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Speaker 2: On today's episode, we are discussing the final two episodes,
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Speaker 2: episodes five and six, of twelve Dates Till Christmas, which
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Speaker 2: originally aired on the Hallmark Channel on Friday, December nineteenth,
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Speaker 1: the way, So that's always fun to see. The fandom
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Speaker 1: will activate, Oh totally. It's a bummer that this series
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Speaker 1: how it would fare. Yeah, I don't know, I don't know. Well,
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Speaker 1: I don't know. That's a good question.
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Speaker 2: If we were gonna put this series up against each other,
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Speaker 2: what wins this or Missiletone Murders. They are both so good,
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Speaker 2: truly truly, so good, so good.
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Speaker 1: Let me tell you. I was on the phone with
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Speaker 1: my mother in law the other day and she's like,
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Speaker 1: I'm watching a Hallmark movie and I was like, oh good.
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Speaker 1: And then she's like, yeah, it's twelve dates and I
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Speaker 1: was like, oh, well, that's not a movie. I just
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Speaker 1: wanted to make sure like she knew, because I had
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Speaker 1: a feeling she might have like picked it up like
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Speaker 1: in episode three and four right, not realize it wasn't
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Speaker 1: a series but a movie. Inside she goes, oh no, no, no,
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Speaker 1: I know, and she goes it's kind of hard to
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Speaker 1: follow and they're all British. I can't understand them. And
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Speaker 1: I was like, oh, oh no, no, I hope that's
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Speaker 1: not where this series is landing with that demographic.
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Speaker 2: I yeah, I don't think so. Think about how well
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Speaker 2: those British crime dramas do. I think they're true, Like
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Speaker 2: that's one of my mom's favorite things, so down to Abbey.
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Speaker 2: I don't think the British piece is going to be
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Speaker 2: a turnoff. And subtitles exist. I will tell you, we
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Speaker 2: watched all these episodes on screeners. There are no subtitles
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Speaker 2: on screeners, and that challenged my brain a little bit.
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Speaker 1: I like to read what I'm watching, same, same, same,
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Speaker 1: not because of the accent so much as I just
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Speaker 1: subtitle everything me too everything. Does your family have an
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Speaker 1: opinion about that? Well, I think they've just leaned into it,
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Speaker 1: like they allow me. You know. Sometimes we'll be watching
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Speaker 1: a football game and the subtitles are on and they're like, Okay, look,
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Speaker 1: we gotta trun this off. Yeah. Yeah, my family has
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Speaker 1: leaned into But I know that all three of them
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Speaker 1: if they had, if it were up to them, they
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Speaker 1: would turn them off. Let's kick this episode off with
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Speaker 1: a synopsis of episodes five and six. Sure. Episode five
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Speaker 1: tis the season for do Overs. Kate has difficult decisions
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Speaker 1: to make and turns to Delilah for help. Despite Laura's
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Speaker 1: commitment not to meddle, she wants to make things right
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Speaker 1: for Callum and Kate. Episode six tis this season for
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Speaker 1: Taking Chances. As the twelfth date draws near, Kate is
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Speaker 1: feeling confident in her choices, but when new information comes
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Speaker 1: to light, she can no longer deny her true feelings.
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Speaker 2: Episode five was written by Dava Avenna with thirteen writing credits.
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Speaker 2: She is best known for her episodic work for shows
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Speaker 2: like Devious Maids, Kevin probably Saves the World, Grand Hotel
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Speaker 2: BH nine, O two to zero, Zoe's Extraordinary Playlist, and
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Speaker 2: Firefly Lane. As a reminder, Dava had written episode two
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Speaker 2: of this series.
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Speaker 1: Megan kay Fox returns as director. She had previously directed
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Speaker 1: episodes three and four.
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Speaker 2: Episode six was written by Aaron Rodman and author of
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Speaker 2: the book Jenny Bayliss.
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Speaker 1: Episode six was directed by Imer Conroy, who had directed
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Speaker 1: episodes one and two.
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Speaker 2: Our core cast returns May Whitman as Kate, Julian Morris
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Speaker 2: as Callum, and Lucy Eaton as bestie Laura. We also
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Speaker 2: have Nathaniel Parker as Kate's dad, Mac, Jane Seymour as Evelyn,
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Speaker 2: and Mary McDonell as Kate's mom Delila. In addition, we
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Speaker 2: have Toby Sandman as Richard, Imer, Morrissey as the Matchmaker,
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Speaker 2: Drew Harry Butler as Oliver, Jake Solari as Charlie, Fiona
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Speaker 2: Brown as Nicola, and Killian Coyle as Ben. Let's take
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Speaker 2: a quick break and come right back with our first impressions. Hey, Wendy,
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Speaker 2: what was your first impression of these finale episodes of
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Speaker 2: twelve dates till Christmas?
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Speaker 1: I don't say this lightly but now that we've watched
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Speaker 1: the entire series, this is the best thing I've watched.
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Speaker 1: I'll count down to Christmas. Better than any movie I've seen.
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Speaker 1: There just aren't enough superlatives for this show. I don't
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Speaker 1: know how many ways to say it's so good. I know,
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Speaker 1: I know, Like I had to message Aaron Rodman yesterday
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Speaker 1: after I had finished episode six and say it's so good. Basically,
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Speaker 1: I was like all my notes say, oh my god,
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Speaker 1: this scene, Oh my god, this scene, Oh my god,
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Speaker 1: this scene. Yes, Like I just want to like tell her, like,
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Speaker 1: you put something so wonderful out into the world and
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Speaker 1: thank you for that. It was so good. It would
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Speaker 1: be criminal if this doesn't come back next year. Criminal.
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Speaker 1: I don't I don't know. I'd okay when we get well, no,
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Speaker 1: let me ask you this now. At the end of
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Speaker 1: episode six, did you say did you say to yourself like, oh, yes,
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Speaker 1: I could see a second season of this show with
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Speaker 1: this cast. Oh well, yes, that's the show I want.
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Speaker 1: But you hurt? Are you referencing the fact that they're
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Speaker 1: like we could do twelve dates? Yeah, like reap, yes see,
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Speaker 1: I just love this cast so much. Yeah, I know,
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Speaker 1: see that's you know, Aaron had to mentioned in her
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Speaker 1: interview like, oh, we could do twelve dates anywhere and
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Speaker 1: basically with like a new cast or whatever. But but
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Speaker 1: now I'm so in love with the cast. Yes, no,
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Speaker 1: we need to stay in this little world here.
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Speaker 2: Well, and also she did mention that Jenny Bayliss had
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Speaker 2: written like the story exists for a second book, which
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Speaker 2: would serve as the sequel series, so we'll see. I
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Speaker 2: don't know how you abandoned this show after six episodes.
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Speaker 1: You can't, but I'm fearful it's going to happen. I
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Speaker 1: don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know. Well,
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Speaker 1: let me tell you my first impression. It is somebody
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Speaker 1: in broidered.
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Speaker 2: Just because the truth makes people uncomfortable doesn't mean you
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Speaker 2: shouldn't say it on a pillow for me this Christmas.
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Speaker 1: Please. That is totally my takeaway from these two episodes. Yes,
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Speaker 1: it is mostly in episode six and we'll get there eventually,
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Speaker 1: but can we talk about episode five first? I want
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Speaker 1: to talk about Kate's relationship with her mom, Delilah, And yeah,
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Speaker 1: it's an absolute scenestealer for me that obviously the relationship
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Speaker 1: is not perfect and I appreciate that, but the growth
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Speaker 1: in this episode that they experience is really special. I
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Speaker 1: really particularly loved the scene it actually occurs in episode six,
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Speaker 1: but it's built up throughout this episode where her mom
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Speaker 1: says to her. Delilah says to Kate, you don't get
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Speaker 1: to decide where I live. Like Kay has discovered that
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Speaker 1: Delilah has purchased this place in London, and she's like,
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Speaker 1: what are you doing here? And I was like, well,
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Speaker 1: I want to be close to you, but I love
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Speaker 1: that She's like, look, you don't have to be a
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Speaker 1: part of this, Like you can be as involved in
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Speaker 1: my life as you want, but you don't get to
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Speaker 1: decide where I live. You don't get to decide those
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Speaker 1: details of my life. Like I'm going to be.
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Speaker 2: Here for you and you can make your own choices,
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Speaker 2: but I do get to decide some things for myself.
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Speaker 2: And I just felt like it was truth bomb on
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Speaker 2: truth bomb and she's putting the ball very much in
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Speaker 2: Kate's court. Also, Delilah is just an absolute delight. She
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Speaker 2: says things like, my chakras are the least of my problems,
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Speaker 2: and she talks about her face and she says, oh no, honey,
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Speaker 2: that's just the botox talks.
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Speaker 1: I particularly enjoy her advice to Kate. She's like talking
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Speaker 1: about Callum versus Richard, and Dada was like, you got
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Speaker 1: to find a third man? Nothing like another option to
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Speaker 1: put the entire thing into focus, which kind of sage advice.
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Speaker 1: The transition from episode one, where Delilah existed off screen
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Speaker 1: as this phone call disappointing Kate, to now where she's
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Speaker 1: still so much her free spirited, funny self, but is
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Speaker 1: making an effort finally at this point to be the
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Speaker 1: parent that her daughter needs her to be.
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Speaker 2: They have a really cute scene where she comes to
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Speaker 2: Kate and Kate's in bed and she has brought her
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Speaker 2: breakfast in bed and she starts to leave the room
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Speaker 2: and Kate's like, you're not gonnact me eat all this
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Speaker 2: by myself, are you?
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Speaker 1: And she just like she's giddy that her daughter has
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Speaker 1: invited her to have this moment. I really enjoy that
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Speaker 1: relationship trajectory. Yeah, I I for one, really enjoyed Delilah's
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Speaker 1: redemption arc. She's a surprise MVP for me personally, because
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Speaker 1: when she came onto the scene, I was like, Oh,
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Speaker 1: she's just she's a lot She's a lot, you know,
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Speaker 1: she's a lot for Kate to handle. She's very like
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Speaker 1: in everybody's business. But that whole scene at her new
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Speaker 1: home with Kate was like I felt like I had
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Speaker 1: been in a physical fight after that scene, like I
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Speaker 1: was knocked out, like Kate said some of the like
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Speaker 1: really mean things to her to her mother, huh. And
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Speaker 1: I just love Delilah's response, Like you said, she says
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Speaker 1: like you don't you don't give me a permission to exist.
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Speaker 1: And she had this line that said, no matter how
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Speaker 1: much you punching me is wait, no matter how much
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Speaker 1: you punch me is going to change the past. And
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Speaker 1: I just was like, oh my god, it's so good.
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Speaker 1: These two together are so good. And there's something about
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Speaker 1: Mary McDonald's kadence. The way she speaks draws me in yes,
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Speaker 1: like I pay attention to what she is saying yes.
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Speaker 1: And she also has this almost put on accent.
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Speaker 2: That I really enjoy, Like it's I described her in
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Speaker 2: episode one, I likened it to Moira Rose from Shit's Creek.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's it's that, but it's her own. I could
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Speaker 1: just listen to her speak for two hours straight. Now,
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Speaker 1: let me ask you there was a scene where Kate
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Speaker 1: goes to work and she's talking to Nicola, Oh, Nicola, Nicola,
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Speaker 1: and she's telling her, Oh, there's this client who's like,
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Speaker 1: you know whatever, but she's American, And I was like,
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Speaker 1: wait a minute, Delilah's American. Oh yes, this like accent
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Speaker 1: or like inflection in her voice doesn't read American, No,
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Speaker 1: because I think it's put on. She's worldly, yes, Darling, Yeah, okay,
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Speaker 1: got it. Yeah she was. She was so great in this,
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Speaker 1: so great in this. And at the end when she
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Speaker 1: shows up with like some random dude, yeah, oh and
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Speaker 1: he's iggy and I'm trying him out. Yeah, It's just
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Speaker 1: it's just fun. She's so fun. She's a fun character. Like, I,
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Speaker 1: you know, bring me in a season two where we're
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Speaker 1: like looking at her life more. It doesn't even have
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Speaker 1: to be about dates anymore, right, Like maybe this cast
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Speaker 1: is then part of like dates for future people. I
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Speaker 1: don't know, I don't know how it works, but I
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Speaker 1: just need a season two with this cast. Indeed, I agree.
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Speaker 1: I want to talk about Richard for a second. Oh yeah,
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Speaker 1: or for a minute. The shine is wearing off, oh instantly.
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Speaker 1: In episode five, he's rude to to Kate's date, Charlie.
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Speaker 1: Charlie is a nice guy. Yeah, and they're out at
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Speaker 1: that like shopping market or whatever, and he's just like
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Speaker 1: he's just I felt like he was just rude. And
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Speaker 1: then he was like poking Kate about, like, oh, you're jealous.
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Speaker 1: I just know, dude, you're being petty and small and
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Speaker 1: I don't like anything about it. Because this was a
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Speaker 1: hard one for me because I was so wowie zouied
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Speaker 1: by Richard in episode one and two. I was like, man,
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Speaker 1: this guy is beautiful. I love his flirt game. I
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Speaker 1: love all of it. Right, and you had said like, hey,
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Speaker 1: maybe you said this, We're gonna come to a point
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Speaker 1: where we have to choose and we needed something to
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Speaker 1: go against Richard. Well here it was happening. Yeah, episodes.
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Speaker 2: I knew in our last episode that we were going
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Speaker 2: to be confronted with something that was gonna make us
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Speaker 2: take the bloom off of the Richard Rose. I think
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Speaker 2: the audience got there faster than Kate did. Yeah, but
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Speaker 2: actually that's one of my wishes.
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Speaker 1: I will get to it. But that was really the
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Speaker 1: scene because so Marjorie shows up first, Kate's talking to
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Speaker 1: her and she's like where's your date? And she's like, oh,
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Speaker 1: he's around here somewhere.
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Speaker 2: That's the moment my notes literally say oh no, and
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Speaker 2: then I wrote, OHFC, it's Richard.
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Speaker 1: Of course it's Richard. But I didn't like Richard in
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Speaker 1: that moment, like he's kind of accusatory, like, oh, are
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Speaker 1: you jealous? And yeah, Kate was spot on. She's like,
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Speaker 1: this is a little bit weird. We're dating each other.
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Speaker 2: Now, we're seeing each other with the other people that
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Speaker 2: like we both we both know the score, but it
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Speaker 2: is still a little bit weird to see them. And yeah,
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Speaker 2: maybe I am like a little jealous. I am a
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Speaker 2: little thrown.
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Speaker 1: It's very the Bachelor when they oh, yeah, he's going
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Speaker 1: on multiple dates and like you have to if you
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Speaker 1: were at a participant in not then you're like watching
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Speaker 1: that unfold. Yeah, it's going to be uncomfortable for sure.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, this is the this is the turning point for
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Speaker 2: me with Richard. There's many of them, but Charlie on
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Speaker 2: this date. Charlie is lovely and cute.
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Speaker 1: He's yes, he's cute, and he.
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Speaker 2: Unfortunately for us, all this date really does is help
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Speaker 2: show Kate a little bit what she wants from her
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Speaker 2: career and from a relationship. She kind of seems to
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Speaker 2: realize like, oh I do want to be in a relationship,
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Speaker 2: and oh maybe I do want to spread my wings
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Speaker 2: a little bit with my career. So Charlie's a nice
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Speaker 2: vehicle for that. He plays into my wishes a little bit.
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Speaker 2: But when he takes her down into the Textile Archives,
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Speaker 2: he sees her, he knows who she is and what
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Speaker 2: she would like. That's a really lovely gift. And then
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Speaker 2: they have their terrible pizza together.
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Speaker 1: I thought that was very nice.
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Speaker 2: And then of course he has a hand in her
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Speaker 2: work via Nicola Landing in the museum. Yeah, he's like
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Speaker 2: a good guy. I needed a closed loop on Charlie.
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Speaker 2: What did Charlie end up with anyone?
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Speaker 1: Oh? Yeah, I mean her heartbroken? He didn't end up
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Speaker 1: with Kate or what happened? What else did you like?
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Speaker 1: We have not talked about Julian Morris a whole lot
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Speaker 1: as Callum, and I think he is real good, especially
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Speaker 1: in episodes five and six, really good when he has
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Speaker 1: the scene between him and Kate. First of all, he
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Speaker 1: does that whole like do over date for her that
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Speaker 1: she doesn't mind a bat I loved all the intention
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Speaker 1: behind that, like he's like, Okay, I'm ready here and
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Speaker 1: this is I'm doing it right. And then she doesn't
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Speaker 1: show she's swooped away by Richard instead, which I hated. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: it's another point against Richard totally. But when they have
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Speaker 1: their big confrontation between Kate and Callum and talk about
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Speaker 1: mean things being said to each other, you know, obviously
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Speaker 1: there's like a lot of history there with friendship, but
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Speaker 1: there's a lot of hurt, right, And I think you
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Speaker 1: say a lot of mean things to people you love
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Speaker 1: the most. And oh god, this was heartbreaking to watch
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Speaker 1: for me when they have that big blowout. I'm not
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Speaker 1: here to make you feel better about the mess that
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Speaker 1: you made, Eeks Seeks and I don't trust you. I
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Speaker 1: don't know what you want or you don't know what
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Speaker 1: you want like all that. Oh my god. I was like,
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Speaker 1: oh no, there's no returning from this. So that date
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Speaker 1: that Kate missed with Callum, he's mad at her for
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Speaker 1: not showing up, and I'm like, she didn't do anything,
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Speaker 1: Like she's just showing up at the date. Like as
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Speaker 1: far as I could tell, she was like told to
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Speaker 1: go to this location.
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Speaker 2: Like Richard hijacked it. He masterminded. He was the one
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Speaker 2: who figured it out. She didn't know where she was
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Speaker 2: going or with whom in either case.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, and but then we see that and fold like
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Speaker 1: Richard sees Callum at the hospital and he's like, yeah,
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Speaker 1: I took her away from you know. So Callum eventually
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Speaker 1: learns that it was Richard who took Kate, wasn't Kate's
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Speaker 1: decision in that matter. I just I really liked Julian Morris.
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Speaker 1: I like Callum. He's a complicated character. And I think
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Speaker 1: that's what I like about this show so much, is
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Speaker 1: that these characters are not one dimensional. There's just they
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Speaker 1: have so much baggage. And speaking of baggage, the scenes
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Speaker 1: between Evelyn and macof so they make me so happy
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Speaker 1: that Evelyn, Evelyn telling Callum like I'm not ready to
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Speaker 1: care for somebody, like she's been alone for ten years
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Speaker 1: and now all that now you know, she's thrown back
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Speaker 1: into like worrying about somebody she cares about. And then
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Speaker 1: they have her Mac have this like great scene and
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Speaker 1: she's like, but you know, I wouldn't trade my my
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Speaker 1: baggage for the world. It means I lived a full life. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: you know, like I have said for two episodes. Now,
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Speaker 1: I didn't care where Mac and Evelyn ended up, Like
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Speaker 1: it didn't need to be romantic for me. I just
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Speaker 1: really enjoy right, their need for each other and them
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Speaker 1: finding each other. But I am happy that they have
20:07
Speaker 1: like a romantic thing because it just makes me happy. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: will you take me for a ride on that bank
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Speaker 1: of yours? Oh? I was so happy.
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Speaker 2: When they come to that understanding and then when they
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Speaker 2: have the conversation after he goes to the hospital. Oh
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Speaker 2: my goodness. I'm really happy that they found each other.
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Speaker 2: And I think you're right that her fears feel very
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Speaker 2: authentic and real, like she has lived a life and
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Speaker 2: so they are carrying baggage into it because they're humans
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Speaker 2: who have experiences.
20:37
Speaker 1: But I needed them to have each other. Yeah, I'm
20:41
Speaker 1: so happy about them. I liked Kate's work trajectory.
20:45
Speaker 2: She talks about the longest thing we see with Nikola
20:48
Speaker 2: Nicholas looking at these two sets of patterns that she's
20:50
Speaker 2: working on, and she's not able to choose which one,
20:53
Speaker 2: and it kind of mirrors what's going on in her
20:55
Speaker 2: love life. Yeah, I'm glad we see the end of
20:59
Speaker 2: these episodes her kind of breaking out.
21:03
Speaker 1: I liked when her mom.
21:04
Speaker 2: Showed up and her mom is layering praise on Nicola
21:08
Speaker 2: and then she says, but that pattern was developed from
21:10
Speaker 2: my lovely daughter, Like she's making sure that she gets
21:13
Speaker 2: the recognition that she deserves. She's not just this cog
21:15
Speaker 2: and the Nikola wheel. And I think Charlie does the
21:18
Speaker 2: same thing. And as much as her mom is a
21:22
Speaker 2: little bit meddlesome in going to Nicola to get her
21:25
Speaker 2: to be the designer, it also was kind of the
21:27
Speaker 2: push that she needed to go out on her own.
21:29
Speaker 2: So that's a nice closed dish loop on her work situation.
21:37
Speaker 2: I wanted more from Laura and we got it in
21:39
Speaker 2: this episode. Yeah, and her realization that I don't actually
21:44
Speaker 2: want to be partner. I don't really want this job anymore.
21:47
Speaker 2: I want to go out on my own thought. It
21:49
Speaker 2: was hilarious that her husband's like, yeah, you can be
21:51
Speaker 2: a professional meddler. And then of course is her husband,
21:54
Speaker 2: oh so great, rights such a good partner. I know
21:58
Speaker 2: he's such a good partner, And there are so many
22:01
Speaker 2: moments where he does it, like when when Kate's there
22:04
Speaker 2: and unloading on her and he's kind of just in
22:06
Speaker 2: the background reacting and oh, he's so good. I mean,
22:10
Speaker 2: he bring him out more, but he's such a good
22:14
Speaker 2: foil to Laura. And then of course the clothes loop
22:17
Speaker 2: on that with her gifting Kate the contract of being
22:22
Speaker 2: her first client as an attorney.
22:23
Speaker 1: As she starts her business. Yeah. I love Laura. I
22:29
Speaker 1: love all these characters. You know, when Laura goes into
22:32
Speaker 1: the pantry and screams into a tea towel felt very
22:36
Speaker 1: relatable right now.
22:39
Speaker 2: Yeah.
22:40
Speaker 1: I laughed out loud when she did that. I laughed
22:43
Speaker 1: out loud. Can we talk about my hypothesis that I
22:48
Speaker 1: had in our last episode about Oh my gosh, Marjorie
22:52
Speaker 1: and the Richard and the bracelet. Indeed, oh, pat myself
22:57
Speaker 1: on the back. I shouldn't really wrong about these things.
23:00
Speaker 1: You absolutely should. I was like, oh, it's all happening. Yeah, yeah,
23:06
Speaker 1: And it just really showed like Richard was such a
23:09
Speaker 1: kind of a douchebag, I know, such a disappointment honestly.
23:15
Speaker 2: And the other writing was you could see how it
23:19
Speaker 2: it the kind of on the wall, right, like he
23:20
Speaker 2: was a little too good to be true, and you
23:22
Speaker 2: were like, we don't really know anything about him, but
23:25
Speaker 2: you could see how Kate would be drawn in because
23:27
Speaker 2: he was charming and sending these sweet messages and buying
23:32
Speaker 2: your gifts.
23:32
Speaker 1: And I, you know, well done on the Richard arc.
23:36
Speaker 1: But man, did I hate him at the end of
23:38
Speaker 1: this episode too, when they're dancing and he's like, oh,
23:42
Speaker 1: this is an opportunity now for us to get to
23:43
Speaker 1: know each other, and she's like, what are you talking
23:45
Speaker 1: about and he's like, oh, the twelve days are fantasy
23:48
Speaker 1: and she's like, no, I've been sharing my truth. Yes,
23:52
Speaker 1: what are you talking about, Like I'm finally glad, Like
23:55
Speaker 1: she got there, like you know, she realized like he
23:59
Speaker 1: was not well.
24:00
Speaker 2: And he's like it makes he goes. It's just lucky
24:03
Speaker 2: for me that it makes a good story that the
24:05
Speaker 2: girl I stood up at the beginning is the one
24:07
Speaker 2: I choose at the end.
24:08
Speaker 1: Gross. Yeah, totally gross. But I did love when Drew
24:12
Speaker 1: is dancing with her partner and she's like, h and
24:15
Speaker 1: there she has her moment and I was like that
24:17
Speaker 1: was great. Yeah, that was great, great, great, great.
24:21
Speaker 2: I mean I like the birdhouses in the courtyard during
24:23
Speaker 2: the final scene, a thoughtful way to update the courtyard
24:27
Speaker 2: and bring Mack into it.
24:30
Speaker 1: Yeah, that was great.
24:31
Speaker 2: The visual of his his coping mechanism.
24:35
Speaker 1: Yeah, and what do you think about their kiss? I
24:38
Speaker 1: loved their kiss. Kate and Caleum's like in the you know,
24:41
Speaker 1: in the Oh, No, I need to talk about this
24:44
Speaker 1: scene when Laura gifts herself as a lawyer for Kate
24:49
Speaker 1: but then gives the gift that Klem had rights, oh
24:53
Speaker 1: the napkin noodle, and then she she goes to the cafe.
24:58
Speaker 1: She goes to the cafe and like throws it up
25:01
Speaker 1: against the window like what is this? Yea, yeah, oh my,
25:06
Speaker 1: it gave me chills, Like this was reminiscent of how
25:11
Speaker 1: do you like them apples? From Goodwill Hunting? If you
25:14
Speaker 1: remember the scene where he's like, I got the number
25:16
Speaker 1: and he shows the number. Do you know what I mean?
25:18
Speaker 1: I one hundred percent know what you're talking about. It
25:22
Speaker 1: was so moving. I loved it. Then they go and
25:24
Speaker 1: they have this conversation and you know about like where
25:28
Speaker 1: the status of their they are, and he turns around
25:31
Speaker 1: and walks away out into the courtyard and the courtyard
25:35
Speaker 1: is all done up and they have their big kiss.
25:38
Speaker 1: I loved it. It was a satisfying ending. Yes, I
25:43
Speaker 1: loved it too. The napkin on the window moment had
25:47
Speaker 1: a little bit of a different callback for me.
25:49
Speaker 2: In fact, it was the Rows and Rachel. Rachel's closing
25:52
Speaker 2: up Central Perk and Ross shows up and she turns
25:55
Speaker 2: around and he's in the window.
25:57
Speaker 1: And he comes in and they have their kiss.
26:00
Speaker 2: Very yeah, very cinematic moments all around.
26:04
Speaker 1: Very good. You know that's funny you bring up Ross
26:06
Speaker 1: and Rachel because there was While I was watching this,
26:10
Speaker 1: I was like, it kind of gave me that vibe
26:12
Speaker 1: of like, here are these people who have known each
26:14
Speaker 1: other for a long time and you know he's had
26:17
Speaker 1: this like crush on her or whatever, right, Like it
26:21
Speaker 1: kind of gave me like it played in that.
26:23
Speaker 2: World too well. And I also this was in my digity.
26:25
Speaker 2: That's what while we're talking about it, Laura is wearing
26:27
Speaker 2: lobster pajamas during one scene, and of course Ross and Rachel,
26:31
Speaker 2: he's her lobster and she's like team Callum and Kate.
26:35
Speaker 2: It could be coincidental, could have to do with any
26:38
Speaker 2: number of things, but I noted it.
26:40
Speaker 1: I want those lobster pajamas. Real cute, very cute.
26:46
Speaker 2: Well, now let's talk what you wished for in this episode.
26:49
Speaker 2: I have two One is and we briefly touched on it.
26:52
Speaker 2: But if anything, I wish Kate could have seen, just
26:55
Speaker 2: for a moment, what we saw in Richard, just a
27:00
Speaker 2: siny bit earlier, because even after the whole bracelet thing,
27:04
Speaker 2: when she calls him out is like, it's a little
27:06
Speaker 2: bit Sister Wives.
27:07
Speaker 1: I laughed out loud. I know you loved Sister Wives.
27:11
Speaker 1: I do. But she kind of like was like okay,
27:14
Speaker 1: and then they're dancing again. Yes, And so I wish
27:20
Speaker 1: I wish she had the realization like, oh, oh a
27:22
Speaker 1: little bit earlier, but that's makes for good TV. It
27:26
Speaker 1: does make for screaming, Yeah, it does make for good TV.
27:29
Speaker 1: But like when she walks into that Parisian style date,
27:32
Speaker 1: I'm like I wanted her to be like, oh, you
27:34
Speaker 1: don't know me at all, Like this this isn't what
27:37
Speaker 1: I want. Like you have the contrast of the date
27:39
Speaker 1: that Callum has planned and Richard's date, and like, I
27:43
Speaker 1: know that these dates have been fun and fancy, but
27:45
Speaker 1: this isn't who she is. And he's like it's our thing,
27:48
Speaker 1: and she's like is it? Yeah? Yeah, that was great.
27:52
Speaker 2: And then even at the hospital, she you know, after
27:55
Speaker 2: everything's okay with Mac and she sends everybody home, she
27:57
Speaker 2: goes over and kind of like leans to Richard's embrace.
28:01
Speaker 2: So she's still in on Richard in that moment. I
28:04
Speaker 2: almost wonder if she's like this fictional character these thoughts
28:08
Speaker 2: she's having, but if she's like, well, I've made this decision,
28:11
Speaker 2: like I really need to lean into this relationship because
28:14
Speaker 2: I'm here, like I don't, don't, I don't want to
28:18
Speaker 2: be wrong.
28:23
Speaker 1: I wanted a little bit more.
28:28
Speaker 2: Time with Charlie. I wanted Kate to explore they clearly
28:34
Speaker 2: had a connection. And I understand it's not gonna happen
28:38
Speaker 2: like Callum is the guy, but she and Charlie had
28:40
Speaker 2: a connection and she kind of writes him off because
28:42
Speaker 2: he's geographically undesirable. And I wish we had maybe explored
28:46
Speaker 2: that a little bit more. I know there's not time,
28:50
Speaker 2: but I think we could have done maybe a little
28:52
Speaker 2: more with that.
28:53
Speaker 1: Well, okay, so speaking of time, if we had more
28:57
Speaker 1: than six episodes, we could have I have like dove
29:02
Speaker 1: a little deeper into these things, right, Like I would
29:05
Speaker 1: have liked to see a little more of her work
29:08
Speaker 1: stuff flashed out, you know, maybe not feeling recognized by Nicola,
29:11
Speaker 1: right or whatever and the Charlie stuff. I just think
29:15
Speaker 1: if we had more than six episodes, we could have
29:18
Speaker 1: like double tapped deeper into exploring these kind of things.
29:22
Speaker 1: I agree, you know, just like if you you know
29:26
Speaker 1: we love the pit, right? How many episodes was that show? Ten? Fifteen? Oh? See? God,
29:33
Speaker 1: I would have loved fifteen episodes of yes, yeah, just
29:38
Speaker 1: so we can like dig in deeper to their motivations,
29:43
Speaker 1: of their thoughts there whatever. Agree, Yeah, Do you have
29:49
Speaker 1: any more wishes?
29:51
Speaker 2: Nope? My only other wish is the transition from the
29:57
Speaker 2: kiss at the episode end of episode four to episode five.
30:01
Speaker 2: They're kind of in limbo. That could have been flesh
30:06
Speaker 2: out a little bit more for me in terms of
30:08
Speaker 2: Kate and Callum and how they went from Okay, we
30:10
Speaker 2: had this kiss and now we haven't talked for several
30:13
Speaker 2: days and Kate doesn't trust it and Callum doesn't understand.
30:18
Speaker 1: What her reservation is.
30:20
Speaker 2: And it does a good job of making it frustrating
30:24
Speaker 2: for the viewer, like come on, see that he's the one.
30:28
Speaker 2: But I also was like, wait a minute, it's such
30:31
Speaker 2: a stark contrast in moods. I just wanted to get
30:34
Speaker 2: back to that happy doodlely place.
30:37
Speaker 1: Yeah, totally. Well, let's talk. Did you see that? I
30:39
Speaker 1: have two? Okay, one is a notable scene to me,
30:43
Speaker 1: and another one is a thought. When Kate leaves her
30:47
Speaker 1: date with Richard date twelve, and she is walking back
30:51
Speaker 1: home and she sees her daddy have one and she
30:55
Speaker 1: just crumbles into his arms. Oh my god, it was
31:02
Speaker 1: such a good moving scene. May Whitman is so good.
31:07
Speaker 1: I just love that scene so much. My other did
31:09
Speaker 1: you see that? Is just a thought. And at the
31:12
Speaker 1: end of episode six, I was like, you know, this
31:15
Speaker 1: whole series for me tapped into a place of like
31:20
Speaker 1: we go about living our lives and we like push
31:23
Speaker 1: down or like lock away grief and fear and unfinished business.
31:28
Speaker 1: And I just thought that was so relatable and I
31:34
Speaker 1: love that Kate and these dates was were the catalysts
31:38
Speaker 1: for opening all of that up for everybody. It just
31:42
Speaker 1: was really a really good series, the best it deserves.
31:48
Speaker 1: In the annual rewatch, do you have any did you
31:50
Speaker 1: see that?
31:50
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, Laura's daughter's octopus costume at the school play.
31:54
Speaker 2: You cannot tell me that is not a love Actually,
31:56
Speaker 2: eight is a lot of legs. David callback, Oh, we writers,
32:02
Speaker 2: you got to let me know that I'm right about that.
32:04
Speaker 2: I laughed out loud. The reveal about Max's panic attack
32:08
Speaker 2: not being his first, I thought was really interesting because
32:11
Speaker 2: we talked about the big difference in Mac from episodes
32:15
Speaker 2: one and two to episodes three and four, where all
32:17
Speaker 2: of a sudden he's got his life together, he's the
32:19
Speaker 2: voice of reason, he's carrying them all on his back emotionally.
32:23
Speaker 2: It was nice to your point about the things that
32:26
Speaker 2: live under the surface that we don't really let see
32:28
Speaker 2: the light of day, because I think that's exactly what's
32:30
Speaker 2: happening here. That Mac moved on perhaps a little bit
32:34
Speaker 2: too quickly from his accident, from the touches of depression
32:39
Speaker 2: that we were seeing in his life change, and it
32:42
Speaker 2: just speaks to the fact that he has some more
32:45
Speaker 2: healing to do rather than just one day deciding everything's
32:48
Speaker 2: fine and I'm gonna move on and it will catch
32:51
Speaker 2: up with you, you know.
32:52
Speaker 1: As an anxiety e Gerly, I appreciated that representation. I
32:55
Speaker 1: bet you did.
32:56
Speaker 2: The opening train look from episode one pays off in
32:59
Speaker 2: the finale, you know when you see her leaving the
33:02
Speaker 2: ball where she has left Richard behind, and it's that
33:05
Speaker 2: exact same moment the corsage drops on the steps, you
33:07
Speaker 2: see her sparkly shoes, and then you realize, you know,
33:11
Speaker 2: you see her headed home on the train. I enjoyed
33:14
Speaker 2: that callback and pay off. And finally the final scene
33:19
Speaker 2: where Kate's dad and Evelyn are going to take off
33:23
Speaker 2: on their motorcycle. She's like, I'm always going to be protective,
33:26
Speaker 2: but I'm gonna let.
33:26
Speaker 1: You live your life.
33:27
Speaker 2: And then she's like, I took all the guests out
33:28
Speaker 2: of the tank. She just she's gonna give him some freedom,
33:32
Speaker 2: but in the end she's still who she is.
33:34
Speaker 1: I have one more did you see that? For twelve
33:36
Speaker 1: dates and for the listeners. This is an addition a
33:38
Speaker 1: future editor's note that I can't believe I forgot to
33:41
Speaker 1: mention this. Did you see that? At the Holiday ball?
33:46
Speaker 2: While Kate is walking through, we see Sarah and Oliver
33:51
Speaker 2: on the couch making out.
33:53
Speaker 1: Oh stop, I didn't see that. Oh wow, was great.
34:02
Speaker 2: They're together. Happy endings for everyone. I don't even need
34:07
Speaker 2: to ask. Would you rate this episode?
34:08
Speaker 1: Oh? Five stars? Yeah? Five ten twenty. Literally my notes
34:12
Speaker 1: say five ten twenty all of the stars. Hey, thank you.
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