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ITB: What Would The Best Defense Of NFC East-Only Players Look Like? · Inside the Birds: A Philadelphia Eagles Podcast

• 0:09
  Speaker 1: Inside the Birds is back. What's going on? Everybody? It
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  Speaker 1: is Jeff Mosher and Adam Kapan. We're gonna finish off
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  Speaker 1: our two part podcast series. We do it every year.
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  Speaker 1: We draft the NFC both on no excuse me, we
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  Speaker 1: draft the NFC both on offense and defense. So if
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  Speaker 1: you missed it, make sure you catch our first episode,
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  Speaker 1: which was the offense. That was real fun, and in
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  Speaker 1: this one it will be also real fun. We're gonna
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  Speaker 1: draft the defense. And the one thing that just doing
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  Speaker 1: research a lot, there's a lot of good defensive player,
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  Speaker 1: especially pass rushers in the NFC East, and that's gonna
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  Speaker 1: make for a real interesting front, four front six. Now,
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  Speaker 1: Adam and I say, this is just the best defense
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  Speaker 1: you can put together. So we've given ourselves a liberty
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  Speaker 1: to run a three to four front, a four to
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  Speaker 1: three front, whatever you want to do, as long as
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  Speaker 1: it's reasonable. As we always say, you get to pick.
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  Speaker 1: So the first thing we're gonna do ad him is
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  Speaker 1: take a quick look back at last year's determined again
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  Speaker 1: the winner. Now, if anybody hasn't seen the offensive version yet,
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  Speaker 1: we determined in a very highly you know, like a
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  Speaker 1: real real thorough forensic science way that Adam won the
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  Speaker 1: offense six to four. So let's take a quick look
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  Speaker 1: at how he did defensively last year. All right, let's
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  Speaker 1: you start off an edge Adam I gave. Now, you
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  Speaker 1: drafted Micah Parsons because that happened before he got traded
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  Speaker 1: to Green Bay. But I just treated it like a
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  Speaker 1: Micah Parsons season. He got hurt, and he got hurt.
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  Speaker 1: Brian Burns had sixteen and a half sacks last year,
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  Speaker 1: but Parsons had twelve and a half in like thirteen games.
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  Speaker 1: So I called it even. But I think they were
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  Speaker 1: both awesome when they were playing. You know, it wasn't
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  Speaker 1: like Parsons missed like the whole year or anything like that.
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  Speaker 1: So that was a tie. Jelex Hunt had a better
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  Speaker 1: year than Nolan Smith Junior. I think you would agree
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  Speaker 1: with that, all right, So I won on that one. Now,
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  Speaker 1: when we moved to the interior defensive line, you just
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  Speaker 1: wiped the floor with me. Because Dexter Lawrence had a really,
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  Speaker 1: really bad year. So Jill and Carter have had a
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  Speaker 1: bad year by his standards, it was still better than
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  Speaker 1: Dexter Lawrence.
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  Speaker 2: I can't disagree with that.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, And then o Diggi Zoo had an
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  Speaker 1: okay year for the Cowboys. You know, he got traded
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  Speaker 1: in to the forty nine ers, and but it was
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  Speaker 1: still a better year than Darn Payne.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, Darn paying the questions where they going to bring
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  Speaker 2: him back? That was that was real. Yeah, I just
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  Speaker 2: started to bring him back a lot of money. Uh.
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  Speaker 2: It's interesting at inside backer because with Kara k he's
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  Speaker 2: clearly not the same player. Like they moved on from him,
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  Speaker 2: which was kind of surprising. Yeah, but they clearly didn't
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  Speaker 2: think it was good enough. And it's not like anyone
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  Speaker 2: else has jumped to sign him. But Zach barn did
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  Speaker 2: what not a lot of people thought they could do.
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  Speaker 2: He could do come close to repeating his success from
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  Speaker 2: twenty four. He was still really really good last season.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, still good. Uh so he won over ok here
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  Speaker 1: And you know it's I think Jahack Campbell would have
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  Speaker 1: won this matchup versus Frankie Louvu if he had just started,
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  Speaker 1: you know, after week eight, before Nikobe Dean came back. Interestingly,
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  Speaker 1: none of us took na Kobe Dean. We knew he
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  Speaker 1: was coming off that surgery. Either of us had, they
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  Speaker 1: would have won this category. You know, going away, But
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  Speaker 1: Louvu sort of got the He definitely got the nod
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  Speaker 1: over Campbell because he played more and even though it
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  Speaker 1: was a down year for him, it was still more productive.
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  Speaker 2: From what I've heard, they're probably going to play more
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  Speaker 2: at edge going forward because inside backer.
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  Speaker 1: Yep. So interesting, Yeah, for sure, all right. At corner,
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  Speaker 1: this one was really interesting. I clearly got the best
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  Speaker 1: on on top corner Quina Mitchell over a debo. I
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  Speaker 1: gave a draw to Lattimore and Bland. They both missed
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  Speaker 1: games and both had like each had one interception, and
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  Speaker 1: they just they both had bad years, to be honest
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  Speaker 1: with you, so it wasn't there was nothing to tout
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  Speaker 1: for either of them. It was kind of a bad high.
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  Speaker 1: And then you kicked my rear end and Nickel with
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  Speaker 1: Cooper to Gene over Mikey Sandras.
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  Speaker 2: Still yeah, or you could be like the Seahawks one
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  Speaker 2: year they didn't play Nickel. I don't know if you
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  Speaker 2: know that, which is the most ridiculous thing. I remember
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  Speaker 2: pet Karl havn't to explain why, and they got it
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  Speaker 2: wrong many years ago. It's ridiculous. But when you look
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  Speaker 2: at this situation, Marshall Lattimore that that, oh what a disaster,
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  Speaker 2: just that that trade never worked out. They got desperate
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  Speaker 2: for cornerback help and you just never played well in Sandrastill.
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  Speaker 2: Here's the thing. First year Nickel right, really really good.
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  Speaker 2: Last year corner didn't play as well. What is he
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  Speaker 2: going forward? That that makes it tough?
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  Speaker 1: It does? It does? Now you know they're playing this
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  Speaker 1: style of defense under Dante Jones. It's gonna mirror what
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  Speaker 1: theoretically that his mentor, Brian Flores does. So it's hard
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  Speaker 1: to even say what like, because you know Flora's moves.
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  Speaker 1: Guys like Sandra Still could could wind up playing fifteen
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  Speaker 1: percent of edge rushing snaps and be a blitzer for
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  Speaker 1: all we know, because that's how crazy uh flora as gets.
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  Speaker 1: But it'll be interesting to see where they use him.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, looking forward to that. And then it's honestly safety.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, you gave me the not a re blanket ship.
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  Speaker 1: I had to. I rent back and looked. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: Javon Holland had a very average year and so did
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  Speaker 1: Read but it was just slightly better, So you know, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: and then I meant to I probably should have bolded
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  Speaker 1: Nuban over macoba here because mccomba missed so much time.
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  Speaker 1: But I started that in the overall. Uh No, So
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  Speaker 1: even if I gave myself four wins, because basically you
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  Speaker 1: won with j Alex Hunt, Jillen Carter, Odigi Zoa, that's three,
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  Speaker 1: Cooper de Gene four and Reblanket Ship five and I
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  Speaker 1: want there were a couple of ties and I got
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  Speaker 1: four out of this.
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  Speaker 1: will start off our defensive here. I think I had
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  Speaker 1: the first pick in the offensive one, so you're automatically
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  Speaker 1: going to give you for I'm not going to do
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  Speaker 1: the virtual coin flip again. We'll just give you first
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  Speaker 1: pick in defense.
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  Speaker 2: All right, Well, there are a lot of ways I
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  Speaker 2: could go here. Jalen Carter when healthy is dominant. We're
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  Speaker 2: going to get the same Jalen Carter. Last year was
• 7:23
  Speaker 2: not good for him. Before that, he was great. That's
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  Speaker 2: always a question. Is Quinn Williams is getting up there
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  Speaker 2: in age, still very good player. It's his first full
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  Speaker 2: season with Cowboys, so it's de tackle to me is
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  Speaker 2: it's kind of top heavy, although it's pretty deep. It's
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  Speaker 2: pretty deep, but andre's some good ones linebacker. Oh yeah,
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  Speaker 2: and by the way, we could we could draft a
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  Speaker 2: thirty four front, or we could draft a forty three front.
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  Speaker 2: That's part of the YEP, that's part of it. It's
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  Speaker 2: like doing eleven or twelve personnel team. But it's all
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  Speaker 2: about drafting the best players correct and the best. The
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  Speaker 2: best player here is at a position it's super hard.
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  Speaker 2: You get corner, damn it all right? And with Adam
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  Speaker 2: going through Ron Bland, you got me for a second,
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  Speaker 2: I was like, what n John Bland? Who like it's
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  Speaker 2: typical of the Cowboys corners, Like, you know, he was
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  Speaker 2: a good nickel one year played outside, didn't didn't play
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  Speaker 2: as well. No, it's Quinon que On Mitchell is the
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  Speaker 2: is my first player here. He's got to be the
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  Speaker 2: guy here. He's just I don't worry so much about interceptions.
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  Speaker 2: I know it's better in the playoffs. It's about coverage ability,
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  Speaker 2: blanket coverage, really good tackler, elite in coverage. He doesn't
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  Speaker 2: worry about getting beat. The rare that he ever gets beat,
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  Speaker 2: he's just he's shame and all those teams we're so
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  Speaker 2: concerned that he didn't play man coverage at Toledo, Well,
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  Speaker 2: it's just it teams tak themselves out of anything.
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  Speaker 1: Man Oh, yeah, for sure they do. Yeah, all right,
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  Speaker 1: well that was the guy I was going to take,
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  Speaker 1: hoping that you would go elsewhere. No, that was pretty
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  Speaker 1: smart of you. So I'm gonna all right. I like
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  Speaker 1: I said in the first episode offense, I just think
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  Speaker 1: that overall, the division is deeper and better at so
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  Speaker 1: many spots that I don't The cornerback was the one
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  Speaker 1: where to me, there's like a one and then everybody
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  Speaker 1: else doesn't compare, and you just took that. So I
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  Speaker 1: don't feel like pressured now to have to get the
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  Speaker 1: best guy at another position, although there are a couple
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  Speaker 1: areas I might we'll see on my second pick, but
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  Speaker 1: I do want best player, short thing, a guy I
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  Speaker 1: think is great. So I'm gonna go the guy who
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  Speaker 1: had sixteen and a half sacks last year, who has
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  Speaker 1: a track record of putting together a bunch of sacks.
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  Speaker 1: New defensive coordinator, new scheme. I don't think I'll I
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  Speaker 1: think that'll only just make him just as good. And
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  Speaker 1: I'm gonna go with Brian Burns of the Giants. You
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  Speaker 1: can't come off.
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  Speaker 2: You're gonna run the thirty four front under Jennard Wilson,
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  Speaker 2: and they're going to keep it the integrity of the defense.
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  Speaker 2: He'll do great in this defense. Yep.
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  Speaker 1: Absolutely. And then I guess because there is one position
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  Speaker 1: where I feel like this guy, although he's kind of
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  Speaker 1: I have to decide where I'm going to play him.
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  Speaker 1: But I'm just gonna for now consider him my nickel
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  Speaker 1: and I'm gonna take Cooper to Gen because I don't
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  Speaker 1: want to mess around with any other of these potential nickels.
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  Speaker 2: EPA man, best player.
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  Speaker 1: That's exactly question. So go ahead, you finish off round
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  Speaker 1: two and then start round three.
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  Speaker 2: Now the drop off and overall talent has happened. M
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  Speaker 2: hm h, it's definitely happened. Boy, oh boy, oh boy.
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  Speaker 2: Well he is rehabbed his shoulders tire offseason. Let's see
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  Speaker 2: what happens. Train of camp. Open says, you're having a
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  Speaker 2: hold in uh Jalen Carter's on her serious consideration at
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  Speaker 2: this pick. There's no question about it.
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  Speaker 1: I get it, but I'm going to stay on.
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  Speaker 2: The same team but not take him. This is a
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  Speaker 2: guy who's one of the best linebackers in football. That's
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  Speaker 2: Zac Baond. I'm gonna probably play a thirty four fronts
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  Speaker 2: as we do this draft. I'll make a decision as
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  Speaker 2: we will see what the talent level is.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, like I already determined I'm playing the nickel front
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  Speaker 1: because I drafted the gene as a nickel. But I
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  Speaker 1: couldn't to your point, I could still do it.
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  Speaker 2: Can you a chance to who's available? But I was
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  Speaker 2: gonna go with Koop, but you took it from me.
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  Speaker 2: Zach Bahn is a phenomenal football player. Should have been
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  Speaker 2: an All Pro last year. He was two years ago.
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  Speaker 2: Mm hmm, first team problem talking about he's an absolute
• 11:46
  Speaker 2: superstar player, it's hard to believe. It's another one of
• 11:49
  Speaker 2: those stories you just you can't see coming. And that's
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  Speaker 2: my first one here.
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  Speaker 1: That's three after that. In the first four players, by
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  Speaker 1: the way, three Eagles.
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  Speaker 2: You know what, we're just we're not homers. So that's
• 12:01
  Speaker 2: the people for being negative. But we have truth tellers.
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  Speaker 2: That's there's a major difference. After that. Now it's a
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  Speaker 2: chip boys, it's really dropping off.
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  Speaker 1: Oh man, there are some good players there.
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  Speaker 2: I know, I know, I know, you know what, boy,
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  Speaker 2: this is tough. This is tough, and I don't really
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  Speaker 2: want to go with another Eagle. But the problem is
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  Speaker 2: de tackle after car see after Carter is it's just
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  Speaker 2: that there's a drop off. Don't know about what's going
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  Speaker 2: to happen with the rest of those guys. I'm looking
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  Speaker 2: at Grenard here. I know he's coming up with shoulder surgery,
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  Speaker 2: but he's suspected to be fine by training camp.
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  Speaker 1: Mm hmm.
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  Speaker 2: It's a big ask. It's a big ask. But again
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  Speaker 2: the drop off is huge, huge. Yeah, I mean, like
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  Speaker 2: Carter full season, we'll see. Remember Timoda is still there.
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  Speaker 2: I'm looking at Corner. Yeah, it's not as good Nicols,
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  Speaker 2: not as good safety. There are plenty of them. I'm
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  Speaker 2: gonna take Jonathan Garnard and just believing that he's going
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  Speaker 2: to be great. You know, he's you know, we'll look
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  Speaker 2: at the we'll find out how the from Greg co
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  Speaker 2: seals this season goes along. Haws. He playing the run,
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  Speaker 2: but it's about first step quickness. He's unreal with his
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  Speaker 2: first step quickness.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm I'm even surprised. I mean, to me, there
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  Speaker 1: were only two guys here that were sort of like
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  Speaker 1: the obvious but on the obvious but like strong, and
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  Speaker 1: he was one of them. So I think you you
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  Speaker 1: I was almost hoping you were going to talk your
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  Speaker 1: way out of it. So I could get and burns
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  Speaker 1: as my edges, and I think I don't think anybody
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  Speaker 1: will be able to beat that. But you took Grenard
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  Speaker 1: to start round three. So I'm gonna go with the
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  Speaker 1: other guy that you considered and do the same thing
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  Speaker 1: that you were saying, and you get the best talent
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  Speaker 1: and you hope they stay healthy and motivated. And I'm
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  Speaker 1: gonna take Jalen Carter. So, by the way, that would
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  Speaker 1: be now one to.
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  Speaker 2: Wait a minute. Did I take Carter as my first pick?
• 14:03
  Speaker 1: Didn't you take Quiney Mitchell as your first pick?
• 14:05
  Speaker 2: Oh? I took Quenya. I'm sorry you took it.
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  Speaker 1: You debated it, but yeah, you went with Mitchell. I
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  Speaker 1: got you.
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  Speaker 2: Just Carter, I just don't know. I don't I don't know.
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  Speaker 2: I just don't know if you could play a full season.
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  Speaker 2: That we told folks when he was drafted that we
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  Speaker 2: didn't know about both shoulders. We were told he was
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  Speaker 2: going to have a problem with one of his shoulders.
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  Speaker 2: It could be nagging. It wouldn't The thought was it
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  Speaker 2: wouldn't hurt the endure, the like the the length of
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  Speaker 2: his career. But it was going to be nagging. It's
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  Speaker 2: going to be bothersome and here we are. It's exactly
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  Speaker 2: what's happened. Yep, And now is he going to play?
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  Speaker 2: It's not just so many games he plays, it's the effectiveness.
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  Speaker 2: It wasn't that effective last year.
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  Speaker 1: Listen, I'm with you. You remember what I did on offense.
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  Speaker 1: I took guys who had high upside. But we're coming
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  Speaker 1: off injuries and that's either gonna really help me or
• 14:53
  Speaker 1: it's gonna really hurt me. And that's how I feel
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  Speaker 1: about this Carter pick. This could be an amazing pick
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  Speaker 1: when I pair him with Burns and degen Right, this
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  Speaker 1: could be amazing, but he could not have a very
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  Speaker 1: healthy So I'm willing to take that risk. Uh. And
• 15:07
  Speaker 1: then with my pick to start the fourth round, you
• 15:09
  Speaker 1: forced my hand on this pick because you took the
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  Speaker 1: best guy at a very thin position when you went
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  Speaker 1: with Quinnon Mitchell, and I can't believe we. I know
• 15:17
  Speaker 1: people are think we're in homers, but I really think
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  Speaker 1: the next best corner outside corner in the vision is
• 15:22
  Speaker 1: Reek Wolan. So I'm just gonna go with him. And again,
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  Speaker 1: hope for like, what am I gonna do?
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  Speaker 2: Go with?
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  Speaker 1: Like Let's say you took wooland in your next two picks.
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  Speaker 1: Then I'm down to like pauls in a debo Trey
• 15:35
  Speaker 1: a miss doron Black. I can't do that.
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  Speaker 2: You can't. I know you're you're kind of boxed in. Yeah,
• 15:41
  Speaker 2: that's you're right, you're right.
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  Speaker 1: All right, Well that's four oh seven. Now you're up
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  Speaker 1: for four oh eight and then five o nine, top
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  Speaker 1: of the fifth. All right, fourth and top of the fifth.
• 15:51
  Speaker 2: I got to take Quentin Williams here. He's the best
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  Speaker 2: player on the board. Yep, let's see how he does
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  Speaker 2: for first full season here. At least get you being
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  Speaker 2: there from the beginning of training camp. That's the big thing. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: that to me, it is kind of a layup pick.
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  Speaker 2: Now after that it's really hard. God like, in fact,
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  Speaker 2: I trade this pick if we were allowed.
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  Speaker 1: To nice inporate that next year.
• 16:15
  Speaker 2: Twin Davis is a possibility here because you know what,
• 16:18
  Speaker 2: you're getting an elite run stopper, this disruptive upfront. I
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  Speaker 2: just he's getting a little better as a pass rusher.
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  Speaker 2: He's a consideration. But I'm not doing it. I'm not
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  Speaker 2: doing it. I'm not doing it. I'm taking Now this
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  Speaker 2: is a little bit ford thinking. Okay, actually you know what. Nah, Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: I'm going to believe that Caleb Downs. He was a
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  Speaker 2: first round pick. You know, he's supposed to be one
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  Speaker 2: of the best players for the draft, and he is.
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  Speaker 2: He is nickel ability, He's got maneuver in terms of
• 16:55
  Speaker 2: where you can line him up. I'm gonna believe that
• 16:59
  Speaker 2: the Capital well finally finally play respectable defense, be actually competitive.
• 17:06
  Speaker 2: Uh under Christian Parker running fangio. Christian's super smart. I'm
• 17:11
  Speaker 2: gonna i gotta maybe he is Degene here. He's not
• 17:16
  Speaker 2: the athlete the Coop is, but he's got versatility. I'm
• 17:19
  Speaker 2: going I'm gonna go with Calen Downs.
• 17:21
  Speaker 1: I love it. I love it. Now you're playing them
• 17:23
  Speaker 1: at safety, right, You're he's your Okay, yeah, good pick,
• 17:29
  Speaker 1: good pick. Well this has been do we have? We
• 17:32
  Speaker 1: have Eagles and Cowboys. I'm trying to think if we
• 17:34
  Speaker 1: picked any other teams player. Oh yeah, Brian Burns is
• 17:38
  Speaker 1: the Giants. That's the only guy in nine picks that
• 17:42
  Speaker 1: isn't an Eagle or a Cowboy. Very interesting. Guess what?
• 17:45
  Speaker 1: Going right back to the Eagles tank. Okay, I got
• 17:49
  Speaker 1: Burns on one edge, and I'm gonna end Round five
• 17:51
  Speaker 1: with Jylex Hunt.
• 17:53
  Speaker 2: I was thinking seriously going him over Downs. Yeah, I
• 17:56
  Speaker 2: know you are.
• 17:57
  Speaker 1: I was, and I was hoping you wouldn't. So that's good.
• 17:59
  Speaker 1: Uh again going high upside here, hoping it works out.
• 18:03
  Speaker 1: That'll end round six, So I'm sorry round five, I'll
• 18:06
  Speaker 1: start round six, eleventh overall pick. This one's tough, man.
• 18:12
  Speaker 1: I don't have an inside linebacker yet. Good luck you
• 18:16
  Speaker 1: already took on. I'm gonna go kind of like you
• 18:21
  Speaker 1: did with Caleb Downs and just go with sort of
• 18:24
  Speaker 1: like expectations and a friendly scheme for this position. Athleticism.
• 18:31
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna go sunny styles. Oh yeah, considered Campbell. I do.
• 18:36
  Speaker 1: Campbell was consideration, But I'm in this for some fun
• 18:40
  Speaker 1: and for high upside and styles as tremendous upside in.
• 18:43
  Speaker 2: This to me, if we're doing defensive dynasty draft, I
• 18:46
  Speaker 2: take them here, right. He's it's just so new to
• 18:52
  Speaker 2: the position. But his I was talking to one team
• 18:56
  Speaker 2: about him recently. His his his mental testing was off
• 19:00
  Speaker 2: the charts for a guy who's just new to this position.
• 19:02
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, it's.
• 19:03
  Speaker 2: Kind of hard. It's really It probably helps that his
• 19:05
  Speaker 2: dad play in the league. For those who might remember,
• 19:07
  Speaker 2: Lorenzo Styles, who played for the Falcons. I want to
• 19:09
  Speaker 2: see both the rams, but anyway, Sonny Styles is the pick. Now,
• 19:12
  Speaker 2: I'm up for two.
• 19:14
  Speaker 1: You're up for two. You n round six, you start
• 19:15
  Speaker 1: round seven. Let me just while you pick, I'm gonna
• 19:23
  Speaker 1: tell people what you got so far. You have one
• 19:25
  Speaker 1: edge with Jonathan Garnard. You have one inside linebacker with
• 19:28
  Speaker 1: Zach Bonn. You have one corner with Quinnon Mitchell. You
• 19:32
  Speaker 1: have a safety in Caleb Downs, and an interior defensive
• 19:36
  Speaker 1: lineman or a DT in Quinn and Williams.
• 19:39
  Speaker 2: Mm hmm.
• 19:41
  Speaker 1: All right, my two picks one of every position. That's
• 19:44
  Speaker 1: pretty well balanced. I like how you did that.
• 19:47
  Speaker 2: All right, My two picks are well, I'm looking for
• 19:50
  Speaker 2: another safety and this guy is so underrated. Okay, I
• 19:54
  Speaker 2: am looking forward to see what what Dan Quinn, m
• 20:00
  Speaker 2: and Dante Jones do with this guy? Is Nick Cross
• 20:02
  Speaker 2: the very underrated safety free agent? Yeah?
• 20:05
  Speaker 1: I like that. Look at you thinking outside the box
• 20:08
  Speaker 1: a little bit.
• 20:08
  Speaker 2: Okay, Yeah, that's one of them.
• 20:11
  Speaker 1: Okay, start the seventh round seven. You finished with safety,
• 20:16
  Speaker 1: so that was good. I don't even have a safety.
• 20:19
  Speaker 2: And then I took one.
• 20:25
  Speaker 3: Mm hm.
• 20:29
  Speaker 2: You know, wait who who who are your D tackles?
• 20:32
  Speaker 1: My D tackles. All I have is Jill and Carter.
• 20:35
  Speaker 1: That's it.
• 20:35
  Speaker 2: Who do I have?
• 20:37
  Speaker 1: You have is Quentin Williams.
• 20:38
  Speaker 2: Okay, okay, uh I need I need pass Rusher. I've
• 20:47
  Speaker 2: I've Green Artist come off surgery. I have to believe
• 20:52
  Speaker 2: that Rashaun Gary coming off you had the trade at
• 20:57
  Speaker 2: first full season here, it's a big deal for him.
• 21:00
  Speaker 2: Uh he goes back to playing in the thirty fourth front.
• 21:02
  Speaker 2: I'll take Rashaun Gary here and need another pets rush.
• 21:05
  Speaker 1: That's risky. I don't like that pick personally, but hey,
• 21:07
  Speaker 1: that's your pick.
• 21:08
  Speaker 2: See he does.
• 21:09
  Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, we'll say you could tell my thing
• 21:13
  Speaker 1: is like the young high upside guy like I would
• 21:15
  Speaker 1: have gone like either Abdull Carter or maybe even away there.
• 21:19
  Speaker 1: But I get it. I get it.
• 21:21
  Speaker 2: Oh way, man, that's that wast contracts way too.
• 21:23
  Speaker 1: Which no, it's yeah, no, no doubt about it. But
• 21:27
  Speaker 1: all right, so all right, you want carry seven to
• 21:30
  Speaker 1: one three I end the seventh round. I have no safeties, man,
• 21:37
  Speaker 1: but you have two, so I don't really feel like
• 21:39
  Speaker 1: I have to go run and grab one now. So
• 21:41
  Speaker 1: I'm I'm going to continue to go with players who
• 21:44
  Speaker 1: I think are are high upside or you know, I'm
• 21:47
  Speaker 1: debating like Jordan Davis, but I'm I'm really running a
• 21:50
  Speaker 1: Nickel front. So I think I'm just actually gonna take
• 21:53
  Speaker 1: more of a Joemo here and put him next to
• 21:56
  Speaker 1: Carter and I basically have the Eagles, you know, Nickel
• 22:00
  Speaker 1: DT tandem. So I'll go Morojomo to round seven and
• 22:05
  Speaker 1: to start round eight at eight one five, I will
• 22:10
  Speaker 1: take Man. I feel like a Homer if I do this.
• 22:22
  Speaker 1: I'm caught between. I'm caught between Jeha Campbell and r
• 22:26
  Speaker 1: Vel Reese, and I have so many Eagles that if
• 22:30
  Speaker 1: anything goes wrong with the Eagles defense, it's.
• 22:32
  Speaker 2: Gonna well Campbell can he stay on the field with health, and.
• 22:35
  Speaker 1: That's yeah, yeah. If I take Reese though, Adam, I
• 22:38
  Speaker 1: have recent styles who are both top fifteen picks, but
• 22:42
  Speaker 1: rookies like there's so much there's not like a sure
• 22:45
  Speaker 1: thing there, but I'm not sure that we've got sure
• 22:48
  Speaker 1: things anywhere, so why not have fun with it? Rvel Reese,
• 22:51
  Speaker 1: that's my pick, all right, and you will finish round
• 22:56
  Speaker 1: eight and start round nine.
• 22:58
  Speaker 2: All right? I need another corner. The guy played extremely well.
• 23:01
  Speaker 2: I know the Commandos are very happy with Trey Amos
• 23:03
  Speaker 2: before he got hurt.
• 23:04
  Speaker 1: Yeah, we'll go.
• 23:05
  Speaker 2: We'll team up Amos another talented young corner next to Mitchell.
• 23:09
  Speaker 3: Okay, I've got I only have one d tackle.
• 23:22
  Speaker 1: You have one D tackle and his name is Quentin Williams.
• 23:26
  Speaker 2: And now I'm going to take Jordan Davis. Yeah, needed
• 23:30
  Speaker 2: one and made a big jump last year. Hungary got
• 23:34
  Speaker 2: the contract extension. Ye got himself an unbelievable football shape.
• 23:38
  Speaker 2: I mean he the light went on man. There were
• 23:40
  Speaker 2: obviously Eagles fans know how bad it was the first
• 23:43
  Speaker 2: two years. But light went on man when it went on.
• 23:46
  Speaker 2: And everything I've heard is that it's not going to
• 23:48
  Speaker 2: stop because he gets it. When players get it, when
• 23:51
  Speaker 2: they mature, they don't they don't revert back, you know.
• 23:56
  Speaker 1: So I for sure good pick uh man. I have
• 24:02
  Speaker 1: just my secondary to fill out here, and my options
• 24:05
  Speaker 1: aren't great. I'm going to keep the Geenet Nickel though,
• 24:08
  Speaker 1: and I am going to take Jalen Thompson, the Cowboys
• 24:13
  Speaker 1: safety player, and hopefully in this new defense that you
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: mentioned with Parker in charge of it, hopefully it looks
• 24:22
  Speaker 1: a little bit better. So I uh have hours yeah right,
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: it can't be worse. Well, we'll say I'll end the
• 24:31
  Speaker 1: ninth round with Thompson and then I'll start the tenth
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: round with I guess this is just a steady pick
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: at corneries. Even last year it wasn't bad, It just
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: wasn't great. But I'll take Paulson and Debo okay, opposite
• 24:45
  Speaker 1: riek walland there you go.
• 24:46
  Speaker 2: Decent player. All right, I'm up for two. I need
• 24:50
  Speaker 2: another linebacker, yep. And this guy is so versatile he
• 24:56
  Speaker 2: could play inside. You can line them up as an
• 24:58
  Speaker 2: edge rusher, because the Chiefs did. That's leo. They're free
• 25:02
  Speaker 2: agent signing. Okay, underrated player.
• 25:05
  Speaker 1: Right now before you finish, because you have one pick left. Okay,
• 25:10
  Speaker 1: you can either take a nickel or you might want
• 25:14
  Speaker 1: to give yourself another what defensive Actually, you have two picks.
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: I'm sorry, but you could take another defensive line if
• 25:21
  Speaker 1: you wanted to run the like a base kind of defense.
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: Three four. But up to you. I'm just letting you.
• 25:27
  Speaker 2: Know, with that five man front I could take. Yeah,
• 25:33
  Speaker 2: so you took a joemo in Carter correct, hmmm, he
• 25:41
  Speaker 2: I just this is I don't see him. He's more.
• 25:45
  Speaker 2: He's gonna be more of a situational pass rusher. Yeah.
• 25:50
  Speaker 1: Plus, you're really night now looking at a nickel and
• 25:52
  Speaker 1: an interior defensive lineman.
• 25:56
  Speaker 2: Well, I have I have two d tackles.
• 25:58
  Speaker 1: I'm sorry that you I forgot some mark that down.
• 26:00
  Speaker 2: So you do have to have Davis and Williams. Yeah,
• 26:03
  Speaker 2: I have my two linebackers. I got my two corners, yep,
• 26:06
  Speaker 2: my two safeties.
• 26:07
  Speaker 1: Yeah, so you just have Yeah, you have one pick. Right,
• 26:10
  Speaker 1: it's either a nickel or an off ball linebacker.
• 26:12
  Speaker 2: I guess am I gonna run a forty three front
• 26:18
  Speaker 2: all right.
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: Purposes, let's decide here you have to you're either choosing
• 26:22
  Speaker 1: between someone like Mike Sandristal or met robertson right, or
• 26:25
  Speaker 1: Drew Phillips is pretty good nickel for the Giants, or
• 26:28
  Speaker 1: you're putting a third linebacker who could be DeMar Von
• 26:32
  Speaker 1: Overshown or Tremaine Edmunds.
• 26:34
  Speaker 2: You know, Munds was bad last season. We still can't
• 26:37
  Speaker 2: forget why they paid him like they did. It's ridiculous.
• 26:41
  Speaker 2: All right, last pick, we're gonna turn the cart in.
• 26:48
  Speaker 2: We're gonna go nickel here, and we're gonna Mike Sandristill,
• 26:51
  Speaker 2: who's a better Nickel than he is as a corner. Yep.
• 26:54
  Speaker 2: And we're gonna be now. And we know that Mike
• 26:57
  Speaker 2: Robertson signed a free agent deal.
• 26:59
  Speaker 1: Yep.
• 27:00
  Speaker 2: Uh, he could play. Mick Robertson was the Raiders draft
• 27:03
  Speaker 2: didn't play Nickel. Remember talking to Paul Gunther, their former
• 27:07
  Speaker 2: UH decordinator, about that he was perfect for Nicol. Then
• 27:11
  Speaker 2: Detroit ran out of corners, he had to play outside
• 27:13
  Speaker 2: and he did. Okay, it'll be interesting because the problem
• 27:19
  Speaker 2: with with the Commandos is they really don't have a
• 27:23
  Speaker 2: second quality corner. So because they sign a killer Weatherspoon
• 27:28
  Speaker 2: who is a fourth corners tall guy. Antonio Halilton's a
• 27:30
  Speaker 2: dime corner. He's been a major journeyman, they really don't
• 27:34
  Speaker 2: have another starting corner. But Santrastol will say, hey, you
• 27:38
  Speaker 2: know what, we'll see where he lines up. I took
• 27:41
  Speaker 2: the best player of vaiable Sandra Stuel. He's gotta play
• 27:43
  Speaker 2: better than last years.
• 27:44
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think he will. In that defense, they have
• 27:47
  Speaker 1: a lot more than they did last year.
• 27:49
  Speaker 2: And we'll see, you know, by the way you mentioned
• 27:50
  Speaker 2: earlier Toronte Jones a disciple Ryan Forrez outside the box guy,
• 27:55
  Speaker 2: lind them up. Move him around there you go.
• 27:58
  Speaker 1: All right, all I have left is a s and
• 28:01
  Speaker 1: call me a Homer if you want, but I just over.
• 28:04
  Speaker 1: My choices are mccuba versus Javon Holland and Tyler Nubin.
• 28:09
  Speaker 1: And I'm gonna go with mccuba. I think if he
• 28:11
  Speaker 1: stays healthy, he's in a defense that I know is
• 28:14
  Speaker 1: going to be very, very good, so that tends to
• 28:16
  Speaker 1: make players better, right, So I'm gonna go with mccuba
• 28:20
  Speaker 1: and hope he stays healthy there. All right, So to recap,
• 28:23
  Speaker 1: All right, here's my defense. Okay, it's basically a nickel front.
• 28:27
  Speaker 1: So you got four down linemen, Brian Burns and Jelex
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: Hunt or my edges. My interior guys are Carter and
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: a Jomo. My two off ball linebackers are Ovro Reese
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: and Sunny Styles. I went rookies there, wow. So yeah,
• 28:40
  Speaker 1: that's major boombust right there. My cornerbacks not so great,
• 28:45
  Speaker 1: but we'll say Riequellin and Pulse and the deebo my
• 28:47
  Speaker 1: Nicholas Cooper de Jean. My safeties are Jalen Thompson and
• 28:50
  Speaker 1: Drew mccuba. Well, go to your team now, Yeah, your
• 28:55
  Speaker 1: edges are Jonathan Grenard. And Rashawn Gary. Your interior alignment
• 29:01
  Speaker 1: or Quinn Williams and Jordan Davis. That's a pretty potent
• 29:04
  Speaker 1: right there. Yeah, moving to the middle, your off ball
• 29:08
  Speaker 1: linebackers or Zach baonn and Leo'schanel. Your corners are quinnyon
• 29:13
  Speaker 1: Mitchell and Trey Amos. That's that's pretty if Amos is
• 29:16
  Speaker 1: even what are you supposed to be? That's an excellent
• 29:18
  Speaker 1: cornerback tandem. Uh, And your nickel is Mike Sanderncetill with
• 29:23
  Speaker 1: your safeties Caleb Downs and Nick Cross.
• 29:27
  Speaker 2: What do you think all a team? Man, I'm very
• 29:30
  Speaker 2: worried about my edges. Yeah. In fact, Duill Carter didn't
• 29:34
  Speaker 2: get drafted. I should have drafted Abdul because boy, once,
• 29:37
  Speaker 2: once the light went on for him, you know, he
• 29:40
  Speaker 2: he was kind of lost for like half over half
• 29:42
  Speaker 2: the season and it's something I don't know what happened.
• 29:44
  Speaker 2: I don't know if they talked to during their buy whatever.
• 29:46
  Speaker 2: Right well, when the light went on, his explosion was ridiculous.
• 29:49
  Speaker 2: Cannot wait to see him in you two.
• 29:51
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's where I questioned your guy. I would have
• 29:53
  Speaker 1: just because I like taking in these drafts. I like
• 29:56
  Speaker 1: having fun with it. So I would have either gone
• 29:58
  Speaker 1: yeah problem.
• 30:00
  Speaker 2: Well, honestly, I think it was that fifth ront. I
• 30:02
  Speaker 2: really want to take Jalx Hunt. Yeah, but I needed
• 30:05
  Speaker 2: is that when I took Downs.
• 30:07
  Speaker 1: It is and then I took Hunt right after that.
• 30:09
  Speaker 2: Yeah, right, because I've been on Hunt since he was drafted.
• 30:12
  Speaker 2: You know, we we were on him pretty early. Yeah,
• 30:15
  Speaker 2: you know that you are going to draft him, but
• 30:17
  Speaker 2: we knew about the player. We were pretty high on him, yep.
• 30:19
  Speaker 2: And he's so far ahead of schedule. God, if you haven't,
• 30:22
  Speaker 2: there are people who played fantasy or in dynasty leagues
• 30:26
  Speaker 2: you want Jalx Hunt mm hmm. Because he's just unbelievably gifted.
• 30:31
  Speaker 2: This is another one where the you can't you can't
• 30:35
  Speaker 2: what he's done so far. He couldn't have seen this
• 30:37
  Speaker 2: like last year. He's just scratching the surface. You just
• 30:41
  Speaker 2: got to be a little bit patient. He should take
• 30:44
  Speaker 2: the next step. That training camp battle between him and
• 30:46
  Speaker 2: Smith should be great.
• 30:48
  Speaker 1: Absolutely, In general, I felt like doing offensive defense was
• 30:51
  Speaker 1: easier this year for drafting because in the last few
• 30:56
  Speaker 1: years we would get to like center or cornerback. Yeah,
• 31:00
  Speaker 1: like the one or two would be gone and we'd
• 31:02
  Speaker 1: be like, oh my God, or what do we do
• 31:04
  Speaker 1: at left guard? Now that Dickerson and and uh and
• 31:08
  Speaker 1: you know like Steiner taking or Dickerson and beckted like
• 31:11
  Speaker 1: it would just be so we would sit there and
• 31:13
  Speaker 1: deliberate for five minutes on a on a guard or
• 31:16
  Speaker 1: a center, or a corner or a safety and an
• 31:19
  Speaker 1: even linebacker wasn't.
• 31:20
  Speaker 2: Very crazy think about it. Yeah, Dickerson wasn't even drafted
• 31:24
  Speaker 2: because he was he just and Jurgon's because look at center,
• 31:28
  Speaker 2: it's some personal guys will tell you most of the
• 31:31
  Speaker 2: centers in the National Foota League are average right there.
• 31:35
  Speaker 2: It's very average to below average. Yeah, there are a
• 31:38
  Speaker 2: couple of studs, but that's it. It's just not a position.
• 31:40
  Speaker 2: That's that's why they don't go. That's a why they're
• 31:43
  Speaker 2: not drafted highs because that the tape shows are really
• 31:45
  Speaker 2: not that good. There's every once in a while there's
• 31:47
  Speaker 2: a guy like Kelsey who goes late and he had
• 31:49
  Speaker 2: the medical issue, the pindasitis, but for the draft, but
• 31:56
  Speaker 2: they're just not It's just not a position, man, that
• 31:59
  Speaker 2: you want to take very early. That's just the way
• 32:00
  Speaker 2: it is.
• 32:01
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and look, I'm looking back again at the defense
• 32:03
  Speaker 1: last year how many guys didn't get drafted this year?
• 32:06
  Speaker 1: We got Nolan Smith didn't get drafted. He was drafted
• 32:09
  Speaker 1: last year. Dron Payne did not get drafted this year.
• 32:12
  Speaker 1: Did well, he's not even in the division any but today.
• 32:16
  Speaker 1: But we didn't draft to Hot Campbell right, No one
• 32:18
  Speaker 1: took Campbell.
• 32:19
  Speaker 2: No, he didn't get drafted.
• 32:21
  Speaker 1: Yeah, injury right. Did I take a debot? Yeah, I
• 32:24
  Speaker 1: did take a debot. But Lattimore not drafted, Dron Bland
• 32:28
  Speaker 1: not drafted, so Latimore was cut.
• 32:30
  Speaker 2: He's yeah, right.
• 32:31
  Speaker 1: Of course Javon Holland and Tyler Newbin were either of
• 32:36
  Speaker 1: those guys drafted, They're both Nope. So that's like half
• 32:39
  Speaker 1: the draft last year was not drafted this year.
• 32:41
  Speaker 2: It's interesting. That's the way it goes sometimes.
• 32:44
  Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, it's been fun. This was a really cool.
• 32:46
  Speaker 1: This was like our best NFC each draft offensive defense
• 32:50
  Speaker 1: and in quite some time. And I look forward to
• 32:53
  Speaker 1: looking next year this time looking back and seeing who
• 32:56
  Speaker 1: won again.
• 32:56
  Speaker 2: That's by the way, real quick. I'd love to see
• 32:59
  Speaker 2: the comments. Okay, obviously folks who comment on our our dress,
• 33:02
  Speaker 2: but I love to see I love to see what
• 33:05
  Speaker 2: they would do and and drop the Homer, you drop
• 33:09
  Speaker 2: your Eagles hat. I love to see how folks really
• 33:13
  Speaker 2: really know, the NFL fans who really follow it, how
• 33:16
  Speaker 2: they would draft just forget about the round. Just give
• 33:19
  Speaker 2: me your bet, give me your top eleven for offensive defense.
• 33:22
  Speaker 2: I'd love to see that. Yeah, I'd love to see
• 33:25
  Speaker 2: it because I like to see are they willing to
• 33:27
  Speaker 2: put Sonny styles on their next to bond or you
• 33:29
  Speaker 2: know what, or put over over you know. That's I'm
• 33:31
  Speaker 2: interested to how people think it's funny.
• 33:34
  Speaker 1: You said drop the Homer and I I started wincing
• 33:36
  Speaker 1: because I took six eagles on my eleven man defense.
• 33:39
  Speaker 2: Can you argue against it? That's no.
• 33:40
  Speaker 1: I mean, I feel like maybe maybe Macouba was a
• 33:43
  Speaker 1: little bit of a reach there, but like again, I
• 33:45
  Speaker 1: don't when I'm comparing him to Nuban or Holland and
• 33:49
  Speaker 1: other yeah efeties, I felt like upside in a great defense,
• 33:53
  Speaker 1: he should be should be good. But yeah, good stuff.
• 33:55
  Speaker 2: Man.
• 33:56
  Speaker 1: All right, that's gonna do it for this episode of
• 33:57
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