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The Kenny Report | 29 January · The Kenny Report

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  Speaker 1: Live from the sky New Center.
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  Speaker 2: This is the Kenny Report.
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  Speaker 3: Thanks for joining me on the Kenny Report, and we
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  Speaker 3: begin the program tonight with some breaking news. Police have
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  Speaker 3: discovered a caravan full of explosives and a note listing
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  Speaker 3: Jewish targets. New South Wales Premier Chris Mins is addressing
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  Speaker 3: a live press conference in the coming hour. We'll cross
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  Speaker 3: live to that when it happens. Plus the cost of
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  Speaker 3: living and inflation and interest rates.
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  Speaker 4: Labor claims it's all going to plan that.
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  Speaker 3: Will a rate cup come and is the Reserve Bank
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  Speaker 3: governor being put under pressure whatever happens, our standard of
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  Speaker 3: living has been going backwards for almost two years. I'll
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  Speaker 3: be joined by the Nationals leader David Little Proud and
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  Speaker 3: economist Gigi Foster. A Palestinian expert explains why support for
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  Speaker 3: his people should never include support for Hummas.
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  Speaker 5: But it is indisputable that Hamaz viewed spilled Palestinian blood
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  Speaker 5: as necessary to show us as victims, to show the
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  Speaker 5: bloodied Palestinian bodies and force the international community to react
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  Speaker 5: against Israel.
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  Speaker 4: That interview to come.
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  Speaker 3: Also the extraordinary indulgence and waste of local councils and
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  Speaker 3: the ratepayers in revolt as a result. All that and
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  Speaker 3: lots more, plus the Wednesday rangle on Trump's new media person,
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  Speaker 3: and plenty more. I said last night that there are
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  Speaker 3: three topics that will dominate the federal election, and they
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  Speaker 3: are the cost of living and two policy areas that
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  Speaker 3: directly feed into it. They are the electricity supply and
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  Speaker 3: affordability crisis, and plans to deal with our record out
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  Speaker 3: of control immigration intake. The numbers on cost of living
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  Speaker 3: and our standard of living tell a woeful story. We've
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  Speaker 3: been in a per capita recession for almost two years
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  Speaker 3: under labor. In other words, for most of Labour's time
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  Speaker 3: in office, we've been getting poorer as individuals and families,
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  Speaker 3: and a Deloitte Access Economics report out today says it
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  Speaker 3: will be another five years before we claw our way
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  Speaker 3: back to the living standards we enjoyed before the pandemic.
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  Speaker 4: Little wonder, isn't it.
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  Speaker 3: The cost of living is the political talking point here,
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  Speaker 3: much like it was in last year's American presidential election.
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  Speaker 6: We've seen a reduction in living standards here that is unprecedented.
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  Speaker 6: It's been a faster and a deeper collapse in living
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  Speaker 6: standards than we have ever seen around seven point eight percent.
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  Speaker 6: So if people out there are feeling poorer, it's not
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  Speaker 6: all in your heads. You in fact are poorer. You're
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  Speaker 6: poorer than you were three years ago.
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  Speaker 3: Still, there was promising news for the labor government today
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  Speaker 3: and perhaps for taxpayers, with inflation down. Treasurer Jim Chalmers
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  Speaker 3: smart as ever said he wasn't claiming mission accomplished while
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  Speaker 3: he was effectively claiming mission accomplished.
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  Speaker 7: Inflation is down, wages are up, unemployment is low, and
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  Speaker 7: one point one million jobs have been created during the
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  Speaker 7: course of this Albanezi labor government. Now, the soft landing
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  Speaker 7: that we have been planning for and preparing for is
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  Speaker 7: now looking more and more likely.
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  Speaker 4: Now.
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  Speaker 3: The trouble for Charmers and labor is that while it
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  Speaker 3: seems like sweetness and light to them, Australian families and
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  Speaker 3: small businesses are still hurting. And while Labour's extra spending,
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  Speaker 3: for instance, using more of your money to temporarily subsidize
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  Speaker 3: downward pressure on power prices.
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  Speaker 4: While that has helped.
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  Speaker 3: Push the headline inflation rate down from two point eight
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  Speaker 3: to two point four percent, the underlying rate or trimmed mian,
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  Speaker 3: remains above the three percent target At three point two percent,
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  Speaker 3: So the Reserve Bank should not be fooled by Labour's trickery.
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  Speaker 4: It knows there's a bump to come.
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  Speaker 3: Yet it's clear the Alberenezy government is trying to pressure
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  Speaker 3: the RBA to cut rates next month, that is before
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  Speaker 3: the election.
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  Speaker 7: We take no outcome for granted when it comes to
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  Speaker 7: interest rates. And again it's not for me to give
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  Speaker 7: free advice to the independent Reserve Bank. I respect their independence.
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  Speaker 7: They will weigh up these numbers and other numbers that
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  Speaker 7: we've seen in the economy since they last met. They'll
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  Speaker 7: come to a decision and communicate that decision in February.
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  Speaker 7: And I'm not going to get in the way of that.
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  Speaker 7: I'm not going to predict it or preempt it or
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  Speaker 7: give them free advice.
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  Speaker 4: Not much.
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  Speaker 3: His whole press conference could be construed as advice to
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  Speaker 3: cut rates and cut them in February.
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  Speaker 4: In the hot seat is the RBA Governor Michelle Bullock.
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  Speaker 4: A rate cut on the cusp an.
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  Speaker 3: Election campaign will be seen as a boost for Labor
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  Speaker 3: and help them rush to the polls on.
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  Speaker 4: April the twelfth. The data tipped few last year.
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  Speaker 3: But remember the RBA controversially increased interest rates on the
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  Speaker 3: Howard government in the two thousand and seven election campaign,
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  Speaker 3: clearly a mistake because it was cutting savagely within a year,
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  Speaker 3: and it increased rates again just before the last election,
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  Speaker 3: again a political blow to the coalition. Would they really
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  Speaker 3: cut next month giving labor a boost when the key
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  Speaker 3: figure remains above the target range? Clearly the markets and
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  Speaker 3: the major banks think this is on the cards. The
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  Speaker 3: Coalition is trying to avoid that debate and talk about
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  Speaker 3: broader cost of living issues.
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  Speaker 8: The cost of living pressures are affecting all Australians. The
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  Speaker 8: cost of doing business pressures which we just heard about
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  Speaker 8: are affecting all businesses across Australia, and that suffering continues.
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  Speaker 8: Now we see the inflation data out today and we
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  Speaker 8: see that core inflation is stubbornly above target.
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  Speaker 3: Look, home owners need a rate cut, but the worst
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  Speaker 3: thing in the world is a rate cut too soon
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  Speaker 3: only to see inflation.
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  Speaker 4: Take off again. I think if you look at what.
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  Speaker 3: Michelle Bulloch has said over the past year, she'd be
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  Speaker 3: making a mockery of her own logic. If she cut
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  Speaker 3: rates now, it looked like she caved into political or
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  Speaker 3: market pressure. So whatever way it goes. The real story
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  Speaker 3: is the cost of living. Labor promised to make things
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  Speaker 3: better for all of us.
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  Speaker 9: We will put in place mechanisms that provide cost of
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  Speaker 9: living relief.
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  Speaker 7: Under Labor, you'll have a government which cares about cost
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  Speaker 7: of living and has plans to deal with.
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  Speaker 9: It, build people's living standards up a better future with
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  Speaker 9: real plans to addresses the cost of living.
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  Speaker 7: And to ease the pressure that too many Australians are feeling.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, another massive broken promise, and no matter what happens
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  Speaker 3: with rates next month, we will all be worse off
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  Speaker 3: at the next election than we were at the last,
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  Speaker 3: and dramatically worse off than Labor promised. And that's the
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  Speaker 3: most important indicator that no one can before polling day.
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  Speaker 4: I'll have plenty more on this tonight.
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  Speaker 3: The anti Semitism we've seen in this country and we're
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  Speaker 3: still experiencing, has been repugnant and frightening. We started with
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  Speaker 3: hateful chance and flag burning protests has escalated into threatening
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  Speaker 3: protest into Jewish areas of Melbourne and Sydney, abusive and
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  Speaker 3: racist graffiti, cars being torched, a synagogue being firebombed in Melbourne,
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  Speaker 3: and incredibly, a childcare Center set alight in Sydney. I
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  Speaker 3: hope you saw Sharry Markson's special report on policing antisemitism
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  Speaker 3: last night.
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  Speaker 4: If you missed it, check it out online. I was particularly.
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  Speaker 3: Taken by Sharry's interview with the police officer now in
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  Speaker 3: charge of the New South Wales Counter Terrorism and Special Tactics,
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  Speaker 3: Assistant Commissioner Mark Walton, faces a rising tide of antisemitism
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  Speaker 3: since the pathetic police response to this sort of thing
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  Speaker 3: in October twenty twenty three.
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  Speaker 1: That's a day of courage.
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  Speaker 3: We'll remember that repugnant stuff. Here's what I said about
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  Speaker 3: it at the time. They surrendered the streets to the
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  Speaker 3: extremists and the only people they arrested and dragged away
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  Speaker 3: were those supporters of Israel. That's what weakness looks like. Well,
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  Speaker 3: have a listen to this exchange on Shari last night.
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  Speaker 10: Was it a mistake by New South Wales police to
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  Speaker 10: let the Palestinian activists freely march on the Opera House
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  Speaker 10: and chant anti Semitic slogans, sprout hatred against Jews and
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  Speaker 10: burn Israeli flags on a night that was meant to
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  Speaker 10: reflect solidarity with the one two hundred Israelis.
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  Speaker 11: Who'd been killed.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, look, it's really regrettable and I understand why the
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  Speaker 2: community remain very upset about that occurring. But at short notice,
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  Speaker 2: when large groups of people occur, sometimes compromises occur in
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  Speaker 2: the interest of public safety.
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  Speaker 4: This was no compromise. This was handing victory to.
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  Speaker 3: A threatening mob. The protests started at Sydney's town Hall.
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  Speaker 3: Police could have stopped them there, but instead they escorted
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  Speaker 3: them down to the Opera House, where the nation was
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  Speaker 3: supposed to mourn twelve hundred slaughtered Israelis and support the
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  Speaker 3: two hundred and fifty taken hostage. The police demanded that
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  Speaker 3: Jewish Australians stay away from their own commemoration. They dragged
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  Speaker 3: a couple of brave souls away, and they allowed the
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  Speaker 3: hateful mob to burn flags and chant anti Semitic bile.
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  Speaker 4: Yet, even now.
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  Speaker 2: We at this absolutely with the benefit of hindsight, do
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  Speaker 2: we want that image of that protest happening on the
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  Speaker 2: Opera House? Clearly not. But I'm not a Monday night
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  Speaker 2: quarterback second guessing all the pressures that the police were
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  Speaker 2: under at short notice to respond what was clearly a
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  Speaker 2: very volatile event there with that gathering.
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  Speaker 4: It wasn't an image.
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  Speaker 3: It was a real action and real threats, and you
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  Speaker 3: didn't need hindsight, and it wasn't short notice. As I said,
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  Speaker 3: the protest was authorized for town Hall, not the Opera House,
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  Speaker 3: and the previous night we'd seen this. It's a day
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  Speaker 3: of courage, so police knew what to expect. Yet they
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  Speaker 3: stood and watched and we why it's gotten worse, progressively
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  Speaker 3: worse month by month ever since.
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  Speaker 2: I don't agree that we've tolerated it, but by not
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  Speaker 2: taking action, that is tolerating and taking action where we're
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  Speaker 2: able to is what we will do.
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  Speaker 10: Hate speech has been tolerated on the streets of Sydney.
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  Speaker 10: People who sprout hatred towards Jews haven't been arrested. The
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  Speaker 10: hate preachers haven't been arrested.
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  Speaker 2: You talk about words matter and semantics. As a journalist,
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  Speaker 2: you are well aware of one word can be interpreted
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  Speaker 2: in many ways depending on the context. And whilst I
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  Speaker 2: find the things that you're talking about as offensive, they
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  Speaker 2: need to meet illegals, prayers.
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  Speaker 10: The Jews f for the Jews. That is hate speech,
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  Speaker 10: that is racism that can't be interpreted in any other way.
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  Speaker 2: I'm not arguing that it's hate speech, but doesn't meet
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  Speaker 2: a criminal threshold for the police to prosecute. That's the question.
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  Speaker 3: It all right, we've railed against the weakness for more
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  Speaker 3: than four hundred and seventy five days.
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  Speaker 4: Now.
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  Speaker 3: The police must lay charges against people celebrating slaughter or
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  Speaker 3: chanting f the Jews or where's the Jews or gas
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  Speaker 3: the Jews? That is hate speech that is anti Semitic,
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  Speaker 3: and let the court cases hear the evidence and let
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  Speaker 3: a judge or a magistrate decide, and then we'll know
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  Speaker 3: where we stand and whether or not the politicians need
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  Speaker 3: to change the laws. The weakness we've seen is permissive.
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  Speaker 3: We've greenlighted this behavior, which is why it's gotten worse.
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  Speaker 3: The labor and Green's politicians have been recklessly irresponsible on
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  Speaker 3: this stuff.
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  Speaker 4: But the police need to do better.
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  Speaker 3: Put the culprits before the courts get them off the streets.
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  Speaker 3: We are a tolerance society, sure, and that means we
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  Speaker 3: must not tolerate hateful intolerance.
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  Speaker 4: Just on that missed it. At the top of.
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  Speaker 3: The program, the breaking news that the Daily Telegraph is
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  Speaker 3: reporting a caravan laden with explosives and a note with
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  Speaker 3: addresses of Jewish targets, including a synagogue, was found on
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  Speaker 3: a property north of Sydney on January the nineteenth.
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  Speaker 4: Source sources have told the.
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  Speaker 3: Paper a note reading f the Jews was also found
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  Speaker 3: inside New South Wales. Police are treating it as a
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  Speaker 3: credible terror threat and the New South Wales Premier, Chris
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  Speaker 3: Mins is going to address a media conference.
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  Speaker 4: Later this hour. I'll take you live to it now.
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  Speaker 4: I am sorry.
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  Speaker 3: I am truly sorry that I had to expose you
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  Speaker 3: to social media posts from Chris Bowen last night. Some
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  Speaker 3: of you told me you threw items at what were
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  Speaker 3: perfectly fine televisions up till that moment. So in the
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  Speaker 3: interests of saving your electrical goods, let me warn you,
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  Speaker 3: I'm about to show you more.
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  Speaker 4: Bowen has been back at it.
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  Speaker 12: So when the coalition an now said nuclear scheme, they
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  Speaker 12: promised two and a half years of consultation with each
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  Speaker 12: and every community where they're going to build a nuclearact.
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  Speaker 13: At two and a half year consultation process with those communities.
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  Speaker 4: Now today, completely different story.
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  Speaker 13: We'll start building the first nuclear power plant the very
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  Speaker 13: first day after a colism government selected.
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  Speaker 12: Construction from day one, even though they haven't done the
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  Speaker 12: consultation on earthquakes, even though they're promised more consultation, just
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  Speaker 12: reminds us they haven't thought it through, they don't know
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  Speaker 12: the details.
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  Speaker 4: It's a risky plan for Australia. Nuclear.
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  Speaker 3: The word is nuclear and earthquakes seriously risky, as opposed
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  Speaker 3: to the blackouts and price hikes from unreliable renewables.
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  Speaker 4: No risks there, good one, Chris, But there's more. We
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  Speaker 4: believe that wherever possible, government should not compete with an
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  Speaker 4: efficient private sector.
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  Speaker 12: Well, Peter, if that's the case, why are you creating
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  Speaker 12: new government bodies to run nuclear and spending hundreds of
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  Speaker 12: billions of dollars off taxpayers mo on nuclear to replace
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  Speaker 12: private sector investment in renewable energy?
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  Speaker 4: Nuclear? Chris, the word is nuclear and labor.
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  Speaker 3: Pretending it cares about keeping government spending under control is
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  Speaker 3: very novel. How much have they spent on the renewables
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  Speaker 3: experiment so far? Five billion dollars, twenty billion dollars, one
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  Speaker 3: hundred billion dollars give us the number.
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  Speaker 14: Well, in the Oubanizing government, we believe in choice, in
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  Speaker 14: giving Australians more choices so that they are in charge
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  Speaker 14: of their own any hue resources and they can choose
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  Speaker 14: how to reduce their bills and emissions.
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  Speaker 4: This is my favorite.
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  Speaker 3: Labor is all about giving Australians a choice when it
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  Speaker 3: comes to energy.
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  Speaker 4: Ah, except if.
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  Speaker 3: You don't want a wind farm or a transmission line
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  Speaker 3: in your neighborhood, you have no choice then, or an
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  Speaker 3: offshore wind farm.
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  Speaker 4: Or a solar factory next door. No choice for you then,
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  Speaker 4: But okay.
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  Speaker 3: Otherwise, Labor is into energy choices for Australians, right Oh,
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  Speaker 3: except if you want a gas cooker at home or
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  Speaker 3: a gas fireplace.
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  Speaker 4: No, they want to ban that. Well, unless you want
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  Speaker 4: to drive a diesel or petrol car.
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  Speaker 3: They'll use taxes and charges to force you out of
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  Speaker 3: that into an electric vehicle. But apart from that, all right,
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  Speaker 3: apart from your cars and your household appliances and the
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  Speaker 3: reckless renewables, Labor is into energy choices for Australians right Well,
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  Speaker 3: of course, not if your favor cheap, reliable, plentiful coal
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  Speaker 3: fired electricity. That's the choice they're working to eliminate. You
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  Speaker 3: can choose any form of energy except coal fired power.
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  Speaker 4: Oh or gas.
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  Speaker 3: They're also against domestic gas, so please don't rely on that.
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  Speaker 3: It might be reliable and efficient and cleaner than coal,
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  Speaker 3: but it's not clean enough apparently, so forget that choice.
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  Speaker 3: So apart from all of that, Labor is into choices
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  Speaker 3: when it comes to energy, right, But no, they're against
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  Speaker 3: nuclear energy too, of course, they want to maintain a
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  Speaker 3: ban on nuclear despite the rest of the world seizing
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  Speaker 3: onto it as the clean, reliable solution. So Labor is
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  Speaker 3: into choices in energy.
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  Speaker 4: Hmm.
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  Speaker 3: You can have unreliable and expensive power, or you can
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  Speaker 3: have no power at all.
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  Speaker 4: Some choice.
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  Speaker 3: You can choose to accept their expensive, unreliable and impossible
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  Speaker 3: renewables only experiment, or you can be a knuckle dragon
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  Speaker 3: climate denier. I guess we do have one choice. We
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  Speaker 3: could choose to vote Labor, Greens or teal, and that
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  Speaker 3: way we'd keep Chris Bowen in charge of energy policy.
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  Speaker 4: That's your real choice.
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  Speaker 3: Let's go to Bendigo and catch up with the National's leader,
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  Speaker 3: David Little Proud David.
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  Speaker 4: Thanks for joining us.
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  Speaker 3: Do you think Labor is putting public pressure on the
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  Speaker 3: Reserve Bank to lower interest rates next month?
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  Speaker 11: Yeah?
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  Speaker 13: Well, look, they're desperate for a rake cup that they
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  Speaker 13: see is their only hope of pathway to victory. But
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  Speaker 13: the reality is that Australians interest rates have stayed longer, higher,
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  Speaker 13: for longer because of the ideology that they bring in
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  Speaker 13: to their economic policy, their energy policy. The reality is
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  Speaker 13: is that our discretionary spending stopped a long time ago,
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  Speaker 13: but our fixed spending didn't, and that was because our
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  Speaker 13: energy bills kept going up and we had to keep
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  Speaker 13: paying it. They tried to paper over that with six
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  Speaker 13: and a half billion dollars worth of subsidies to try
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  Speaker 13: and get to that two hundred and seventy five dollars
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  Speaker 13: reduction energy bill that he promised. Saw your energy bill
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  Speaker 13: go up by over a thousand dollars. So the reality
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  Speaker 13: is is they've masked their way through this. We welcome
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  Speaker 13: some downward pressure on inflation, but when you see the
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  Speaker 13: rest of the world has already got interest rate cuts
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  Speaker 13: and have had those reductions to give them that ease
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  Speaker 13: of cost living pressure. Unfortunately, we're late to the party
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  Speaker 13: and we're still not fixing the fundamentals in your editorial there.
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  Speaker 13: Unless we face into this and understand that our energy
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  Speaker 13: grid will actually be one of the biggest determinants of
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  Speaker 13: keeping inflation sticky for longer, then we're going to continue
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  Speaker 13: to see inflation at a level that could be a
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  Speaker 13: lot less. And we still just remember prices have gone
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  Speaker 13: up three point two percent over this last quarter, so
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  Speaker 13: they're still going up.
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  Speaker 15: So what we're saying is.
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  Speaker 13: There's more action that could happen, and unless you get
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  Speaker 13: rid of the ideology and leading to the practical reality,
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  Speaker 13: you're going to continue to pay more. We hope that
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  Speaker 13: there's a rate cup because you're paying around fifty thousand
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  Speaker 13: dollars more on the average mortgage than what you were
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  Speaker 13: two and a half years ago.
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  Speaker 4: When Anthony Albernezi took.
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  Speaker 3: Over talking about that pressure on energy prices and the
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  Speaker 3: way that feeds into inflation. The Nationals were the last
• 19:39
  Speaker 3: cab on the rank, signing up to net zero by
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  Speaker 3: twenty fifty. Peter Dutton's recommitted to the Paris Agreement, which
• 19:47
  Speaker 3: is the net zero by twenty fifty agreement, even after
• 19:50
  Speaker 3: Donald Trump has taken America out of it again, when
• 19:53
  Speaker 3: you got the world's biggest economy abandoning Paris, and when
• 19:57
  Speaker 3: anybody who's studied the economics and engineering and physics of
• 20:01
  Speaker 3: this can see that zero by twenty fifty is not
• 20:04
  Speaker 3: even achievable for Australia, let alone the world. Why shouldn't
• 20:09
  Speaker 3: the coalition abandon that plan now and just try to
• 20:12
  Speaker 3: reduce emissions in an economically sensible way without setting an
• 20:16
  Speaker 3: artificial deadline.
• 20:19
  Speaker 4: Yeah, that's a good question, mate.
• 20:20
  Speaker 13: And the reality is, if you just articulated the United
• 20:23
  Speaker 13: States is the biggest economy in the world, we're not.
• 20:26
  Speaker 13: We're twenty seven million people. We're a trading nation. And
• 20:29
  Speaker 13: what we've got to be able to do is to
• 20:31
  Speaker 13: be able to say that if we go against the
• 20:33
  Speaker 13: rest of the world, that it's not weaponized against this.
• 20:36
  Speaker 13: And that means that for my people that I represent,
• 20:39
  Speaker 13: the resource sector and the agricultural sector and regional communities
• 20:42
  Speaker 13: that rely on them, is that they'll have a tariff
• 20:46
  Speaker 13: potentially put on their product and they send.
• 20:47
  Speaker 4: Out on a boat.
• 20:48
  Speaker 13: I'll also see that their capital could be weighted anywhere
• 20:52
  Speaker 13: from one and a half to three percent. You think
• 20:54
  Speaker 13: your interest rates are tough, now you add that on.
• 20:57
  Speaker 13: Because we haven't signed up to a international commitment, You've
• 21:00
  Speaker 13: actually got to think about our place in the world
• 21:02
  Speaker 13: and the reality and the impacts of us wanting to
• 21:06
  Speaker 13: lead the charge. And while it might sound good, the
• 21:08
  Speaker 13: reality is is the people in regional Australia were the
• 21:11
  Speaker 13: ones that hurt the most because the world will retaliate
• 21:14
  Speaker 13: against us because we're not as big as the United States.
• 21:17
  Speaker 4: So we've got to be.
• 21:18
  Speaker 13: Sensible about this, and that's why we're not going down
• 21:21
  Speaker 13: on all Renewald's path That doesn't make sense, and we
• 21:24
  Speaker 13: don't have to achieve this by twenty thirty. Twenty fifty
• 21:26
  Speaker 13: is a long way off and there's no linear pathway.
• 21:29
  Speaker 13: What your experience today is a linear pathway of what
• 21:31
  Speaker 13: labour's trying to achieve by twenty thirty. But we've got
• 21:34
  Speaker 13: to weigh this up in the economics of what impact
• 21:38
  Speaker 13: that would have if only the United States has gone it,
• 21:40
  Speaker 13: the rest of the world hasn't. We leave ourselves vulnerable,
• 21:43
  Speaker 13: and that's why those in the agriculture sector, in the
• 21:46
  Speaker 13: mining sector as well, I've said, they sign up to
• 21:48
  Speaker 13: it by twenty fifty because they don't want to see
• 21:51
  Speaker 13: those punitive financial penalties because we're an outlier in the
• 21:54
  Speaker 13: world because of our place in the world, our size
• 21:56
  Speaker 13: of the world.
• 21:57
  Speaker 3: David Little Powd thanks thanks so much for joining us
• 22:00
  Speaker 3: from Bendigo there in Central Victoria. David Little Proud they're
• 22:04
  Speaker 3: effectively saying Australia sticks or the coalition sticks with a
• 22:07
  Speaker 3: zero B twenty fifty target because the world's forcing us
• 22:10
  Speaker 3: to do that economically. I suppose if any others follow
• 22:14
  Speaker 3: America's lead, that might help us out a bit. We'll
• 22:17
  Speaker 3: keep on this issue, don't you worry between now and
• 22:20
  Speaker 3: the election. I want to stick with the cost of
• 22:22
  Speaker 3: living and talk about the inflation figures out today and
• 22:25
  Speaker 3: the underlying rate of course remaining above the three percent
• 22:28
  Speaker 3: target at three point two percent. So the Reserve Bank
• 22:31
  Speaker 3: shouldn't be fooled by Labour's trickery.
• 22:33
  Speaker 4: When it's making its rates decision next month.
• 22:35
  Speaker 3: Treasurer Jim Chalmers, he thinks it's all going very well
• 22:38
  Speaker 3: at the moment and the real threat comes from the coalition.
• 22:43
  Speaker 7: If Peter Duarton had his way, Australians would have been
• 22:46
  Speaker 7: thousands of dollars worse off, and they will be worse
• 22:49
  Speaker 7: off still if he wins the election. The biggest risk
• 22:53
  Speaker 7: to inflation and the cost of living and the economy
• 22:57
  Speaker 7: in twenty twenty five is Peter Dutton and a coalition government.
• 23:01
  Speaker 3: Let's bring in Ggi Foster, professor of economics at the
• 23:04
  Speaker 3: University of New South Wales. Good to talk to you
• 23:06
  Speaker 3: for first time this year. Gglet's cut to the chase.
• 23:09
  Speaker 3: Do you think the IBI can cut rights?
• 23:11
  Speaker 4: Now?
• 23:13
  Speaker 16: Well, I don't have a crystal ball, Chris, but if
• 23:15
  Speaker 16: I had to give a prediction, I'd say no. My
• 23:18
  Speaker 16: read of Michelle Bullock's task at this moment is to
• 23:21
  Speaker 16: try to differentiate those parts of the economic signals she's
• 23:25
  Speaker 16: seeing that are really due to fundamentals in the economy
• 23:29
  Speaker 16: and those parts that are due to artificial propping up
• 23:31
  Speaker 16: by the government. And you see that in her focus
• 23:34
  Speaker 16: on the trimmed mean inflation, which is not, as you
• 23:36
  Speaker 16: know yet in that target ban between two and three percent.
• 23:40
  Speaker 16: And the last time she spoke to us publicly, I
• 23:42
  Speaker 16: think she said something about the middle of the target ban.
• 23:44
  Speaker 16: So even if that trimmed mean got to three percent,
• 23:47
  Speaker 16: that's still above two point five percent.
• 23:50
  Speaker 3: Plus.
• 23:50
  Speaker 16: She's not just looking at inflation, remember, she's looking at
• 23:52
  Speaker 16: unemployment as well, and that figure is still awfully low,
• 23:57
  Speaker 16: below what we typically think of as and teacher students
• 24:00
  Speaker 16: to be the NEHRU, the sort of non accelerating rate
• 24:04
  Speaker 16: of inflation rate of unemployment. So that's four point zero percent,
• 24:08
  Speaker 16: very low for Australia's historical standards. So I think she's
• 24:11
  Speaker 16: still going to be saying to herself, Oh, it's just
• 24:14
  Speaker 16: too early to cut the rates. And I still wish
• 24:17
  Speaker 16: she will say to herself that that government would start
• 24:20
  Speaker 16: cutting some of the ridiculous expenditures that are keeping inflation going.
• 24:24
  Speaker 4: Yeah, clearly the government wants a rate.
• 24:26
  Speaker 3: Clearly the markets are sort of factoring it in there.
• 24:29
  Speaker 4: But I think you're absolutely right.
• 24:30
  Speaker 3: I've looked at carefully what she's been saying Michelle Bullock
• 24:32
  Speaker 3: over the past year, and for her to cut rates
• 24:35
  Speaker 3: now would actually make a mockery of most of the
• 24:38
  Speaker 3: logic she's laid out over the past year. So it
• 24:40
  Speaker 3: would be very difficult for her to explain. But taking
• 24:43
  Speaker 3: up that second point you made, we've had an informal
• 24:46
  Speaker 3: election campaign since pretty much a New Year's Day and
• 24:50
  Speaker 3: from the government it's included even more spending. I mean,
• 24:54
  Speaker 3: how much longer will this go on and what damage
• 24:57
  Speaker 3: will it do to this long term inflation?
• 24:59
  Speaker 4: Five?
• 25:01
  Speaker 16: Yeah, it's just nuts. I mean I think that our
• 25:04
  Speaker 16: leaders at the moment are really just not reading the
• 25:06
  Speaker 16: writing on the wall, either from Australian consumers or honestly
• 25:10
  Speaker 16: from overseas signals Trump with the doge and the cutting
• 25:15
  Speaker 16: of waste in government. I mean, if you had one
• 25:17
  Speaker 16: thing to do to try to reduce government spending, it's
• 25:20
  Speaker 16: cut all those bureaucratic jobs and red tape jobs that
• 25:23
  Speaker 16: are not adding anything. Why do we think our productivity
• 25:25
  Speaker 16: is in a slump. Well, all these jobs that are
• 25:27
  Speaker 16: being created, so many of them are public sector jobs,
• 25:31
  Speaker 16: and some of those are necessary, but an awful lot
• 25:34
  Speaker 16: are just paper pushing jobs that don't add anything. I
• 25:37
  Speaker 16: have real value to the economy. So I just think
• 25:39
  Speaker 16: the government is desperately trying to preserve its own skin,
• 25:43
  Speaker 16: its own reputation, and the employment of its many, many
• 25:47
  Speaker 16: many bureaucrats. And this is what it's going to do.
• 25:49
  Speaker 16: It's going to keep the hands in the ears and
• 25:52
  Speaker 16: la la la la as long as it possibly can,
• 25:54
  Speaker 16: and just not face the writing on the wall.
• 25:57
  Speaker 4: That's it. Lucky a kid having a tantrum, having a tantrum.
• 26:00
  Speaker 3: Thanks very much, Jiji appreciated Gigi Foster there with the
• 26:03
  Speaker 3: cut through on the economic situation.
• 26:05
  Speaker 4: Don't forget that breaking news.
• 26:07
  Speaker 3: We'll bring you an update this hour because the new
• 26:09
  Speaker 3: South Wales Premier, Chris Mins is planning to address the
• 26:13
  Speaker 3: media over the caravan laden with explosives, including lists of
• 26:18
  Speaker 3: Jewish targets. We'll have more details on that, bring you
• 26:21
  Speaker 3: that press conference when it happens live. But after this break,
• 26:25
  Speaker 3: I'm going to introduce you to a man who grew
• 26:26
  Speaker 3: up in Gaza, has lost friends and relatives in the war.
• 26:30
  Speaker 3: He shares aspirations for Palestinian statehood, but he calls out
• 26:35
  Speaker 3: the Islamist terrorism of Hummus.
• 26:41
  Speaker 4: Just a reminder of that breaking news.
• 26:43
  Speaker 3: We are on standby to go to the New South
• 26:45
  Speaker 3: Wales Premier to hear about the caravan, the explosives and the.
• 26:48
  Speaker 4: Anti Jewish notes. Will bring you that live.
• 26:51
  Speaker 3: But on related issues, Donald Trump has invited Israeli Prime
• 26:54
  Speaker 3: Minister Benjamin Nahu to the White House next week to
• 26:58
  Speaker 3: discuss the path to a lasting peace.
• 27:00
  Speaker 4: For Gaza, the West Bank and Israel. Good.
• 27:03
  Speaker 3: I hope they escalate the current sickening hostage trades. I'd
• 27:07
  Speaker 3: like to know where is the Bibas family, Mum, dad
• 27:11
  Speaker 3: and the two little boys. More than fifteen months in captivity,
• 27:15
  Speaker 3: one set of grandparents slaughtered. Where are they now? If
• 27:19
  Speaker 3: they're alive? Why haven't Hummus freedom? If they're dead, Why
• 27:23
  Speaker 3: are their bodies not returned? What depraved minds anywhere in.
• 27:28
  Speaker 4: The world could justify cruelty like this, evil like this?
• 27:32
  Speaker 3: How do we explain Hummus and the support it gets
• 27:35
  Speaker 3: around the world. Let me introduce you to a man
• 27:38
  Speaker 3: from Gaza. He grew up there, He's lost friends and
• 27:41
  Speaker 3: relatives in the war. He shares aspirations for Palestinian statehood,
• 27:46
  Speaker 3: but he calls out.
• 27:47
  Speaker 4: The Islamist terrorism of Hummus.
• 27:50
  Speaker 3: Ahmed failed al Katib is a senior fellow with the
• 27:53
  Speaker 3: Atlantic Council in Washington, and I asked him to explain
• 27:57
  Speaker 3: the distinction between support for Palestinian and acceptance of Hamas.
• 28:03
  Speaker 5: Certainly, thanks for having me. I appreciate the opportunity to
• 28:06
  Speaker 5: speak to your audience. And so there's very much so
• 28:09
  Speaker 5: a desire by myself and many silenced Palestinians, moderate Palasinians,
• 28:15
  Speaker 5: pragmatic and practical Palacinians who are often overlooked, to separate
• 28:21
  Speaker 5: our people's just and urgent aspirations for freedom and dependence
• 28:26
  Speaker 5: from Hamas's Islamist agenda and terrorism that have hijacked the
• 28:31
  Speaker 5: Palestinian national project, that have failed the Palastinian people in
• 28:35
  Speaker 5: Gaza and beyond that sabotaged the OSCLO piece process that
• 28:39
  Speaker 5: squandered our resources, gotten tens of thousands of our people
• 28:43
  Speaker 5: killed for absolutely nothing. So I've been on a mission
• 28:47
  Speaker 5: since October seventh to not just because it's the effective
• 28:53
  Speaker 5: and politically prudent thing to do, but because it's also
• 28:56
  Speaker 5: the moral thing, the right thing to do, to denounce Hamas,
• 28:59
  Speaker 5: to denounce October seventh, to say not in my name,
• 29:02
  Speaker 5: taking women and children as hostages and starting this entirely unnecessary,
• 29:07
  Speaker 5: unprovoked war in the name of the Palestinian people. And
• 29:12
  Speaker 5: there are many like me who are unfortunately not just
• 29:15
  Speaker 5: afraid to speak out in Gaza or in the West Bank,
• 29:19
  Speaker 5: but are being systematically pushed aside in the Western world
• 29:24
  Speaker 5: by a lot of the liberal media and liberal news
• 29:28
  Speaker 5: outlets who have formed this prototype kind of perception of
• 29:33
  Speaker 5: what being pro Palestine actually looks like.
• 29:36
  Speaker 4: Yeah, so explain this to us.
• 29:38
  Speaker 3: This is what's confounded me, because it's so obvious what's
• 29:41
  Speaker 3: going on here. Gaza was not occupied by Israel, has
• 29:46
  Speaker 3: not been for almost two decades. Gaza was the opportunity
• 29:51
  Speaker 3: for Palestinian aspirations to present themselves in a peaceful and
• 29:55
  Speaker 3: hopefully prosperous. Why but instead you had Hamasi in control
• 29:59
  Speaker 3: initially a and on October the seventh, they committed the
• 30:03
  Speaker 3: most atrocious atrocities, the most bloodthirsty atrocities, deliberately sparking a
• 30:10
  Speaker 3: war that they knew would lead to the death of
• 30:13
  Speaker 3: tens of thousands of Palestinians. Explain to us, why, what's
• 30:18
  Speaker 3: the motivation there?
• 30:21
  Speaker 5: Well, Hamas hit a dead end in terms of its
• 30:23
  Speaker 5: failed governance. The people of Gaza had rejected the group's
• 30:27
  Speaker 5: failures time and again. They've grown weary in the lead
• 30:31
  Speaker 5: up to October seventh of all the empty resistant slogans,
• 30:36
  Speaker 5: the people of Gaza said, we want a basic, dignified life,
• 30:40
  Speaker 5: and we don't want to be kept under the boot
• 30:43
  Speaker 5: of an Iranian sponsor proxy that's holding us hostage in
• 30:47
  Speaker 5: the name of fighting off Israel, in the name of
• 30:50
  Speaker 5: being part of the so called Axis of resistance with Hesbalah,
• 30:55
  Speaker 5: with the Hofies, with the Shiah militias throughout their including
• 31:01
  Speaker 5: in Syria and Iraq and so Hama, and the Palestinian
• 31:06
  Speaker 5: people in Gaza protested against Hamas mass demonstrations in twenty seventeen.
• 31:12
  Speaker 5: In twenty nineteen and in twenty twenty three, three months
• 31:15
  Speaker 5: before October seventh, and Hamas realized that it is hitting
• 31:20
  Speaker 5: a wall in terms of its inability to provide for
• 31:23
  Speaker 5: its people, despite billions of dollars of Katari suitcases full
• 31:27
  Speaker 5: of money. It wanted to stop the normalization of relations
• 31:31
  Speaker 5: between Israel and Saudi Arabia. It was terrified that the
• 31:37
  Speaker 5: prospect of Saudi normalization would render the whole resistance agenda
• 31:43
  Speaker 5: irrelevant because the region was being reshaped to create this
• 31:48
  Speaker 5: new alliance, including with Israel, a moderate Arab and Muslim nations,
• 31:53
  Speaker 5: and Israel to fight off in Iranian aggression throughout the region,
• 31:58
  Speaker 5: and so, unfortunately our people as part of Hamas's nefarious
• 32:03
  Speaker 5: and deadly calculus, particularly by the hardliners in the militant
• 32:08
  Speaker 5: the military wing, the Casam Brigades, Hamas has an armed wing,
• 32:12
  Speaker 5: has a political wing, a social wing. These guys took
• 32:15
  Speaker 5: over the entirety of the movement and plundered our people
• 32:20
  Speaker 5: into this disastrous war without any consideration for our safety,
• 32:25
  Speaker 5: giving us mere slogans about how we're supposed to love
• 32:29
  Speaker 5: martyr them more than Israeli's love life, how we're supposed
• 32:33
  Speaker 5: to sacrifice give these sacrifices, necessary sacrifices, as Sinoar called
• 32:39
  Speaker 5: them in various intercepted reports, so that Israel can be
• 32:44
  Speaker 5: de legitimized. So the more Palestinians were killed by Israel,
• 32:49
  Speaker 5: the more Israel would be delegitimized and therefore forced to
• 32:53
  Speaker 5: stop the war, or so Hamas thought. And unfortunately Hamas
• 32:58
  Speaker 5: relied on boards of pro Palestine, and I put in
• 33:03
  Speaker 5: quotes because they're not really pro Palestine. There's a lot
• 33:06
  Speaker 5: more to be in pro Palestine than simply anti Israel.
• 33:10
  Speaker 5: But Hamas relied on pro Palestine folks in the Western
• 33:14
  Speaker 5: world to place maximum pressure, media and other political pressure
• 33:21
  Speaker 5: on their respective governments to get Israel to stop this attack.
• 33:25
  Speaker 5: And unfortunately, when that failed for our people, Hamas really
• 33:30
  Speaker 5: truly realized the extent of the disaster, and even then,
• 33:34
  Speaker 5: instead of stopping it, they kept on and on and
• 33:38
  Speaker 5: on for fifteen months. And it was really a miracle
• 33:41
  Speaker 5: that mister Trump was able to pull the different threads
• 33:45
  Speaker 5: that were on the table already and bring them together
• 33:48
  Speaker 5: before he even had assumed office to make the ceasefire happen.
• 33:52
  Speaker 4: But Ah made you.
• 33:53
  Speaker 3: Know about the suffering in Gaza. You've lost relatives and
• 33:57
  Speaker 3: friends in this lightest war. Some of the we're talking
• 34:00
  Speaker 3: about this tactic in the days after October the seventh.
• 34:04
  Speaker 3: If you understand these issues, it's obvious so Hamas want
• 34:08
  Speaker 3: Palestinians did because that helps in their propaganda war against Israel.
• 34:13
  Speaker 3: Yet media and academics around the Western world have been
• 34:18
  Speaker 3: puppets for their propaganda.
• 34:22
  Speaker 5: Precisely that. And unfortunately, and to be clear, and I
• 34:26
  Speaker 5: appreciate when you open the segment you said that I
• 34:30
  Speaker 5: absolutely do and at times ferociously criticize Israel's war strategy,
• 34:36
  Speaker 5: and have done so publicly and to Israeli and Jewish
• 34:40
  Speaker 5: media outlets out in the open. But it is indisputable
• 34:44
  Speaker 5: that Hamas viewed spilled Palestinian blood as necessary to show
• 34:49
  Speaker 5: us as victims, to show that the bloodied Palestinian bodies
• 34:54
  Speaker 5: and force the international community to react against Israel, hoping
• 35:00
  Speaker 5: that people would forget the disaster that was Hamas's decision
• 35:04
  Speaker 5: to launch October seventh, the disaster that was Hamas's rise
• 35:09
  Speaker 5: to political power and control of gosms for the past
• 35:13
  Speaker 5: eighteen years, The disaster that was all these wars and
• 35:17
  Speaker 5: billions of dollars of reconstruction aid in terms of thousands
• 35:21
  Speaker 5: of lives. We're approaching the twenty year anniversary of the
• 35:25
  Speaker 5: withdrawal of Israeli settlements and it's gaza sits in ruins.
• 35:30
  Speaker 4: Appreciate you all being oh. I let me take you
• 35:32
  Speaker 4: in our lives to the New South Wales Premier Chris Man.
• 35:35
  Speaker 11: Slice Dave Hudson. As you'd be aware, police were made
• 35:38
  Speaker 11: aware of a major potential threat in New South Wales
• 35:42
  Speaker 11: in our community and conducted extensive operations in recent weeks
• 35:47
  Speaker 11: into that threat. Clearly place a very concern in the community,
• 35:51
  Speaker 11: is very concerned about the rising number of anti Semitic
• 35:55
  Speaker 11: attacks in our community, community escalating to the point where
• 35:59
  Speaker 11: they were a mass casualty event. Police were made aware
• 36:04
  Speaker 11: of a van with explosive material located in it in Dural.
• 36:09
  Speaker 11: They've been conducting investigations into the site, into the van,
• 36:13
  Speaker 11: into the owners of the van and any associates of
• 36:17
  Speaker 11: the owners of that van since that time. Now I
• 36:20
  Speaker 11: was briefed about the van as well as ongoing police
• 36:23
  Speaker 11: inquiries and investigations over that period of time. I want
• 36:27
  Speaker 11: to make it very clear please take this threat incredibly seriously.
• 36:31
  Speaker 11: As I've said for many many weeks now, the full
• 36:34
  Speaker 11: resources of the State of New South Wales and New
• 36:36
  Speaker 11: South Wales Police have been deployed to confront this very
• 36:41
  Speaker 11: serious threat to our community. I want to make it
• 36:44
  Speaker 11: absolutely clear, and I understand community concerns about this story
• 36:49
  Speaker 11: and similar escalating incidents of anti Semitic violence in our community,
• 36:54
  Speaker 11: that anyone attempting terrorism, violence hatred in our community will
• 37:00
  Speaker 11: be met with the full force of the law. That
• 37:03
  Speaker 11: there are massive amounts of police and government resources being
• 37:07
  Speaker 11: devoted to this investigation, That there will be absolutely no
• 37:10
  Speaker 11: tolerance under any circumstances for these acts of criminal violence
• 37:15
  Speaker 11: in our community, and anyone attempting this level of violence
• 37:20
  Speaker 11: in New South Wales will be met by every resource
• 37:23
  Speaker 11: that we have to throw at it. And I'm going
• 37:24
  Speaker 11: to pass over to Dave to speech, you know, except.
• 37:30
  Speaker 15: Thank you Premier.
• 37:32
  Speaker 17: As the Premier indicated, on the nineteenth of January this year,
• 37:36
  Speaker 17: the suburb of Dural police were contacted and subsequently recovered
• 37:40
  Speaker 17: a caravan on a residential property Rural property. That caravan
• 37:46
  Speaker 17: contained an amount of explosives and some indication that those
• 37:50
  Speaker 17: explosives might be used in some form of anti Semitic attack.
• 37:55
  Speaker 15: Since that time.
• 37:56
  Speaker 17: Obviously, we have taken, as the Premier are indicated, the
• 38:00
  Speaker 17: threat very seriously. We've mobilized the Joint counter Terrorism Team
• 38:05
  Speaker 17: in relation to conducting the investigation. That team is comprised
• 38:09
  Speaker 17: of US, the New South Wales Police, in addition the
• 38:12
  Speaker 17: Australian Federal Police, the Australian Security Intelligence Organization and the
• 38:18
  Speaker 17: New South Wales Crime Commission in a joint partnership investigating
• 38:22
  Speaker 17: this matter. As such, there are one hundred officers of
• 38:27
  Speaker 17: those agencies deployed and currently engaged in investigations in this
• 38:31
  Speaker 17: particular matter. Investigations into over the last ten days have progressed, however,
• 38:37
  Speaker 17: there is a lot to do. We have made arrests
• 38:40
  Speaker 17: on the periphery of this job, but we are still
• 38:43
  Speaker 17: looking for assistance in relation to anyone who saw that
• 38:47
  Speaker 17: caravan parked by the side of the road from the
• 38:51
  Speaker 17: seventh of December to the nineteenth of January this year
• 38:53
  Speaker 17: in durrell a caravan that was parked in a hazardous
• 38:57
  Speaker 17: position prior to it being moved by or resident. I
• 39:02
  Speaker 17: can understand the community concern in relation to what the
• 39:07
  Speaker 17: Premier has.
• 39:07
  Speaker 15: Outlined and what is currently evolving.
• 39:10
  Speaker 17: However, I can indicate we have no information that there
• 39:15
  Speaker 17: are further explosives in our community in relation to conducting
• 39:19
  Speaker 17: anti Semitic attacks anywhere. We believe that we have contained
• 39:24
  Speaker 17: appropriately this current threat. It is in the Joint counter
• 39:28
  Speaker 17: Terrorism Team environment, and investigations will be ongoing in relation
• 39:33
  Speaker 17: to this particular job and any potential crossovers with Strikeforce Perl,
• 39:39
  Speaker 17: which as you know, is conducting investigations into other anti
• 39:43
  Speaker 17: Semitic attacks within New South Wales. We will not rest
• 39:48
  Speaker 17: until these matters are resolved. We understand the concerns of
• 39:52
  Speaker 17: the community. We understand the concerns of the Jewish community,
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  Speaker 17: and we take all these threats exceptionally serious. Sleep this
• 40:01
  Speaker 17: particular matter has escalated out of Pearl because of its seriousness,
• 40:05
  Speaker 17: because of its severity, and as I indicated, is being
• 40:09
  Speaker 17: conducted by the Joint counter Terrorism Team. Unless there are
• 40:13
  Speaker 17: any questions that you may wish to ask to myself,
• 40:16
  Speaker 17: looks themselves, what were they? What type?
• 40:20
  Speaker 4: How many? And specifically as well, what were the targets
• 40:23
  Speaker 4: that were listed inside that.
• 40:25
  Speaker 17: I don't think it's a probiate nominate the targets I
• 40:27
  Speaker 17: can indicate that, but the Jewish community will be made
• 40:30
  Speaker 17: aware of those and have been I can indicate that
• 40:34
  Speaker 17: the explosives were power gel we believed obtained from potentially
• 40:40
  Speaker 17: a mining site, but those investigations are ongoing.
• 40:47
  Speaker 12: Did the.
• 40:49
  Speaker 18: Targets in the Jewish community did they find out that
• 40:52
  Speaker 18: they were on that note across this weitek or did
• 40:54
  Speaker 18: they find out today when.
• 40:55
  Speaker 4: They saw it in the press.
• 40:58
  Speaker 17: Engagement at different level of the Jewish community have taken
• 41:01
  Speaker 17: place in relation to the threat. I don't want to
• 41:04
  Speaker 17: really disclose our communication pathways to that community, but we
• 41:11
  Speaker 17: are constantly in communication with the Jewish community, have been
• 41:14
  Speaker 17: since since last October when these incidents escalated, and certainly
• 41:19
  Speaker 17: since October the seventh when we saw what happened to
• 41:22
  Speaker 17: the opera house.
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  Speaker 5: Lead through.
• 41:31
  Speaker 17: There are ongoing investigations which need to be conducted. Ideally
• 41:39
  Speaker 17: those investigations are conducted with some form of anonymity in
• 41:44
  Speaker 17: relation to what we are trying to pursue. I've indicated
• 41:48
  Speaker 17: that we have made a rest on the periphery of
• 41:50
  Speaker 17: this job, but we still are after other offenders that
• 41:54
  Speaker 17: we believe may be involved to come out prior to
• 41:57
  Speaker 17: it being being put out, particular music establishments. We've compromised
• 42:04
  Speaker 17: that job that was going to happen once it became
• 42:07
  Speaker 17: so we're in discussions with government. We decided to disclose
• 42:11
  Speaker 17: fully what we were aware of and where we're going
• 42:13
  Speaker 17: with this.
• 42:13
  Speaker 5: Job that were made on the PIP.
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  Speaker 4: What can you say about those in Sydney and what.
• 42:18
  Speaker 5: Would people learn.
• 42:20
  Speaker 17: We believe there is some connection between some of the
• 42:22
  Speaker 17: targets we've charged under Strike Force Pearl and this particular investigation.
• 42:26
  Speaker 16: Some of the people charged with things like graffiti and and.
• 42:31
  Speaker 10: We've known about and seen about also maybe linked.
• 42:35
  Speaker 18: To the correct Is there any indication that these were
• 42:38
  Speaker 18: also in or leads indicating that these election truss could
• 42:43
  Speaker 18: also have been paid or under the alls lot of
• 42:46
  Speaker 18: people as we've seen the last last week.
• 42:48
  Speaker 17: Because those indications, those inquiries are ongoing, it's you know,
• 42:54
  Speaker 17: we can speculate about what happened until we actually investigate
• 42:58
  Speaker 17: that we investigate, we don't speculate, and we need evidence
• 43:02
  Speaker 17: to support what our beliefs are.
• 43:05
  Speaker 15: We're pursuing those.
• 43:07
  Speaker 17: As I said, we've got over one hundred officers engaged
• 43:09
  Speaker 17: in this investigation and that's one of the main lines
• 43:13
  Speaker 17: of inquiry, not just those responsible for place in that caravan,
• 43:17
  Speaker 17: but anyone who may have been responsible for orchestrating them all.
• 43:22
  Speaker 10: If that's what you're saying, how can you be certain
• 43:24
  Speaker 10: that the reason development exists.
• 43:28
  Speaker 17: We are are aware that we've recovered the explosives that
• 43:34
  Speaker 17: are known to be out there. We believe that through
• 43:39
  Speaker 17: the arrests that have been made on the proofy of
• 43:41
  Speaker 17: this job, through Strikeforce Pearl, that we've mitigated the risk
• 43:45
  Speaker 17: as much as possible this stage. I'm not saying it's
• 43:47
  Speaker 17: been eliminated. I'm saying I'm saying it's being mitigated. And
• 43:51
  Speaker 17: that's one of the reasons we're talking today for members
• 43:55
  Speaker 17: of the public to be vigilant in relation to what
• 43:57
  Speaker 17: they see and what they hear in relation to anti
• 44:00
  Speaker 17: submit anti semitism in our community. There there are individuals
• 44:06
  Speaker 17: in our community who know what happened.
• 44:08
  Speaker 18: It's not optically, It's pretty bad, isn't it that the
• 44:12
  Speaker 18: two antisthic attacks in ten days Premier pretty much daily
• 44:17
  Speaker 18: press conference is reashowing the community all the while that
• 44:19
  Speaker 18: was explosed as about forty Way and.
• 44:22
  Speaker 4: Elites, and.
• 44:24
  Speaker 11: That one I think it would to be fair, a
• 44:27
  Speaker 11: fair minded person would say that at each and every
• 44:30
  Speaker 11: one of those media conferences, I made it abundantly clear
• 44:34
  Speaker 11: that we take this incredibly seriously, that every police resources
• 44:38
  Speaker 11: were being deployed to this investigation and that the threat
• 44:41
  Speaker 11: was ongoing, and I was asked specifically many times whether
• 44:44
  Speaker 11: it had passed, and I was never able to give
• 44:46
  Speaker 11: that assurance. Now, Davis said, the Deputy Commissioner has made
• 44:50
  Speaker 11: it clear. Firstly the van was in police custody. Secondly,
• 44:53
  Speaker 11: arrests had been made in relation to this investigation. And thirdly,
• 44:56
  Speaker 11: and most crucially, police need to be able to con
• 45:00
  Speaker 11: duct investigations as they see fit and if that's not
• 45:03
  Speaker 11: through the media because of investigative reasons, then we have
• 45:06
  Speaker 11: to defer the police to make that decision. The last
• 45:09
  Speaker 11: point here is through Operation Shelter and Operation Perl, engagement
• 45:14
  Speaker 11: with the Jewish community and Jewish places of community and
• 45:18
  Speaker 11: worship is ongoing. In fact, there's thousands of taskings that
• 45:22
  Speaker 11: have taken place from New South Wales police to synagogues,
• 45:26
  Speaker 11: Jewish schools and Jewish community centers over that period of time.
• 45:30
  Speaker 11: It's never going to be perfect, but it is constant
• 45:33
  Speaker 11: and both I was briefed in relation to this, as
• 45:36
  Speaker 11: was the Police Minister. As the Deputy Commissioner has made clear.
• 45:39
  Speaker 11: In addition to the detectives and the officers in Operation
• 45:42
  Speaker 11: Pearl and Shelter, there is one hundred police officers through
• 45:47
  Speaker 11: the counter Terrorism Command and State Crime that are focusing
• 45:51
  Speaker 11: specifically on this threat.
• 46:01
  Speaker 5: Knowledge they've.
• 46:03
  Speaker 13: So people have been living their life.
• 46:05
  Speaker 1: Not knowing that.
• 46:06
  Speaker 11: The well, hang on a second, again, we need to
• 46:11
  Speaker 11: get the facts on the table. Firstly, the van was
• 46:13
  Speaker 11: in police custody. It's important that that's a fact that
• 46:16
  Speaker 11: is reported. And secondly, the threat is serious and ongoing
• 46:20
  Speaker 11: and we'll be met with full police resources.
• 46:26
  Speaker 17: Where is that those inquiries are ongoing, we're not. We
• 46:29
  Speaker 17: haven't narrowed that down to a particularly working with the manufacturer,
• 46:34
  Speaker 17: working with the industry to try and identify that, however,
• 46:38
  Speaker 17: and that may lead to who placed the caravan. There
• 46:42
  Speaker 17: are the explosives in the caravan, That's one line of inquiry,
• 46:45
  Speaker 17: but there are many in this job that we are pursuing,
• 46:47
  Speaker 17: and that's why so many police are involved.
• 46:52
  Speaker 19: And how the caravan was abandoned midway through the plot.
• 46:57
  Speaker 4: Why leave those explosives?
• 47:00
  Speaker 13: Why interrupted?
• 47:04
  Speaker 15: That's one of the lines of inquiry that we're pursuing.
• 47:08
  Speaker 17: Whether it is a strategic matter that they've left those
• 47:14
  Speaker 17: there for to be discovered by police or authorities, whether
• 47:17
  Speaker 17: someone was looking for some assistance at court, whether someone
• 47:21
  Speaker 17: was going to disclose the existence of those explosives to
• 47:24
  Speaker 17: us prior to it being recovered by a member of
• 47:28
  Speaker 17: the community and towed to a safe place. At this stage,
• 47:33
  Speaker 17: even though it's ten days on into the investigation, we
• 47:36
  Speaker 17: are still unsure of those circumstances and we are pursuing
• 47:38
  Speaker 17: every one of them.
• 47:40
  Speaker 19: There was concern increasing an attacks eventually becoming a mass
• 47:45
  Speaker 19: cabal the event. When did those concerns first rise and
• 47:49
  Speaker 19: can you explain some more about why you have those
• 47:52
  Speaker 19: concerns about a mass capable attent.
• 47:56
  Speaker 17: Obviously, the discovery and the detection of the caravan contain
• 48:00
  Speaker 17: with an amount of explosives was not known to be
• 48:05
  Speaker 17: used in the normal anti Semitic attack that we have
• 48:09
  Speaker 17: seen occur in Sydney, such as graffiti and arson attacks.
• 48:15
  Speaker 17: This is certainly an escalation of that with the use
• 48:19
  Speaker 17: of explosives that have the potential to cause a great
• 48:23
  Speaker 17: deal of damage. I don't think I need to say
• 48:27
  Speaker 17: any more about why I think it's escalating when you're
• 48:30
  Speaker 17: seeing the tools of their anti Semitic trade being detected
• 48:36
  Speaker 17: and the damage that they can cause. It is certainly
• 48:41
  Speaker 17: of significant concern to us and to government.
• 48:48
  Speaker 13: Those people had additional charge check so far, as far
• 48:51
  Speaker 13: as put out by police media, strike was called charges
• 48:54
  Speaker 13: will been related to those specific sort of small level attacks.
• 48:58
  Speaker 4: So have those people been charged.
• 49:00
  Speaker 17: They've been charged with offenses related to Pearl. They are
• 49:03
  Speaker 17: in custody, They are posing no ongoing threat whilst their
• 49:07
  Speaker 17: investigations continue, not in relation to this, but they are
• 49:11
  Speaker 17: in custody, so there's no requirement for us to charge
• 49:13
  Speaker 17: them at this stage whilst our investigations continue. This level
• 49:24
  Speaker 17: are talking about Look, I'm not an expert. I believe
• 49:27
  Speaker 17: that the blast could have been forty motors in diameter,
• 49:30
  Speaker 17: but which is a significant amount of damage.
• 49:35
  Speaker 18: Yeah, they in the week mentioned it as well. It's
• 49:40
  Speaker 18: fort even custody to lend since last those people that
• 49:47
  Speaker 18: your investigators looking at.
• 49:49
  Speaker 17: But we're not disclosing which individuals are looking at as
• 49:52
  Speaker 17: part of this particular investigation. I can say that apart
• 49:55
  Speaker 17: from the Pearl arrest, we have made other vests in
• 49:58
  Speaker 17: relation to other offenses committed outside of Pearl, not necessarily
• 50:02
  Speaker 17: anti Semitic, but organized crime related jobs UH and we're
• 50:06
  Speaker 17: aware that certain individuals are in custody and pose no
• 50:09
  Speaker 17: residual threat to the community. They are all part of.
• 50:13
  Speaker 15: What we're looking at in relation to this particular job.
• 50:16
  Speaker 1: Is it looking.
• 50:19
  Speaker 17: I don't think it's We don't have any particular ideology
• 50:22
  Speaker 17: in relation to what's causing this, or any common links
• 50:27
  Speaker 17: between certain ideologies. But nothing's exclusive excluded this stage. We
• 50:34
  Speaker 17: pursue everything until we get to the truth and we
• 50:36
  Speaker 17: will do that.
• 50:37
  Speaker 15: Where is the police.
• 50:41
  Speaker 5: In the characterism?
• 50:46
  Speaker 17: No, I don't have concerns about the counter Terrorism Command.
• 50:51
  Speaker 15: You know, obviously there are a number.
• 50:53
  Speaker 17: Of agencies involved in this investigation, and we obviously have
• 50:58
  Speaker 17: a requirement to just close certain information to others external
• 51:03
  Speaker 17: to the police or external to the New South Wales
• 51:05
  Speaker 17: Police when you enter into that multi jurisdictional space. So
• 51:11
  Speaker 17: I don't have concerns about individuals within the counter Terrorism
• 51:14
  Speaker 17: Command obviously leaking information from the police as an offense
• 51:18
  Speaker 17: for those who aren't operationally entitled to.
• 51:20
  Speaker 15: Know about it. It's never.
• 51:24
  Speaker 17: It's never satisfactory from our point of view. However, you
• 51:28
  Speaker 17: know this information would have been released quite soon anyway,
• 51:33
  Speaker 17: because it is important that the community is aware of
• 51:36
  Speaker 17: the actions of the police and the threat that is
• 51:39
  Speaker 17: ongoing within our community.
• 51:42
  Speaker 11: Yes, I don't think.
• 51:45
  Speaker 18: I think that Jewish leaders mentioned the Jewish community at
• 51:51
  Speaker 18: press conviences that they fear that someone's going to get murdered.
• 51:55
  Speaker 15: Or killed or.
• 51:57
  Speaker 18: To a person the discovery the police have made in
• 52:01
  Speaker 18: relation to this far Surely does that not just reaffind
• 52:05
  Speaker 18: And what would you say to Rich Shuan that there
• 52:07
  Speaker 18: won't be an escalation someone an instance like this happens
• 52:12
  Speaker 18: if someone isn't attacked.
• 52:13
  Speaker 11: Look, it's with great regret that I can't make that guarantee.
• 52:16
  Speaker 11: There's bad actors in our community, badly motivated, bad ideologies,
• 52:21
  Speaker 11: bad morals, bad ethics, bad people. They're intent on doing
• 52:25
  Speaker 11: damage and harm to others in their community, people have
• 52:28
  Speaker 11: never met before, purely on the basis of their religion.
• 52:31
  Speaker 11: It's hateful. It's an ideology that we need to stamp out.
• 52:35
  Speaker 11: What I can promise is the full force of the law,
• 52:38
  Speaker 11: a massive, massive and growing police response. I'll say it again,
• 52:43
  Speaker 11: over one hundred counter terrorism police officers focused on this
• 52:47
  Speaker 11: particular threat, scores of detectives in relation to Operation PEERL
• 52:52
  Speaker 11: and Shelter, and they will continue. The last thing I
• 52:55
  Speaker 11: would say to the Jewish community. And this is very
• 53:00
  Speaker 11: genuine and based on the feedback that I have had
• 53:03
  Speaker 11: from people from all walks of life in New South Wales,
• 53:06
  Speaker 11: and that is the vast majority of people in New
• 53:08
  Speaker 11: South Wales find this behavior abhorrent, appalling against all of
• 53:13
  Speaker 11: the values and beliefs that we share in New South
• 53:16
  Speaker 11: Wales and we will defeat them. As the Deputy Commissioners said,
• 53:21
  Speaker 11: arrests have already been executed. You were talking about the
• 53:23
  Speaker 11: finest police force in the world that are deploying all
• 53:27
  Speaker 11: of their resources to catch these people, and they will
• 53:30
  Speaker 11: not stop until they're behind bars. Our briefed on the
• 53:36
  Speaker 11: twentieth of January.
• 53:38
  Speaker 20: Deputy Commissioner, some of the circumstances, I mean, the way
• 53:40
  Speaker 20: that this was found in a prominent location, a list
• 53:43
  Speaker 20: of targets. Are you convinced that the perpetrators intended on
• 53:48
  Speaker 20: following through? What do you think this might have been
• 53:50
  Speaker 20: some sort of a sinister message that was designed.
• 53:53
  Speaker 5: To be discovered.
• 53:54
  Speaker 17: That's one of the possibilities, as I think I indicated
• 53:58
  Speaker 17: to Chris before one of the one of the avenues
• 54:01
  Speaker 17: have inquired. We're pursuing the actual purpose that was left there.
• 54:05
  Speaker 17: Whether it was intended to be used or it is
• 54:07
  Speaker 17: intended to be found and claimed by others.
• 54:09
  Speaker 15: But we are working through that.
• 54:12
  Speaker 17: But I can say the amount of explosives is very
• 54:15
  Speaker 17: real and we need to take every threat at its
• 54:20
  Speaker 17: absolute highest in this current environment looked out.
• 54:23
  Speaker 19: At I made any recommendation on whether the thread level
• 54:27
  Speaker 19: should be increased.
• 54:28
  Speaker 15: In not at this stage.
• 54:32
  Speaker 17: Whilst we haven't just declared this is a terrorist incident,
• 54:35
  Speaker 17: obviously we don't have anyone in custody and as ongoing investigation.
• 54:39
  Speaker 17: Normally we would declare a terrorist incident or the Commissioner
• 54:42
  Speaker 17: would be asked to declare such if we were in
• 54:46
  Speaker 17: need of additional powers under the Terrorist and Police Powers Act.
• 54:49
  Speaker 17: We haven't seen fit. We've got sufficient powers under our
• 54:53
  Speaker 17: current legislation at this stage. But if we require that
• 54:58
  Speaker 17: from the Commission to make such declaration in conjunction with
• 55:02
  Speaker 17: the government, we will ask for that. Boy potential Well,
• 55:07
  Speaker 17: we need a serious a threat of serious harm and
• 55:11
  Speaker 17: obviously the arson attacks to vacant buildings and graffiti haven't
• 55:14
  Speaker 17: been that. There's been no significant threat of harm to
• 55:17
  Speaker 17: an individual, but this has changed. I'm sorry, Is there
• 55:24
  Speaker 17: anything else could be Well, we've just gone through the
• 55:27
  Speaker 17: purpose that it may have been left there. We need
• 55:29
  Speaker 17: to explore that at its highest it is, but we
• 55:34
  Speaker 17: need to conduct further investigations. We need to gather further
• 55:37
  Speaker 17: evidence from a number of individuals that we've identified, and
• 55:40
  Speaker 17: those investigations are ongoing.
• 55:42
  Speaker 3: That is New South Wales Deputy Police Commissioner David Hudson,
• 55:46
  Speaker 3: who's been speaking live at a press conference in Sydney
• 55:49
  Speaker 3: with the New South Wales Premier Chris Mins. They have
• 55:52
  Speaker 3: confirmed media reports that a caravan full of explosives was
• 55:57
  Speaker 3: found ten days ago in Jural, which is a semi
• 56:02
  Speaker 3: rural residential area on the northwest suburbs of Sydney. They
• 56:07
  Speaker 3: have found power Joel that is jelly Knight, normally used
• 56:11
  Speaker 3: in the mining industry, in this caravan, along with a
• 56:14
  Speaker 3: list of intended targets Jewish sites, including a synagogue.
• 56:19
  Speaker 4: The police have known about this for ten days.
• 56:21
  Speaker 3: It's become public now and a full investigation is underway.
• 56:25
  Speaker 3: Premier Chrismin says police and the public have been fearful
• 56:29
  Speaker 3: of a mass casualty event, which is why this is
• 56:32
  Speaker 3: such a big story.
• 56:34
  Speaker 4: We'll have more on it for you on Sky News.
• 56:36
  Speaker 4: You've heard it here live first.
• 56:38
  Speaker 3: That's the end of the show for today, interrupted by
• 56:40
  Speaker 3: that breaking news.
• 56:41
  Speaker 4: I'll be back tomorrow at five o'clock. Here's Peter Quidlin