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Rob Dauster Talks College Hoops, Chris Andrews from the South Point Sportsbook on the Super Bowl & Trent's Picks presented by Circa Sports · The Lunch Rush with Trent Condon

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  Our number 2 Millery Condon, welcome back wherever listening
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  in the state of our grateful that you are.
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  We'll take you until 2:00 went to Vegas, Chris Andrews, he runs
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  the sports book at the South Point Casino.
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  We'll talk to Chris here coming up in about 25 minutes.
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  Right now, let's get our buddy in here, Rob Doster field of 68.
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  He joins us to lot talk a little college hoops.
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  Hello Rob Trenton, Ken, how are you?
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  Good to talk to you. What's going on, gentlemen?
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  How we doing? Doing OK and looking forward to
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  our conversation as we always do.
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  Kansas Texas Tech last night. Terrific basketball game.
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  Thought Texas Tech had it. One Darren Peterson had a couple
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  of threes left to shoot and he made them both.
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  And we saw the result with Kansas and with Peterson
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  motivated to play and not listening to his agent or his
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  parents who want to guard the asset.
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  And I understand that point. But if Peterson is absolutely,
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  100% committed, how far can this Jayhawks team go?
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  Of course, not knowing the path that they'll have to take, how
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  good can they be? They can win a national title.
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  I've I've been, I've been on this bandwagon.
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  I've been on this train since the start of the season, right?
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  We we know how good Darren Peterson can be when he plays
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  his best basketball, right? We've seen that he's the best
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  player. He's the number one pick and he
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  has a very real chance to be the best scorer that we see in
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  college basketball. He's that explosive.
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  They got another guy in Melbourne Council that can take
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  over games and can win games and can be the best player on the
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  floor on nights when you need him to be.
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  We saw that against NC State, we saw that late against TCU.
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  They have a top 10 defense in college basketball and they have
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  a coach and Bill Self who is as good as a kind of game plan or a
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  game tactician as you'll find. And it's won two national
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  titles. And you give me that combination
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  of three things and they can win it.
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  Now, obviously the fact that that that Peterson is in and out
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  of the lineup is, is a significant difference maker,
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  right? I do wonder if kind of what we
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  saw last night where Kansas was any game they weren't up by 22
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  points or whatever it was and they were able to to to use him
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  to make a comeback late that we'll see some more of that,
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  right? You play 18 minutes in the first
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  half against BYU, you're up by 20.
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  You don't really need Peterson out there to win the game.
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  So let's get him on the bench. I wonder if that played any role
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  in kind of the way that all that stuff played out.
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  But hey, I'm I'm in on them. I'm I'm all the way in on them
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  and it's and and here's the biggest thing too, right?
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  We saw them beat Iowa State. That game was at home.
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  We saw them BBYU that game was at home.
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  They went on the road last night on Texas second one and came
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  back to do it. Well, while we're in the big
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  well, let's get your thoughts on Iowa State.
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  Had the two game losing streak, the aforementioned game against
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  KU and a road loss at Cincinnati.
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  Since then, it's not just winning, dominating performances
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  out of Iowa State, crushing the bottom of the conference outside
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  of UCF, but still winning by 30 points.
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  I don't care who you're opponent in, as a conference, that's eye
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  opening. Just how good is this Iowa State
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  team when we look at upside? How high is it for the Cyclones?
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  Well, I mean, look, we know what they're going to be defensively,
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  right, because they have a scheme and they have a system.
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  They've shown that that scheme in that system can work.
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  We know how good their point guard is.
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  We know what blah Manchenvich is.
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  And we've seen kind of Joshua Jefferson make the league this
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  year where he went from being a good player to a legitimate All
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  American caliber player in the I mean, I think he's probably Big
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  12 player of the year right now. I think it's either him or or
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  AJ, and I'd be really shocked if he wasn't a first team All
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  American when things are all said and done.
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  The question to me is like, does that mean that this is a team
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  that can go out and win a national championship?
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  Are they final 4 caliber? And I think they could probably
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  do both those things. If there was one concern that I
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  did have, when you compare them to maybe the likes of Arizona
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  and Michigan and that's the conversation that they're in, to
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  be frank, like they are in that top 8 in the mix for a number
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  one seed. But the one concern I would have
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  is how many guys that do they have that can kind of go win a
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  game for you when everything else gets mucked up, right?
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  Like we know Kansas has a couple of them.
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  We've seen Michigan have guys that can go out and win games
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  one-on-one, right? We know how good a guy like
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  Darren Peterson is and he can kind of do that on his own.
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  That would kind of be my one quit.
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  Like Kingston Fleming's has gone for 30 multiple times and one
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  games in the second-half. Do the Cyclones have that kind
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  of a weapon? Right.
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  And I guess that'd probably be my only concern.
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  And you know, if you keep getting this kind of shooting
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  from I'm Sheila, which and you keep getting this kind of
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  performance from Joshua Jefferson, I don't think that
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  would be an issue. But that's kind of the one
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  question that I do have that and look, it feels like I'm
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  criticizing him. That's different than being in
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  that national title favorite conversation with the Dukes, the
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  Michigan's and the Arizona's versus being a national title
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  threat with the lights of like the Yukons and the the the the
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  next tier of teams. Well, one more in the Big 12.
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  Let's get your take on Arizona. They're the unbeaten team so
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  far. They got Oklahoma State and then
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  Kansas, Texas Tech, BYU, Houston, Baylor, Kansas, Iowa
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  State before finishing Colorado, point being the waters to get
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  them a whole lot deeper here. I think they're up to the
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  challenge. I don't think they're going to
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  get through it unscathed. But is Arizona, in your mind the
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  clear cut, clear cut, best team in the Big 12 at this point?
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  In the Big 12, I think, yeah, they probably are.
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  You know, I, I don't think that Matthias Crevas gets anywhere
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  near enough credit for how good he is defensively.
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  And kind of, you know, what he does is similar to what Ryan
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  Kalprenner did the last couple of years for Creighton.
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  And that he just, he's so good at being 7 foot 2 and 260 and
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  walling up at the rim and making it so that nothing gets finished
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  in and around the basket. And when you combine that with
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  the fact that Braden Buries is taking the I mean, he's taking a
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  lead in the last next week, He looks like there's an argument
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  you can make that since the turn of the calendar, he's been the
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  best freshman on that Arizona roster.
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  And cooped has been a top ten pick in an All American so far
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  this season. And they got a closer.
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  You know, Jaden Bradley is a guy that will take over games late
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  and has done it multiple times this season.
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  There's the level of leadership there.
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  And you know, the biggest thing and I, you know, I hear people
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  talking about how they don't shoot enough threes, they don't
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  get enough scoring from beyond the yard.
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  You know, this is the, this is modern basketball.
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  You got to be able to shoot well.
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  The thing about Arizona is 1, a lot of the twos that they get
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  are a result of getting out in transition and running right.
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  Like they're, they played at really, really fast-paced.
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  They're forced turnovers and they're able to get stops.
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  So they're able to get out and transition and run.
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  And the other part of it is one, their rebound, like when if they
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  miss a shot, they're getting back like 39 and 40% of them or
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  something like that. And beyond that, what they're
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  able to create is they run. It's the same offense that Mark
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  Few was running forever at New Zagger, right?
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  Where it's kind of, you get it out in transition, you look for
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  a quick seal. Then you start running the ball
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  screen constituency where you either come off the the ball
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  screen and get a drive to the basket.
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  You try to get your big guy ducking in the ceiling at the
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  rim. Or then if that doesn't work,
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  you rotate it to the opposite side of the floor and you do the
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  same thing all over again, right?
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  It's not complicated. But what they do really, really,
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  really well is create shots kind of at the rim, right, and create
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  opportunities where you can catch it, turn, lay it in with
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  guys that are very good at catching, turning and laying the
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  ball in. So yeah, they're not shooting a
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  lot of threes, but the reason why their office is so efficient
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  on twos is because they're getting twos that are very, very
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  easy to make for them. Rob, from the Big 12 to the Big
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  10 and feels like we have some heavyweights at the top.
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  It's felt that way plenty of times, yet we're talking about
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  1/4 a century since the last time the Big 10 won a national
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  championship. Does that change this season?
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  Yeah, I mean, I think this is going to be the best chance they
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  have to do it, right. Like, there's just so many good
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  teams there. You know, I'm still on the
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  Nebraska and the Michigan State bandwagon as being good enough
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  to win a championship, right? I don't think that a team that
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  is as good defensively as Michigan State is with a point
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  guard like Jeremy Fears, I'm never going to count out a town
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  as a team. We got those things.
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  And with Purdue like it's a guards game in March and Purdue
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  probably leads a little bit help, a little bit of help more
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  than some of these other teams at the top the league.
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  But you give me Braden Smith and you give me the the veteran from
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  that roster and you give me Matt Painter and and I'm not betting
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  against them to pull it off. But then you like, so you got
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  those three teams right. But then you look at the top and
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  there has not been a better team in college basketball than
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  Illinois. In the last 6.
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  Weeks they they've been unbelievable since the loss of
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  Nebraska, they've been unbelievable.
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  And you know, they've they're shifting Keaton Waggler into
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  more of a point guard role. And frankly, that started before
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  the injury to Kai Boswell. A lot of people are citing that
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  as the change, but Keaton Waggler has been in that point
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  guard role since before Boswell got hurt.
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  And so his kind of emergence of the superstar has made them.
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  They are so good at getting the open, like getting the best
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  shot, not just getting a good shot, getting the best shot
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  because they have a bunch of guys that understand how to play
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  and understand how to move the ball and understand how to space
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  the floor. And everybody on their team can
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  shoot. And what makes them so dangerous
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  is if you look at their frontline, you know, they have
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  the size and the strength and the physicality to match up with
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  the likes of Arizona and the likes of Michigan and the likes
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  of Florida and the big, strong, burly frontline that have kind
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  of taken over college basketball, right?
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  You see the NBA kind of going to a space pace and space era.
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  Well, now if you look at Illinois or you look at college
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  basketball, it's be big, these physical force turnovers and win
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  the battle on the glass. And Illinois can do all that.
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  And oh, by the way, they also happen to shoot 36% from three.
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  They take more than 50% of their threes from beyond New York.
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  And they do it with guys. Tommy Ibisich is what, 7 foot
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  £250, right? Davi Mirkovich is 69250.
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  They got the other Ibisich who's 7 1250 and can block shots
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  right. Look, they got they have
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  everything that you need up front to match up with the size
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  of the biggest front lines and all those guys can shoot and oh,
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  by the way, they have a six foot six decision maker who looks
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  like the second coming of Tyrese Halliburton.
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  Man, like that team. That team is a problem.
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  No, you know, we haven't even talked about the top of the big
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  10 yet is Michigan the number one team on Ken Palm and what I
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  think is the best team in college basketball.
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  So this is the best chance that the big 10 has had to kind of
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  break that title drought. I I don't even, I don't even
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  know when. Yeah, I'm with you.
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  When watching Michigan just roll through the Las Vegas tournament
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  the way that they did, beating good teams, just certainly,
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  certainly eye opening. All right, let's let's bounce
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  around. What about Duke?
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  Their ceiling is what? National championship, I think
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  that they are as much as anyone, I think that they are flying
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  under the radar at this point. You know, it's weird.
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  It's weird in college hoops this year because I think that there
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  are like 9 or 10 teams that can all win the championship.
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  But once you get past those 9 or 10 teams, I think there's a
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  pretty big like, I don't see very many teams that are in that
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  like 15 to 30 range that I think can string enough together to
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  get to a final four, if that makes sense, right?
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  I would. I think we are much more likely
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  to see a scenario where we once again have like 8 of the top 10
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  seeds in the Elite 8 then we are to see had this be a year where
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  you get like a eight seed, 10 seed, an 11 seed into the into
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  the final weekend. So I'm, yeah, I'm, I'm, I'm in
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  on those top teams, but. Is Florida one of them?
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  I would have Florida and it's one of those teams, yes, I
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  would. And it'll be interesting to see
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  where they end up getting seeded because they lost some games
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  early on. But they are looked.
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  The era of college basketball that we're in is 1 where you
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  have size and physicality and athleticism.
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  And you use that size, physicality and athleticism to
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  force turnovers and get out and transition and to get on the
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  glass and get out and transition and then just have enough.
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  And then a half court on offense where you can get more or less a
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  good shot every possession. And then use that size and that
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  athleticism to go and get 40% of the ones that you miss, right?
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  You know, The thing is, sometimes the best shot you can
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  get is a missed shot or the best offense you can have is a missed
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  shot. That's what a lot of these teams
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  are doing right now. That's kind of what Michigan is
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  doing, right? Like the majority of what they
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  do is Gordon transition and scoring on the offensive glass.
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  That's why let's say Florida is the perfect example, right?
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  So you look at what happened against Auburn.
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  They dug themselves an 18 point hole against Auburn.
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  They didn't get an offensive rebound in the 1st 13 minutes.
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  They didn't get out transition at all in the 1st 20 minutes
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  because Keyshawn Hall went absolutely nuts and they had to
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  take the ball out of the net and take it out of balance on every
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  single offense possession. That's why they got down by 18.
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  They beat the brakes off of Alabama the next night because
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  they were able to get to the offensive glass whenever they
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  wanted and they were able to get stops early on to allow them to
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  get out and transition. And it's just kind of one of
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  those things where it's like once that snowball starts
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  rolling downhill, it's going to get bigger and get bigger and
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  get bigger and pick up steam. That's why you see Michigan
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  blowing everybody. Like when you can hang with them
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  and keep them from getting to the offensive glass and keep
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  them from getting out in transition, you can beat those
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  teams. That's part of why when I look
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  at Illinois, like they can do all of the stuff that you need
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  to be able to do to beat the best and most physical teams in
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  college basketball. And oh, by the way, they got a
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  top five pick runner things. And oh, by the way, they got all
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  and they can do all the other stuff as well.
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  So I'm that's why I think Illinois is a very, very real
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  threat to make a lot of noise in March.
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  Duster one final thing for me I want to ask you about two one
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  loss teams 1 the Zags Gonzaga watch them against Saint Mary's
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  on Saturday night and what has become the best rivalry on the
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  West coach and what a game that was Braden Huff he's they set
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  out four to 8 weeks with that dislocated kneecap Boy.
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  It feels like that is a stretch even for a guy to come back with
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  that. Do they need him to make a deep
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  run And the other one last team Saint Louis Josh shirts doing an
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  outstanding job there and it's not just the offense that we
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  knew about when he was at Indiana State.
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  They're playing some defense this year.
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  The Billikens. Yeah, You know, I just I went on
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  that whole spiel about how I don't think that there are teams
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  from outside that like the top 10 or 12 that can make the run.
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  If there's one that I think's got a chance to do it, I think
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  it's Saint Louis because of everything that you just
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  mentioned. Like they got shooters that, you
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  know, how difficult they are to guard with Ravi Abdullah in
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  there. And there's length and
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  athleticism on the perimeter that will cause some problems
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  against teams. It's it's crazy, man.
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  They I don't think I've ever seen this before.
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  They lead the nation in effective field goal percentage
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  on offense and on defense, which is not like that's basically I
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  don't think that that's happened in the history of basketball.
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  Like the other ones that were top 3 was like Duke last year.
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  And then I want to say the the one of the Kentucky teams that
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  won a national or one of the Gonzaga teams that made it to a
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  national championship game. So that's what Saint Louis is
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  doing and what that kind of predicts.
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  So I think that they're a very real threat.
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  But with Gonzaga, I, I think they're upsided.
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  They can, they can hang with anybody because they're
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  veterans, because Granby gives really, really good.
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  And then because they have enough different weapons on
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  their perimeter that they can, they can string together enough
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  to get get a win right. And I think that they can beat
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  anybody without Brayden Huff. I think it's very hard to
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  imagine them winning six games in a row where four of those
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  games are going to be against top 15, top 20 caliber opponents
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  without Brayden Huff. Does that make sense?
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  Like they can just one. I don't know if they can get
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  four or five of those without him.
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  Field is 68. Rob Doster joins us.
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  Rob, thanks as always for jumping on.
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  Hopefully can find some time maybe before conference
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  tournament time as I know you guys are peaking right after
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  that. Good.
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  Stuff. How about Monday the 16th?
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  The perfect. I'm coming.
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  I'm coming to Iowa. What for?
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  What? We're going to the Houston, Iowa
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  State game on Monday the 16th. Then I'm getting in the car and
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  I'm driving 7 hours the next morning to go to Michigan at
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  Purdue, the next day in West Lafayette.
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  Because apparently there's not a single flight in the entire
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  state of Iowa that'll take me from Iowa to Indianapolis
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  direct. We got to have a conversation
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  with some of these airports. We got to talk to Des Moines.
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  We got to talk to Ames. We got to talk to some of these
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  airports about getting direct flights from somewhere in the
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  state to Indianapolis. That's my only complaint right
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  now. Iowa.
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  That's my 1 issue with you guys. I like everything else.
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  I love the basketball, love the hoops, especially love the radio
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  host. Got to get some direct flights
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  to Indianapolis. Can we, can we work on this guy?
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  I said the same thing a couple of times for Big 10 championship
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  games. Yeah, it is not going through
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  Chicago. You're going through Chicago.
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  That is the only way. But hey, we're getting a couple
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  of new wings out there at our airport here at DSM.
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  So potentially down the road, but not going to happen quick
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  enough for you Doster. Just give me one.
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  One a day. That's all we need.
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  One flight a day from Des Moines to Indianapolis.
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  All any. Good stuff, buddy.
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  Thanks for jumping on Rob. Appreciate it.
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  Good to talk to you. Thanks.
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  Fellas. Yep, thank you.
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  That's cool. Yes, you can spend Monday at
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  Hilton Coliseum and then in the car off to see a little Purdue
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  action. Yeah, we'll have to see if you.
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  Should try and get him in the studio.
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  Try and get him. I wouldn't depend on what once
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  the once they get here, etcetera.
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  George and I was just traded again.
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  He was he's he's out of Utah. He's headed to Memphis.
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  Memphis traded John Jackson, 7 player trade.
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  Wow. Utah sends a Walter Clayton
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  junior, Kyle Anderson, Taylor Hendricks and George Nyang to
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  Memphis. So from Utah, from Salt Lake to
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  Memphis. Upgrade.
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  City wise, I hated Memphis. Not your town.
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  No, it wasn't Beale Street. You know what?
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  I guess maybe I was expecting New Orleans.
• 18:14
  OK. It's not that, no.
• 18:17
  No, no, no, no, no. It was a far cry.
• 18:19
  It was OK wasn't great. Anyways, Miller and Condon,
• 18:22
  we'll be joined by Chris Andrews when we come back.
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• 18:39
  Chris Andrews is next. Miller and Condon talking
• 18:42
  sports. I'm glad you with us on the Iowa
• 18:44
  Sports Radio Network. I'm Eric Condon.
• 18:47
  Welcome back. Approaching 1:30, We'll take you
• 18:51
  until just before 2. Off the bench.
• 18:53
  At that time, Sean Roberts, Lucas strained 2 until 5.
• 18:56
  Overtime Iowa, 5 until 6. Off we go to Las Vegas.
• 19:01
  Southern end of the Strip. South Point is where you'll find
• 19:05
  our next guest, Chris Andrews. Been there for a long time, A
• 19:09
  multi time authors. Is your latest book out yet?
• 19:13
  Chris Prairie with this Kendall, of course you just talked to
• 19:15
  Trent. Good to speak with you.
• 19:16
  Always appreciate the time is your latest book at the
• 19:19
  publisher. Where's it at, Chris?
• 19:22
  To the publisher right now, you got a few more things to finish
• 19:25
  up before we send it out. But yeah, it should be out, you
• 19:28
  know, hopefully shortly. Good stuff.
• 19:30
  We got it all finished. We got nothing going on this
• 19:32
  week and take some time. And so once once the
• 19:36
  championships are over, Chris, kind of take us, you know, about
• 19:40
  behind the scenes, if you will. You know that it's going to be
• 19:42
  Seattle, you know it's going to be New England.
• 19:44
  How can you re regurgitate props from the previous years?
• 19:50
  Just change the names of the teams.
• 19:52
  How much effort goes into the 2000 or Super Bowl 60 props once
• 19:58
  once we get the two Super Bowl teams identified?
• 20:02
  Well, we kind of have a template that we use with and obviously
• 20:06
  there's going to be some changes every year because different
• 20:08
  teams just have different priorities.
• 20:11
  Let's say last year we had Philadelphia, you know, Sake 1,
• 20:14
  Barclay is going to be a big key to anything they do not.
• 20:18
  Seattle this year is a good running game, but nobody like a
• 20:20
  Saquon Barkley. You know, I would say the same
• 20:24
  for New England. Then you get different defensive
• 20:27
  players, You know, some have a lot of stacks, some don't.
• 20:31
  Some just play really solid defense.
• 20:32
  They intercept balls, things like that.
• 20:35
  So there's always adjustments to be made.
• 20:39
  But we have a very basic template, and I mean, we stray
• 20:43
  off it certainly, but not not that much.
• 20:46
  You guys at the South Point, you're certainly feel more old
• 20:50
  school than other places. And Ken and I, it's one of our
• 20:53
  favorite places to go each and every time we're out there in
• 20:55
  Las Vegas. The way that you guys do things
• 20:57
  for the sports book for me, the horse book for Ken, he
• 21:00
  absolutely loves it and talks about it every single time.
• 21:03
  You know, with that, you've seen so many changes in your ears out
• 21:05
  there. The decades that you've been
• 21:07
  doing what you do as a bookmaker, what has been the
• 21:10
  biggest change that you have seen, the biggest change here
• 21:13
  recently that has changed the way that you guys do things back
• 21:16
  behind the cage? Well, you know, there's not that
• 21:20
  much that we do differently now than I did.
• 21:24
  You know, when I started working for Michael, going, my first job
• 21:27
  with him was in 1980. Since then I moved around, had a
• 21:30
  couple different stints before I came back here.
• 21:33
  So for us, we do things very similar.
• 21:37
  Now, the other things that I've seen across the spectrum of this
• 21:40
  business is people charging for parties, charging for seats,
• 21:44
  gouging the customers as far as your food and drink prices, that
• 21:49
  we take the exact opposite approach.
• 21:53
  And I got texted by somebody yesterday, he told me that as
• 21:57
  far as he can tell, we're the only one with a free party.
• 22:00
  How about that in this town? And we'll have about 2500 people
• 22:04
  in the one in one room that's besides the other room, But and
• 22:08
  our biggest one, about 2500 people.
• 22:10
  And, you know, I think I've sent out the what the menu looks
• 22:14
  like, you know, things like, you know, reasonable prices like
• 22:17
  dollar 50 for a hot dog and, you know, dollar 50 or $2.00 for a
• 22:22
  slice of pizza. I can't remember them all
• 22:23
  offhand, tell you the truth. But everything is very
• 22:26
  reasonable. That's just the way we do things
• 22:27
  here at the South Point. And I know I've heard a lot of
• 22:30
  people talking about Las Vegas. I was Vegas on the downturn and
• 22:36
  things like that. And, and it's a little overblown
• 22:40
  to be honest with you. But there is a little bit of
• 22:42
  truth to it too. And I think when you see the
• 22:44
  reason why it's, you know, Vegas was always a great place for
• 22:49
  that middle America guy to come. And you know, you're going to
• 22:52
  spend a couple $1000, but you get to see a good show, you get
• 22:55
  to eat some good restaurants, you get a little tingle gambling
• 22:58
  at the tables and all that. And that largely has been
• 23:02
  forgotten. So like the gaming numbers are
• 23:04
  really strong. But I think a lot of that has to
• 23:06
  do with the top end of the market.
• 23:08
  Those guys are still spending a lot of money in gaming now.
• 23:12
  Room rates are down, you know, restaurant covers are down, that
• 23:15
  kind of thing that that's what we're seeing a difference.
• 23:17
  It's just not the same Las Vegas really.
• 23:19
  There was even, you know, I'd say 5 to 8 years ago.
• 23:23
  Chris, I want to ask you about prediction markets.
• 23:25
  I, I quite honestly don't understand how they're legal
• 23:28
  exchange wagering came to New Jersey, but it was horses only
• 23:32
  back, I don't know, 15 years ago really never caught on, didn't
• 23:35
  expand outside the footprint. Now you're going to be able to
• 23:38
  wager on what the broadcasters say in the Super Bowl.
• 23:41
  I don't understand how this is not more regulated and how
• 23:45
  seemingly we've just opened up to the wild, Wild West.
• 23:49
  Are these going to be around in a year, do you think?
• 23:51
  Are this shelf life on this limited, Chris?
• 23:53
  Well, how do you, where do you feel come in on on these
• 23:56
  prediction markets? Well, I think it it the least
• 23:59
  it's going to evolve and the thing that people have to
• 24:02
  understand, like I I saw with the one guy and I can't remember
• 24:05
  who it was. Would Maduro get arrested and
• 24:08
  brought to America? Right.
• 24:09
  It's supposedly one 240,000. Where'd that 240 come from?
• 24:16
  You know, it's the thing, you know, in the gambling business,
• 24:20
  it's not like, listen, you invest in the stock market that
• 24:23
  you bought Apple, you buy Google, you buy whoever.
• 24:25
  It goes up and up and up. Let's say you bought it at,
• 24:28
  let's just throw out a number. You bought it at $100 and now
• 24:31
  it's 200. Well, nobody lost 200 for you to
• 24:33
  make that $100. You know, the business got
• 24:36
  better and they grew and etcetera, etcetera.
• 24:39
  Betting is different. If you bet, you know, you bet on
• 24:44
  the Islanders and I've bet on the Penguins, it's going to be a
• 24:48
  0 sum. If you lost 200 bucks and I won
• 24:51
  200 bucks, it comes to 0. And the same with these, you
• 24:55
  know, markets, you know, the money has to come from
• 24:58
  somewhere. And I've got to be quite honest
• 25:00
  with you and I've talked to, you know, guys who are in the know,
• 25:03
  guys like Roxy Roxboro and things.
• 25:05
  And yeah, he's kind of scratching his head too.
• 25:07
  He's not sure exactly where. There's slowly people on the
• 25:11
  other side of it. Obviously there have to be
• 25:13
  because like I said, it is a 0 sum game in this racket.
• 25:17
  But I don't know where it all comes from and I think there
• 25:21
  will be a shake out. How exactly it's going to go, I
• 25:26
  don't know. I'm, I'm sort of towards the end
• 25:29
  of my career. I'm going to be 70 a couple
• 25:31
  months and I'm, I'm glad I'm not looking at this stuff that
• 25:35
  seriously because I'm not sure where it's going to go and I'm
• 25:38
  not sure it's a good thing for the industry either.
• 25:40
  You have such a wide range of props that are available at the
• 25:43
  South Point that you guys put up, but you can bet seemingly
• 25:46
  anything on this game anymore. And what's going to actually
• 25:49
  happen inside the game? I want to go back, though, to
• 25:52
  Super Bowl 20. It was my one of my earliest
• 25:55
  football memories. My Bears for the only time in my
• 25:57
  lifetime, win a Super Bowl as they get it done in Super Bowl
• 26:00
  20. But was that the launch of Super
• 26:03
  Bowl props in a way, the refrigerator getting the
• 26:06
  touchdown in that one. And I think I've heard a wide
• 26:09
  range of stories. I heard that Caesars had it at
• 26:11
  like 50 to one. Other people say it was 20 to
• 26:14
  one for him to score a touchdown in that game.
• 26:16
  Take us back to 1986 Super Bowl 20 and what you remember about
• 26:22
  maybe prop markets exploding to where we are today.
• 26:26
  Well, let me just tell you, I have a better insight than
• 26:29
  probably 99% of the world. That was my cousin that ran
• 26:33
  Caesar's Palace sports book, so I know it quite well.
• 26:37
  Esposito's your cousin. No art man terrace.
• 26:40
  Art man terrace. OK, Yep.
• 26:43
  By the way, I don't know if I'll get any money for this.
• 26:44
  Probably not. I'm going to plug this new book,
• 26:47
  this house called the Bookie Art Man Terrace.
• 26:50
  Yeah. So anybody listening?
• 26:51
  And he goes through that story pretty good.
• 26:54
  They did open it 20 to 1. And, you know, I remember when
• 26:57
  they told me about it. And Trent, there's going to be a
• 27:00
  story in my new book that's coming up that that Super Bowl
• 27:03
  was one of the biggest scores of my life.
• 27:06
  I love the Bears from early on in the season.
• 27:09
  And I remember my telling my cousin, I said, Mike Ditka is
• 27:13
  going to. I don't know.
• 27:14
  I'm a lot. I'm probably not allowed to
• 27:15
  swear on your show. Mike Ditka is going to stick it
• 27:19
  to Las Vegas. He's going to have Perry score
• 27:22
  that touch on just to stick it that you guys, you know,
• 27:25
  Caesar's plat ballast, blah, blah, blah.
• 27:27
  So I'm not putting it up because he's going to score.
• 27:30
  He's going to score. And of course they don't listen
• 27:34
  to me, but but he'll go through in the story.
• 27:38
  Now he comes in, they lost, you know, and you know, this is
• 27:41
  1986. So it's a lot of money lost,
• 27:43
  like about quarter of a million, I think a little more than that.
• 27:46
  And he comes in the next morning and he thinks, oh, my God.
• 27:48
  And then he gets a call. The president of Caesar's Palace
• 27:51
  wants to talk to him. He says, well, I guess I might
• 27:54
  as well be boxing out my stuff because I ain't going to be here
• 27:57
  within the next half hour or so. Instead it was the exact
• 28:00
  opposite. His boss called him and said
• 28:03
  that was the best thing you've ever done.
• 28:05
  We've got so much I want to cut free publicity did cost him like
• 28:09
  1/4 of a million, but it did. But he got so much publicity out
• 28:13
  of that thing that he, he, you know, his bosses and Caesar's.
• 28:16
  But from 250,000 when we got to Saint Caesar's Palace back in
• 28:19
  1986, you know, so and they got a ton of publicity from it.
• 28:25
  And that that was that was really was the start of the
• 28:28
  process. And I always kid my cousin, half
• 28:31
  the time I want to strangle him, the other time I want to kiss
• 28:33
  his feet. But what he's done for this
• 28:35
  industry, because it is a lot of work, we put out all the props,
• 28:39
  but that's that's the first prop.
• 28:41
  That's the first one that, you know, thought he thought outside
• 28:44
  the box. Yeah.
• 28:45
  And I'm in Chucky Esposito. And I guess Richie Bachelori
• 28:48
  might have been part of it. And I think maybe Vinny Mayola
• 28:51
  might have been in there, too. But, you know, those guys all
• 28:53
  put it together. And, you know, Jimmy Matrini,
• 28:57
  that's another name I want to make.
• 28:58
  Oh, Italian. Just say a lot of vowels on.
• 29:01
  The end of names. We got one Greek thrown in
• 29:03
  there. There you go, but.
• 29:06
  But anyway, that was the start of it.
• 29:07
  But it's it's been fantastic ever since then.
• 29:10
  But there's times when it's not automatic that you win on these
• 29:14
  props. Trust me when I tell you that it
• 29:15
  takes a lot of work. Good stuff.
• 29:17
  Chris, my last thing for you kind of A2 parter, let Trent
• 29:20
  finish up as you go back to August, what team maybe did you
• 29:24
  misread the most when it comes to the NFL and who will South
• 29:27
  point? How do you see this game?
• 29:29
  Do you think you'll need Seattle once the kickoff gets here?
• 29:33
  Back to August and then Fast forward to Sunday.
• 29:37
  Well, let's start with the first part of your question and
• 29:39
  probably the team that I misread and probably, you know, I think
• 29:44
  probably 90% of the market being honest with the same thing as
• 29:47
  Buffalo Bills. We had them penciled in as the
• 29:50
  number one seed. You know, we thought that, I
• 29:53
  mean you looked at your schedule at a very easy schedule and we
• 29:56
  didn't see much competition coming out of their vision.
• 30:00
  So we had them kind of penciled in as being the top, the top
• 30:04
  team and in the AFC certainly, and probably even in the entire
• 30:08
  league. So we had them miscalculated.
• 30:11
  Now, as far as who are going to need this game, you know, I
• 30:16
  honestly don't know. So far it's been Seattle.
• 30:19
  But you know, in my book that's coming out, I talk about the one
• 30:22
  Super Bowl with Philadelphia and New England, and that was the
• 30:26
  Nick Foles game. You know, up until game day, we
• 30:30
  had nothing but New England money, nothing.
• 30:32
  But. And then that last day, it
• 30:34
  completely turned around. It was all on Philadelphia.
• 30:37
  So I had, there was a lot of maneuver on my part.
• 30:40
  Not the, you know, you'll hopefully you'll read in the
• 30:42
  book when it comes out, but you never know.
• 30:45
  But as of now, they're going to kick off.
• 30:46
  Now, I would need New England pretty good.
• 30:49
  But there's still a long, long way to go.
• 30:51
  And I've seen these things turn around quite dramatically.
• 30:55
  That kind of has that feeling. It's shaping up.
• 30:56
  It's going to be maybe a pros versus Joe's type of game with
• 30:59
  the sharps jumping on with New England and everybody else going
• 31:02
  to be on Seattle. Well, with that, Chris, you know
• 31:05
  my affinity for betting on college basketball and just pick
• 31:08
  your brain on that. What you guys are seeing in the
• 31:09
  futures market feels maybe top heavy this year, Only a handful
• 31:14
  of teams that can win it all. What are you guys seeing as it
• 31:16
  pertains to futures in college basketball?
• 31:19
  Well, you know, the same every year.
• 31:21
  You know, you got to get bet on most of the, how would I say the
• 31:26
  usual suspects. So we got a lot of money on
• 31:29
  Duke. That's the money on Yukon,
• 31:33
  Arizona. I have money on them.
• 31:35
  But I mean, I'm not in real bad shape with, with Arizona.
• 31:39
  Michigan, I think a lot of guys kind of figured Michigan was
• 31:42
  going to be very good right from the start.
• 31:44
  And once again, they're kind of like Arizona.
• 31:46
  I got money on them, but I'm I'm not in bad shape with any of
• 31:49
  them. You know, again, we've got a
• 31:50
  long, long way to go. But right now I'm looking
• 31:54
  probably Duke is my one team that I'm a little balling on.
• 31:57
  Florida a little bit too. I'm not quite that worried about
• 31:59
  them, you know, Illinois, another one, but you know, only
• 32:03
  one of them is going to win. All the rest of them is going to
• 32:07
  lose, you know, so I got a guy. I'm in bad shape with this.
• 32:11
  I'm in bad shape with that. You know, talk to me once we get
• 32:12
  that in front of me, you know, you know, we'll try to that's,
• 32:16
  you know, the art and the science of bookmaking that
• 32:19
  balances it out as well as you can.
• 32:21
  But there's some really good teams out there and there's
• 32:23
  always somebody that comes out of nowhere.
• 32:25
  Not last year, nobody did, but this year though, I have a
• 32:28
  feeling somebody will come out of nowhere.
• 32:29
  Who that is I have no idea, but there's some good teams out
• 32:32
  there. I think it is pretty well
• 32:33
  balanced because of NIO and that's what.
• 32:36
  They aren't in the science of bookmaking.
• 32:37
  You've done it very well, Chris Andrews, for a very long time.
• 32:40
  Good stuff. Enjoy the week, Chris.
• 32:42
  Appreciate you coming on. I love our conversations when we
• 32:44
  have the opportunity to run you down.
• 32:46
  Thank you, Chris Andrews. Thanks guys.
• 32:49
  Thanks for having me on. It's a pleasure.
• 32:50
  Yeah, good to talk to you. Chris Andrews from the South
• 32:53
  Point really is a gem. It really is, truly.
• 32:55
  It's a great locals play. I saw pictures of them.
• 32:58
  I don't know what. I must click on something.
• 33:00
  They're mobbed on the weekends. Yes, absolutely.
• 33:02
  Absolutely mobbed when Vegas and when the strippers.
• 33:06
  Fremont Street's doing very well.
• 33:07
  South Point is doing incredibly well.
• 33:09
  The Strip's seemingly down a little.
• 33:10
  Bit well, and I just saw a report from December that on the
• 33:14
  Strip, both in terms of I think it was hotel and gaming revenue
• 33:18
  was down to combine like 9% downtown up 11 S point doing
• 33:25
  incredibly well. And what do these places do?
• 33:27
  And it certainly caters to you and I.
• 33:31
  We're not going clubbing anymore.
• 33:32
  No, we're not flying in a private.
• 33:33
  Jet Nope, we're not doing that. We're nickel and dimers.
• 33:36
  We have a good time. We know what we like and these
• 33:38
  places still cater to us. These still cater to the guys
• 33:43
  and go out there, throw a couple bucks out there, have some fun,
• 33:46
  but we're not going out there. We're not looking for a $800
• 33:49
  dinner. What we're looking for, we'll
• 33:52
  have a good dinner. There's plenty of places to do
• 33:54
  that. We'll do that.
• 33:55
  We're not going to bet thousands of dollars on a game.
• 33:58
  I'm not going to go to the craps table and I'm not playing $6000
• 34:01
  out there. No, it might be $150.00 that is
• 34:04
  out there at one time. We are the nickel and dimer, and
• 34:07
  I'm going to guess for a majority of our audience here
• 34:09
  that way. These are the places you want to
• 34:11
  go South Point circa Golden Gate.
• 34:14
  These are the kind of places that work, I think, for most of
• 34:18
  our listeners here across the Iowa Sports Radio Network.
• 34:20
  And Chris is 100% right, a lot of properties they charge you
• 34:24
  now to get a seat and to watch the Super Bowl, including Circa,
• 34:28
  not at South Point and South Point.
• 34:30
  We'll be absolutely packed this weekend, good for Chris Andrews.
• 34:34
  Look forward to reading his his latest book once it comes up.
• 34:38
  One of my favorite things on the way to Vegas is reading and have
• 34:40
  one of Chris's books and fire that and really gets the juices
• 34:44
  flowing out on our way to Vegas that we need to get to.
• 34:47
  We got to get there at least a couple times before you hang it
• 34:49
  up. I'm all for it.
• 34:50
  Miller and Condon. We'll be back.
• 34:52
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• 34:58
  Welcome back. Iowa Sports Radio Network. 10
• 35:01
  minutes before 2, top of the hour.
• 35:04
  Lucas Strange, Sean Roberts take you in till 5:00.
• 35:08
  Well, it's not the best slate of college hoops tonight by a long
• 35:11
  ways. Drake does play tonight.
• 35:13
  That's an ESPN Plus affair against Bradley and a clock tip.
• 35:16
  The Bulldogs are a 9 1/2 point Rd. dog in that one.
• 35:21
  What else is on your agenda tonight?
• 35:24
  Are you playing anything? I am.
• 35:26
  I got 5 plays that I was able to pull out of this heap of kind
• 35:30
  of. Ugly.
• 35:30
  It really is. It's been a bad week.
• 35:33
  Well, Texas Tech cancers. Maybe here's something for you.
• 35:36
  Are your Jets playing tonight? No, they're off till tomorrow.
• 35:39
  You want to get a look at Saint Louis?
• 35:41
  They're on the road tonight on CBS Sports Network, 8:00 TIFF
• 35:44
  out at Davidson. It'll be a 9:00 tip for them out
• 35:47
  there. Davidson's OK.
• 35:48
  They're 13 and 8, so I know you haven't seen much of the bill of
• 35:51
  kids This will be an opportunity for.
• 35:54
  You don't have to do it on ESPN Plus or anything like that.
• 35:56
  Take a look at them. Yeah, plus we'll have the Drake
• 35:58
  game on this. I'm going to watch some of it.
• 36:00
  Yeah, I will, because I've not. And I'm with you.
• 36:02
  When especially, I mean, you've been touting them and then
• 36:04
  Doster came on and he said the same thing about them.
• 36:08
  Yeah. Early on tonight, we get
• 36:10
  undefeated Miami of Ohio on the road to Buffalo.
• 36:14
  They've been doing it by the skin of their teeth for the
• 36:16
  last, what, 2 1/2 weeks basically now seemingly every
• 36:20
  single game they're either down or come roaring back.
• 36:22
  If you look at these, the margin of victory before Northern
• 36:24
  Illinois over the weekend, bunch of close games and I think
• 36:27
  another one tonight. That's one of my 5 plays for
• 36:29
  tonight. Buffalo getting the five.
• 36:31
  Bulls. At home against Miami, Ohio
• 36:34
  feels like a little match in here on a Tuesday night, doesn't
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  it? It's like we're in November.
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  Four other plays for you, a little more teams that maybe at
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  least you've heard of. All right, let's go next to the
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  Big East. Savers bad.
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  I think UConn puts it to him. I'll lay the big.
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  Really. Bad.
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  Yeah, 17 is the number. I'm going to lay it with UConn.
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  I think this is a dominating performance out of them.
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  Something smells here. Texas improving, still not very
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  good. A lot of points with South
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  Carolina, who seems to hang around in a lot of games.
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  Will grab the Gamecocks. Getting 13 1/2 down in Austin.
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  You know, I love betting on Steve Alford.
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  No, not really, but I out here, Boise State down for Leon Rice's
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  team. I'm going to grab the 6 1/2 with
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  the full pack tonight and then late night and this is probably
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  my most intriguing game of the night.
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  It's a big 10 affair. Indiana at USC, obviously, we've
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  seen both of these teams against the Hawkeyes this season.
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  I think US CS better. I'm getting a point.
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  I'll just play the money line minus one O2.
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  Best price that is out there. USC on the money line at home
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  against the Hoosiers. That's a Peacock affair.
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  Peacock 9 Bel. Did I misspeak?
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  Drake plays at Belmont. Belmont.
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  Yeah, Belmont Tonight they're getting getting 9 1/2.
• 37:45
  Speaking of kind of weird scheduling things, I was
• 37:48
  Tuesday. Friday this week.
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  Yes. And I was looking at, well,
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  maybe there's a women's game that I can jump aboard,
• 37:53
  something like that. There is a total out of the 368
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  teams or whatever it is, and all the D1 basketball, there is a
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  total tonight, 123-4568 women's college basketball games. 8
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  that's even possible with that many teams that only has are
• 38:10
  going on a Tuesday night. Eight games, 16 teams involved.
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  Guess it's going to be a busy slate on Wednesday, Thursday if
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  that's the case, but just found that really, really odd.
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  Yeah, no, no doubt about it. All right.
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  Good stuff. Tomorrow, Cappy will join us.
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  I'll look forward to catching up with the cap man.
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  What else have we got going on tomorrow?
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  Jeopardy champion. Of our three time Jeopardy
• 38:30
  champion Vinny Ire. He covers the NFL for The
• 38:32
  Sporting News. He'll join us, John Bowen Camp
• 38:35
  on Iowa and a couple of other topics with our buddy John B.
• 38:39
  So that will be fun. And then late night hoops, the
• 38:41
  Hawks and the Huskies a 10:00 tip.
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  So there's no way you're gonna stay up.
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  For it, I'll say the first half for.
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  The first half and then it's straight to bench.
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  Sure. And then get up, get the coffee,
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  go in. Press Start and sit down and
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  fire up the TV. You don't look at your phone.
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  Nothing. You're just not to load it.
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  I just went to the bathroom, came back and anyways, good
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  stuff. All right, that will do it for
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  us. Appreciate you being with us.
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  We'll be back.