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A (Bachelor) House Divided · The Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous Podcast

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  Speaker 1: This is the Benn and Ashley I Almost Famous podcast
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  Speaker 1: with our radio. It is a week of the Almost
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  Speaker 1: Famous podcast. We're breaking down Matt's latest episode this season. Ashley.
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  Speaker 1: We're not going to break it down quite yet because
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  Speaker 1: obviously we have a long podcast to do. We have
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  Speaker 1: some very special guests coming up. We also have some
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  Speaker 1: headlines and everything like that. However, to start out this thing,
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  Speaker 1: I want to hear what you think. I'm gonna say
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  Speaker 1: this is the best episode of Matt season, and I
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  Speaker 1: think that is one that I am most passionate to
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  Speaker 1: break down. What do you think? Really, I'm actually mind
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  Speaker 1: boggled by that. Um, I did not feel the same.
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  Speaker 1: I felt like it was sort of a continuation of
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  Speaker 1: last week. I think his best episode so far was
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  Speaker 1: probably episode two when Bree had her date. Yeah, that's
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  Speaker 1: so funny, but that's great, Like, I love that that
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  Speaker 1: way we are not on the same page and it
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  Speaker 1: makes for a more interesting conversation. Yeah, unlike most weeks, actually,
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  Speaker 1: I haven't been able to really like catch up obviously. Uh,
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  Speaker 1: it's the launch of my book Alone in Plain Site
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  Speaker 1: this week, which is a big deal, and so I've
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  Speaker 1: been busy. Actuley has been really busy as well, and
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  Speaker 1: so we haven't got to talk about our opinions at
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  Speaker 1: which kind of makes this podcast fun because we probably
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  Speaker 1: it sounds like we'll come from this from two different angles. Actually.
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  Speaker 1: To get us started, I want to just let everybody
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  Speaker 1: know once again that about our live virtual event. Uh.
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  Speaker 1: The hundred promo codes the event have been used, but
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  Speaker 1: stay tuned for more info. I think we're gonna make
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  Speaker 1: something else happen here. There's still meet and greet packages available,
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  Speaker 1: which will include a copy of my book Alone in
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  Speaker 1: plain site, which comes out February second, which is probably
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  Speaker 1: the day that you're listening to this podcast. Uh. You
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  Speaker 1: can visit events dot looped live, dot com, slash almost
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  Speaker 1: famous that will be in the show notes as well,
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  Speaker 1: Uh to get a ticket. A portion of the proceeds
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  Speaker 1: from the live event will go to save our stages.
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  Speaker 1: This is a big deal for us for me really personally.
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  Speaker 1: My friends like Ashley are being kind enough to give
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  Speaker 1: up some time to help talk about the book, to
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  Speaker 1: help bring in uh some friends of ours talking about
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  Speaker 1: the book and talk about life. Uh. We like doing
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  Speaker 1: virtual events. This isn't something that's like uncommon to us,
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  Speaker 1: but this is a big deal for me, So Ashley,
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  Speaker 1: thanks for agreeing to do it. Yeah, and if you
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  Speaker 1: guys want to know what Save the Stages are UM
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  Speaker 1: the foundation. It goes to helping all the places that
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  Speaker 1: have been closed for like a year now because we
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  Speaker 1: can't have big theater performances and stuff. And federal aid
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  Speaker 1: is on the way, but as it comes, UM a
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  Speaker 1: lot of neighborhood independent venues are still at risk for
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  Speaker 1: closing forever. So UM you can find out more information
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  Speaker 1: on how to save local music that whole scene UM
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  Speaker 1: at save our Stages dot com. Yeah, it's a big deal.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, I know there's a lot of things lost
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  Speaker 1: right now, but I was just talking to a friend
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  Speaker 1: of mine who was doing The Bachelor live on stage,
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  Speaker 1: you know, kind of planning and paying for it. I
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  Speaker 1: know the theater industry they're nervous. I would say nervous
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  Speaker 1: is an understatement, like there is a lot of unknowns
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  Speaker 1: uh left out there for live theater, for musical events, etcetera.
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  Speaker 1: Even you know right now as uh you know, hopefully
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  Speaker 1: in the next year we'll be without COVID. Uh. There's
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  Speaker 1: still a lot of questions on will they be able
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  Speaker 1: to get back, So it's important for us. All the
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  Speaker 1: arts are really important, so make sure to go to
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  Speaker 1: events dot looped live dot com slash almost famous. Again,
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  Speaker 1: it's events dot looped live dot com slash almost famous
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  Speaker 1: for tickets. Hey, ash Uh, let's take a break here.
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  Speaker 1: When we come back, we're gonna recap the episode. We're
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  Speaker 1: gonna have Natasha Parker on the episode. Natasha Parker has
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  Speaker 1: blown up recently. She's everywhere. She's doing great things. She's
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  Speaker 1: a co host of the Clickbait uh podcast and also
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  Speaker 1: was a contestant on The Bachelor Peter Webber's season. Uh.
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  Speaker 1: Then we're gonna go through Bachelor headlines. Uh, it's gonna
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  Speaker 1: be a great episode. But we'll be back with the
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  Speaker 1: almost Famous podcast. Ashley. I mentioned my take on this episode.
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  Speaker 1: I think was Matt James best showing all. I'm gonna
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  Speaker 1: explain why in just a bit. I also think it
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  Speaker 1: was the most enjoyable episode for me to watch today.
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  Speaker 1: You disagree, but we're gonna talk about that all as
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  Speaker 1: we break down this week's episode. And to start this
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  Speaker 1: week's episode, we started with a rose ceremony. Ashley, take
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  Speaker 1: it away. Okay, so again, it's the O G s
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  Speaker 1: versus the newbies. Brittany talks about how it's been a
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  Speaker 1: really hard week. Obviously she was accused of being a
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  Speaker 1: escort from from Anna UM and Katie says that she's
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  Speaker 1: going to like call out all the mean girls. Well,
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  Speaker 1: Matt walks in and right off the bat, he says
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  Speaker 1: that he wants to address the rumors that it's been
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  Speaker 1: a toxic environment to live in, and he says that
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  Speaker 1: bullying are not bullying is obviously not a quality he
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  Speaker 1: wants in his future wife. He doesn't want somebody who
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  Speaker 1: has to put somebody down in a or to raise
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  Speaker 1: them up. And then he immediately pulls Brittany over to talk.
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  Speaker 1: She's very honest with what happens, what would happen. She
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  Speaker 1: said that Anna, you know, called her out for being
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  Speaker 1: an escort but not really um the date before. And
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  Speaker 1: then Anna gets pulled aside, and of course she says
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  Speaker 1: like she knows she made a huge mistake. She regretted
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  Speaker 1: it the second that those words came out of her mouth.
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  Speaker 1: And this is what this is a shining moment from
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  Speaker 1: for Mad for me again, Like I didn't love the
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  Speaker 1: episode as far as like plotlines go, but I did
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  Speaker 1: love the way that Matt was as I continued to
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  Speaker 1: every week just love find another reason to love Matt,
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  Speaker 1: the way that he gives Anna so much like grace
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  Speaker 1: in this moment where he was like, you're not a
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  Speaker 1: bad person. You made a mistake, like I've made mistakes
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  Speaker 1: and I grew for from it. And then he basically
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  Speaker 1: proves that this is gonna be one of those mistakes
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  Speaker 1: that Anna gets eliminated for and she's probably gonna earned
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  Speaker 1: a huge lesson from it to you know, not accuse
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  Speaker 1: others of things like this and to keep your mouth
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  Speaker 1: shut when you don't really know the fact. Well, and
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  Speaker 1: it's it's interesting because you know, last week we talked
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  Speaker 1: about it, and typically when we have somebody a contestant
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  Speaker 1: go to the lead and complain about something going on
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  Speaker 1: in the house, we typically aren't fans of that, Like,
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  Speaker 1: it's not something that comes off well, it's not something
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  Speaker 1: that we like really enjoy seeing. It usually kind of
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  Speaker 1: feels like the tattle tell. But with Katie, we're like, yes,
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  Speaker 1: this needed to happen, this was appropriate, and she did
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  Speaker 1: it in an appropriate way or the best that she could.
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  Speaker 1: So Matt's now aware of it. Now this week there
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  Speaker 1: was an interesting thing to happen. I didn't interview, and
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  Speaker 1: I said, I was trying to support Matt, and I said,
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  Speaker 1: Matt just doesn't know. And well, the headline reads everywhere
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  Speaker 1: this week that Ben Higgins slams Matt James for not knowing.
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  Speaker 1: It's like, that's not at all what I meant. Um.
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  Speaker 1: What I actually mean by this is we got to
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  Speaker 1: give Mat a little bit of a break because he
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  Speaker 1: was unaware of what was going on in the house
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  Speaker 1: until Katie said something to him. Now, I've always said it,
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  Speaker 1: once he's aware, then it's how he reacts, and I
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  Speaker 1: thought his reaction to this was incredible, the way he
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  Speaker 1: approached the women right away, walks into the room and says, listen,
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  Speaker 1: this is this is where I'm at, this is what
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  Speaker 1: I've heard, this is what what I know is going on. Brittany.
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  Speaker 1: We need to talk. And I that's what I meant
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  Speaker 1: when I said Matt just doesn't know. As Matt was unaware,
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  Speaker 1: he doesn't he doesn't know what's going on in the house,
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  Speaker 1: and his viewers, we have to understand that the lead
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  Speaker 1: doesn't always know what's going on in the house. He
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  Speaker 1: can assume, uh, he can maybe think about it. But
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  Speaker 1: his reaction to this was perfect, and I think it
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  Speaker 1: was one of matt shining moments from the season. I
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  Speaker 1: also think it's set the tone that he isn't going
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  Speaker 1: to stand for this kind of behavior. I mean, you
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  Speaker 1: see the reaction from the women. They're apologizing left and
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  Speaker 1: right after this because they know that he's not going
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  Speaker 1: to stand for this kind of stuff. Now this is
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  Speaker 1: where I'll stop. Actually, but uh, there's a moment in
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  Speaker 1: Brittany's explanation that I really think like made me feel
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  Speaker 1: a certain way inside. It like really hit home to me.
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  Speaker 1: She said I was excited to be here. I'm sure
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  Speaker 1: she was. Uh, I was excited to meet you as
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  Speaker 1: excited for this experience. But the words being said about
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  Speaker 1: room right now could could change my life forever. My
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  Speaker 1: family watches this, my friends watch this, like I have
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  Speaker 1: to watch this. The things being said about me right
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  Speaker 1: now are not okay. And I think that was a
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  Speaker 1: moment that just kind of like reinforced how big of
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  Speaker 1: an issue this could have been, and how unhealthy and
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  Speaker 1: how toxic the environment in the house was. Now, Hey,
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  Speaker 1: I don't know Brittany's what she does in her in
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  Speaker 1: her personal life, I don't know that side of her. However,
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  Speaker 1: what I do know it's none of the girls businesses
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  Speaker 1: be talking about and rumoring about in the house, especially
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  Speaker 1: knowing it's going to be on national TV. That was
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  Speaker 1: just uh inappropriate. It was unwise. And I think I'm
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  Speaker 1: gonna kind of uh jump to conclusions here. But for
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  Speaker 1: Matt Um when Anna kind of expressed explained herself to
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  Speaker 1: him and said, hey, I was wrong here, uh, I
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  Speaker 1: think what I what I recognize is it was immature.
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  Speaker 1: And that's just not something that's looking for in a wife.
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  Speaker 1: Even if Anna apologizes and even if she means it,
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  Speaker 1: and even if we can all forgive her, which is
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  Speaker 1: up to each individual person, it was just immature and
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  Speaker 1: I just don't think that's a quality of somebody you're
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  Speaker 1: looking for in a wife. And that's why she ended
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  Speaker 1: up going home. And I mean Matt did it beautifully. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: Anna definitely is a prime example of somebody who just
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  Speaker 1: like kind of got caught up in the drama. I
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  Speaker 1: think she was getting, like I've said multiple times, like
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  Speaker 1: kind of high off it. But I also feel like
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  Speaker 1: she was very genuinely, sincerely apologetic. She regrets that. I
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  Speaker 1: really do think it's going to be in a learning
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  Speaker 1: experience for her. Yeah, and you know you're right, And
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  Speaker 1: I mean, how many times in life? Uh, I kind
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  Speaker 1: of like it reminds me. I mean a lot of
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  Speaker 1: the show honestly reminds me of like of high school,
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  Speaker 1: middle school, college, Like you kind of get caught up
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  Speaker 1: in the gossip, you get caught up in the excitement
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  Speaker 1: of the drama, and before you know it, somebody's really
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  Speaker 1: hurt and then you start to feel the consequences and
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  Speaker 1: you start to feel bad yourself and you're like, oh, man,
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  Speaker 1: I didn't mean it like that, and it's it's not
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  Speaker 1: it's not like at all what I meant. Um, But
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  Speaker 1: here's the truth, Like bullying, it's unacceptable, it's not okay,
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  Speaker 1: and it's what was happening in the house and it
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  Speaker 1: and it has consequences. Uh. It was shown to us,
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  Speaker 1: Brittany explained it to us. We all saw it, we
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  Speaker 1: all felt it. We didn't enjoy watching it. And the
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  Speaker 1: consequences that somebody, you know, that somebody's now going home.
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  Speaker 1: But also hopefully all of these girls that were bullying
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  Speaker 1: are now learning from this, because it got really bad,
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  Speaker 1: really fast, and it was we saw it with our
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  Speaker 1: own eyes, how quickly it can spiral and how dangerous
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  Speaker 1: that can get mm hmm. And we see in this
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  Speaker 1: episode that like Victoria just keeps the bullying coming just crazy,
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  Speaker 1: like she's she's unstoppable, but totally just mind blowingly unself aware,
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  Speaker 1: like I've never I've never seen somebody on this show
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  Speaker 1: to just like who just seems to like not comprehend
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  Speaker 1: the consequences of what they're saying. Well, it's interesting because
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  Speaker 1: after this event goes down and Anna is sent home
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  Speaker 1: um and and Matt is he's somber. You can tell
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  Speaker 1: this is frustrating to him. This isn't the environment that
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  Speaker 1: he wants. He doesn't want Bowling involved in the house
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  Speaker 1: that he's trying to you know, lead and guide and
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  Speaker 1: have this journey with. We said it last week, We'll
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  Speaker 1: say it again, Like, what's been most frustrating about this
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  Speaker 1: season so far as we're rooting for Matt James like
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  Speaker 1: we do most bachelors and bachelorettes, We're rooting for these contestants,
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  Speaker 1: and we're just we're not getting able to see any
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  Speaker 1: of the storylines that really matter. We're just seeing the
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  Speaker 1: toxicity and it feels weird to watch. It feels dirty
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  Speaker 1: to watch some nights. I watched The Bachelor right now,
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  Speaker 1: and I feel worse watching it than I did would
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  Speaker 1: have without it. Now. What happens, though, is an interesting
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  Speaker 1: reaction is as soon as Anna goes home, everybody starts
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  Speaker 1: apologizing to each other. It's almost like, I'm sorry for
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  Speaker 1: saying this. I'm sorry for saying this. You know I
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  Speaker 1: didn't mean it like that, right, Like, everybody starts reacting
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  Speaker 1: to the consequences that Anna's feeling. Now. The truth of it, though,
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  Speaker 1: is there's still people in the house at that moment
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  Speaker 1: that are still in that room that contributed to the bullying. Well,
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  Speaker 1: that's like how one of the girls was like, it's oh,
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  Speaker 1: it was Serena. She was like, this is just like
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  Speaker 1: a whole bunch of sucking up going on right now
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  Speaker 1: because all the girls didn't want to all the bullying
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  Speaker 1: girls didn't want to get eliminated. So all of a sudden,
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  Speaker 1: the apologies start flowing in that cocktail room. They really do.
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  Speaker 1: It was. It was very interesting to watch because you
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  Speaker 1: kind of see everybody back, like whole backtracking and being like, hey, okay,
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  Speaker 1: can we start over? She Anna, Anna was the one
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  Speaker 1: that went home. So the rest of us are safer
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  Speaker 1: right now, but Matt says, no, like, there's still other
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  Speaker 1: stuff going on here and I'm gonna you know, and
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  Speaker 1: it's not gonna rest, Like this isn't gonna be okay. Well,
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  Speaker 1: it takes us then into the next Row ceremony. Matt's tired.
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  Speaker 1: I bet he's exhausted, but he's really frustrated. Quite honestly,
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  Speaker 1: if if we could have asked him, he's probably just
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  Speaker 1: like steaming was frustration and hurt because he realized that
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  Speaker 1: this environment is not one that is cultivating the joy
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  Speaker 1: and the hope and the love that he hoped to
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  Speaker 1: bring at that point. So we jumped right into the
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  Speaker 1: Rows ceremony. I found this to be some really interesting exits.
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  Speaker 1: Ashley who went home okay, So Victoria of course gets
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  Speaker 1: sent home and the most dramatic exit I've ever seen,
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  Speaker 1: dozen hug him says that she's he's making a huge mistake,
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  Speaker 1: that he's just giving into the hearside craziness. Hold up,
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  Speaker 1: let's pause there for a second. Have you ever seen
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  Speaker 1: anything like that? I mean, it was it's just odd.
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  Speaker 1: Without slandering anybody's name here, it was odd how these
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  Speaker 1: events occurred. Right, you have buying highlighted. You see the
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  Speaker 1: honesty from the women, Uh, you see the honesty from that,
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  Speaker 1: and then you have some people that are kind of
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  Speaker 1: like doubling down within it. Like there's name calling alongside
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  Speaker 1: of compliments, there's there's bringing people down alongside of lifting
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  Speaker 1: yourself up. There's you know, self promotion alongside of promoting
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  Speaker 1: you know, the relationship. Like it was a very confusing
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  Speaker 1: series of events that went on there, and I thought,
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  Speaker 1: no matter what, like Victoria was just gonna go home, Like,
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  Speaker 1: you know what, she could be sad, it could be frustrating.
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  Speaker 1: Everybody will have their opinions of Victoria, right, we don't
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  Speaker 1: need to to pile on there. But I thought she
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  Speaker 1: at least just go home because she knew that this
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  Speaker 1: was like her time was running out and that she
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  Speaker 1: was probably associated with most of the stories that were
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  Speaker 1: not positive. But instead she's angry at Matt. And it
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  Speaker 1: was the way that she said those things in the
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  Speaker 1: bathroom to the producer. She was like, um, Ryan is
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  Speaker 1: the shadiest bitch. I'm the only option for him. I
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  Speaker 1: can't imagine him picking an idiot. I think she was
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  Speaker 1: referrend to Katie over me, and if he eliminates me,
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  Speaker 1: I will literally die. It was very odd to watch,
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  Speaker 1: um and very hard to follow because it felt like
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  Speaker 1: it felt like there was an admittance of guilt throughout
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  Speaker 1: the entire last part of that roastum me, where she
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  Speaker 1: was like explaining, you know, she was she was bad
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  Speaker 1: mouthing every other girl in the house, which is exactly
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  Speaker 1: what the girls were getting in trouble for before, which
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  Speaker 1: is exactly what Matt spoke against. But it was like
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  Speaker 1: it was unrecognized by Victoria. There wasn't this light that
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  Speaker 1: went off to said, you know what, I should probably
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  Speaker 1: cool it on my language towards others. Instead, it was
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  Speaker 1: doubly down. And then she leaves and she says, I'll
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  Speaker 1: never you know, uh date a Matt again. I that name,
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  Speaker 1: which is just there's obviously more to the story for
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  Speaker 1: Victoria than we can understand. But she's gone, and I
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  Speaker 1: think all of us believe that the house will have
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  Speaker 1: a different tone. Um. Victoria believes, based on her words,
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  Speaker 1: that the house is really gonna miss her, that it
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  Speaker 1: will fall apart without her, and hey, she can believe
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  Speaker 1: what she believes. My personal opinion is we're going to
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  Speaker 1: see a completely different culture and environment within that house now, uh,
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  Speaker 1: for the next few episodes, up until the very end
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  Speaker 1: because of this exit, and and I'm excited personally to
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  Speaker 1: watch the house without the drama. I don't know. I
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  Speaker 1: think you gotta eliminate MJ before you can feel that,
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  Speaker 1: because MJ seems to be kind of taking over that role.
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  Speaker 1: She's a tough cookie. Uh, there's something about her energy
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  Speaker 1: that makes me uncomfortable watching, Like you'd have to watch
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  Speaker 1: every little thing you'd set around her because she like
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  Speaker 1: kind of wants to come after people. Do you disagree
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  Speaker 1: with me there? I don't know. We see uh, we
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  Speaker 1: see the episode end with a two on one date
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  Speaker 1: with m J. We're gonna talk about in just a
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  Speaker 1: second what led up to that too on one date.
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  Speaker 1: But before we take a break here, um, just to
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  Speaker 1: finally recap some of our you know, favorites initially did
• 17:19
  Speaker 1: go home. Lauren went home, Marie went home. In Catalina
• 17:23
  Speaker 1: uh were sent home. These were surprising exits for us
• 17:27
  Speaker 1: for a couple of reasons. Lauren Lauren was the most
• 17:31
  Speaker 1: surprising for me. I think Mari and Catalina share whatever,
• 17:35
  Speaker 1: like Yeah, they could have gone the cut have stayed.
• 17:37
  Speaker 1: Lauren got a group date Rose. Maybe it wasn't last week,
• 17:40
  Speaker 1: but the week before, and I really thought she was
• 17:44
  Speaker 1: gonna stick around for a while. It's kind of rare
• 17:47
  Speaker 1: to see somebody who gets a group date Rose two
• 17:49
  Speaker 1: weeks earlier end up being eliminated. That was a shocking
• 17:51
  Speaker 1: one of me. I think that's the most shocking at
• 17:53
  Speaker 1: this point. It's the one storyline. Uh, you know that honestly,
• 17:57
  Speaker 1: Like I said, uh, I love Matt James. I like
• 18:00
  Speaker 1: Matt James a lot. He's a good dude, and I
• 18:02
  Speaker 1: think a lot of these girls are good, good people.
• 18:04
  Speaker 1: I'm excited to watch the rest of the season. But
• 18:06
  Speaker 1: I was disconnected from the show because there wasn't a
• 18:10
  Speaker 1: storyline I was watching because it was always covered up
• 18:12
  Speaker 1: with drama, always covered up with the bowling, always covered
• 18:15
  Speaker 1: up with the name calling, and so Lawrence was a
• 18:17
  Speaker 1: story that I was like, Okay, once we release ourselves
• 18:20
  Speaker 1: in this drama, if we can, if Matt does that,
• 18:22
  Speaker 1: and he did this week, then we're finally going to
• 18:25
  Speaker 1: see some stuff blossom. Lawrence was when I was thinking
• 18:28
  Speaker 1: would blossom, and it didn't. Well, actually, that's the exits
• 18:31
  Speaker 1: this week. Some I'm surprising, some not so much. But
• 18:35
  Speaker 1: we are moving on to a clean slate without Victoria.
• 18:38
  Speaker 1: We're gonna talk about that clean slate because it was
• 18:40
  Speaker 1: a clean slate. It was a beautiful slate in my opinion.
• 18:43
  Speaker 1: Coming up after the break, Yes, now I feel like
• 18:55
  Speaker 1: I can kind of breathe. Uh. Rachel's date. She that's
• 19:00
  Speaker 1: the classic fairytale date, which we see a lot of
• 19:03
  Speaker 1: the times on the show, and I always, I always
• 19:07
  Speaker 1: enjoy them. Kaitlin had one, Jade had one. Now Rachel
• 19:12
  Speaker 1: has one. And I really think that the person who
• 19:15
  Speaker 1: gets this date usually goes to the top four and
• 19:18
  Speaker 1: the examples that I just gave you, that would be
• 19:21
  Speaker 1: the case that Jared had the Jared had the male
• 19:26
  Speaker 1: version of the fairytale date. Yeah, you're right, he totally
• 19:30
  Speaker 1: did at the museum with the helicopter and like fed
• 19:33
  Speaker 1: for a tux. Yeah right, um, okay, So so Rachel
• 19:40
  Speaker 1: gets it. They go on a little like trying on thing,
• 19:46
  Speaker 1: you know, she tries on the most luxurious dresses. She
• 19:49
  Speaker 1: looks beautiful, They're having fun. She's just so freaking pretty,
• 19:53
  Speaker 1: Like her skin is unreal. She has no pores, no discoloration.
• 20:00
  Speaker 1: I'm sorry, I'm like in all of her face. I know, yeah,
• 20:03
  Speaker 1: you're like monitoring her skin. I'm like, yeah, okay, cool,
• 20:07
  Speaker 1: she's she has great skins. I was saying this to
• 20:11
  Speaker 1: Jared last night and he was like, yeah, I'm like, no,
• 20:15
  Speaker 1: for girls like that is something to really appreciate. So anyway,
• 20:19
  Speaker 1: they had a great time during the day portion you
• 20:21
  Speaker 1: can just feel like it's natural and forty between them.
• 20:24
  Speaker 1: Doesn't really get us to get to know her a
• 20:26
  Speaker 1: ton better, but you know, that's usually the fun part
• 20:29
  Speaker 1: of the day. We don't really get a lot of feeling.
• 20:31
  Speaker 1: And with Rachel, I felt like going into the second
• 20:34
  Speaker 1: part of the day, I was like, I don't think
• 20:36
  Speaker 1: she's going to have a SOB story, but I want
• 20:39
  Speaker 1: to figure out like what's what's just like, what's up
• 20:43
  Speaker 1: with her? Right? And we definitely get that. The the
• 20:47
  Speaker 1: first part of the the day was telling to me. And
• 20:50
  Speaker 1: again I think this was like you had like depth there,
• 20:52
  Speaker 1: you found some death. There was the way that he
• 20:54
  Speaker 1: looked at her. That's it. I think it was that
• 20:57
  Speaker 1: clean slate. It was what we were looking for. I
• 21:00
  Speaker 1: was finally wanting to see Matt James let his guard
• 21:03
  Speaker 1: down to breathe to feel like he was enjoying this
• 21:07
  Speaker 1: process and he just didn't have to say the right
• 21:09
  Speaker 1: thing and do the right thing at the right time
• 21:11
  Speaker 1: that he could actually be in it and be on
• 21:13
  Speaker 1: a date and we could witness that date and watch
• 21:15
  Speaker 1: that date and then Rachel getting out of that car
• 21:19
  Speaker 1: and seeing how like nervous she was, and like how
• 21:23
  Speaker 1: like she just kind of wanted to like lean into him,
• 21:26
  Speaker 1: Like it was just like Matt, like hold me for
• 21:28
  Speaker 1: a second, because this is a lot, and like it
• 21:30
  Speaker 1: just to me felt like the date um that was
• 21:35
  Speaker 1: real that we will remember. Uh, And I finally felt
• 21:40
  Speaker 1: like I was watching, if not his love story in
• 21:43
  Speaker 1: the end, at least a date that could get there
• 21:46
  Speaker 1: and that we could build upon for the first time
• 21:48
  Speaker 1: all season. Breeze was good. Breeze was great, But it's
• 21:51
  Speaker 1: been weeks since we've seen it. This was the second
• 21:53
  Speaker 1: time that we've seen something like that. Okay, I totally agree.
• 21:57
  Speaker 1: But talking about exits, let's talk about her exit from
• 22:01
  Speaker 1: the car with the blue dress on Holy crap, holy
• 22:05
  Speaker 1: that dress, her in that dress, The way he looked
• 22:09
  Speaker 1: at her in that dress, so amazing, very fairytale moment
• 22:14
  Speaker 1: um then we sit down and you do just like
• 22:17
  Speaker 1: feel something between them. I even think that they're playing
• 22:20
  Speaker 1: music that's like different and more intense than the music
• 22:23
  Speaker 1: that they play when like he's on a good date
• 22:26
  Speaker 1: versus when he's on a great date and she got
• 22:28
  Speaker 1: great date music, fairytale music. Um. She says basically that
• 22:33
  Speaker 1: she's never been in love and that she just is
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: like kind of insecure with herself, especially in relationships. I
• 22:41
  Speaker 1: completely related to her because when people would be like
• 22:45
  Speaker 1: asking me, why haven't you had a boyfriend and stuff,
• 22:48
  Speaker 1: I was like, I just I don't know, like now
• 22:50
  Speaker 1: that now, not that I'm older, I think I can
• 22:52
  Speaker 1: admit that I was just scared and just like insecure
• 22:55
  Speaker 1: of how I would be in a relationship. And that's
• 22:58
  Speaker 1: how she's feeling. And I feel like Matt can also
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: sort of relate to this because for as like Studley
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: as Matt is, he also says that he's never been
• 23:08
  Speaker 1: in love, and I feel like he also has just
• 23:11
  Speaker 1: like a little bit more of a sense of innocence
• 23:13
  Speaker 1: when it comes to deep relationships. And you know, this
• 23:18
  Speaker 1: was a beautiful moment. I want to go back a
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: little bit here to Rachel and say there's a moment
• 23:23
  Speaker 1: that she became like, um my top probably after this
• 23:28
  Speaker 1: episode is when she goes, I've never owned a pair
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: of shoes over forty dollars and she puts these shoes on. Yeah,
• 23:34
  Speaker 1: it's like there's probably underestimating, but you know, yeah, but
• 23:38
  Speaker 1: like there's an appreciation, there's a gratitude, there's a holy cow,
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: this is a special moment kind of thing. And it
• 23:44
  Speaker 1: also is kind of what Matt was saying during the episode.
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: He's like, Hey, you know this is great, but this
• 23:49
  Speaker 1: isn't where I'm gonna live forever. We're not gonna be
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: able to do these kind of dates forever, and and
• 23:53
  Speaker 1: so you have to take them, you know, with a
• 23:54
  Speaker 1: grain of salt, but also be appreciative for him. And
• 23:56
  Speaker 1: then you yeah, like you said, you get to that
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: evening portion I think is a viewer, you can go, well,
• 24:00
  Speaker 1: there's great music playing, there's depth there. Um And I
• 24:05
  Speaker 1: honestly thought, Ashley that you were gonna hear Matt James
• 24:08
  Speaker 1: is a few weeks into this go I'm in love
• 24:11
  Speaker 1: with you. Like I thought he was gonna do it
• 24:13
  Speaker 1: three different times this episode. I really did, but he
• 24:16
  Speaker 1: never did. He kind of like he didn't, but like,
• 24:19
  Speaker 1: I think that could be a storyline that we watched
• 24:20
  Speaker 1: as the season goes on, because I think Matt is
• 24:23
  Speaker 1: like head over heels for a few of these women.
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: I think I don't think he knows what to do
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: with himself, and I think he's gonna start expressing emotion
• 24:30
  Speaker 1: very openly and honestly. Uh. But you know, to summarize
• 24:35
  Speaker 1: this date, do you agree with me Ashley that this
• 24:39
  Speaker 1: felt like now the first day other than Breeze, Uh
• 24:44
  Speaker 1: and maybe last week's one on one, but like this
• 24:46
  Speaker 1: is a big date to now build on. Like, I'm
• 24:49
  Speaker 1: invested into their story as a couple from here on out.
• 24:54
  Speaker 1: I've been excited for this moment between them because when
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: I was there on set, I just felt it so
• 25:01
  Speaker 1: much between him and Rachel that I was looking forward
• 25:04
  Speaker 1: to seeing a one on one. I was like, I know,
• 25:07
  Speaker 1: I'm not getting to know all the women here. It's
• 25:09
  Speaker 1: a group day I have. I don't know what they're
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: like eight to ten on there, But there's something about
• 25:14
  Speaker 1: this girl who's like speaking to me as like just
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: having the energy of somebody that I want to be around.
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: And I can see it in his eyes that she
• 25:25
  Speaker 1: is the one in this group to watch out for.
• 25:29
  Speaker 1: And yeah, when she says I'm falling in love with you,
• 25:33
  Speaker 1: I was so excited but also totally saw it coming
• 25:38
  Speaker 1: because of the expression on his face that he was
• 25:40
  Speaker 1: going to say totally feel the same way. I mean,
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: he even says, I can see myself proposing to you,
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: like I don't remember this early on. We're still pretty
• 25:48
  Speaker 1: early on in this season for somebody to be that
• 25:52
  Speaker 1: direct on the first one on one do you? I
• 25:55
  Speaker 1: mean is that common? I feel like there's been a
• 25:58
  Speaker 1: time or two and the Moose people always get to
• 26:01
  Speaker 1: top two. Oh, I think I think if I put
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: money on, I think of Vegas were throw odds on Rachel. Uh,
• 26:07
  Speaker 1: she's definitely, uh the favorite right now? Well, actually that
• 26:12
  Speaker 1: moves us. I mean, Rachel's dates incredible. This is why
• 26:14
  Speaker 1: I'm saying this is Matt james shining moment because I
• 26:17
  Speaker 1: think through every segment so far in this episode, um,
• 26:21
  Speaker 1: you and I would say that that this is Matt James.
• 26:24
  Speaker 1: Some of Matt James's most intimate moments, some of his
• 26:27
  Speaker 1: most direct moments, some of his best moments. He carries himself. Well,
• 26:31
  Speaker 1: he's honest, Uh, he's intuitive, Uh, that's what I'm saying.
• 26:34
  Speaker 1: I think this is Matt james best episode. I felt
• 26:36
  Speaker 1: like it was just coming out party to finally say
• 26:38
  Speaker 1: this is how the season is going to go. So
• 26:40
  Speaker 1: if we're Matt, I mean I almost always give Matt
• 26:44
  Speaker 1: an a plos like just always knows how to carry
• 26:47
  Speaker 1: himself in the right words to say. Um, I just
• 26:50
  Speaker 1: felt like it was so bogged down with drama at
• 26:53
  Speaker 1: the beginning in the end that that's why I didn't
• 26:55
  Speaker 1: like which I didn't love this one, but I always
• 26:59
  Speaker 1: love Matt Well. We have the heart of the episode
• 27:02
  Speaker 1: without drama. Obviously, it's hard to have drama on a farm. Uh.
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: There is a group date and uh, Matt is a
• 27:08
  Speaker 1: country boy at heart. He said he grew up on
• 27:10
  Speaker 1: a farm, he worked on farms, and now they're in
• 27:14
  Speaker 1: the farm now. So it's kind of funny because Rachel
• 27:17
  Speaker 1: goes in this beautiful date that we just talked about.
• 27:19
  Speaker 1: It's a fairy tale date. And hey, being on a
• 27:21
  Speaker 1: farm's an incredible experience. I have been on many farms
• 27:25
  Speaker 1: in my life and it's a great way to spend
• 27:26
  Speaker 1: a day. It's a great way to spend a career. However,
• 27:30
  Speaker 1: it ain't a fairy tale, and there's no dresses and
• 27:33
  Speaker 1: nice uh high heels and shoes involved in this, So
• 27:37
  Speaker 1: it's kind of funny to see the switch where the
• 27:39
  Speaker 1: girls are now having this shovel poop uh For Matt Ashley,
• 27:45
  Speaker 1: did you enjoy watching this date? Yeah? But they're just
• 27:49
  Speaker 1: really two standout moments when I look back on it,
• 27:53
  Speaker 1: and that is this was the part of the episode
• 27:56
  Speaker 1: where I started thinking, like, oh man, m J is
• 27:59
  Speaker 1: a mean girl. She seems like a girl that I
• 28:01
  Speaker 1: don't want to be around in that house. And then
• 28:03
  Speaker 1: the other big standout moment to me is that makeout
• 28:07
  Speaker 1: session with Piper. Holy crap, he loved that he had
• 28:12
  Speaker 1: an excuse to run over to Piper and he did
• 28:15
  Speaker 1: not want to stop kissing her. Well, the sad part
• 28:18
  Speaker 1: is or sad or whatever you wanna call it. You know,
• 28:21
  Speaker 1: at this point in the episode, I don't know if
• 28:23
  Speaker 1: we knew enough about m J to say either way,
• 28:25
  Speaker 1: but I think we're all getting the sense that, yeah,
• 28:27
  Speaker 1: like in J's up to something, Like there's definitely the
• 28:29
  Speaker 1: mean girl aspect in her. I think Matt's really into her, though,
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: so I think we have to watch out for that.
• 28:34
  Speaker 1: I think he really wants her to be around, and
• 28:36
  Speaker 1: so he throws the egg. He goes running. I think
• 28:40
  Speaker 1: MJ thinks that this is a really cute moment for
• 28:43
  Speaker 1: the two of them, like really nice moment for the
• 28:45
  Speaker 1: two of them. So she's gonna chase after him, and
• 28:48
  Speaker 1: then she gets her sights. She runs the corround the
• 28:50
  Speaker 1: corner and gets her sights back on her man and
• 28:52
  Speaker 1: he's making out with a different girl, like that look
• 28:55
  Speaker 1: on her face, like her heart had to drop. How
• 28:59
  Speaker 1: I I think she thought this was going to be
• 29:01
  Speaker 1: their moment to make out, but yeah, he had other
• 29:04
  Speaker 1: things in mind. So my question for you, because I
• 29:06
  Speaker 1: was watching this part of the episode, he just like
• 29:08
  Speaker 1: ran through the barn right and and Piper just happened
• 29:11
  Speaker 1: to be over there for an interview and he just
• 29:12
  Speaker 1: decided to step into dark kissing her. That's how this
• 29:14
  Speaker 1: played out. Yeah, And immediately seeing that, I was like, oh, Piper,
• 29:20
  Speaker 1: she is off that dark Horse list and onto the
• 29:23
  Speaker 1: top list. I mean it looked like it they And
• 29:27
  Speaker 1: it wasn't just like a kiss. This was like a hey,
• 29:30
  Speaker 1: I know cameras are here, I know, like you're doing
• 29:34
  Speaker 1: this a statement, but it was a statement you're right,
• 29:37
  Speaker 1: it was a statement. Yeah. Okay, so let's talk about
• 29:41
  Speaker 1: the nighttime portion of the state. We had of another
• 29:44
  Speaker 1: shining moment with Chelsea, who we loved the moment last
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: week with when she talked about her hair. She is
• 29:51
  Speaker 1: apparently very uncomfortable and awkward with boys, which I love hearing.
• 29:56
  Speaker 1: I love it. I love it when a girl who's
• 29:58
  Speaker 1: like so beautiful and like carries yourself with confidence admits
• 30:03
  Speaker 1: to still being awkward with boys. I guess it's a
• 30:06
  Speaker 1: relatability factor. Um, But Matt is Um, Matt is just
• 30:13
  Speaker 1: saying he looks at her, he looks at her good,
• 30:17
  Speaker 1: and he says that he's just really happy that she's around.
• 30:21
  Speaker 1: Talk about liking each other. I don't know. I really
• 30:24
  Speaker 1: like the two of them together. There's like so many
• 30:25
  Speaker 1: girls that I feel something with. UM. I have no
• 30:28
  Speaker 1: idea where it's going to unfold from here as far
• 30:31
  Speaker 1: as eliminations go, well, and I mean that's the thing
• 30:34
  Speaker 1: is right now, I think we could have probably stopped
• 30:37
  Speaker 1: uh and just look at this list. I mean, this
• 30:39
  Speaker 1: episode has a lot to it, right. We have two
• 30:41
  Speaker 1: rows ceremonies, Um, we have a bunch of one on ones.
• 30:44
  Speaker 1: We have a couple of group dates, like there's a
• 30:46
  Speaker 1: lot that goes on, uh during this episode, But once
• 30:50
  Speaker 1: that first row ceremony ended, I wonder if you agree
• 30:54
  Speaker 1: with me, and I would say that there is like
• 30:56
  Speaker 1: a really solid group of women left and there isn't
• 31:00
  Speaker 1: anyone that I'm looking at now as I look at
• 31:02
  Speaker 1: the you know, people left, and I would go, yeah,
• 31:06
  Speaker 1: they're on the edge, like they're going to be going home.
• 31:08
  Speaker 1: There's a few people. I would say, Serena, see, I
• 31:13
  Speaker 1: would say m J. I would say Joe, Senya. Okay.
• 31:19
  Speaker 1: So basically what I'm saying, Ben is like I can
• 31:21
  Speaker 1: predict the next row ceremony or two, but after that,
• 31:26
  Speaker 1: I'm mind boggled. And that's a great place for finally here. Actually,
• 31:30
  Speaker 1: I mean, that's what I'm trying to get to is
• 31:32
  Speaker 1: we're finally here at this season where we're like, I mean,
• 31:35
  Speaker 1: with Tasia, we kind of knew this at this point
• 31:38
  Speaker 1: in time that she was in the Zack, right, I
• 31:41
  Speaker 1: mean even two weeks after she showed up with Clear,
• 31:44
  Speaker 1: we knew she was in the Dale. Like we're back
• 31:47
  Speaker 1: to a season where it's like I have no idea
• 31:52
  Speaker 1: where Matt is going. I have some favorites, and I
• 31:54
  Speaker 1: know he does as well. Were that's very obvious to us.
• 31:57
  Speaker 1: But there are a lot of potential suitors here. They're
• 32:00
  Speaker 1: lot of potential women left that we don't know of.
• 32:02
  Speaker 1: And I think Matt, this is maybe the best part
• 32:05
  Speaker 1: is Matt is super conflicted but also super happy that
• 32:10
  Speaker 1: he has this group of women left. I think the
• 32:12
  Speaker 1: conflicting part is something actually beautiful because He's going, I
• 32:15
  Speaker 1: got a lot of great women, and I don't always
• 32:17
  Speaker 1: know what to do about it, but I've got a
• 32:19
  Speaker 1: lot of great women and I'm gonna see where these go.
• 32:21
  Speaker 1: That's a fun thing for us to watch his fans.
• 32:24
  Speaker 1: That's something that we can get into that is enjoyable
• 32:26
  Speaker 1: to us. So to finish up the night portion portion
• 32:29
  Speaker 1: of this group date, uh, we did have some great conversations.
• 32:32
  Speaker 1: It was really really beautiful. Um and he gives the
• 32:36
  Speaker 1: rose two Abigail, Abigail. He gives the rose to Abigail. Finally.
• 32:46
  Speaker 1: We see more of Abigail finally, And I mean, how
• 32:49
  Speaker 1: frustrating must the last couple of weeks been for her.
• 32:51
  Speaker 1: We've we've never doubted their relationship, we never doubted their connection.
• 32:55
  Speaker 1: I don't know if she really has either, but it's
• 32:57
  Speaker 1: gone weeks now, and it's a way to doubt it
• 33:00
  Speaker 1: this week because we've seen eliminations like Kayla's and Laurens
• 33:06
  Speaker 1: were like they get roses or they make a splash,
• 33:09
  Speaker 1: and then they're just gone with no explanation. I was like,
• 33:12
  Speaker 1: holy crap, is Abigail going to be like the first
• 33:15
  Speaker 1: person who gets the first impression rose and then like
• 33:17
  Speaker 1: they're just gone a couple of weeks into it without
• 33:20
  Speaker 1: ever seeing the development of the relationship. But that is
• 33:23
  Speaker 1: not the case this week. Abigail sat down with him
• 33:26
  Speaker 1: during that group date and talked. It was so it
• 33:28
  Speaker 1: was like so very emotional talking about how if she
• 33:32
  Speaker 1: were to have kids one day, presumably possibly with Matt,
• 33:36
  Speaker 1: that the kids could be to be deaf, and that
• 33:39
  Speaker 1: wasn't it. She also talks about how her birth father
• 33:43
  Speaker 1: left them at a young age and how the two
• 33:46
  Speaker 1: of them grew up without having a very present dad.
• 33:50
  Speaker 1: It was, you know, she's held onto this and you
• 33:54
  Speaker 1: would have loved to see us during a one on
• 33:55
  Speaker 1: one where she got more time to explain it to him,
• 33:58
  Speaker 1: but it was happened during group day and it felt like,
• 34:01
  Speaker 1: you know, for them, it was probably time to have
• 34:03
  Speaker 1: this conversation. Uh. It was like almost like I was
• 34:07
  Speaker 1: watching it, kind of like just like scrolling through my
• 34:09
  Speaker 1: phone watching the episode, and then this conversation started. All
• 34:13
  Speaker 1: of a sudden, I found myself like looking up from
• 34:15
  Speaker 1: my phone and just being like put my phone down
• 34:17
  Speaker 1: and just being like, uh, in awe of their vulnerability
• 34:20
  Speaker 1: between the two of them. They're honesty, and it felt
• 34:23
  Speaker 1: like it got like it was a sign again of
• 34:26
  Speaker 1: like how good they are together, that they can talk
• 34:28
  Speaker 1: through stuff that's important to them, they can relate with
• 34:31
  Speaker 1: each other, they can show empathy towards you each other,
• 34:33
  Speaker 1: they want to support each other. Um. It brought Abigail
• 34:37
  Speaker 1: back up in my opinion, to being a favorite, like
• 34:40
  Speaker 1: a comfortable favorite here along with Rachel and and a
• 34:44
  Speaker 1: few others that we'll talk about. But like now I'm
• 34:46
  Speaker 1: now after that conversation, I'm like, Okay, adigas here to
• 34:49
  Speaker 1: stay for a bit. Yeah, I agree, it kept her
• 34:53
  Speaker 1: through for the next couple of weeks, but I still
• 34:55
  Speaker 1: want to see them have a one on one. Then
• 34:58
  Speaker 1: at the cocktail party partition, there's m J pops up
• 35:02
  Speaker 1: again and she is confronted by Matt by being one
• 35:06
  Speaker 1: of the girls that apparently said one of the bullying comments,
• 35:11
  Speaker 1: particularly one about Varsity versus j V. The JV is
• 35:16
  Speaker 1: referencing the girls who are newcomers, and you could see
• 35:22
  Speaker 1: her getting fiery. She got mad, and of course she
• 35:27
  Speaker 1: doesn't keep it in and she sits down with Joe
• 35:30
  Speaker 1: Sena and they have a sharing of words in front
• 35:34
  Speaker 1: of some of the other girls. What do you think
• 35:37
  Speaker 1: about this, did you? I mean, obviously the bullying is horrible,
• 35:40
  Speaker 1: and j V versus Varsity is a little bit of
• 35:43
  Speaker 1: a bullying demonstration, but like, there's got to be more, right.
• 35:48
  Speaker 1: I think what we're seeing is like there were there
• 35:50
  Speaker 1: was a lot of problems going on in the house,
• 35:53
  Speaker 1: and it was festering for a bit. Right. You have,
• 35:55
  Speaker 1: maybe if you want to like like wait them. You
• 35:58
  Speaker 1: have the direct bullying Brittany, You have the name calling
• 36:01
  Speaker 1: that Victoria was bringing. You have the constant toxicity in
• 36:06
  Speaker 1: the house where everybody was kind of walking on eggshells
• 36:08
  Speaker 1: for a bit, and then you have the comments coming
• 36:10
  Speaker 1: in from this new group and the kind of the
• 36:13
  Speaker 1: older group, the comments they were making, and so it
• 36:15
  Speaker 1: all felt like probably when you're living in the house
• 36:17
  Speaker 1: that it's all wrapped up together, that it's just a
• 36:19
  Speaker 1: mean spirited environment, that it's not fun to live here
• 36:22
  Speaker 1: because every turn we make, somebody's being mean to us.
• 36:25
  Speaker 1: And so the j V Verse Varsity thing, if it
• 36:27
  Speaker 1: was said once or if it was said three times,
• 36:29
  Speaker 1: there was already a sensitivity towards uh bowling or meanness
• 36:34
  Speaker 1: in the house, and so that just kind of got
• 36:36
  Speaker 1: added to it, like it was like, yes, once again,
• 36:39
  Speaker 1: somebody makes a comment that does not make me feel
• 36:41
  Speaker 1: any better about myself. It actually makes me feel worse
• 36:43
  Speaker 1: about myself. And who's behind it, well, as we see
• 36:46
  Speaker 1: it's it's m J. Now you know there there are
• 36:50
  Speaker 1: some things that Justine you is like complaining about, saying,
• 36:53
  Speaker 1: m J, you'r three. I see three different people in you.
• 36:55
  Speaker 1: I see the person in front of map, the person
• 36:57
  Speaker 1: you are when the cameras are off, and the person
• 36:58
  Speaker 1: you are when the cameras are just on you. I
• 37:01
  Speaker 1: see three different people from you, and I don't think
• 37:03
  Speaker 1: I see that. I can see that through m J
• 37:07
  Speaker 1: as having that kind of personality. Well, and it's now
• 37:10
  Speaker 1: getting brought up and Matt, Matt is now confronting it.
• 37:13
  Speaker 1: He's reacting to this, He's saying, hey, I might see it.
• 37:16
  Speaker 1: I might not, but I want to get to the
• 37:17
  Speaker 1: bottom of it. I want to see this. And that's
• 37:18
  Speaker 1: why we see him on A two and one later on.
• 37:20
  Speaker 1: But right here, we're out in the date. We're just
• 37:22
  Speaker 1: starting to become aware, um, that there's something going on here.
• 37:26
  Speaker 1: Now I will say that I didn't and I mean,
• 37:28
  Speaker 1: if I was picky, I didn't love the way this
• 37:30
  Speaker 1: was approached, not by Matt, not by Justina, but by MJ.
• 37:33
  Speaker 1: It kind of came out without allowing a free place
• 37:37
  Speaker 1: for people to speak. It felt like, you know, there
• 37:39
  Speaker 1: was a pressure into the corner. Uh, there was the
• 37:42
  Speaker 1: you know, I'm an honest person, Um, I'm this, I'm that,
• 37:46
  Speaker 1: and it felt like if anybody were was going to
• 37:49
  Speaker 1: confront it, then they would have to get in an argument.
• 37:51
  Speaker 1: Now you can make the argument back and say, hey,
• 37:54
  Speaker 1: was it okay for somebody to go to Matt and
• 37:56
  Speaker 1: complain without confronting that person first. No, I don't only
• 38:00
  Speaker 1: ever think that's right. I don't think it's going on
• 38:01
  Speaker 1: the show or in real life. But it happened. And
• 38:03
  Speaker 1: so now we see this thing festering once again. And
• 38:06
  Speaker 1: as you said at the being in the podcast, it
• 38:08
  Speaker 1: felt like there was a drama up front, and there
• 38:09
  Speaker 1: was a drama at the end. We're gonna get to
• 38:11
  Speaker 1: that drama at the end. We're gonna see how that
• 38:13
  Speaker 1: plays out and what Matt wants to do with it.
• 38:15
  Speaker 1: But it doesn't make MJ's actions any better. And I
• 38:18
  Speaker 1: am more interested now than ever to see how much
• 38:21
  Speaker 1: of the bowling she was a part of, because we're
• 38:23
  Speaker 1: getting hints of it right now, but we haven't got
• 38:26
  Speaker 1: the clear, the clear sign that it was enough for
• 38:29
  Speaker 1: Matt to send her home. But before we get two
• 38:32
  Speaker 1: kids one on one, let's take a break here. When
• 38:34
  Speaker 1: we come back, when a breakdown kids one on one
• 38:36
  Speaker 1: and then the two on one that we see at
• 38:38
  Speaker 1: the very end of the episode and everything leading up
• 38:41
  Speaker 1: to that. With kids one on one, I thought it
• 38:53
  Speaker 1: was going to be one of those one on ones
• 38:54
  Speaker 1: that we get. We have to get one on one
• 38:56
  Speaker 1: like this every season where the girl gets eliminated on
• 38:59
  Speaker 1: the date. I thought this was going to happen specifically
• 39:02
  Speaker 1: because it was like a half day date. It was
• 39:05
  Speaker 1: join me for dinner. Kit was very excited because it
• 39:09
  Speaker 1: was personalized to her. She had already opened up to
• 39:11
  Speaker 1: him about how her favorite place to be is with
• 39:15
  Speaker 1: her mom in the kitchen, and I was like, this
• 39:18
  Speaker 1: has getting eliminated written all over it. Between that and
• 39:22
  Speaker 1: the fact that we we've seen him with kid, but
• 39:24
  Speaker 1: not like a whole ton to think that this was
• 39:27
  Speaker 1: going to definitely be going in the right direction. And
• 39:30
  Speaker 1: I also just thought, yeah, that the fact that it
• 39:32
  Speaker 1: was a half a day date and that she she
• 39:35
  Speaker 1: met him when it was dark. I was like, this
• 39:38
  Speaker 1: is gonna be so easy to just eliminate her over
• 39:40
  Speaker 1: the dinner table. But that is not how it went.
• 39:42
  Speaker 1: I really like Kit. I think she's awesome. Um she
• 39:46
  Speaker 1: is very natural and super mature seeming for one year old.
• 39:51
  Speaker 1: And they had what both of them thought was a
• 39:55
  Speaker 1: great time just making cookies. I don't know if they
• 39:58
  Speaker 1: actually made dinner, but they had fun. They had a
• 40:01
  Speaker 1: good conversation. Kit talked about the stresses of being the
• 40:05
  Speaker 1: child of someone who is so successful. Her mom is
• 40:10
  Speaker 1: Cynthia Rally, and like everybody, whether you know it or not,
• 40:13
  Speaker 1: not everybody, but most people. A lot of people have
• 40:16
  Speaker 1: stuff that is cynthor Rally in their house. Like if
• 40:19
  Speaker 1: you shop at Marshall's, you can't go through an islet
• 40:23
  Speaker 1: Marshall's without seeing something Cynthia Rally if your home or
• 40:26
  Speaker 1: if your closet, and uh, I just I like, I
• 40:30
  Speaker 1: really liked the two of them together. I don't think
• 40:32
  Speaker 1: that she's going to get super far um, but I
• 40:36
  Speaker 1: think she's going to stick around for a few more weeks.
• 40:38
  Speaker 1: I like her. I think she's just got like a
• 40:40
  Speaker 1: noble kind of personality that I appreciate. There was a
• 40:43
  Speaker 1: lot of growth that we're seeing right now with Kit.
• 40:46
  Speaker 1: You know, she was even talking about like, hey, she's
• 40:48
  Speaker 1: you know, her mom is very successful. She has these
• 40:51
  Speaker 1: expectations put on herself, but being on the show has
• 40:53
  Speaker 1: allowed her to kind of be herself again, to release
• 40:58
  Speaker 1: herself from expectations to not be a character. I thought
• 41:01
  Speaker 1: it was really great and I'm actually very intrigued to
• 41:04
  Speaker 1: see where it goes. I mean, I think she has
• 41:06
  Speaker 1: a lot to offer. I think she has a lot
• 41:08
  Speaker 1: of life experience to offer. I do think one of
• 41:11
  Speaker 1: the best things for her would be to know that
• 41:13
  Speaker 1: she doesn't have to live up to any title, expectation
• 41:16
  Speaker 1: or anything, that she can just be herself. And I
• 41:19
  Speaker 1: think if she's finding that now, I'm intrigued. Another storyline
• 41:22
  Speaker 1: that I'm interested in is to see how Kit grows
• 41:25
  Speaker 1: this season. I don't know if she'll be there. Man,
• 41:27
  Speaker 1: She's still not on my top four when it comes
• 41:29
  Speaker 1: to Matt, but she's up. She's moving up. This this
• 41:32
  Speaker 1: episode helped her UM and I thought it was a
• 41:36
  Speaker 1: great day for the two of them. I thought I
• 41:37
  Speaker 1: thought it connected them. But this was another moment where
• 41:42
  Speaker 1: I thought Matt was going to drop some like big
• 41:44
  Speaker 1: language towards her. Not maybe I love you, but like
• 41:47
  Speaker 1: I felt like he was really into her, especially as
• 41:49
  Speaker 1: soon as she walked in, he kind of put his
• 41:51
  Speaker 1: arms around her. They start kissing, they start cooking, they
• 41:54
  Speaker 1: they have this very intimate moment. I'm like, Matt really
• 41:56
  Speaker 1: likes this girl, or he wants to like this girl, uh,
• 42:00
  Speaker 1: which is a start. Uh. And And I'm I mean,
• 42:03
  Speaker 1: I was impressed with this date. I'm with you. I
• 42:05
  Speaker 1: didn't necessarily think, like, you're always bet at that stuff
• 42:07
  Speaker 1: than I am. I didn't necessarily think, hey, I'm seeing
• 42:09
  Speaker 1: the writing on the wall and this is going to
• 42:11
  Speaker 1: end in a rejection UM or her going home. I thought,
• 42:15
  Speaker 1: this isn't maybe gonna go well. Um. But I wonder
• 42:19
  Speaker 1: if that was ever even in his mind. I think
• 42:21
  Speaker 1: he was into this whole thing the whole time. But
• 42:24
  Speaker 1: it was set up like that. It was kind of
• 42:26
  Speaker 1: set up for the Hey, let's make this quick, painless,
• 42:29
  Speaker 1: let's go home, this is done. Um, but it didn't
• 42:33
  Speaker 1: and she's still here. I think that um, Matt knew
• 42:36
  Speaker 1: going into that date that it would be good, and
• 42:39
  Speaker 1: we the audience didn't know. We didn't. But well, now
• 42:43
  Speaker 1: we have a couple of solid relationships that are forming,
• 42:45
  Speaker 1: but a few that are not. Uh. The show ends
• 42:48
  Speaker 1: with a two on one date m J and Josina.
• 42:51
  Speaker 1: We see them kind of argue uh during the row ceremony.
• 42:56
  Speaker 1: We now see them on the epic two on one
• 42:59
  Speaker 1: date that one person on this podcast knows very much of. Well,
• 43:04
  Speaker 1: it's different. Why haven't they been doing real two on ones?
• 43:06
  Speaker 1: This is the second season in a row where it's
• 43:08
  Speaker 1: been a meet me before the cocktail party type two
• 43:11
  Speaker 1: on one. Yeah, this is good. This is this is
• 43:15
  Speaker 1: this one though, is what I'm interested in because it's
• 43:18
  Speaker 1: fiery from the start. They sit down, they're both uh,
• 43:22
  Speaker 1: fiery and mad, one person speaking louder than the other.
• 43:25
  Speaker 1: The other person then start speaking louder than the other.
• 43:27
  Speaker 1: It is a mess, which makes me think, actually, here's
• 43:32
  Speaker 1: what I'm gonna here's what I'm gonna believe that both
• 43:35
  Speaker 1: of them are going home after this to on one,
• 43:38
  Speaker 1: I agree because I don't think either of them have
• 43:40
  Speaker 1: really created a connection with Matt, so it's like he's
• 43:43
  Speaker 1: not losing somebody who's really developed feelings for I and
• 43:47
  Speaker 1: I think that's how this plays out. I also don't
• 43:50
  Speaker 1: think I mean, I don't know these women very well
• 43:52
  Speaker 1: right because we haven't seen a lot of them to
• 43:54
  Speaker 1: this point, But I don't think it loses a lot
• 43:56
  Speaker 1: of the up like of the season. I think if
• 43:58
  Speaker 1: we left, if these two women at home, I think
• 44:00
  Speaker 1: we're still moving on with some beautiful relationships. But uh,
• 44:04
  Speaker 1: we also see at the end of the episode kind
• 44:05
  Speaker 1: of for next week the girls are angry. S're gonna
• 44:07
  Speaker 1: She calls Katie uh the arsonist. Uh. Piper gets her
• 44:12
  Speaker 1: one on one, which I'm really excited to watch. Katie
• 44:14
  Speaker 1: calls someone pathetic, and Heather Martin joins the season, which
• 44:21
  Speaker 1: has got it like for any progress made to this
• 44:24
  Speaker 1: point with all of them kind of coming together, I
• 44:27
  Speaker 1: have a feeling that Heather Martin is going to take
• 44:29
  Speaker 1: the wrath of the House, And can I just say
• 44:32
  Speaker 1: this again, I don't want this to be a bashed
• 44:35
  Speaker 1: Victoria episode. I know everybody's going to do that this week,
• 44:38
  Speaker 1: but can we at least say that I'm really happy
• 44:42
  Speaker 1: that Victoria is no longer in the house when Heather
• 44:45
  Speaker 1: Martin's shows up, because oh my gosh, that's sweet, little
• 44:50
  Speaker 1: innocent soul interacting with Victoria. Just she would have gotten
• 44:55
  Speaker 1: it would have been it would have been really hard
• 44:57
  Speaker 1: to watch. Well. Actually that's why I think, Um, this
• 45:00
  Speaker 1: episode is Matt James is best. I think it's the
• 45:02
  Speaker 1: best of the season. Uh, we're gonna rate this episode
• 45:05
  Speaker 1: like we always do, Ashley. What you're rating for Matt James,
• 45:08
  Speaker 1: what you're rating for the episode. Matt's gonna always get
• 45:12
  Speaker 1: an A and the episode gets a BE. For me,
• 45:16
  Speaker 1: Matt's gonna get an A plus from me, and the
• 45:20
  Speaker 1: episode itself is going to get an A minus, which
• 45:22
  Speaker 1: other than maybe the first episode, um, probably even not.
• 45:27
  Speaker 1: It's definitely my favorite of the season. I enjoyed watching
• 45:29
  Speaker 1: this one the most, I was most interested in and
• 45:32
  Speaker 1: I felt like viewers, you know, this season has very
• 45:37
  Speaker 1: publicly been very down in ratings. Um, I think some
• 45:42
  Speaker 1: of that is because viewers haven't gotten invested in any stories,
• 45:44
  Speaker 1: and I think after this episode, we're gonna see viewers
• 45:47
  Speaker 1: get invested in stories. And I think we're gonna see
• 45:49
  Speaker 1: this kind of like arch going up for the rest
• 45:52
  Speaker 1: of the season. And I think it's a great thing
• 45:54
  Speaker 1: for the show. I think it's a great thing for Matt.
• 45:56
  Speaker 1: I think it's an awesome thing for the contestants. And
• 45:58
  Speaker 1: I'm excited to watch the rest of at James season
• 46:01
  Speaker 1: as the Bachelor and his pursuit to love well Ashley.
• 46:06
  Speaker 1: When we come back, we're having Natasha Parker on. She's
• 46:09
  Speaker 1: the co host of Clickbait. She's all over the place
• 46:11
  Speaker 1: right now. She's doing incredible things. She was on Peter
• 46:13
  Speaker 1: Webber season of The Bachelor, uh and uh, and we's
• 46:17
  Speaker 1: gonna do some Bachelor headlines. So we'll be back with
• 46:19
  Speaker 1: the Almost Famous podcast. Well, as promised, Natasha Parker is
• 46:32
  Speaker 1: on our podcast. Natasha Parker has been up to a
• 46:34
  Speaker 1: lot in her life and a lot recently. She is
• 46:37
  Speaker 1: the co host on Clickbait you Can Listen To Whatever
• 46:40
  Speaker 1: You Listen To podcast. She was also on Peter Webber
• 46:43
  Speaker 1: season of The Bachelor eliminated Week seven. However, she is
• 46:47
  Speaker 1: a great co host. I was just on Clickbait very recently,
• 46:52
  Speaker 1: Natasha Parker, Welcome to Almost Famous. Thank you hi guys,
• 46:57
  Speaker 1: HIHN again and I just saw you last week. Good
• 47:01
  Speaker 1: to see you again. It's good to see you. Were
• 47:03
  Speaker 1: you on click bait last week? Then I was talking everything, gossip, everything,
• 47:07
  Speaker 1: clicky everything, book. Uh. It was a good experience. It
• 47:11
  Speaker 1: was a good time. It's actually where that headline came
• 47:13
  Speaker 1: from that said, hey, Matt James doesn't know anything. And
• 47:16
  Speaker 1: I was like, that's not at all what I said.
• 47:18
  Speaker 1: I didn't say it like that, like come on, um,
• 47:22
  Speaker 1: but I guess that's what happens, uh every once in
• 47:24
  Speaker 1: a while. Natasha, Uh, you are busy with clickbait? How
• 47:29
  Speaker 1: did this all happen? Like, how did this work out
• 47:31
  Speaker 1: to have you come on as a co host? Well,
• 47:36
  Speaker 1: m where do we start? Tasha and Joe and hannah An,
• 47:40
  Speaker 1: as you know, were the original cast or the really
• 47:43
  Speaker 1: really original host for a Clickbait And Hannah Ann decided
• 47:48
  Speaker 1: that she wanted to do her other things that you know,
• 47:52
  Speaker 1: all the things that she has going on. She's cooking
• 47:54
  Speaker 1: her I mean, she's literally like I don't understand how
• 47:57
  Speaker 1: she has so much energy for Instagram. She is the instagraman. Uh,
• 48:03
  Speaker 1: and so she decided that she just wanted to kind
• 48:05
  Speaker 1: of start everybody off, and they were looking and I
• 48:08
  Speaker 1: started doing some testing with them. I of course have
• 48:11
  Speaker 1: been friendly with Tatia and I know Tasia. Joe's from Chicago.
• 48:15
  Speaker 1: I'm from Chicago. I had met him once before. And uh,
• 48:18
  Speaker 1: I think because I started doing these tea rooms on
• 48:21
  Speaker 1: Instagram Instagram Live, these little like tea rooms, people from
• 48:24
  Speaker 1: my season, people just saw that I was interested in
• 48:27
  Speaker 1: having conversations with people about almost any pretty much anything,
• 48:31
  Speaker 1: pretty much anything, And uh, I got a call to
• 48:34
  Speaker 1: do some tests and I was like, sure, Yeah, I've
• 48:37
  Speaker 1: always wanted my own podcast, so let's do it. And
• 48:40
  Speaker 1: then we just had a good vibe. They were looking
• 48:42
  Speaker 1: for a good vibe of Tassia and Joe since they
• 48:44
  Speaker 1: are the original co host, and we just had a
• 48:47
  Speaker 1: good vibe and I and I absolutely love it. They
• 48:49
  Speaker 1: are They're so funny, and we all have a very
• 48:52
  Speaker 1: different outlook on a lot of different things and it
• 48:54
  Speaker 1: just works. It does well. Um, you actually have a
• 48:59
  Speaker 1: pretty good background in media. You're a teaving producer, your
• 49:03
  Speaker 1: marketing director, you worked for HBO marketing for five years.
• 49:06
  Speaker 1: Is that what you were doing going into Peter season?
• 49:09
  Speaker 1: And are you still doing that? So I left HBO
• 49:14
  Speaker 1: in two thousand and eighteen. But yes, I had a
• 49:18
  Speaker 1: full career for ten years working as a working in
• 49:22
  Speaker 1: production and as a producer. And I've always been behind
• 49:25
  Speaker 1: the scenes. I've always wanted to be behind the scenes.
• 49:27
  Speaker 1: I never wanted to be on the on the scene.
• 49:31
  Speaker 1: That makes sense, uh, And so I decided to when
• 49:35
  Speaker 1: I left HBO. It just really the the environment. It
• 49:39
  Speaker 1: was something that I mean, I worked so much all
• 49:42
  Speaker 1: the time and I was just ready. I just felt
• 49:44
  Speaker 1: very unbalanced. I was like, I'm going to give this
• 49:45
  Speaker 1: a break. And then I got into marketing and hospitality
• 49:49
  Speaker 1: marketing and that really served me better, I guess, for
• 49:53
  Speaker 1: my lifestyle. And then I got into yoga way more
• 49:56
  Speaker 1: when I had time to actually practice yoga and meditate
• 50:00
  Speaker 1: that then I became a teacher for that after Peter season,
• 50:03
  Speaker 1: and um, yeah, so event planned. I mean I was
• 50:05
  Speaker 1: doing events when I went to Peter season, and it
• 50:08
  Speaker 1: was all under the marketing umbrella and brand marketing for hospitality.
• 50:13
  Speaker 1: So you said that you never wanted to be on
• 50:15
  Speaker 1: the scene, and then how did you sign up with
• 50:16
  Speaker 1: the show? Well, that's another thing that was just very uh,
• 50:22
  Speaker 1: very interesting. I have a I have a friend who
• 50:24
  Speaker 1: is a producer on the show. She's been a producer
• 50:26
  Speaker 1: on the show for years, and she asked me many times, like, oh,
• 50:29
  Speaker 1: would you ever do the show? Wouldever to show? I
• 50:30
  Speaker 1: was like, no, no, no, no no. And my always
• 50:33
  Speaker 1: my excuse was I'm not leaving my corporate job to
• 50:35
  Speaker 1: go beyond a TV show. I'm not doing it. So
• 50:38
  Speaker 1: when I finally left my corporate job just on my own,
• 50:41
  Speaker 1: She's like, well, you're still single, and you could potentially
• 50:45
  Speaker 1: fall in love with this guy who I've been spending
• 50:47
  Speaker 1: time with for the last two months, and knowing you
• 50:49
  Speaker 1: and knowing him, I actually think you'd like him. And really,
• 50:53
  Speaker 1: I wasn't. I just finished an event. I didn't have
• 50:56
  Speaker 1: anything else coming up for the foreseeable, you know, month
• 50:59
  Speaker 1: or two. I was like, you know what, I'm spontaneous.
• 51:01
  Speaker 1: Let's just see what happens. I might leave the first night.
• 51:04
  Speaker 1: I don't even know, And I just did it, like
• 51:07
  Speaker 1: on a whim. And I'm glad that I did, but
• 51:11
  Speaker 1: I am kind of mad at myself because I never
• 51:13
  Speaker 1: watched the show beforehand either, So that was it was
• 51:16
  Speaker 1: very hard to navigate and know what was going on.
• 51:19
  Speaker 1: And looking back when I watched the show, I was like, Oh,
• 51:22
  Speaker 1: she definitely knew what was going she knew to do that. Yeah,
• 51:25
  Speaker 1: I didn't know to do that. Yeah I didn't know that.
• 51:27
  Speaker 1: Yeah I didn't. You know, I didn't know to keep
• 51:29
  Speaker 1: my mouth shut, and I never kept my mouth shut. Yeah,
• 51:32
  Speaker 1: but you were so likable because of that. You just
• 51:34
  Speaker 1: kept it real and you said what everybody was thinking. Yeah,
• 51:39
  Speaker 1: And I got a lot of messages about that, and
• 51:41
  Speaker 1: and and it was almost frustrating for me because a
• 51:44
  Speaker 1: lot of times people didn't say things and I was
• 51:47
  Speaker 1: just like I literally looked at Peter as a boyfriend
• 51:49
  Speaker 1: and like, I know we were on a TV show,
• 51:51
  Speaker 1: but as a in real life, if you cancel a
• 51:54
  Speaker 1: date on me, I don't care what it's for, I'm
• 51:56
  Speaker 1: gonna be mad. So I gotta express that to you. Yes,
• 52:01
  Speaker 1: other girls were like, it's fine, it's okay, and I
• 52:04
  Speaker 1: was like, it's not. You're like, I have never watched
• 52:07
  Speaker 1: this show before, and I know what is right and
• 52:08
  Speaker 1: what's wrong in the world real world exactly exactly. So yeah,
• 52:13
  Speaker 1: I I definitely. I don't regret not watching it though
• 52:17
  Speaker 1: it was just coming off the show and being broken
• 52:20
  Speaker 1: up with I would have like that was the first
• 52:22
  Speaker 1: thing I did when I came home. I watched like
• 52:24
  Speaker 1: there's like on YouTube all the like famous Bachelor breakups.
• 52:28
  Speaker 1: I was like, Oh, great, it's not just me feeling
• 52:31
  Speaker 1: like this. It's fantastic. Okay, good, Well that had to
• 52:35
  Speaker 1: be fun to watch. Nothing more said than that. Well, Natasha, Uh,
• 52:39
  Speaker 1: you now find yourself as the co host of Clickbait. Um.
• 52:43
  Speaker 1: Now we talked about how you got into it, but
• 52:47
  Speaker 1: tell us about that podcast, Like, what are you hoping
• 52:50
  Speaker 1: everybody kind of gets out of it? Where do you
• 52:52
  Speaker 1: think this goes? I hope that when people tune in
• 52:57
  Speaker 1: a clickbait it is somewhere where they can feel in
• 53:00
  Speaker 1: attained but also get a real perspective and more of
• 53:03
  Speaker 1: like an inside look, because as people know, if they
• 53:05
  Speaker 1: did watch my season, I am going to say exactly
• 53:08
  Speaker 1: how I feel, regardless of it's an unpopular opinion or not.
• 53:11
  Speaker 1: And I think that in this Bachelor Nation world, we
• 53:15
  Speaker 1: tiptoe around a lot of things. And yeah, we we
• 53:20
  Speaker 1: tiptoe around a lot, and we don't have to and
• 53:24
  Speaker 1: I think we're seeing more and more real conversations happening
• 53:28
  Speaker 1: on the actual show, which is prompting hosts like you,
• 53:31
  Speaker 1: like Ben, like us to talk about these real things
• 53:34
  Speaker 1: that are going on and not being afraid of that,
• 53:37
  Speaker 1: and and same thing with Joe, samething with Tassia. There's
• 53:41
  Speaker 1: things that come up and we all have different opinions.
• 53:43
  Speaker 1: So I wanted to be a place where people can
• 53:46
  Speaker 1: here a real outlook on things, but also love and light.
• 53:52
  Speaker 1: You know, I'm all about that in entertainment in general.
• 53:56
  Speaker 1: So if we're going to have people come to our podcast,
• 54:00
  Speaker 1: of course we want them to be entertained as well.
• 54:02
  Speaker 1: And we want to you know, shoot this and talk
• 54:04
  Speaker 1: to each other. And Tasia and Joe, let me, Tasha
• 54:08
  Speaker 1: and I we go. We go in on Joe a lot.
• 54:13
  Speaker 1: It's easy to do well, you know. The well brings
• 54:16
  Speaker 1: us to this point, right, I mean, you do have
• 54:18
  Speaker 1: your opinions you're watching this season, Um, there is a
• 54:22
  Speaker 1: lot of topics to be discussed obviously that you can't
• 54:26
  Speaker 1: really dance around, Like bullying is very much present right
• 54:29
  Speaker 1: now in that house on this show. How what are
• 54:32
  Speaker 1: your opinions? How have you confronted it? How do you
• 54:34
  Speaker 1: usually speak upon these things. I try to give the
• 54:40
  Speaker 1: ladies grace in general for going on a show and
• 54:43
  Speaker 1: being so vulnerable on the show period. So I try
• 54:48
  Speaker 1: to see both sides, like you know, especially on our podcast,
• 54:51
  Speaker 1: if if Tashia and Joe feel a certain way, I
• 54:53
  Speaker 1: try to be Devil's advocate and try to talk about
• 54:56
  Speaker 1: the other way of it. I understand that bullying is
• 54:58
  Speaker 1: a big thing on are in in this season, but
• 55:03
  Speaker 1: I also understand that people take that word out of
• 55:06
  Speaker 1: context a lot. We are seeing it on this on
• 55:10
  Speaker 1: this season and making accusations about people that just you
• 55:14
  Speaker 1: don't know are true, and making that a thing and
• 55:17
  Speaker 1: being said, we do have to show people grace in
• 55:21
  Speaker 1: that world. But the disagreements, you know, Ashley, me and
• 55:25
  Speaker 1: you were dating the same guy, We're gonna have disagreements, right,
• 55:28
  Speaker 1: Completely agree with what you're saying, because there are times
• 55:32
  Speaker 1: in the house that they overuse the word bullying and
• 55:35
  Speaker 1: you're like, that's not true bullying. That's like you being annoyed,
• 55:39
  Speaker 1: that's like being a little sad. Yeah, that's you being upset. Yeah,
• 55:44
  Speaker 1: you can't use that word, but in this case, yeah,
• 55:46
  Speaker 1: it's it's true. Bullying and then to your other points
• 55:50
  Speaker 1: when you are dating the same guy and you do
• 55:53
  Speaker 1: have so many women in the house, like there's going
• 55:56
  Speaker 1: to be natural drama and you're probably going to say
• 55:59
  Speaker 1: things that you regret, Like I know, I sure left
• 56:03
  Speaker 1: up quite a few times, but like you also kind
• 56:07
  Speaker 1: of need to put it in context as to like
• 56:08
  Speaker 1: where it's happening, and that like a person can have
• 56:13
  Speaker 1: a slip and you have to be able to give
• 56:16
  Speaker 1: them grace for that one slip. Now, if it like
• 56:18
  Speaker 1: continues to be like a character pattern, that's totally different,
• 56:22
  Speaker 1: which does seem to be like with Victoria. Yeah, but
• 56:25
  Speaker 1: we want to there's something about owning it, own it
• 56:30
  Speaker 1: own the fact that you were you see yourself now
• 56:34
  Speaker 1: and you don't like what you see own that you
• 56:38
  Speaker 1: know there. I'm sure there's things that you would have changed.
• 56:40
  Speaker 1: There's things that I would have definitely changed on my
• 56:43
  Speaker 1: season as well. But when it came to the Kumbaya
• 56:48
  Speaker 1: mentality as well, let's call bullish on the Kumbaya mentality
• 56:53
  Speaker 1: also because it's like everyone being happy. I was never
• 56:56
  Speaker 1: happy and the other one on one and I didn't
• 57:00
  Speaker 1: I was not happy. No, I remember distinctively this one
• 57:04
  Speaker 1: time where I was like, this is bullsh guys, why
• 57:07
  Speaker 1: are you like clapping and cheering because she got the
• 57:10
  Speaker 1: card At this point in the competition, we're not happy
• 57:12
  Speaker 1: for everyone, and you guys are being phony and I
• 57:16
  Speaker 1: got I got a crap for that, but you're right.
• 57:19
  Speaker 1: It's just like sometimes like let's just be a little
• 57:22
  Speaker 1: real here, but not Victoria's style real. Well yeah, yeah exactly.
• 57:26
  Speaker 1: And it also then brings us into this like you're
• 57:27
  Speaker 1: watching the season, you're saying, uh, there's definitely some crap
• 57:31
  Speaker 1: going on. But the one thing that's been um tough
• 57:34
  Speaker 1: to watch, and we've talked about any times this podcast
• 57:36
  Speaker 1: and weeks previous, is you know, the drama, the bowling
• 57:39
  Speaker 1: that whatever has taken over the love stories. We only
• 57:41
  Speaker 1: have to see a lot of these love stories unfold,
• 57:42
  Speaker 1: and it's been hard to watch. Who are your top
• 57:45
  Speaker 1: favorites right now for Matt, maybe like top three. If
• 57:49
  Speaker 1: you had to choose um for Matt, I would definitely
• 57:55
  Speaker 1: say Michelle. They're one on one, seemed magical, interesting, even
• 58:00
  Speaker 1: though she was brand new, even she just it just
• 58:03
  Speaker 1: seemed like, yo, this is a like it was a fit.
• 58:06
  Speaker 1: It was and you can tell he's very competitive. You
• 58:09
  Speaker 1: also could tell that she's very competitive and like love
• 58:12
  Speaker 1: her Bree as well. Bree I picked her from the
• 58:15
  Speaker 1: way beginning just because of her story. It's very similar
• 58:19
  Speaker 1: to Matt's as well. And she just seems even though
• 58:23
  Speaker 1: she's twenty four, I think she's twenty four, she just
• 58:27
  Speaker 1: seems very mature and like, I'm a woman with a
• 58:30
  Speaker 1: plan and a mission. And after this week looking, you know,
• 58:36
  Speaker 1: seeing him and Rachel on their date, he just lights up.
• 58:40
  Speaker 1: He lights up with her, and their date was just
• 58:43
  Speaker 1: so magical too. It's like, I think about Breeze date
• 58:46
  Speaker 1: and she was all muddy, that's saying, look a nightmare
• 58:49
  Speaker 1: for me personally, but she was such a good sport
• 58:51
  Speaker 1: about it. But then I look at the shopping date
• 58:54
  Speaker 1: and I'm like, I just want to be a princess.
• 58:56
  Speaker 1: That's it. That's all. So picking that date for her,
• 59:00
  Speaker 1: I think it's also whoever got that date. He's definitely
• 59:02
  Speaker 1: really into that person for sure. Yeah. So those three
• 59:06
  Speaker 1: those are my those are my three. Al Right. Well, Natasha,
• 59:09
  Speaker 1: we loved having you. It's so nice to meeting you.
• 59:12
  Speaker 1: And you guys, if you want to listen to clickbait
• 59:14
  Speaker 1: everywherehere podcasts are and it's not just about Bachelor click
• 59:18
  Speaker 1: baby headlines. It's about like all pop culture, which is
• 59:22
  Speaker 1: really fun. Yeah, we get into a lot of relationship
• 59:26
  Speaker 1: dating stuff on our podcast and you can listen to
• 59:29
  Speaker 1: us on the one dree app on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, serious,
• 59:34
  Speaker 1: wherever you guys listen to podcasts, check us out. Well, hey,
• 59:38
  Speaker 1: you're the best. Thanks for coming on, Natasha Park everybody,
• 59:42
  Speaker 1: thank you guys. Well, it's time for Bachelor headlines. As always,
• 59:47
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna read the headline. Ashley is going to educate
• 59:49
  Speaker 1: us all on what is happening. I'll throw my two
• 59:52
  Speaker 1: cents in there because I'm always confused, intrigued and curious.
• 59:56
  Speaker 1: Ashley first headline is this, we're just kind of consolidate
• 59:59
  Speaker 1: all these head because there's a lot about Clariendale recently,
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 1: Um Claireendale. Yes, as we've spoken about many times, they
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 1: have split. Um. Now both of them have came out
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 1: publicly and talked about this split. Uh. Claire has came
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 1: out recently talked little bit more Dale's back, um saying
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 1: he's wrecked. Ashley, can you just catch us all up
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 1: on what is going on with Clarien Dale? And we're
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 1: as like, fans, where where do we need to stand? Well?
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 1: I stand with Claire. Claire got on her Instagram live
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 1: a couple of days ago, and she seemed to actually
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 1: be pretty uppyat She talked about being in a dark place.
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 1: Of course you're going to be in a dark place.
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 1: Her mom has Alzheimer's. She said that she was just
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 1: dealing with all you know, still like kind of suffering
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 1: from all the backlash that she got on social media
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 1: as being the bachelorette and then she had this huge
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 1: public breakup, Like of course she's in a dark place,
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 1: but she actually it really it seemed to be taking
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 1: a turn because she's like she's feeling good. She said
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 1: that on Instagram this week that she's happy about funny
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 1: animal videos, getting to visit her mom, a new project,
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 1: she's furniture shopping, she went on a trip with her
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 1: sister just get out and get some fresh, snowy air
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 1: in her lungs. She said that she's really loving her
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 1: post pandemic trips, her music playlist and her friends reaching out.
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 1: And in this video the Instagram live that I watched,
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 1: she was really just talking about like how grateful she
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 1: is for the little things that people have done for
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 1: her to make her feel better during this hard time.
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 1: She talked about being at the nail place and how
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 1: they kind of like just knew what she was going
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 1: through without you know, anybody saying anything because she's a
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 1: public figure. They gave her a little massage. She just
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 1: felt like she got like treated. She just feel like
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 1: she got it really, you know, treated um because people
• 1:01:59
  Speaker 1: just we're thinking about what she was going through, and
• 1:02:01
  Speaker 1: she just said, just kind of be aware of what everybody,
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 1: everybody might be having. You know, you never know when
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 1: somebody's having a hard day, so like always go out
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 1: of your way to add a little something nice to
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 1: their day. She also talked about how, um, there was
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 1: this TikTok. There's that phone viral where somebody on the
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 1: platform posted a TikTok that they had just met Claire
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 1: down in San Diego and that she wasn't friendly, and
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 1: she was like, well, just want to let you know
• 1:02:30
  Speaker 1: that I wasn't friendly right then because I had just
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 1: had a panic attack and I went outside to get
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 1: air and tried to recover from it. And I'm pretty
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 1: sure it was also the weekend that she was breaking
• 1:02:41
  Speaker 1: up with Claire, with Dale, So yeah, not the best time.
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 1: So she's like, how about taking to consideration what people
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 1: might be going through in the moment before you just
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 1: slander them. It's a wild event. Uh. Their breakup has
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 1: been it hasn't been clean, it's been everything and messy. Uh.
• 1:03:03
  Speaker 1: And obviously there's been a lot of opinions going around.
• 1:03:06
  Speaker 1: Now we don't know the insides and the out of
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 1: what happened to really cause the breakup, but you know,
• 1:03:10
  Speaker 1: there's been assumptions being made. Um, it just feels like
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 1: right now, Uh, I guess we hope that like Claire
• 1:03:22
  Speaker 1: can just move on from it because it feels like
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 1: it could be all consuming. It sounds like she's doing
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 1: a good job at it. Well. One of the relationships
• 1:03:29
  Speaker 1: coming from that season was Tasia and Zach's. This is
• 1:03:33
  Speaker 1: a really beautiful headline by people here. Bachelor A's Zach
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 1: Clark opens up about navigating his sobriety in relationship with
• 1:03:38
  Speaker 1: Tasia Adams. I think we read this headline because it's
• 1:03:43
  Speaker 1: really incredible to hear how Tassia and Zach have worked
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 1: together in their relationship already. I mean, they're pretty fresh
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 1: themselves and helping carry each other's Burdens. Yeah, so basically
• 1:03:59
  Speaker 1: never been in a relationship with somebody who's had who's
• 1:04:03
  Speaker 1: been sober, so she had an open mind about it,
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 1: Zack said. But she also didn't shy away from certain questions,
• 1:04:10
  Speaker 1: like she even said if I drink, can I kiss you?
• 1:04:13
  Speaker 1: And I was like, yeah, you're good. He says that
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 1: she kind of reserved time to learn about his sobriety
• 1:04:22
  Speaker 1: during the season so that she would be able to
• 1:04:25
  Speaker 1: understand him and what he goes through better. Um. He
• 1:04:29
  Speaker 1: also said that she's exposing herself to his personal recovery
• 1:04:35
  Speaker 1: and getting to know what that looks like, and about
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 1: getting to know his sober friends, all while living in
• 1:04:40
  Speaker 1: New York with him. It's really awesome to hear because
• 1:04:44
  Speaker 1: obviously that was something that Zac opened up about on
• 1:04:48
  Speaker 1: the show. It wasn't something that comes easy to him obviously, Um,
• 1:04:51
  Speaker 1: but to hear that, you know, that's just a sign
• 1:04:53
  Speaker 1: of an awesome relationship. Is where you're seeing the one
• 1:04:57
  Speaker 1: partners say, Okay, I know that you're not You're coming
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 1: into this relationship with stuff, right, all of us have stuff,
• 1:05:04
  Speaker 1: And how can I best be a partner to you
• 1:05:07
  Speaker 1: no matter what your stuff is? I don't know. I
• 1:05:08
  Speaker 1: just I found that to be a really incredible thing
• 1:05:11
  Speaker 1: and something that we should celebrate Tashawn and Zach uh
• 1:05:15
  Speaker 1: in their relationship. And it's a good update. It sounds
• 1:05:17
  Speaker 1: like they're doing well. Uh. Well, another headline from this
• 1:05:21
  Speaker 1: season they came out is, uh, you know Sarah Trot
• 1:05:25
  Speaker 1: who went home uh was being accused of having a
• 1:05:28
  Speaker 1: boyfriend before and now after her exit from the show. Well,
• 1:05:33
  Speaker 1: according to Entertainment Tonight, she is denying those claims Ashley,
• 1:05:37
  Speaker 1: what do we know? First off, I want to mention
• 1:05:41
  Speaker 1: she was This is not her rumored dating with um
• 1:05:46
  Speaker 1: G Easy that was last March. Apparently she was dating
• 1:05:50
  Speaker 1: another DJ DJ ju um His also his name is
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 1: Ben Dorman, and they were reported by the Sun to
• 1:06:00
  Speaker 1: having gone to Mexico in August. Um. But her rep
• 1:06:06
  Speaker 1: which I have to roll my eyes a little bit already,
• 1:06:09
  Speaker 1: she has management, Uh says Sarah unequivocally did not have
• 1:06:14
  Speaker 1: a boyfriend before, during, or after her appearance on the Bachelor.
• 1:06:19
  Speaker 1: She says that Ben and Sarah had a fun trip
• 1:06:22
  Speaker 1: with mutual friends, and while their relationship may have been
• 1:06:26
  Speaker 1: may have had some intimate moments between them, it did
• 1:06:28
  Speaker 1: not lead to a relationship. She went to Cabbo single
• 1:06:32
  Speaker 1: and came back single, and she's still on her journey
• 1:06:35
  Speaker 1: to find love, which is why she agreed to go
• 1:06:38
  Speaker 1: on The Bachelor a month or so after this vacation.
• 1:06:41
  Speaker 1: And there we go. Well that's all we know for now.
• 1:06:45
  Speaker 1: Bachelor's Queen Victoria Larson apologizes the fellow contestants amid accusations
• 1:06:50
  Speaker 1: of bullying. The quote is, according to US Weekly, I'll
• 1:06:53
  Speaker 1: do better next time. Well, is she referring to paradise?
• 1:06:58
  Speaker 1: She assuming she's going to be in paradise. Um, well,
• 1:07:02
  Speaker 1: she says that, I think in my effort to make
• 1:07:04
  Speaker 1: my opinions heard, because we know she's all about her
• 1:07:08
  Speaker 1: opinions being heard, like she discussed in that conversation with
• 1:07:12
  Speaker 1: Katie last week, it may have been perceived as I
• 1:07:17
  Speaker 1: was bullying by some and I feel if my and
• 1:07:21
  Speaker 1: I feel bad if my words are actions offended anyone.
• 1:07:26
  Speaker 1: I take each time each day to reflect and learn
• 1:07:29
  Speaker 1: the lessons. Um yeah, I'm just like not really buying it.
• 1:07:36
  Speaker 1: Like perhaps when I hear her verbally talk about it,
• 1:07:40
  Speaker 1: I'll be able to have a better gauge on the
• 1:07:42
  Speaker 1: authenticity of these of of this apology. But the fact
• 1:07:46
  Speaker 1: that she says, like, I think in my effort to
• 1:07:48
  Speaker 1: make my opinions heard, it was perceived as bullying by some.
• 1:07:52
  Speaker 1: That's just kind of like blaming other people's interpretations of
• 1:07:56
  Speaker 1: your behavior instead of like taking accountability for you actually
• 1:08:00
  Speaker 1: is having some very few moments. Yeah, I would agree.
• 1:08:05
  Speaker 1: At some point you just kind of have to own
• 1:08:06
  Speaker 1: up to it and and you have to start wanting
• 1:08:08
  Speaker 1: to understand it. And it doesn't sound like quite she's
• 1:08:11
  Speaker 1: quite there yet, and we'll see if she goes on Paradise,
• 1:08:13
  Speaker 1: will be able to understand more. Well. This will also
• 1:08:15
  Speaker 1: say that she she apologized privately, apparently to some cast members. Well,
• 1:08:21
  Speaker 1: we'll take that into consideration. It's a great start and
• 1:08:25
  Speaker 1: uh and hey, we hope that through the show everybody
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  Speaker 1: will learn a little bit of something about themselves. And
• 1:08:30
  Speaker 1: watching it back, well, you know, you you have to
• 1:08:33
  Speaker 1: see yourself in your actions and sometimes I know with me,
• 1:08:36
  Speaker 1: I didn't always love my actions, and so you have
• 1:08:38
  Speaker 1: to understand, get better, move you know, move forward, but
• 1:08:42
  Speaker 1: also know that there was you know, probably some damage
• 1:08:45
  Speaker 1: done in the wake. And so it's good that she's
• 1:08:47
  Speaker 1: starting the apology to her um and I hope it continues, Uh. Well,
• 1:08:52
  Speaker 1: speaking of apologies, Caitlin Bristow apologize to Bachelor's Chelsea Vaughan
• 1:08:57
  Speaker 1: for comparing hair stories and uh. Caitlin's quote is, I
• 1:09:02
  Speaker 1: was completely ignorant, as according to US magazine. Okay, so
• 1:09:06
  Speaker 1: what happened last week was Caitlin was watching the Bachelor episode,
• 1:09:10
  Speaker 1: as she describes in this statement, and when Chelsea started
• 1:09:14
  Speaker 1: talking about her being insecure with her hair and it
• 1:09:17
  Speaker 1: being a like an emotional attachment, you know, like car
• 1:09:23
  Speaker 1: is it could be an emotional thing. But she was
• 1:09:26
  Speaker 1: talking about how she was insecure with her with her
• 1:09:28
  Speaker 1: hair to Jason, and then she kind of just didn't
• 1:09:31
  Speaker 1: really listen to the rest of Chelsea's story, didn't see
• 1:09:36
  Speaker 1: how race played a part of it. And um, she
• 1:09:39
  Speaker 1: went on I think her Instagram or it was an
• 1:09:42
  Speaker 1: it was some sort of ad, and she compared her
• 1:09:45
  Speaker 1: hair insecurities with Chelsea's insecurities from this past episode, and um,
• 1:09:51
  Speaker 1: then you know, she quickly discovered that they are not
• 1:09:57
  Speaker 1: the same. That Chelsea's story, um about her hair is
• 1:10:02
  Speaker 1: not really something she should be relating to. And she
• 1:10:06
  Speaker 1: apologized to Chelsea in a public apology and in a
• 1:10:10
  Speaker 1: private apology Caitlin says that she feels completely completely ignorant.
• 1:10:15
  Speaker 1: She was ignorant in the moment, that she did not
• 1:10:17
  Speaker 1: listen to the rest of the story or understand the
• 1:10:20
  Speaker 1: history behind the story as to why Chelsea is insecure
• 1:10:23
  Speaker 1: over her hair. She said that she owes Chelsea apology,
• 1:10:27
  Speaker 1: which I just mentioned. She she did do publicly and privately,
• 1:10:30
  Speaker 1: and she said that she owes a lot of people
• 1:10:32
  Speaker 1: who are following her an apology for her ignorance. She
• 1:10:35
  Speaker 1: said that what she did was what I did by
• 1:10:39
  Speaker 1: going to my Instagram and doing a paid partnership comparing
• 1:10:42
  Speaker 1: my story to Chelsea's about insecurity that my hair was
• 1:10:46
  Speaker 1: just wrong. She says she feels humiliated. I am so
• 1:10:48
  Speaker 1: humiliated that I did not listen. Andy Dorfman says she
• 1:10:52
  Speaker 1: would pick Chris Souls if she did her Bachelorette season
• 1:10:55
  Speaker 1: over again. Hey, this article is according to Entertainment Tonight. However,
• 1:11:00
  Speaker 1: we have audio proof according to our in depth episode,
• 1:11:04
  Speaker 1: that Andy Dorfman actually said that to us. First. Yeah,
• 1:11:08
  Speaker 1: apparently she said it on another podcast this week, the
• 1:11:11
  Speaker 1: Hollywood Raw podcast, and now it's a headline. But guys,
• 1:11:16
  Speaker 1: if you are a dedicated almost famous listener, you know
• 1:11:20
  Speaker 1: that we broke this news months ago. We did. Well, hey,
• 1:11:25
  Speaker 1: we just had to get it out there. Anyways, Uh,
• 1:11:27
  Speaker 1: Nick File and Natalie Joy we talked about it last week.
• 1:11:30
  Speaker 1: They go Instagram official in suitet video that according to
• 1:11:34
  Speaker 1: US Weekly, So it's Instagram official if you want to
• 1:11:37
  Speaker 1: call it Instagram official, but in no way says hey,
• 1:11:40
  Speaker 1: Nick is my boyfriend. It's just Natalie posting a video
• 1:11:45
  Speaker 1: of Nick while he's playing with his um what is that?
• 1:11:48
  Speaker 1: What are those called? What's an oculus? It's one of
• 1:11:52
  Speaker 1: those virtual reality game things. Uh. So Yeah, it's the
• 1:11:56
  Speaker 1: first time that one of them has posted of each
• 1:12:00
  Speaker 1: shother on their Instagram. And I can just tell you
• 1:12:03
  Speaker 1: guys that in September Natalie said that she is the
• 1:12:08
  Speaker 1: happiest she's ever been, and yeah, Nick is probably the
• 1:12:14
  Speaker 1: happiest I've seen him in quite some time. Yeah, he
• 1:12:17
  Speaker 1: seems thrilled and uh it's very cute. So we look
• 1:12:20
  Speaker 1: forward to two more updates on that relationship. Uh. Moving forward, Well, Uh,
• 1:12:25
  Speaker 1: one relationship in Batchel Nation that's very known by the public. Uh,
• 1:12:29
  Speaker 1: Dylan and Hannah. Well, Dylan made news this week. I
• 1:12:34
  Speaker 1: would say, kind of out of nowhere. I didn't know
• 1:12:36
  Speaker 1: he felt this way. Uh it was I was reading
• 1:12:38
  Speaker 1: Twitter the next day and I was like, Wow, this
• 1:12:41
  Speaker 1: is surprising coming from him. Hannahkes came out at this
• 1:12:44
  Speaker 1: point and also said that she was dealing with the
• 1:12:46
  Speaker 1: mess that was caused. Well, Ashley explained to US Dylan
• 1:12:50
  Speaker 1: Barber slams the Bachelor franchise, claims Jed Wyatt never cheated
• 1:12:53
  Speaker 1: on Hannah Brown and many other things. This according to
• 1:12:56
  Speaker 1: US Weekly. Okay, so I think len Nooise maybe just
• 1:13:00
  Speaker 1: trying to make a splash here because he tweeted cancel
• 1:13:04
  Speaker 1: ABC and The Bachelor kind of want to air out
• 1:13:08
  Speaker 1: their dirty laundry. Mom got me riled up? Ask away, um.
• 1:13:15
  Speaker 1: Then he proceeded to talk about the franchise not caring
• 1:13:18
  Speaker 1: about people's like mental health or not looking out for
• 1:13:22
  Speaker 1: their best interests. It's like, yeah, you are a character
• 1:13:26
  Speaker 1: on the show. They're not going to always be looking
• 1:13:29
  Speaker 1: out for your best interests. Well, you, guys, I don't
• 1:13:32
  Speaker 1: understand the grammar here, but this is the quote. You've
• 1:13:34
  Speaker 1: got to understand the game. They get paid off you
• 1:13:38
  Speaker 1: doing that warrant screen time. Okay, so if you're doing
• 1:13:42
  Speaker 1: something stupid, he's saying, then they benefit from it. He
• 1:13:46
  Speaker 1: also says that it's easy to make a bad person
• 1:13:49
  Speaker 1: look worse, it's hard to make a good person look bad. Um. Yeah,
• 1:13:55
  Speaker 1: he's just like kind of blah blah blah, and he's
• 1:13:59
  Speaker 1: mad at We don't really but I think it's it comes.
• 1:14:03
  Speaker 1: It's coming from the fact that he's friends with Jed.
• 1:14:07
  Speaker 1: And he said that Jed never cheated on Hannah, which
• 1:14:11
  Speaker 1: I I didn't think that it was ever a thing
• 1:14:14
  Speaker 1: that Jed cheated on Hannah. I thought the whole issue
• 1:14:17
  Speaker 1: was that he had a girlfriend when he met Hannah.
• 1:14:21
  Speaker 1: Wasn't that the controversy. I don't think anybody ever said
• 1:14:25
  Speaker 1: that Jed was cheating on Hannah. I can't fully remember.
• 1:14:29
  Speaker 1: But it's very I mean, Jed's been great to us
• 1:14:31
  Speaker 1: in this podcast. He's done a couple of shows with us.
• 1:14:34
  Speaker 1: He's promoted his music with us. Um, we have never
• 1:14:37
  Speaker 1: talked to him. I think we've had him on and
• 1:14:39
  Speaker 1: in depth, and we spoke to him about the situation
• 1:14:41
  Speaker 1: and he claimed that it was messy and that you know,
• 1:14:44
  Speaker 1: he wasn't dating this girl at the time. I thought that, Yes,
• 1:14:46
  Speaker 1: I think I remember that being the thing, but it's
• 1:14:48
  Speaker 1: very obvious that Dylan had a lot of build up frustration.
• 1:14:52
  Speaker 1: I mean he and it's not the first here recently, right,
• 1:14:55
  Speaker 1: we saw it with Luke Parker. Well, Luke Parker, as
• 1:14:57
  Speaker 1: we uh you know announced was was actually sued by
• 1:15:02
  Speaker 1: the Bachelor franchise. Um, but it felt like Dylan had
• 1:15:05
  Speaker 1: a lot held up. He expressed it via Twitter, uh
• 1:15:09
  Speaker 1: and I mean as Hannah kind of mentioned like, there
• 1:15:12
  Speaker 1: was a lot of reaction to it. This became a headline.
• 1:15:14
  Speaker 1: It's still a headline today a couple of days later. So, um,
• 1:15:19
  Speaker 1: we'll see where this goes and if if Dylan, I
• 1:15:21
  Speaker 1: don't know if Dylan has came out publicly yet and
• 1:15:23
  Speaker 1: said anything about it, but it definitely came out of nowhere.
• 1:15:26
  Speaker 1: For me, had no clue he felt so strongly about this. Well,
• 1:15:31
  Speaker 1: former Bachelor at Hannah Brown spotted holding hands with model
• 1:15:34
  Speaker 1: Adam Woollard. Well, as we reported a week or two ago,
• 1:15:39
  Speaker 1: Hannah's got a new man, and I think a lot
• 1:15:44
  Speaker 1: of the blog the bloggers picked up on it, a
• 1:15:47
  Speaker 1: lot of the sleuthors out there rather, they picked up
• 1:15:50
  Speaker 1: on it. And now I think we get our confirmation
• 1:15:53
  Speaker 1: by the fact that they're holding hands on a weekend
• 1:15:56
  Speaker 1: stroll an Abbot Kinney around Venice Beach. It's cute and
• 1:16:02
  Speaker 1: uh and obviously, uh, we can probably say officially that
• 1:16:06
  Speaker 1: Hannah Brown at least has an interest, like she's at
• 1:16:08
  Speaker 1: least she she's in something, she's dating. Good for Hannah Brown,
• 1:16:13
  Speaker 1: she's back at it, she's back on the market. Things
• 1:16:16
  Speaker 1: are going well. Well, that's all the headlines we have
• 1:16:19
  Speaker 1: for today. Ashley, Um, let's break down some listener emails.
• 1:16:25
  Speaker 1: Some of them really uh hit home, especially when it
• 1:16:28
  Speaker 1: comes uh to this episode. I'm gonna start with this one. Um,
• 1:16:33
  Speaker 1: just the easy one to get a started. Liz asked,
• 1:16:35
  Speaker 1: how do you decide who reads the date card? Does
• 1:16:38
  Speaker 1: production say who has to read it? Ashley take it away?
• 1:16:41
  Speaker 1: Yes they do. It's pretty simple, pretty simple answer there.
• 1:16:45
  Speaker 1: They just kind of pull aside a girl and say, hey,
• 1:16:50
  Speaker 1: the door is gonna know, there's gonna be a knock
• 1:16:52
  Speaker 1: at the door soon. You you run and go get it.
• 1:16:55
  Speaker 1: I think it's usually uh, you know, they arrange it
• 1:16:57
  Speaker 1: so obviously the person who's not going on the one
• 1:17:00
  Speaker 1: on one is reading the day card for themselves. Yeah. Yeah,
• 1:17:04
  Speaker 1: it's uh, it's but it never is that big a deal, right,
• 1:17:07
  Speaker 1: Like it's never like, oh my gosh, I want to
• 1:17:09
  Speaker 1: get the day card. Like I've never seen anybody get
• 1:17:12
  Speaker 1: too excited about that. Um hey, Kimberly asks. Over the years,
• 1:17:17
  Speaker 1: we could laugh at Karen and Demi and the plenty
• 1:17:21
  Speaker 1: of other villains that have appeared, but we've always had
• 1:17:24
  Speaker 1: the opportunity to learn more about them, grow to like them,
• 1:17:27
  Speaker 1: or at least be neutral. The level of bullying that
• 1:17:29
  Speaker 1: has gone on this season is atrocious and cringeworthy and
• 1:17:32
  Speaker 1: has no business being supported or promoted as entertainment. It
• 1:17:36
  Speaker 1: isn't entertaining to watch, as most moments with the girls
• 1:17:39
  Speaker 1: take me back to moments in grade school in high school.
• 1:17:41
  Speaker 1: I would agree. I wish I could erase from memory.
• 1:17:44
  Speaker 1: It's awful to wash watch friendships grow over buling at
• 1:17:48
  Speaker 1: the expense of others. My husband put it best, it
• 1:17:51
  Speaker 1: just looks like the beginning of the end of the Bachelor. Wow.
• 1:17:55
  Speaker 1: Whoa wow. Well, I think that what's going to happen
• 1:18:00
  Speaker 1: is they're just going to take this feedback from the
• 1:18:02
  Speaker 1: fans because we all hate the bullying, and we hate
• 1:18:06
  Speaker 1: the girl, and we hate you know, this women not
• 1:18:09
  Speaker 1: supporting women thing that they're doing right now, and I
• 1:18:11
  Speaker 1: think they just won't do it again. I just feel
• 1:18:14
  Speaker 1: like they'll they won't cast somebody like Victoria. They know
• 1:18:18
  Speaker 1: now that we love villains that we can learn to
• 1:18:21
  Speaker 1: love like Demi or like Karin, not just straight up
• 1:18:26
  Speaker 1: villains who have like no character development beyond that. Jennifer
• 1:18:31
  Speaker 1: asks or writes us to start, I'll say this, I
• 1:18:34
  Speaker 1: don't I didn't really like Matt was chosen as the Bachelor.
• 1:18:38
  Speaker 1: Nothing personal, but as a die hard Bachelor Nation fan,
• 1:18:41
  Speaker 1: I was not loving that he was chosen as a
• 1:18:43
  Speaker 1: lead without ever being on the show. That being said,
• 1:18:46
  Speaker 1: I have no problem admitting he is quite possibly in
• 1:18:48
  Speaker 1: my top three Bachelor's. I love Matt more and more
• 1:18:51
  Speaker 1: every week. What I don't love is the toxic behavior
• 1:18:55
  Speaker 1: from some of the women on the season that I find.
• 1:18:59
  Speaker 1: It seems I or his pattern is to pick one
• 1:19:01
  Speaker 1: girl she deems a threat or just an easy target,
• 1:19:04
  Speaker 1: and focus on how she can get that girl out.
• 1:19:08
  Speaker 1: First it was Maryland, then it was Sarah, Now it's
• 1:19:10
  Speaker 1: New Girls. I mean. Then she goes on. Jennifer goes
• 1:19:14
  Speaker 1: on to say the mean commons and Bowling are not
• 1:19:17
  Speaker 1: only appalling, but so disgusting. I'm wondering your input as
• 1:19:20
  Speaker 1: two people who are connected to the franchise. Um, you
• 1:19:27
  Speaker 1: go first, Yes, I agree. Um, I don't think has
• 1:19:31
  Speaker 1: actually just said this will continue. I think what the
• 1:19:34
  Speaker 1: show will do from here on out is to allow
• 1:19:36
  Speaker 1: the lead to become aware of these situations earlier on,
• 1:19:40
  Speaker 1: so we don't see it for a few weeks. Uh
• 1:19:42
  Speaker 1: so the lead cann then step in and hopefully stop it.
• 1:19:45
  Speaker 1: I mean, you know, the one criticism of Peter is
• 1:19:48
  Speaker 1: he didn't stop drama. He knew of it and he
• 1:19:50
  Speaker 1: didn't stop it. I think with Matt and most leads,
• 1:19:53
  Speaker 1: they usually try to stop it, and so I think
• 1:19:55
  Speaker 1: the show will show the lead stepping in and saying, no,
• 1:19:57
  Speaker 1: this isn't okay, we need to to be her here.
• 1:20:00
  Speaker 1: I think that's how they'll stop it from happening. Um,
• 1:20:04
  Speaker 1: but I agree. I love Matt James as a Bachelor.
• 1:20:07
  Speaker 1: I think he's great. I think it was unfun to
• 1:20:10
  Speaker 1: watch his season because of the drama that was unfolding
• 1:20:13
  Speaker 1: around him. I think it will be better from here
• 1:20:16
  Speaker 1: on out, or at least I hope so. Like I
• 1:20:19
  Speaker 1: said earlier in the episode, I do think that once
• 1:20:22
  Speaker 1: this Ja Sena m J thing is resolved, we won't
• 1:20:26
  Speaker 1: have to deal with the drama anymore. And like I
• 1:20:29
  Speaker 1: just said, I do think that they're going to listen
• 1:20:32
  Speaker 1: to the fans and give more of a romantic Tasia
• 1:20:36
  Speaker 1: esque season next time around. That's right. Carly reveals whether
• 1:20:41
  Speaker 1: or not she'll get back together with Evan. Okay, so
• 1:20:44
  Speaker 1: Carly really, uh, she put a lot out there this week. First,
• 1:20:50
  Speaker 1: she says that she's just terrified of the idea of
• 1:20:53
  Speaker 1: dating again. She never planned on doing it. Then, when
• 1:20:56
  Speaker 1: asked if or I don't even know, she was asked,
• 1:20:59
  Speaker 1: I think she just kind of off it up. She
• 1:21:01
  Speaker 1: was like, would Evan and I ever get back together?
• 1:21:04
  Speaker 1: She said, it takes two to make that happen. Um.
• 1:21:09
  Speaker 1: Then somebody said would you ever be on the Bachelor
• 1:21:14
  Speaker 1: franchise again? And she said that she'd be so embarrassed.
• 1:21:17
  Speaker 1: She said, when I think about that, I just start
• 1:21:20
  Speaker 1: laughing because I can't even imagine walking up to Chris
• 1:21:23
  Speaker 1: Harrison and being like, here I am again. I'd be
• 1:21:26
  Speaker 1: so embarrassed. It didn't really work out for me, So
• 1:21:29
  Speaker 1: what makes me think it would happen? Yeah, that that
• 1:21:33
  Speaker 1: would be kind of funny. I would I would agree,
• 1:21:36
  Speaker 1: Like I think I would be embarrassed at that point. Actley,
• 1:21:39
  Speaker 1: what a great episode, horrific job today, terrific episode on
• 1:21:43
  Speaker 1: Matt's part, and uh for the season of the Bachelor. Uh,
• 1:21:47
  Speaker 1: we'll be back next week breaking down another one of
• 1:21:50
  Speaker 1: Matt's episodes. We have some really exciting stuff that I
• 1:21:53
  Speaker 1: don't want to announce yet that will be coming up
• 1:21:55
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• 1:21:57
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• 1:22:00
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