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Debate Recap and Opinions · Project 2028

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Alright guys, we have a post debate, project 2028 episode.
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We have a lot of thoughts.
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One of the most influential debates of the 21st century happened just last night.
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It will determine the outcome of the election and American life for at least the next four
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years.
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So, me, Al, Luciano, we all got a lot of thoughts.
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We're going to get to them in just a second.
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Thank you for tuning in.
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Thank you for watching the debate if you watched it.
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If you didn't, this will catch you up.
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It will put you ahead.
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It's perfect.
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And thank you for tuning in.
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Let's get to the episode.
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Alright so now just to kind of for a few minutes dive really deep into the debate.
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I'm going to go chronologically as much as I can.
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Try to keep it as simple chronologically as I can.
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But there's a lot of stuff that kind of happened in between.
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Both candidates tried to get to their preferred points within places that were not for it.
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So I'll try to go chronologically but it might get a bit interrupted by notes that were taken
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during the middle of it.
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But to start off, coming into this debate, just to preface all of this, they were tied
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in the polls nationally nearly.
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In every swing state they were tied.
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A few Trump leads, a few Kamala Harris leads.
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And the chances of winning were basically a coin flip.
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First thing I want to talk about, kind of interesting, it was the handshake.
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Joe Biden and Donald Trump did not shake hands in the debate.
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Kamala Harris went up to him.
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I don't think he was going to shake her hand but they shook hands.
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Donald Trump said it's great to meet you.
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And then they went to their respective podiums.
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I think Harris' campaign definitely had a plan for if he didn't shake her hand.
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I think that was kind of what they might have hoped for instead but they didn't get that.
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But Trump was kind of speaking straight ahead when he was talking, just kind of for the
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whole debate, just to preface all this.
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And Kamala Harris was looking much more at Trump and he was still not looking back at
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her.
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Kind of just different debate styles.
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She was a prosecutor so obviously much more interrogative with cross-examination and stuff
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like that.
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And Trump's been a TV personality for his whole life.
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The first questions were economic policy.
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This is a lot stronger for Trump, kind of like immigration.
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So he really kind of, he had a lead coming to the debate on these questions.
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I would say they both kind of came out tied in the end.
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Kamala Harris focused on the Trump sales tax, otherwise known as tariffs.
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Trump said that she was lying, they were going to go either way.
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And they went back and forth for quite a while on tariffs and the macroeconomic effects.
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But quickly Trump pivots to something even more advantageous that the American people
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want to hear even more, or at least polling-wise do.
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And that was immigration.
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Immediately during the economic portion, the first questions was immigration.
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He tried to put it in some of the populist rhetoric and he did a pretty good job of putting
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that in, but I don't think it stuck too much.
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The economic policy questions were a bit avoided by Kamala's planning, but overall it was a
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pretty good segment for a topic that she would rather talk a bit less about because American
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sentiment at least with the economy right now isn't as hot as it might have been during
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the first few years of the Trump era before COVID.
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So people kind of have a bit of amnesia about the last part of Trump, but they do really
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like the old idea and ideals of the Trump economy.
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The second question was kind of directly tied to economic policy and macroeconomic policy,
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and that was tariffs.
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It really was great for Kamala Harris because she had just been focusing up on her $5 billion
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sales tax that she proposed Trump would introduce.
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I'm not sure the credibility of those numbers.
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It looks like it was sourced from a few colleges is what I've been reading online, but I don't
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think it was nearly $5 billion.
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And she also quickly, just like Trump, went to immigration, she went to something that
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was also very advantageous to her, Project 2025.
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Now she didn't lie often in this debate or she didn't make lies kind of like the way
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Trump occasionally makes lies about stuff that is obviously untrue, like killing babies
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after birth.
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But Project 2025 has been extensively denied by Trump.
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At this point, he has nothing to do with it as far as we all know.
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The closest he has to do with it was three of his old campaign staffers were talking
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once with them with the Heritage Project, but that is as close as it ever really got.
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So I wouldn't peg him to Project 2025, but Kamala Harris really tried to, and that's
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really a good kind of point for her.
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And immediately Donald Trump tried to tone it down.
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He tried to go with median voter theory, trying to get a lot of the electorate he's trying
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to capture.
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He compared himself to Reagan and he claimed regarding abortion, especially that the states,
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they deserve the right to vote or to vote on abortion measures.
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And this kind of brings in abortion, which was kind of omnipresent through the whole
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debate because it is one of America's biggest culture wars right now.
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They both avoided a specific line of questioning, each for both of them.
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Trump asked if he would veto a national ban.
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He did not answer that question.
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He said it was ridiculous and he did not answer the question, but he said that that legislation
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would never come to his desk.
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And Harris did not answer whether eighth and ninth month abortions would be banned if she
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were to be elected to office.
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So just kind of same thing as Trump, trying to avoid questioning that she may alienate
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her base on, but would gain median voters on.
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After that kind of section, there was a lot a bit on immigration.
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Kamala Harris's big thing was how Trump killed the immigration bill that was in the Congress
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earlier this year.
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She didn't propose much immigration policy as I would have liked to see from a candidate.
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Trump didn't also put in much immigration policy, but America trusts him infinitely
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more on immigration.
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So that's not much of a problem for him.
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He just has to echo some populist rhetoric and he'll get some votes.
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But he kept, he said some stuff of questionable truth as the Springfield dogs being eaten
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by mobs.
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And then there was half true stuff like people coming into the United States as undocumented
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immigrants and killing people, which has happened a few times, unfortunately, but is not prevalent
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like he uses it in debate.
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He was asked about the 2020 rioter attacks.
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He did his usual stick, avoided it, did a pretty good job of avoiding it.
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Kamala Harris really tried to press him on it.
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And she claimed that a president who refuses to accept an election would have trouble
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performing any duty of office.
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But then he really kind of pinned it back on her on when were the 2020 George Floyd
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protests rioters going to get jailed?
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She just totally kind of did not answer that.
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But I wouldn't answer that if I were her.
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That was kind of a bait question.
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And then this is where kind of the baiting does begin to start during the debate.
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She talks a lot about crowd size, which gets Trump really angry.
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He spends a minute talking about crowd size, which is a minute more than Trump needs to
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talk about crowd size.
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But that was good for Harris.
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And then that's kind of where Trump went from prepared Trump to ad hoc Trump, kind of just
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coming up with stuff as need be.
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And Israel was next.
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Again, stronger issue for Trump.
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Usually there is a younger minority of people that do have a bit of a more of an affinity
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polling wise to Kamala Harris, but in general, the electorate would trust Trump more on an
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issue like Israel.
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Harris has been pretty strong on it, claiming Iron Dome will still be there.
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Military support will still be there, but there will be restrictions on what can happen
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in war zones like that.
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Trump, you know, he claimed it never would have happened.
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He claimed Russia never would have happened.
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He promised to end both wars even days before he got into office, which I doubt would ever
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happen.
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But it sounds really good to voters.
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And I think he could at least try to get something done, which is something more than what's
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been getting done with the Biden and Harris campaign.
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Right now they have had no ceasefire at all.
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So any any other option is a good option if you're looking at Israel.
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Regarding Russia and Europe, it was a lot of neo isolationism.
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So neo isolationism would be isolationism, especially pertaining to Europe and European
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affairs.
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So that's you know, it's a bit of an older rhetoric, not as often seen in Republican
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politics, but it was kind of the one places where one of the places where he went, you
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know, just a bit more off of party line, but nothing too extreme.
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Kamala Harris really pushed on the fact that he might give up parts of Ukraine to stop
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the war in Russia.
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And he claimed, you know, lives are more important than land, which I think could resonate to
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at least some of veterans, soldiers, people like that, who tend to also partially be swim
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swing voters.
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The Kamala became black came up in the debate where the National Association for Black Journalists
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in Chicago, his statement was that she became black.
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It was a horrible PR disaster.
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Trump's cleaned it up since then saying he doesn't care what she is.
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He just read she was black one day and he read she wasn't black the other.
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So there was nothing too huge on that portion.
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She backed up Kamala Harris, backed up Biden's Afghanistan withdrawal, which is not popular
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among Americans in any stretch of the imagination.
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She talked about a bit about social policy.
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I was listening to some news analysis today.
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There was a bit of avoidance, especially on social policy and plans for her.
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But there's always a bit of an avoidance for both candidates because social policy is a
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bit of a diverse issue.
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And they both finished out the debate with a bit different closing statements.
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Kamala Harris, you're doing a unity thing, which was basically the first same copied
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speech is the first 15 minutes of the RNC speech, which kind of put it away for Trump.
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It kind of almost forced Biden to drop out of the race.
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And she did really good with that.
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I listened to it.
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I thought it was really good.
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I've analyzed it a few times so far, and it really appeals to, you know, a median voter,
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a person who bisects all of the policy groups.
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Trump was much more do you want a normal life again?
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Do you want your gas prices down?
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And I think that's what they've been focusing on.
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That's what JD Vance focused on post debate is kind of just the fundamentals.
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And he really tried to focus on some of the fracking, some of the reverse policy and really
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tried to drill in on how she may not have the most reliable track record when it comes
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to policy flip flopping.
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He doesn't either, but it's especially vulnerable for things that have to do with a bit of economic
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policy like fracking that can also help Americans.
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So closing up a bit, Trump did a post debate interview with ABC News, totally unscheduled,
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kind of trying to rewrite the narrative.
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And the narrative has kind of been that it was a light win for Kamala Harris.
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It wasn't a strong win like what happened after the Biden Trump debate where Trump didn't
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do particularly well, but Biden did so horribly that Trump inadvertently did amazing in the
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polls because all Biden support dropped out from the bottom.
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So Trump really did well in that debate.
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But what she did in this debate was Trump did mediocre because Trump's a TV personality.
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He knows how to do this and he can do okay.
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But she did good.
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And that's why it's kind of a Harris slight win.
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And that's what me and Elle and Luchana have kind of came up with.
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We all checked the Harris weak win box.
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And I have some personal ratings and some notes from Ryan's final debate thoughts on
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my computer.
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So first thing is there was nothing of immense consequence contained within this debate.
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Nothing earth shattering happened like I say a Biden debate where there was a lot of stuttering,
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a lot of you could say incompetence, just looking at it from outside in.
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And then I did some analysis.
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I looked at some websites.
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So POVVS or popular vote share will be plus 2.7 to plus 3D or Democrat after this, which
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is just a bit of a bump up or a pretty good bump up, maybe half a point from where she's
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at right now.
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So that could be nice.
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And then the chance of winning the Electoral College should be around just around what
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it is right now with a 54% chance for the Democrats and a 46% chance for the Republicans.
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Democrats and Republicans would in this case be synonymous for Kamala Harris and Donald
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Trump.
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And then there would be a one in 250 chance of a tied or inconclusive Electoral College,
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which is often attributed with a Trump win because of the fact that the Congress is in
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favor of Trump right now.
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Next I would like to get to some of my ratings.
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These are rated over 100.
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The base rating for each one and mediocre performance would be around the 75.
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I factor in how weak and strong candidates are on that in this rating.
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So on economic policy, Harris got a 72.
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She performed really well, but she's preemptively really weak on it.
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So if she just came in this debate and didn't really say anything of consequence about economic
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policy, it'd be around a 68, something like that.
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But she said some good stuff.
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So it's going to be closer to 72.
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Trump has a bigger, much bigger advantage on economy and what voters think who can handle
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the economy better.
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But he didn't do as well.
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I would usually give him a 75 just on how voters would vote economically.
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But he kind of dropped down.
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He said nothing too much.
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So I gave him a 74 and a half.
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Immigration wise, Trump's always going to have an edge.
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She did really well.
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So I gave her a 74.
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Trump's going to get always, almost always a higher rating on this just because Americans
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have much, much more sympathy for Trump's opinions and beliefs on abortion.
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So he got a 76.
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Nothing too big separating them on that.
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On abortion, super weak policy issue for Trump, super really, really, really good for Harris.
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She got an 80 and he got a 69 and a half just because of some of the stuff.
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Usually it would be a 65.
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Like Republican abortion is usually not that good.
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But he said some stuff, delegating it to states, not directly attributing himself to any national
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abortion ban that kind of bumped his rating up a bit.
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International policy wise, Harris got an 81.
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Some of it was really good.
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Some of it lacked details.
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Trump got a 76.
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Also lacking details, but he usually has a bit of lacking stuff because of some of the
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neo-isolationist stuff that doesn't appeal to all Americans.
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And overall, Harris got a 76 and Trump got a 73 respectively.
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And there were five boxes, a Harris strong win, a Harris weak win, a tie, a Trump weak
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win and a Trump strong win.
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And I checked the Harris weak win box because I think it was a good performance for her.
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But what could have made it better was if she kind of attacked Trump more and Trump
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kind of flailed.
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That's obviously not in her control, but that will be what would have made the debate better.
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So that is kind of wrapping up my final thoughts.
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And you're going to get to hear Ellen Luchana or you probably heard them at this point,
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but thank you for tuning in and we'll see you in the next one.
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Hello.
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I am going to be sharing my opinions on the debate last night and also talk about how
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the public is receiving and what has kind of come out because of the debate.
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So it sounds like it is kind of an agreement that Kamala did indeed win this debate in
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the overall general summary of the debate.
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I'm sure Ryan and Luchana will kind of talk about specifically what points each candidate
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made and that type of cap.
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But I am going to more focus on their body language and then the more public aspect of
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the debate and like the aftermath of it.
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So right from the get go, we see both of the candidates walk onto stage.
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And the first thing Kamala Harris does is she approaches Trump and initiates a handshake.
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She goes up, she extends her right hand, she says, Kamala Harris, let's have a good debate.
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And Trump says, let's have fun.
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Now he seemed as though he was not expecting this handshake.
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He was shocked.
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He was right behind his podium.
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She came all the way across to his podium at a diagonal and he was more at a horizontal
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angle and it was this very awkward.
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He didn't really expect them to be shaking hands type of moment.
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His voice sounded very groggily.
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He sounded like he had a clearest throat and he was not prepared to speak.
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And she sounded very clear, very powerful and like she was in full control of that situation.
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And right from the get go, after the very first question is asked about the economy,
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Kamala Harris is the first one to answer.
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And she says that she was raised as middle class and she starts the entire debate by
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talking about her relating to the American people.
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She starts it by sharing a story from her and how she grew up.
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And then she also compared herself and said, I am the only person on this stage preferring
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to Donald Trump that has a plan to uplift the middle class.
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So at the beginning of the debate, Kamala is speaking towards the moderators and towards
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the camera.
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She is speaking in a way that is towards and to the American people.
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While she's speaking, former President Trump is looking at the camera.
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He's looking straight ahead.
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He has a very straight face.
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Sometimes he would nod to kind of show that he is taking in the information.
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We also see him doing this when a question is getting asked.
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Now, while Trump is speaking, he is speaking in basically the exact same position he was
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listening in.
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He doesn't move a lot during the debate.
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Now, Kamala is a very hand moving talker.
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She moves her hands a lot.
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She gestures and she really exaggerates with her body while she's speaking.
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And while Trump is speaking, we see Harris looking at him.
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We see her kind of chuckling to herself sometimes, but her entire body is facing him.
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Her shoulders are turned, her head is turned, her eyes are turned.
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Every part of her is looking into Trump and he is looking straight ahead, ignoring her
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gaze.
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And from that initial handshake, we can kind of see who is going to come on top of the
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debate.
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Now, it was not a big win for Kamala.
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It was definitely a closer debate than she would have liked.
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It was not a super informative debate.
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It was not the most helpful debate we've seen, but any debate that we have seen recently
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has been pretty much the same thing.
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Trump restated and used kind of the same tactics he used when he was debating Biden and Kamala
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used a lot of the tactics we've seen her use on the debate stage before as well.
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Throughout every single question that was being asked, we saw two very different responses
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from the candidates.
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When Trump was talking, if there was something that Kamala didn't agree with, she would
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be very expressive, especially with the microphones being muted.
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These expressions really showed that she was still trying to show to the American public.
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Even if she wasn't able to rebuttal, she disagreed with what he was saying.
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We saw the same type of shakes and facial expressions from Trump, but in a much, much
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smaller scale, less exaggerated.
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They were almost unnoticeable at some points and you really had to be studying him while
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she was speaking in order to be able to hear these, or to see these, sorry.
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One major strategy we saw from Kamala was trying to get under Trump's skin and trying
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to kind of undermine him and make him fall into her traps that she was setting.
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We saw him fall into almost every single one.
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I'm not exactly sure if there was one he didn't fall into, but I'd like to believe that he
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was able to kind of compose himself and not fall for every single one.
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Around 30 minutes in, kind of halfway through the topic of, and 30 minutes is maybe generous,
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but Kamala mentioned the crowd sizes at Trump's rallies and this is something that we have
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seen him talk over and over again.
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This crowd size is something he really, really cares about.
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This really got under his skin.
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She invited people to go to his rallies and you can see him losing the attention of the
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people and everyone becoming disinterested in what he's saying and leaving, she says,
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halfway through.
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And he would not let this remark go.
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He kept referencing it, kept bringing up the fact that crowd sizes are much larger than
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Kamala's and that people are not leaving and that he entertains people throughout the entire
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duration of his rallies.
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And this is kind of where we see a body language switch.
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We see Kamala kind of turn more towards Trump while she is answering these questions.
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She starts giving him more, she is baiting him more.
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She feels more confident in herself and we kind of can see this switch in her mind where
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she knows that she has either A, just won the debate or B, has found something that
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will work to keep him being Trump off track and not answer questions.
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And that's the whole point of the debate.
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The whole point of the debate is to hear the same, or two different candidates answer the
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same question and give their own policies, their own beliefs and make a really strong,
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solid statement on their opinion.
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And not only was that moment a turning point for Kamala, we also saw a shift in Trump.
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You saw him kind of lose control of what he was saying.
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This is when he made these now viral moments about immigrants eating dogs in Ohio.
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And we saw him continue to talk about Putin and his relationship with Putin and Kim Jong
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Un and we saw him reference a lot of dictators and how they had really great control over
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their peoples.
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And I don't think Kamala really talked about this enough or even mentioned it.
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But he was talking about how when he had control over the country, when he was president, he
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was comparing it to these famous dictators and how they had control over their people.
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He was comparing himself to a dictator and that was not a point that Kamala chose to
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speak on.
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Now, this was also smart on her part though because instead of taking that and really
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kind of attaching onto that, she just continued to speak.
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Now she did touch on it a little bit, but not to the extent that I am assuming Trump
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kind of wanted her to.
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And they went from this topic of immigration, which is a normally very strong topic for
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Trump.
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It is something that he has a lot of opinions on and it's something that he has a very strong
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policy on.
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And it is something he has always had a strong policy on and it is one of the main reasons
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a lot of his supporters are supporting him.
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His border policy and his opinions and beliefs about entering our country legally and going
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through that legal process of becoming a US citizen.
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And during this topic, we had the now viral moment where Trump goes on a rant about how
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these illegal Haitian immigrants are eating dogs and people's pets in Ohio.
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This was fact checked and it has never been reported, any of these so-called instances.
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It's not true.
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And he spent a good chunk of the time when they were supposed to be talking about their
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immigration policies, talking about these fake eating of pets.
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And we switched to immigration from abortion, which is a super strong topic for Kamala and
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something that she's getting a lot of support for.
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And during this, she sounded super knowledgeable about the topic whilst Trump was talking about
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post birth abortions, which is not a thing.
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It is not true.
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It has never been an option that you can do.
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And he kept referencing how those were legal and how people want them again.
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And it was a whole mess.
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We saw Trump really lose control during this and we saw this through his body language.
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He was staring straight ahead.
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He had a very straight face.
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He really acted as if he was struggling to keep his composure well on stage.
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And throughout all of this, we saw Kamala really take charge of this.
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She maintained her composure.
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She kept using her gestures of her hands and her very exaggerated emotions to kind of further
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her already very evident debate win.
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Now like I said in the beginning, it was not a super big victory for her as there were
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moments where obviously she went off track.
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There was bickering back and forth.
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The whole normal, what is considered the stereotypical presidential debate.
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We saw that on stage last night.
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However, it was still a victory for her.
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And in body language and like shifting moments, Kamala was able to really take grasp of this
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debate and make it hers.
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Now for how the general population and how Americans are kind of perceiving and taking
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away from this debate, it's kind of the same as it was with, at least for Trump, the first
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debate.
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Obviously, it was Kamala Harris and not Joe Biden.
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This debate kind of helped solidify Democrats' opinions of her and their belief that she
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has a chance of beating Trump.
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But for Trump, we saw a lot of the same points being made.
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We saw a lot of the same kind of name calling and the same.
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It was really a very similar debate.
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Much less, I will say, in the first debate, Trump beat Joe Biden by a wild margin.
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It was not even really close.
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It was a very good Trump debate.
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He seemed very poised.
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He, for the most part, he seemed like he was staying on topic for the most part.
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It was a very good debate for him.
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And that was not the Trump we saw on stage last night.
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There have been some viral moments from this, especially from seeing Kamala HQ posting on
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all their socials, memes, and the more memorable moments from the debate where we see Trump
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kind of go off script.
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And it's a lot of the Ohio immigrant thing.
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It's a lot of after birth abortions.
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It's a lot of just screenshots of facial expressions he was making that were considered funny and
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memeable.
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On the Kamala side, we are seeing a lot of the Trump used her famous line, the excuse
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me I'm talking line, and that is really one of the one key points where we're seeing Kamala
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kind of losing that moment for her.
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That was one of her first big moments and Trump used it against her and took that kind
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of from her.
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And that's one of the big things we are seeing from him.
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Now in general, it's a lot of people being concerned about some of the things Trump said,
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some of the things he said about Nancy Pelosi and wanting to do surgeries on aliens in prison.
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That was interesting.
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But it's a lot of focusing on, like it normally is, the kind of hilarious laughable moments
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of the debate.
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There's not a lot of focus on what we learned or what was said in seriousness at the debate.
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So those are kind of my thoughts and my opinions.
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And now I will head over to Luchana and you can hear her thoughts and opinions.
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Hi everyone and welcome back to an episode of Project 2028.
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I'm Luchana here with my co-hosts, Al and Ryan.
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We are excited to give you some updates on the exciting presidential debate that happened.
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We'd like to start off with saying that we're very sorry for any inconsistency in episodes
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recently.
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Our schedules have been busy, but we're working together to make sure that we can be releasing
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more regularly for viewers like you.
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So now let's dive right in to summary and thoughts on the debate.
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The first issue that was talked about was the economy.
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President Harris started off by saying that she grew up very middle class and she knows
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how hard it is to be not wealthy.
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So she said she has plans for how to make sure that everyone can have the same resources
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such as giving loans to small businesses.
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And she says that one of the biggest things that's been an issue for maybe low income
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families has been Trump's sales tax.
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Trump then responds to this by saying, well that's not true, I didn't have the sales tax.
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And he also says that to help the economy he is going to be increasing tariffs on foreign
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goods.
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He then veers off into talking about how undocumented immigrants have affected this issue and the
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moderator gets him back on track saying, you know, we'll talk about this later, and asks
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Kamala for the rebuttal.
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Kamala says that she has been cleaning- her and President Biden have been cleaning up
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former President Trump's mess for a very long time and now they can finally start actually
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rebuilding the economy.
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So yeah.
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They then rebut that a little bit and talk about tariffs.
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Now personally, I am not into finance.
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I do not think that this is one of the most interesting aspects of politics.
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I am sure that Ryan will be able to fill you in a ton on how this affects things, but since
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this isn't really my area of expertise, I'm going to take a minute to mention some things
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about first impressions of both candidates.
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They both seem considerably stronger than last debate, if that makes sense.
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Last debate, both Mr. Trump and Mr. Biden were looking old and frail.
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This time even Mr. Trump, who is, if he's re-elected, I believe he'll be the oldest
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president.
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I believe so.
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And then he was looking stronger than before, healthier than before, and Ms. Harris, Kamala,
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was looking incredible.
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She was looking strong and powerful.
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She commanded the stage and it was very captivating to watch her.
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And then former President Trump looked very, he looks very confident as well.
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He had, I think one thing that both candidates were trying to do was show how calm they were
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being.
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So at some points you would see one candidate just laughing to themselves about something
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the other one said, and I just thought that made it really interesting to watch.
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Another thing I noticed about President, both the former president and the current vice
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president's body language, was the former president was looking away when the current
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vice president, Kamala, was speaking, but Kamala was making a point to look right at
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him.
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So that was just something interesting that I noticed.
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Just another interesting point.
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So they talk about tariffs for a little bit, and then they turn to a more hot button issue
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of abortion.
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So the question is, well actually let me read it for you.
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So the moderator, the moderator Lindsay Davis says, I want to turn to the issue of abortion.
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President Trump, you've often touted that you were able to kill Roe vs. Wade.
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Last year you said that you were proud to be the most pro-life president in American
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history.
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Then last month you said that your administration would be great for women and their reproductive
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rights.
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In your home state of Florida you surprised many with regard to your six week abortion
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ban because you initially had said that it was too short and you said, I'm going to
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be voting that we need more than six weeks.
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But then the very next day you reversed course and said you would vote to support the six
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week ban.
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Vice President Harris says the women shouldn't trust you on the issue of abortion because
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you've changed your position so many times before.
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So therefore why should they trust you?
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This was a very interesting question.
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Obviously one that is so important to so many people.
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It's a very important issue to both sides.
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So a lot of people I think were really excited to see how he'd respond.
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Maybe excited is the wrong word.
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I think some of them, some of them this is a really important thing.
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They needed to see how he would respond.
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This is an issue for him with a lot of moderate voters.
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They don't like his very conservative stances on abortion.
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So this is a very big deal for him.
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And now while we do stay unbiased here on Project 2028, the thing that he said in response
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to this was 100% untrue.
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He says and I quote, well the reason I'm doing that vote is because the plan is, as you know,
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the vote is they have the abortion in the ninth month.
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They even have and you can look at the governor of West Virginia, the previous governor of
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West Virginia, not the current governor who's doing an excellent job, but the governor before.
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He said the baby will be born and we will decide what to do with the baby.
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In other words, we'll execute the baby.
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And that's why I did that because that predominates because they're radical.
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The Democrats are radical in that.
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And her vice presidential pick, which I think was a horrible pick by the way for our country
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because he's really out of it, but her vice presidential picks abortion in the ninth month
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is absolutely fine.
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He also says execution after birth.
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It's execution, no longer abortion because the baby is born is okay.
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And that's not okay with me.
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Hence the vote.
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But what I did is something for 52 years they've been trying to get Roe v Wade into the states.
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He goes on to talk about how he believes in abortion for in the exceptions of rape and
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incest and the life of a mother.
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He says that 85% of Republicans agree with that and want exceptions for it.
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And then so he talks a little bit more about that and how he thinks it's great that Roe
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v Wade versus overturn was sorry, pardon me, overturned.
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And then moderator Lindsay Davis fact checks him by saying that there's no state in this
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country where it's legal to kill a baby after it's born.
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And then she asks Kamala for her response.
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So this was, I think this could be a point that brings up a lot of feelings to put it
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that way.
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I think that in the past, he has objectively made false statements on abortion.
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And this is just one more thing adding fuel to the fire because this one was so blatant
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talking about executing babies, which is something that no matter where you stand on the issue,
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if you look at the facts, you can understand that babies are not murdered after they're
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born.
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That is not how abortion works.
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No matter what you think the fetus inside of a mother is, no one's aborting babies once
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they're born and no one's doing it in the ninth month.
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So this was, I, in my opinion, this was a very important moment in the debate and I'm
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very curious to see if the moderates will think the same thing, if some of them will
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think, you know what, this is just his opinions on abortion are too crazy for me, so I don't
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think I can vote for him.
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Or if people will say, no, I agree with this opinion, I'm going to vote for him.
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So that's just my opinion.
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And then Ms. Kamala rebutted by saying that Trump was full of lies and she said that Roe,
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that the overturning of Roe has hurt lots of women, but she wants to sign it back into
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effect, which again, I think could really help her.
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So that was very interesting.
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And then Trump responds by saying like, well, I'm not going to sign an abortion ban because
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now we have what we want.
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The states have the right to choose.
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And then the moderator asks if he would veto a national abortion ban.
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Sorry, a national abortion ban.
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Trump says that he would not have to because right now people are happy, the states have
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the choice, and the decision that the states are making reflects what the people want.
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He then goes on to talk about how JD Vance and him do not share the same opinion on abortion.
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And then the moderator asks Ms. Harris if she has any, if she would, pardon me, I'm
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so sorry, if she would support any restrictions to a woman's right on an abortion.
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And she wants to reinstate Roe versus Wade and all the protections that come with it.
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And she says that it's absolutely not true that no one's carrying a pregnancy to term
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and then wanting an abortion.
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And then she also says that actually, to be honest, she doesn't completely answer the
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question here.
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She more just says that she wants Roe versus Wade back.
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And then when the moderator prompts her, from President Trump, interrupts and starts talking
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about IVF, they argue for they argue for a little bit here, honestly, lots of interrupting.
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I think this might be a good time for the moderators to step in a little bit, but they
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do not.
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From President Trump is again reiterating that they do abortions in the seventh month,
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eighth month, ninth month.
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So they're arguing a good bit about that.
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And then they start talking about immigration and border security.
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So this is when Vice President Harris says that she has prosecuted transnational criminal
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organizations for trafficking guns, drugs, and humans.
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And she's just talking about all the work she's done to stop drugs and and sorry, like
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other organized crime.
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So that's really interesting.
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And then and then President Trump starts talking and he makes some statements that I feel are
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very interesting.
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And I do feel they're relevant.
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He starts talking about how undocumented immigrants eat pets.
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And I just thought that this was such a baseless claim to make.
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And in my opinion, it seems to be one rooted in a little bit of racism or xenophobia.
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So I just thought that was really interesting for him to say when he knew that it was going
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to be shared with so many people.
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And I also wonder if this will have an impact on how people who are in the middle, still
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undecided vote when they hear him saying like, yeah, they they eat dogs, they eat cats, they
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eat your pets.
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Like, I think a lot of I think a lot of people in the America, pretty much everyone has some
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relative or friend who maybe wasn't born here.
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Their parents weren't born here.
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Their grandparents weren't born here because at the end of the day, pretty much all of
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us are descended from immigrants.
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So I think that might be a really hurtful statement for someone to hear and be like,
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oh, well, I know someone who's an undocumented immigrant and I can't believe you're saying
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that about them.
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So I think this is going to be something that will be relevant later on, but I'm not sure.
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We'll come back to our episodes after the election and see what we predicted that was
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true and what wasn't.
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This is again, not my area of expertise, but there was again, just a lot.
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This was a very tense and heated topic for our candidates.
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There was a lot of discourse about it.
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And in the end, I would say maybe it went over better for Kamala, but also many Republicans
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really are passionate about Trump's stance on this.
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But maybe for the moderates, it looked better for Kamala.
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And moving on.
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So fracking, I'm going to be completely honest, I had to read about five articles about fracking
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before I recorded this, but I had no idea what was going on.
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I was so tired.
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So they were asking Vice President Harris if she let because last run for president,
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she went to ban fracking and now she doesn't.
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And they were talking about how some of her policies have changed and then but she says
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her values haven't changed.
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So they talked about that and she talks about her opinions on these things, how she won't
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ban fracking because she thinks that it helps to invest in potential sources of energy and
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it helps us reduce our reliance on foreign oil.
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And then I'm sorry.
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So Trump rebuts that and says that she gives up on her policies and you can't trust her
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because she's not consistent.
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So then then the next question is about January 6th.
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And this goes how it normally does with with President Trump more deflecting than anything
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by saying like, you know, I never incited violence.
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So this is always a very interesting issue.
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I feel like it if I'm being completely honest, I feel like it plays out almost the same every
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time it's asked, but it's still very interesting to hear about.
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They then talk about the Israel-Palestine War and President sorry, Vice President Kamala
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kind of reiterates that, you know, I think that Israel has a right to defend themselves,
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that they need to be careful about how they do it because innocent people are being hurt.
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And then Trump says that, you know, if I was president, this wouldn't have even happened.
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Their opinions on this have more or less stayed the same.
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I think that Kamala is trying to be more moderate on this issue because her voter demographic
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is kind of split, so if she went too far in either direction, it could really, really
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affect her.
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So while there was obviously much more to this debate, there was one more thing I thought
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was relevant when Donald Trump starts talking about how Kamala quote unquote is not actually
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black.
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This leads to her getting very upset with him about how he defines race.
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And it was just very interesting because this is something he has said on social media and
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in speeches a number of times, but I think it was very surprising that he would actually
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say this to her face.
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