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The COVID Data in New York Was Faked · UK Column Radio

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Speaker 1: My background, my pre twenty twenty background, I should say,
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Speaker 1: is in education. I live in the Chicago area. I
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Speaker 1: have a PhD in educational psychology from the University of Virginia,
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Speaker 1: and I spent a twenty year career working in schools,
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Speaker 1: first as a teacher, middle school teacher, but then really
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Speaker 1: as a teacher of teachers. I worked with schools and
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Speaker 1: a lot of different ways, did a lot of different
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Speaker 1: kinds of consulting. A lot of it teaching teachers how
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Speaker 1: to teach better is the simple, simple way to put it.
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Speaker 1: But I did some program evaluation and analysis and other
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Speaker 1: other kinds of work as well. Taught some online classes
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Speaker 1: simultaneously for UVA, did a lot of conferences and things
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Speaker 1: like that. Wrote several books, book chapters, articles. Yeah, so
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Speaker 1: that was all all pre twenty twenty and twenty twenty
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Speaker 1: changed a lot of that for me. But I had
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Speaker 1: a good run. I had a really good twenty year
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Speaker 1: career in education. What changed, well, in case you did it, no,
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Speaker 1: was the something?
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Speaker 2: Was there? Something that happened.
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Speaker 1: March twenty twenty. The human rights heist of March twenty twenty,
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Speaker 1: I call it war was declared by numerous countries and
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Speaker 1: the who against the populace of the world, and we
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Speaker 1: were told that there was a silent spreading threat that
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Speaker 1: was coming from China to a country near you and
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Speaker 1: that we needed to shut down. So at least in
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Speaker 1: my country, the order to do that came around. It
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Speaker 1: depends when you market from. But the national emergency was
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Speaker 1: declared on March thirteenth, and then on March sixteenth, President
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Speaker 1: Trump said fifteen days to slow the spread, right, like
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Speaker 1: we're running a drill. Okay, everybody, fifteen days to slow
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Speaker 1: the spread, and things shut down. Schools closed, churches closed.
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Speaker 1: That was crazy. I've never seen any I never seen
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Speaker 1: anything like that. And so far as churches and houses
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Speaker 1: of worship obedience, Yeah, life was and we knew it
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Speaker 1: just completely disrupted and people people said, okay, but I
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Speaker 1: will I will say that people a lot of people
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Speaker 1: thought it was only going to be two weeks. In retrospect,
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Speaker 1: I realize and you probably do too, that it was
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Speaker 1: never going to be two weeks, never ever going to
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Speaker 1: be two weeks. That was not the plan. And yeah,
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Speaker 1: a lot of things change for me and millions, if
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Speaker 1: not billions of people around the world.
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Speaker 2: So somebody asked me the other day if I would
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Speaker 2: like to go back to the pre twenty twenty era,
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Speaker 2: and after thinking about it, I actually wouldn't.
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Speaker 1: Why not.
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Speaker 2: I feel more enlightened now, don't you.
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Speaker 1: Yes, yes, but I lost a lot and you probably
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Speaker 1: did too. I don't know your entire backstory, but I
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Speaker 1: lost a lot, and I think that's important because some
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Speaker 1: people lost very little. Some people are way better off
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Speaker 1: now than they were in twenty nineteen because of twenty twenty. Now,
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Speaker 1: let me say I'm not in a disadvantage position. I'm not.
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Speaker 1: So many people their lives were completely disrupted and you know, economically, professionally,
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Speaker 1: you know, bought them to the to the bottom. We
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Speaker 1: have kind of a buffer in our in our situation,
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Speaker 1: but it was very hard and very very hard for
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Speaker 1: for my kids. And uh, I don't know, I don't
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Speaker 1: know if I would. That's a tough question for me.
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Speaker 1: Would I go back to twenty nineteen. It's very hard
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Speaker 1: to say.
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Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean, I think, you know, if I think
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Speaker 2: about my own family, non vaccines, you know, my child,
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Speaker 2: and and my view on vaccines and my view on
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Speaker 2: pandemics and all that, I think, you know, I feel
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Speaker 2: like I'm in a much better intellectual space.
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Speaker 1: Sure, yes, I mean I know things now that I
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Speaker 1: didn't know then that I'm glad that I know. I
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Speaker 1: just wish it wouldn't have taken that for me to
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Speaker 1: know them. I think that's that's more more what it is.
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Speaker 1: And uh, we don't have to talk about this. But
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Speaker 1: even things like you know the the moon, right, did
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Speaker 1: we land on on the moon with my dinner? You know,
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Speaker 1: when you're out with out with people be like, so,
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Speaker 1: why haven't we gone back.
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Speaker 2: That? Right there? I think that right there it puts
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Speaker 2: a mises the covid era. So you start of talking
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Speaker 2: about whether or not there was a pandemic and you
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Speaker 2: end up talking talking about the moon landing.
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Speaker 1: The other way around. See that's see, that's the strategy.
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Speaker 1: The strategy is that if you bring up like why
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Speaker 1: haven't we gone back to the moon, and someone will
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Speaker 1: be like, back do you think we went? Or someone
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Speaker 1: else was like I don't know about that, but what
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Speaker 1: about JFK or what about it? Right? And so it
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Speaker 1: is it's a back doorway of getting to the pandemic
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Speaker 1: because opening a conversation with so I don't think there
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Speaker 1: was a pandemic, what do you think we're not there yet.
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Speaker 1: We're not there yet. In most circles, we're not there yet.
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Speaker 2: So take me back now to twenty twenty. You've written
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Speaker 2: extensively about New York. Tell me what you observed and
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Speaker 2: how you got into looking into it.
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Speaker 1: Sure, well, I didn't really start looking into the mass
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Speaker 1: casualty event of Spring twenty twenty in New York till
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Speaker 1: maybe twenty twenty one or so. There was such a
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Speaker 1: shock and awe campaign in twenty twenty, you know, and
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Speaker 1: I have two kids. My husband was deemed an essential worker.
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Speaker 1: He's in restaurants, so he's still still going to work.
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Speaker 1: So I was just trying to figure out what was
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Speaker 1: going on. In Chicago, we have every death that is
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Speaker 1: processed by the medical Examiner is in a public database.
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Speaker 1: So I was pouring over that like you would not believe.
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Speaker 1: I was never afraid of the virus, but I was
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Speaker 1: trying to figure out, like, who is allegedly dying of
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Speaker 1: this thing. But in twenty twenty one or so, when
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Speaker 1: I was looking with some other people, I was in
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Speaker 1: a group with at New York and looking at just
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Speaker 1: the scale of the event. Twenty seven thousand extra people
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Speaker 1: allegedly died in eleven weeks, most of it in six weeks,
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Speaker 1: ten times the number of people that died in the
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Speaker 1: World Trade Center disaster in excess death. It's unbelievable. It
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Speaker 1: has to be the biggest non war casualty event in
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Speaker 1: US history. And so you can see in my tweets
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Speaker 1: and when I started substacking more about it in July
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Speaker 1: twenty twenty at twenty twenty two, excuse me, I was
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Speaker 1: kicked off of Twitter temporarily for about five and a
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Speaker 1: half months. You can see me just going through in
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Speaker 1: an inquiring mind, wants to know fashion like what happened
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Speaker 1: here everyone, and trying to probe and dig into data
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Speaker 1: and request data from different agencies and entities. And I
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Speaker 1: have to tell you that when I started out, I
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Speaker 1: didn't really think, oh, this might be fabricated or you know,
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Speaker 1: in part fabricated or a manipulated event. But a couple
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Speaker 1: of years later, it was just it was impossible to
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Speaker 1: ignore and to deny. So and now I think that
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Speaker 1: data sets around the world are probably manipulated, almost certainly
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Speaker 1: New York City and then Bergamo, Italy. That's an another
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Speaker 1: just incredible event that's unprecedented, that is not corroborated by
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Speaker 1: on the ground evidence, and I'm not buying it. I
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Speaker 1: just don't buy it, would you mind.
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Speaker 2: I'm pecking that a bit more than New York daughter.
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Speaker 1: What makes it so incredible, what makes it so incredible,
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Speaker 1: is that actually, like everywhere in the world, you have
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Speaker 1: nothing going on in any time series data of any kind,
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Speaker 1: So not just death the number of deaths that are
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Speaker 1: happening each day, but nine to one one calls, ambulance dispatches,
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Speaker 1: anything having to do with emergency department visits. Everything is normal.
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Speaker 1: Then all of a sudden, President Trump says fifteen days
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Speaker 1: to slow the spread, and you see the data really
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Speaker 1: near synchronously, every kind of data shoot up. The deaths
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Speaker 1: go from I think one hundred and twenty five to
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Speaker 1: one hundred and thirty a day to day after day
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Speaker 1: after day of one thousand plus deaths. It's incredible. All
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Speaker 1: places or settings of death rise pretty near simultaneously, All
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Speaker 1: ancestry groups rise pretty near simultaneously, all age groups rise
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Speaker 1: pretty near simultaneously. And it's just not what you would expect,
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Speaker 1: or what we were led to expect would happen with
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Speaker 1: a spreading virus. And this analogy isn't mine. It's my
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Speaker 1: colleague Jonathan Englers that he came up with from looking
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Speaker 1: at similar data in northern Italy and Lombardi. And you
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Speaker 1: would expect a spreading disease to build, sort of like
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Speaker 1: a forest fire if somebody left a barbecue on or
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Speaker 1: somebody lit a match on one tree, you would expect
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Speaker 1: to see signs or smoke signals, if you will. In
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Speaker 1: the data building up in Stea, what we see is
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Speaker 1: something like a bomb, actually not just one bomb, but
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Speaker 1: repeated bombs going off over and over again. And in
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Speaker 1: New York too, we have something that we don't really
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Speaker 1: see anywhere else, and we have a massive increase in
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Speaker 1: deaths among younger groups. It is, you know, beneath age
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Speaker 1: sixty or so. In the age groups of twenty five
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Speaker 1: to fifty four years old, deaths rose almost two hundred
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Speaker 1: percent base to peak. I mean, even for people who
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Speaker 1: believe in COVID or believe that there was a new
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Speaker 1: disease on the scene, that's pretty incredible. And we have
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Speaker 1: no real corroboration from smartphones, right, I mean, there's a
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Speaker 1: lot of people in New York with smartphones. Right, we
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Speaker 1: don't have video of bodies being managed. We don't have
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Speaker 1: a memorial to this event, we don't have documentaries about it.
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Speaker 1: The number of bodies that are purported to have been
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Speaker 1: handled in hospitals is incredible, but we don't hear test
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Speaker 1: monies to that effect shortly after the event or even
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Speaker 1: many years later, So it's just not adding up. And
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Speaker 1: I like to contrast it with nine to eleven. I
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Speaker 1: don't know a lot about nine to eleven. We don't
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Speaker 1: have to get into that. That's somebody else's rabbitable. But
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Speaker 1: with nine to eleven, the buildings came down. Nobody denies
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Speaker 1: that the buildings came down, and reportedly twenty eight hundred people.
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Speaker 1: Twenty eight hundred people died in that event, So the
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Speaker 1: number of deaths makes sense with the scale of the cataclysm, right,
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Speaker 1: But then we have ten times the number of people
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Speaker 1: who died in spring twenty twenty, most of it in
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Speaker 1: six weeks, but we don't really have any evidence of it.
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Speaker 1: So we have a lot of dogs that didn't bark.
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Speaker 1: That's a simple way of putting it.
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Speaker 2: When you say there isn't any evidence of it, are
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Speaker 2: those numbers corroborated with actual names of people?
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Speaker 1: Only the people who are buried on Heart Island New
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Speaker 1: York City is pretty unusual in the United States, and
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Speaker 1: that it has for its public burials, so people who
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Speaker 1: don't have loved ones or can't afford a private burial,
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Speaker 1: all New York City residents are entitled to a burial
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Speaker 1: on Heart Island. And it's unique because it's because it's
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Speaker 1: an island, right, and it's pretty hard to access. So
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Speaker 1: those records, the names, and some basic information of the
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Speaker 1: people who are buried on Heart Island are available. That's
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Speaker 1: about nineteen hundred people if memory serves, and we have
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Speaker 1: a total casualty event of the whole period of thirty
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Speaker 1: eight thousand people. Twenty seven thousand is excess. So there's
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Speaker 1: just not enough in order to substantiate it. And New
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Speaker 1: York State, New York City, they don't allow death records
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Speaker 1: to be accessed via public record request. Some states do,
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Speaker 1: but New York doesn't. So if you wanted to pull
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Speaker 1: off a staged event, and I believe this event was staged,
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Speaker 1: but if you wanted to pull off a staged event
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Speaker 1: to kick off your pandemic, New York City for a
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Speaker 1: lot of reasons, but it including reasons having to do
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Speaker 1: with a lack of access to records would be the
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Speaker 1: place to do it for sure.
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Speaker 2: Okay, so just as Davil's advocate, are there any other
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Speaker 2: loopholes in that? I mean, so for example, could they
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Speaker 2: be buried elsewhere? Could they be cremated? What about the
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Speaker 2: fact that maybe they didn't die, were they just severely ill?
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Speaker 1: Sure? Well, what I question is the all cause? Let
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Speaker 1: me I have it on a little piece of paper.
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Speaker 1: I don't know if that's going to show up. We
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Speaker 1: have this this is January first, twenty nineteen, right, and
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Speaker 1: so we have nothing going on, nothing going on, nothing
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Speaker 1: going on, massive rise of about seven to eight percent,
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Speaker 1: and then a massive drop and then nothing is going
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Speaker 1: on for the rest of the year. So this is
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Speaker 1: all deaths, all causes. It's an incredible event. So no,
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Speaker 1: there is no way to get all of the names.
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Speaker 1: All we have our numbers in sports streets, which you know.
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Speaker 1: I have a problem with that because the government should
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Speaker 1: not be allowed to privatize death records. They have every
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Speaker 1: incentive to lie about death, don't they. The number, the nature,
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Speaker 1: the speed. So I've written a lot about how this
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Speaker 1: could have occurred, data engineering wise, what we could be
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Speaker 1: looking at here We could be looking at debts, some
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Speaker 1: deaths that occurred beforehand and afterwards and that were pushed
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Speaker 1: up into the curve. Could be also looking at some
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Speaker 1: fabricated that's like, just hit some extra extra digits. But
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Speaker 1: this is not an observe. I'm talking to scientists here.
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Speaker 1: This is not an observed event. Just because we have
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Speaker 1: numbers and spreadsheets doesn't mean that those are observations or
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Speaker 1: necessarily representations of death records. We would need to minimally
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Speaker 1: have the death records released.
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Speaker 2: But could you I mean, this is in New York City.
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Speaker 2: You know exactly which hospitals are ware You could also
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Speaker 2: ask them about it. What I mean, what are their responses?
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Speaker 1: Sure you mean going to the hospitals or do you
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Speaker 1: mean yeah, I could go to the hospitals. It's interesting
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Speaker 1: there were on the ground reporters and journalists at the time,
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Speaker 1: sort of the independent ilk who went around with cameras
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Speaker 1: and showed that there was nothing going on. Hospitals were
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Speaker 1: not not busy. I mean the hospitals. Just to give
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Speaker 1: you a sense of scale, they let that more than
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Speaker 1: around twenty thousand people died in the time period in
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Speaker 1: hospital impatient That's the same number of beds that hospitals have,
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Speaker 1: so think about that. They're claiming to have lost the
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Speaker 1: equivalent of every bed in that time period. So yeah,
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Speaker 1: you could go and ask I have a lot of
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Speaker 1: data from the public hospital system. See a lot of
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Speaker 1: these hospitals in New York City are private, so you
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Speaker 1: can't get the data or certain data from them. But
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Speaker 1: the public hospitals, one sort of red flag with them
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Speaker 1: has been that they don't want to give me data.
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Speaker 1: Really in twenty nineteen or sooner, they don't want to
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Speaker 1: give me the baseline data. They keep saying that it's
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Speaker 1: locked in a black box and they can't access it,
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Speaker 1: and they keep giving all of these excuses. So in
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Speaker 1: my inquiry now that's been over a couple of years,
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Speaker 1: a huge red flag has been that they just don't
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Speaker 1: they don't want to release any anything. I think because
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Speaker 1: they know what I'm looking for is the plain fact.
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Speaker 2: So what do you think happened? Then they just insighted
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Speaker 2: all the numbers.
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Speaker 1: I think that's part of it. I think that they
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Speaker 1: in the future, if something comes out, I think they
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Speaker 1: will blame some kind of computer error. New York City
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Speaker 1: hospitals were changing computer systems at that time. Which are
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Speaker 1: record keeping systems, which I think was intentional. But I
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Speaker 1: think they'll fall back and say, well, we were changing systems,
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Speaker 1: so blah blah blah. I think maybe it was the
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Speaker 1: data was military controlled, not just in New York but
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Speaker 1: in other places as well. You might remember the dashboards,
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Speaker 1: like the Johns Hopkins University dashboard. But what people don't realize.
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Speaker 1: I was actually explaining this to my daughter the other day.
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Speaker 1: People don't realize that you cannot find out how many
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Speaker 1: people died in Cape Town yesterday. I cannot find out
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Speaker 1: how many people died in Chicago yesterday. There is no
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Speaker 1: such thing as real time death reporting. It doesn't matter
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Speaker 1: what the cause is. There's always delays for a lot
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Speaker 1: of different reasons. So I think in colleagues of Mind
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Speaker 1: has said this too. I think part of what we
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Speaker 1: saw in real time is we actually saw models that
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Speaker 1: were being put out, and reality could not keep up
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Speaker 1: with the models, and so we might be looking at
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Speaker 1: people who died at some point, but not in that moment,
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Speaker 1: not in those weeks, and certainly not because a spreading
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Speaker 1: novel coronavirus dropped on a like a bomb on New
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Speaker 1: York and some other selected places so it's fraud, I think,
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Speaker 1: no matter what, because what happened or what the government
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Speaker 1: purports to have happened, did not happen for the reasons
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Speaker 1: that they say. But what makes my work, I think
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Speaker 1: different is that I'm saying saying I don't think the
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Speaker 1: event happened as presented at all, right, which doesn't mean
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Speaker 1: that there wasn't excess. I do believe there was excess,
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Speaker 1: But in New York, I think the toll is off
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Speaker 1: in some way, shape or form by about four to
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Speaker 1: ten thousand deaths, which you know, that's a massive that's
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Speaker 1: a massive act of fraud. And if it's not, then
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Speaker 1: they should be able to prove it, right, just the
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Speaker 1: basic like, did this happen? Did the number of people
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Speaker 1: that you're claiming to have died on each day actually
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Speaker 1: die on those days, regardless of cause in the places
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Speaker 1: that you claim? This is very This is very basic
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Speaker 1: and should just be released automatically.
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Speaker 2: You said those excess what caused that?
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Speaker 1: Sure? Well, any any excess that is genuine I believe
19:48
Speaker 1: and have tried to make the cases just straight in
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Speaker 1: hospitals and care homes, it's just straight up demicide where
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Speaker 1: and I'm not saying individuals committed murder. But there were
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Speaker 1: policies and protocols that were put into place involving ventilators
20:04
Speaker 1: and the use of sedatives, people being neglected, people receiving
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Speaker 1: too much oxygen. There's like a laundry list of things
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Speaker 1: that are pretty well documented as occurring at that time.
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Speaker 1: So in hospitals and care homes it would be iatric.
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Speaker 1: I mean, people can say iatrogenic if they want to.
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Speaker 1: It's the treatment that caused it. What's really interesting about
20:27
Speaker 1: New York too, is that they have an incredible home
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Speaker 1: death event, massive rise in deaths at home, most of
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Speaker 1: it blamed on cardiac arrest, which is pretty pretty crazy
20:42
Speaker 1: because you see it. Well not I'm going to say
20:47
Speaker 1: no to that. I'm going to say that no, that
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Speaker 1: cardiac arrest can of the of the nature and shape
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Speaker 1: of the curve that it is in New York City,
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Speaker 1: is not stress induced, and if it is, that that
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Speaker 1: needs to be investigated by researchers. There were protocols put
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Speaker 1: into place at the time with EMS services where EMS
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Speaker 1: services were pretty much instructed to withhold normal life saving
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Speaker 1: measures for people in cardiac arrest. So I think that's
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Speaker 1: in the mix, and I think there might be some
21:22
Speaker 1: things in the mix involving drugs and fentanyl, but I'm
21:27
Speaker 1: not one hundred percent on that. But that's something else
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Speaker 1: that could trigger cardiac arrest of the nature and shape
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Speaker 1: that we see in New York City. But none of
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Speaker 1: it's a virus, that's for sure.
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Speaker 2: Okay, So that's the segue to my next question, was
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Speaker 2: the pandemic.
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Speaker 1: No, And unlike some other people who say that there
21:48
Speaker 1: was or will concede that there was no pandemic, I
21:51
Speaker 1: don't think there was a pandemic by any definition, including
21:55
Speaker 1: the bogus one that the Who came up with in
21:57
Speaker 1: two thousand and nine, because every the current definition of
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Speaker 1: a pandemic involves spread or the spread of something, and
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Speaker 1: usually the spread of something novel over an area of
22:11
Speaker 1: people or over the globe, and there's just no evidence
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Speaker 1: of spread or of something transmitting from person to person.
22:22
Speaker 1: And with things like the lab leak theory or oh
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Speaker 1: it came from China, we just had this incredible sequence
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Speaker 1: of events in terms of speed or what is purported
22:30
Speaker 1: with speed, that we had something leave a lab or
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Speaker 1: labs in Wuhan, transmit from person to person and then
22:41
Speaker 1: create mass casualty events in geopolitically strategic locations. I mean,
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Speaker 1: you might remember Iran. Do you remember Iran said that
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Speaker 1: they lost or it was reported that Iran lost twelve
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Speaker 1: regime officials to the coronavirus. And then we had it
22:56
Speaker 1: in Italy, and then we had it in Madrid, and
22:59
Speaker 1: then we had it in New York and New Orleans
23:02
Speaker 1: and all these strategic places. In the meantime, the virus
23:06
Speaker 1: is allegedly coming from the West onto the United States,
23:10
Speaker 1: and we don't see a mass casualty event of huge
23:14
Speaker 1: proportions in Los Angeles or Seattle, where the first case
23:19
Speaker 1: was reported. It's it's incredible. So we just don't have
23:25
Speaker 1: the evidence for what the government or what the official
23:28
Speaker 1: story alleges actually occurred. I think we just have lies
23:33
Speaker 1: and lies about lies.
23:36
Speaker 2: Unfortunately, so there was no pandemic. Was there a novel
23:42
Speaker 2: virus though.
23:45
Speaker 1: I don't see I don't see evidence of one. Of course,
23:48
Speaker 1: I've come to the place where im like, what what
23:50
Speaker 1: is a what is a virus? I mean, these are
23:55
Speaker 1: really just basic questions. I am not a scientist, but
24:00
Speaker 1: you know, what is a virus? And I've had conversations
24:02
Speaker 1: with virologists like, how do you know that a virus
24:06
Speaker 1: gets passed from one person to another? Like my husband
24:10
Speaker 1: and I sleep together and have for twenty seven years,
24:13
Speaker 1: but we've never been sick at the same time. So
24:17
Speaker 1: if I don't get sick from him, or if I
24:19
Speaker 1: don't catch a virus from him, how can I catch
24:23
Speaker 1: it from the guy at the grocery store? And how
24:26
Speaker 1: do we know that these things transmit? And there's just
24:30
Speaker 1: not a lot of evidence for it. What we have
24:32
Speaker 1: is testing. We have the launch of testing that purports
24:36
Speaker 1: to detect these viral things, and then it creates an
24:40
Speaker 1: illusion of something spreading. But without the tests, you wouldn't
24:47
Speaker 1: have a sense that anything was going on. Right, And
24:50
Speaker 1: I don't know about in Cape down, but in Chicago,
24:52
Speaker 1: where this second case in the United States was announced,
24:55
Speaker 1: I didn't know anybody in those first six months of
24:58
Speaker 1: twenty twenty who got sick or who was who was
25:02
Speaker 1: getting sick. So again, our experiences contradict what we were
25:06
Speaker 1: seeing on the screen. And it's amazing how the government,
25:11
Speaker 1: I'll just use that term, they were able to create
25:15
Speaker 1: the appearance of something that really contradicted our own experiences
25:19
Speaker 1: and make people think that they were experiencing something that
25:22
Speaker 1: they weren't experiencing at all, unless your experiences were different.
25:28
Speaker 1: In twenty twenty, we didn't have anything going on here
25:31
Speaker 1: except for what they said was going on in nursing
25:34
Speaker 1: homes and hospitals, right, But we had a lot of theatrics.
25:39
Speaker 1: There were refrigerator trucks, there was Andrew Cuomo giving a
25:42
Speaker 1: press conference every day. But meanwhile, we don't see bodies
25:47
Speaker 1: in the street. We don't see.
25:51
Speaker 2: Right.
25:52
Speaker 1: So you know, in some ways it is like the
25:55
Speaker 1: moon landing. I'm sorry to bring that up again, but
25:58
Speaker 1: that is sort of you know what one of the
26:00
Speaker 1: instances real You go back and did you really see
26:04
Speaker 1: what you think you saw?
26:06
Speaker 2: But this is the thing, This is the thing, Jessica.
26:10
Speaker 2: If they were sorry, if there was a deadly pandemic,
26:17
Speaker 2: it would have been self evident. It wouldn't have required
26:20
Speaker 2: billboards and mass media marketing and everybody constantly telling us
26:25
Speaker 2: that there is a pandemic, right. And I think that
26:29
Speaker 2: feeds into the psychology of what you're talking about, where
26:31
Speaker 2: people started believing something.
26:35
Speaker 1: Yeah, they did. They believed that the numbers on the screen.
26:38
Speaker 1: They believed I think because people had been told and
26:41
Speaker 1: taught at least in the United States and certainly healthcare workers,
26:44
Speaker 1: but others too. We've been taught certain things about pandemics
26:47
Speaker 1: of the past, and we've been taught that a pandemic
26:50
Speaker 1: is coming, a pandemic is coming. We've been told pandemic
26:54
Speaker 1: ghost stories. I don't know if you know Miriam Abody,
26:57
Speaker 1: that's her, that's her her metaphor like that. Peopleeople were
27:00
Speaker 1: told these things, and the pandemic planning industry told themselves
27:05
Speaker 1: those things. Do they believe it? Probably some of them do,
27:09
Speaker 1: but so they kept portending a pandemic. In the meantime,
27:13
Speaker 1: we had the expansion again, at least in the US
27:16
Speaker 1: of We had the expansion of flu testing and flu
27:19
Speaker 1: surveillance programs started surveilling coronaviruses. So what you see leading
27:25
Speaker 1: up to twenty twenty looks very much like this concerted
27:29
Speaker 1: effort to maybe find something that can be blamed as
27:35
Speaker 1: a pathogen, right, something that can be staged as a
27:41
Speaker 1: new disease. And this new disease, you might remember, I mean,
27:46
Speaker 1: COVID doesn't really have any unique properties that are unique
27:51
Speaker 1: to the disease. The laundry list of symptoms is completely
27:57
Speaker 1: unremarkable and not having symptoms. This is also a symptom.
28:00
Speaker 1: Did you know that? So asymptomatic, asymptomatic and asymptomatic transmission. Right,
28:07
Speaker 1: That's one of the ways that they kept people. I
28:11
Speaker 1: don't even want to say afraid. I do think people
28:12
Speaker 1: were afraid in the beginning, but really it was more
28:14
Speaker 1: about compliance and obedience. We had an emphasis here in
28:18
Speaker 1: the US. It's unbelievable to look back at now, but
28:22
Speaker 1: we had these postcards that went out to millions of
28:25
Speaker 1: homes fifteen days to slow the spread. And if you
28:28
Speaker 1: look at the postcard now, you'll see that it says
28:31
Speaker 1: even the young and healthy are at risk. They were
28:35
Speaker 1: almost like war leaflets. It's like we were simulating a war,
28:39
Speaker 1: Like you send out these leaf lits like the keep calm,
28:42
Speaker 1: carry on, but stay home, save lives. You don't want
28:46
Speaker 1: to be responsible for killing Gramma. All these things that
28:50
Speaker 1: they look curiously like a chemical attack drill to me
28:55
Speaker 1: in retrospect, the putting up of the field hospitals. Did
28:58
Speaker 1: you have that in South Ambona? They were all over
29:00
Speaker 1: the world. They weren't just this is something I realized
29:03
Speaker 1: not too long ago, but wow, everybody was putting up
29:07
Speaker 1: field hospitals.
29:08
Speaker 2: They were empty, and.
29:10
Speaker 1: They were empty, but I would say that they were
29:13
Speaker 1: part of a drill. They were part of a very
29:15
Speaker 1: successful militarized drill where the world is pretending that we're
29:21
Speaker 1: going through a war against an invisible enemy, as Donald
29:26
Speaker 1: Trump and Andrew Cuomo like to call it, with these
29:30
Speaker 1: press conference updates every day. I mean, it's just amazing,
29:33
Speaker 1: But meanwhile, nothing was really going on in reality, and
29:37
Speaker 1: I think that's hard for people to reconcile. It really
29:41
Speaker 1: is hard for people to reconcile, even in the distance past,
29:44
Speaker 1: like the Rosa Now experiments or the British Common Cold Unit,
29:48
Speaker 1: all of these really decades of experiments where challenge trials,
29:54
Speaker 1: if you will, where researchers try to make people get
29:59
Speaker 1: sick from a people but some of them by doing
30:01
Speaker 1: really crazy things, are somewhat unethical things that we wouldn't
30:05
Speaker 1: do today, and they're not able to do it. I
30:08
Speaker 1: think last year there was something like that with stars
30:10
Speaker 1: Kov two right where they tried to get people sick
30:13
Speaker 1: from it and they couldn't do it. So it really
30:16
Speaker 1: raises a lot of questions about, or has for me,
30:19
Speaker 1: about what the things called viruses are. My daughter gets
30:23
Speaker 1: kind of mad at me. She's like, I don't you
30:24
Speaker 1: don't believe in viruses. That's so weird. Tell me, do
30:27
Speaker 1: you believe in viruses? I'm like, you know, it's not
30:31
Speaker 1: that I don't believe in viruses. It's that I'm not
30:34
Speaker 1: sure that the things called viruses are what we've been
30:36
Speaker 1: told and sold. And I don't think they have the
30:39
Speaker 1: mechanistic properties or that they're necessarily causes versus effects. I'm
30:45
Speaker 1: not sure they're in the air. There are people that
30:47
Speaker 1: say viruses or the viram is everywhere and they're in
30:50
Speaker 1: the upper atmosphere, which is very different. I explained to
30:53
Speaker 1: her from saying people don't get sick, are you saying
30:56
Speaker 1: people don't get sick? No, I'm not saying people don't
30:58
Speaker 1: get sick. Well, I'm questioned is whether this thing called
31:01
Speaker 1: a virus is the cause of that illness. And isn't
31:06
Speaker 1: it convenient for you know, our overlords that we can't
31:09
Speaker 1: see it. There's not, you know, a lot of evidence
31:12
Speaker 1: that these things exist or that they pass like and
31:15
Speaker 1: then they can just make us afraid of it. It
31:17
Speaker 1: just seems like a huge cover story for other things
31:20
Speaker 1: to me. And I'm sorry, but.
31:21
Speaker 2: It does in a weird kind of correlation. It connects
31:25
Speaker 2: to the data from New York in that the argument
31:31
Speaker 2: surrounding contagion is very much based on computer modeling, sure, right, right, So.
31:39
Speaker 1: Through through a computer modeling, and I would say, and
31:42
Speaker 1: I'm getting into an area that I don't know a
31:44
Speaker 1: ton about. But since the advent of like genomic sequencing,
31:49
Speaker 1: right and next next generation sequencing and things like that, Yeah, yeah,
31:55
Speaker 1: PCR testing, we have we have these scientists finding things
32:00
Speaker 1: and it's almost like they think that they can explore
32:03
Speaker 1: the intricacies of the human body and reconstruct something. It's
32:08
Speaker 1: like a tower of Babbel. I think. I think they
32:11
Speaker 1: don't know what they're looking at. They underestimate the complexity
32:16
Speaker 1: of our design. They think they're seeing things that they're
32:21
Speaker 1: that they're not not seeing. And then yeah, you have
32:24
Speaker 1: PCR tests that are that are very sensitive and they're
32:27
Speaker 1: picking up these fragments of things. But whether these fragments
32:30
Speaker 1: of things are connected to illness or how they're connected
32:34
Speaker 1: to illness, I've just realized through basic reading, like they
32:37
Speaker 1: don't know. And even just basically talking to virologists, I'm like, oh, yeah,
32:40
Speaker 1: they don't know. They do a lot of inferring here,
32:43
Speaker 1: but there's no there's no real evidence for it.
32:46
Speaker 2: But if what you're saying is true, then it means
32:49
Speaker 2: something else happened in twenty twenty.
32:54
Speaker 1: Right, right, I mean demicide, right, demicide?
32:58
Speaker 2: But it would mean something bigger, should It would mean
33:02
Speaker 2: a collaboration of sorts between pharmaceutical companies and military governments.
33:09
Speaker 1: Yeah? Absolutely, So you know, again, unlike some other people,
33:13
Speaker 1: I believe that the events of twenty twenty were planned
33:17
Speaker 1: and long long planned. When people ask me, well, who
33:22
Speaker 1: you know who? Who planned it? My response to that is, well,
33:27
Speaker 1: at minimum, whoa the who? Like that's the front facing
33:34
Speaker 1: entity that sounded an alarm in late twenty nineteen, they
33:41
Speaker 1: told us there was a pandemic, they put out this
33:44
Speaker 1: PCR test, Like, at minimum, they are perpetrators as our
33:50
Speaker 1: government and public health officials of every major country in
33:53
Speaker 1: the world that agreed that there was a pandemic and
33:56
Speaker 1: declared an emergency. So I'm not necessarily looking for And
34:00
Speaker 1: then you have people like Bill Gates or some private
34:03
Speaker 1: public interests and people who've been pretending a pandemic for
34:07
Speaker 1: ages and think that they can eradicate disease. Right, Pharma
34:12
Speaker 1: has a lot of interests. I think they were trying
34:15
Speaker 1: to cover up things that were going on with vaccines
34:18
Speaker 1: and the flu shot. I think that has been causing
34:21
Speaker 1: problems for a long time, and ultimately we have decades
34:26
Speaker 1: of lies about disease being protected. There's a lot at
34:30
Speaker 1: stake here, and I think maybe the COVID shot I'm
34:33
Speaker 1: a little different in this regard to I think it
34:36
Speaker 1: was designed to fail. I don't think it was ever
34:39
Speaker 1: set up to be a success. I think it's taken
34:41
Speaker 1: the blame for a lot of other things, and that
34:44
Speaker 1: the perpetrators would rather have the focus be on the
34:47
Speaker 1: COVID shot than a lot of other things that were
34:52
Speaker 1: going on.
34:54
Speaker 2: What do you mean design to fail? What does that mean?
34:58
Speaker 1: I don't think there was. Let me moderate that a
35:00
Speaker 1: little bit. I don't think there was an expectation that
35:03
Speaker 1: the COVID shot was going to do anything other than
35:09
Speaker 1: serve as a proof of concept exercise and distract from
35:15
Speaker 1: the truth about twenty twenty and some other things that
35:19
Speaker 1: were going on. I think that so some people say,
35:22
Speaker 1: like Mike E might say that the motive was to
35:26
Speaker 1: simply launch mRNA toward digital ID. They're trying to depopulate
35:32
Speaker 1: the world or control the population. I think those things
35:35
Speaker 1: are probably in the mix. But I think part of
35:39
Speaker 1: the catalyst was covering things up in the United States,
35:43
Speaker 1: things going on with opioids and the failure to I
35:46
Speaker 1: won't even call it the opioid epidemic because I think
35:49
Speaker 1: it was the government not doing what it should to
35:52
Speaker 1: control the fentanyl fentanyl supply that was coming in. Like
35:57
Speaker 1: I said, decades of lies about vaccine that were causing
36:01
Speaker 1: harms in the elderly and possibly in children. So the
36:04
Speaker 1: COVID shot comes on, or we have this staged pandemic,
36:08
Speaker 1: launches this this shot, they say it stops transmission. I
36:12
Speaker 1: mean all of these things. Nobody needed a shot at all.
36:16
Speaker 1: Nobody did because you lied about a spreading, spreading disease.
36:20
Speaker 1: But I think that they never really had any expectation
36:24
Speaker 1: for it to do much other than to serve as
36:27
Speaker 1: an excuse to launch mr ANDA and to distract from
36:31
Speaker 1: other things that were going on, and you know they did.
36:33
Speaker 1: I think they lie about uptake data too. I don't
36:35
Speaker 1: trust the uptake data, but you know they Operation COVID
36:39
Speaker 1: was a success. I mean, they prove that they could
36:42
Speaker 1: use a story of numbers on a screen and get
36:46
Speaker 1: us to obey, and that they could get a huge
36:48
Speaker 1: percentage of the population afraid enough to take an injection.
36:54
Speaker 1: I don't know anybody who took the COVID shot who
36:57
Speaker 1: wasn't afraid in some way, Afraid that wouldn't travel, afraid
37:01
Speaker 1: that they wouldn't be able to go to their ladies
37:03
Speaker 1: lunch and hold their head up, afraid that their kids
37:07
Speaker 1: wouldn't be able to go back to school, afraid that
37:09
Speaker 1: they wouldn't kill their grandma. Do you see what I'm saying.
37:13
Speaker 1: So I just think it was a huge success. And
37:15
Speaker 1: even though I support the work of so many people
37:19
Speaker 1: that are uncovering the harms, like the real physical harms
37:23
Speaker 1: that the shot did to people, I think, without also
37:28
Speaker 1: calling out the fake pandemic, we're sort of still right
37:33
Speaker 1: where they want us to be that they're away with that.
37:36
Speaker 1: So again that's a minority viewpoint, but that's how I
37:40
Speaker 1: see it at this point in twenty twenty.
37:41
Speaker 2: Five, So in twenty twenty Trump was the president of
37:46
Speaker 2: the US. Do you think at the time, pre March
37:51
Speaker 2: he was a blockhead who was just simply played by
37:54
Speaker 2: the military, or or was he actually smarter than we think.
37:58
Speaker 1: No, Trump is not sue. Donald Trump is not a
38:01
Speaker 1: stupid man. I think again, in retrospect, I think Donald
38:05
Speaker 1: Trump had probably been primed to be president for a
38:08
Speaker 1: long time, or was seen as a candidate for a
38:11
Speaker 1: long time. I'm not sure that in twenty sixteen that
38:16
Speaker 1: his victory was as surprising necessarily as some people would think.
38:21
Speaker 1: You know, if you're thinking from a planned pandemic point
38:23
Speaker 1: of view, Donald Trump is the perfect hyper reality pandemic
38:28
Speaker 1: TV show president. I mean, it does not get any
38:31
Speaker 1: better than Donald Trump at the podium on the White
38:35
Speaker 1: House lawn saying that Elmhurst Hospital is overwhelmed and we
38:39
Speaker 1: need to extend the shutdown another thirty days. It just
38:43
Speaker 1: doesn't get any better than him. So you know how
38:47
Speaker 1: much he knows exactly, I don't know. But I do
38:50
Speaker 1: believe he was primed for it, for sure. I think
38:55
Speaker 1: a lot of presidents and world leaders had been probably
38:58
Speaker 1: over the past few decades, prime to this idea that
39:02
Speaker 1: a pandemic was coming, and they may be the president
39:07
Speaker 1: when the pandemic hits, right, And I think they're primed
39:10
Speaker 1: like that for a lot of disasters and a lot
39:12
Speaker 1: of emergencies, right. But you know, Donald Trump loves a war.
39:17
Speaker 1: I think that's I think that's he's he's great for
39:20
Speaker 1: a war from an entertainment stamp stamp and now he's back,
39:25
Speaker 1: and now he's back. So I don't think that's.
39:28
Speaker 2: A mistakeative, by the way, I ask that because there
39:33
Speaker 2: was no pandemic. As you say, so, what the hell
39:36
Speaker 2: was warp speed?
39:39
Speaker 1: Well, I mean warp speed. Warp speed advanced the development
39:44
Speaker 1: of the shot, right, I mean is that so what
39:47
Speaker 1: what are you asking? Why did he do that? Yeah?
39:50
Speaker 2: But he was. He very proudly proclaimed wolf speed and
39:56
Speaker 2: the beautiful vac scene.
39:57
Speaker 1: Yeah, early on and really and I think he started
40:00
Speaker 1: talking about it in January twenty twenty if I'm not mistaken.
40:05
Speaker 1: So again, regardless of what you think about Donald Trump,
40:08
Speaker 1: I think people can at least say, because I have
40:10
Speaker 1: a lot of family who loves Donald Trump, so listen,
40:13
Speaker 1: can you at least say that he had been conditioned
40:17
Speaker 1: to think that he was going to save the world, yes, right,
40:20
Speaker 1: and that this was his war, this was his battle.
40:24
Speaker 1: You see in September twenty nineteen that there's an executive
40:28
Speaker 1: order regarding the influenza vaccine and the need for new
40:33
Speaker 1: platforms for an influenza vaccine. So I think at the
40:38
Speaker 1: very least, he again he was being told that there
40:42
Speaker 1: were some things he was going to need to step
40:44
Speaker 1: up and do. Right, And how convenient that the virus
40:49
Speaker 1: came from China, right, I mean, it doesn't get any
40:51
Speaker 1: better than us versus China.
40:54
Speaker 2: China.
40:55
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's the China virus. And so I mean you
40:58
Speaker 1: and I were chatting before this and you said, oh,
41:00
Speaker 1: you know, now it's the lab leak. And Trump's embracing
41:03
Speaker 1: the lab leak. He always embraced the lab leak. He
41:07
Speaker 1: always did that. And the lableak wet market that was
41:11
Speaker 1: planted from the very beginning. You go back and you
41:15
Speaker 1: look at January twenty twenty, and you know, the lab
41:17
Speaker 1: leak is painted as a conspiracy. It doesn't matter. All
41:20
Speaker 1: press is good press, and these dueling narratives, these two
41:26
Speaker 1: lies were launched at once. Right, you have these two lies.
41:30
Speaker 1: But the real lie is there was nothing spreading. But
41:34
Speaker 1: as long as you don't question whether anything new was
41:37
Speaker 1: spreading at all, right, you're you're fine, You're you're right
41:41
Speaker 1: where you want to be. So we keep seeing this
41:43
Speaker 1: back and forth. That just is ridiculous.
41:46
Speaker 2: To me, But it creates a very interesting dynamic because
41:49
Speaker 2: if he's pushing the lab Leik narrative and there was
41:53
Speaker 2: no lab leak, that means something else is going on,
41:57
Speaker 2: and it's and now it's not about about logical event,
42:00
Speaker 2: that's about a geopolitical event, sure, which.
42:03
Speaker 1: It always was. I mean, I think and I actually
42:05
Speaker 1: think that that's what pandemics have always been. They're creatures
42:09
Speaker 1: of social science, economics, politics, They're not biological realities. Can
42:14
Speaker 1: there be localized epidemics involving certain things, especially with bacteria
42:19
Speaker 1: or things that are in the water or things in
42:22
Speaker 1: the food supply, sure, you know, absolutely, but this idea
42:27
Speaker 1: of a global spread is just ridiculous. And if you
42:31
Speaker 1: think about it, if you go I was saying this
42:32
Speaker 1: to somebody the other day March twenty twenty. What happened
42:35
Speaker 1: in March twenty twenty. They could not have gotten that
42:39
Speaker 1: from a war, From a real war, I don't think
42:42
Speaker 1: that kind of shut down would have happened even if
42:46
Speaker 1: China had launched missiles. I don't think we would have
42:50
Speaker 1: seen it. So they got better than a war in
42:54
Speaker 1: twenty twenty. And I think that's what people need to
42:56
Speaker 1: realize and they need to realize how they created the
42:59
Speaker 1: elusion of a threat. So not just that, I think
43:03
Speaker 1: we need to not just be fighting against the vaccines,
43:06
Speaker 1: vaccine mandated vaccines of any kind, but of testing. Testing
43:10
Speaker 1: is a huge part of the illusion. We saw it
43:13
Speaker 1: in with stars I we saw it with the swine
43:16
Speaker 1: flu hoax. I would call call that another kind of
43:19
Speaker 1: staged staged event. And they can do it again. But
43:23
Speaker 1: even if they don't run the pandemic exercise again during
43:26
Speaker 1: your lifetime or mine, the idea that they can create
43:30
Speaker 1: these appearances of a threat and just tell you that
43:34
Speaker 1: there's a threat without having to substantiate it. I think
43:37
Speaker 1: that's sort of the scary part. I'm not hopeless, though,
43:42
Speaker 1: we can just say no. In some ways, I think
43:45
Speaker 1: we should just laugh at them, like, no, I'm sorry,
43:48
Speaker 1: that is complete BS. You're talking about bird flu. No
43:53
Speaker 1: I'm not. I'm not buying buying that. We just have
43:56
Speaker 1: to reject it outright. That's that's the ant because are
44:00
Speaker 1: elected and appointed officials. I mean, like here, we've got
44:03
Speaker 1: Jay Bodicharia as the NIH director. Now, I mean, do
44:08
Speaker 1: not depend on him, Do not depend on our RFK
44:11
Speaker 1: when you are in the doctor's office and they say, hey,
44:13
Speaker 1: it's time for your flu shot. No, I mean be
44:16
Speaker 1: confrontational about it. That's what it's going to take. We
44:19
Speaker 1: have to starve the beast at the individual level, but
44:22
Speaker 1: we kind of all all have to do it. It's like
44:25
Speaker 1: with the masking, although not enough people did that, right,
44:28
Speaker 1: but you have to say no to the force covering
44:30
Speaker 1: of the human face. That's the effort.
44:34
Speaker 2: Yeah, we were talking about Trump and the beautiful vaccine
44:37
Speaker 2: in twenty twenty, but now that he's second to him,
44:39
Speaker 2: he's pushing it again, you know with stargate, and you've
44:43
Speaker 2: got RFK who's all over the place with vaccines. One
44:47
Speaker 2: moment he's opposed to them, next minute he supports measles
44:51
Speaker 2: vaccines and polio vaccines. What is going on?
44:54
Speaker 1: I have no idea. And you know, I did vote
44:57
Speaker 1: for RFK as president because he was on the ballot
44:59
Speaker 1: in Illinois and I said I wasn't going to vote
45:01
Speaker 1: for anyone who was in elected office in March twenty twenty.
45:05
Speaker 1: So I did vote for him, and I do think
45:08
Speaker 1: he's promising as somebody who would be or could be
45:11
Speaker 1: willing to just blow it all up, as they say. However,
45:15
Speaker 1: he's probably made some concessions to not blow it all up,
45:19
Speaker 1: otherwise he wouldn't have taken the position. So you know,
45:22
Speaker 1: you or I are never going to be in that
45:24
Speaker 1: position because we would just walk into it and be like,
45:26
Speaker 1: you know, no more vaccines, right, And I wouldn't even
45:29
Speaker 1: care if I was fired or assassinated or whatever. But
45:33
Speaker 1: you know, he and he and somebody like Jay Bodicharia
45:36
Speaker 1: aren't aren't going to do it. So I think there's
45:38
Speaker 1: a problem with continuing to look at these leaders as
45:40
Speaker 1: though they are the answer. They're not. In a lot
45:44
Speaker 1: of ways, they're the problem, or they're caught up in
45:46
Speaker 1: the system, and it isn't until we say no and
45:49
Speaker 1: starve the market because money talks, right, So stop stop
45:56
Speaker 1: saying yes. It's like the digital ID stuff or when
45:58
Speaker 1: they want to scan your picture at the airport. I
46:02
Speaker 1: said no every time. No. You may not make sure.
46:05
Speaker 2: But do you think Kennedy's go to gun that he's hid, Well.
46:08
Speaker 1: That's a great, great question. I don't know. I don't know,
46:11
Speaker 1: although I think Kennedy men would kind of be used
46:13
Speaker 1: to that idea or the idea of a fly young
46:16
Speaker 1: police under bizarre circumstances. So he does seem to be
46:20
Speaker 1: very courageous. You know, like if I was sitting down
46:23
Speaker 1: with him, I'd be like, bro, like what are you?
46:25
Speaker 1: You know, what are you doing? Can we talk about
46:27
Speaker 1: like what's what's the endgame here? I mean, but the
46:29
Speaker 1: placebo trials? Right that was announced? Oh, we're all we're
46:32
Speaker 1: gonna do placebo trials sort of thing. No, we need
46:34
Speaker 1: to be talking about criminal trials. Why are you talking
46:37
Speaker 1: about placebo trials when we need criminal criminal trials. So,
46:41
Speaker 1: but I'm not depending on him. If you don't depend
46:44
Speaker 1: on these people, then you got disappointed. It's your it's
46:47
Speaker 1: your fellow human being in your real life that you
46:49
Speaker 1: have to try to, you know, empower and embolden as
46:54
Speaker 1: much as you can in American revolution style. That's where
46:58
Speaker 1: I'm coming from here. In case you can't catch.
47:02
Speaker 2: In the US, has anybody been held accountable for anything
47:06
Speaker 2: to do with the COVID event?
47:08
Speaker 1: Wow? No, And in fact, I want to give a
47:11
Speaker 1: shout out. I don't really know anybody who has done
47:14
Speaker 1: an actual apology for anything that's happened. Except there is
47:18
Speaker 1: a superintendent of schools in Illinois. Now. His name is
47:23
Speaker 1: Escaping me this is terrible, but I've done a subsec
47:25
Speaker 1: on him. But he in twenty twenty two wrote a
47:29
Speaker 1: formal apology to parents and students and said, you know,
47:34
Speaker 1: I'm sorry that we made your kids mask I'm sorry
47:36
Speaker 1: that we quarantined them. I mean, a real apology. I haven't.
47:42
Speaker 1: If there are other examples of that, I'd love for
47:44
Speaker 1: people to send them to me so that I can
47:46
Speaker 1: highlight them, you know, using my teeny little, teeny little platform.
47:50
Speaker 1: But no, and there haven't really been calls for accountability
47:54
Speaker 1: among we the people. It's it's very strange, but I
47:57
Speaker 1: think we're in this space where you know, if you
48:00
Speaker 1: got the COVID shot, you're like, uh, like okay, Like
48:04
Speaker 1: I sort of bought into it. So that's why I'm
48:08
Speaker 1: not into shaming people who got the shot. I did not,
48:12
Speaker 1: but I didn't tell anybody else to get it or not,
48:14
Speaker 1: because I'm very libertarian on that front. I'll tell you
48:17
Speaker 1: not to drink a cheap red wine. I'll tell you
48:19
Speaker 1: not to get your filet mignon cooked well done. That
48:22
Speaker 1: to me is an abordage, but I'm not seriously. I mean,
48:27
Speaker 1: there are priorities, but you know, it's hard for me
48:30
Speaker 1: to tell you to not get a certain medical thing
48:34
Speaker 1: done that that's very difficult to me.
48:37
Speaker 2: But this is a problem, Jessica, that I have noticed, well,
48:40
Speaker 2: not a trend that I've noticed since trump one second term.
48:45
Speaker 2: There's a lot of kicking the can down the road
48:48
Speaker 2: because the support for Trump outweighs actually what was happening.
48:55
Speaker 2: So if Trump, if Trump says it was a lab leak,
48:58
Speaker 2: suddenly it reinforces the idea that there was a pandemic,
49:02
Speaker 2: and now a big part of his support base now
49:05
Speaker 2: believe that there was a pandemic right then.
49:08
Speaker 1: And he has a vested interest, right. I mean, he
49:11
Speaker 1: can't say, wait a minute, there was nothing spreading, because,
49:13
Speaker 1: as you said, he ordered the vaccine. So I don't
49:17
Speaker 1: see how he can ever, I don't see how he
49:20
Speaker 1: can ever go back unless there's some kind of setup
49:22
Speaker 1: where it's like, oh, the data was bad or or
49:25
Speaker 1: something like that. But yeah, I think people are hoping
49:29
Speaker 1: that there's going to be some kind of accountability through
49:32
Speaker 1: Donald Trump. He's culpable. Donald Trump, Andrew Cuomo, former Governor
49:37
Speaker 1: of New York, Anthony Fauci, they are all New Yorkers,
49:39
Speaker 1: by the way, and they are all on the same page.
49:43
Speaker 1: I guarantee that they are all protecting the pandemic narrative.
49:48
Speaker 1: And so really, for me, it's been so freeing. And
49:50
Speaker 1: I know Nick Kutson has said this too. When you
49:53
Speaker 1: realize that there was no sudden spreading virus transmitting, it's
49:58
Speaker 1: like scales fall from your eye and then you can
50:01
Speaker 1: It's also very overwhelming, by the way. It can be
50:05
Speaker 1: very burdensome, but then you see their game, you see
50:08
Speaker 1: that what they're protecting that it doesn't really have to
50:12
Speaker 1: do with the origin of the virus. Stars Kov two
50:16
Speaker 1: could be a thing, by the way, some kind of
50:18
Speaker 1: identifiable thing. That's why I focus on spread. There's something
50:22
Speaker 1: spreading that was causing a new disease, right, But they
50:26
Speaker 1: want to keep our focus on the attributes of Starskov
50:29
Speaker 1: two and the spike, and we know it was man
50:33
Speaker 1: made and all of this. But then when you ask
50:35
Speaker 1: some of these people, well, how did it get from
50:37
Speaker 1: the lab to everywhere else in the world, they can't
50:41
Speaker 1: really explain it. And now there's movement toward well, it
50:43
Speaker 1: was from the US. It's from the US's labs. It's like,
50:46
Speaker 1: oh my gosh, now we've changed the scene, right, We've
50:51
Speaker 1: changed the scene of the crime, but it's the same
50:53
Speaker 1: story being told, and no one can answer, where was
50:57
Speaker 1: this thing in the data? Four emergencies were declared and
51:02
Speaker 1: the deployment of mass testing took place, and nobody wants
51:06
Speaker 1: to answer that. RFK is not going to answer that.
51:09
Speaker 1: I'll tell you that much.
51:10
Speaker 2: Well, no, because he also thinks that came from a lab.
51:13
Speaker 1: Yeah, well he's been saying the wuhan, where's the book?
51:16
Speaker 1: I mean like this, Sorry, this had a lot of contributors,
51:20
Speaker 1: by the way, Okay, I mean RFK didn't write this book, right,
51:24
Speaker 1: I mean I think we knew, we knew what RFK,
51:29
Speaker 1: what the RFK story was going to be when this
51:33
Speaker 1: came out, right, So I don't think people should be surprised.
51:39
Speaker 1: It's tough when you write a book, and you write
51:41
Speaker 1: a book and you don't sort of leave room for
51:43
Speaker 1: error or uncertainty when you do this. It's a little
51:47
Speaker 1: hard to get away from, isn't it. Right. So it's
51:52
Speaker 1: just I almost feel like I have to apologize to
51:55
Speaker 1: the rest of the world. But it's not only a
51:57
Speaker 1: US operation. I think Germany is very culpable and a
52:00
Speaker 1: lot of things.
52:02
Speaker 2: Actually, actually it was absolutely worldwide because in twenty twenty, firstly,
52:09
Speaker 2: it wasn't a coincidence. Our country went into lockdown in
52:13
Speaker 2: the same week as the UK, which obviously was not
52:17
Speaker 2: a coincidence. And on top of that, the language changed.
52:22
Speaker 2: Had you ever heard the term social distancing before twenty twenty, Well, no.
52:27
Speaker 1: Social distancing, and I would even say lockdown. I oppose.
52:30
Speaker 1: I'm very opposed to the word lockdown now I didn't
52:33
Speaker 1: used to be. But we have all these terms that
52:35
Speaker 1: were used that are not in the law. They're at
52:38
Speaker 1: least in the US. You know, we have laws around
52:41
Speaker 1: the control of communicable diseases, but words like lockdown and
52:46
Speaker 1: social distancing are not in there. It's more isolation, quarantine.
52:51
Speaker 1: Those things actually require official orders. They're subject to do process.
52:55
Speaker 1: So we had this language of totalitarianism really coming in
53:00
Speaker 1: in right in January twenty twenty with the lockdown idea, like, oh,
53:05
Speaker 1: China's locking down? Are they they're locking down? You know,
53:09
Speaker 1: we might have to close our borders. People have to
53:11
Speaker 1: stay home, right, So they were keeping us apart. Because
53:15
Speaker 1: if going back to the American Revolution for a second,
53:17
Speaker 1: that that revolution, so they say it was planned and
53:20
Speaker 1: you know by the colonists in taverns, right, people meeting
53:23
Speaker 1: in taverns and talking about it. They can't have you know,
53:27
Speaker 1: for example, you know your wife and me, if we
53:30
Speaker 1: both lived in the same community. They can't have us
53:32
Speaker 1: at the playground while our kids are playing talking about
53:35
Speaker 1: what the government is doing. We cannot be sharing a
53:39
Speaker 1: pint at the local bar. You know, what do you
53:43
Speaker 1: think about this? What do you think about this? So
53:45
Speaker 1: they had to keep us apart because they had to
53:48
Speaker 1: keep us from talking to one another. And so then
53:51
Speaker 1: you saw everybody goes to social media. Well, they can
53:54
Speaker 1: monitor that, and they had been for a long time.
53:57
Speaker 1: They can use that. They can put by armies out
54:00
Speaker 1: there that say, my cousin died of COVID and you
54:04
Speaker 1: know they died at home. Stay home, be careful. Do
54:07
Speaker 1: you see how this operation worked. It's it's scary, But
54:11
Speaker 1: I think if we see their game and we're just
54:13
Speaker 1: able to call the bluff on it, that's how we
54:15
Speaker 1: disempower it.
54:17
Speaker 2: I will, however, add a caveat because somebody listening to
54:20
Speaker 2: this will invariably point this out. The term social distancing
54:25
Speaker 2: was used before twenty twenty. I don't know if you
54:29
Speaker 2: saw a movie called Contagion. I had never heard of
54:31
Speaker 2: that movie until twenty twenty, but it came out in
54:34
Speaker 2: twenty twelve, I think, and it had big name actors
54:36
Speaker 2: in it, and you know, it was on Netflix. So
54:39
Speaker 2: we watched it and the hair in my arms stood
54:41
Speaker 2: up because they used the term social distancing. There was
54:45
Speaker 2: a coronavirus outbreak and it was the same thing. It
54:49
Speaker 2: was almost the same thing as what happened in twenty twenty.
54:52
Speaker 2: And somehow I'd never seen or heard of this movie
54:57
Speaker 2: and the term, but there it is.
55:00
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's it's interesting to go back and watch what's
55:04
Speaker 1: the other movie like that? Have you ever seen The
55:06
Speaker 1: Arrival the Alien one? Like, you know, I watched that
55:12
Speaker 1: not too long ago again and I'm like, oh, look,
55:14
Speaker 1: she's in before she encounters the aliens. They're having her
55:17
Speaker 1: take a vaccine or is it the high hiding place?
55:22
Speaker 1: What's the what's the other one of the aliens coming?
55:23
Speaker 1: They have to be quiet. I can't remember the name
55:26
Speaker 1: of that one now, but like you go back and
55:28
Speaker 1: you look, and there, there it is on a screen.
55:31
Speaker 1: There's a newspaper headline that says, like New York City.
55:33
Speaker 2: On lockdown, true woods.
55:37
Speaker 1: No, not what the worlds. I can't think of what
55:39
Speaker 1: it's called right now, but yeah, so there's all these
55:42
Speaker 1: little elements that you see, and I guess this gets
55:45
Speaker 1: in the predictive programming idea. And I'm not sure it's
55:47
Speaker 1: all as programmed as as some people think, but I
55:51
Speaker 1: do think that certain ideas are planted into our heads
55:55
Speaker 1: via Hollywood and and Hollywood and the government may believe
55:59
Speaker 1: these things themsel else, right, and so they they prime
56:02
Speaker 1: us for the impossible by showing it to us on screens.
56:07
Speaker 1: And New York's a great example, because there's no more
56:10
Speaker 1: New York's in every disaster film about like whether it's
56:13
Speaker 1: attacked by King Kong or a title wave or an asteroid.
56:18
Speaker 1: You're prepared for this idea that New York is going
56:21
Speaker 1: to be under attack, right. So I don't think we
56:24
Speaker 1: realize how much these things do influence.
56:28
Speaker 2: I forgot to ask you earlier, Jessica, when we were
56:31
Speaker 2: talking about New York. I had a back and forth
56:32
Speaker 2: email conversation some time ago about New York and the
56:38
Speaker 2: recipient agreed with me and said, no, there was no
56:41
Speaker 2: mass death, but there was mass sickness and there was
56:45
Speaker 2: a spike. Do you agree with that a spike and
56:50
Speaker 2: whatnessspy respiratory.
56:58
Speaker 1: In the hospital data. There is some interesting patterns with
57:05
Speaker 1: the way that data are i would say, recategorized and presented.
57:12
Speaker 1: What you don't see in the New York data or
57:14
Speaker 1: really any data around the world with emergency rooms is
57:17
Speaker 1: you don't see people any indication that people were rushing
57:22
Speaker 1: to the emergency room because they were sick. That's true
57:25
Speaker 1: when we've interviewed people as well. There was some footage
57:29
Speaker 1: taken in mid March twenty twenty of lines outside Elmhurst
57:33
Speaker 1: Hospital revisiting that it looks like a lot of people
57:38
Speaker 1: were there to do required testing for work or they
57:41
Speaker 1: had been sort of coached to line up for it,
57:44
Speaker 1: and then it was done, and then you see emergency
57:46
Speaker 1: department visits plummet and stay below baseline for the rest
57:51
Speaker 1: of the year. I think there was some recategorization of
57:55
Speaker 1: data to telehealth. I think that's in the mix. But
58:00
Speaker 1: you know, Jonathan Angler and Martin Neil and I recently
58:03
Speaker 1: wrote about you know, this idea or this contention by
58:07
Speaker 1: Sasha Latapove on some other people about well there was
58:09
Speaker 1: a poisoning, Well there was a poisoning in New York.
58:13
Speaker 1: We don't necessarily see evidence of that. We see the
58:17
Speaker 1: cardiac arrest event. Now somebody can tell me that there's
58:20
Speaker 1: a poisoning that happened in a certain way and it
58:22
Speaker 1: triggered cardiac arrest, that looks like a curve, then we
58:26
Speaker 1: can talk about it. But by and large, and not
58:29
Speaker 1: not just with poisoning, but five G. Right, that's another
58:31
Speaker 1: thing people put out there. Five There was five G
58:34
Speaker 1: turned on in different places around the world. And I've
58:38
Speaker 1: looked at some of the contentions around that, and the
58:41
Speaker 1: problem repeatedly is just marrying the data with reports of
58:46
Speaker 1: what was actually going on on the ground in real time.
58:51
Speaker 1: But you know, the good news bad news is that
58:53
Speaker 1: if there's data fraud, all things are possible, all so
58:58
Speaker 1: everybody should be on team fraud, you know, regardless of
59:00
Speaker 1: whether of what they believe actually occurred. But I mean,
59:04
Speaker 1: bring me your poisoning theories, you know, Bringham. Let's let's
59:08
Speaker 1: look at the data, let's see how this played out.
59:12
Speaker 1: But I just don't have New Yorkers tell me that
59:14
Speaker 1: they knew somebody who became suddenly sick, or that they
59:17
Speaker 1: became suddenly sick.
59:19
Speaker 2: So if the who didn't denounce anything, and nothing happened.
59:22
Speaker 2: Nobody would have noticed anything.
59:25
Speaker 1: Sure, And a point I want to make about the WHO.
59:27
Speaker 1: I got this from somebody at church the other day, like,
59:30
Speaker 1: so are you saying that all these countries decided to
59:33
Speaker 1: do the same things at the same time. Like, yes,
59:37
Speaker 1: that is what I'm telling you. And what you need
59:39
Speaker 1: to know is that a lot of things related to
59:42
Speaker 1: disease surveillance and oh there's a new cause of death
59:46
Speaker 1: are already coordinated through the WHO, and they have been
59:49
Speaker 1: for a long time. So when the WHO says, hey, everyone,
59:53
Speaker 1: there's a pandemic, the countries that belong to it are like, Okay,
59:57
Speaker 1: I guess there's a pandemic. Or hey, every one, here's
1:00:00
Speaker 1: a test that you can use, or the protocol for
1:00:04
Speaker 1: the test for this new new thing, or hey everyone,
1:00:07
Speaker 1: there's a new disease and here's how to code for it.
1:00:12
Speaker 1: Everybody says yes, right, so they left. So nothing new,
1:00:17
Speaker 1: I would say, was used. It was the leveraging of
1:00:21
Speaker 1: existing systems that allowed for a coordinated response, and that
1:00:26
Speaker 1: was the clarion call in January twenty twenty. If you
1:00:29
Speaker 1: go back and you look at leaders from the US
1:00:31
Speaker 1: or New Zealand or different countries. The call was for
1:00:33
Speaker 1: a coordinated response. So are you saying they coordinated. Yes,
1:00:38
Speaker 1: I'm saying they coordinated. We know they told us and
1:00:42
Speaker 1: they're already coordinated on these things. So I tend to
1:00:45
Speaker 1: be real basic and front facing about these things rather
1:00:49
Speaker 1: than trying to find a group of individuals in a
1:00:51
Speaker 1: back room. Are there many backrooms, you know where the
1:00:55
Speaker 1: sausage gets made, as we say in Chicago, Yes there are,
1:00:58
Speaker 1: But I'm not as concerned with as I am the
1:01:00
Speaker 1: front facing what we saw.
1:01:02
Speaker 2: One of my favorites is when people say, yes, but
1:01:05
Speaker 2: I lost my sense of taste for six months, Well,
1:01:07
Speaker 2: that has to be the world's worst bioweapon.
1:01:11
Speaker 1: It's right, right, it's a dud. A but b A
1:01:15
Speaker 1: lot of the reports. I don't know that people remember this,
1:01:18
Speaker 1: but a lot of the reports about losing taste and
1:01:21
Speaker 1: smell were really more of a twenty twenty one thing
1:01:24
Speaker 1: than they were a twenty twenty thing. I think people
1:01:28
Speaker 1: have a short memory when it comes to losing taste
1:01:31
Speaker 1: and smell, or thinking that things smelled or tasted funny
1:01:35
Speaker 1: after getting sick in their previous lives. I mean, I
1:01:38
Speaker 1: can remember that when I was a kid. It's like
1:01:39
Speaker 1: you get sick and then things taste and smell funny
1:01:42
Speaker 1: for a while. I think people forget. I think in
1:01:45
Speaker 1: nicebo effect played a role, or people aggrandize their symptoms, right,
1:01:51
Speaker 1: I think that happens. I don't know if you know
1:01:54
Speaker 1: Leo Biddle, but Leo Biddle from Borne or his work,
1:01:58
Speaker 1: he works a lot, or has in the past with primates.
1:02:01
Speaker 1: But he put out a really good explanation through experiments
1:02:05
Speaker 1: that he did around the nasal swabs themselves. Is that
1:02:10
Speaker 1: you know the nasal swabs and looking at some of
1:02:13
Speaker 1: these these batches and I can see how there's like
1:02:17
Speaker 1: little shards of things on them. I'm not going to
1:02:19
Speaker 1: get this right, sorry, Leo, But the nasal swabs themselves
1:02:22
Speaker 1: could have caused this loss of taste and smell. And
1:02:26
Speaker 1: I have to say I love that explanation for myself
1:02:29
Speaker 1: because September twenty twenty one, my son and I were
1:02:32
Speaker 1: both compelled to test we weren't sick. I got something
1:02:38
Speaker 1: of a cold and headache a couple of days after
1:02:42
Speaker 1: I tested, lost taste and smell. A couple of weeks later.
1:02:46
Speaker 1: He never had any symptoms of any kind, but a
1:02:49
Speaker 1: few weeks later, it's like I lost my you know,
1:02:51
Speaker 1: my sense of smell and taste, and so I think
1:02:55
Speaker 1: the swabs themselves could have been a culprit. Isn't that genius?
1:03:01
Speaker 1: That's pretty genius, isn't it. I mean, from a planning perspective,
1:03:05
Speaker 1: if you're on the same train as me with that one.
1:03:07
Speaker 2: So looking back at the lost five years, Jessica, what
1:03:11
Speaker 2: is the moral of the story?
1:03:17
Speaker 1: That's that's a good question. The moral of the story,
1:03:24
Speaker 1: I think, on one level, is to demand proof. When
1:03:29
Speaker 1: the government says that there's a threat, you have to
1:03:33
Speaker 1: make them substantiated because they're going to keep doing this,
1:03:37
Speaker 1: and they have done it in the past. They're going
1:03:39
Speaker 1: and there are real threats in the world. I'm not
1:03:41
Speaker 1: saying that there's not, But when they tell you that
1:03:44
Speaker 1: something is happening, you have to say, prove it. And
1:03:50
Speaker 1: you can't let them declare an emergency without their actually
1:03:54
Speaker 1: being one, whether it's a climate emergency, right that's the
1:04:00
Speaker 1: next thing, or any other kind of emergency. We have
1:04:03
Speaker 1: to demand the proof, and we can't let data on
1:04:06
Speaker 1: a screen, or really anything on a screen substitute for
1:04:11
Speaker 1: actual evidence. And what we're seeing in our lives or
1:04:17
Speaker 1: in our day to day experience, and I think I
1:04:20
Speaker 1: think we're culpable and we're living in a Truman show
1:04:23
Speaker 1: still where we are. We are Truman and we're also
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Speaker 1: the audience, but we're also part of the stage management crew. Right,
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Speaker 1: we're creating this beast? Where did Donald Trump come from?
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Speaker 1: And I'm not exactly Donald Trump anti Donald Trump, So
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Speaker 1: don't take this the wrong way. Donald Trump is us.
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Speaker 1: Donald Trump is us, So we only have ourselves to
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Speaker 1: blame that we have this hyper reality TV show president.
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Speaker 1: And I could say that for a lot of other
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Speaker 1: worldly erses as well, but it's a representation of us.
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Speaker 1: So the lesson learned is to look, you know, in
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Speaker 1: inward right how we're We're culpable and we've we're feeding
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Speaker 1: the beast.
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Speaker 2: Jessica, how can I follow your work?
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Speaker 1: I am on substep at Woodhouse seventy six dot com.
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Speaker 1: I have two Twitter accounts. I have a love hate
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Speaker 1: relationship with Twitter, but the main one I really tweet
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Speaker 1: from again now is at Woodhouse. It's wood Underscore House
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Speaker 1: seventy six. That's the that's the main one.
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Speaker 2: We don't say Twitter around these parts, Jessica, I'm right.
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Speaker 1: I can't. I can't. I can't. It's still Twitter is friendly.
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Speaker 1: X is like X.
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Speaker 2: I can't do it, So I guess to end the conversation, Jessica, sorry,
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Speaker 2: did man go to the movie?
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Speaker 1: Well? Women, women have not and you have to ask yourselves.
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Speaker 1: Is the reason that they didn't send a woman is
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Speaker 1: because the woman would call bs? I'm the whole operation.
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Speaker 1: Here's the other take away. If it aggrandizes man's ability
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Speaker 1: over God's, it's probably a scam as powerful or more
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Speaker 1: powerful than God. It's not. Nope.
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Speaker 2: On that note, Jessica awkad, thank you for joining me
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Speaker 2: in the trenches.
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Speaker 1: You're welcome. Thanks so much for having me