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Norma - Inspiration, Resilience, Hope · Aired Out

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Speaker 1: And good morning, and welcome to a new week. We
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Speaker 1: have a new week and a bunch of new road
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Speaker 1: construction projects to contend with this week. Please slow down,
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Speaker 1: please stay off your phone and drive carefully. We're told
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Speaker 1: starting Wednesday, Exit seventeen, the off ramp up in what
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Speaker 1: Colchester is going to be closed starting at seven pm,
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Speaker 1: seven pm until six am, So keep that in mind. Again,
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Speaker 1: it is starting up Wednesday. I will remind you we're
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Speaker 1: looking at the news over the weekend, not I mean,
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Speaker 1: other than the Swanton shooting, which everybody is talking about
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Speaker 1: this morning. Yeah, another weekend, another shooting here in Vermont.
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Speaker 1: We have the Mounting crewsh that is picking up some
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Speaker 1: steam this morning. Other than that, it was dare I say,
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Speaker 1: in uneventful weekend news wise. I know there were a
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Speaker 1: lot of motorcyclists that were out and the Revolution Ride.
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Speaker 1: I mean, it was just a lot of a lot
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Speaker 1: of bikers that were out and it was just fantastic yesterday.
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Speaker 1: I don't know if you were like me or not,
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Speaker 1: but I was just Chrilyn and Lily and I were
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Speaker 1: just trying to stay warm. Man. It's like if the
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Speaker 1: if the wind would stop whipping for more than five minutes,
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Speaker 1: we just start getting warm and then the wind would
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Speaker 1: pick up again. It was chilli yesterday, really chilly. But
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Speaker 1: Happy Mother's Day to all of the moms. And I
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Speaker 1: hope you had a fantastic weekend no matter what you
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Speaker 1: were doing. I know it was interesting weatherwise, and some
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Speaker 1: pretty good rain on Saturday, but things drying up yesterday,
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Speaker 1: which was nice. We have a sunny start to the
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Speaker 1: day and the work week this morning, and we're going
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Speaker 1: to rebound nicely seventy five degrees later today, which is
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Speaker 1: just so nice. I love that sunny and seventy five.
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Speaker 1: Didn't that just just rings so nice to say that? Tonight?
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Speaker 1: Some clouds down around forty seven. I think it was
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Speaker 1: a Rilyn was telling me there was a frost warning
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Speaker 1: in some parts this morning across fromont I think mostly
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Speaker 1: in the valleys. But we're looking at some clouds tomorrow
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Speaker 1: and Tuesday, highs around seventy five. Nice temperature, and then
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Speaker 1: Wednesday some sunshine and some clouds both but seventy seven,
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Speaker 1: and then I'm here in rumors that we're supposed to
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Speaker 1: be dropping back into the upper fifties. So after that anyway,
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Speaker 1: Birthdays today, I think we have a couple of them,
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Speaker 1: unless they've slipped by me this morning. Yes, right here,
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Speaker 1: they have slipped by me. There were a couple of
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Speaker 1: names that were jumping out at me too. Let's see.
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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, Seth Garish on the birthday list today. You know,
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Speaker 1: Seth give them a shout out today on Facebook. If again.
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Speaker 1: John Cell also dad of Christian, husband of Wendy and
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Speaker 1: such a great guy. Happy birthday, John Sell. Let's see
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Speaker 1: Jay Zampieri, Cheyenne Chase Sherry, Chase Russell on the birthday
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Speaker 1: list today on this May twelfth, Keenan Warner, Happy birthday,
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Speaker 1: Keenan Rusty surprise. And I think there was one more here,
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Speaker 1: Josh Ashley there he is, Happy birthday everybody. Red Sox
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Speaker 1: get a three to one win over Kansas City. They're
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Speaker 1: going to start up a series with Detroit tonight. Yankees
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Speaker 1: twelve to win over the Athletics, a nine to forty
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Speaker 1: first pitch with the Mariners tonight if you're staying up late,
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Speaker 1: and the Celtics and the Knicks Game four. So we
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Speaker 1: got some activity sports wise, not a whole lot. I
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Speaker 1: hope you're off to a good start, no matter who
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Speaker 1: you are, no matter where you are, this morning, a
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Speaker 1: very good day in a good week to you this morning.
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Speaker 1: I have a lady who I have known longer than
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Speaker 1: I thought I did, Norma, welcome to air it out.
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Speaker 1: It is such a pleasure to have you in here.
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Speaker 1: Good morning. I've met you sometime in the nineties, is
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Speaker 1: that right it? Yeah? Tell us about you because you
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Speaker 1: are You're a familiar lady, especially in Northfield, but especially
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Speaker 1: around central Vermont and the Bury area. We see you often.
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Speaker 1: I have seen you often, and you have walked past
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Speaker 1: the studio here a million times, and there's been a
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Speaker 1: couple of times where I've run out and said hi
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Speaker 1: to you. But I'm so glad that finally sitting down
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Speaker 1: with me here in our studio. We're going to talk
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Speaker 1: about your life, which is pretty hard. You've had You've
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Speaker 1: had quite a story, quite a story you have. And
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Speaker 1: you know, we on Wednesday, the middle of the week,
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Speaker 1: we we like to dive headfirst into the message of
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Speaker 1: hope and resiliency. And you are starting out the week
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Speaker 1: with exclamation points on those subjects, are you not? I mean,
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Speaker 1: you really are one tough lady. You talk about real,
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Speaker 1: you talk about raw. Uh. This is it right here?
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Speaker 1: Where'd you grow up Northfield, in Northfield, Okay, how old
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Speaker 1: are you now?
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Speaker 2: On sixty two?
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Speaker 1: Okay, sixty two? So I've known you for between twenty
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Speaker 1: and thirty years something like that. It's crazy amazing. When
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Speaker 1: people see you, they know there's something about that lady.
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Speaker 1: She's got a story. You have a walker that is
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Speaker 1: unlike other walkers. It is a standing walker.
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Speaker 2: It's an upwalker.
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Speaker 1: It's an upwalker. Okay.
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Speaker 2: They make them to your height and wait.
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Speaker 1: Okay, and that's how you get around it. You've been
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Speaker 1: getting around with this walker for a long time.
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Speaker 2: I've had a lot of different walkers.
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Speaker 1: Okay, So you know, I just saw you, and I've
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Speaker 1: seen you more than you know I'm seeing you. But
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Speaker 1: I just saw you getting off a bus not too
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Speaker 1: long ago, public transportation, and not today, not today, but
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Speaker 1: within the last couple of weeks. And I said, man,
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Speaker 1: it's it is high time that I get Norma on
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Speaker 1: the air. What what happened? Why? Why do you have
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Speaker 1: a walker?
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Speaker 2: My balance is shot?
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Speaker 1: Okay? Is that it? That's really we're just scratching the
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Speaker 1: surface here. What happened? There was an accident?
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Speaker 2: Yeah, and thousand I lived in Northfield Falls trailer park
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Speaker 2: and I was hit by a car in my dooryard.
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Speaker 1: Okay, twenty five years ago. What happened on that day?
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Speaker 2: Rest worker drove in my yard and ran me over?
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Speaker 2: She was a Vermont State resport worker.
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Speaker 1: Okay. Was it a situation where I mean, were they intoxicated?
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Speaker 1: Were they driving too fast?
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Speaker 2: Nope? She drove in my yard and drove right on
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Speaker 2: top of my right foot, compacted me between her vehicle
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Speaker 2: and mine, stayed on top of me.
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Speaker 1: And what happened after that?
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Speaker 2: She get out of her vehicle. Her vehicle was still
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Speaker 2: on top of my foot. I mean, get out of
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Speaker 2: her cancer. Are you okay? I said, well, I probably
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Speaker 2: would be being not knowing because I was. I don't
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Speaker 2: know what to think of it. She got out of
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Speaker 2: her car and said, are you okay? I said, I
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Speaker 2: probably would be. To get off my foot.
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Speaker 1: Okay.
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Speaker 2: My husband came home about three o'clock. Happened around three o'clock,
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Speaker 2: and he had to put me in the back of
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Speaker 2: my Ego station wagon and took off my shoe and
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Speaker 2: my foot went okay, And I ended up driving like
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Speaker 2: that and walking like that for over four months.
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Speaker 1: Did you call did someone come and help.
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Speaker 2: You to the I called the ambulance.
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Speaker 1: Okay, what about your your neighbors? Did they come running
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Speaker 1: to help you?
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Speaker 2: No? I had all kinds of people in my driveway
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Speaker 2: and they were all for her.
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Speaker 1: Was she insured at all? Okay?
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Speaker 2: She had her two little kids with her. Okay, traumatized
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Speaker 2: my kids. My oldest one, Ashley, got in the backseat
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Speaker 2: of her van, calmed her two kids down.
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Speaker 1: Ambulance comes. What do they do the animalance?
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Speaker 2: I called the ambulance and they came, and they had
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Speaker 2: to wrap up my right leg and put me into
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Speaker 2: the ambulance.
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Speaker 1: All right, did you mean to the hospital? Do you
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Speaker 1: have surgery?
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Speaker 2: Nope?
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Speaker 1: Okay, even though your your foot was was pretty smashed up.
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Speaker 1: No surgery, nope, okay.
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Speaker 2: They didn't find anything wrong with it. They brought me
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Speaker 2: to the hospital and didn't find anything wrong with that.
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Speaker 2: I said, well, I'd just been runn over.
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Speaker 1: Okay, what about your other your other leg?
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Speaker 2: No, my other leg was fine. I was compacted up
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Speaker 2: to my hips, so I had besides them.
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Speaker 1: So then, so then what happened.
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Speaker 2: That was it took me to the hospital and sent
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Speaker 2: me home. And this was in two thousand, Okay, September
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Speaker 2: twenty seven, did.
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Speaker 1: You Was there a police report? Was there a law suit?
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Speaker 1: Did you? Did you get there was no lawsuit? Okay?
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Speaker 1: Did you get a lawyer?
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Speaker 2: Yeah? I had a lawyer Okay. It was out a
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Speaker 2: month payer.
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Speaker 1: Okay, And how did that? How did that work? But
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Speaker 1: what what did they do? What did they say?
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Speaker 2: I went to his office a couple of times, towed
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Speaker 2: on my foot.
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Speaker 1: Nay.
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Speaker 2: Uh. He brought me to a different lawyer down here
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Speaker 2: and bury up over the movie theater. Yeah, and the
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Speaker 2: lawyer said I was the biggest friut he ever saw.
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Speaker 1: Hm. That can't be the end of the story. Okay,
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Speaker 1: I mean it's that this is seems like they're there
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Speaker 1: should have been a whole lot more going on here,
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Speaker 1: a lot more representation.
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Speaker 2: Nope.
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Speaker 1: Okay, so you you are, you're walking around as a
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Speaker 1: injured person that has not been represented. There was there
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Speaker 1: was no recourse here.
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Speaker 2: There was no no. They didn't get into up to
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Speaker 2: me or anything after that. It just ended.
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Speaker 1: Okay. I'm not sure that, uh that I can really
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Speaker 1: grasp that. I'm not sure I understand how something like
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Speaker 1: this could fall through the cracks.
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Speaker 2: I don't either.
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Speaker 1: Did you get another lawyer? Did you? Did you get
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Speaker 1: Did you reach out to any state resources from a
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Speaker 1: bar association?
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Speaker 2: I don't know how to go about all that.
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Speaker 1: Okay, So nineteen ninety five or mid nineties, life was
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Speaker 1: kind of going well for you. You got married, right, Yeah.
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Speaker 2: Got married, had two children.
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Speaker 1: Okay, Then what happened?
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Speaker 2: Lived in Tunbridge at the time. Oh, I was living
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Speaker 2: in that Dogwood Glen and friend of ours got us
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Speaker 2: together and ran off and we got married in ninety five.
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Speaker 2: I had my children first, Yeah, that were born in
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Speaker 2: ninety to ninety one.
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Speaker 1: Things were were going well.
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Speaker 2: Yeah.
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Speaker 1: Okay, so you're you're a Northfield girl. This is this
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Speaker 1: is where you're from. This is where your roots are.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, Wall Street and King Street?
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Speaker 1: Okay, is that where you were born?
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Speaker 2: I was born here in Barry.
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Speaker 1: Okay. How was your childhood? Do you have a mom
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Speaker 1: and dad?
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Speaker 2: I grew up with no mother. My mother sohought herself
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Speaker 2: at thirty one years old. I was only five and
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Speaker 2: a half months old, so I didn't know her.
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Speaker 1: What about that?
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Speaker 2: My dad just died nineteen years ago. I was with him.
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Speaker 1: Right here in Barry.
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Speaker 2: No, he died at uh nursing home in Norfield.
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Speaker 1: Okay, were you close with him.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, we worked every day. He would come home go
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Speaker 2: to the legion. When I didn't want to eat at home,
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Speaker 2: I would go find my dad ask him for some
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Speaker 2: money to get something to eat because I was laying
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Speaker 2: basted and forced fred in a corner to eat where
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Speaker 2: when I lived in Norfield?
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Speaker 1: Why was that?
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Speaker 2: Because I'm a slow eater and my uncle wouldn't sit
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Speaker 2: to a table while I was eating because I would
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Speaker 2: still be there when he was done.
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Speaker 1: Okay, So good relationship with your dad? Yeah, he treated
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Speaker 1: you well.
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Speaker 2: I hardly ever saw him. Okay, he was a rooking guy.
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Speaker 1: Okay, do you have any other family or I have a.
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Speaker 2: Brother that committed suicide because down here in Barry at
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Speaker 2: the Old Country Cousins, there was five guys that gained
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Speaker 2: up and meet to live in daylights out of them
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Speaker 2: paralyzed them, brain damaged, and he ended up in Burlington
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Speaker 2: Hospital for a month and a half, couldn't beat himself
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Speaker 2: and walk.
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Speaker 1: I remember that. I didn't know that was your brother.
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Speaker 2: At nineteen eighty two February twenty thirty took his life.
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Speaker 2: Is my brother, Joe?
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Speaker 1: Any sisters?
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I have a sister and I have a half sister.
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Speaker 1: Where do they live? Are they still life?
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Speaker 2: My sister lives down here in Barry and she has
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Speaker 2: nothing to do with me.
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Speaker 1: Okay.
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Speaker 2: I don't know where my half sister lives.
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Speaker 1: Okay.
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Speaker 2: And I have an Irish twin in Burlington.
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Speaker 1: Okay, you ever met the twin?
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Speaker 2: I have an Irish twin, yeah, okay.
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Speaker 1: In Irish twin. Okay.
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Speaker 2: We're eleven and a half months fire.
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Speaker 1: Okay, So what happened? So? So the marriage was was
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Speaker 1: going well after you had your your two kids.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, and then he ended up cheating on me?
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Speaker 1: Okay, So what happened?
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Speaker 2: I got divorced?
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Speaker 1: Then then you did what?
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Speaker 2: And then I've been on my own ever since. I
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Speaker 2: raised one of two girls.
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Speaker 1: You raised your two girls? Okay? And you did you
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Speaker 1: get like an apartment or did you buy a home?
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Speaker 1: What did you? What did you do? After?
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Speaker 2: I lived in the Falls Trailer Park and uh Rachel
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Speaker 2: Perkins from Washington County Mental Health down here in Berry
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Speaker 2: had my youngest one taken away from me and she
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Speaker 2: lived with d DMS in Northfield up on the bar
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Speaker 2: fire mode And after a while Ellie wrote the state
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Speaker 2: letter saying she wanted to come back to her mother.
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Speaker 2: So they let her and then she went to live
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Speaker 2: with d after when when she was going to school
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Speaker 2: in Randolph, special ed in the same class I went to,
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Speaker 2: only they changed the name. And then we lived in
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Speaker 2: the Falls trailer Park. She took a knife out of
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Speaker 2: the drawer because Ashley was playing with a dog and
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Speaker 2: told her she didn't quit playing with the dog, She's
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Speaker 2: gonna kill herself. And I had to have the cops
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Speaker 2: come down. And Ashley was with a guy on the
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Speaker 2: fire department from Morrisville, and he tried to take the
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Speaker 2: knife away for dinner. She wouldn't give it to him,
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Speaker 2: so the cops are called. Cops tried to take the
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Speaker 2: knife away. We ended up a new police station. Her
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Speaker 2: father ended up taking her.
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Speaker 1: What a mess. Yeah, And then so late nineties, you
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Speaker 1: moved to Northfield Falls and then this horrific crash takes
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Speaker 1: place in two thousand where you get hit by this car.
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Speaker 2: Nineteen ninety nine, we moved in Falls trailer Park. Okay,
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Speaker 2: we moved from Randolph to Hardwick.
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Speaker 1: All right, So you're you're dealing with injuries after the
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Speaker 1: two thousand car accident. Fast forward to two thousand and four,
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Speaker 1: you get cancer.
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Speaker 2: Okay, I'm a two time cancer survivor.
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Speaker 1: I think it might be fair to say, Norma that
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Speaker 1: you are maybe a survivor of just a little bit
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Speaker 1: more than cancer two times.
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Speaker 2: Yeah. We had a major head on collision in two
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Speaker 2: thousand and eight.
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Speaker 1: I was hit.
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Speaker 2: I was going up through I was going from Woodbury
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Speaker 2: into Hardwick and this woman from Hardwick took me out
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Speaker 2: on my side of the road and they said, if
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Speaker 2: she had hit me any harder, she would have ejected
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Speaker 2: my oldest daughter right through the back. One chilled my
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Speaker 2: brand new man I had.
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Speaker 1: So yeah, I'm just trying to I'm trying to wrap
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Speaker 1: my head around.
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Speaker 2: It's complicated.
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Speaker 1: A lot of this here which I wasn't here. I am.
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Speaker 1: You know, I've known you for somewhere between twenty and
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Speaker 1: thirty years, and some of this I'm hearing for the
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Speaker 1: first time right now. So what was the cancer in
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Speaker 1: two thousand and four and I.
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Speaker 2: Had Bad's cancer?
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Speaker 1: Okay? How was that dealt with?
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Speaker 2: Not very good? Wouldn't they send me to Dartmouth? Okay,
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Speaker 2: I won't go back there.
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Speaker 1: Did what did they? What did they do?
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Speaker 2: I found the cancer myself. I went to doctor Mason
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Speaker 2: that was up here at the hospital. And he did
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Speaker 2: buiofseas and stuff and told me that I had it,
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Speaker 2: and then they sent me to Dharmas so they could
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Speaker 2: treat me for it, and at the end of it
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Speaker 2: didn't want me to go for any more radiation, so
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Speaker 2: they sent me to this person that didn't listen to
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Speaker 2: me about my records because I'm highly allergic to IVP
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Speaker 2: kidney dye. And I told the person that. She said, well,
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Speaker 2: we're gonna put a balloon and so you won't have
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Speaker 2: to go for any more radiation. And I said, you
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Speaker 2: can't use IVP kidney dye. I'm highly allergic to it.
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Speaker 2: Well did you become allergic to her? I said eighty
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Speaker 2: between and it was in the eighties. And she said, well,
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Speaker 2: I'm going to do it anyways in front of my children.
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Speaker 2: She could have killed me. And I went home that night.
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Speaker 2: It was on a Friday night, on a weekend, and
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Speaker 2: the whole thing popped. It broke, and it wasn't good
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Speaker 2: because I ended up sick and my husband wouldn't take
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Speaker 2: me back to Damas and this went on from there.
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Speaker 1: Did you have a a missect me?
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Speaker 2: No?
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Speaker 1: Okay, no? Did they did they get a hold of
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Speaker 1: this though? I mean did they.
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Speaker 2: They don't know what that lady did to me?
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Speaker 1: Okay, Wow.
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Speaker 2: And then twenty three I had it again on the
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Speaker 2: other side.
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Speaker 1: Twenty What do you mean twenty three?
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Speaker 3: Twenty twenty three just a couple of years ago, Okay, And.
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Speaker 2: Now I'm on a pill for five years to keep
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Speaker 2: it from coming back.
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Speaker 1: Two thousand and nine, you got some back problems. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: what happened?
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Speaker 2: I ended up going to Dartmouth for a major back surgery.
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Speaker 1: What was that?
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Speaker 2: They didn't even want to do it. The doctor didn't
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Speaker 2: even want to do it, but he did.
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Speaker 1: What did he do?
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Speaker 2: It was my vertebrates and stuff in my back.
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Speaker 1: My disc Okay, did you have like a fusion?
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Speaker 2: I have particles in my back okay, screws and robs.
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Speaker 2: And then twenty seventeen I had another back surgery, major
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Speaker 2: back surgery. I died in it. Then they brought me back.
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Speaker 1: Then your heart gives out.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I went into APEB In twenty nineteen. My elbow surgery. Okay,
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Speaker 2: I had to have both elbows operated on because I
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Speaker 2: had neurocipe.
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Speaker 1: Didn't you have a heart attack in like two ten? Yeah?
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Speaker 2: I had a heart attack in twenty ten. Ended up
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Speaker 2: in the hospital a couple of days. Then when the
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Speaker 2: nurse went to take the IV out, she forgot about
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Speaker 2: it and my hand ended up bleeding all over the place.
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Speaker 2: I said, well, you better fix this. This isn't right.
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Speaker 2: And they knew something. They knew that something was wrong
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Speaker 2: with my heart. They didn't tell me it was. I
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Speaker 2: don't know what year was. I've had all kinds of
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Speaker 2: stuff going on. And my doctor was supposed to get
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Speaker 2: me into a hard doctor after I had my elbow
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Speaker 2: surgery and he didn't because he was tending to it.
31:04
Speaker 2: And then Christmas Christmas Eve this past year, I ended
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Speaker 2: up passing out at church and come to find out
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Speaker 2: it was because of my heart. So it brought me
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Speaker 2: to the hospital. And that's what I just said, Well,
31:24
Speaker 2: she's had this problem before. I've never passed out in
31:30
Speaker 2: church before. I've had trouble pain. Well it was in church,
31:35
Speaker 2: but this time I actually passed out and I didn't
31:41
Speaker 2: know it was because of my heart.
31:43
Speaker 1: Speaking of church, and I can't help but notice the
31:48
Speaker 1: cross on your hat.
31:53
Speaker 2: I'd love to go to church. I've been going to
31:56
Speaker 2: church since I was eight nine years old. I would
31:59
Speaker 2: go across town and get my best friend, and she'd
32:02
Speaker 2: go to church with me in Northfield. I've been going
32:06
Speaker 2: to church a lot. I used to go to the
32:11
Speaker 2: Little White Church of South Norfield and then they close.
32:17
Speaker 2: And I used to go to faith community, but I
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Speaker 2: don't anymore. I go to Enough Ministry. I'm a member
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Speaker 2: of it. That's where I was baptized.
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Speaker 1: When were you baptized?
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Speaker 2: June fifth of this year, it will be three years.
32:38
Speaker 2: My daughter Ashley and I, Pastor Dan and his wife Kathy,
32:42
Speaker 2: went to Morrisville, picked up my daughter, brought her up
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Speaker 2: so she could get baptized with me.
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Speaker 1: Which daughter is that?
32:53
Speaker 2: My oldest one?
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Speaker 4: Your oldest one who lives up in Morrisville. Okay, Yeah,
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Speaker 4: So I'm gonna just be uh, I'm just gonna be really,
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Speaker 4: I guess, for lack of a better term, blunt with you.
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Speaker 1: It seems like folks who have been dealt the cards
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Speaker 1: that you've been dealt with. You were run over by
33:27
Speaker 1: a car, You've had cancer twice, back surgery, toys twice,
33:37
Speaker 1: heart attacks, multiple operations, both of your feet, you have uh,
33:49
Speaker 1: what what are these braces on your your feet? Called here?
33:56
Speaker 1: You have special boots, special shoe shoots with boots with
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Speaker 1: metal braces coming up both sides almost up almost up
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Speaker 1: to your knees.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, they do go up to my knees. I call
34:15
Speaker 2: them shoes.
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Speaker 1: And and on the other leg as well.
34:26
Speaker 2: You can't wear just one, you have to have both
34:28
Speaker 2: of them.
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Speaker 1: And this keeps your feet. What is this to How
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Speaker 1: does this help you?
34:36
Speaker 2: The shoes are they're orcopedic, they're special shoes. I can't
34:45
Speaker 2: wear regular shoes anymore.
34:50
Speaker 1: Okay. And what about the other the other the other?
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Speaker 2: Okay, dude getting run over and crush.
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Speaker 1: From from the from getting run over by a car.
35:11
Speaker 1: And that was twenty five years ago.
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Speaker 2: It's dumber. Twenty seven will be twenty five years Yeah.
35:30
Speaker 1: Uh, you know, I'm just just clancing at the comments here. Billy.
35:43
Speaker 1: Uh just nailed it. Uh, Praise the Lord, Glory to God.
35:47
Speaker 1: Your testimony is inspiring. How do I say this? It
35:57
Speaker 1: just seems like people who have, like I was saying,
36:00
Speaker 1: have been dealt cards like you have either travel on
36:13
Speaker 1: onward in life very much. And I know I might
36:20
Speaker 1: be kind of generalizing here, but I think most of
36:25
Speaker 1: my listeners might get the gist of what I'm saying.
36:30
Speaker 1: Would would go on in life either very much? A
36:35
Speaker 1: believing in God and having faith in God or not
36:44
Speaker 1: you do?
36:46
Speaker 2: I have five grandkids to live for.
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Speaker 1: Wow, and they love you.
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Speaker 2: Hm, I don't get to see them?
37:04
Speaker 1: Okay, how why do Why do you not get to
37:07
Speaker 1: see them? What's the deal with that?
37:09
Speaker 2: But took them away, took my first daughter's four kids away,
37:17
Speaker 2: and then they turned around and took my second daughter's
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Speaker 2: child away.
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Speaker 1: Mm hmm. You still find faith?
37:39
Speaker 2: I believe in God. Highley.
37:46
Speaker 1: Where are you on the the hope scale? Because a
37:53
Speaker 1: lot of us just gonna be straight with you here,
38:00
Speaker 1: a lot of us who don't have health issues, We
38:06
Speaker 1: don't have whatever it may be, financial problems. We haven't
38:13
Speaker 1: been dealt some pretty hard knocks, lack hope.
38:21
Speaker 2: Sometimes I don't have any hope. Sometimes I just want
38:25
Speaker 2: to give up. I don't know how to go on.
38:38
Speaker 1: Sometimes for the most part, though, do you feel on
38:53
Speaker 1: any given day that you begin with hope? Yeah?
39:00
Speaker 2: Sometimes I have a lot of hope. Sometimes I just.
39:03
Speaker 1: Don't want to go What are you hoping for just
39:12
Speaker 1: to survive another day? Or are you hoping to be
39:16
Speaker 1: to have a better relationship with your daughters or your
39:20
Speaker 1: grand or to see your grandkids? What is the hope.
39:23
Speaker 1: What's the root of it for you?
39:26
Speaker 2: I hope to be able to see my granddaughters, my
39:29
Speaker 2: grandsons graduate from high school there.
39:33
Speaker 1: It is how close are we to that, you know?
39:41
Speaker 2: I have a fifteen year old, my oldest granddaughter, which
39:45
Speaker 2: is blind and deaf, so right now she's being homeschooled,
39:53
Speaker 2: but she wants to go back to school to have
39:56
Speaker 2: the ability to talk to people. And sure, so she's
40:05
Speaker 2: going to go back to school. I have a fourteen
40:10
Speaker 2: year old that's in high school. Socialization is what it is.
40:16
Speaker 2: My oldest one wants to go back for socialization and
40:20
Speaker 2: she knows that Hazing Union doesn't have the special heed
40:25
Speaker 2: that they should have to be able to help. My
40:28
Speaker 2: two granddaughters that are blind and deaf. We have the
40:36
Speaker 2: chromosoone seventeen deletion syndrome and that causes a lot of
40:42
Speaker 2: our disabilities and it has caused them to be blind
40:49
Speaker 2: and deaf. My oldest one which is Leilah, and then
40:54
Speaker 2: my youngest one is Melyssa. Melissa's thirteen, and they all
41:04
Speaker 2: go to well Byla and Ulyssa don't go to school
41:07
Speaker 2: because they're homeschooled because they're both blind and death. But yeah,
41:14
Speaker 2: because of the chromosome.
41:18
Speaker 1: I have seen you norma over at the soup kitchen
41:25
Speaker 1: down to the basement at Enough Ministries. You're there two
41:33
Speaker 1: days a week, three days a week, three days a week.
41:37
Speaker 1: Upstairs is the sanctuary where you attend church. Right, you're
41:47
Speaker 1: there four days a week. Pastor Josh, pastor Dan.
41:59
Speaker 2: Patty, pastor Chuck Chuck, which you were starting another church.
42:07
Speaker 1: These people have really become your family. They love you,
42:20
Speaker 1: They take you in no matter what the hell's going on.
42:29
Speaker 1: Are you receiving other are you What kind of services
42:34
Speaker 1: are you getting? Are you over at Capstone? You have
42:37
Speaker 1: an apartment here in Barry? Do you live alone? Okay?
42:43
Speaker 1: Are you receiving any other services? What kind of help
42:46
Speaker 1: are you getting? You got public transportation? But what else?
42:55
Speaker 2: I get? Medicaid, medicare the advantage in turns? Okay, I
43:13
Speaker 2: get food stamps?
43:15
Speaker 1: Anything else?
43:18
Speaker 2: Nope?
43:27
Speaker 1: Have you ever thought about panhandling? Have you ever thought
43:35
Speaker 1: about just being out on the street with a cup
43:43
Speaker 1: to collect change? Do you ask for money? Why?
43:51
Speaker 2: Because that's not the way I was brought up, not
43:57
Speaker 2: the way I was raised. I was told, if you
44:01
Speaker 2: don't have it, you don't get it. You don't have
44:05
Speaker 2: the money, you don't buy it.
44:12
Speaker 1: I know that this can be a slippery slope, but
44:16
Speaker 1: I'll just and I'll say this again. I have a
44:21
Speaker 1: pretty good feeling that the majority of my listeners understand
44:29
Speaker 1: my gist. And I don't always have a great way
44:35
Speaker 1: with words. I know what it is that I'm thinking.
44:39
Speaker 1: I'm trying to verbalize it here. But there are folks
44:45
Speaker 1: in very, very very different situations and scenarios than you
44:55
Speaker 1: that are panhandling that ask for my and maybe some
45:03
Speaker 1: of that is justified, and maybe it's not. I you know,
45:14
Speaker 1: and it doesn't matter if it's Berry, Montpeli or Burlington.
45:22
Speaker 1: It just makes me. It just makes me think, It
45:26
Speaker 1: makes it makes me think. This kind of subject matter
45:32
Speaker 1: can rent space in my head. When I see someone
45:37
Speaker 1: who doesn't have and there's been a few that I've
45:43
Speaker 1: known personally that don't have anywhere near the story that
45:48
Speaker 1: you have had, but they're asking and receiving a lot
45:59
Speaker 1: of financial help. When I meet someone like you who
46:12
Speaker 1: has really been dealt some some bad cards and you
46:26
Speaker 1: are still maintaining self sufficiency, self reliance, that's remarkable to me.
46:51
Speaker 1: You are, You're a very resilient woman.
47:01
Speaker 2: You're very tough, been to Helen, still going through it,
47:07
Speaker 2: but you got to live it.
47:13
Speaker 1: You don't have to live it though you don't have to,
47:19
Speaker 1: but you are. That says an awful lot about a
47:28
Speaker 1: lot more than just your character. There's something that's primal
47:35
Speaker 1: within you that makes you want to keep fighting and
47:39
Speaker 1: keep pushing on.
47:44
Speaker 2: I have to keep going. I have a daughter that's
47:46
Speaker 2: going to be going to college. Got accepted to college.
47:52
Speaker 1: When is that happening?
47:55
Speaker 2: The guy that screwed her up on it is going
47:58
Speaker 2: to work with her and hopefully she will be able
48:02
Speaker 2: to get in before September. She's got a lot of grants.
48:13
Speaker 1: God bless her.
48:15
Speaker 2: She just turned thirty five and she wants to be
48:19
Speaker 2: in LNA.
48:21
Speaker 1: Just got a comment here, Wow, I thought my trials
48:24
Speaker 1: and tribulations were hard in my life. Makes me see
48:28
Speaker 1: my life hasn't been as hard as I thought. You
48:31
Speaker 1: are a strong woman. Your testimony and your strength, faith, courage,
48:36
Speaker 1: and knowing Jesus is walking with you. You have a
48:38
Speaker 1: divine purpose trust in Him. And I cannot speak more
48:42
Speaker 1: highly of enough ministries. I recently started going after twenty
48:46
Speaker 1: five plus years, and I feel accepted in a very
48:50
Speaker 1: warm family feeling. I invite anyone who wants to experience
48:55
Speaker 1: peace and Jesus is your savior. I am so proud
49:04
Speaker 1: to call Enough Ministries a sponsor presenting sponsor of this podcast,
49:14
Speaker 1: and listen. I am well aware that there are mornings
49:20
Speaker 1: and topics of discussion and banter and whatnot on these
49:25
Speaker 1: microphones that maybe make Pastor Josh and Pastor Chuck and
49:34
Speaker 1: Pastor Dan kind of scratched their heads. But no matter
49:42
Speaker 1: what comes out of my mouth or what comes out
49:45
Speaker 1: of the mouth of my guests, those guys and pat
49:54
Speaker 1: are my friends, and I love and support them very much,
50:01
Speaker 1: even though we get pretty wild here on times on
50:07
Speaker 1: the on the air and get very inappropriate. But this
50:15
Speaker 1: is this is what aired out is. I mean, honestly,
50:19
Speaker 1: you any given day you tune in, you don't know
50:23
Speaker 1: what you're gonna get. You don't know what you're gonna hear.
50:26
Speaker 1: We're all over the road. We have conversations like this,
50:30
Speaker 1: and on Thursday when g comes in here, we're gonna
50:35
Speaker 1: throw some gas on the fire and we're gonna have
50:38
Speaker 1: plenty of laughs.
50:39
Speaker 2: We used to be all over the road. When you're
50:41
Speaker 2: a froggy too, I.
50:44
Speaker 1: Remember, well, God that was a long time ago, A
50:49
Speaker 1: long time ago.
50:52
Speaker 2: Have won coffee cups off your program?
50:56
Speaker 1: Have you really?
50:57
Speaker 2: Yeah?
51:02
Speaker 1: Man, it's.
51:06
Speaker 2: I have Nashley.
51:07
Speaker 1: Has you are? You're an inspiration. You still smile, you
51:15
Speaker 1: still laugh, You joke around with me when I see you,
51:23
Speaker 1: and I enjoy sitting next to you and sharing a
51:27
Speaker 1: meal with you every now and then. Over there.
51:32
Speaker 2: To what church is about, I've been with them for
51:38
Speaker 2: ten years or more.
51:40
Speaker 1: Do you think that that's what's partly responsible for what's
51:45
Speaker 1: keeping you going? Do you pray every night? Come on,
51:53
Speaker 1: be honest, normal?
51:55
Speaker 2: No, I am being honest.
51:58
Speaker 1: No. Yeah.
52:00
Speaker 2: John three sixteen is my favorite verse, though I've known
52:04
Speaker 2: not forerever tell me what it is John three sixteen,
52:07
Speaker 2: for God so loved the world that he gave his
52:09
Speaker 2: only begotten son to who you ever believe? It's a nijure?
52:12
Speaker 2: Not parents, But I have ever lapsed to night. I've learned
52:18
Speaker 2: that when I was little.
52:26
Speaker 1: My hope is that we can all learn something from
52:33
Speaker 1: episodes like this on aired out, that we can all
52:38
Speaker 1: learn something from you, Norma. You never know who you're
52:48
Speaker 1: looking at. You never know who you're looking at. We
52:54
Speaker 1: all have a story and for the last hour. We've
53:02
Speaker 1: just been scratching the surface of yours. There. You've got
53:06
Speaker 1: some really deep, deep stuff that's going on. Are you
53:10
Speaker 1: getting any mental health help and in any capacity?
53:17
Speaker 2: I've been in mental health for a long time. After
53:21
Speaker 2: my brother she Sees Themselves. My aunt took me over
53:25
Speaker 2: there in Montpei her and dropped me off.
53:28
Speaker 1: Okay, are you still getting any kind of any kind of.
53:35
Speaker 2: Help when I need them? I column okay.
53:42
Speaker 1: I think when people see you walking the streets, Barry
53:52
Speaker 1: with this upwalker, this special walker which holds your body
53:57
Speaker 1: up upright, I think people are going to be reminded
54:06
Speaker 1: of this episode this morning and who Norma is. There's
54:15
Speaker 1: a lot to your story. Man. It's like we could
54:21
Speaker 1: peel it back all day, but you still are, You're
54:29
Speaker 1: still going, and it's remarkable to me. Frankly, this one
54:38
Speaker 1: will resonate with me for quite a while, at the
54:42
Speaker 1: very least the rest of the day, if not the
54:45
Speaker 1: rest of this week. And I hope it does the
54:48
Speaker 1: same for others, to be reminded of what it means
54:54
Speaker 1: to be resilient, what it means to have hope.
55:06
Speaker 2: I also have four vertebrae and dicks sticking out of
55:09
Speaker 2: the back of my neck from the two thousand and
55:11
Speaker 2: eight had on collision. Wow, I had a broken practiced
55:18
Speaker 2: bone in my knee that I still have. And there
55:21
Speaker 2: was a doctor down to Morrisville and he told what
55:25
Speaker 2: it's a pedict that if she got me out of
55:27
Speaker 2: the hospital in two days, he's buyer or soda. He
55:29
Speaker 2: got fired because I called the main person and talked
55:37
Speaker 2: to them, told him what he said.
55:40
Speaker 1: Will you come in here again sometime and maybe give
55:47
Speaker 1: us an update on how you're doing.
55:51
Speaker 2: I don't have to go back to the hard doctor
55:53
Speaker 2: for six months, so okay, so.
55:56
Speaker 1: This summer you and I, yeah, you'll get back in here.
56:02
Speaker 2: Right.
56:03
Speaker 1: You're so self dependent independent, You're that's.
56:10
Speaker 2: Why I don't stand out on a street with a
56:12
Speaker 2: cup or anything, because I do it myself. I do
56:15
Speaker 2: it myself or I don't do it.
56:18
Speaker 1: I'll tell everyone this morning. I wasn't gonna say this,
56:20
Speaker 1: but I'll say it now. I offered to give you
56:24
Speaker 1: to pick you up and give you a ride in
56:25
Speaker 1: here this morning. And your comment to me was, what
56:29
Speaker 1: the hell do I need to ride for? I'm gonna walk.
56:32
Speaker 1: I said that, Yes you did, Yes you did. You said,
56:37
Speaker 1: I'll ride or I'll walk and you did.
56:41
Speaker 2: I walk all the time.
56:42
Speaker 1: I know you did.
56:43
Speaker 2: I'm a constant walker. Yeah, I'm not gonna get anywhere
56:48
Speaker 2: if I don't.
56:50
Speaker 1: Wow, and you're gonna walk home now?
56:56
Speaker 2: Yep, jeez, walk all over everywhere.
57:06
Speaker 1: Thank you for coming in here, Nourah, welcome. Thank you
57:10
Speaker 1: for being part of our community, for sharing your story,
57:16
Speaker 1: for being a great part of the church. Stories, yes, stories,
57:23
Speaker 1: Thank you. Love, You're welcome.