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Danny Parkins on Caleb Williams' future, Justin Herbert's talent, Bill Belichick disaster | 10.10 · The Right Time with Bomani Jones

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  Speaker 1: Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to the right time, a wave original.
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  Speaker 1: My name is Beaumont Jones. Thanks for listening wherever you
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  Speaker 1: a hater. It is Danny Parkins Friday, a new variety
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  Speaker 1: of Friday that we got over here. Danny Parkins, check
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  Speaker 1: him out on FS1. First things first, five to six
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  Speaker 1: Eastern on FS1.
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  Speaker 2: What's going on, sir? Chilling, Bo. I was looking through
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  Speaker 2: old text messages. First time I came on this show,
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  Speaker 2: I was previewing the AFC West for you when I
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  Speaker 2: was doing radio in Kansas City like 11 years ago.
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  Speaker 2: How long have you been doing this thing?
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  Speaker 1: Okay, so this incarnation of it, I have been doing
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  Speaker 1: as a podcast now.
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  Speaker 2: This is the eighth year.
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  Speaker 1: That was the radio era, which started in 2015.
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  Speaker 2: I want to say. So yeah, we are in year 11. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: so I'm a year one guest.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, we got some day ones in the house. We
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  Speaker 1: got some day ones. There's also fun overlap. I like
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  Speaker 1: to tell people this because by and large, the people
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  Speaker 1: that I have on this show are my friends who
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  Speaker 1: just happen to be dope. Like we make new friends
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  Speaker 1: along the way. Like you guys really like Deontay Lee
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  Speaker 1: from Naranger. We're going to have him.
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  Speaker 2: On more with the show.
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  Speaker 1: But Danny went to college with Nick, very close with Nick.
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  Speaker 1: And Another fun fact to show the overlap of it,
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  Speaker 1: Danny's brother worked with my brother in the textbook industry.
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  Speaker 2: That is 100% true. And I finally got on a
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  Speaker 2: text chat with your brother recently. We might tee it
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  Speaker 2: up and play some golf one day. But yeah, I
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  Speaker 2: know you and your brother are very close. Me and
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  Speaker 2: my brother passed away a couple of years ago, but
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  Speaker 2: he was my best friend. And so the interconnections is crazy.
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  Speaker 2: And then I know also- Lefkoe who was between me
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  Speaker 2: and Nick at Syracuse you know him and I watched
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  Speaker 2: like 20 consecutive NFL Sundays together and had a great
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  Speaker 2: time yeah.
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  Speaker 1: I tried to crash you guys group chat only to
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  Speaker 1: find out that it was for um wagering it was.
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  Speaker 2: Mostly gambling it's mostly it's mostly gambling with like a
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  Speaker 2: side amount of like criticizing people in media behind their back.
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  Speaker 1: Like I was feeling left out and then I got
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  Speaker 1: there and realized oh y'all don't y'all don't want I
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  Speaker 1: don't belong I need to.
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  Speaker 2: Go back with my kind.
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  Speaker 1: Okay.
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  Speaker 2: I get this. But Nate, but you play blackjack now.
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  Speaker 2: That is true. I do play blackjack. There's just not
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  Speaker 2: a lot to talk about in there.
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  Speaker 1: Like Lefkoe, like the fun part for me with Lefkoe
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  Speaker 1: was when I went down to Atlanta to do an
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  Speaker 1: alt cast for TNT. And that was the most time
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  Speaker 1: I spent with Lefkoe. And I realized, oh, you and
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  Speaker 1: Nick are the same person.
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  Speaker 2: I misunderstood.
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  Speaker 1: Like you guys got rolled off the factory, like the
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  Speaker 1: same factory line.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly. The Black Wives Club, as they like to
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  Speaker 2: call it. Yeah. And Lefkoe, he has a superpower of likability,
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  Speaker 2: is how I describe him. Like, in college, he was, like,
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  Speaker 2: not nearly as serious in the student media stuff as
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  Speaker 2: Nick and I was. Like, he was, like, much more
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  Speaker 2: fun and social and friends with everybody. And then he
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  Speaker 2: put together his TV resume reel, like, The week before
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  Speaker 2: he graduated, he just was faking television stand-ups all over
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  Speaker 2: campus because he hadn't been doing the work. And I
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  Speaker 2: was like, this guy's going to be awesome. I didn't
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  Speaker 2: sell a single share of Lefkoe stock because every single
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  Speaker 2: person that meets him just loves him.
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  Speaker 1: Brother, I walked into the bar of the Four Seasons
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  Speaker 1: in Atlanta at closing time with Adam Lefkoe, and it
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  Speaker 1: was like Norm pulled up. Hell yeah. He's the king
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  Speaker 1: of this. But hey, we got a lot of NFL
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  Speaker 1: action this week. I actually just realized something that is
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  Speaker 1: going on in two different games that really may be
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  Speaker 1: the most interesting thing that we've got going on this weekend. Like,
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  Speaker 1: there are games with teams that have good records, right?
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  Speaker 1: The 49ers are playing against the Buccaneers. Of course, we
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  Speaker 1: have America's team playing against the Kansas City Chiefs on Sunday.
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  Speaker 2: And I normally don't stay at Nick's house late for night.
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  Speaker 1: Games, but I'm, don't tell him, but I'm pulling up
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  Speaker 1: in the Barry Sanders jersey on Sunday because, you know, like,
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  Speaker 1: we gone.
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  Speaker 2: I got my.
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  Speaker 1: Squads in the game, but we have a ghost of
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  Speaker 1: it's not even the ghost of Christmas past weekend. It's
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  Speaker 1: a what could have been weekend because there are two
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  Speaker 1: games with teams. Who have quarterbacks where they will be
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  Speaker 1: playing against a team who has the quarterback they could
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  Speaker 1: have drafted and perhaps wish that they had.
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  Speaker 2: Okay.
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  Speaker 1: I will start with the one that is most germane
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  Speaker 1: to your life as you are from Chicago. You are
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  Speaker 1: a Chicago Bears fan and your guys are playing against
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  Speaker 1: the Washington Commandos and you could have had Jaden Daniels. Instead,
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  Speaker 1: you got Caleb Williams, though I am inclined to make
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  Speaker 1: the point slash raise the argument that the problem in
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  Speaker 1: this case is who could the Bears take and it
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  Speaker 1: not go bad given that they ain't had a good
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  Speaker 1: quarterback since. And I know, look, it sounds corny to
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  Speaker 1: say it, but.
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  Speaker 2: It's the truth. It goes back to Sid Luckman. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: that's right. I mean, so I turned 39 in a
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  Speaker 2: couple of weeks and I've never seen a good quarterback.
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  Speaker 1: You didn't even get McMahon.
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  Speaker 2: Exactly. I didn't get McMahon. I got Jay Cutler. And
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  Speaker 2: Jay Cutler, when they acquired him, I was like, this
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  Speaker 2: is unbelievable. And then when he left, he was the
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  Speaker 2: exact same guy that they acquired, but he was, he
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  Speaker 2: did not, he did not get 1% better. It was
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  Speaker 2: just the same like back foot interceptions, maddening arm talent
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  Speaker 2: and nothing between the years. Eric Kramer had a nice season.
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  Speaker 2: Justin Fields had some sick runs and that's about it.
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  Speaker 2: And yeah, like, Hold on, you forgot about Rex.
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  Speaker 1: Rex, I think, had to be the worst one because
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  Speaker 1: the best of Rex Grossman was actually excellent.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, Rex was frustrating, and Rex was on a team
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  Speaker 2: that was, like, Devin Hassler was basically my favorite bear.
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  Speaker 2: Until Fields came along, it was like, oh, that's the
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  Speaker 2: most exciting bear with a football in his hands of
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  Speaker 2: my entire life because, again, I didn't get Walter Payton. Right.
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  Speaker 2: And so, yeah, I mean, I love that team, obviously, but, like,
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  Speaker 2: that was, like, a classic Bears team that you could
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  Speaker 2: relate to, like, your elders with. Cause it was like,
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  Speaker 2: we don't got a quarterback, but we have an unbelievable defense.
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  Speaker 2: You got Tillman and Earl Acker and Briggs and the
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  Speaker 2: whole thing, Mike Brown, the whole thing. But I am
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  Speaker 2: fine with Caleb. I'm still excited about Caleb. I thought
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  Speaker 2: that Drake may was the debate with him. And it was,
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  Speaker 2: I didn't believe in Jaden and I'm clearly wrong, but
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  Speaker 2: like coming out of it, I thought it was totally
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  Speaker 2: reasonable to say that the kid that had been the
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  Speaker 2: best at every level of football was, that he had
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  Speaker 2: played in, who won the Heisman Trophy, who could throw
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  Speaker 2: the ball over the mountain. I thought it was totally
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  Speaker 2: reasonable to be like, yeah, that's the guy I want.
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  Speaker 2: And I think the debate, I don't know if you
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  Speaker 2: agree or not, but I think it's long from settled
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  Speaker 2: on who the best quarterback in that class is. Jaden
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  Speaker 2: came out and lapped the field in year one. I
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  Speaker 2: would argue the best rookie quarterback season I'd ever seen
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  Speaker 2: when you factor in what he was asked to do,
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  Speaker 2: third downs, fourth downs, and then nine wins in one
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  Speaker 2: score games going all the way to the NFC championship game,
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  Speaker 2: the clutchness, all that stuff. Like he was amazing, but
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  Speaker 2: 10 years from now, I'm not convinced he's going to
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  Speaker 2: be the best quarterback in that class. I don't think
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  Speaker 2: that discussion's over yet. I mean, Baker Mayfield and Sam
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  Speaker 2: Donald are good now, dude. I don't know.
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  Speaker 1: Daniel Jones appears to be good now. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. And I will say this for bears fans. The
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  Speaker 2: one thing we have in the quarterback arc of pain
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  Speaker 2: is that we've just never had anyone good. like no
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  Speaker 2: one's left Chicago and then become good. We've just like
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  Speaker 2: never had hope ever. Whereas Jets fans got to be
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  Speaker 2: like Darnold and Gino and like Cleveland fans. That's a
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  Speaker 2: good boy. We had Baker, like no, like Mitch Trubisky
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  Speaker 2: didn't go to Buffalo and like make it a debate
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  Speaker 2: with Josh Allen. You know what I mean? Like Justin
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  Speaker 2: Fields is still Justin Fields taking the same terrible sacks
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  Speaker 2: that he took in Chicago. So like, I don't know
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  Speaker 2: if that makes it better or worse because we've just
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  Speaker 2: never been close to having the guy.
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  Speaker 1: So the one thing I've always thought about Justin Fields
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  Speaker 1: with Chicago that I think had to be torturous for
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  Speaker 1: Bears fans. And I make this point here a lot
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  Speaker 1: that you have to appreciate the fact that Chicago's one
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  Speaker 1: Chicago home.
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  Speaker 2: Team is the entire Big Ten team.
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  Speaker 1: And so that means that you have a city full
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  Speaker 1: of people that Justin Fields ate their asses up for
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  Speaker 1: two years. And so you're like, hell yeah, give us
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  Speaker 1: that guy.
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  Speaker 2: They were all on board with it. And then it's like, sigh.
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  Speaker 1: And he seems to be, I would say, a serviceable
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  Speaker 1: NFL quarterback.
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  Speaker 2: He is in full-on journeyman status.
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  Speaker 1: And again, maybe he gets good because it is not
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  Speaker 1: really as though he has left and wound up in
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  Speaker 1: the best places for quarterbacks.
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  Speaker 2: Since he got out of Chicago.
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  Speaker 3: Right.
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  Speaker 1: With Williams, I feel like you have the right attitude, sir.
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  Speaker 1: There's no reason to be impatient about this. This is
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  Speaker 1: what you got at least through next year in all likelihood. Like,
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  Speaker 1: I don't think that they're in a place where next
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  Speaker 1: year that they'll make a move like what the Colts did,
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  Speaker 1: where they brought somebody in to take the job away.
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  Speaker 2: From Anthony Richardson I.
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  Speaker 1: Don't think that's gonna happen you might as well just
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  Speaker 1: buckle up for this because how good he is right
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  Speaker 1: now actually doesn't matter we've seen guys be decent in
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  Speaker 1: years one and two and then three or four it
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  Speaker 1: doesn't go case in point Baker Mayfield like everybody on
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  Speaker 1: the oh man the the Browns gave up on Baker
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  Speaker 1: Mayfield all of us gave up on Baker Mayfield what
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  Speaker 1: are you talking about he went to two other places
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  Speaker 1: that were like no I'm good they got an actual
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  Speaker 1: goddamn genius down there in Los Angeles and he was
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  Speaker 1: like hey man appreciate what you did for us though
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  Speaker 1: But we're going to go get Matthew Stafford.
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  Speaker 2: Right. I mean, Baker got four full years in Cleveland.
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  Speaker 2: Like four full years. Now he won a playoff game
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  Speaker 2: and obviously it's aged poorly for them, but he got
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  Speaker 2: plenty of opportunities. And listen, we've watched enough football together.
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  Speaker 2: You're like, I watch it all. I watch it all.
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  Speaker 2: And I'm not saying that like, some sort of genius
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  Speaker 2: gifted eye scout talent or whatever, but like, I do
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  Speaker 2: trust my eye test. Caleb Williams is awesome. Like the
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  Speaker 2: physical tools of Caleb Williams in there somewhere is an
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  Speaker 2: elite quarterback. And that's why they hired Ben Johnson and
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  Speaker 2: gave him 10 million plus per year to get it
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  Speaker 2: out of him. I don't know if he will, but
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  Speaker 2: like that, what I always say is, The most impressive
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  Speaker 2: quarterback season I've ever seen was 2011 Aaron Rodgers. Aaron
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  Speaker 2: Rodgers that year was 45 touchdowns, six interceptions, completed 68%
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  Speaker 2: of his passes, but also led the NFL in yards
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  Speaker 2: per attempt. Like he was not just checking it down
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  Speaker 2: for his complete. He was big game hunting and not
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  Speaker 2: turning the ball over. It was unbelievable. You could say
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  Speaker 2: Mahomes is 5,000 yard, 50 touchdown season, but like To me,
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  Speaker 2: that type of player that doesn't turn the ball over,
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  Speaker 2: that has a rocket for an arm, that has plus
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  Speaker 2: athleticism and mobility, and is not just looking to goose
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  Speaker 2: his completion percentage with little checkdowns, but is willing to
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  Speaker 2: throw second and third level throws, to me, that's the
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  Speaker 2: highest ceiling of quarterback play that you can get. It's Mahomes,
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  Speaker 2: it's Allen, it's what I think Herbert is. And it's
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  Speaker 2: what Rodgers was. And Rodgers is Caleb's favorite player ever.
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  Speaker 2: It's who he emulates his game after. So, like, I'm
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  Speaker 2: seeing this one through to the end.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I want to say I got something wrong. The
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  Speaker 1: Rams had brought Baker in that year because I think
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  Speaker 1: Stafford had gotten hurt and they needed a stopgap.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, that was the year he played on, like, 72
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  Speaker 2: hours notice or something. Yes, yes. In McVay's system when
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  Speaker 2: he played in that game.
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  Speaker 1: So, my bad. It was the Carolina Panthers. Now, Grant,
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  Speaker 1: I don't know who could have been. They were cheeks
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  Speaker 1: that year. My goodness, they were so bad. But the
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  Speaker 1: arc goes. And if I were you, what's the alternative?
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  Speaker 1: Like if you're watching college football right now, who's the
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  Speaker 1: guy that you're seeing where you're like, oh, okay, cool,
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  Speaker 1: we could do that. Like we found out as much
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  Speaker 1: as people bugged out when the Falcons took Michael Penix
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  Speaker 1: last year, the point was there's nobody in this draft
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  Speaker 1: and it.
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  Speaker 2: Doesn't look like there's anybody in next year's draft. That's
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  Speaker 2: going to be there. We're in a weird quarterback place.
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  Speaker 1: I've talked about this before where there was this giant
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  Speaker 1: gap between really.
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  Speaker 2: Like 2005 and.
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  Speaker 1: I'm not even sure exactly when we'd say it would,
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  Speaker 1: it really rounds out. Maybe you get into like 16,
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  Speaker 1: 18 or whatever, where this country just didn't produce a
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  Speaker 1: lot of quarterbacks. Like you had really good old quarterbacks
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  Speaker 1: and you had really good young quarterbacks, but really not
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  Speaker 1: that much in between. So like my homes and Baker
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  Speaker 1: Mayfield are both 30 years old at this point, guys
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  Speaker 1: older than them that are good.
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  Speaker 2: The list ain't long, man. Like, it's not there.
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  Speaker 1: And now it's looking like we're looking at who's coming
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  Speaker 1: up from these lower levels.
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  Speaker 2: Where's the guy? Right. Listen, I think Caleb's class is
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  Speaker 2: really good. Yeah, it's an interesting, like, guys older than Mahomes. Dak, like,
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  Speaker 2: I don't know where you are on Dak, but I
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  Speaker 2: think Dak is playing at a very high level. I
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  Speaker 2: think he's playing at a very high level right now.
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  Speaker 2: And then, yeah, you get to guys that are much older,
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  Speaker 2: like Stafford and all of that. So, yeah, it's hard.
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  Speaker 2: But I will also just say, and I don't know
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  Speaker 2: where you're at on this, like, I have no doubt
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  Speaker 2: that Caleb Williams is good. Like, I think Bust is
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  Speaker 2: off the table with Caleb. Ooh, I do not. I
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  Speaker 2: do not. Man, last year, they fired his play caller
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  Speaker 2: nine games in. They did. They did. The Bears had
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  Speaker 2: never in the history of their franchise fired a head
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  Speaker 2: coach in season. And then they fired Matt Eberflus in season.
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  Speaker 1: He.
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  Speaker 2: They lost to the Lions on Thanksgiving because Eberflus forgot
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  Speaker 2: that he was allowed to call timeouts. They lost one
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  Speaker 2: of those games to the Packers because a field goal
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  Speaker 2: was blocked when the Packers like cheated the pass rush
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  Speaker 2: and the league just didn't call it. And afterwards, they're like,
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  Speaker 2: my bad, probably should have called it. Lost a game
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  Speaker 2: in overtime to the Vikings where he had 340 yards
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  Speaker 2: and two touchdowns and scored 27 points. They just happened
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  Speaker 2: to lose like he's not bad. He's not bad. And
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  Speaker 2: I think he's been getting better over the course of
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  Speaker 2: this year. There will be rough moments because it's the
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  Speaker 2: Bears and that's inevitable. But Caleb is going to be fine. Now,
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  Speaker 2: he might end up being... It might end up being
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  Speaker 2: like a Kyler Murray, Trevor Lawrence situation. Like where the
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  Speaker 2: Bears give him a second contract because the talent is
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  Speaker 2: too tantalizing and then he never ultimately realizes the potential.
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  Speaker 2: But moving on in a year... like after next year
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  Speaker 2: from Caleb and not giving him a second deal, I'll
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  Speaker 2: be floored. I will be absolutely floored if that happens.
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  Speaker 1: Holds the ball too long, and that's a me thing, right?
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  Speaker 1: Like guys who hold the ball, that's the Justin Fields thing.
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  Speaker 1: Holds the ball a little too long. When the Steelers
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  Speaker 1: had Justin Fields and Russell Wilson on the same team,
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  Speaker 1: I was like, ooh, boy, you're going to hold the
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  Speaker 1: ball too long in every play.
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  Speaker 2: Now, you know who else holds the ball too long?
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  Speaker 2: Josh Allen. The problem is... Nobody can tackle that big balloon.
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  Speaker 2: That's right.
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  Speaker 1: He is the only, dude, he holds it too long.
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  Speaker 1: He'll give you, he's in the Stafford Carlson Palmer. I'm
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  Speaker 1: going to give you one or two chances to pick
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  Speaker 1: this off.
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  Speaker 2: Except nobody ever does. Yeah, that's my thing on Jordan Love.
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  Speaker 2: I'm like convinced that Jordan Love should lead the league
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  Speaker 2: in interceptions. It's like a horseshoe up his ass every
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  Speaker 2: time they just drop these picks. No, listen, Caleb last
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  Speaker 2: year took 68 sacks. That's impossible.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: And the the next gen stat that I did not know,
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  Speaker 2: even though I watched every snap of that season and
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  Speaker 2: it like it felt this way, but I just had
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  Speaker 2: never dug into the numbers. But they showed it on
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  Speaker 2: the first or second game this year on one of
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  Speaker 2: the broadcasts. Twenty seven of those sacks took more than
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  Speaker 2: five seconds. Yeah. I bet you Peyton Manning didn't take
• 16:31
  Speaker 2: 27 five plus second sacks in his entire career. His life.
• 16:37
  Speaker 2: That is an impossibility in one football season. But again,
• 16:40
  Speaker 2: like that's why Ben Johnson is here to get that
• 16:43
  Speaker 2: out of him.
• 16:44
  Speaker 1: And I will say a significant improvement in a way.
• 16:48
  Speaker 1: Sacks are a quarterback stat, right? Like I'm a firm
• 16:51
  Speaker 1: believer in that. 68 and 17 games last year and
• 16:55
  Speaker 1: four games.
• 16:55
  Speaker 2: It's been seven.
• 16:57
  Speaker 1: Yeah that's that's still a few more than you would
• 16:59
  Speaker 1: prefer but that's a lot.
• 17:03
  Speaker 2: Better than what we were talking about oh yeah and
• 17:05
  Speaker 2: like plenty of guys I mean now with how much
• 17:08
  Speaker 2: you're dropping back to pass like you know listen I
• 17:11
  Speaker 2: said before the year get below 50 and I would
• 17:15
  Speaker 2: be and you're like for year two in terms of
• 17:17
  Speaker 2: improvement like at least then you're more in the like
• 17:21
  Speaker 2: Joe Burrow like just be the the fifth most sacked
• 17:25
  Speaker 2: quarterback in the NFL. Right. Just don't be, don't be
• 17:29
  Speaker 2: two standard deviations beyond the second place guy from, from
• 17:34
  Speaker 2: most sacks. And I think he's trending in that direction. Now,
• 17:37
  Speaker 2: another one of these games, what it could have been.
• 17:40
  Speaker 1: I didn't realize that the chargers are playing against the
• 17:42
  Speaker 1: dolphins and this could be the end for somebody.
• 17:47
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 17:47
  Speaker 1: So apparently Tua is not healthy and he, I have
• 17:51
  Speaker 1: a certain respect for that young man that stops me
• 17:54
  Speaker 1: from saying, oh, so now you're feeling a little bit
• 17:57
  Speaker 1: hurt when the Justin Herbert game is coming up. Hey,
• 18:01
  Speaker 1: I don't think he that kind of guy.
• 18:02
  Speaker 2: Right. Like, I don't think he got that in him.
• 18:04
  Speaker 1: But there's some people that I would ask that question
• 18:06
  Speaker 1: about under these circumstances, because, I mean, for those of
• 18:11
  Speaker 1: you who don't know, Parkins is a bit of a
• 18:15
  Speaker 1: Justin Herbert apologist.
• 18:18
  Speaker 2: Yeah. That's the appropriate term to use. Badge of honor.
• 18:24
  Speaker 1: But the Dolphins definitely wish they had taken him over
• 18:28
  Speaker 1: to it. That's a no-brainer situation. That was what was
• 18:33
  Speaker 1: so crazy about when the Browns took Dylan Gabriel in
• 18:36
  Speaker 1: the third round. I thought that after Tua, the league
• 18:39
  Speaker 1: was out on these small-arm quarterbacks. I thought that we
• 18:41
  Speaker 1: had understood. I personally can't imagine my ass being on
• 18:46
  Speaker 1: the line for a pick, and I'm going to get
• 18:47
  Speaker 1: a dude that don't throw hard.
• 18:50
  Speaker 2: Exactly. Now, like, I guess people are like Brock Purdy,
• 18:54
  Speaker 2: just like, can you be a processing post-snap analysis? Smart guy.
• 19:00
  Speaker 2: I want the guy who can throw it over the mountain. Right. I, I,
• 19:05
  Speaker 2: and I, yes, Herbert Stan apologist. I like Matt Stafford.
• 19:11
  Speaker 2: I like big armed quarterbacks, man, because they can make
• 19:14
  Speaker 2: every throw on the field. And I, Again, it's an
• 19:18
  Speaker 2: eye test thing. And by the way, the NFL GMs
• 19:21
  Speaker 2: seem to agree with me. Like those anonymous polls that
• 19:24
  Speaker 2: like the athletic and ESPN puts out before the year scouts, GMs,
• 19:28
  Speaker 2: coaches rank the quarterbacks. Herbert is ahead of Jalen hurts
• 19:33
  Speaker 2: on all of them. He's light years ahead of two
• 19:35
  Speaker 2: on all of them. He was like seventh, sixth, ninth.
• 19:39
  Speaker 2: Like he's, He hasn't won like that. He hasn't produced
• 19:42
  Speaker 2: like that. But if you were starting a team tomorrow,
• 19:45
  Speaker 2: and I know this is like Kevin Wilds on First
• 19:47
  Speaker 2: Things First. He hates these arguments, but he's not here.
• 19:50
  Speaker 2: so let's do it like if you were starting a
• 19:52
  Speaker 2: team tomorrow first pick Mahomes second pick Allen third pick
• 19:59
  Speaker 2: Lamar with the fourth pick in the draft Bomani Jones
• 20:03
  Speaker 2: selects Oh, boy, that's a tough question. I mean, it's
• 20:07
  Speaker 2: on the board that it's Herbert over Burrow. It is.
• 20:12
  Speaker 1: My Burrow point always is, and this is not his fault,
• 20:16
  Speaker 1: but I've never seen him play without some form of
• 20:20
  Speaker 1: the Avengers alongside of him.
• 20:22
  Speaker 2: That is the only one.
• 20:25
  Speaker 1: The thing with Burrow obviously is I've never seen him
• 20:28
  Speaker 1: blow a 70-point lead in a playoff game to the
• 20:31
  Speaker 1: Jacksonville Jaguars.
• 20:32
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that was bad. That was a toughie. That was
• 20:36
  Speaker 2: a tough one. That was bad.
• 20:38
  Speaker 1: Whether you take Jaden Daniels over him, I still have
• 20:42
  Speaker 1: a twinge.
• 20:45
  Speaker 2: Just a little, yeah. You know what I mean? Just
• 20:48
  Speaker 2: a touch of, yeah. Right.
• 20:51
  Speaker 1: I understand why you would take Justin Herbert over the
• 20:53
  Speaker 1: leader of America's team, the Detroit Lions, who has been
• 20:57
  Speaker 1: to a Super Bowl before, came very close to another
• 20:59
  Speaker 1: Super Bowl.
• 21:02
  Speaker 2: Now, You mentioned Jordan Love. I'm a... You're a Love guy.
• 21:08
  Speaker 2: I see the vision. I see the other thing, too.
• 21:11
  Speaker 1: It is amazing, by the way, how all of us
• 21:13
  Speaker 1: can pick one of these quarterbacks who does shit like
• 21:17
  Speaker 1: that and just decide that.
• 21:19
  Speaker 2: That's ours for whatever reason.
• 21:21
  Speaker 1: Like, look, I'm with you. The guy that can throw
• 21:22
  Speaker 1: it over the mountain. I'm still holding out hope on
• 21:25
  Speaker 1: Anthony Richardson. I still think there's time for somebody to
• 21:28
  Speaker 1: figure this out.
• 21:29
  Speaker 2: There is time. He hasn't played enough. I mean, he
• 21:32
  Speaker 2: hasn't played a full season's worth of games. No. Yeah,
• 21:35
  Speaker 2: so there's definitely time on Anthony Richardson. But also, with Herbert, man,
• 21:43
  Speaker 2: he still holds the record for most touchdown passes as
• 21:46
  Speaker 2: a rookie. He does. He came in and put 31
• 21:49
  Speaker 2: on the board as a rookie. And... Shane Steichen was
• 21:53
  Speaker 2: that offensive coordinator and Shane Steichen seems to be a
• 21:55
  Speaker 2: pretty damn good coach. And it's been, you know, he's
• 21:58
  Speaker 2: had Anthony Lynn as a head coach. He's had Brandon
• 22:00
  Speaker 2: Staley as a head coach. Now he's had Harbaugh. He
• 22:02
  Speaker 2: had Joe Lombardi. He had Kellen Moore. Now he's got
• 22:05
  Speaker 2: Greg Roman. Like there's been a lot of institutional change
• 22:09
  Speaker 2: around him and not to mention the chargering stuff and
• 22:14
  Speaker 2: bad injuries around them and missed kicks and all of
• 22:16
  Speaker 2: this stuff. And this dude just, he ain't the problem.
• 22:20
  Speaker 2: I'm convinced that he isn't the problem there. And we
• 22:24
  Speaker 2: can't take a hypothetical world and put Justin Herbert in
• 22:29
  Speaker 2: Philadelphia and put Jalen Hurts in LA. But man, for
• 22:32
  Speaker 2: a week, I'd love to see it because I don't
• 22:34
  Speaker 2: think A.J. Brown and Devontae Smith would be complaining. Like,
• 22:39
  Speaker 2: I just I just at some point I have to
• 22:41
  Speaker 2: trust my eyes and be like, he's one of those dudes.
• 22:45
  Speaker 2: He and eventually he will get there. So you just
• 22:48
  Speaker 2: rate what could be a very fun game to play. Like,
• 22:51
  Speaker 2: remember when.
• 22:51
  Speaker 1: Michael Parsons stupid ass is getting on his podcast and
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: listen to top five quarterbacks.
• 22:55
  Speaker 2: It didn't list his own guy. Yeah.
• 22:56
  Speaker 1: Like I dare somebody to go to the Eagles locker
• 22:59
  Speaker 1: room and play.
• 23:00
  Speaker 2: That same game with those two dudes. Of course there's no,
• 23:04
  Speaker 2: there's no way if you injected them with truth serum
• 23:08
  Speaker 2: that they think he's a top five guy. Maybe he's
• 23:10
  Speaker 2: a top five leader. Fine. Maybe he's a top five teammate. Fine.
• 23:15
  Speaker 2: Top five runner. Fine. But I like my quarterbacks to throw.
• 23:19
  Speaker 2: I'm old fashioned. He was, he was 22nd in the
• 23:24
  Speaker 2: NFL and pass attempts last year. Uh, Hertz was like,
• 23:28
  Speaker 2: get out of here.
• 23:29
  Speaker 1: Like, Oh, Did you see they had the players only
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: meeting with A.J.
• 23:32
  Speaker 2: Brown, Saquon Barkley and Jalen Hurts? And I have to say,
• 23:36
  Speaker 2: why wasn't anybody else invited? I absolutely like Devante Smith
• 23:41
  Speaker 2: has the same amount of gripe that A.J. Brown has.
• 23:43
  Speaker 2: And by the way, grapes just as much. Yeah, absolutely.
• 23:47
  Speaker 2: Just like a little quieter about it. But frequency is
• 23:50
  Speaker 2: just as much. And he's not as good as A.J. Brown,
• 23:53
  Speaker 2: but he's damn good. Like, he also should feel like,
• 23:57
  Speaker 2: throw me the damn ball. So, yeah. Well, he also
• 24:00
  Speaker 2: had to do more to get there. Little fella, you
• 24:02
  Speaker 2: know what I mean? No question.
• 24:03
  Speaker 1: Like, do you have any clue what I had to
• 24:05
  Speaker 1: do to get here? I don't think you do. Throw
• 24:07
  Speaker 1: me the goddamn ball.
• 24:08
  Speaker 2: Throw me the goddamn ball. But, yeah, so I just,
• 24:12
  Speaker 2: to the Tua thing, like, I don't think that Tua
• 24:15
  Speaker 2: would be the type of guy to back out of
• 24:16
  Speaker 2: this game either, but also, they've both been paid. Makes
• 24:22
  Speaker 2: it easier to be like, eh, my team got it wrong,
• 24:25
  Speaker 2: but I got $ 200 million, so who cares?
• 24:28
  Speaker 1: I'm just saying, I've talked about this throughout the year,
• 24:31
  Speaker 1: that the Dolphins don't have a bye until week 12, right? Which,
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: to me, the coaches get nervous about losing their jobs
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: at a bye, right? Because, you know, you want to
• 24:43
  Speaker 1: have a little extra time to get everything going. They've
• 24:45
  Speaker 1: already gotten through their Thursday night game. That is also
• 24:48
  Speaker 1: another time that people like to fire their coaches. However,
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: if the Dolphins come out here under the circumstances that
• 24:56
  Speaker 1: I just described and get smashed at home in a
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: game where, by the way, the Chargers only three and
• 25:04
  Speaker 1: a half point favorite, right? So this isn't a game
• 25:06
  Speaker 1: that Miami should get their doors blown off. If they
• 25:08
  Speaker 1: get their doors blown off, those are the games that
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: get people fired.
• 25:13
  Speaker 2: I agree with you. In Miami, though, if I was ranking,
• 25:19
  Speaker 2: there's a big three in every organization, coach, GM, quarterback.
• 25:23
  Speaker 2: if I was ranking problems for the Dolphins, coach is third. Yeah.
• 25:28
  Speaker 2: Coach is third. Like Chris Greer has been there 20
• 25:33
  Speaker 2: plus years. Oh, wow. That's now not as the GM,
• 25:37
  Speaker 2: but I still, yeah, but I think GM for the
• 25:39
  Speaker 2: last nine.
• 25:40
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 25:41
  Speaker 2: He's, he's been a front office executive for the Dolphins
• 25:43
  Speaker 2: for literally over two decades. And he's the dude who
• 25:46
  Speaker 2: drafted to a over Herbert and McDaniel is what's an
• 25:53
  Speaker 2: indictment of him to me is that when Tua goes down,
• 25:55
  Speaker 2: no one else can run the offense. Like, whereas I
• 25:58
  Speaker 2: saw Matt LaFleur have Jordan Love go down and Malik
• 26:01
  Speaker 2: Willis come in and win a couple of games.
• 26:03
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 26:04
  Speaker 2: So like, I'm not sitting here saying that Mike McDaniel
• 26:06
  Speaker 2: is a top five, top 10 coach. I don't know
• 26:08
  Speaker 2: that that to be true. In fact, overwhelmingly likely it isn't,
• 26:12
  Speaker 2: but he also got Tua to lead the NFL in scoring. Like,
• 26:18
  Speaker 2: they have had moments of excellence offensively that I am
• 26:22
  Speaker 2: not the game. I watched a couple of weeks ago
• 26:25
  Speaker 2: of them. I forget what the exact number was, but
• 26:28
  Speaker 2: to a completed like 11 or 12 passes behind the
• 26:33
  Speaker 2: line of scrimmage. And they put up a big number offensively.
• 26:38
  Speaker 2: Like he, he's doing a lot with a guy who
• 26:41
  Speaker 2: cannot throw the ball very far. And so I, if
• 26:44
  Speaker 2: Mike McDaniel is a, run game coordinator for a team
• 26:48
  Speaker 2: next year, like that's a great hire. And I think
• 26:51
  Speaker 2: there's a legitimate argument to say, Let's fire the GM,
• 26:55
  Speaker 2: move on from the quarterback as quickly as possible, which
• 26:57
  Speaker 2: is going to be really tough given his contract for
• 26:59
  Speaker 2: next year, and let Mike McDaniel actually pick a quarterback
• 27:03
  Speaker 2: who's got a skill set more attuned with modern NFL offense.
• 27:07
  Speaker 1: But again, what quarterback is this that we're talking about here?
• 27:10
  Speaker 2: Right, for sure. Right, like this is... For sure. I'm
• 27:13
  Speaker 2: just going to... It is so wild to me that
• 27:15
  Speaker 2: with all the resources that are now.
• 27:17
  Speaker 1: People can talk about quarterbacks are terribly coached, positioned out
• 27:19
  Speaker 1: of everything else.
• 27:20
  Speaker 2: No, I think quarterback's just really hard.
• 27:22
  Speaker 1: But with all the resources that are being devoted to
• 27:24
  Speaker 1: football at this point and how early kids start in
• 27:27
  Speaker 1: doing this and their quarterback is like the new violin
• 27:29
  Speaker 1: where rich people get their kids out here, anybody else,
• 27:32
  Speaker 1: when they're three years old and go up and up
• 27:34
  Speaker 1: and you still can't make more of them. I am
• 27:38
  Speaker 1: of the belief, I'm curious what you think about this,
• 27:40
  Speaker 1: still nothing matters more than physical endowments.
• 27:42
  Speaker 2: That's part of why I hold out hope on Richardson,
• 27:46
  Speaker 2: for example. Yes, there's obviously a huge skill component to this, but.
• 27:50
  Speaker 1: I watched Josh Allen walk into this league and could
• 27:54
  Speaker 1: not hit the broad sign of four bars.
• 27:59
  Speaker 2: Now look at it. All because he that guy. If
• 28:04
  Speaker 2: you could tell me that they had any idea how
• 28:07
  Speaker 2: to scout what was between the ears of Peyton Brady
• 28:12
  Speaker 2: and breeze, then I'd listen to the argument on the
• 28:16
  Speaker 2: other side of it, but they clearly can't like, like
• 28:20
  Speaker 2: those types of quarterbacks failed just as much as the
• 28:24
  Speaker 2: crazy athletic traits. He guys, you know, physical endowments to
• 28:28
  Speaker 2: use your phrase. Like, so yeah, of course, like, Give
• 28:31
  Speaker 2: me the guy that can run away from Micah Parsons. Yes.
• 28:36
  Speaker 2: Give me the guy that I can use all the
• 28:39
  Speaker 2: routes for A.J. Brown because I can throw a 15-yard out.
• 28:44
  Speaker 2: I can throw a post. I can throw a dig.
• 28:47
  Speaker 2: Of course, because we at least can scout those things.
• 28:51
  Speaker 2: We clearly cannot scout the post-snap processing. They try to,
• 28:56
  Speaker 2: the S2 test and all that nonsense. But they're clearly
• 28:59
  Speaker 2: so far away from being able to scout that. Yeah.
• 29:02
  Speaker 2: Give me the guy that runs a 4-4-40 and can
• 29:06
  Speaker 2: throw the football 98 miles an hour.
• 29:08
  Speaker 1: Well, a great example on that. We will go back
• 29:11
  Speaker 1: and look at the 2011 draft is one of the
• 29:13
  Speaker 1: all time great draft.
• 29:14
  Speaker 2: Oh, yeah.
• 29:15
  Speaker 1: And when you go through it, I I can name
• 29:19
  Speaker 1: like off the top of my head, I can give
• 29:21
  Speaker 1: you four or five Hall of Famers.
• 29:22
  Speaker 2: Right. Von Miller, J.J. Watt.
• 29:25
  Speaker 1: Richard Sherman, Patrick Peterson, Julio Jones is probably going to
• 29:29
  Speaker 1: wind up making it. And then you have other guys
• 29:31
  Speaker 1: like Robert Quinn is in that draft. The Pouncey brothers, right?
• 29:35
  Speaker 1: It was just an incredibly loaded draft. All like even
• 29:39
  Speaker 1: some all like alton smith he could have held his
• 29:41
  Speaker 1: shit together like what he would have started into cam
• 29:43
  Speaker 1: newton Yeah, that's where we're getting to. Another one of
• 29:46
  Speaker 1: those cams. I can't remember if it was Hayward or Jordan.
• 29:48
  Speaker 1: I think it's in that draft also. But you redo
• 29:51
  Speaker 1: that draft. You still take Cam Newton, who was out
• 29:54
  Speaker 1: there running.
• 29:55
  Speaker 2: A high school offense. Yeah.
• 29:58
  Speaker 1: But when everybody shows up and that guy says he's
• 30:01
  Speaker 1: a quarterback, that's the guy we're taking.
• 30:04
  Speaker 2: In this draft. Yeah, no, you're right. Cam Newton won.
• 30:07
  Speaker 2: AJ Green, four. Yes. Patrick Peterson, five. Julio Jones, six.
• 30:11
  Speaker 2: Alden Smith, seven.
• 30:13
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 30:13
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, that's pretty, that's, it's pretty, yeah, and Cam
• 30:16
  Speaker 2: Jordan was 24th. Oh, man.
• 30:20
  Speaker 1: In the first 12 picks, the only bust were the
• 30:22
  Speaker 1: quarterbacks that people tried to pretend might have been as
• 30:25
  Speaker 1: good as Cam Newton.
• 30:26
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Jake Locker and Blaine Gabbert. Yes. Yeah, and Christian Ponder. Yeah,
• 30:30
  Speaker 2: that was. Yes, like Ryan Kerrigan just hanging out in
• 30:33
  Speaker 2: this draft, right? There's Cam Jordan. Mark Ingram. Cam, oh,
• 30:37
  Speaker 2: Cam Hayward was in this draft. Am I fat? Paul,
• 30:39
  Speaker 2: it was both.
• 30:40
  Speaker 1: Both camps all three camps yeah they're just collie kaepernick
• 30:44
  Speaker 1: and andy dalton just there at the top of the
• 30:46
  Speaker 1: second round like this was an incredible draft and cam
• 30:48
  Speaker 1: newton is not going to make the hall of fame
• 30:50
  Speaker 1: but damn it if you.
• 30:51
  Speaker 2: Redo that draft there is no question who i'm taking
• 30:53
  Speaker 2: number one and it's that guy yeah i i'm i'm
• 30:56
  Speaker 2: with you guy went 15 and won won an mvp
• 30:59
  Speaker 2: and carried carolina to a super bowl like yeah i
• 31:02
  Speaker 2: i i'll run it out there and and because again
• 31:05
  Speaker 2: like What if Cam Newton got Sean McVay? Right. Right? Like,
• 31:11
  Speaker 2: who the hell knows? Like, what if Cam Newton got
• 31:14
  Speaker 2: Kyle Shanahan? Like, it just doesn't seem fair that Brock
• 31:17
  Speaker 2: Purdy gets Kyle Shanahan.
• 31:18
  Speaker 1: Well, it's not fair because that's what Kyle wants.
• 31:22
  Speaker 2: Right. Kyle's like, give me a bum who don't talk back.
• 31:27
  Speaker 2: But then he traded up for Trey Lance. I will never...
• 31:32
  Speaker 2: He traded three first round picks like six weeks before
• 31:36
  Speaker 2: the draft to move up from 13 to three and
• 31:40
  Speaker 2: then took Trey Lance. I'll never understand it.
• 31:42
  Speaker 1: While entertaining the possibility of taking Mac Jones with the
• 31:45
  Speaker 1: number three pick. I don't think Kyle has any actual
• 31:48
  Speaker 1: idea what he's doing when it comes to quarterbacks. It makes,
• 31:51
  Speaker 1: he is all over the place. It is so crazy
• 31:55
  Speaker 1: what he does and does not do. And with Trey Lance, look,
• 31:59
  Speaker 1: He helped to break Robert Griffin. I think that he
• 32:01
  Speaker 1: is complicit in how that ultimately went. And it looked
• 32:04
  Speaker 1: like he helped to break Trey Lance because we saw
• 32:07
  Speaker 1: Trey Lance with just a dollop of hardball on him
• 32:09
  Speaker 1: and was like, hey, man.
• 32:11
  Speaker 2: That one I think is lurking in a Darnold-y sort
• 32:14
  Speaker 2: of way. I mean, Trey Lance played like four games
• 32:19
  Speaker 2: for San Francisco. And then they're like, yeah, he's not
• 32:21
  Speaker 2: the guy. We're going to ride it out with Mr. Irrelevant.
• 32:24
  Speaker 2: I was like, really?
• 32:25
  Speaker 1: Well, the other thing, too, Kyle did with Robert and
• 32:28
  Speaker 1: Kyle did with him is a quarterback who can run
• 32:31
  Speaker 1: is not a running back.
• 32:33
  Speaker 2: Right. Like you can't be out here running. He's out
• 32:35
  Speaker 2: here running power. Yeah. Not with Trey Lance. What are
• 32:38
  Speaker 2: you doing? No, the, the, the, the, You want that
• 32:41
  Speaker 2: to be your slider, right? You work off your fastball, right?
• 32:47
  Speaker 2: Caleb runs around, but he's not a running quarterback, right?
• 32:51
  Speaker 2: Like Rodgers and Mahomes, they can run around, but they're
• 32:55
  Speaker 2: not running quarterback. Now, Josh Allen, to your point, he's
• 32:58
  Speaker 2: a polar bear. So you can run power with him,
• 33:01
  Speaker 2: and I'm not going to be that upset.
• 33:02
  Speaker 1: But he had never run– I've said this on this show,
• 33:04
  Speaker 1: so I don't know if you remember when people used
• 33:07
  Speaker 1: to say that I called him Jaheim Allen. And the
• 33:09
  Speaker 1: truth is, I did not call him Jaheim. But I noticed,
• 33:12
  Speaker 1: I always said that if his name was Jaheim, he'd
• 33:15
  Speaker 1: have been used much differently before he got. And you
• 33:17
  Speaker 1: look at it now, it still looked like he had
• 33:19
  Speaker 1: never run with a football before he got to the NFL.
• 33:21
  Speaker 1: But they started putting them Jaheim plays in there. And
• 33:24
  Speaker 1: that's when it started making sense. Those first two years,
• 33:27
  Speaker 1: they weren't really doing that. Once they started putting them
• 33:28
  Speaker 1: on the move. And there's no way that no big
• 33:31
  Speaker 1: old black galoop would have ever come out here and
• 33:34
  Speaker 1: not been running the ball like that. It just took
• 33:36
  Speaker 1: them forever to do the math on it. Then Kyle
• 33:39
  Speaker 1: looks at Trey Lance and was like, no, no, no,
• 33:41
  Speaker 1: we're not going to run around.
• 33:42
  Speaker 2: We're going to run, get your nose in there, son. What? Yeah. Yeah.
• 33:48
  Speaker 2: Do you think when they made that trade that they
• 33:50
  Speaker 2: knew who they were taking? Because like, because if you
• 33:55
  Speaker 2: go back and look at it, it's also one of
• 33:56
  Speaker 2: the earliest trades ever. Like in terms of, I think
• 33:59
  Speaker 2: it might be the earliest, like in terms of like
• 34:02
  Speaker 2: all the, so I think they didn't know. And then
• 34:05
  Speaker 2: they're like, we're just taking a quarterback and we're going
• 34:08
  Speaker 2: to move up and we're going to scout. And they
• 34:09
  Speaker 2: took the kid from the FCS and then didn't give
• 34:12
  Speaker 2: him any time. It's the damnedest thing. Who didn't play
• 34:14
  Speaker 2: any games that year. Right.
• 34:16
  Speaker 1: Because that's the weird– that's the– The 2021 draft is
• 34:19
  Speaker 1: always going to be a weird one because it is
• 34:21
  Speaker 1: that one off of COVID. Where all these guys like
• 34:23
  Speaker 1: Rashawn Slater and Micah Parsons, who did not play that year,
• 34:27
  Speaker 1: walked in and it was all good. All those quarterbacks
• 34:30
  Speaker 1: who did play that year, none of them have gone
• 34:33
  Speaker 1: as well as we expected. Trevor Lawrence, Zach Wilson, Justin Fields,
• 34:38
  Speaker 1: Trey Lance. It's a weird job. Also, Jamar Chase did
• 34:43
  Speaker 1: not play that year and then kicked in the door
• 34:46
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  Speaker 1: All right, we are back on the right time with
• 37:15
  Speaker 1: Danny Parkins, who is showing us what your dollar can
• 37:18
  Speaker 1: do in Westchester County. Boy, I hadn't been to Danny's
• 37:21
  Speaker 1: house yet. Danny hadn't been to my house yet. I
• 37:23
  Speaker 1: logged on to that space. I was like, is that
• 37:25
  Speaker 1: the Heisman Trophy?
• 37:27
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that was something my grandfather gave me way back
• 37:28
  Speaker 2: in the day. Your grandfather won the Heisman? He did not,
• 37:32
  Speaker 2: but he's a collector of sorts. Yeah, here's the thing
• 37:36
  Speaker 2: about my– and I haven't seen your place. I'm sure
• 37:38
  Speaker 2: it's lovely. I will confirm my place is lovely. I
• 37:41
  Speaker 2: am renting. I cannot afford to own my house, but
• 37:45
  Speaker 2: I can afford to live in my house. And when
• 37:48
  Speaker 2: I moved my wife and young family across the country
• 37:50
  Speaker 2: out of our dream home in Chicago, I wasn't about
• 37:54
  Speaker 2: to downsize. And so I'm living above my means here, Bo.
• 37:58
  Speaker 2: This TV thing better work out. You love what you
• 38:02
  Speaker 2: get here. You learn like, oh man, you got to
• 38:05
  Speaker 2: really be invested in this. Dude. Why, why is the
• 38:07
  Speaker 2: guacamole so much more expensive? Like it is outrageous.
• 38:12
  Speaker 1: Let me tell you where they getting in our pockets
• 38:14
  Speaker 1: on things that they're just like, since they hear they
• 38:18
  Speaker 1: going to pay for it.
• 38:20
  Speaker 2: Salads.
• 38:21
  Speaker 1: Dude, have you looked at the prices of salads on
• 38:24
  Speaker 1: a menu at a sit-down restaurant? And guys, I'm not,
• 38:27
  Speaker 1: I feel like you guys who are listening to this
• 38:29
  Speaker 1: are relating to me. I have this difficult thing, Danny,
• 38:32
  Speaker 1: where I like to talk about my life here, but
• 38:34
  Speaker 1: I have to be honest in the ways that my
• 38:36
  Speaker 1: life is not necessarily like other people's lives. And some
• 38:39
  Speaker 1: of they broke asses be getting mad about that. But
• 38:41
  Speaker 1: I'm really just trying to make sure that, but if
• 38:44
  Speaker 1: I act like it ain't like that, they gonna get
• 38:46
  Speaker 1: mad too and tell me that I lost touch or whatever, right?
• 38:48
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you're in a tough spot, but you've also been
• 38:51
  Speaker 2: doing this at a high level for a long time
• 38:53
  Speaker 2: and have no kids. Yeah, you get it, right?
• 38:55
  Speaker 1: But I'm just saying, just a restaurant where you might
• 39:00
  Speaker 1: take somebody, right? Where you would put on some nice clothes, perhaps,
• 39:04
  Speaker 1: and take somebody to go to this restaurant. They are
• 39:07
  Speaker 1: operating on the assumption, now that you're here, you're just
• 39:10
  Speaker 1: going to pay for it, right?
• 39:12
  Speaker 2: Like you're not going to get up and leave. It's
• 39:15
  Speaker 2: $ 15 for salads and it ain't got no meat in it.
• 39:19
  Speaker 2: It just got roughage. Bo, go to like Sweetgreen or
• 39:26
  Speaker 2: just salad. Get a salad to go. Like you don't
• 39:29
  Speaker 2: have to be. at a steakhouse where you dress nice
• 39:32
  Speaker 2: if i get a chicken caesar salad and yeah that
• 39:34
  Speaker 2: has meat in it fine but if i whatever get
• 39:37
  Speaker 2: your kale salad from just salad it's 13 49 plus.
• 39:41
  Speaker 1: Tax yo that's what i'm saying i didn't even talk
• 39:44
  Speaker 1: about going to the steakhouse right Like every time I
• 39:48
  Speaker 1: look at a salad price now, my question is the same.
• 39:50
  Speaker 2: Can this be shared?
• 39:52
  Speaker 1: Because there's no way in hell I'm eating $ 15 worth
• 39:54
  Speaker 1: of salad by myself.
• 39:56
  Speaker 2: It's an outrage. It's an outrage. It's nuts. It is
• 40:01
  Speaker 2: at every turn.
• 40:02
  Speaker 1: Now, I understand nobody wants to be honest about this,
• 40:05
  Speaker 1: but the truth is lettuce don't pick itself, right?
• 40:08
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I was going to say, I don't think we
• 40:10
  Speaker 2: want to get into that. That's part of it, right?
• 40:13
  Speaker 2: That's a....
• 40:15
  Speaker 1: Part of the discussion but they just trying to beat
• 40:17
  Speaker 1: us over the head for everything speaking of beating people
• 40:20
  Speaker 1: over the head it wasn't so much a head beating
• 40:22
  Speaker 1: that took place but we had this situation with the
• 40:25
  Speaker 1: arizona cardinals in the game that they gave away to
• 40:29
  Speaker 1: the worst team on earth just totally gave away to
• 40:32
  Speaker 1: the worst team on earth yeah um and i forget
• 40:35
  Speaker 1: buddy's name his name is not that important.
• 40:38
  Speaker 2: The running back yes emari de mercado That's how I
• 40:43
  Speaker 2: know you do TV shows and rundowns and notes packets.
• 40:46
  Speaker 2: Five days a week, buddy.
• 40:49
  Speaker 1: So he is running down the field. I'm sure most
• 40:52
  Speaker 1: of you have seen it, but if you haven't. basically
• 40:54
  Speaker 1: gets to the goal line and he does the thing
• 40:56
  Speaker 1: where he drops the ball but it's a little short
• 40:59
  Speaker 1: of the goal line though i agree with dominique i
• 41:01
  Speaker 1: think he scored the touchdown i like i i believe
• 41:04
  Speaker 1: that the i believe in the neighborhood play you know
• 41:06
  Speaker 1: what i'm saying like i think they're going to replay
• 41:08
  Speaker 1: on something like that is really petty and messy there
• 41:12
  Speaker 1: was no need to do that but anyway they said
• 41:14
  Speaker 1: he dropped the ball before he scored the touchdown he
• 41:16
  Speaker 1: comes over to the sideline and we had seen the
• 41:19
  Speaker 1: video and jonathan gannon the coach of the cardinals He
• 41:22
  Speaker 1: got off in his ass about it, right? Which, understandable
• 41:26
  Speaker 1: under the circumstances. And then the next day, Gannon came
• 41:30
  Speaker 1: out in public and apologized. And look, I did think
• 41:33
  Speaker 1: he was doing the most, but I didn't really think
• 41:35
  Speaker 1: that he necessarily needed to apologize. Then he got fined
• 41:38
  Speaker 1: $ 100, 000 and I was like, whoa. And then I saw
• 41:43
  Speaker 1: he was putting his hands.
• 41:45
  Speaker 2: On that dude. I will be shocked if he's the
• 41:49
  Speaker 2: coach next year. Oh, wow.
• 41:52
  Speaker 1: Hey man, that's how you lose a team right there.
• 41:58
  Speaker 1: And it sounds like it took him a long time.
• 42:01
  Speaker 2: To realize that he had done it.
• 42:04
  Speaker 1: Now, I guess a lot of this probably hinges on
• 42:07
  Speaker 1: whatever his patterns of behavior had been going into this
• 42:11
  Speaker 1: or whatever, but for- People bigger than him to look
• 42:17
  Speaker 1: at that and say that that was a $ 100, 000 fine.
• 42:23
  Speaker 2: He broke a lot of rules. Like the unwritten rules,
• 42:28
  Speaker 2: shall we say, in that case.
• 42:30
  Speaker 1: And I was floored when I saw how much he
• 42:32
  Speaker 1: got fined because I didn't think that anybody would ever
• 42:34
  Speaker 1: take up for a player in that way under those circumstances.
• 42:37
  Speaker 2: Yeah, okay. So I was floored at how much he
• 42:40
  Speaker 2: got fined also.
• 42:41
  Speaker 1: Then....
• 42:45
  Speaker 2: It was fined by the team. Yeah. Like, which I
• 42:48
  Speaker 2: thought was the most interesting part of it because like,
• 42:51
  Speaker 2: I didn't see anyone outraged by what, what Jonathan Gannon did.
• 42:56
  Speaker 2: I didn't like, and now maybe internally the players were
• 42:59
  Speaker 2: furious about it. Obviously that's possible. But I didn't see
• 43:03
  Speaker 2: media uproar. The Players Union didn't file a grievance, at
• 43:07
  Speaker 2: least according to reports. There wasn't a viral take from
• 43:11
  Speaker 2: someone at FS1 or ESPN that got a ton of traction,
• 43:15
  Speaker 2: and then the quote-unquote outrage mob came after it. It
• 43:19
  Speaker 2: just seemed like it was the owner of the Cardinals
• 43:22
  Speaker 2: thought it was conduct unbecoming and fined him, which is admirable, but...
• 43:29
  Speaker 2: this is professional sports. Like I would have been calling
• 43:32
  Speaker 2: for him to be fired if it was high school
• 43:34
  Speaker 2: or even college, but I wasn't that outraged by it.
• 43:38
  Speaker 2: And I don't know if that's a bad look for me,
• 43:40
  Speaker 2: but what DeMarcado did was really dumb. Gannon clearly lost
• 43:45
  Speaker 2: his mind. You shouldn't do that. And he apologized for it.
• 43:49
  Speaker 2: According to the report, he apologized in front of the team. Like,
• 43:52
  Speaker 2: so I don't, I don't think it's a fireable offense.
• 43:56
  Speaker 2: And because it didn't seem like he lost the locker room,
• 44:00
  Speaker 2: there weren't like players coming out. It didn't become a
• 44:02
  Speaker 2: big thing on the sideline or anything like that. I
• 44:05
  Speaker 2: feel like football players kind of expect it from football coaches.
• 44:09
  Speaker 2: They shouldn't, but I feel like it's just kind of
• 44:11
  Speaker 2: part of the game. I think it's going to be
• 44:13
  Speaker 2: a non-story in two weeks.
• 44:15
  Speaker 1: So it's interesting I hear you say that because the
• 44:18
  Speaker 1: point that this is professional football is also the point.
• 44:21
  Speaker 2: That I would make.
• 44:22
  Speaker 1: But I take that in a different direction because the
• 44:26
  Speaker 1: pros or former pros that I talked to firmly believe
• 44:30
  Speaker 1: that this was well beyond the pale, right?
• 44:34
  Speaker 2: The, the video that came out of Gannon with this,
• 44:36
  Speaker 2: this instance, I mean, pros want to be treated with a,
• 44:39
  Speaker 2: an arrow. Like the point they always make.
• 44:42
  Speaker 1: I call my college coach coach and I call my
• 44:44
  Speaker 1: NFL coach Steve, right?
• 44:46
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Like this is, this is different.
• 44:48
  Speaker 1: So to me, I don't know how much you know
• 44:51
  Speaker 1: about Michael Bidwell, the owner of the Arizona Cardinals, but
• 44:54
  Speaker 1: that is not a champion of labor. Right.
• 44:56
  Speaker 2: Right. Yeah.
• 44:57
  Speaker 1: That is not a that is the fact that they
• 44:59
  Speaker 1: did all of that. I don't think based on what
• 45:02
  Speaker 1: we saw, because at first I kind of thought similarly
• 45:05
  Speaker 1: to the way that you did, that that didn't look
• 45:07
  Speaker 1: that crazy. And I didn't see everybody else reacting in
• 45:09
  Speaker 1: that way.
• 45:09
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 45:09
  Speaker 1: But I don't think that Mike Bidwell himself woke up
• 45:12
  Speaker 1: and was like, that's the kind of behavior that I
• 45:14
  Speaker 1: will not tolerate as the owner. of the Arizona Cardinals.
• 45:17
  Speaker 1: And we're going to nip this in the bud. Somebody
• 45:19
  Speaker 1: somewhere in this process made it clear that something had
• 45:24
  Speaker 1: to be done. That's why I look at this and
• 45:27
  Speaker 1: I raise a real question about how long this is
• 45:29
  Speaker 1: going to go. Cause like, I think he's a good coach,
• 45:32
  Speaker 1: but they like, they.
• 45:32
  Speaker 2: Won nothing with him.
• 45:36
  Speaker 1: And it's hard for me to believe that nothing had
• 45:42
  Speaker 1: ever happened in a similar vein like that made you
• 45:46
  Speaker 1: lose it that much.
• 45:48
  Speaker 2: Yeah that well so my my read on that and
• 45:51
  Speaker 2: again I'm just hypothesizing here was the week before Adonai
• 45:57
  Speaker 2: Mitchell on the Colts did the exact did the exact
• 46:02
  Speaker 2: same thing and we've all talked to enough players and
• 46:05
  Speaker 2: coaches like when they do the film study, they're not
• 46:08
  Speaker 2: just looking at their tape and the tape of the opponents.
• 46:11
  Speaker 2: They'll put something up on the board and be like,
• 46:13
  Speaker 2: this situation happened in the dolphins chargers game. Don't let
• 46:18
  Speaker 2: that happen here.
• 46:20
  Speaker 1: Right?
• 46:20
  Speaker 2: So my read on why he went as ballistic as
• 46:23
  Speaker 2: he did, they talked about it first. They talked about
• 46:26
  Speaker 2: it that Wednesday, because it's crazy that it keeps happening.
• 46:33
  Speaker 2: And so again, it is not, I am not excusing
• 46:36
  Speaker 2: what Jonathan Gannon did at all. It was clearly over
• 46:39
  Speaker 2: the line. I am just surprised that it led to
• 46:43
  Speaker 2: that level of punishment because I think DiMarcato would tell
• 46:47
  Speaker 2: you what he did was... unacceptable yeah like and by
• 46:52
  Speaker 2: the way i had arizona in a survivor pool i
• 46:55
  Speaker 2: thought it was a touchdown also so i'm rooting for
• 46:58
  Speaker 2: that play to be a touchdown but my like just
• 47:01
  Speaker 2: don't try don't drop the ball before you cross the.
• 47:03
  Speaker 1: Goal yeah and say that's why i think something happened
• 47:05
  Speaker 1: there that that's fair was that there was some groundswell
• 47:08
  Speaker 1: but i would like to make this point i have
• 47:11
  Speaker 1: a bit of a i don't even know if it's
• 47:12
  Speaker 1: a hot take but when I see those guys drop
• 47:16
  Speaker 1: the ball before they get to the goal line, I
• 47:18
  Speaker 1: remember famously Deshaun Jackson did it once, um, at, uh,
• 47:22
  Speaker 1: I think it was at Texas stadium. I think it
• 47:23
  Speaker 1: was at the old house, but, um, famously did that.
• 47:28
  Speaker 1: And my response when I see that is that's what
• 47:31
  Speaker 1: you get.
• 47:31
  Speaker 2: And you're like, what do you mean? That's what you get.
• 47:33
  Speaker 2: This is what I mean.
• 47:35
  Speaker 1: When I was a kid That's when cats was first
• 47:38
  Speaker 1: getting out here for the NFL said it was okay.
• 47:40
  Speaker 1: And they was out here dancing and doing, you know,
• 47:43
  Speaker 1: spiking the ball hard and everything else. Right.
• 47:46
  Speaker 2: And everybody was talking about poor sportsmanship and everything else.
• 47:49
  Speaker 2: And so what they then wanted was just guys to
• 47:51
  Speaker 2: drop the ball, right? Guys to toss the ball to
• 47:54
  Speaker 2: the referee or whatever it is. If you are mine
• 47:57
  Speaker 2: is on dancing.
• 47:59
  Speaker 1: If all you thinking about is spiking the ball with
• 48:02
  Speaker 1: some impact and then busting a move, you will never
• 48:06
  Speaker 1: drop the ball before the goal line. That's all them
• 48:08
  Speaker 1: cats out here trying to be humble. trying to be
• 48:11
  Speaker 1: modest and then when they do that they wind up
• 48:13
  Speaker 1: giving six points but if you're out there and you
• 48:15
  Speaker 1: get your groove on you'll get the touchdown every single
• 48:19
  Speaker 1: time that's what if you don't want them cats to
• 48:21
  Speaker 1: do that tell everybody you are obligated and required to
• 48:25
  Speaker 1: spike the ball if jackson dart can get out here
• 48:28
  Speaker 1: and do some shit when he scored a touchdown you
• 48:30
  Speaker 1: can do a grok spike or something like that that's
• 48:32
  Speaker 1: how you fix.
• 48:33
  Speaker 2: The problem and by the way The glory days were
• 48:38
  Speaker 2: guys hiding cell phones in the goalposts.
• 48:40
  Speaker 1: T.O.
• 48:42
  Speaker 2: With the pom-poms just doing the most. Chad Johnson putting
• 48:47
  Speaker 2: on the Hall of Fame jacket. T.O. running out to
• 48:50
  Speaker 2: the star and Rock Marion knocking his ass off. That
• 48:55
  Speaker 2: stuff was awesome.
• 48:58
  Speaker 1: T.O. going to the star is a boy had to
• 49:02
  Speaker 1: be there moment, Jack.
• 49:03
  Speaker 2: That was incredible. And I think it was George Teague
• 49:06
  Speaker 2: knocked him off the star.
• 49:07
  Speaker 1: And what was amazing is that was the second best
• 49:09
  Speaker 1: thing George Teague ever did to somebody from behind after
• 49:12
  Speaker 1: the January 1993 Sugar Bowl, where he ran Lamar Thomas
• 49:16
  Speaker 1: from behind and took the ball from him in one
• 49:18
  Speaker 1: turn and ran back.
• 49:20
  Speaker 2: The other way. T.O. on that star because T.O.
• 49:22
  Speaker 1: Went on the star the first time and then Emmitt
• 49:25
  Speaker 1: Smith went on the star to spike it and send
• 49:27
  Speaker 1: a message and then T.O.
• 49:29
  Speaker 2: It's so funny. T.O.
• 49:30
  Speaker 1: Had decided he was going again and George Teague had
• 49:33
  Speaker 1: decided but you not. These were decisions that were made
• 49:37
  Speaker 1: going in, but you not.
• 49:40
  Speaker 2: And the full replay of it, T.O. in the sprint
• 49:43
  Speaker 2: and then George Teague in the sprint. Like, it's like
• 49:46
  Speaker 2: everyone just sees like T.O. like that. I'm thinking it's like, no, no, no.
• 49:49
  Speaker 2: You have to watch like the whole, like I would
• 49:51
  Speaker 2: have watched a 30 for 30 short on just all
• 49:55
  Speaker 2: of those little decisions and the full on sprint to
• 49:57
  Speaker 2: knock him off that star. That was badass.
• 49:59
  Speaker 1: Quiet thing about that moment is the next year. The
• 50:01
  Speaker 1: next year was the first year that T.O. was in Philadelphia.
• 50:04
  Speaker 1: So obviously they played another game in Dallas and that
• 50:07
  Speaker 1: year T.O. was incredible. And he scored a touchdown. And
• 50:11
  Speaker 1: he stood on the star in the helmet.
• 50:15
  Speaker 2: In the end zone. In the end zone. I remember that, dude. Dude, T.O.
• 50:18
  Speaker 2: was the man. He was a little bit of a punk,
• 50:23
  Speaker 2: but like a smart ass. I was like, I would
• 50:25
  Speaker 2: be friends with T.O. You know what? Talk your shit.
• 50:28
  Speaker 2: I loved it.
• 50:29
  Speaker 1: If you are willing to deal with the fact that T.O.
• 50:32
  Speaker 1: doesn't get that nobody cares about his story. I bet T.O.
• 50:36
  Speaker 1: could be really, I bet if T.O. is your boy,
• 50:38
  Speaker 1: like what they would say about T.O. in locker rooms,
• 50:40
  Speaker 1: the problem with T.O. wasn't that everybody hated him. The
• 50:43
  Speaker 1: problem was some people did and the other guys loved him.
• 50:47
  Speaker 2: And that is called being divisive. Right. Polarizing. Yeah. Little
• 50:52
  Speaker 2: too popular with a little too many people. Yes.
• 50:55
  Speaker 1: Or as Dominique always pointed out, no, this is an
• 50:57
  Speaker 1: example of a lightning rod.
• 50:59
  Speaker 2: Hell yeah, man. But like remove the locker room. Like,
• 51:03
  Speaker 2: I just like to hang out with them. Guys seem hilarious.
• 51:08
  Speaker 2: And third best receiver of all time? There's an argument.
• 51:13
  Speaker 2: He's up there.
• 51:14
  Speaker 1: He is an interesting case. I had some other thing
• 51:18
  Speaker 1: that was an analog to this, and I'll remember it
• 51:20
  Speaker 1: as some other point. But the great receiver with not
• 51:23
  Speaker 1: great hands. You know how good you have to be
• 51:24
  Speaker 1: at everything else to be the great receiver with not
• 51:28
  Speaker 1: great hands?
• 51:29
  Speaker 2: Yeah, no, it's great. Because, yeah, he would have– Terrible drops,
• 51:32
  Speaker 2: but then he would catch a slant eight yards over
• 51:35
  Speaker 2: the middle, have two dudes bounce off of him and
• 51:37
  Speaker 2: take 60 yards to the house like from a dead stop.
• 51:41
  Speaker 2: Start up and outrun people. Unbelievable. Outright game changer.
• 51:46
  Speaker 1: Before we get out of here, because of my time
• 51:48
  Speaker 1: spent in North Carolina, this Belichick situation has been interesting
• 51:52
  Speaker 1: to me.
• 51:53
  Speaker 2: Generally, I did not think it was going.
• 51:55
  Speaker 1: I'd say that first drive they had in the game.
• 51:57
  Speaker 1: I was like, oh, this is going to work. They
• 51:58
  Speaker 1: look like a very well coached operation. Nothing has been
• 52:02
  Speaker 1: in line with that since your wife is a Clemson grad.
• 52:07
  Speaker 1: So I think you probably got a chance to watch
• 52:08
  Speaker 1: them beat the brakes off North Carolina last week. Now,
• 52:11
  Speaker 1: all the reports are starting to come out. The way
• 52:14
  Speaker 1: you know it's over has begun to happen. All the leaks,
• 52:18
  Speaker 1: all the anonymous stuff. Like, you don't normally see reports
• 52:20
  Speaker 1: like we've seen this week about Carolina until the end
• 52:23
  Speaker 1: of the year after the guy gets fired.
• 52:25
  Speaker 2: Everybody's making the case.
• 52:26
  Speaker 1: Then you've got the, well, Belichick has started buyout talks
• 52:29
  Speaker 1: if he can find another coaching job or a media
• 52:31
  Speaker 1: place to land. And I can't tell if that's Belichick
• 52:35
  Speaker 1: trying to find the job or if that's Carolina trying
• 52:38
  Speaker 1: to find a job for Belichick.
• 52:41
  Speaker 2: Everybody is... over it the season isn't even halfway done
• 52:47
  Speaker 2: well and those statements of denial really really didn't inspire
• 52:50
  Speaker 2: much confidence it was like i am committed to north
• 52:53
  Speaker 2: carolina north carolina is committed to bill belichick.
• 52:56
  Speaker 1: Yes end of statement the athletic by saying the athletic
• 52:59
  Speaker 1: director who didn't hire him putting.
• 53:01
  Speaker 2: Out that statement yeah well and that's the thing too
• 53:04
  Speaker 2: like the the reporting on it is like not just
• 53:08
  Speaker 2: like an anonymous source close to the program it's like
• 53:12
  Speaker 2: says a defensive assistant coach i'm like god damn like
• 53:16
  Speaker 2: that that's not like a low level type of situation
• 53:21
  Speaker 2: if you if you trust the reporting which i have
• 53:23
  Speaker 2: no reason not to um my thing on this from
• 53:26
  Speaker 2: the beginning was that he didn't want the job i
• 53:29
  Speaker 2: he clearly wanted to be in the nfl Like a
• 53:33
  Speaker 2: couple of years ago, he interviews for the Falcons job.
• 53:36
  Speaker 2: We saw that hilarious picture of him in the suit
• 53:38
  Speaker 2: and tie in line at the Chick-fil-A, like when he
• 53:41
  Speaker 2: was down there interviewing with Arthur Blank. Then he does
• 53:43
  Speaker 2: every media job in the world to like stay out there.
• 53:47
  Speaker 2: And he clearly wanted to be in the NFL. And
• 53:49
  Speaker 2: by the way, I wanted him to be in the NFL.
• 53:52
  Speaker 2: Like this whole time, this has felt below him, a
• 53:56
  Speaker 2: man of his stature. Like if he was going to
• 53:57
  Speaker 2: keep coaching, like I wanted to see him get another
• 54:00
  Speaker 2: shot in the NFL. I think if you don't feel
• 54:04
  Speaker 2: shame and embarrassment, it's like a tremendous quality in a
• 54:08
  Speaker 2: person if you're like performing on Saturday Night Live. It's
• 54:11
  Speaker 2: an adaptive advantage. Yeah, absolutely. But how– I want my
• 54:17
  Speaker 2: like legends to feel some modicum of shame. Like this
• 54:22
  Speaker 2: is beneath you. Like this is just embarrassing. The 20
• 54:26
  Speaker 2: something girlfriend who's running your operation and the reporting and
• 54:30
  Speaker 2: the anonymous sources and getting the doors blown off of you.
• 54:34
  Speaker 2: And like Michael Jordan shows up to the first game
• 54:37
  Speaker 2: and he'll never be at another North Carolina football game again.
• 54:39
  Speaker 2: Why would he? It's just so, it's so humiliating. Like
• 54:45
  Speaker 2: I just, I hope it ends. I hope, I hope
• 54:47
  Speaker 2: it ends and we can just forget about this. And
• 54:49
  Speaker 2: then like 10 years from now, who's the greatest football
• 54:52
  Speaker 2: coach of all time? Like, debate Bill Belichick's merits and
• 54:55
  Speaker 2: just like never mention this again. Yeah.
• 54:56
  Speaker 1: It's like, where, what will the thing be that he's
• 54:59
  Speaker 1: doing next year? I told somebody, I was talking to
• 55:01
  Speaker 1: one of my local guys and I'm like, so does
• 55:02
  Speaker 1: he make it through the season?
• 55:03
  Speaker 2: He was like, does he make it through the weekend? Jesus.
• 55:07
  Speaker 1: Like this, I mean, this is a lot to come
• 55:08
  Speaker 1: out to then have another month and a half of
• 55:11
  Speaker 1: season left to report that Hulu had been filming a
• 55:14
  Speaker 1: behind the scenes documentary.
• 55:15
  Speaker 2: And that has been scrapped. Someone's going to get that footage.
• 55:19
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah.
• 55:22
  Speaker 2: And also, there was one of the reports that a
• 55:27
  Speaker 2: parent was furious. And obviously, maybe a parent is frustrated
• 55:31
  Speaker 2: that a promise was broken in recruiting. A disgruntled parent
• 55:34
  Speaker 2: happens at every college football program, sure. But goddamn, I'd
• 55:38
  Speaker 2: be furious if I sent my son to play for
• 55:40
  Speaker 2: him and it was going like this.
• 55:41
  Speaker 1: Well, I think something that he and all his guys,
• 55:44
  Speaker 1: all these 33rd team, we all are from the NFL thing.
• 55:50
  Speaker 1: Coaching generally involves a lot of soft skills, but college
• 55:54
  Speaker 1: coaching really requires a lot of soft skills. Never mind
• 55:58
  Speaker 1: the fact that I don't think Belichick knows a good
• 55:59
  Speaker 1: football player when he sees one anymore.
• 56:01
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 56:02
  Speaker 1: But it takes a lot of soft skills to do
• 56:05
  Speaker 1: this in dealing with players at the ages of 18
• 56:07
  Speaker 1: to 23 years. or 24 and everything that comes with that.
• 56:12
  Speaker 2: And I don't know.
• 56:13
  Speaker 1: Look, Belichick's a man who's a father with sons, right?
• 56:15
  Speaker 1: So he has dealt with people these ages before. He
• 56:19
  Speaker 1: knows something about them, to put it like that. I
• 56:21
  Speaker 1: don't know how exactly it is that he engages or
• 56:25
  Speaker 1: interacts with his players, but it doesn't sound like it's
• 56:28
  Speaker 1: going to. Nobody seems to be having a good time.
• 56:31
  Speaker 1: And so you are a Syracuse grad. You understand what
• 56:35
  Speaker 1: I'm saying here. When you are a program where I
• 56:38
  Speaker 1: would say the Syracuse is like a plus or minus
• 56:41
  Speaker 1: six win program. Carolina is a plus or minus seven
• 56:45
  Speaker 1: win program. And look, I've seen those people be very
• 56:48
  Speaker 1: happy with seven wins if they're the right seven wins.
• 56:52
  Speaker 1: It's got to be a good time, man. They would
• 56:54
  Speaker 1: like to be excellent, but they'll settle for a good time.
• 56:58
  Speaker 1: Like right now, look, basketball season has begun. They'll always
• 57:01
  Speaker 1: go do that. It's got to be fun. And Belichick,
• 57:04
  Speaker 1: it's only fun if you win. I talked to a
• 57:06
  Speaker 1: guy that played for the Patriots many years ago and
• 57:08
  Speaker 1: he played other places and it was his first year
• 57:09
  Speaker 1: and I was like, how is it? And look, they
• 57:11
  Speaker 1: won a Super Bowl this year, but he's like, you know,
• 57:14
  Speaker 1: not the most fun place to play, but you have
• 57:16
  Speaker 1: a chance to win every week. You're not going to
• 57:19
  Speaker 1: have a chance to win every week in North Carolina,
• 57:20
  Speaker 1: no matter what. Like it's very unlikely that's going to happen.
• 57:23
  Speaker 1: This has to be fun. Nobody's having any fun.
• 57:27
  Speaker 2: Yeah. It has to be fun. And, or you have
• 57:31
  Speaker 2: to actually be able to put dudes into the NFL
• 57:34
  Speaker 2: at a clip that is higher than your wind total
• 57:37
  Speaker 2: would expect. Because it's like, wow, I came there as
• 57:39
  Speaker 2: a three-star guy and I left there as a second
• 57:42
  Speaker 2: round pick. Anyone think that that's where this is going?
• 57:45
  Speaker 2: You know, like I just, this is just every story
• 57:50
  Speaker 2: that comes out. is so petty. He still is releasing
• 57:57
  Speaker 2: statements about the crafts. They can't show Drake May videos
• 58:02
  Speaker 2: on social media. Patriots scouts can't go to North Carolina.
• 58:07
  Speaker 2: It's just all... It's so it's so petty and beneath them.
• 58:11
  Speaker 2: And yes, definitely not fun. And they're losing. It seems
• 58:15
  Speaker 2: like a guy who didn't want to be there and
• 58:17
  Speaker 2: then now isn't doing everything to make it work. And
• 58:20
  Speaker 2: like we've seen it before. One of his guys, Charlie Weiss. Yeah.
• 58:24
  Speaker 2: Like they have like a little bit of an arrogance
• 58:26
  Speaker 2: of like, yeah, I'm a great I was a great
• 58:28
  Speaker 2: coach in the NFL. So obviously at this lower, lesser level,
• 58:31
  Speaker 2: I will be a super coach. No, man, you got
• 58:34
  Speaker 2: to do the work.
• 58:36
  Speaker 1: One of my good friends, who is one of the
• 58:39
  Speaker 1: biggest Carolina fans I know, hit me and said, people
• 58:44
  Speaker 1: down here want your boy Pablo to find out some more.
• 58:47
  Speaker 2: Hell yeah. But I think it gets to something interesting, though.
• 58:50
  Speaker 1: All that focus over the summer on the girlfriend, and
• 58:55
  Speaker 1: Carolina obviously did not like that as a program, right?
• 58:59
  Speaker 2: People found that to be embarrassing.
• 59:01
  Speaker 1: But it obscured that the real problems were going to
• 59:04
  Speaker 1: be foundational to football. Like that was, that was all
• 59:09
  Speaker 1: that talk about Jordan Hudson and nobody was getting college
• 59:13
  Speaker 1: football in the NFL or not the same.
• 59:16
  Speaker 2: So I, before I got this gig at FS1, I
• 59:22
  Speaker 2: made my bones up. All I've ever done is local radio,
• 59:24
  Speaker 2: Syracuse to Kansas city to Chicago, and then do, you know,
• 59:27
  Speaker 2: fill in nationally or whatever. But we had, Michael Lombardi
• 59:31
  Speaker 2: as like, yeah, as like a weekly contributor to, to
• 59:36
  Speaker 2: the station. And when he got that job, I said
• 59:40
  Speaker 2: on TV, Michael Lombardi's last job was weekly losing arguments
• 59:46
  Speaker 2: to me on the radio. Like, like I could not
• 59:52
  Speaker 2: have been less impressed with like the current, you know,
• 59:56
  Speaker 2: maybe 15 years ago. I have no idea, but like,
• 59:59
  Speaker 2: the present tense of Michael was like making like Sopranos
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 2: analogies and telling old Bill Belichick or Bill Walsh stories.
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 2: Like it didn't, it wasn't terribly contemporary or logically consistent.
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 2: So I was not surprised that this has gone very poorly.
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 1: I have long wondered what it is that Bill Belichick
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 1: sees in him. Like all these different people that have
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 1: given him these different jobs.
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 1: So what, I always assume there's something that I don't
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 1: know or I don't see or I don't understand. So,
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 1: case in point, Brian Schottenheimer, who seems to be doing
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 1: a very good job, or I don't want to say
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 1: very good, but I think he's doing a good job
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 1: as the head coach with the Cowboys.
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm pretty impressed with how their offense has looked
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 2: without pickings and with some of those offensive line injuries.
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 1: And I've never liked how he runs an offense, right?
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 1: And I've seen him bounce around everything else. But there's
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 1: got to be something that people see.
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 2: And I kind of get it.
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 1: Like, it's going to be, I mean, he's Marty Schottenheimer's son, right?
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 1: It's going to be a certain measure of just kind
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 1: of foundational. It's not going to be flashy, exciting football.
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 1: But there are clearly things that he could do.
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 2: Mike Shula.
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 1: Is a great example where I talked to my buddy,
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 1: Sean King about it. When Shula got the job with
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 1: cam working with Carolina, they're like, yeah, we're going to
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 1: keep this simple, but he's going to make it to
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 1: where cam doesn't have to do this much. And it's
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 1: just going to center around his great, what he does. Well,
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 1: getting the ball down the field, we're going to have
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 1: a strong running game in front of it, but okay.
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 1: You can explain to me what it is that you
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 1: see in him. If, even though all I see is
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 1: a boring offense with my untrained eye, nobody can explain
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 1: to me what you think about Lombard.
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 2: Yeah. And by the way, That was what it was
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 2: with most of those dudes around the Patriots. Like, who
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 2: left and was, like, awesome? Like, Scott Pioli wasn't. Bill O'Brien.
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 1: Matt Patricia, though, he's doing a good job with the
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 1: Ohio State defense. What do you know when you got
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 1: better players than everybody else?
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, exactly. Exactly. So, like, you know, Brady and
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 2: Belichick got a ton of people jobs. Like, that's just, that's,
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 2: Mike Tomlin has no coaching tree. Andy Reid has an
• 1:01:59
  Speaker 2: incredible coaching tree. You can be a great coach with
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 2: a ton of success and run the gamut on that one,
• 1:02:05
  Speaker 2: but it doesn't seem like any of these guys are
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 2: able to be successful outside of the Belichick-Brady, I guess,
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 2: craft orbit. Because, yeah, I have no idea why Michael
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 2: Lombardi keeps getting jobs, but he gets a lot of them.
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 2: Guys had a lot of jobs. In many industries. In many,
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 2: many industries. In many, many industries. But that is Danny Parkins.
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 1: He who has vanquished Mike Lombardi in many an argument
• 1:02:30
  Speaker 1: before Lombardi went on to fame and fortune. Hired this
• 1:02:32
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• 1:02:34
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• 1:02:37
  Speaker 1: catch him here at another time where he can tell
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 1: us whose Heisman Trophy his granddaddy bought in an estate
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 1: sale or won rolling dice against Jay Berwanger.
• 1:02:46
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• 1:02:50
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• 1:02:51
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• 1:02:53
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• 1:02:55
  Speaker 2: me not having a car. I'll Metro North it. Metro North, baby. Hey, wow.
• 1:02:59
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• 1:03:01
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