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Jeff Legwold joins Kreckman & Lindahl 12-31-24 · Jeff Legwold ESPN Broncos Reports

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  Speaker 1: Jeff Legwald is our Broncos insider Altitude Sports Radio ninety
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  Speaker 2: The insider I've covered while.
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  Speaker 3: Jeff Legwald too cute.
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  Speaker 1: Start with a job and with a career, right BBW
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  Speaker 1: Local sixty eight, It's Leggy.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, Jeff Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: On Altitude Sports Radio ninety two five. Jeff, Jeff Jeff.
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  Speaker 1: Jeff Legwald joins us right now on the Craigman and
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  Speaker 1: Lindahl Show. Leggy's appearance has always brought to you by
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  Speaker 1: the International Brotherhood of Electrical Workers IBEW Local sixty eight.
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  Speaker 1: You start with a job, you end with a career.
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  Speaker 1: Leggy happy cheeze at Citrus Bold Day to wall who celebrate,
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  Speaker 1: particularly Brett Beelima and Shane Biemer who apparently want to
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  Speaker 1: kill each other.
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  Speaker 3: Right, Yeah, I was the deal with that. Lego was
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  Speaker 3: gonna ask, Hey, what was going on? I saw the
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  Speaker 3: highlight on Twitter? What was the big beef about you?
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  Speaker 3: Illinois guys rubbed people.
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  Speaker 1: The wrong way or what Bilima rubs them all wrong?
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  Speaker 2: As you know, we rubbed people the wrong way, as.
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  Speaker 1: You know, yeah, no, Bilima was. He was taunting Shane
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  Speaker 1: Biemer while going over to check on one of his
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  Speaker 1: own injured players, Shane Bieber. It's look, he's a college
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  Speaker 1: football coach. I'm sure he's got some red ass to him,
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  Speaker 1: But what is he giving up on that one? Leggy
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  Speaker 1: and a cool two hundred?
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  Speaker 3: That is either weight class man.
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  Speaker 2: If you're gonna if you're gonna wade in against the
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  Speaker 2: old lineman, you better have you better have.
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  Speaker 1: Some bad matchup my friend. Uh, Leggy, We've got one
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  Speaker 1: game to go for the Broncos to make the postseason.
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  Speaker 1: Andy and I were talking about this yesterday. If you
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  Speaker 1: would have told us low back in July and August, Hey,
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  Speaker 1: the Broncos will have a win in their in situation
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  Speaker 1: in week eighteen, we all would have taken it. Obviously
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  Speaker 1: it would have been an overachievement. But given the way
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  Speaker 1: that the last two weeks have gone for this Broncos team,
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  Speaker 1: given the position that they are currently in, how do
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  Speaker 1: you view this? Is this disappointment that Denver hasn't clinched
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  Speaker 1: already or should we still be pleased with all this
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  Speaker 1: team as accomplished?
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  Speaker 2: Well, I mean, they've certainly made progress, Nate. I mean,
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  Speaker 2: they made a you know, unbelievable, unprecedented salary cap move.
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  Speaker 2: You know, we you know, it seems like a lot
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  Speaker 2: March seems a long time ago now, but when they
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  Speaker 2: released Brussell Wilson, they made an unprecedented move. And to
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  Speaker 2: be in the playoff micks after that is some progress.
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  Speaker 2: I think the issue at the ten thousand foot level
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  Speaker 2: is if they don't make it, it is now two
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  Speaker 2: December fades in Sean Payton's two years. I mean last
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  Speaker 2: year they lost four of the last six, three of
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  Speaker 2: the last four. And then if you don't make the
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  Speaker 2: playoffs this time because you lose your last three, you
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  Speaker 2: know that that is two December fades for a head
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  Speaker 2: coach that came in with the idea he was going
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  Speaker 2: to show this franchise or bringing this franchise back, you know,
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  Speaker 2: into meaningful games, and I think that would be the
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  Speaker 2: dent you know in it. But certainly progress. But again,
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  Speaker 2: if you don't make it, that's two December fades, and
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  Speaker 2: you'd have to look at what you're doing, how you're
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  Speaker 2: doing it, because even with a different cast of characters,
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  Speaker 2: most notably a quarterback, you would have faded twice down
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  Speaker 2: the home stretch.
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  Speaker 4: Uh, Jeff, what are we going to remember about that
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  Speaker 4: Cincinnati game the most?
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  Speaker 3: Do you think?
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  Speaker 4: Because I know you and I talked earlier. I kind
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  Speaker 4: of already mentioned that on the radio or on the
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  Speaker 4: radio earlier in the show, so I know you're thinking
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  Speaker 4: about that two point conversion. Like Nate, I didn't know
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  Speaker 4: what was going on in overtime, trying to take time
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  Speaker 4: outs and throw the ball when you just need the
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  Speaker 4: clock to run out in your the playoffs. I mean,
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  Speaker 4: what are we going to remember most from that game?
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  Speaker 4: Where was the biggest misplay?
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  Speaker 1: Take your pick of these scorg of suck.
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  Speaker 2: Well, I guess you know for me, and again it's
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  Speaker 2: it's just the view, you know, trying to look at
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  Speaker 2: it in the big picture. But he is, you know,
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  Speaker 2: the head coach has spent an awful lot of time
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  Speaker 2: this season talking about how his team is ready for
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  Speaker 2: these moments, how he's ready for these moments and to
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  Speaker 2: not go for two and put the ball back into
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  Speaker 2: Joe Burrow's hands on the night Joe Burrow is having.
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  Speaker 2: It's one thing if Joe Burrow is, uh, you know,
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  Speaker 2: at at fifty percent and you've you've made him struggle
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  Speaker 2: all night. But it's very clear one of the best
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  Speaker 2: quarterbacks in the league is on a heater, uh, and
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  Speaker 2: you're going to give the ball back to him or
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  Speaker 2: give him an opportunity in a game that's tied at home,
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  Speaker 2: and you know, had the rain that arrived, you know,
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  Speaker 2: a couple hours later when we were all there, had
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  Speaker 2: arrived during the game. Maybe it's a different scenario and
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  Speaker 2: all of that, but you know, to me, I think,
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  Speaker 2: you know, it just went against the coach's messaging. I'm
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  Speaker 2: sure you can analytically make an argument for both scenarios
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  Speaker 2: and succeed, but I guess I'm saying the messaging has
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  Speaker 2: been in that situation, he would go for two and
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  Speaker 2: he did not, So he either thought they could ride
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  Speaker 2: it out in overtime and get it done. But I
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  Speaker 2: didn't see the momentum that he said they had. I
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  Speaker 2: only saw Joe Burrow on the other side.
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  Speaker 1: No, and I completely agree with that point. We talked
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  Speaker 1: about it yesterday. The touchdowns that you scored, one of
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  Speaker 1: them was a fifty one yard bomb, the likes of
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  Speaker 1: which you had not really connected on baby all but
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  Speaker 1: once all season long. It wasn't like it came from
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  Speaker 1: a sustained drive. The other was a prayer that Marvin
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  Speaker 1: Mims made an unbelievable catch on. And you know, a
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  Speaker 1: similar thread going back the last two games. In conservative
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  Speaker 1: decisions that Peyton made was punting the ball from midfield
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  Speaker 1: on a fourth down and six against the Chargers in
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  Speaker 1: a game where you were trailing, and then not going
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  Speaker 1: for two against the Bengals. Both of those qualified as
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  Speaker 1: conservative decisions but also leggy. They were situations where you
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  Speaker 1: took the ball out of your quarterback's hands when he
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  Speaker 1: had a chance to make a play that could have
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  Speaker 1: greatly impacted the outcome. Does this suggest a lack of
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  Speaker 1: faith in bow Knicks coming from Sean Payton right now?
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  Speaker 2: I don't see it, I guess, Nate, I don't see
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  Speaker 2: it as a lack of faith, But I do think
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  Speaker 2: it shows how vigorously he has tried to protect bow
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  Speaker 2: Knicks all season. Well, you know, whether it be in
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  Speaker 2: situational football, whether it be their personnel, group beings, whether
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  Speaker 2: it be how much he's in the shotgun, all of it.
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  Speaker 2: I think he is very He's tried very, very hard,
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  Speaker 2: and I don't necessarily blame him for that. You know,
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  Speaker 2: you look at what Caleb Williams is going through in Chicago,
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  Speaker 2: and you're like, Okay, maybe it's not a bad idea
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  Speaker 2: to protect your rookie quarterback when you get a chance.
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  Speaker 2: But I do think it's a factor, whether they'll ever
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  Speaker 2: admit it or not. And look, Bonix has made, you know,
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  Speaker 2: great progress this season. But I do think the interception
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  Speaker 2: with like two forty to play had some bearing on
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  Speaker 2: the decision as well, because that was not a good
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  Speaker 2: decision with the ball, and honestly, when they go over
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  Speaker 2: the tape, I don't think the decision to throw it
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  Speaker 2: to Mims is going to be graded out as a
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  Speaker 2: good choice. But Marvin Mims just made a ridiculous catch,
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  Speaker 2: the best catch of the year probably to turn that
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  Speaker 2: into a touchdown. But when they grade that out, they're
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  Speaker 2: not going to grade that as a good decision by
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  Speaker 2: the quarterback. And I think that that all influenced, you know,
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  Speaker 2: what he's thinking in the closing minutes there. But it's
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  Speaker 2: not very often you see a four possession overtime, honestly,
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  Speaker 2: and you know, again, I didn't see though momentum, and
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  Speaker 2: they proved it. They had two three and outs in overtime,
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  Speaker 2: just you know, that's just not getting it done. And
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  Speaker 2: you're not only did your defense get Burrow off the
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  Speaker 2: field once, but then you gave him another crack at it,
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  Speaker 2: and that's just too much to ask.
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  Speaker 3: All right, let's turn to Kansas City. Uh, it is
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  Speaker 3: what it is. They can't go back and do it.
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  Speaker 4: You know, at the time, I didn't think it was
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  Speaker 4: a bad decision to go in and take the Thursday
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  Speaker 4: night er. I would be curious to get Sean Payton
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  Speaker 4: alone and let him be truthful and tell me to
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  Speaker 4: regret the decision.
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  Speaker 3: Now, I don't know whatever.
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  Speaker 2: I think.
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  Speaker 3: I still would have.
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  Speaker 4: Made the same the same decision at the time, but
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  Speaker 4: it doesn't seem to have worked out, losing both those games.
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  Speaker 4: So now they faced Kansas City team that's famously going
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  Speaker 4: to sit a lot of their starters. We would think,
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  Speaker 4: what are the Broncos need to be cautious.
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  Speaker 3: Of going into this game Sunday? How about I put
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  Speaker 3: it there?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I don't look at the depth chart.
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  Speaker 2: I guess that's what I would say. Don't worry about
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  Speaker 2: who Kansas City's playing and handle your business. Because Kansas
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  Speaker 2: City has a roster full of players that have been
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  Speaker 2: nothing but around big games for season after season after season,
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  Speaker 2: and that bleeds into an entire team. The Broncos have
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  Speaker 2: eleven players on their current roster who've been in a
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  Speaker 2: playoff game. Eleven. They've only had three guys who've played
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  Speaker 2: in the Super Bowl. None of their homegrown players have
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  Speaker 2: ever worn the uniform in a playoff game. So this
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  Speaker 2: notion that it's a walkover because the Chiefs might play
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  Speaker 2: some subs, I think is a horrific place to put
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  Speaker 2: your mind, and I think Sean Payton will certainly and
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  Speaker 2: should do whatever is necessary to avoid letting anyone think
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  Speaker 2: that way, because again, this team, they've had two sort
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  Speaker 2: of maturity tests. You know, where are you at in
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  Speaker 2: terms of football maturity? And they didn't pass either of
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  Speaker 2: them the last two weeks. You know, a playoff ready team,
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  Speaker 2: you know, ready right now for the playoffs. I think
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  Speaker 2: wins one of those two games, both one score games,
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  Speaker 2: one of them in overtime. You know they were right there.
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  Speaker 2: But to get that last couple plays that mean something,
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  Speaker 2: you know, that shows some football maturity and you know
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  Speaker 2: they got to show that this week. And you know,
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  Speaker 2: to your question, they cannot even get close to the
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  Speaker 2: thought of worrying about who's playing for the Chiefs because again,
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  Speaker 2: that's just a roster full of players that have been
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  Speaker 2: around big situations and a tough one for Andy Reid
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  Speaker 2: because it could be twenty three days between games for
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  Speaker 2: anybody you sit, you know, from Christmas to the divisional round,
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  Speaker 2: and I think that's a tough decision for a head
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  Speaker 2: coach about what to do, even for a teams as
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  Speaker 2: accomplished as the Chiefs are.
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  Speaker 1: into the film, what was your evaluation of Riley Moss's
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  Speaker 1: performance on Saturday against the Bengals and where is he
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  Speaker 1: at coming down the stretch Because I think if we've
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  Speaker 1: learned anything over the back half of the season, it's
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  Speaker 1: the importance of Riley Moss.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, I saw what I expected physically ready
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  Speaker 2: to go. I mean, he showed the knee was sturdy,
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  Speaker 2: he could make the moves he wanted. But you're rusty,
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  Speaker 2: and you know there's probably three teams you don't want
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  Speaker 2: to come back as a corner after a month off,
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  Speaker 2: and guess what that was one of the three. I
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  Speaker 2: mean that's I mean, they got three receivers who would
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  Speaker 2: be leading the Broncos and touchdown catches right now. Three
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  Speaker 2: and you know, one guy's leading everything, you know, in
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  Speaker 2: the entire league. So and you know, the Bengals did what,
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  Speaker 2: you know, they were merciless. I mean, they went for
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  Speaker 2: They went after Riley Moss from the first snap. Even
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  Speaker 2: in run plays, they were pushing run plays to Riley Moss.
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  Speaker 2: I mean there was a point where I think Moss
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  Speaker 2: had ten of the Broncos fourteen tackles in the game
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  Speaker 2: at one point. I mean, it was just they were
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  Speaker 2: just merciless. And you know, to his credit, he said
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  Speaker 2: after the game, you know, I just there were some
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  Speaker 2: technical you know, how far you drop, how do you
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  Speaker 2: come out of your back pedal, all of those things. Technically,
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  Speaker 2: we're just not quite there. He's still you know, I
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  Speaker 2: give the guy credit. He was still scrapping deep in
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  Speaker 2: overtime and making tackles and all those things. That shows
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  Speaker 2: you what kind of player he is. But uh, you know,
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  Speaker 2: he's not the best player in the Broncos defense, but
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  Speaker 2: he is one of the most important because it is
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  Speaker 2: hard work. I saw an awful lot of guys crumble
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  Speaker 2: across from champ Bailey. You know, Darren Williams was a
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  Speaker 2: special case and that he had the mental capability to
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  Speaker 2: play there. That's what Riley Moss is, the patser Tan.
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  Speaker 2: Riley Moss has the athletic ability and the mental ability
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  Speaker 2: to survive. But that was a tough way to come back.
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  Speaker 2: I don't think it it shows any regression as him
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  Speaker 2: as a player. I just it shows you at the
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  Speaker 2: NFL level, missing a month, it's not easy. All right?
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  Speaker 3: What do you think of those Pro Bowl announcements today?
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  Speaker 3: I believe it was Benito in certain if I saw
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  Speaker 3: right right? Is that is that how it's gonna go down?
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  Speaker 3: Zach Allen gonna get in there? What do we think
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  Speaker 3: of this?
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  Speaker 2: Well, I mean it's uh, I guess Thursday is the fourth.
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  Speaker 3: Okay, so this is the updated vote vote and.
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  Speaker 2: The fan voting get you know, you know, I hope
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  Speaker 2: Zach Allen gets you know, you know, Sir Tan's gonna
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  Speaker 2: get it, and certainly you'd like to see Benito get it.
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  Speaker 2: And usually the SAC leaders get the votes, you know,
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  Speaker 2: but I'd like to see Zach Allen for what he's
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  Speaker 2: done in a tough position and doing a lot of
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  Speaker 2: the dirty work in there. But he's an all he's
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  Speaker 2: having an all pro season.
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  Speaker 1: Let alone problem, Leggy looking at your crystal ball really quickly.
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  Speaker 1: And I always love asking Jeff leg all these questions
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  Speaker 1: because he loves wild speculation. It's one of his favorite things. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: is there anybody when you look around this organization right now,
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  Speaker 1: is there anybody that you say, don't be surprised if
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  Speaker 1: this guy's not back next year. Is there anyone that
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  Speaker 1: you could see maybe being a surprise departure from the Broncos.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know if it's a surprise, but I guess
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  Speaker 2: last off season makes me wonder about Portland Sutton. You know,
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  Speaker 2: you now that said they did circle back on Garrett
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  Speaker 2: Boll They were fully positioned to let garat Bulls walk
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  Speaker 2: and did circle back, you know, I think in the
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  Speaker 2: right move because they were not going to get an
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  Speaker 2: improvement if they let Gary Bols go. And I think
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  Speaker 2: Sutton is in that position because they now they added
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  Speaker 2: voidable years to his deal after the the off season impass,
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  Speaker 2: which is kind of a weird signal too for you
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  Speaker 2: know a guy you took the hard line approach with.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, they gave him some bonuses, but they didn't
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  Speaker 2: rework that deal, and Courtland Sutton very much wanted them
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  Speaker 2: to rework that deal. So I am intrigued to see
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  Speaker 2: what that off season looks like. And I think you
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  Speaker 2: got to get Benito done before the market is in play,
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  Speaker 2: and you may have to, you know, quote unquote overpay him,
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  Speaker 2: but you know, I think if you're gonna be I
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  Speaker 2: think if they're there's a lesson the Broncos should take
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  Speaker 2: away from this year, and it's not one Sean Payton
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  Speaker 2: has lived with a lot in his career is homegrown
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  Speaker 2: players can help you become what you want to be. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: in the salary cap era. And they've had six of
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  Speaker 2: seven guys in a draft class play a game this year,
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  Speaker 2: and obviously Bo Nicks, Rodrick Estimay, you know, Jonah Ellis
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  Speaker 2: have had you know, important parts of all this. But
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  Speaker 2: you know, homegrown players need to be a priority, and
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  Speaker 2: they always weren't in New Orleans. So that's what I
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  Speaker 2: keep my eye on here moving forward. How do they
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  Speaker 2: treat the homegrown players? And obviously Courtland Sutton's one of
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  Speaker 2: the longest tenured guys.
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  Speaker 1: Jeff Legwald. Everybody ESPN dot com read his stuff right there.
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  Speaker 1: Jeff Legwald always joins us via the International Brotherhood of
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  Speaker 1: Electrical Workers IBW Local sixty eight. With a job and
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  Speaker 1: with a career. Jeff Legwald, you are a cheese at
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  Speaker 1: Citrus Bowl champion. Thank you, my friend.
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  Speaker 2: Made I think it's very clear that's the most important
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  Speaker 2: bowl game of the of the bowl season.
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  Speaker 4: Really, because Brom looked like he enjoyed his frosted flakes
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  Speaker 4: bath and then he had Tony the Tiger kind of
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  Speaker 4: leering near him, and that was all weird.
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  Speaker 2: Everyone knows if you're not playing for Tabasco, Jesus, it's
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  Speaker 2: not worth it.
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  Speaker 3: No, no, it's pop Tarts. Pop Tarts is the way
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  Speaker 3: to go.
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  Speaker 1: Bacon and white cheddar, my friend, Thank you, Jeff Legwald,
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  Speaker 1: Jeff Legwald, everybody with us right there on a lovely
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  Speaker 1: Tuesday afternoon,