerships. And there's
36:06
Speaker 4: a backlash against LGBTQ people in Japan. So that's sort
36:13
Speaker 4: of alarming to me.
36:15
Speaker 6: They've had a lot of reforms happening. They've had some
36:18
Speaker 6: pressure over some territory problems. with the Russians, particularly some
36:22
Speaker 6: statements from Mr.
36:23
Speaker 5: Lavrov.
36:24
Speaker 6: They've had continuing increasing issues with China. They've reinstituted their
36:30
Speaker 6: intelligence service more robustly. They can be subject to a
36:35
Speaker 6: lot of intelligence people that are foreign actors and not
36:38
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37:04
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Speaker 4: All right. We are back this gay week on The
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Speaker 4: Carell Show. It is Thursday, October 15th. I have Scott
37:54
Speaker 4: Jacobson in the Ukraine. I am here. We're talking about Japan.
37:59
Speaker 4: The thing, Scott, is the final paragraph of the story
38:01
Speaker 4: you sent yesterday. Without introducing stronger legal protections and addressing
38:06
Speaker 4: the underlying ideological opposition to sexual and gender diversity, Japan
38:11
Speaker 4: will continue to rank among the lowest of OECD countries
38:15
Speaker 4: for gay inclusion. And the LDP-led government seems in no
38:19
Speaker 4: rush to change the status quo. So an educated country
38:24
Speaker 4: like Japan and an old country, because I always find
38:29
Speaker 4: that often matters, a very old country, ranks among the lowest.
38:34
Speaker 4: And that's really odd for a country that has people
38:37
Speaker 4: running around in dresses, meaning Kabuki, you know, the men
38:39
Speaker 4: play the women characters still, and sumo wrestlers wearing nothing
38:45
Speaker 4: out there, you know, but Speedos. So it seems to
38:47
Speaker 4: me they're already pretty gay in Japan, and especially Kabuki.
38:53
Speaker 4: The female parts are played by men. And it just
38:58
Speaker 4: seems odd to me. Now, they do say... that Japan's
39:02
Speaker 4: educational curriculum has not been updated in line with the
39:05
Speaker 4: basic plan's provisions. Although it encourages the expansion of educational
39:10
Speaker 4: information relating to sexuality and gender identity, Japan's official curriculum
39:14
Speaker 4: does not teach fundamental topics like sexual intercourse, safety, consent,
39:18
Speaker 4: and mutual respect. It appears they're prudes, does it not?
39:22
Speaker 4: I think this is more of a prude problem than
39:24
Speaker 4: a gay problem.
39:27
Speaker 6: Hard to say. I mean, given the style of popular
39:35
Speaker 6: sexuality that's sort of coming out of the pornographic realm,
39:38
Speaker 6: it's hard to say on that. Maybe just because of
39:39
Speaker 6: the older population, too. But generally speaking, they have a
39:44
Speaker 6: lot of structural issues ongoing. Uh, and this isn't necessarily, um,
39:48
Speaker 6: a rudeness culture, let's say, or an abusive culture towards
39:51
Speaker 6: queer culture. It's more, uh, a simple matter of structural exclusion.
39:57
Speaker 6: That's probably the simple way to put it. Uh, it's
39:59
Speaker 6: not any talk of each. I mean, she's a nationalist.
40:01
Speaker 6: She's a very strong nationalist. And so, um, it's, it's
40:06
Speaker 6: like the Pope. You're going to get a Canon guy. Uh,
40:09
Speaker 6: don't expect a lot of reform, but expect very clear, um,
40:14
Speaker 6: reforms in areas where he has stated that he'll make
40:18
Speaker 6: some changes and LGBT won't be one of them.
40:20
Speaker 4: He ain't going to do anything to lay in a
40:21
Speaker 4: hospital bed for the next couple of weeks. The boy
40:23
Speaker 4: had part of his right lung removed.
40:24
Speaker 3: That's right.
40:25
Speaker 6: Yeah, of course. Yeah, of course. Yeah. Yes.
40:27
Speaker 1: Yes.
40:27
Speaker 6: Praise God.
40:28
Speaker 4: And he may have a gay nurse. What's he going
40:29
Speaker 4: to do then? Let me reframe. He'll have a gay
40:36
Speaker 4: nurse because if they're male and they're a nurse, they're
40:40
Speaker 4: probably gay. I would say seven out of ten nurses
40:43
Speaker 4: are gay, just a guess, and I've been around a
40:45
Speaker 4: lot of hospitals.
40:48
Speaker 6: Right, yes, the missing village person.
40:51
Speaker 4: Yeah, the nurse, yeah.
40:54
Speaker 6: That's right. So with regards to Pope, wish him well,
40:58
Speaker 6: hope to make some better changes. With regards to Japan,
41:01
Speaker 6: it doesn't seem to be singular leader, it seems to
41:04
Speaker 6: be more cultural, legal, structural exclusion, which can be changed.
41:08
Speaker 4: I'm glad you wish the Pope well. I was like,
41:11
Speaker 4: Wait a minute. God's emissary on earth and God wants
41:14
Speaker 4: him to have lung cancer? That seems a bit punitive.
41:18
Speaker 4: If this is your emissary on earth, this is your
41:21
Speaker 4: main line to the people, why on earth would you
41:24
Speaker 4: give him lung cancer?
41:26
Speaker 5: Right.
41:27
Speaker 6: Well, I think the big thing for North American Christians,
41:30
Speaker 6: particularly American Christians, is to frame this as a test
41:34
Speaker 6: of their faith or a test of his faith. So
41:37
Speaker 6: it's a bit of a stretch, more than not.
41:41
Speaker 4: That's what Christians always say when they have no explanation.
41:46
Speaker 4: I mean, I'm an atheist, and I'm a rabid atheist.
41:48
Speaker 4: I can't stand these people standing over a body.
41:51
Speaker 6: It's George Brown's old line, it's bad for you. The
41:54
Speaker 6: God excuse. Someone has no arguments and no reasons left.
41:59
Speaker 4: Someone will be standing over there. I'll never forget this.
42:01
Speaker 4: I was on KFI radio. We were out in the
42:04
Speaker 4: field and an accident happened right there, live, while we
42:07
Speaker 4: were there. I mean, we were covering something else and
42:10
Speaker 4: an accident happened right out front. And we run outside.
42:13
Speaker 4: It was horrific. One of the most horrific things I've
42:15
Speaker 4: ever seen. We were in Huntington Beach. We run outside
42:19
Speaker 4: and a little girl got run over by an 18-wheeler.
42:23
Speaker 4: And she was literally under the back wheel when we
42:26
Speaker 4: got there. And we were horrified, Andrew and I. And
42:30
Speaker 4: the woman is screaming. And after she calms down, they said,
42:34
Speaker 4: we'll get an interview with her. This is a breaking
42:35
Speaker 4: news story. We didn't want to. We're like, no way.
42:37
Speaker 4: We're not talking to this woman in her grief. But
42:40
Speaker 4: they insisted. And so we went over and someone else
42:44
Speaker 4: had already stuck a microphone in her face. So we
42:46
Speaker 4: didn't have to. And she told the reporter, this must
42:49
Speaker 4: be God's will. And she's in heaven now with God.
42:53
Speaker 4: And so I did not mean to say this. I
42:56
Speaker 4: did not mean for this to happen. But the first
42:59
Speaker 4: thing out of my mouth was, you're not mad at
43:02
Speaker 4: God for letting your kid get run over? You're not
43:05
Speaker 4: angry at him for running over your child? And no, no,
43:09
Speaker 4: it must be part of his plan. And I was like,
43:11
Speaker 4: you're insane. And I didn't mean for that interaction to happen,
43:15
Speaker 4: but it did. Back to the United States, woohoo, because
43:19
Speaker 4: it's not just the world that's trying to hate the gays.
43:22
Speaker 4: Let's go to Washington State. Pretty progressive, pretty blue, pretty,
43:29
Speaker 4: you know, gay-friendly. Seattle, very gay-friendly. And yet, and yet,
43:35
Speaker 4: y tambien, that's Espanol in case you Canadians don't speak
43:40
Speaker 4: it up there. We have IL26-38 and IL26-001. This is
43:51
Speaker 4: legislation on the ballot in Washington. And I can't believe
43:56
Speaker 4: that these are on the ballot in Washington. Do you
43:59
Speaker 4: want to use your reporter brain and tell us what
44:01
Speaker 4: they are?
44:01
Speaker 8: Ballot initiatives will undermine protections for LGBTQ plus students and
44:07
Speaker 8: other vulnerable children. One target is transgender participation in girls'
44:11
Speaker 8: school sports through eligibility examinations.
44:13
Speaker 4: It doesn't just restrict. Come on, you're sugarcoating. IL 2638
44:17
Speaker 4: requires gender inspection of girls to determine eligibility for school sports.
44:24
Speaker 4: You want to go play girls tennis? Show me your twat.
44:27
Speaker 4: I mean, this is what the bill does. You know,
44:31
Speaker 4: strip down. Show me you're a girl. You know? And
44:37
Speaker 4: bans transgendered students from participating. How would they know? If
44:41
Speaker 4: they're already trans, if they've already gone through, they've got
44:45
Speaker 4: boobs and they've got a vagina. So how would they know?
44:49
Speaker 4: Do they ask if the vagina is fake? I mean, really, how?
44:56
Speaker 4: And the notion, the notion that someone at school, like
45:01
Speaker 4: the nurse or whatever, is going, this is, I just
45:04
Speaker 4: watched Carrie on, what was it? Amazon Prime, the new one.
45:09
Speaker 4: which takes a lot of liberties, but it's actually really
45:11
Speaker 4: quite good. I really like the new relationships in this,
45:17
Speaker 4: and I like some of them. I like this better
45:19
Speaker 4: than the movie, actually. I wish Sissy Spacek had been
45:22
Speaker 4: in the TV show, because she was so great as Carrie,
45:27
Speaker 4: which you probably didn't see, the Sissy Spacek version, because
45:31
Speaker 4: you were a child when it came out. But this
45:35
Speaker 4: new version... is set in modern day where they have
45:39
Speaker 4: cell phones. And so they're able to bully her online,
45:44
Speaker 4: like the whole plug it up, plug it up scene
45:46
Speaker 4: where she has her period. They post that online. And
45:50
Speaker 4: of course she's horrified about the whole thing. But this
45:57
Speaker 4: sounds like right out of Carrie where they would literally
46:01
Speaker 4: inspect the women to make sure they're women. there would
46:07
Speaker 4: be a pediatric nurse who says, by the way, this
46:12
Speaker 4: is poorly written. It would mandate that families make an appointment,
46:16
Speaker 4: take the time to drive to a medical office to
46:19
Speaker 4: get a doctor to conduct a medically unnecessary reproductive anatomy
46:25
Speaker 4: exam or pay out of pocket to send their daughter's
46:31
Speaker 4: blood to a lab for genetic and hormonal testing.
46:37
Speaker 6: Get bent. That's crazy.
46:40
Speaker 4: I mean, this is in Washington, not Senegal.
46:47
Speaker 6: Well, the extensive financial requirements to do all these testings
46:52
Speaker 6: and have medical facilities and train people that are qualified, yeah,
46:56
Speaker 6: that's a signal of a rich country having the same
46:59
Speaker 6: wrong mindset.
47:00
Speaker 4: But they just said they don't have to go through
47:02
Speaker 4: this for their sons because it's only girls. They don't
47:07
Speaker 4: have to gender inspect boys.
47:10
Speaker 6: Oh, these kids will be talking about this probably through
47:14
Speaker 6: their 20s, if not their 30s.
47:16
Speaker 4: How scarring would it be to have, if you want
47:18
Speaker 4: to play a sport, to have to, I mean, what
47:21
Speaker 4: are we doing to our kids?
47:22
Speaker 6: Being a teenager is hard enough.
47:24
Speaker 4: Amen. Well, I just watched Carrie, I'm telling you. I
47:28
Speaker 4: could relate. You know it was hard for me to watch.
47:31
Speaker 4: Carrie was hard for me to watch. And I'll tell
47:33
Speaker 4: you why. Naturally, I was bullied. pillow, you know, in
47:38
Speaker 4: junior high, especially, and then high school as well, because
47:42
Speaker 4: I've been gay since I've been me. And it's hard
47:48
Speaker 4: for me to watch others go through bullying because I
47:53
Speaker 4: know how it feels, you know, and I know no
47:56
Speaker 4: matter how you try to put on the good face,
47:58
Speaker 4: how you try to, I'm bullied to this day, you know,
48:01
Speaker 4: and I know how it hurts, right? And so it
48:04
Speaker 4: was hard for me to watch how they treated Carrie.
48:07
Speaker 4: It was really, and they try to get into the
48:10
Speaker 4: minds of the bully and show that they're flawed too,
48:12
Speaker 4: and that they have problems going on and that's why
48:14
Speaker 4: they're bullies. It doesn't matter. It, it, it hurts.
48:18
Speaker 6: I think he'll try to do a sketch on something
48:20
Speaker 6: like that too, where like the bully gives like actual
48:23
Speaker 6: explanations of what might be behind it, but okay, you've
48:26
Speaker 6: given an explanation. But we don't want to use that
48:29
Speaker 6: as a means by which to easily excuse bad behavior. Right.
48:32
Speaker 4: And Carrie, her nemesis, the father of her nemesis is
48:36
Speaker 4: a construction financer. Carrie's father dies on the site and
48:42
Speaker 4: they have to shut the site down. So suddenly the
48:45
Speaker 4: girl can't go to a nice ritzy college. She ends
48:48
Speaker 4: up living in a trailer with her boyfriend. Right. And
48:51
Speaker 4: then she does this anonymous online social media account that
48:54
Speaker 4: starts picking apart Carrie and other students. She won't pull
48:57
Speaker 4: it down. So they suspend her and she's not going
49:00
Speaker 4: to graduate. And, you know, her whole world falls apart.
49:04
Speaker 6: These are all plausible contemporary scenarios.
49:06
Speaker 4: And she blames Carrie for all of them. And that's
49:10
Speaker 4: why she ends up taking her wrath, you know, out
49:12
Speaker 4: on Carrie. But I saw the whole thing and I said,
49:15
Speaker 4: so what? Your dad brought this upon you, not Carrie.
49:19
Speaker 4: So them trying to justify her actions through showing that
49:23
Speaker 4: she had been hurt too?
49:24
Speaker 5: No.
49:25
Speaker 4: Sorry.
49:26
Speaker 5: No.
49:27
Speaker 4: And it's the same kind of thing.
49:29
Speaker 6: There's empathy and sympathy for people who have gone through
49:32
Speaker 6: a hard time of various types. In no way does
49:36
Speaker 6: that excuse bad behavior.
49:38
Speaker 4: Right. And another one is.
49:41
Speaker 6: It's not you went through a bad thing, but you
49:46
Speaker 6: did a bad thing.
49:47
Speaker 4: Well, and in Carrie, she does have a sympathetic coach,
49:53
Speaker 4: which was played by Betty Buckley in the movie and
49:55
Speaker 4: is played by, I think, a Hispanic woman named... I
49:58
Speaker 4: couldn't tell if she was Hispanic, Asian, or what she was,
50:01
Speaker 4: but she was ethnic, in this, in the TV show.
50:05
Speaker 4: She did have someone she could confide in. And in
50:08
Speaker 4: Washington State, IL 26001 says that the teachers have to
50:14
Speaker 4: out the students. If a student comes to them and
50:17
Speaker 4: confides that they're gay, bi, or trans, then the teacher
50:21
Speaker 4: then has to tell the school and the parents. That's
50:25
Speaker 4: going to stop kids from consulting.
50:26
Speaker 6: Legislative snitches.
50:29
Speaker 4: You know, I fought against this very thing in like
50:35
Speaker 4: 1977 in my high school. I wrote an editorial about
50:38
Speaker 4: the Briggs Initiative. The Briggs Initiative was a law that
50:43
Speaker 4: was going to say that there could be no gay teachers.
50:47
Speaker 4: And if another teacher knew that another teacher was gay,
50:50
Speaker 4: they had to turn them in. And Harvey Milk came
50:54
Speaker 4: down and spoke against that. That's where I first saw him.
50:58
Speaker 4: I wrote about it at 15 years of age in
51:00
Speaker 4: my high school newspaper and said, what a terrible witch
51:03
Speaker 4: hunt idea this is. And this bill, some 50 fucking
51:09
Speaker 4: years later, goes even beyond. It doesn't just out the teachers.
51:14
Speaker 4: It wants teachers to out the students and betray a trust.
51:17
Speaker 4: There were many teachers that knew that I was gay. Now,
51:20
Speaker 4: my parents knew. I mean, telling my parents, they would
51:22
Speaker 4: have been like, well, no shit. Have you seen our son? Oh,
51:25
Speaker 4: my God.
51:27
Speaker 5: Really?
51:27
Speaker 4: Yeah. There's a guy that walks around here. There's a
51:32
Speaker 4: guy that walks around my complex, and he has a
51:34
Speaker 4: rescue dog that has a limp. Its leg was injured
51:37
Speaker 4: by the previous owner's. And they couldn't fix it. And
51:40
Speaker 4: the first time he brought it to the vet, the
51:42
Speaker 4: vet said, well, I want to examine his limp. And
51:44
Speaker 4: he goes, wait, my dog has a limp? Because it
51:47
Speaker 4: was so obvious. The dog walks like this.
51:50
Speaker 6: And I'm telling you that that is a dead parrot.
51:53
Speaker 4: Yeah, exactly.
51:54
Speaker 6: It is no more.
51:55
Speaker 4: I just can't believe these are going to pass in Washington,
51:58
Speaker 4: where 455,000 gay people live in Washington, which is 6.9%
52:00
Speaker 4: of the population. 38% of gay adults in Washington are
52:03
Speaker 4: raising children of their own. So, you know, meanwhile, Washington
52:14
Speaker 4: has faced over 150 anti-gay incidents, including 22 violent assaults,
52:19
Speaker 4: five arson attempts, four bomb and shooting threats. And in 2025,
52:23
Speaker 4: Washington ranked among the top five U.S. states for the
52:26
Speaker 4: most anti-gay incidents. This is not going to help that.
52:31
Speaker 4: All right, we'll finish up with Scott when we come back.
52:33
Speaker 4: We've got a few more stories, one coming out of
52:36
Speaker 4: the Trevor Project. and Christopher Street Daily. So we will
52:40
Speaker 4: be right back to finish up with him. And goodness,
52:42
Speaker 4: thank you. No bombs have gone off in the course
52:44
Speaker 4: of this interview. So we'll be right back. Don't go anywhere.
53:03
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53:40
Speaker 4: with Scott in Ukraine. I'm here in Las Vegas. We're
53:43
Speaker 4: doing this K-Week and our Ukrainian info. Do you know
53:47
Speaker 4: who Zara Larsson is? She's a singer, and I've seen
53:56
Speaker 4: her at actual Pride events. She's a big star. She's
53:59
Speaker 4: not like a small, she's not like me. She's a
54:02
Speaker 4: big star. But through her career, she's been a very
54:05
Speaker 4: big ally for gay people. She's used her platform to
54:08
Speaker 4: champion equality, freedom, self-expression. She's spoken out in support of
54:11
Speaker 4: transgendered people and trans rights. She headlines major pride events.
54:16
Speaker 4: And she credits her gay fans for the profound influence
54:18
Speaker 4: they have had on her music and her creativity. She's
54:22
Speaker 4: worked to create spaces where gay people feel celebrated at
54:24
Speaker 4: her concerts and and free to unapologetically be herself. She
54:29
Speaker 4: uses her social media platform to speak out about mental health.
54:33
Speaker 4: October 10th was World Mental Health Day. October 11th was
54:36
Speaker 4: Coming Out Day. Those two go hand in hand, trust me.
54:42
Speaker 4: And so the Trevor Project, which is an organization staffed
54:45
Speaker 4: by angels, do you know of the Trevor Project?
54:49
Speaker 5: Yes.
54:49
Speaker 4: Yes, they are the Teen Suicide Prevention Project. That's who
54:53
Speaker 4: they are. They gave her an award. They honored her
54:57
Speaker 4: with their 2026 Mental Health Champion of the Year Award.
55:02
Speaker 4: And you know what? Normally I get a little upset
55:04
Speaker 4: when gay organizations give straight people awards, but she really
55:07
Speaker 4: deserves it. She has a broad, broad base of fans,
55:12
Speaker 4: and she basically tells her non-gay fans, if you don't
55:15
Speaker 4: like my support for this community, then you don't like me.
55:19
Speaker 4: You know, so go listen to somebody else. So she
55:24
Speaker 4: is one of the people that really deserve it. She's
55:27
Speaker 4: their sixth honoree. Megan Thee Stallion got it last year.
55:30
Speaker 4: Dua Lipa the year before that. Dylan Mulvaney, Janelle Monae,
55:34
Speaker 4: and Lil Nas X was the first recipient in 2021.
55:37
Speaker 4: Odd that he later went crazy.
55:42
Speaker 6: Well, yes. I mean, the stress of early fame is
55:45
Speaker 6: not a new thing in Hollywood.
55:46
Speaker 4: Yeah, well.
55:48
Speaker 6: We're seeing it.
55:49
Speaker 4: Yeah, he's kind of cute. I just want to give
55:52
Speaker 4: you some facts because you like them because you're a journalist.
55:55
Speaker 4: One in 10 gay young people attempt suicide in the
55:58
Speaker 4: last year. One in 10. 36% of gay young people
56:03
Speaker 4: seriously have considered attempting suicide in the past year, including
56:06
Speaker 4: 40% of transgender and non-binary people. I myself thought of
56:10
Speaker 4: it when I was a kid. And it was at
56:12
Speaker 4: that moment in sixth grade sitting on the steps of my,
56:16
Speaker 4: I thought my aunt and uncle were telling my mom
56:19
Speaker 4: and dad that I was gay and I thought they
56:20
Speaker 4: were having a fight about it and they were going
56:22
Speaker 4: to kick us out because of it because we were
56:23
Speaker 4: living with them. And I thought it was all my
56:25
Speaker 4: fault and I was going to kill myself right there
56:28
Speaker 4: in Texas.
56:29
Speaker 6: That's surprising.
56:30
Speaker 4: And then, because they were evangelicals, my aunt and uncle,
56:33
Speaker 4: I was sleeping with their son, my cousin, not by choice.
56:36
Speaker 4: He often, I'd wake up and he'd be doing things
56:40
Speaker 4: to me. Uh, but, um, I thought they had found
56:45
Speaker 4: out about that. I thought they'd found out what David
56:47
Speaker 4: was doing to me and they were fighting. In reality,
56:50
Speaker 4: they were fighting over bringing one of the kids to
56:52
Speaker 4: the doctors because they didn't believe in doctors. Uh, and,
56:57
Speaker 4: but I didn't know that. And so I sat there
56:59
Speaker 4: on the stairs of the trailer by the stock pond,
57:03
Speaker 4: cause this is Texas. And it was at that moment
57:07
Speaker 4: I said to myself, I'm not running away cause I
57:10
Speaker 4: was going to run away. I said, I'm not running
57:12
Speaker 4: away and I'm not killing myself. This is me. This
57:16
Speaker 4: is who I am. I didn't make myself this way.
57:19
Speaker 4: And either they accept it or they don't. But that's it.
57:23
Speaker 4: This is me. But I did think about it. So
57:26
Speaker 4: I was one of those 36%. 44% of gay youth
57:30
Speaker 4: who wanted mental health care were denied or unable to
57:33
Speaker 4: access it. 90% of gay young people said no. that
57:37
Speaker 4: recent anti-LGBTQ laws, policies, and debates has caused them stress
57:41
Speaker 4: or anxiety. And meanwhile, gay people who live in very accepting.
57:46
Speaker 8: Yeah, what do you know?
57:49
Speaker 4: Young people who live in very accepting communities attempt suicide
57:52
Speaker 4: less than one-third of the rate of those who live
57:56
Speaker 4: in accepting communities.
57:58
Speaker 6: There's the big factor there.
58:00
Speaker 4: There it is right there. So anything that Zara Larson...
58:05
Speaker 4: or anyone can do to change that statistic is helped. And,
58:08
Speaker 4: you know, we sit here every week and we do
58:11
Speaker 4: this Gay Week. And I know this sounds odd, but
58:15
Speaker 4: I often hope that young people don't listen to it
58:18
Speaker 4: because I don't want them to hear how the rest
58:21
Speaker 4: of the world is vilifying us, you know, because there's
58:26
Speaker 4: not a lot of great news. We couldn't do a
58:28
Speaker 4: whole hour on good gay news from around the world.
58:30
Speaker 4: It's not possible. And so sometimes I hope that it's
58:35
Speaker 4: just adults that listen to this because I don't want
58:37
Speaker 4: gay people. You know, look at what happened in Berlin Pride.
58:42
Speaker 4: You know, a driver drove into Berlin Pride. One is dead.
58:47
Speaker 4: Several are injured. You know, that happened back in July.
58:51
Speaker 4: You know, that's tragic. However, we'll leave on a good note.
59:00
Speaker 4: You sent a positive story. Queer youth celebrated at Los
59:03
Speaker 4: Angeles Gay Center's Models of Pride. LGBTQIA youth enjoyed an
59:08
Speaker 4: entertainment workshops and resources at the Models of Pride Youth Summit.
59:13
Speaker 4: It was held Saturday in Los Angeles at the Gay
59:16
Speaker 4: Center there. It's geared towards youth ages 24 and younger.
59:23
Speaker 4: Little embryos, little gay embryos. And it's a whole, like, celebration, really,
59:30
Speaker 4: of workshops and games and activities for queer youth. I've
59:34
Speaker 4: spoken at it, actually, when I was on KFI. And
59:38
Speaker 4: I was asked to come and speak at the center,
59:41
Speaker 4: at the Models of Pride. And, you know, it's just
59:46
Speaker 4: amazing how life-changing it is, because a lot of these
59:50
Speaker 4: gay youth feel very isolated. And then you bring them
59:53
Speaker 4: together at this event, And they realize I'm not alone
59:57
Speaker 4: and that there's a lot more young kids like me.
1:00:00
Speaker 4: And that right there is the most empowering thing that
1:00:05
Speaker 4: you can see. Ziya Wade got an award. She's a
1:00:09
Speaker 4: model activist and founder of Translatable, a safe space and
1:00:13
Speaker 4: resource hub for LGBTQIA youth, particularly trans. MNEC was named
1:00:19
Speaker 4: Artist of Pride Honoree MNEC. And the storyteller of Pride
1:00:23
Speaker 4: Honoree was Curly Velasquez, a storyteller, actor, and artist. Michelle
1:00:27
Speaker 4: Prada was there. Drag queens Ayanna Shaw, Kyra Jeet, and
1:00:32
Speaker 4: Jordan Jairo were also there. So that's a good story.
1:00:37
Speaker 4: And it does help people. Trixie Mattel has been honored.
1:00:42
Speaker 4: Dylan Mulvaney, Kevin Nye, all of these have been honored
1:00:46
Speaker 4: in the past. And people were invited to show up
1:00:48
Speaker 4: in drag, and they did. And it was just a
1:00:51
Speaker 4: really great day. And so I hope that more people,
1:00:55
Speaker 4: if you're listening to this and you want to get
1:00:57
Speaker 4: involved in that, contact the Los Angeles Gay Center. Tell
1:01:00
Speaker 4: them you want to be involved in Models of Pride
1:01:02
Speaker 4: next year and help the gay kids. All right. That's it.
1:01:05
Speaker 7: We're out.
1:01:05
Speaker 4: Bye, Scott. Going to stay safe for me?
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