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Gut Health, Butyrate, and Healing Chronic Disease With Steven Wright · Non-Toxic Living

• 0:00
  The amazing thing about butyrate is that we can't personally make it, but we absolutely need it. It is related to every chronic disease. Neurodegeneration, heart, asthma, osteoporosis, muscle building. Anything you want, you need butyrate for. But we can't make it. Our bugs make it for us. Because...
• 0:18
  LPS has become a major issue. So getting tested for LPS, especially if you have low acid, you're having acid reflux, may be something critical. Like if you're getting sicker and sicker and you're hearing this message and you're feeling like you're going in a really bad direction, LPS could be what's taking you down a really scary route when it comes not just to degenerative disease, but it can... What else? We just saved some lives there. Any other big shifts that people can make when it comes to their gut? I think we should...
• 0:51
  So, Stephen, welcome to the show. Come good friends over the years. I stopped using all shampoo altogether because of you, because of your beautiful hair, and because you haven't washed your hair, what, 10 years, right? Yeah, it's like over 10 years. Yeah, it's over 10 years. We did a video when, like, super viral, millions of views. I need to repost that. Maybe I will repost that as a lead-in to this podcast, but I stopped working.
• 1:17
  using it as well completely. I didn't do it much because I noticed my scalp was getting sore and inflamed. And I'm like, this makes sense. The natural oils like getting connected to nature. Right. And I saw your your lovely locks, you know, and I'm like, I'm jealous because I have hair like yours. And I'm like, well, maybe I should grow my hair out. I haven't done it yet. My kids are like, no, don't do it, dad.
• 1:37
  But Stephen, you know, one takeaway from you already, you're a master at gut health. We'll get into that. Lots of folks need to learn more about that, especially to support detoxification. Toxins destroy your gut. Hands down. Stephen, how did you get into focus on gut health, your health journey, let alone why you stop using shampoo?
• 1:58
  Yeah, I mean, similar story to you. You know, I had my own personal challenges. I've had those challenges since birth. And so this path was kind of laid out in front of me. And lots of embarrassing stories through high school and college. And then it kind of, I'm a little stubborn or a lot stubborn. And one day after college, my boss called me and he said, hey, your coworkers are complaining. You're the smelly guy in the office. You're going to need to handle this if you want to keep this job.
• 2:24
  And I mean, he didn't know that I was loading up a spreadsheet and like softly crying at my desk after every meal because I had visceral hypersensitivity, which is like extreme pain due to IBS. It's a subtype of IBS. And I was trying. I was trying. I didn't have a lot of tools at the time, but I was doing salad and chicken or I would do like burgers and pizza. It didn't matter. It would all hurt. So I sought medical attention. It didn't really give me any answers that were helpful other than I have a family history and I should suck it up.
• 2:54
  Um, and that just launched me on a quest of like my background's engineering. I can't be the only one to have had these problems. So if I can just find someone like me, I can reverse engineer what's going on here. And so that was 2009 and here we are almost 15 years later. And now you've been at it a while too then.
• 3:11
  Yeah, yeah. So this included, you know, a lot of research in writing and blogging back in the day, trained with Dr. Dan Kalish in functional medicine. You know, personally, I myself, I had food sensitivities that were pretty bad, leaky gut. I had some parasites. I had a history of multiple concussions. So I had some issues around like not enough nervous system regulation. It affects your gut.
• 3:35
  Yeah, everything was kind of a little messed up. Estrogen levels were high. Testosterone was low. So I had a smorgasbord of functional medicine issues going on that was contributing to my inability to feel good every day. And so it took years of unraveling that. And luckily, we have the Internet. Now we have these types of shows. But back in 2009, 2010, 2011, there wasn't this level of awareness.
• 4:00
  I say that all the time. Like in 2005 when I, well, I got sick before that, you know, 2003, 2004, moved back home in 2005 and I was still searching, using my university access to order microfiche, you know, things that I could read and they'd print them out for me and it wasn't all digitized. Yeah. The digital movement wasn't even, it's crazy, right? In our lifetime, that short amount of time, how, I mean, you can use...
• 4:27
  Google does a pretty good job of finding this research. And right now it's not too biased, which is really interesting to me, you know, but you can find out a lot. So back in the day, you know, 2009, I was 2000. I didn't start searching till 2005, late 2005 when it was October 31st, when I moved back into my parents' moldy basement, you know? So I don't know if your sickness sent you home at 25, but that's what happened to me, you know, with my tail between my legs. Was it 25 or 35? Yeah.
• 4:56
  I think it was 25, it was 25, it was 35 when I got married. These fives, right? And I'm turning 50 in a year, so in a few months actually.
• 5:05
  Yeah, I mean, I started digging in at like 22, 23. Okay. And, I mean, I went into massive credit card debt, trying to order all the supplements, all the lab tests. You know, went from practitioner to practitioner because, and still to this day, I kind of believe that each practitioner has a gift. They have a healer. They have a gift to give you, and then sometimes it's time to move on to the next practitioner. And I'm a different type of person in that I don't stop...
• 5:29
  I can't stop asking why, or is there more, is there better? And so not everybody has to go to the hundred thousands of dollars that both of us have spent in the 20, 30, 40 practice years we've gone to, but you might have to. You know, the 10 different medical doctors before we got frustrated enough and be like,
• 5:47
  How does it as an engineer, right? I have an engineering brain as well. You have a master's degree in geology focused on chemistry, low temperature, aqueous geochemistry. And when I went to the doctor and asked like, well, how does this work? How does this fix the problem? Right. Because there's got to be a cause. Like if there's contaminated water, there's a contamination source. Right. If there's a...
• 6:05
  dead vegetation, why is it not growing? There's a reason why I'm sick. And their answer was, well, we don't know how even this drug, this effects or this psychotropic actually works, but it kind of works on serotonin, dopamine we think, and it can help you stay on and how long the rest of your life. So it's like, are you freaking kidding me? And I got really angry.
• 6:26
  Yeah, me too. Very angry because I mean, there's got to be a reason. So if you don't have a reason why I can get well, then and I have to suffer like this the rest of my life. This forces people like me to be like, well, why live if there's no answer? Why would you feel this bad? No hope.
• 6:43
  No feelings of joy because your gut's bad. I was constipated, diverticulitis, bleeding, all the things from inflammation in my gut. Therefore, no serotonin, no dopamine, all the things. Constipated for a week. Back up like a train wreck. Made fun of it. I stunk as well, so you weren't alone. Mr. Stinky, I stunk up the whole office, and I got made fun of.
• 7:08
  Yeah. In the office, in a natural health clinic, I got made fun of. But we had to make, they had to do something because I stunk. Right. And then the room would stink. Right. And then, you know, it's like you couldn't essential oil that shit away. Right. It was bad. So you had your, we had our stinky journey together, you know, similar, you know, similar times. I was still stinky in 2009. And, uh,
• 7:30
  And then that moved you. You got well. Like, let's hear the hero's journey. Like, you got well. Yeah, I mean, the first thing was I changed my diet. You know, that was step one. And that was 50% of my bloating and IBS vanished within a week when I went on a basically meats, fruits, and vegetables, all cooked diet. And shortly thereafter, I discovered a supplement called betaine HCL, which is for low stomach acid, which I had struggled with apparently most of my life. And that immediately got me another like 20, 30% diet.
• 7:59
  better as far as the IBS related pain. Now I was still two 30. I still had acne. I still had exercise induced asthma at the time. I was still having the mental health issues with depression and anxiety and panic attacks. So like there was a long period,
• 8:15
  road for the next, you know, I would say like it took three to four more years of different healers, different protocols. I had to, you know, later on, I would find out that I did have a parasite. Later on, I would find out that my neurotransmitters were out of whack. My estrogen levels were high. My adrenals were a wreck. So, you know, it took protocols over years. And during that timeframe, I was still on the digestive support supplements and the diet. And I would say that,
• 8:43
  you know, my train's electrical engineering, and so I see the world in systems. I see systems of systems, and you know, with electrical engineering, we can't touch the things. We can't actually, like with geology, you can go touch it. You can't really touch electrons. Lick it. Yeah, if you lick the electricity, your nine-volt battery. We lick rocks.
• 8:59
  We do. I love it. We do. To see the color, you know, the taste. Like, it tells you what it is. I mean, that makes sense. We lick them. There was a commercial, an Exxon commercial that said, you know, about geologists, and we lick them. You know, I'm like, yes, we do. We lick them. So, anyway, I love rocks. We even lick them.
• 9:18
  Okay. Sorry for interrupting. Well, we can't lick electrons very well without some significant feedback. Or see them. Yeah, or see them. And so I started to see, like, wow, we can't see in the gut. We can't see, like, as much... We have a lot of testing data. Like, we were blessed in this time period to have more markers available than ever,
• 9:37
  Just because you have a map, that's not the territory. What we cannot measure is still significant magnitudes greater than what we can measure. And so there's these complex systems that we can't really touch or feel. We don't really know how to measure. And so how do you deal with that? Well, that's a lot of electrical engineering deals with that type of complexity. And so when I was healing, it was like...
• 9:58
  Thinking back to my engineering roots, okay, like what is the least cost but most benefit type of interventions I can try? And so we were talking earlier, you're like, you try a lot of things. And that's part of just my journey is I've had to be like, okay, maybe it is this supplement. Maybe it's 10 times the dose of that supplement. Nope, that's not it. Maybe it's this way. Yeah, you find those big lifts.
• 10:20
  Yeah, and once in a while, you have these breakthroughs. Yeah, I've had some big lists with different supplements that made a big difference. One of them for my gut and constipation was when I found magnesium oxide. And I had to take, I mean, dude, massive doses. It would have, one pill would have blown out any other human. I was up to like 10. Wow. I mean, it's crazy. Probably because I was magnesium deficient. I mean, oxide doesn't absorb that well.
• 10:42
  but it took all of that to bring fluids in to get me moving. And that was huge. Yeah. Big high dose mag oxide in the beginning, right? And it was a huge breakthrough at that point. That was healing. Yeah. Being backed up like a train wreck was not cool. And then some of the stink goes away because I had rotting stuff in my body. And then you're super healthy and you don't want to take anything, right? There's this thing I'm like, I'm not going to take, you know, and then fiber binds you up because you're inflamed and it bridges and there's not enough water in your colon and your lymphatic is, you know,
• 11:08
  jacked up so it is a journey and you know i had my my gut healing journey as well like diverticulitis is gone you know the bleeding is gone you know so all those things but that's one of the first things that come back online and that was the gut was key it's the key detox organ you have to get your gut healthy you can't detox unless you're pooping right it's just
• 11:27
  You just can't do it because it's going to log up a lot of those toxins that you're trying to get out because it's dumping it from the toxic biocomplex. And you're screwed. Yeah, people, I mean, you're the detox specialist, but when people ask me about it, I'm like, if you're into detox, you have to poop, pee, and sweat every day.
• 11:46
  Every day. I mean, and two of those are going kind of through the digestive system a little bit. Yeah. But if you're not pooping on a regular basis, all your efforts around detoxification are going to be cutting a certain percentage. Maybe it's half, maybe it's 20%, maybe it's more. It's a big deal, right? And I know it was for me. And then my health.
• 12:05
  is really measured to my ability to poop, right? If you're getting inflammation and you're having problems and your poop's shutting down, your colon's getting inflamed, your mitochondrial energy is low. And we'll talk about epithelial cells. We'll talk about butyrate. So, you know, and feeding those cells that create the energy, right? That we need. We have bacteria that eat that and then it creates the,
• 12:27
  uh, the, the food for your cells. Like this is crazy, cool system that we know, like, you know, 0.1% of, cause it's so brilliant and it's so powerful and there's energy and there's all these things that affect your gut. So as we move through this, uh, what are some of the big wins for you? I shared, you know, some of mine, but this is, they can always get my information. Yeah. I mean, addressing low stomach acid was a massive win for me early on, um, when I realized that. And why is that a problem?
• 12:56
  Like, so some folks don't even know. Yeah. So I had acid reflux at the time. I had, I would burp a lot after meals and that was just annoying. And everything I read online, every, everywhere I went, they told me that I have too much acid and I should take these acid blockers. Yeah. Crazy. Crazy.
• 13:12
  And then I ran into Dr. Jonathan Wright and Dr. Steven Sandberg Lewis. And these are old school naturopaths that have been in the industry for a long time. And they were actually measuring people's stomach acid who would come in complaining of IBS or heartburn or something. And they found 70 to 80% of those folks actually had not enough acid. And that creates a problem where you eat the food and rather than the food getting coated in this amazing acid bath, it starts to...
• 13:39
  ferment and it causes like fermentation like when you open a kombucha yeah or you leave a kombucha in your car in the summer yeah that's a that's a fun one um yeah but that same pressure happens your body is hotter than the food was when you took it out of the fridge so your body's hot and it's fermenting because it's not actually going through the acid bath correctly causing a pressure to rise and the fastest way out is not down it's up
• 14:02
  So it's like a geyser. That could be, yeah. Like, you know, a geyser, right? Yeah. Geology, like I'm going back. We always think about the things, analogies that we know. You go to Yellowstone and Old Faithful, right? It builds up. It's pressure. It builds up. And then eventually, that'd be a great commercial. Maybe you should do that for a Facebook ad, because I know you have some products as well. So here's the cool thing is that that's all been like –
• 14:29
  anatomy and theory and like clinical like practitioners for 20 years have been 30 years maybe i've been using this product but in 2022 there's a paper that was published and it said if your ph we want our stomach to get down to a ph of two or less yeah that's crazy which is really low that's a really low ph um if it is a three or above you have lps lipopolysaccharides these are nasty toxins that come from your microbiome of your mouth lps is a big deal
• 14:57
  And you can't get the LPS out of your mouth. It is just happening there every day. We have a natural defense, our stomach acid. But if your acid levels are above a 3, and especially if they're above a 4, according to this study, you're going to dump LPS into your small intestine every single hour of the day. And it can be up to 2,000 times more than the folks who have proper stomach acid. So if you're into low inflammation, if you're trying to get rid of inflammation on a regular basis, you should care about your stomach because it is...
• 15:26
  the channel that stops the LPS toxins from going into your small intestine. Now let's LPS, that's going to blow past a lot of people's minds that even, you know, challenges me and I'm in this space. LPS is top of line in functional medicine as a causational
• 15:44
  um, toxin to so many conditions that people face that they're always, there's always a new one, right? Sure. But, uh, LPS is, is hot right now. Right. And it's a big challenge. Actually, I'm working with a doctor that may have a, the first solution for LPS. You know, I'll, I'll talk to you about that, um, off camera. It's, it's really powerful stuff. And if it's true and we can prove it, um, it's going to be a game changer for a lot of, a lot of people. Cause I'm,
• 16:09
  I'm into real shit these days, right? I'm like, let's go. Let's help people. And I'm attracting a lot of cool people, such as yourself. But tell them why LPS is so stinking toxic to your body. And acid kills it, is what you're saying. Yeah, yeah. Acid, this paper shows, literally, they were doing endoscopies and they were taking saliva samples, measuring the pH and the LPS density. And acid...
• 16:32
  kills the LPS and neutrifies it or neutralizes it. You cannot, LPS is part of gram negative bacteria cell walls. You cannot get rid of gram negative bacteria. They are in our guts. They are in our oral microbiome. They're going to be around forever, but we're not,
• 16:48
  we're not improperly designed. We have defense mechanisms in this amazing, beautiful body that we've been given. And one of those is properly working stomach acid. It's just when it goes sideways, then you start to dump them in your small intestine. In your small intestine, you have something called intestinal alkaline phosphatase. It's an enzyme that grabs the LPS that got through
• 17:09
  and it neutralizes it. But we don't have a lot of IAP. IAP is way less in abundance than the acid itself. And so if the acid fails, which happens, right? We get stressed, you're running, you're not breathing while you're eating, you're not taking a breath and sitting down and eating with your family. It's really easy to get lowered stomach acid, let alone if you pick up a parasite or H. pylori or something.
• 17:35
  And so then you're dumping this LPS all day long in your small intestine. The IAP gets overrun and now it starts poking holes in the gut. It starts annoying the gut. And if it goes through, it's called endotoxemia, then you have, that's related to like everything. It's related to heart issues. It's related to almost every chronic disease. And you may have heard of sepsis. Sepsis is also a complete failure of the gut lining and just LPS overrunning the system and then you die.
• 18:03
  Yeah. So it can literally lead to death. Yeah. Yeah. It literally does. It does. Yeah. That's why it's such a big deal. Yeah. And it's new science, right? With all this, even measuring LPS, the labs, 2009 didn't exist. 2015, it didn't exist. It's probably like the 2019, maybe, 2000.
• 18:21
  You know, 18. I know Dr. Tom O'Brien is big into LPS right now. Dr. Ryan Bentley, a good friend of mine, big MD, PhD, big into LPS. These labs are asking to speak on it. Obviously, it drives their, you know, their testing, but their LPS has become a major issue. So getting tested for LPS.
• 18:41
  especially if you have low acid, you're having acid reflux, maybe something critical. Like if you're getting sicker and sicker and you're hearing this message and you're feeling like you're going in a really bad direction, LPS could be what's taking you down a really scary route when it comes not just to degenerative disease, but it can...
• 19:01
  lead to a loss of life. It's that big of a toxin. And so, like I said, before this started, we are putting energy out there that's saving lives. And it's important. This podcast is important. What you're sharing is very important. And we're going to make an impact here today. So what else? Like any other big, I mean, LPS, we just saved some lives there.
• 19:31
  Thank you.
• 19:32
  Yeah, just protecting your gut. I mean, you had mentioned glyphosate earlier, and you know it much better than I do, but I do know that it was initially invented as an antibiotic. And it's pretty good at being an antibiotic, but it's better at killing the rest of the bugs out there and killing the crops. So I don't think we're going back to a world without glyphosate. We can definitely do a lot to minimize our exposure to it, but the idea that we can walk around in a bubble and avoid it 100% is a fantasy, in my opinion.
• 20:02
  Uh, so I think we should talk about ways in which we can protect ourselves, uh, or, or buffer ourselves from things like glyphosate or other toxins in the world and, and kind of know that they're toxins, but also know that we can upgrade ourselves to deal with this new world that we have created.
• 20:21
  poxified. And so butyrate is, you talked about a little bit earlier. Yeah, I used to do not only take it, but I would inject it when I had diverticulitis. Okay. Right. And so, well, here's the story, right? We had a...
• 20:38
  So I researched it for myself because I'm like diverticulitis was getting painful. I'm sick of it. I was getting constipated. And I'm like, so I did all the research like you. And I found I got a compounding pharmacy because I didn't want the toxic ones to create butyrate enemas. And it has like a 90% success rate in colitis, obviously diverticulitis. My mom had colitis. And so I did it. And that was the...
• 21:04
  The turning point, right? Butyrate enemas, like the little green ones. And it was funny because my mom used to take cortisone enemas to knock inflammation down. I did butyrate, massive success rate, had a success rate with me. It was like the big thing, right, that helped reverse...
• 21:19
  For me, like I'm not making any claims here, but reverse that diverticulitis. And then I had a daughter, this woman came into her office. She was just a badass from inner city, you know, on food stamps, but she didn't care. Her daughter was about to get a colostomy bag. And she's like, can you help us?
• 21:38
  And I personally took on her case. We changed her diet and she was just a badass woman. She did everything. She's like, and not only her son's heart condition stopped, not only did she go from a big woman to a small woman,
• 21:56
  it fixed her daughter's gut and her fissures that were bleeding everywhere, shrunk down, healed up within a couple months. And we used butyrate enemas on her and obviously diet. And that was like, wow, right? It's pretty amazing stuff. Butyrate is, tell everyone how butyrate works.
• 22:14
  The amazing thing about butyrate is that we can't personally make it, but we absolutely need it. It is related to every chronic disease. Neurodegeneration, heart, asthma, osteoporosis, muscle building. Anything you want, you need butyrate for. But we can't make it. Our bugs make it for us.
• 22:35
  I'm on bugs. Yeah. So our beautiful symphony inside of our body. Yeah. That's what I say, man. It's like a, it's a, it's like a, well, a healthy gut. It's like a hippie community down there because all the bugs work in conjunction. They all have a role and the bugs that make butyrate.
• 22:51
  that we need, 70 to 80% of that feeds the colonocytes or the enterocytes for their fuel, their energy. And that's how they keep the environment healthy because they suck oxygen out. And you want your gut to be really low oxygen. You want the rest of your body to be high oxygen, but your gut needs to be low oxygen to create a really healthy ecosystem. Without that oxygen-sucking butyrate mechanism, everything falls apart. That's where you have dysbiosis. That's where you start to cascade into leaky gut, even more inflammatory pathways like you were talking about.
• 23:21
  But basically we eat our food and we, you know, our stomach goes to work, our digestive enzymes, our brush border enzymes. We extract all these awesome micronutrients and nutrients. And then what's left over are like your polyphenols and your fibers. That's the food for the bugs. Right. And so they turn that into a bunch of other things. And one of the most critical things is butyrate. Correct. Which then we absorb. What's the name of the bug? Right.
• 23:46
  um fecal bacterium prunitiae is probably one of the biggest ones multiple ones yeah rosabria there's a lot of them that do it again the body has i'm just geeking out with you the body has backup pathways for everything there's not one failure point in this in this system um so but but they need bugs before them to turn the molecules into smaller molecules right they can't just like the soil
• 24:08
  It is. Oh, 100%. It takes a bunch of bugs and nematodes to eventually the poop to create what the plant can utilize to bring up the mineral. So it's not just one bug. It's a host of fungus, protozoa, nematodes, bacteria, fungus. I already said fungus. It's crazy.
• 24:27
  That's what, yeah, 100%, 100%. And dysbiosis is when you don't have enough of those bugs to help. It's, tell people what dysbiosis is, because I just want to make sure they get that word correct. Yeah, so dysbiosis is you're missing communities of bugs, so that conversion process stops, and or the amount of bugs you should have, you should have like a robust community is like really small, like a really small population.
• 24:48
  And dysbiosis is linked to every chronic disease they've ever studied. For sure. So you want a healthy community, which means a lot of different species that are all helping each other out. You know, somebody's washing dishes. Diversity. You know, washing the kids, all that stuff. And then you want a lot of them.
• 25:03
  And so when that happens, they'll make short chain fatty acids of which butyrate is the most prominent and the most useful. That butyrate 70, 80% is consumed inside the gut. It protects you from dysbiosis. It protects you from leaky gut. It protects you from all kinds of inflammatory.
• 25:21
  It's super anti-inflammatory because then the rest of it goes systemic and it goes all throughout the body. And it's very important for the immune system. Like I said, it helps lower bone loss or osteoporosis, helps the brain, helps with asthma. There are so many studies on faraway regions of the body and butyrate coming from your gut from the bugs in your gut.
• 25:43
  It's beautiful. And I want to just add to you, you said something really powerful. It's like, oh, your microbiome is linked to every disease. There are amazing studies and some of the most popular ones, I can't remember the name of them and the authors, but...
• 25:59
  microbiome diversity and fingerprint, right? And I share this all the time. And toxins actually destroy the fingerprint, by the way. Oh, interesting. They alter the fingerprint. There's studies on that too and how it causes dysbiosis. Toxins cause dysbiosis. That's when I talk about toxins. They destroy, especially if mercury may have fillings, they're going to come down, destroy lots of bacteria because it kills everything. Mercury kills everything, causes dysbiosis. But what you said...
• 26:25
  is that this fingerprint of a gut, a healthy gut, healthy human, healthy gut athlete, like all these fingerprints, this fingerprint diabetes, this fingerprint autoimmune condition, this fingerprint obesity, the fingerprint dictates every time the disease that you have.
• 26:46
  Crazy linked all the time. That's why this microbiome research is massive and a big movement. They're bringing doctors all over the world. They're having conventions. Some of the friends I know, they're literally going to Washington studying this. And there's all kinds of testing as well around this. I mean, it's getting better and better. It's genus species, you know, like boom, boom, boom, all the way down. It's powerful stuff.
• 27:10
  Totally. And, you know, if this is your first time hearing about this, you don't need to, it's like soil. Like if you had a garden and you went and sprinkled mercury on it, everything's gone, right? Yeah. Gardens, you know, I don't know soil like you know soil. I love gardening. If I could be a regenerative farm, I'm just cracking the egg. But like I'm not testing my soil to know if I need nitrogen or iron or what it needs. And most people...
• 27:38
  in the beginning of their journeys, or even in the middle stage of their journey, don't need to know the specific fingerprint of their gut to get better, because the same ingredients make a better gut all the time, which is you've got to have food for them to eat, which is the problem, right? Because a lot of people are told to go on elimination diets, low FODMAP, low autoimmune paleo, and they provide pain relief, which is the conundrum that we get stuck in this weird loop
• 28:04
  where reducing the fermentable material from our diet helps us feel better, and it kills the bugs we need to feel great in the long term. And so this looping, we have to figure out a way through it. And I think we can with digestive support to handle the food that we can't handle ourselves. Because if you feed your body...
• 28:26
  different colored fruits and vegetables on a regular basis. If you have some starch on a regular basis, that's what the bugs need. That's what they thrive on, especially the butyrate producers. And so if you can... They have to have it. Yeah. So if you can eat those multicolored fruits and vegetables, if you can eat some sort of starch, like if you go on a keto diet or if you go on a super low carbohydrate diet, you will reduce their populations. Yeah, big time. If you do it long enough, you will cause dyspiosis. And then you'll start...
• 28:50
  gaining weight and you don't know why. And it's neat how all the Ketos are saying, you can't stay on keto that long, right? Because it's a tool, right? You can't stay on this diet, that diet. You can't go on meat because meat starves it down. Now, if you're looking to kill off some bad bacteria...
• 29:06
  It's a great cleanse. Do a bone broth fast, life-changing, then re-inoculate, or, like I've done multiple times, a microbiome transplant, you know, upside down with the enema tube with, you know, injecting. Good, fun stuff. Yeah, so it's amazing, like, we've done it all. Like, I was telling you that you were crazy, all the stuff that you've done, you know, in your journey through life. It's like, wait a minute, you know.
• 29:27
  You know, calling the kettle black. You got a list, man. I mean, yeah. I mean, I've injected phosphocholine and big bubbles in my arm. I still do some stuff that I find that help. So if there was one thing, one thing, right, that you would tell someone that there they could start. And I agree with you. Like you could do all the testing that you want.
• 29:46
  But the first place to start is let's start feeling better. Right? And we want to get your garden. You know your garden soil is not perfect. It doesn't have the microbes and bugs that it should. And honestly, like a garden, to create a good regenerative farm, it takes years. Right? It takes years to develop this population. And sometimes you need parasites, believe it or not, for a healthy population. Right? When it's in balance with your system.
• 30:09
  Yeah. It turns on and off genes. So people like to kill parasites and big parasites, ah, ah, ah. But when your immune system's weak, yes, they overrun. It causes dysbiosis and even dysbiosis of parasites. Yes, you can starve them down, kill them, do those things, but you need some of them, right? So it's just interesting. I always like to create that balance. And don't worry, people hold me in balance when it comes to toxicity. People like you. It's like, dude, come on. And I'm like, yeah, but it's fun.
• 30:35
  It's fun. It's fun. Fun. So if there's that one thing for the guy. Yeah. I mean, I hate trying to choose one thing. I think I don't like it either. Uh, so we already talked about stomach acids. So for under $50, uh, somebody can do a stomach acid challenge at home this month and they could rule that out. They can, they can do a BTN HCL challenge. You can Google that. You can use any brand. It's,
• 30:55
  As long as it has 500 milligrams of HCL and pepsin in it, give it a shot. Beyond that, if you're going to do one thing, it would be to supplement with butyrate and hopefully a tributyrene source. Yeah, it's more observable, right? Yeah, it's a pharmacologically, it's less toxic to the body. It doesn't have sodium with it. It goes longer, it goes deeper. Sodium, potassium, butyrate, right? I know all the ones. Yeah, the tributyrene molecule. Tributyrene didn't exist when I was doing this. Right. That's why I had to do the old one in the hole, you know?
• 31:23
  Totally, totally. So the tributary monocle, we can now do it orally. We can have amazing results. But it was so fun. Hey, man, I get it. I've tried some things there too. But what I would say is that if you're going through a detox program, you are trying to mobilize toxins and dump them into your gut and then get rid of them. Which can kill the...
• 31:46
  good guys. Right. And so to protect the good guys, a lot of people have heard of probiotics now. We've taken more probiotics than ever in the human history. And what has failed with probiotics is all the trials where they try to prevent dysbiosis during antibiotics. So if we think about toxin dumping as a light version of antibiotics, where we're just indiscriminately killing things.
• 32:07
  on accident, but part of the process. Probiotics don't protect from that, and they don't restore it faster. In some cases, the wrong probiotic can make your dysbiosis last longer. Yeah. But in several mice and several rat studies, butyrate protects from that. So if you're going through a detox program, if you're dealing with any sort of digestive discomfort, we can reasonably assume, especially if you're on an elimination diet of any type, that you do not have enough butyrate.
• 32:33
  And if you can supplement with a tributaryl source during this time period, you're going to be protecting that hippie community. You're going to be keeping yourself hopefully in a low oxygen gut state, which will keep the anaerobic bacteria alive. And that just keeps your entire health and your whole like healing pathway.
• 32:50
  much, much more on track, much faster. And, and I agree. I mean, I, uh, helped formulate a physician's, uh, detox product. And guess what I put in there, even though they didn't want me to, because it was hard to get into the capsule was butyrate. Right. So, because I, I, I agree. It's a really important question. If I take butyrate, will I have hair like yours, but will I, will I have those lovely locks?
• 33:14
  I can't guarantee that. But you do need amino acids. You do need your stomach. You do need your proper stomach acid to get the amino acids from your protein for your hair. Yeah, see? Make your hair grow back. So there is this link. So last question, and I think this is probably going to be one of your... Because you're a spiritual dude, you know? It's not just the hair. It's not just the hippie community in your gut. Like there's some signs here that, you know, you love love and light. So if there was a toxin...
• 33:42
  emotional spiritual physical that you if you had the the power that you remove from this planet to make it a better place to to help humanity what would that be i mean it's a that's a wide-ranging and beautiful question yeah that's why and it can go down many paths yeah so just go for it like it doesn't matter like what's on your heart like you know yeah i mean the thing the thing the thing that just keeps popping in my mind is like fear of life so like fear of life
• 34:06
  you know, fear of the food that you're eating, fear of, you know, maybe you're afraid of like mold being in your hotel room or mold being somewhere. Oh, it is in your hotel room. There's no fearing it. It's there. Yeah, so if I could just with one swoop
• 34:21
  wipe away, which is hilarious, right? Like I'm saying, I don't want you to be aware that mold is out there all the time. I don't want you to be aware of like say GMOs and glyphosate in your food. And the reason why is I think in this information age that we're in,
• 34:36
  Yeah. I mean, I get scared because some of the videos people are scared and I'm like, no, no, no. This is education. Like fear is worse. Like, and then, you know, so I'm with you. I hear what you're saying. Yeah, we can get into sympathetic dominance of our nervous system of this fear of everything could be attacking me. Everything could be toxic.
• 34:54
  And I think that does as much harm as the toxins do. And so if I could wipe that away so we could just be in parasympathetic and just try to figure out abundant ways to deal with the actual toxins. That's what I do. Yeah. I'm with you, bro. So this has been a great convo. I knew it was going to be awesome. Yeah, man. Really appreciate you appreciate the work that you're doing and especially your heart. You're like, you're a good dude, you know, you're doing it for the right reasons. And, uh,
• 35:23
  How can people find you? Main website's healthygut.com and then healthygutguy on TikTok or other platforms. Yeah. You're on Instagram?
• 35:33
  Yeah, Healthy Gut Co. on Instagram. Turns out the gut is kind of famous these days. So a lot of our actual company names have been taken. That's totally fine. But yeah, I do recommend listening to your stuff. You're a brilliant fella. You've been through a lot. And you're bringing a lot of that good energy that's helping people not live in fear, but live in faith and belief that our bodies can heal. And you're a living testament to that. So am I and so many others listening today. So thank you very much. Thanks, Ben.