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Mark Hancock: The Attack on Boys And The Need For Trail Life USA · Worldview Matters With David Fiorazo

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  Hello again, friends. Very important topic today and I'm going to go to traillifeusa.com.
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  We've got our guest, Mark Hancock, while introducing him in a minute. But I want to quote today's guest,
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  and then we'll get to him. He said in the face of a cultural tide insisting that truth is relative,
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  and masculinity is toxic. A remnant is rising. This remnant is made up of young men grounded
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  in faith, fortified by character and equipped with leadership skills honed through experience.
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  We'll be right back on World View Matters. Welcome to World View Matters, discussing controversial
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  issues, discerning current events, defending biblical Christianity. No topic off limits.
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  And now here's your host, David Firazzo.
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  Associate pastor who was also a ministry pastor in college and a youth pastor, a homeless ministry
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  director and global event director for an international ministry. He holds two master's degrees
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  in the mental health counseling field, and he spent time in private practice. He is the author of
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  Trail Ready 101 devotions for dads with boys. And Mark was also named to the American Family
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  Association's 40 Faithful. I love that organization. Mark lives near Greenville, South Carolina with
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  his wife of over 35 years. Mark Hancock, thank you so much for your time today. Good to see you.
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  David, it's pleasure to be with you again. So thank you. So when we first talked, it was years
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  ago on the radio. So people didn't see you, which you know, think what you will about that, friends.
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  But we talked about the problems at that time with the Boy Scouts. There was a lot of upheaval
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  with some of their compromise and some of the letting homosexual men in the organization. And
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  it just went down from there, it seems. So tell us about your involvement in getting Trail Life USA
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  off the ground. Yeah, well, it's an interesting history to watch this organization, 115-year-old
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  Boy Scouts of America that gave us presidents and astronauts and senators and more generals and
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  great, great men over the years decided in 2013 that they're going to begin to abandon some of
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  the more traditional tenants and values that they had held for years. And out of that, about 300
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  volunteers across the country said something needs to be done. And Trail Life USA was started. We
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  launched on January 14, 2014. And now we've grown to over 1,300 troops, 65,000
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  trailmen across the country in all 50 states. And doing what you expect from outdoor boys organization,
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  hiking and camping and fishing and troops and patrols and uniforms and handbooks or robust
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  words for them, everything you would expect except we're unapologetically Christian. And we're
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  boy focused, which means that we believe that boys and girls are different, which isn't something
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  that the Boy Scouts believes anymore. Well, it's interesting how you hear that and it's common sense,
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  but today with what's been happening in our culture of delusion and confusion, wait, boys and girls
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  are different and they were created by God. You know what I mean? You can kind of go, well,
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  maybe 50 or 100 years ago, there was no problem with that. You know, I often ask the question,
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  what would our great grandparents think? So Mark, what would our great grandparents think about
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  the necessity to start this new organization trail life USA when they knew about the Boy Scouts.
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  And as you said, it was once honorable, reputable, but just like a lot of other organizations,
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  nonprofits, corporations, the compromise away from the biblical worldview, maybe politically correct.
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  You know, so I mean, it's just sad, as you said, that that has happened, right?
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  Yeah, it's tragic. And it's with the scary part, just how quickly this has become the norm,
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  this and to where you're now countercultural, if you say things like boys and girls are different,
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  when every legitimate science would point to the biology, psychology, chemistry,
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  any legitimate science knows that boys and girls are different. And that boys should have their own
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  program that's aimed at their strength, the same ways girls need a program that's aimed at their
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  strength. It's not a value statement. It's not like boys are better than girls. It's just that
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  they're different. And boys have paid a price under a culture that doesn't, that doesn't account
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  for their wonder and their marvel and their, their, their uniqueness of the creation of a boy.
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  And now their choice is likely to be in special education three times more likely to have ADHD.
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  They've followed behind girls in every single academic category. And as now more girls go into
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  college, getting master's degrees, doctoral degrees, bachelor's degrees, and boys, it's really
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  tragic what's happening. I can tell you where boys are leading. They just tend to 14. It's the
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  fastest growing demographic for suicide, which is really sad. So this kind of cultural acceptance
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  of boys girls the same or somehow interchangeable has left boys really behind like there's some
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  sort of a defective girl or some kind of social disease that needs to be eradicated or excused or
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  labeled toxic. And it's really, it's really tragic what's happened. So trail of USA was built
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  designed to recognize the wonder of boys. It's counter cultural in terms that we believe that you,
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  the only way to raise godly boys is to surround them with godly men and, and unapologetically
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  Christian. We give them a foundation to grow from that that's, that's really making a difference.
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  And families are more and more family families are seeking us out every day.
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  You know, I love the fact that you say unapologetically Christian. And I have to ask, I'm sure
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  you've gotten some resistance and some flack from some in our culture that think you're you guys
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  are whatever homophobic or, or too narrow-minded or too, you know, your Christian, whatever they
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  label you as. How do you respond to that? Yeah, you know, that's interesting. When we first got
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  into this, I mean, we really got in there to help boys because we recognize the price that they
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  would have to pay with the changes that that Boy Scouts was bringing about. And we also know that
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  churches would be in trouble. Churches that charter Boy Scout troops that have different beliefs
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  and different doctrines, doctrines quote unquote than they do would be in trouble and that there's
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  501c3 could be challenged. But we set out to say, you know what? We're going to be different. And
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  we're not just an outdoor organization's having a Christian experience. We are at our core,
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  a Christian ministry that uses the outdoors to turn boys into godly men. If there was a better way
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  of doing it, I would be doing that. That we've discovered this magic of the outdoors, this wonderful
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  place for boys and men and and and and we're seeing it make a difference. Not just in the boys,
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  but in the men and and single moms that have put their boys in the program and say, hey, I need
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  I want to surround my my boy with with good strong men. Fathers who are trying to connect with
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  themselves men in our program who don't have a son in the program, but they're there because they
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  found their brotherhood, their band or brothers, these guys who share their values and are focused
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  on the next generation. So this is powerful thing across the board that that that's making a
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  difference in men and their families and and boys without dads and with dads and this
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  relationship with the son and certainly difference in the boys to counter this cultural tide that's
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  against them. And I really believe David that we're just not creating a generation of boys that's
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  going to be able to stand against the tide. But we're building a generation that's going to turn
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  back the tide itself. That's going to stand against these sort of nonsensical kind of things
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  that we've adopted as a culture and and and re engage themselves with the truth that we've known
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  for generations and and and and and we're seeing that. We're seeing people who are rushing to this
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  because they're saying, hey, that makes sense. Parents, any engaged parents can tell you that their
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  son is different than their daughter or any teachers paying attention to tell you boys and girls
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  are different. So what's wrong with with recognizing that we need an organization that that's
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  aimed at them and we're unapologetically Christian because it takes us a strong a strong foundation
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  but you can't talk to a boy about right or wrong or good or bad if you don't have some sort of
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  foundation for truth. So the word of God is our foundation for truth and boys will embrace that
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  when they understand there's a foundation something behind what it is that's you're telling them
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  they'll push up against it but but they'll say, okay, I get who you are and that's kind of who we
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  are and when we sit on an apologetic part we say, hey, you don't have to join us, you don't have
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  to like us, you don't have to agree with us but this is who we are and our and our and our members
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  and our churches and in the boys are bold enough to say that. So I wish there wasn't a need
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  for an alternative to the boy scouts but thank you for what you're doing.
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  TrailLifeUSA.com you started in 2014. Before we get to some I want to just share some of the
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  quotes from other your other interviews talk a little bit more about trail life but I want to also
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  mention your devotional trail ready. It came out in the last nine months 101 devotions for dads
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  with boys so I know you've been either co-author or an author of other books but what took you
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  on this path to to come up with a devotional? Yeah well you know in a culture that discounts
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  boys and discounts men I really felt like it was important to write a devotional for men that's
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  written in this in style that men like to read it's not deep theological doctrinal kind of stuff
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  but it's something that he can read ponder and put to work that day with his son so if he has a
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  boy in his household that he's that he's raising it kind of reminds him of his role there
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  reminds him of the strength of his boys helps him to understand what's different about his boy
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  that that that that maybe isn't the same as his girl so it's just these little pieces but what
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  I love about it is is on one page you get the devotional on the facing page you have a day hike
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  and these beautiful pictures of actually show you the inside these beautiful pictures on
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  on every every devotional page has a day hike somewhere oh yeah and so in a description of that
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  hike and so really cool thing David is I had a dad sent me a picture of him and his son they had
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  the devotional open up to the page of Hawaii day hike and he was standing in the spot where the
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  picture was taken so it's a great opportunity to remind dads of who they are listen
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  dads are still the most powerful voice and the lives of their sons and and we we still have that
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  we still own that unless we give it up and so it reminds we're reminding men who they are because
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  they're being shamed at every turn and so instead of shaming them with a devotionalist or something
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  it says hey you need to read more pray more date your wife more whatever it is you need to do more
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  what's on no you already have these superpowers this is who you are let's just let's just let's
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  just activate these skills because you are the most powerful voice in the life of your son
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  so young moms if you have boys you can go to traillifeusa.com look up the book or it's on amazon
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  that's often easier for people trail ready 101 devotions for dads why do I say that well mother's
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  day is coming up but right after that the month after that father's day this would be a great gift
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  for dad if you've got young boys so I want to ask you mark it says trail life USA partners
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  with churches and parents across america and how do you do that how do you how would a church
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  contact you or what does that relationship look like yeah well we consider ourselves an outreach
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  of the local church we're not just not meeting in their basement we are a ministry of that local
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  church in fact this is an interesting statistic and that 18% of our adult members join the local
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  church after they join the troop that meets there so that connection between the church and the
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  troop is really strong we have a specific role in every troop called the troop ministry liaison
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  and that man's job is to connect the troop to the church and connect the church to the troop
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  so the troop is serving the church and the church and troop are working together to make a
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  difference in the community you can invite a boy forever to come to sunday school and he may or
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  may not come but if you ask him to go hiking or whitewater rafting or camping or fishing or
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  white you know repelling or something that boy is going to show up and what we see over and over again
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  is that unchurched boy joins the troop and then the unchurched family joins the church so we are
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  an outreach we partner with the church and we don't charter every church and we charter churches
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  that we have a predatory and statement of faith that they have to align with and then we also have
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  a statement of values that talks about things like the definition of a marriage and so sadly there's
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  more and more denominations that we can't charter but the ones who are with us agree with the
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  definition of marriage and one man one woman those sorts of things those sorts of values
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  that we're reaching back and and maintaining for the boys that we are ministering to
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  so on the website traillifeusa.com friends you can just scroll over how it works there's a program
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  introduction and overview and frequently asked questions mark in about a minute here I wanted to
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  just quote you or quote this press release on traillifeusa and let you explain something to me it says
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  too many boys are turning to virtual worlds of TV video games digital media and their internet
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  to find realms they can conquer in areas where they can excel when I was young I knew what when
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  my parents said go outside and play I knew what that meant is that how big of a challenge is
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  that with today's young men your boys today's boys they're they're all about the machines right how
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  hard is that of an adjustment maybe for traillifeusa to get these guys engaged yeah well when we
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  reintroduce them to the kind of thing that you're talking about they're excited about it but but I
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  got to tell you the truth we've kind of driven them to those games when through participation trophies
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  and nobody keeps scoring those kind of things we put boys in position where they say the boys
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  are drawn to risking competition so we put them in position where you know you're not going to get
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  to risk in competition because you're going to get hurt or maybe you're not brave enough or maybe
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  your feelings gonna hurt maybe this is too hard for you and you're not going to win and so we
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  tell them that over and over again in the real world then they find this beautiful virtual world
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  that's designed for them because score is kept there's levels they fail and if they try harder they
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  succeed and they feel good about themselves overcoming a challenge we've removed that stuff from
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  the real world so we can criticize them for playing video games but at some point we have to own our
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  part in that and that we have taken risk in competition out of the lives of boys we bubble wrap a
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  minute society that's afraid they're going to get their feelings hurt they're going to get
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  and every time we shield them from something that they may hurt them we're telling them you're not
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  brave and so it's no wonder that we have more young men living at home than since we started
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  counting that in the census in 1960 this failure to launch is because they haven't learned to get
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  out there and fail to try something hard and then if you fail get up and try it again video games
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  repeat the teach them that lesson over and over again the real world shields them from it so no
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  wonder it's a scary place we don't let them fail and I'm really concerned we're raising a generation
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  narcissistic unproductive narcissist where they're unproductive because we don't expect anything
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  them in their narcissist because we don't let them fail but if we can give the boys opportunities
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  for real world adventures real world risk and competition challenge I could provide in trail
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  life we're building boys who understand that failure isn't the end you get up and you try harder
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  so if you hike for for five days to the summit of a mountain you don't quit you push through
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  you're really sore you're hurting you can't carry a pack another step but when you stand on the
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  top of the mountain you learn and you're about yourself I can do hard things and it's worth it
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  and that is gold solid gold for raising boys in a culture the discounts them great explanation
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  friends we'll be right back with Mark Hancock and trail life USA we'll be right back
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  months we got this up it's youtube I'm sorry it's world view matters David Fiorazo on youtube so
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  mark Hancock's our guest tonight trail life USA dot com did I say tonight it's daytime so
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  mark I had John Cooper the lead singer of skillet on last year he wrote a book called Wimpy Week and
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  Woke now he's talking about other things and just our culture and society but isn't that indirectly
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  in way the way we're the messaging that young boys are getting because it's almost like you we've
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  heard of toxic masculinity there's been an attack on well the the patriarchy or being male in our
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  society being a man you know and it's it's something like we've never seen happen before
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  yeah not allowed to be men go share your thoughts on that yeah it really is something and when
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  you become sensitive to it as I'm sure that you are then you start to see it everywhere and
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  sometimes it's subtle I remember not so long ago I was down at Kennedy Space Center and walked
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  in to exhibit there and they had this huge video across the whole front wall and there was an
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  astronaut a woman astronaut and the video she's talking to a room full of kids in the video see the
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  backs of their heads and silhouette and she's telling you can do anything you got to work hard and
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  school and and she's given this great inspiration speech and say man I wish my sons were here
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  they would love to hear this and this is the kind of message I want them here and the camera came
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  around behind her and face the show the kids faces and it was all girls oh my goodness so the
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  message in that room was girls can do anything girls girls so I realized what they were trying to
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  do because girls girls need to need to hear that but so do boys and I was so thankful that my
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  sons weren't there because they would say oh this this message isn't for me and so in subtle
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  ways we're shaming boys like this like I said earlier like there's some kind of defective girl
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  why can't you sit still and be quiet like Susie and it's really tragic because
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  boys aren't built for the same thing that girls are built for and but they're in a society they're
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  sitting in classrooms and they're they're everything everything around them is structured for
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  sit still be quiet pay attention and they're just not wired for that so everywhere they go they
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  feel like they don't fit and it's no wonder that they're struggling like they are so I'm reading
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  someone the press release there and that's interesting when it was Susie said that I thought okay
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  that's more evidence of DEI right oh my goodness so in the press release it says you know talks
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  about we celebrate the heroic deeds of people like George Washington Paul Revere Abraham Lincoln
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  Ulysses S. Grant and others and it says today rather than exalting men for their significant
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  contributions our culture is dismissing the heroism of fathers and forefathers and choosing instead
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  to emphasize their shortcomings Mark Hancock how did that come to be accepted in a way
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  in our culture in a country like America well we have to take responsibility for part of that
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  because at some extent some of us have failed and we failed miserably and publicly but not all
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  of us have and both but men are painted with this broad brush and in an in a society that that
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  distance itself from biblical values you're gonna find that you're gonna find failures of character
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  you're gonna find men men who men who fail but that doesn't mean that all men will fail you
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  certainly there are bad men but they're not all bad and so that's why we're in the business now
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  we've had over 120,000 men come through trail off USA and we've learned a thing or two about what
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  makes them do things like go out and sleep on the ground you know and go out and give up a
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  weekend to go outdoors in the rain or whatever we've discovered that men want to be inspired they want
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  to be challenged they want to be guarded something bigger than themselves they want to find abandoned
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  brothers that's why that's what creates the greatest generation that will storm the beaches
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  and normative free the world of tyranny or will cross an uncharted ocean and a boat or get on
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  top of a rocket ship to go to another planet that's how you build that is by giving
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  boys real world experience in the company of men to show them what a man is like you know when
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  you got a Supreme Court justice that can't give you the the definition of a woman how is an
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  eight year old or ten year old boy going to define what it is that a man is without when he
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  doesn't have an example one or four boys now doesn't have a father in the household 76% of
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  public school teachers you know eighty something percent of science go teachers your female
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  so girls have these wonderful role models that they can look to but boys are lacking these models
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  and so it makes sense that that what we're seeing is is is a failure in men one we expect it
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  and then we really promote it and averageize it but we don't spend time talking about
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  men of of character and men of conviction they're kind of discounted on our side I'm telling
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  trail men all the time the adult leaders cross the country listen it's more likely that they'll
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  burn you at the stake in the public square than they'll build a statue in your honor but do it
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  anyway you do it anyway because you're right and it's the right thing so what are some of the other
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  activities yet I think you mentioned camping typical to from what most people remember the boy
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  scouts used to do or maybe still do I don't know but what kind of activities do you guys do when
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  we go on these trips yeah well it's across the board you know like I said we're all 50 states of
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  different geographies all across the board that anything from a troop that submitted
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  mountaineer not too long ago to a troop that did a 10-day hike across Iceland backpacking
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  to a weekend campouts in a local state park or a national park or a week to last last July
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  I went paddle 105 miles down the Missouri River with it with a group of men and boys
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  through through Montana just it's it's amazing the opportunities that are out there when you begin
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  to look for them so trips out all the time doing just incredible things with the outdoors.
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  So for churches again do they go right to your website traillifeusa.com and say hey let's work
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  on something and whatever city we're from well how do you advise a pastor or someone from a church
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  that wants to get something like this going through traillifeusa in their church yeah well you
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  said that tap at the top that says get connected they click on that and they can find a troop
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  or they can start a troop and if you click on find a troop it shows a map the United States if you're
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  on a if you're on a desktop and you can put in your zip code to show you the troops that are nearby
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  you click on them connect with the troops say hey can I can we come visit you where do we find you
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  what time do you meet or if there's not a troop in the area and you click on start a troop and
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  it walks you through the process we have 20,000 adult volunteers across the country who help you
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  get your church up and run and engage with the trail of USA troop wow I just did that it's really
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  easy and interactive and there's one a few miles from here I didn't even know that so that's great
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  so you can see in all the states there you can see all the dots and where where there are troops
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  and of course people can start them too closing minutes here Mark
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  how do you think the confusion like what you just said the Supreme Court justice she wasn't a
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  biologist so she couldn't tell what a woman was how do you think the confusion has impacted boys
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  and in the transgender ideology being pushed so much today to public people that should
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  know better just don't want to I guess tell the truth yeah and I think that's it's especially
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  impacted boys and the reason being is that it's not as popular not culturally politically correct
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  to lift boys up like it like I told you earlier it's it's great to say hey girls are strong you
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  can do anything you shouldn't quit you should try and you hear those messages all time for girls
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  and they need to hear that message but it's not popular to give that same message to boys so
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  so they're already in a in a posture where they're in a in a in a world where they just don't
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  they just don't fit everywhere they go they just don't quite fit there except a trail of troop they
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  find the place there but so they start out as a disadvantage so every message that comes from
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  the culture whether it's subtle or whether it's direct is driving them farther and farther and
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  and David you know I don't I don't know it seems so intricately designed that you got to
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  it feels like it's intentional like like you're really trying to take boys out because we don't
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  want men in the future engaged somehow I don't think people are smart enough to do it as well
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  as it's being done but everywhere you look there's this it feels like it's coordinated by somebody
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  or something uh that's that's making it more and more difficult for for boys to engage but I'm
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  encouraged by the remnant now that's rising across across the country in these trails you say
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  who are saying listen I know the truth I know it's right I'm not swayed by this I understand the
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  difference between right and wrong good and evil truth and a lie and I'm gonna live for that
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  and if I'm not popular if I'm hated if I'm discount that's okay because it's the truth
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  well it's it's demonic that's why it's so prevalent today the enemy has been working overtime
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  confusing people because it is an assault on God and the creative order it God's design of male
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  and female marriage family um community I want to mention on front page of your website because we
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  have 30 seconds left you do say it's as established on timeless values derived from the Bible and
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  set in the context of outdoor adventure and then describes trail life USA thank you for being
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  to trail life USA um they again they're unapologetic and we're so thankful for that we're thankful
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  that there is something out there that's doing something different than Boy Scouts so Mark Hancock
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  thanks for your time today God bless your efforts brother and uh Lord willing we'll do this again
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  sometime David it's been pleasure to spend time with you again God bless praise God again guys trail
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  life USA dot com and that devotional for men with boys you can get that over on amazon trail ready
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  uh 101 101 devotion so God bless you and as always keep speaking the truth about things that matter