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Issue 327: Obi-Wan Kenobi: Part V · Aggressive Negotiations: A Star Wars Podcast

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Hello, then, welcome to the note polity. Hi. This is Nick
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Nastasu, story editor on Star Wars, The Clone Wars and Star Wars bad
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Batch, and you are listening to aggressive negotiations. Hello Win, Welcome from
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I'm thrilled to be here because here we are. We've on through our Obi
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Wan Kenobe series rewatch up to this point. We're coming up on the fifth
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episode. We've had our highs and lows, we've had some pacing questions,
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we've had pluses and minuses, and we were excited enough going into this that
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we decided it was time for another commentary. This time for the fifth episode
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But without further ado, I think it's time to get into our commentary.
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John, So what we're gonna do? As always three two one and
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we go on play, So three two one play all right? Oh,
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there are scenes in this fictional series that some viewers may find upsetting. So
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hold onto your butts people. You know, that's an interesting thing. We
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know the reason that they put disclaimers like that on there. You know,
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it's I'm not taking a position on it, good, bad, or indifferent.
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But what I find curious about it is we have watched some pretty intense
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stuff up to this point. We've watched Obi Wan and dragged across. We
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know what happened to Vader. We had a flash of him on fire like
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it's It's interesting because when I see a disclaimer like that, I have an
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immediate expectation of what is going to go past the level of seeing people trapped
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in horror in amber like Mosquitos and Jurassic Park. Yeah, you know,
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what's what's going to take us beyond that level of abstract terror or even you
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know this intense scene where they're showing the not snow speeders, but speeders coming
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in and somebody you know, blowing up and everything. I'm like that they've
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basically just thrown the gauntlet down, even though this wasn't their intent, and
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said this is going to be super duper something special, not special in a
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good way, but like something very different in the opening, and so through
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this whole recap. I remember the first time watching I was like, oh,
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what is it we're going to see here? Yeah? No, I
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think that's really well put. And this this season has been full of things
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like that, and even mentioning the fact that it's all predicated on what happened
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in Revenge of the Sith, you know, where young lings were killed and
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Anakin burns to a crisp you know, looks like extra crispy chicken, so
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murders his pregnant wife. It just you know, I mean, so yeah,
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absolutely, it just goes to show you, you know, and like
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the modern myth that it is, there's there's nothing clean about this, right
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um, in the same way when you read, you know, the Greek
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mythology. So and here we go with this beautiful establishing shot of Coruscant.
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I love the fact that the color palette is very reminiscent of Tatoween. Actually,
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you know where Anakin is from. And what did you think of the
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d aging here? I was actually surprised that they didn't do more, because
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they don't really seem to have done a ton of d aging. And I
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think that you know, that's a choice that you know, you can make
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and it doesn't really necessarily bother me, but I think it would have been
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nice maybe to have a little bit more so that we do match them better
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to what we see in Attack of the Clones, because you know, they
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are both definitely older men now and you can tell, and so I think
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it would have been nice. I actually kind of welcomed it, and I'm
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not saying that just to be contrarian. I kind of welcomed it in this
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sense that the the effect of it. I would rather they restrain themselves during
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something like that than have them go too far. The way was gone too
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far at the beginning of Aquaman that that daging there was, you know that
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that's an example of going way too far, and so it's um, you
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know, I found that they had done enough for me. Yeah, I
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mean I could totally understand that. So we've got the third sister just made
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the Grand Inquisitor. So she just got a promotion because she's tracked Obi one
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here to Jabeem. And you know what I love about them using Jabeem is
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that it's actually from a comic series, from the Clone Wars comic series.
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Before you know, things got rewritten with the Home War series and a very
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pivotal battle happened there with Obi Wan Kenobi, and so I love that they're
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using that. I still seeing the ship land and seeing the scale the ship
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and seeing them walk off. I don't know if it's a shot selection.
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I don't know if it's just not scaling it right, but frankly, the
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effect drives home the fact that I don't see two speeders fitting in there to
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begin with, right exactly. Yeah, no, and that that still bothers
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me. Yeah, yeah, there's it's interesting to me that there are so
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many technical issues with this show, especially when it comes to just things like
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that that you know shouldn't be an issue. You know, you're making Star
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Wars and you've been making it for a long time. This should not be
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difficult. And I think part of the size of the ship too, has
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to do with the size of the volume, and that this is one of
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the places where that becomes a real issue because you're limiting yourself and you're hurting
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yourself because you're not using all of the tricks of the trade to make things.
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Yes, and that group shot that we just saw, I think lends
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itself right to what you're talking about, where it feels like they're just standing
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in a cramped little room. Right. It doesn't feel like they're in a
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tunneled out base the way that hath Base feels like there's a lot of somewhere
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to go. This feels like this is one little hole that we have and
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it's like, eh, Now. I do applaud the choice to spend time
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with Vader on his bridge as they're going through hyperspace, the feeling of Vader
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as a pseudo military commander as he was in the Clone Wars, and the
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way that the camera pushes in in certain shots humanizes that mask in a way
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that I think is important for this series to work, because Vader's mask,
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of course, has no expression, So if you're not going to give him
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dialogue to express what he's thinking or body movement, then you're going to have
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to use those sort of camera tricks to distort the face and push in a
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little too close and make it seem like you can read the eyes as it
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were. And Obi wan here going up and seeing again carving and then all
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of these lightsabers. I mean, how crazy is this seeing all these lightsabers
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laying around like this and him going through and looking at these things. I
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mean, you have the question or all those lightsabers from people who are dead
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or from people who said, I can't carry this with me, anymortal marking
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for death, you gotta keep it. Yeah, I was thinking about that
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too. I remember the first time I saw it, and that knowing that
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those are probably from some people that died, and that they're also probably from
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some people who just left their lightsabers because they didn't want the heat that comes
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with carrying one. And you know him taking the robe too, you know,
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and there's such a motion that he's able to portray there in those moments.
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I liked how you called out, we're spending time with Vader on the
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other side, right, and in much as a scene that reminiscent of the
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Clone Wars, you know, Anakin standing on the bridge waiting for battle,
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and so I love it. I love the fact that Obi Wan calls out
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he doesn't have the patience for a siege, and broken asks how do you
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know? And then it cuts to Obi Wan training him, and I love
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seeing this training scene. It's wonderful whether you've seen the Clone Wars, but
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if you haven't, I think this is pivotal for somebody who hasn't watched the
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Clone War series, because there are people who haven't, sad as it is,
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and they wind up really I think that's, you know, going to
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that flashback does a really good job of really really highlighting the history between Anak
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and obi Wan beyond the tragic moment that brought us here. Well, it's
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also where we're going to see just how much Anakin has learned and if he's
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really learned anything. And I think that's kind of a fascinating place to be.
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And I love that obi Wan is saying, if we try and fight
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them, we will not survive. But we don't need to fight them.
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Echoes episode four, there are alternatives to fighting, and also Echoes episode five,
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which is it's a holding action to get people off the base. They
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know they cannot beat the siege. And I think it's even interesting because you
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have that Empire strikes back. This is episode five here of the siege coming,
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and this time Vader shows up with a Star Destroyer and some troops,
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and then you flash forward to Star Wars episode five and Vader shows up with
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the entire fleet because no, like his goal was nobody's making it off of
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that stupid ice planet alive, and so you do to speak your point about
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learning. If you put this context in there, you feel like Vader does
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learn because the next time he does this, it's, oh, screw that,
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I'm not showing up on a you know. No, we're killing everything
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and it's so long as Skywalker's alive, then we'll get Skywalker. Yep.
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No, I definitely agree with that. And this is a This is an
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interesting scene in general with how they're going to get in here, because it
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makes I wonder why they're using you know, this gun to try and get
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in there instead of it feels like there have to be other ways for them
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to be able to get in there. Maybe even it seems like a lightsaber
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can do it. You know, if if Qui Gon can get through the
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Droid Federation's door or could have gotten through it, you know, couldn't she
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had just cut this open herself. Yes, I mean, I'm not going
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to dance around it and try to excuse it. Yes, it's the whole
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question of Kylo Wren flying at Ray in Rise of Skywalker. Why doesn't he
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just shoot her? And so you're left there and it's like, maybe there's
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a reason, but that gunned to call to mind what you're talking about.
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That gun doesn't make sense. But additionally, what would make the scene make
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more sense is if you showed some engineering troopers show up and they start cutting
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through the door or trying to hot wire the thing, and have a line
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of dialogue somewhere along the way that typically inquisitors don't show off the saber to
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troops because the troops have all been told that the Force and Jedi are all
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dead. Isn't it going to make your you know, isn't that going to
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crack the vaunted training of your troops if they suddenly see people wielding lightsabers in
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the Force? So who wasn't that a Jed? I think, you know,
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I don't know. I mean, I'm trying to back into an explanation
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for it. I love this moment here where Leia says she can help,
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you know, she's small enough, and you know, Rogan's like no,
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no, no, no, no no, it's a no, and I
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Obi one has learned that he can trust Leia, you know. And I
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think this is also a moment where you mentioned many of times, I think
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her not actually being somebody who feels like she's ten is a little bit hurtful
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to the series. You know, this is a place where she could be
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older and it would really feel older and would have helped. I think that
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this transmission that we're watching as we as we go through here, we always
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try to make it so that anybody can can listen along, but we're watching
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this recording, um, you know bail organa that basically only serves as he
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just sent a transmission saying I hope you're alive and I hope everything's fine.
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He can't find out about Leia. And it's like the guy's not thinking here,
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because if you're sending a message to someone, you're like, oh,
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you might be dead, so I'd better say the one thing we've all been
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trying to keep secret for the last decade. Yeah, It's like that's just
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stupid, and it's and what bothers me is I immediately see it. I
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see that transmission, and I say, ah, the transmitter is going to
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be found, Okay, yep, And it's like this it's if I'm honest,
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it's just lazy because you couldn't find another way for whatever is coming again,
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we don't know what is by this point, but I'm like, Okay,
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this is gonna set something up. I don't know what, but something.
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Look, I might seem unfair, it feels lazy, immediate. I
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agree. I do love this moment though with Tala as she is confessing what
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she did that led her to get out of the Empire, and the fact
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that you know, she didn't realize they were tracking down four sensitives and when
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she did, then she didn't know what the inquisitors were going to do,
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and these people ended up dying children even And so that was the moment where
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she snapped and was like, Nope, not doing this anymore. And you
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know, she's been fighting to make sure that these things don't continue to happen.
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And I think that's a really cool story because you know, Star Wars,
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if we've talked about many times, it is about redemption, right,
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and her working for redemption in that I think is pretty beautiful. Also pretty
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cool that Rokean here has a boat cast, so I wonder what Wookie he
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got that from. Roken feels like a character where in a less crowded series,
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I would have found out more about this character that I find very intriguing.
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From the little bits that I see, it feels like they are they
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either cut his presence back significantly, or they baited the hook just enough because
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they had plans for something later that probably are not going to come to fruition
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at this point. And I think it's a shame because he Tala and Roken
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are legitimately interesting side characters. Yes, and that's cool, but it's frustrating
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by the same token, this is a really interesting scene to me, you
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know, And yeah, I'm I think a part of this thing with this
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episode so far is that this this whole episode seems to be a little bit
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off kilter and it's pacing. Hold on them, I agree, but in
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the garage so you can just so No, it's um, it is a
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little bit off and it's pacing. I think that the it's it's interesting that
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this conversation that's happening right now is giving us some really interesting stuff about Reva
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and where she comes from. And I look, I I thought the film
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language was pretty clear from the beginning. I think we said this earlier.
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I was like, Okay, that kid's gonna be Riva, you know,
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in the opening and everything, but then flashing here and seeing Anakin come through,
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well at Vader come through and killing these kids or at least thinking he
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killed these kids is interesting because this ups the evil of Vader more. Because
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as we get these flashes every time we revisit Vader in another ten fifteen years,
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I'd say you can see the reflection of the times and how desensitized people
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have become. Because back in the eighties, with the original trilogy, just
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seeing Vader scarred visage was wild, Oh my gosh. Right, then Vader
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becomes a sort of like popular pop culture anti hero, embraced for his evil.
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And I've always maintained that Lucas basically is backed in a corner and he's
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like, well, I really got to illustrate for everybody that he's actually evil.
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He's not cool evil, he's not cool, he's not Charles Bronson and
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death wish. He's actually evil. So children get killed. That is the
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ultimate no go for anybody to have any sort of like affection for a character.
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And now we make it intimate, and so it's like that it keeps
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ratcheting up, and I'd say that it's a reflection of how the audience both
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wants something more explicit and has become so desensitized to different things that the only
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way you can make Vaders seem as evil as he needs to seem is to
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keep ratcheting up. Yeah, the intensity of what he did. Yeah,
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it's been interesting because I think that this conversation is a really interesting conversation,
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and but it just there's something about it where the whole thing feels out of
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place, you know, like I just don't understand exactly. I don't know.
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I feel like the whole thing needed to be rewritten because it doesn't make
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sense for them to be having this conversation in this heart to heart, in
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this way, in this place, with trying what she's trying to do.
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I agree, I can't. I can't go against that. I think it's
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interesting to have obi Wan stand there and be this great defender in this moment
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and see these people making their stand and the you know, as they try
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to fall back to second position and everything. But even this seems with the
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fall back to second position and this tactic that they have and obi Wan easily
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dispatching a Purge trooper, I think that the the problems that the tactic makes
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even less sense. Yep, it would have made sense if obi Wan was
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there alone to buy them time to start loading on the ships. There's no
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like you know what I'm saying, Like, it just seems like this is
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unnecessarily crowding everybody into a situation they don't need to be in. Yes,
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well, and especially since you know, there's there only seems to be so
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much space, there's only so many places they can go, you know,
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and then you're backing yourselves into the place where you still can't get out of.
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And so yeah, this whole part just doesn't seem very well thought out.
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M h. And you know, I think that it's not that it's
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not well thought out on the part of the rebels, it's not well thought
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out on the part of the creators of the series. Is I think what
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we're both arguing and Tala gets, you know, Okay, we're gonna show
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off her her her coolness here. The unfortunate thing about the droid here fighting
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alongside her and doing his last stand is you can't help but compare to what
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K two does in Rogue one, and there's no way it's going to live
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up to it. We haven't had he hasn't had the arc the K two
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did, and so we see it more as them just saying, oh,
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we'll do a K two type thing, and it just doesn't carry the weight,
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right, doesn't carry the same weight. Yeah, it's you know,
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it's interesting too because one of the and I love McGregor is so good with
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the savor, you know everything, all his moves look phenomenal. Here.
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I think all that's great. I think what's interesting about this moment is that
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I think Obi One had begun, begun to have some you know, slight
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feelings for Tala, you know that that they had created a bond in a
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relationship, and so it's just it's another thing that is being taken away from
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him. It's another person that's died now because of Anakin, and it's you
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just feel for the guy. You know, he's just getting his mojo back,
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and and and then this happens. But again it returns to the question
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of tactics. They had double blast doors to begin with, and she had
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a thermal detonator. Why would you wait until the last possible moment. Why
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would oh god, the doors opening, throw the grenade, blow up,
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a ton of people, disarray, smog, fog, you see what I'm
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saying. No, I mean, well, what what I don't understand is
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why wouldn't you quote unquote put up a fight, let them in, and
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then allow you know, a thermal detonator to be triggered. You know,
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when they're right in between, whether whether you're talking about setting up a trap
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or causing a cave in, even saying okay, we can cause a cave
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in, It'll take them forever to cut through this. Like again, this
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is not just armchair quarterbacking everybody, I promise you, this is not a
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need to bring back yet again the hashtag you know, and the obi wan
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hate or stop the obi wan hate, whichever one it was we were joking
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about. And thank you to those who interact on Twitter who caught that hashtag
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joke. Thank you. But if I can sit here in the midst of
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this, if anybody can sit in the midst of this and pull that apart
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and say, well, there's a smarter way to have gone about this,
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it just doesn't feel right, you know, like it feels I think what
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comes across here in moments like this with the series is we have moments in
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each episode where it feels like they have had they added on to something much
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more elegant than they had before. Makes sense, Yeah, like this feels
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like it was grown out after they already had something they didn't like. You
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should start with too much and pair down, you know, measure twice,
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cut once, and it feels like they you know, measured once and tried
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to add back on right sort of thing. Yeah. This, this,
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it's such an interesting thing too, because and I think it it almost would
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have been even more interesting to have this whole episode be more about, even
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more so about the battle going on between Anakin and Obi one and if if
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Anakin's learned anything after all these years. And I think in some ways having
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Riva here distracts completely from that. And because I think the battle of wills
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happening back and forth between these two characters who have known each other for so
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long, it just would have been more interesting without something in the middle.
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I think that this is interesting to Obi Wan manipulating her. Yeah this,
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this feels good and right. He knows how to manipulate her. But at
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the same time, it doesn't feel noble in any way. It feels I
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don't know, I mean, maybe it is, and I and I wonder
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too, you know, you say that, but I'm thinking to myself.
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I think Obi Wan is thinking to himself that he if he can help her
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get rid of Vader, that he can free her from this obligation she feels.
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Yeah. By the way, just so you know, like the shortcoming
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of the volume is really apparent in a shot we just saw where Obi Wan
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is kneeling and she's walking away and you have the troopers. The perspectives don't
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line up right right with the troopers the depth and like the depth of the
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troopers and the angle of the troopers is slightly off from where it needs to
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be. It feels like they're really trying to force depth and they don't have
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the camera in the right position for it. But I do appreciate that now
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that we've snapped back to Anakin and Obi Wan with this moment where we want
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to teaching him your need for victory blinds you, I think that is one
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of the best lines that somebody's delivered about what is broken Invader and Anakin.
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Yeah, I agree, which I think that the beauty of that is the
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way in which it plays into Anakin as a child, right who grew up
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in poverty, who you know, his mother and him are treated horribly and
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so there is this part of him that needs to win, that wants to
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win and it's a character flaw. Yes, and it's a it's a known
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character flaw. I also the ease with which Leiah defeats the counterprogramming of Lola,
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why even bother having it? Why not just have something short out and
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Laya has to climb in there. You circumvent the whole need for the lower
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thing and it well, and it would have been I think it would have
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been more interesting have her have to destroy her toy, right to make a
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sacrifice, Yeah, that's fine, or just have her not I mean,
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because they want to do any need it for them to be able to find
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them in the first place. But so here's the question with these bay doors
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opening, where they're only like there was no plan to be like, hey,
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you know, just in case the bay doors open, just like fire
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a couple of warning shots that they're afraid to take off, or have some
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tie fires flying people already all on the ship waiting for the doors to open.
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That's a great question, Matt, and one that it answers hand.
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Well, I'm going to break this down for you in twelve parts as to
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why it happens that way. As you know, am, as you know,
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we run by the drop transmitter that we know the bail. Oh look,
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Vader is walking down the hall right now, and I think this is
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a really effective you know shot, following him along as I artfully dodged trying
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to explain why they're not on the ship already, and Vader walking out and
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grabbing the ship. This is a great moment. I love this moment.
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I hate seeing the other ship in the background because as I'm watching this,
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I go, oh, I don't even know what they're gonna do to get
31:30
out of this, and it kind of bugs, kind of bugs. Well,
31:36
and I would say too, the frustrating part about this all is just
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all of the effects here are not great. You know. Um, I
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think I would agree frustrating part, although I do love seeing him hold the
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ship there, which reminds me of the Force unleashed bringing down a Star Destroyer,
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so pretty cool. I enjoy seeing Oi Wan beat Anakin because Anakin just
32:10
gets too aggressive. It reminds me actually of Batman begins. Yes, you're
32:16
sacrificed a killing blow, sure footing for a killing blow, and it shows
32:22
that a Jedi isn't just their lightsaber. They can fight pretty darn well,
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even against another lightsaber, which I think plays well into this coming moment where
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Vader is sitting there breathing and looking up and Riva thinks she has the upper
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hand, and I would argue, you see, Vader has learned something in
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the way that this fight is about to go down between the two of them
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because she comes in, and a whole lot of sins of the episode up
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to this point we're forgiven by me. When she swings and saber stops and
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Vader's just like, oh, oh, it's cute. You think you can
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do this. Yes, and he doesn't even need a saber, just like
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obi Wan didn't need a saber beat him. It gives you a sense of
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proportionality, yes, well, And you know, one of the things I
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also think that it does a really good job of here is that it actually
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shows you how weak the inquisitors are. They are not that strong in the
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force. They are not They're only as strong as they want them to be,
33:30
right exactly. And you know the Emperor and Vader have kept them that
33:34
way on purpose, you know. And so the fact that he just basically
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dismantles her completely here is I think phenomenal. I mean, it's it's one
33:46
of the best parts of the episode is to watch him just you know,
33:51
take her apart so quickly. And I love the fact that he takes her
33:58
apart so quickly, and it's the ultimate sign of disrespect. He breaks the
34:01
two sabers apart, and he throws her a saber, and he's like,
34:06
okay, let's have some fun. Sure, And although you know it's it's
34:14
so emphasizes the fact that he's toying with her, which I think is great,
34:19
while also outlining that he is so pompous. Everybody's got a puncher's chance.
34:27
Yeah, Mike Tyson lost against Buster Douglas because he didn't take it seriously,
34:30
so you know I will. I'll say too, though that one of
34:34
the things that I don't love about this fight sequence is the way in which
34:39
it shot. There are too many places where they're trying to be up close
34:44
and personal to the action and they're they're kind of missing some of the movements,
34:51
and then her kind of being on the ground and kind of moving in
34:54
that way to try and nick gate his you know, upper body strength and
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everything all of that. It's just the way it shot. It doesn't work
35:05
as well as it could have. You had somebody who really understand how to
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shoot this type of action sequence. I think they were more concerned with getting
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her to the point where they could recreate a child looking up than anything else.
35:21
And then inexplicably, the Grand Inquisitor shows up. Oh he's still alive.
35:28
Well, it takes a lot to kill somebody in the Star Wars universe
35:30
these days. John being run through with a lightsaber isn't what it used to
35:35
be. It does. Darth Maul came back from being cut in half,
35:39
true, and that was pretty tough. But him walking back in at this
35:45
moment with no reference to anything or how he lived or anything like that,
35:51
I immediately say, oh, well, she's going to survive this because he
35:53
says revenge does wonders. Yes, It's like, oh, okay, well
35:58
she's not dead, did you. I mean, I have that reaction right
36:01
now. I had that reaction the first time I won. I figured that
36:06
would probably happen. I think, like you mentioned earlier, when you have
36:12
when you can see the ship in the background, the show is showing you
36:16
its hand, And I think the frustrating part about that is is that that's
36:23
just not great writing. You You want to keep audiences on their toes guessing,
36:35
not give them everything they need to know it what's going to come next,
36:43
and then having the hyper drive be down. You mean you got on
36:50
the ship take a shot with a bad hyper drive. We had two of
36:52
them. At least have them take a shot from the star destroy or where
37:00
they say, oh, no, the hyperdrive has been damaged. That's episode
37:05
one basics right there, because the Nabu ship takes a hit and Rick Olie
37:10
says, oh, the hyperdrive is leaking. At least have it be a
37:16
direct result of damage. We see them take yes, and not just hey,
37:22
you know it's bad. You would think that the one thing they would
37:25
make sure to keep running a tiptop shape at all times would be the hyperdrive.
37:31
Again, much like Reva now finding this thing. Okay, Reva survived
37:36
as we knew she would, and she presses the thing. I'm like,
37:39
oh, it just I don't want to rag on the show. I don't
37:46
there's it's still it's it's interesting. It just it's it's just cluttered with these
37:57
these things that it doesn't need to have in it. The thing, well,
38:00
I think that the thing about it is is that it just feels clumsy,
38:07
right, I think that's the writing just feels clumsy. It doesn't feel
38:13
refined, you know. And I think after seeing two seasons of The Mandalorian
38:22
and having seen a whole season of and Or and all the shows that we
38:29
got with the Clone Wars and the Bad Batch and Rebels, where you know,
38:34
we know what great Star Wars writing looks like. You know, I
38:38
think that you know, you get to this and it just is a little
38:44
bit frustrating because you know that it can be better, and it should be
38:49
better, because this is your signature character. I want to get away from
38:55
words like better because I really think episodes like this, we know this was
39:01
originally developed to be a movie and then it got stretched out. And I
39:06
think what it is is that we can see where it was stretched out.
39:10
We can see I think the reason we're trying so hard to like it and
39:15
not rag on it is because we can see if it had retained its two
39:19
hour structure or two and a half hour structure, even we can see where
39:24
it would have been incredible, and instead they's it's like taffy. If you
39:32
stretch the taffy too much, it's not as I don't know, it loses
39:37
something. I think that the thing is with this show is that I can
39:45
see the bones of having a really great show. Yes, And I think
39:52
that's why I'm so frustrating. You know, Even as we were talking,
39:57
one of our good listeners tweeted at us and Kimberly, thanks so much for
40:02
always being such a great listener. And she mentioned that it's been kind of
40:07
challenging, you know, to listen to the show over the last two and
40:10
she hopes we find more we like in the next ones. And you know,
40:15
and I just I tweeted back in this saying, the reason that this
40:21
show is so frustrating to me is because I don't know if there's a bigger
40:24
obi Wan fan out there, right, And that's why I'm frustrated. And
40:30
and and I think McGregor is phenomenal in the series. I think Hayden Christensen
40:37
is just incredible in the series. I think acting across the board for the
40:42
most part has been excellent in the series, even though we've had some criticisms
40:45
I think of Riva, but overall, there's so much that I do like
40:52
about the series. So when it it doesn't live up to the potential that
40:58
the series has, I think that's what it frustrates me because there is a
41:02
ton of potential. Let me throw something absolutely insane out there. Let me
41:08
ask you, do you think this series is better if it's a twelve part
41:15
thirty minute series, because it gives them more of an opportunity to break the
41:17
story into chunks that are less clunkily put together, because a lot of the
41:25
theories that people have put together. And I see this because like you're saying
41:30
about the bones, I think that there's a version to edit together out of
41:35
this. I haven't watched any of the fan edits. One of them,
41:38
from what I understand, is very dismissive of Reva's whole arc, and I
41:45
you can't get away from it. It's part of the story. It's part
41:50
of the story. I like Reva's arc. Do I like how it's unfolding
41:54
so far? Yes? And no. I look at this and I think,
42:00
you know, was there a way they could have broken this so that
42:01
it was like a Clone Wars micro series in live action, so that Clone
42:07
Wars. I think if it had been hour long episodes would have suffered a
42:12
lot of the same sort of problems. But because they were all half hour
42:16
episodes, it was a little challenge, tell the leanest thing possible and then
42:21
build on it. And I wonder what this rewatch I'm looking at it.
42:24
I'm thinking, I think there's maybe like a half hour out of time version
42:29
of this that's that could be really engaging and really interesting. Yeah, I
42:34
don't know. There is a you know, a version of this that I
42:38
have downloaded and I haven't got a chance to watch. It cuts the series
42:42
down to two hours and twenty nine minutes, and I would be fascinated to
42:49
see, you know what that looks like. I don't know, you know,
42:55
as we get to episode six coming up next and we finish out the
43:00
series, you know, I again, I I don't want anybody to think
43:04
that I'm just trying to take pot shots at something. Um, I think
43:07
more than anything, you know, I am a lover of this character.
43:14
I can't imagine anybody loving what we won more than I do. And you
43:17
know, because what I what I wanted. My expectation coming in was for
43:25
this to be the best thing that they did, because I felt like the
43:30
character deserved it, and I think it I don't think anybody would argue with
43:36
that, and so for the to not do that, it was frustrating and
43:43
so, but there are still parts of this that I really do love and
43:45
so, and I'm you know, that's actually going to come up there in
43:52
a season in episode six. But John, you know, before we get
43:57
out of here, i'd i'd love for you to just kind of let,
44:00
you know, let people know when you're not, you know, chomping down
44:04
on sir Nerf Nuggets and uh, kicking it back with some Karelian whiskey.
44:08
Where can people find you? Nerf Nuggets sounds disgusting, It's gonna go on
44:13
the record. That sounds that sounds like Rocky Mountain oysters. That sounds like
44:16
something you just shouldn't meet. Um. But if you want to find me
44:23
for some insane reason, usually I'm out there on the internet occasionally, uh,
44:29
further furthering the training of Master Rushing and showing him the true path out
44:32
there, the one that he should follow. You can find me as Kessel
44:36
Junkie on your social network of choice K S S L j U N K
44:38
I E. I'm a lot of fun to follow, I think on or
44:44
connect with. I should say I had the word follow. I'm a lot
44:46
of fun to connect with on letterbox. I think and on Twitter. I
44:50
love to make stupid jokes, so you know, come on now and you
44:53
can find me right here on the network, co hosting a show called house
44:58
Lights blah blah, Works of Rector Is blah blah, Different Combinations blah blahs
45:01
or Simradellent Darren Moser, and of course I have appearances on The six o
45:07
two Club and its sub shows Assembling, Avengers and Snyder Cuts The six or
45:14
two Club over on TFM, which is hosted by one legendary host who has
45:20
the wisdom to bring me on every so often, and that's you, Jedi
45:24
Master Rushing. So where else can people find you? Well, it is
45:28
me and I love when you do visit us over there. Of course,
45:30
you can find me all over social media, and I would love to connect
45:35
with you on the same way that John I. You know, don't follow
45:37
me, connect with me. I'd love to get a chance to talk to
45:39
you about things, whether it's on Instagram, Letterbox, Vero, Twitter,
45:45
all the same name Matt Rushing zero two. Here on the network. You
45:47
can also find a show I did with Drea Kaufman as we talked through every
45:51
single chapter the Harry Potter series one chapter to time, and when I'm not
45:57
in the six o two club on the TFM network, you can find me
45:59
doing a bunch of other shows there. I've got Literary Treks, the Orb
46:04
Warp five, the Artificial Tango, and Saddle Up is actually firing up here
46:08
again because we're gonna be talking about Strange New Worlds season two, so I
46:14
hope you'll check that out. But John, I think it's time to get
46:16
back to the Temple because they are having a buffet with nerf nuggets and some
46:24
bant mistakes and all sorts of great things. So I think it's time we've
46:30
closed these negotiations. Are there vegans in Star Wars? I wonder Master Rushing
46:37
negotiations are closed. Join the Revolution, Join the Nerd Party.