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The Line Up: Cowardly Castro (EP1190) · Great Detectives of Old Time Radio Volume 2|Mystery Audio Dramas

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of the Lineup, and here we have something. It's something we haven't had
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since John Lunn was Johnny Doller. This one is a rehearsal recording for a
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program that aired on January second, nineteen fifty three. This one's dated January
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first, of nineteen fifty three, and the case is cowardly castro Hi bet
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all right? Quiet? What's doing? Oh? I got mister Forbes over
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there. I didn't think there was much need of it, but he wanted
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to come in. I would give you something to do. Yeah. I
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had started taking care of little Rock, sending someone out to pick him up.
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No, in trouble. No, he finally come down. You gonna
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stick around? Might as well? Yeah, Hey, I have your attached
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Please you people out there and the other side of the wire in the audience
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room, may I have your attention? Please? Thank you. My name
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is Cogger, Sergeant Pete Carger. I'll explain the lineup to you each of
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the suspects you will see will be numbered. I'll call up a number,
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the name in charge. If you have any questions or identifications, please remember
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the number of side of the prisoners. I call his name. If you're
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sure. We're not too sure of the suspect. Heaven hell. The questions
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I asked these suspects are merely to get a natural tone of voice, so
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do not take too much attention to their answers as they offer them. Lie.
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All right, bring on the line. Okay, boys, move it
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right away here at the end of the stage. Let's go. We have
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a lot of work to do. I'll turn and face the screen. Hands
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that decided to look straight ahead, straight out through the screen, you'll number
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three stand still, Yes, sir, I'm trying. Ok. When I
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call out your number, step out, keep facing front of the talk up
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so everybody can hear you. There are a lot of people out there.
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Want them to get a good look at you and be able to hear what
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you say. So stand up and talk up. Okay, number one,
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Just a second, Number three, h cole, what's your trouble. It's
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a fly, sergeant. He keeps landing on my head. That's a shame,
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Well you've got here, wouldn't bother you? Non? Okay? Coos
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like PiZZ coming full grando? Where do you live? Full of over on
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eighth Street? FI Hotel? Yes, this is hometown. How long you've
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been in town? Well about three days? Don't you know what difference is?
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Name? Three days? Any folks out there hearing? Okay? Full
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of speak up? How long you've been in town? Three days? Where'd
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you come from? Illinois? Spring View? You haven't been arrested before?
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You mean here? Anywhere? Well? Back there? I rest a couple
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of times. What kind of car you picked up? In? Fifty one?
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Anyone? Will you have any friends here in town? No? Where'd
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you get the car you were picked up in? What do you ask these
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silly questions for you? Where I got the car? Or sto? Okay?
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Follow step back? Number two Albert Wilson robbery. Where do you live?
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Wilson one? Three? Three Onton Avenue? How long you lived there?
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It must be nearly four years? Have you ever been in trouble before?
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What happened last night? I got into trouble. We know how did
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it happen? We needed some extra money? We figured the whole thing out
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Jimmy and I never been in trouble before. We just made a mistake.
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Jimmy, Yeah, Jimmy Swain, you must have had an are on the
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list. James Swayin. Yeah, he's right down there. One six,
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number six? You married? Yes? Or both? Jimmy and I got
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wives. That's what's worrying his most. I ain't gonna like this on the
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car, Nope, that's what we wanted the money for. We was aiming
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to buy one. Where'd you live before you came here? Corbus Christi,
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Texas? I didn't like it down there, okay, Wilson, step back?
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Number three, Charles Cole alias Leon cot and alias Curly Kolbe Salt and
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battery, Come on, cold, step up? Where do you live?
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Coked? In an apartment? Sixteen thirty two Longdale apop In two or four?
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How long you lived in? About four months? You're married? My
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mother in law lives with us. Am I married? You and your mother?
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Or not? Get along? Oh? Yeah, we get along.
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She's a good old dame. You and your friend are to try and get
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along as well. Up until this afternoon, I've been a real good boy.
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Who started it? I didn't, that's for sure. But keep myself
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clean ever since I came here from Chicago. How long you've been in town,
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you know, sergeant, you got it all down there, six years.
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I've been here. I'm all paid up back there. I'm an honest
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man. Now. What happened today, and there was nothing for you guys
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to come in on. There's just something personal between his friend of mine and
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me. Friend is in the hospital. He's got fourteen stitches across the top
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of his head. He's still unconscious. He's been unconscious for years. I'm
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sorry I hit him so hard, but he had it coming. Let me
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do all. He was playing snow see me and Sammy, that's his name,
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Sammy playing snooker on a lunch out for a long time. Now.
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Lately he's been yapping at me about my bald head all through the games.
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I could take the ribbon as good as the next guy, but he wouldn't
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let up. When he chalked up his skew and he made like he was
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gonna put my head in the corner pocket. I got sore. I wrapped
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him a good one with the pool cube. Okay, a sergeant did did
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they shave his head to put in them? Stitches? I imagine good.
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I wonder how he likes it being bald. Okay, step back, and
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I get sore all over again just thinking about I've been staying in line for
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six years in a boat head like that louses me. I'm sorry, but
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all right, I'm a four frank Castro open shot? What's cast doing?
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And that's what we'd like to know? You talk to you and not that
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we know him, And tell Pete to bring Castro up when he gets through
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the line. Here's Castro, Ben, Thanks, bean, I have a
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check Castro? What for? I'm in a hurry. Now you can spare
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a few minutes. You're getting old. I'll here. Thanks. You know
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got this is a waste of time. I got nothing to say to you.
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How are things in Indianapolis? Well, you tell me, I ain't
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been there for two months? And where have you been? Da Vegas?
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You any gun? Little made? What your salary would be for a couple
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of years? Seen Manelli lately? And why should I tell you? Because
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I asked you? Have you seen Manelli? No? You know where he
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is? No? You want him? Why don't you find him? I
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didn't say we wanted him, That's right, you didn't. How long.
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You're punning on staying in town. I don't know. I am, I'm
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on a vacation. Might move here. We don't want you here, Castro.
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I didn't ask you long. I keep clean. I don't even have
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to say hello to you. That's right, Castro. As long as you
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keep clean, I'll let you and me get a few things straight. Got
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three. I got enough time in Indiana. I don't plan on getting sent
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up here. I'm straight now. I don't care if you're believe it or
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not. As far as you're concerned, I'm just a plain citizen. I
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got a paper that says I'm paid up. When I get out of line.
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You come after me, but be sure it's me that's out of line
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when you come. I don't like you, Gotri, I never have,
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so don't start pushing me around. I'm impressed, Castro. That's practically the
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same speech you made five years ago. Now you get this straight. Guys
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like you never have scared me. You get out of line just once,
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and you've had it. The stunnel is in pretty good shape, and you
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and nobody else is going to get a chance to start operating if I have
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anything to do with it. You'll be put away for a lot longer than
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five years. Next time I'm tired, gut three, I'm going to find
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myself a hotel down by the beach where the air is good. Stinks around
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here, Sit on Castro. I'm not froue with him, Lieutenant Guthrie,
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Client Ben, I'm in communications. What again? Just got an answer from
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Indianapolis. Castro is clean there? Okay, thanks, get our Castro.
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Oh you really ought to go with us, Ben? Do you good?
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Oh? Pete? You know I never did like picnics last year? And
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his family you're gone lots of fried chicken potato salad. That part sounds good.
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Hey, even if you don't like picnics, the food's worth it.
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I suppose I'll let you know. Pen, I hope you can make it.
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And maybe, oh, anything new on the younger case, I still
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at that. And the quin's running a check and the building employees, now,
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whoever pulled it must have had help from the inside. Everything went off
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too smooth. And when they start to pedal the stuff, they'll be wide
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open. And we hope run some coffee. Oh, I think so Castro
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been behaving himself. Sure, he always does. For a while you know
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where he is. No, and we finally get a line on Manelli.
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We know where he's living. Hi bad al hikin. He's a report on
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the employees and the younger kid. Huh anything, Hi doubts the channey Arn
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Harrison. He's got a record served two years on a burglary charge in Indiana.
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That's where Castro and Manelli are from. This sort of thing is out
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of their line. They're not stick up man. He checked with the building
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superintendent. Harrison's been a good employee. He's worked there three years. Did
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you talk to Harrison? No, I thought you'd want to. How old
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is he? Sixty three? Superintendent swears by him. He said he knew
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about his record, but he was convinced he was. Okay, Well,
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I won't do any harm to talk with him when I haven't picked up.
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No, let's go for a ride thing. Kah oh oh, hello,
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and mister Harrison. Uh huh, I'm Lieutenant Guthrie. This Sergeant Cargan.
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Oh, how do you do you want to come in? Thank? You
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sit down here, I'll get that paper there. Hell, I'm glad you
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came by. Now the wife isn't home. You want a beer? No?
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No thanks. Okay, you fellows are working on that younger cage,
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aren't you. I figured somebody to be around. I got a record,
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and that's as good a place as anywhere to start on. I want somebody
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has a wreckage, fellas, never let us forget it. Oh, don't
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get me wrong. I don't blame you, man. I do the same
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thing of Harshu. Oh it's not only you. All the employees are being
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checked, mister Harrison. Oh sure, I know you know it's your job
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to do this, you know mister Younger, Yes, I know him.
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I never figured him for a guy with that much in diamonds laying around.
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Oh, he has a good business going there, but I didn't know it
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was that good. At what hours do you work? One to nine?
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I was here at home when it happened. We don't think you robbed mister
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Younger, but we do think whoever did had help from the ensign. Well,
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it could be. All I'm interested in is being left alone, keep
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him a job. If you didn't have anything to do with this, there's
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nothing to worry about. Harrison. Yeah. Well, of course, I'm
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not a young man anymore, and it's kind of tough to get started,
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but I was lucky. I got a good, steady job. We just
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bought this house here last year. The wife's been working and we're paying it
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off as fast we can. We're saving every extra nickel we can get a
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hands on. But kind of late to be starting in like this, but
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in a few more years we'll be Okay. You ever run into anybody out
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here? You did? I'm with back in Indiana. M Well, no,
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who, No, nobody would pull a job like this. Did you
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ever know Frank Castro or Anthony Minnelli back there? Yeah? Yeah, yes,
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yes you did. They was doing time when I was. I never
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knew him very well. I got up before they did. They're both in
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town now. You haven't seen him. There's no use lying here. I
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suppose you'd find out anyway if you wanted, Yes, home both a couple
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of weeks ago. I want to send out a pickup on Manelli. If
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he isn't home, we will. No, it still doesn't fake in.
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This sort of thing is out of both Manelli's and Castro's line. Could be
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there broke, oh maybe one two and two and two one there there it
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is. Minelli is not very broke living in a place like this. No,
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let's see Lee Kimball Manelli one oh seven? Ben? Hello, got
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three? Hello? Remember Sigean Cargo? Yeah? Sure, I want to
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talk to him. It's a pinch. No, that's good, okay,
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come on, sit on, I want to drink. No thanks. Castor
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is telling me you and him had a run in, Lieutenant, you might
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call it that. I don't pay too much attention to Frank. He flies
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off the handle once nowhere. No, No, have you seen him?
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No? Not for about a week. And where is he? Should?
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I know he don't live with me. What are you doing for a living?
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Nothing? How do you pay your rent? Frank? Lent me some
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money? Why? I just wondered, Well, it looks like I might
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have to go to work. You know you guys that helped me rehabilitate myself.
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You know, Vern Harrison, Vern Harrison. Where's he from Indiana?
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H Harrison? No, I don't think so. What did he do nothing
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recently that we know of? Be sure you don't know him. I don't
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know him by name or min if I seen him, Frank may know.
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I know a lot of guys I've seeing him, but I don't know the
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names. You know, how they Yeah, I know he knows human and
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he that could be he said he talked to you a couple of weeks ago,
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so maybe he did. I don't remember his name. I ain't saying
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that I know him, But what if I do? What's so important about
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him? He's a janitor in the building where younger was held up. Oh
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yeah, yeah, it's some of the papers about it. And I'll wait
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a minute. You're trying to tie me in, frank In with that Harrison
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guy and a stick it maybe are you ribbing me or something? What night
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was young and held up? I didn't say it was at night? The
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paper did? It was four nights ago. I was with a girl I
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know, Francis longword sixteen forty fort East Blake, Apartment three. You can
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check with her, we will? You better come along with us? Minelli?
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What for? Hey? I thought you said this wasn't a pinch.
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I wasn't sure it would be. As soon as he regained consciousness, he
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asked for you, Ben. When was he brought in to two hours ago?
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It's in pretty bad shape, skull fracture, cuts, some bruises.
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Who found him? His wife? I guess she's been around here, but
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you better not stay too long, mister Harrison. Mister Harrison, mister Harrison.
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I don't know then, mister Harrison. Oh, hello, Tenny,
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I got to talk to you. Yes, I after you left me,
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he came to see me. Who I told him? I didn't say anything.
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Who came to see you? I just wanted had been left alone.
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He said he'd kill me. I'm too old for frightening. I told him.
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They didn't tell him anything. Who was it, mister Harrison. I
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met him like I told Jordie only I told him where I work, about
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younger and they threatened me. Then, Yes, I don't know where Manelli
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was. He meant to kill me. He said he'd make sure he kept
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quiet. Castro Castro castro beat you up. Yes, that's all I had
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to do. Ah, I was home. He should have told maybe that.
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Oh it's enough for now. Then, okay, you're missus Harrison.
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We're doing everything that can be done. He's tried. But here here,
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Missus Harrison. Oh, thank you. I'll be all right. If you
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could answer a few questions, I'd appreciate it. Missus Harrison. I'm Lieutenant
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Guthrie. All right, it will help any But tell me, did you
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see anybody leave your house. I just came home from work in there.
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Vern What did he tell you anything? Then he was unconscious. I called
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the ambulance. Ver never that enemy, mister Harrison never mentioned anyone by the
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name of Castro Manali to you A couple of weeks ago. He did.
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I told him he'd better not have anything to do with him. Burn knew
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him back home. Yes, I know they did this to Verne. Your
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husband told me one of them, did Castro. I don't know them.
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RN told me he'd seen them at the wrestling matches. I told Vernon,
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then, is there anyone you'd like me to call? No? Can I
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see? I don't think you're better right now. He's got a sister in
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Missouri. I should call her, but I can't now. Yeah, I
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don't know what to do. We don't have anything those men would want.
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Why didn't they leave us alone? Ah that Francis Longworth sticks with her story.
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Ben Eli was with her all evening. They didn't go anywhere, stayed
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home and watch television. Anyone to substantiate her story? No, I check
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with other people in the building. Nobody saw Manelli come in or leave.
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How long do you stay? Well? About one in the mornings, She
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said, you can always buy that kind of an alibi. We'll see what
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Monelly has to say about Harrison now, I'll bring him in. Coin,
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you should have run both of them out of town. And if only it
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were that easy. Thanks sit down, Sure might as well stick around.
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Coin. It's one of your guys that's got the rubber hose. Why don't
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you level with us? Manelli? Okay, what do you want to know?
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West Castro? I don't know where were you on the night younger was
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held up with my girlfriend? I told you you can check with her.
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We did. I just came from there, so all she knows her story,
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what she supports to do live. That's the trouble. I think she
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did. You don't think I was there. I say I was. I
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got a witness. What do you got? What did you do all evening?
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I told you once I'd like to hear it. You never told me.
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That's tough. We have lots of time in Ali. I got over
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to friend's house about it. If you have dinner at her place, no
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where, what difference does it make? Where the open door over on aling?
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When did you leave there? About seven thirty? He went straight to
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Miss Longworts place from there? Yeah, what did you do all evening?
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Watch television and talk? Did you have anything to drink? I had a
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couple, a couple of one. I had a couple of beers. What'd
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you talk about? Oh, come on now, fellas, I don't know
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what we talked about. We just talked. What time you leave her apartment?
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About one thirty? I guess you went to your apartment? Sure this
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time? And the other place to go? You haven't any idea where we
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can find Castro? No? Where'd you see him last? At a restaurant,
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the Salana? How long ago is this? About? Three weeks?
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Is that when you borrow the money? Yeah? How much did you borrow?
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Seven hundred dollars? You had six hundred on you? All right?
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So I had six hundred when you picked me up. You lived three weeks
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and one hundred dollars. I got lucky at the track. Where did Castro
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get his money? I don't know where he got his money? Why don't
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you ask him? Tell us where he is and we will. I told
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you I don't know where he is. Where's your girlfriend from? I don't
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know where she's from. How long you know her? I knew we're back
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east I long ago, about seven years ago. I guess. I don't
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know for sure. Does Castro know anyone else in town? I don't know.
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How often do you go to the race track whenever? I feel like?
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How often? A couple of times a week? You ever go to
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the wrestling matches? Yeah? Very often? I've been a few times.
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You ever see anybody there? You know? Sure? Ed Peet, Johnny
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Lewis one a cigarette? I got my own? Yeah, Barn Harrison goes
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to the wrestling matches. Did you see Harrison at the wrestling matches? Oh?
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Where'd you see him? I didn't see him. Harrison sixty three years
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old, five ft seven hundred and fifty five pounds, slightly bald, gray
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hair. He did time with you and Castro back in the d I know
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you told me. Remember look, do your mind if I have a drink
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of water? No, okay, Harrison is dead? So what Castro beat
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him? Have killed him? Get cast or? Don't tell me about Harrison
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told me about meeting you and Castro at the wrestling matches, that he gave
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you information about younger. Castro was afraid Harrison would talk and took it on
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himself to shut him up? Where is he? Manelli? What good'll it
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do me? I had to get some kind of a break. Twenty five
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or nine East Hendrick Apartment two or three sixty seven, five oh seven?
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Like it right now? Yeah? Twenty three four fifty nine at one,
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you're going on the picnic. That should be quiet. Who's he bringing Randall?
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Alright, I turn that thing off. What do you think you and
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Randall cover the rear asher and moving them back as a fire escape. May
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try to use it, right, don't take any chances beating all going?
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You'll take care? Okay, sure we did. Gothrie, Castro, What
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do you want? You're under arrest? Castro? What murder in the middle
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of the ninety Ah the time for joke. This is no joke. Get
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your clothes on. Harrison is dead. They're supposed to mean something to me,
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he talked before he died. Oh, go ahead and make a break.
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Frankly, I'd like you to. He couldn't have talked. He didn't
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get us clothes. Speat, you're thirty five, Castro. Harrison was sixty
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three. You're really tough. It was Manelli's fault. Head broke, he
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said, if we did something out of our line, it'd work. Yeah,
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it's a large combination. Castro, he's stupid and you're a coward.
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Get dressed. Yeah, I guess I need to change. Pete, I'll
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go to that picnic. Hey, I have your attention. To few people
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out there on the other side of the wire on the audience room me,
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I have your attention. Please, thank you. My name is Concker,
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Sergeant Pete Cocker. I'll explain the lineup to you. Each of the suspects
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you will see will be numbered. I'll call off a number of the name
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in charge. If you have any questions or identifications, please remember the number
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of sign of the prisoners. I call his name the end of each line.
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When I ask for questions or identifications, call out the number. If
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you're sure. You're not too sure of the suspect, have him held.
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The officers who took your name and assist you. They're seated among you.
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Please be prompt with your questions or identifications. When the prisoners leave here,
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they're center of the bathroom. When the prisoners leave here, they're center the
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washroom and dressed back into the jail clothes. It makes it quite difficult to
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bring them back after they leave here. Hey, I have your attention,
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pleasing you people out there on the other side of the wire in the audience
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room, may I have your attention? Please, thank you. My name
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is Corger, Sergeant Pete Cogger. I'll explain the line up to you.
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Each of the suspects you will see will be numbered. I'll call off the
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number their name in charge. If you have any questions to identifications, please
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remember the number of signs of the prisoners. I call his name at the
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end of each line. When I ask for questions identifications, call out the
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number. If you're sure, are not too sure of the suspect, have
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him help. The officers who took your name will assist you. They're seated
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among them. Please be prompt with your questions or identifications. When the prisoners
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leave here, they're center the washroom and dress back into the jail clothes.
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It makes it quite difficult to bring them back after they leave it. Welcome
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mack Well. It definitely makes you appreciate the music and other elements. They
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seem to be a bit more bare bones in what they play during rehearsal as
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opposed to yours, truly. Johnny Doller, other than that, I thought
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it was a good case. Definitely would love to hear the version with music.
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Okay, Katie, we have a listener comment from Katie who says,
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I love your podcast in the app I've been listening for over a year and
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wanted to be come an old friend through my habit of listening while I do
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my housework. Thanks for the enthusiasm and effort you put into this. I
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wanted to comment on the Lineup program. I seem to hear Howard mcnear's voice
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on almost every episode as one of the men in the Lineup. Do you
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know if this is true? And if so, why would he agree to
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be in so many episodes with Jester line or two. He's one of my
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favorite old time radio and TV actors, and I'm curious about his career and
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personal life. Well, thanks so much. I don't have a specific information,
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but it's not too hard to guess on something like this. The best
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answer that I can find on this, Katie, is that it's really about
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the union scale, particularly when you get into nineteen fifty two and fifty three,
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there were a lot of those actors who were working in radio in ever
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increasing number. We're working for scale rates, and so the more programs you
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can appear in, the better. And usually when he's in the lineup,
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he's also in the program in some other role or capacity. I've heard a
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couple episodes where Howard mcneer does doubles. I don't believe that leads to any
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additional pay, but good steady work in radio in a time when radio was
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in decline, that was certainly a reason to keep coming back for the lineup,
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regardless of whether the part was big or small. All right, well,
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we're going to sign off in a second. I do want to encourage
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great Detectives dot net. Well that will do it for today. We'll be
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back tomorrow with our first special as we take a peek ahead and join us
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back here on Saturday for the lineup. Oh and I should mention before I
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officially signed up, the missing episode for last week, the one that we
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don't have is the Young Yagg That one aired between last week's showing this one,
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But for now from Boise, Idaho, this is your host, Adam
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graham Son and off