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BONUS: THSCA 2023 QnA with Shelton Ervin-Summer Creek (TX) HS · The Gill Athletics Track and Field Connections Podcast

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So when we were looking at different people here to present
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this weekend and different ideas, I thought what a great
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idea would be to maybe have some more interactivity and have one
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of our leaders that we have here in this great state of Texas for
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high school track and field and we're going to.
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Do a little bit of a, a Q&A, but Q&A works a lot better when it
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comes from you. So what we're going to do is I
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have about 3 questions that Shelton and I have worked out
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that we're going to talk about up here back and forth.
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And then I'm going to, for the older folks that remember Phil
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Donahue, I'm going to Phil Donahue, this bad boy.
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And I'm going to go around the stage.
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And let me tell you, as you're starting to think about whether
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you should or should not ask a question, please do.
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The only bad question is a question that's not asked.
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There are other people. If you're curious about
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something, someone else in this room right now is also going to
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be curious about that. And that's how we bring value to
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each other. So without further ado, help me
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welcome the USTFCCCA National High School Boys Coach of the
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Year state titles. I mean, if you don't know who
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Shelton Irvin is, great. I'm glad you're here because
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you're going to learn a lot more about him today.
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Help me welcome. Oh, and his best thing for his
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biography is? He's been on the Gill Athletics
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Connections podcast, so if you want to know his whole journey,
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and it was amazing by the way, check it out.
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Help me welcome the wives, the wonderful Mr. Shelton Urban
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Shelton, thanks for being brave enough to trust me to be up here
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to pepper you with questions and then the the unknown questions.
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Not a problem. Anytime I get an opportunity to
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talk to my peers and advocate for the sport, sport that I want
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to continue to progress and grow as a whole, I think it's a
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beautiful thing. Also, man, love it.
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We were talking about different topics that would maybe
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helpfully bring value to all of you out there.
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And one of the things that I think is interesting that's
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happening this year is I believe the state meet is moving.
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And we've already had a lot of sessions where we talked about
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starting from the end working backwards.
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And so if that state meets moving, that's probably going to
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change some things. When you start talking about
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other things that your student athletes are involved in.
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Shelton, as you look at some of who obviously has the state meet
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circled on your calendar and working backwards, how does
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changing that state meet from what?
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And you tell us tell me if it's up or back, what's that going to
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do for training, what's that going to do for regionals,
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districts, etcetera? Yeah, that shift is going to be
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crazy, right? We're our coaches of habits.
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Any adjustment that we have to make is going to throw us off
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just a little bit. But I can tell you that as an
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individual who has one individual titles out of lane,
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one sort of like client forests have done, you can control what
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you can control and obviously the way that the coach go about
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it, the kids would go about it. So if you make it a big issue,
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the kids are making the big issues and things of that nature
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that will be affected most importantly.
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The communication is going to be that state meet is moving up a
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week, so it's no longer the second week may, right?
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That means the original meet is moving up a week, the area meet
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is moving up a week, the district meet is moving up the
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week. And the reason why this is the
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topic that I wanted to discuss is because if you guys are
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anything like me, you have prom and you have other activities
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that you got to be aware of and this is the conversation that
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you need to go back and have with your campus.
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Are they going to be able to move from this year in advance
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or this far out? Maybe they can, maybe they
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can't. But I can tell you if you're
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prepared for it, you can prepare your athletes for any obstacle
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that you might have on that weekend with the adjustments
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right? I've been in the region, in
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region 2IN Waco where we've had prom on the same weekend in Waco
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and the kids had to get back to Houston.
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And of course I was a male and a female coach at one point.
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More than likely the the ladies are going to choose prom over
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the state meet in some occasions and guys are faced with the
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opportunities. I had some D1 football players
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who wasn't going to run track and field at the next level and
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they chose to go to prom and not miss it.
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Versus running in the regional finals for Day 2.
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Luckily it has some alternates we didn't do as well in the
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finals as we could have did if we had those football guys.
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But this conversation is to make sure that you go back to your
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campus, look and see when the testing is following, when
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senior Skip day is following, when those activities and those
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prom activities and things of that nature is doing.
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That way you can be properly prepared for that championship
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season that you're going to be going through.
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So I'm hearing less training changes and more logistics.
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Yeah, that's the backside of it, right?
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You still got the front side of it, which is indoor season and
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which is going to be scratched into it, right.
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So indoor season is not going to change for the individuals that
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do one or two or three meets indoors, but it's moving up on
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the back end. So having a conversation, you
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know whether you want them to run one or two less indoor
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meets, whether you want to cut the volumes and the amount of
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events that they do indoor to keep them fresher.
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Here's the other thing that's going to be affected as Texas
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Relays, right? Texas Relays weekend is not
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going to change. You still have the big
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invitationals that most of us compete in, whether it's in the
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Dallas area and the Jesuits and the big Dallas meets that we
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have. All these things are on the
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table, the big invitations that should continue or begin to
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plan, our schedule that needs to be evaluated and needs to be
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looked at. I can tell you that in a Houston
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area, we do about 3 big invitations where there's TSU
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Relays, the Big Rice Invitationals, the Texas
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Invitationals, the the Texas Relays Invitationals.
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But I can tell you that Texas Relays is going to be extremely
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tough for the high school divisions.
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A lot of the OG coaches, I know they're not doing heavy volume
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at Texas Relays. They're going at their one or
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two events. But you're going to back door
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with that Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday of district
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prelims and finals, and you're going to run up against the
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obstacle. And you're going to be faced
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with the decision whether you want to risk it or whether
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you're going to look at the big picture and get ready for the
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first week of May, which is the state championship new date.
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I think the most important thing I heard you say there was take
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care. Take control of what you can
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control. There's things that are out of
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your hands and so we you can't change the date it's been
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changed. So act accordingly and start
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planning now. Don't get surprised when
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districts and regionals come around.
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Yeah. The good question that I'm
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getting, what does this look like for the future, like for
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next year, right, and which is 2024 and then 2025.
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So we don't know what 25 and 26 is going to hold if that date is
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going to move back to the second week.
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But I can tell you that our big focus is on 2024, making sure
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those athletes have the best position to be successful and we
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continue to do what we do at State Meet as a whole when it
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comes to this work. Awesome.
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You mentioned some with Proms and football players that maybe
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weren't running the next level. Let's turn our attention to
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recruiting, recruiting. You know, hopefully everyone
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here is a high school coach. You're working hard not
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necessarily to get your kids recruited into the next level,
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but getting your kids to the next level to go to school,
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right, whether it's a junior college program, any I a NCAA
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program. One of the things that has
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changed, it's been a few years now, but we're certainly maybe
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seeing more of the effect today than we did yesterday is the
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transfer. Portal How is that change the
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game for high school coaches and high school athletes being
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recruited to the next level? It's a game changer, right?
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It's a deaf sentence for some. There's a lot of people that's
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still in the portal having those conversations with the athletes.
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I think ultimately I come from Westbury High School in the
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foundation that we have was using our athletic scholarship
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as an opportunity to get an education and get a degree.
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We got to go back to that at some point where these athletes
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that want to run at the Olympics that that want to make make it
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to this high level and and reemphasize getting an education
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and getting a degree out of this whole equation, right?
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So if you can stay at this institution instead of getting
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in the portal, getting lost, that's huge, right?
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I can tell you every SEC and every Power 5 coach that I talk
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to when it comes to a high school prospect and going into
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the portal. They're going into the portal a
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lot more so I can get into the dynamics of it and the college
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coaches have incentives as far as how they do at championships.
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They get paid whether they finish in the top block and
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conference or top block at nationals and of course that's
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how they feed their families. So they're not in the the the
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equation of two or three-year projects out of high school
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athletes. I can tell you we've all coached
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elite athletes at the high school level at some point, and
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even them are having a hard time securing top aid, athletic aid
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and having a hard time adjusting for the first year.
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It used to be a time where the college coach would.
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Get them prepared in two years. But a lot of college coaches
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want to run 256, runner 2/23/23, or run these times and a lot
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sooner. So it's they want you to run
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fast now. They're not waiting for you to
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develop and contribute later. So earlier we talked about
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controlling the controllables and something that we as high
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school coaches can't control is how the college coach is going
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to recruit, what offer they're going to make, etcetera, right.
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So what are some of the things that we can do as high school
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coaches to prepare our athletes and our athletes, parents in
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regards to the recruiting process?
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We have to get rid of this D1 bust mentality, right?
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I mean, obviously it is keep. It sounds good.
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We're in the social media age where everybody's blasting
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things out, their commitments, their top.
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Things of that nature. I've had athletes that sit on
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offers and think that they're like Pokémon collecting things.
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We're not going to disappear and they're going to stay there.
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But as coaching Staffs changes, new coaches come in and those
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offers are still not good. Having those conversations, it's
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it's a tough situation and of course as coaches, our job is to
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get them in position to be reputable.
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I don't think many of us do anything as far as the decision
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making when it comes to what school they go to, but that
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transport portal is a game changer.
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I talk talk to a coach in the SEC that's cutting a 23 two
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young lady because 23 two does not score in the SEC.
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It takes a 22, seven to now make the finals in the SEC
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championships. And contribute and that only
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qualify for natural stuff. So if you're running 23, two out
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of high school, what do you what's your shot there?
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They're cutting them already. Yeah, that, that that wakes it
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up. That's why you need to open up
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your mind frame to division twos, division threes, Obviously
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having the kids emphasize taking care of business academically.
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That way they can get academic aid.
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It's changed the games when it comes to the big power fives,
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you got to be elite. And you got to be making some of
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those US under 20 teams and competing at a high level in
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order to get these offers. Now, I'm a former college coach
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myself and a lot of time and I coached high school as well.
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A lot of times we talked about you'll hear this quite often, as
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well as pick the school that even if the coach left, you
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would stay there and I see a lot of heads nodding, however.
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We see this quite often in the transfer Porter will where a
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coach will go on and guess what their jobs, right.
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So they're they're going to move on to wherever they think is
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better for them financially and their family.
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So how do we, what role can we as high school coaches play
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again during the advisement right Their parents are coming
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to you, the kids coming to you asking you for advice and your
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your experience. How can we help them.
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I'll say pick a school as far as like you know what schools your
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major location cost. Etcetera.
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Not just the this coaches here or this school plays on Saturday
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nights. You know, the football of
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picking schools. And at the Umbilizing in Summer
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Creek High School, we have one twice a year.
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We have the clearing house or the NCAA come out and talk in
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the district in May. We use that as an opportunity to
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also elaborate on kids creating toolbox, right and as you put
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new tools in your box. When it comes to recruiting,
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what questions you ask and then things that that's going to help
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you make your decision. That's by the way and having
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those meetings on your campuses which are coordinators and with
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your department overture sport is extremely important to help
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prepare the parent and prefer that young man or young woman
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even as a freshman sophomore and by the time they get to senior
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year been able to have all the pieces to make a decision all.
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Right. So last question on recruiting,
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because I know there's probably another hundred when we get to
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roaming around here. How do you talk about D1 or Bus?
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And you're right, I love it. It's cute.
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It's easy to say and all that kind of stuff.
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How do you balance the believing in yourself attitude, which is
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extremely important, versus yeah, you know you're 23, two
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and you're like, well, I should only go to an SEC school and
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it's like, well, maybe you're better suited for a major.
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D2 I mean, gosh, go look at championships for division two
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and Division Three. There's no joke themselves.
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So how do you balance this D1 or bust versus also believing in
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yourself mentality that I know you have as a as a coach?
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And it's a movement, right? We see that's happening in
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football and basketball where elite athletes are highly
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ranked. Athletes are going to HBC us and
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they're going to smaller universities just to get a
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better experience than to not be.
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What is it? A big fish and a big pond or
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just have that mentality, but just having that conversation
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and then preparing those athletes.
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I'm a I'm a big toolbox guy, making sure that they have the
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tools and the access to use those tools when it comes to
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making that decision, that parent, that support system in
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that athlete. That's awesome.
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I love it. With the amount of student loans
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and student loan debt, school ain't getting cheaper.
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I love coaches like you and coaches out here that are, you
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know, helping us see the big picture.
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You know, 99.9% of our kids are never going to go pro in our
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sport. So why don't we use it to our
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advantage to help pay for our education, which we will use for
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10/20/30 Forty. 50 years out there, so I appreciate.
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That, and this is the last thing on the topic.
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I spoke to a Power 5 coach and they said we're in the business
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of getting the athlete for the least amount of money possible.
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We're not in the business of giving giving money away, so
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we're not giving you money. We're trying to get you for at
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least as possible, whether it's tuitions.
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And then a couple $1000 or now they have NIL money that they
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can give you type situations, but obviously the the more they
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can spread, spread that out. And even Florida who's going
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into the portal and coach Holloway has done a great job of
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reloading and not rebuilding when it comes to that.
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He's not giving out 100%, he's giving out 85%, using that other
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15% to combine together in order to get another athlete.
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But they're making it up on the NIL side of things.
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Most important word you said there.
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Business is a business. They have a budget.
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That's exactly right. Well, let's move over to another
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part of business. When we had you on the podcast
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and again, I'd highly recommend if you want to learn his entire
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journey of how he got into coaching mentors along the way.
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I'm just so thankful you did join us on the podcast.
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It was a really good time and great to hear your whole story.
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There. We talked about some of the
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other leadership positions that you hold and TTFCA and some
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other things can you talk about. Things like TF, Here we are at
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the TFIGS, there's a CCAT. There's other places for us as
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coaches. We're extremely intelligent,
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hard working people that maybe hopefully care for our sport
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because we care for our athletes.
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What are some other leadership roles?
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What are some of your experiences?
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And maybe encourage some of us to maybe take a leap of faith
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and and help out and and volunteer at these positions?
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I consider track and field in cross country coaches some of
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the the brightest minds. We have to do a lot more with a
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lot less and we have to be so creative in the in the things
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and the task that we have to do. I can tell you, me and my peers,
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whether it's June or whether it's lean land, whether it's
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coach Kenny Harrison that's at Summer Creek High School, we
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didn't become better coaches until we start serving our
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associations. So not only being a part of
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associations, but I like to challenge everybody to be
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involved with the associations, whether it's getting on
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membership boards, being part of committees.
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And being part of the decisions when it's outset and done so a
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lot of those associations is going to go back to like UIL or
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the the executive committee to help make decisions.
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But in those leadership roles and when you serving your
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community or when you serving it, it changes your mind frame
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and it helps you with that evolution type situation.
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So to serve the track and field community, to serve the cross
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country community is a beautiful thing and it obviously helps you
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elevate do. You have an example of something
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that you were involved in that. Change for the good here in
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Texas high school track and field.
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Yeah, recently, right. Joseph Gorman, who's the
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assistant associate athletic director called me at the state
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meet because we were getting ready to have this intimate
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weather and they just saying that Shelton, I think we're
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going to have to go to a rolling schedule type situation.
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So if I wasn't involved with the association, I would have never
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got a heads up six hours before we made that decision to have a
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rolling schedule. At the six a state week and that
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ultimately allowed us to have a conversation with the executives
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with the the people that's sitting at the table that
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ultimately made the decisions to make a rolling schedule this
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past year due to the increment weather that we had.
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And whether you feel X way or that way about the decision that
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was made it ultimately I've been that individual that competed
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before by 4 at 12:30 at night due to a a running delay and
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it's it's it's not a beautiful thing and.
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And didn't happen to drop that late.
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So the decision made, I can tell you we've been a part of the
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committee me collaborating allow me to be in the loop and help
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advocate for the the the coaches that's here so.
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To another great words there, collaborate and advocate.
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Because I was going to ask you because I know you have been, I
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don't want to serious misspoke, speak and say leading the
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charge, but part of the conversation and representing.
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The coaches that you represent to the UIL regarding things like
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adding the four by eight, adding the javelin, things like that,
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can you talk about just what those mean and what your role is
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on those? Yeah, right.
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A lot of decisions that we need to make to continue the
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progress. Our sport has to be made
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collaboratively. All the association has got to
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be on the same page. We all got to have an interest
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in it and for individuals who don't have an interest in it and
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then some don't. It doesn't work like that.
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We all got to be on the same page.
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So just because you don't have a 300 hurdler and you don't want
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to make it in two 400 hurdles and you say you don't have a dog
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in a fight and you don't want to vote on it, that's a division
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that's not making it strong as far as numbers, even when it
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comes to the cross country decisions makes distance coaches
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have to be advocating for the Sprint side and some of the
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decisions that we like to make but scoring 8 places including
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the Japlin which is the Olympic event.
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There's been conversations about adding additional relay for the
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distance out of things. In order to make that happen,
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everybody have to have a decision and going back to your
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your principals or your athletic directors in order to advocate
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and let them know which side of the coin you own.
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As far as getting those things passed, I did a research.
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The last thing that we had passed and added was this the
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wheelchair division that we now have in UIL, we added the pole
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vault in 2002. And then obviously that allowed
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us to add the 2000 and O2 and then that allowed us to add the
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full by two. But we've got to continue to
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progress the sport. There's some things that we need
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to do as a whole, whether you can say prelims and finals or
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whether you can say adding simple trays, all these things.
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We have to be on the same page collectively as an association,
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as and as members in order to get past and be able to have a
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voice and go back to the UIO and get done.
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OK, it's time for me to start roaming while I get up though.
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Help us understand where are some opportunities?
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If someone says I want to get involved, I don't want to get
20:56
involved right at the beginning at the top.
20:57
What are some ways that people can maybe tiptoe into some of
21:00
these different volunteer in association positions?
21:03
Become a member. Not only you should be a member
21:05
of the Texas High School Coaches Association, but everyone in
21:08
here should be a member of TTFCA, which is the biggest
21:11
track and field association in the state of Texas.
21:14
And ultimately you'll come back to me, the president.
21:17
My vice President is June Dillers.
21:19
We'll have a conversation with our board and our committee and
21:22
we'll advocate some of the things that you guys would like
21:24
to get past and some of the changes you'll like to see.
21:29
It's going to be interesting. We just saw National High School
21:31
Federation just came out with the new things and multiple
21:34
events. I don't want to see kids do six
21:36
events on the track or anything like that.
21:38
But a lot of these things that we can advocate for you you join
21:41
these boards, these organizations in order to get.
21:44
Some movement happening all. Right now, we're done with the
21:48
scripted questions. Now we have no idea what's going
21:50
to happen. Can I get us?
21:51
30 minutes, Coach, I hope you're ready.
21:53
I told him I allowed him. It was very hard to get him to
21:56
sit down for 22 minutes. I'm proud of you.
21:58
Have a great job. I've expected you to get up and
22:00
start roaming here. And we're going to start with
22:02
our first question right here with Coach Cruz.
22:06
Coach Cruz was in. Hospital Break the Listen to
22:09
your talks in the past couple years.
22:12
We started having some great success last year as we
22:14
rebuilded our boys program and our grave program, but our
22:17
biggest issue last year was having multi sport athletes.
22:20
We had guys and girls that played softball, they played
22:24
baseball but they also did club sports.
22:27
How one of the hardest things for us was actually building
22:31
their actual workout schedule to be able to accommodate all of
22:34
the sports. What's the best advice here?
22:37
The models you already use is already in place at the small
22:39
school. The small divisions, the 3-4
22:41
eights and six, four eights are already doing it right for the
22:45
five days and six days. We take that and tweak it in
22:47
order to make that format and work it.
22:52
It all boils down to invent a culture at on your campus, and
22:55
that comes from the campus coordinator where it's your
22:57
football culture, where it's your secondary campus
22:59
coordinator on how that philosophy is and what's the
23:02
expectation is. When it comes to that, from our
23:05
bottom, from our top down is the expectation that we do whatever
23:09
possible to make sure that athletes work out.
23:12
We have a soccer player who's a stud.
23:14
So Hunter Spencer who's like scoring 5-6 goes she's a soccer
23:19
slash track and field athlete and the situation is she
23:21
practiced several days a week or she'll practice during the
23:24
athletic period and then after the athletic period she'll go to
23:27
soccer type situation but getting the both coaches.
23:31
And not going to the athlete, both coaches and and the parents
23:35
together and coming up with a schedule that works for both of
23:37
them. I've had baseball athletes.
23:39
Baseball has some speed in baseball that's untapped that we
23:42
don't know about. And and I've had a baseball guy
23:46
come out and contribute and run fast.
23:48
And of course he's running like this because this is how you run
23:51
that on first base, right? Baseball players, they're not
23:53
doing track for him. But still making it work and
23:55
making what's best for the athletes is is the ultimate goal
23:58
campus coordinator in the culture.
24:00
Now we got another coach from the same school, Seguin, so
24:02
don't let Seguin. Just don't run this thing.
24:05
Help me out and raise your hand and I'll come to you while
24:07
they're answering the question. Here we have coach Palmaris.
24:09
From Seguin High School. Hello Coach Eric Brett, Palmar
24:21
Seguin High School. Again, thank you for your time.
24:25
I've not admire your code that few years even though I just sat
24:29
there. At least from what I've seen in
24:31
my 365 days of coaching, there's also like this, this.
24:36
Varsity or bust? Mentality.
24:38
So my question is how do you go about encouraging your your
24:41
sophomores, your junior on JV to continue to develop so that the
24:45
next year or their senior whatever they're called to
24:49
contribute to the team. What do you do whether it's
24:51
workout wise, motivation, wise, coach, wise, personal,
24:54
personalized, what do you do to kind of keep those kids coming
24:57
back and. Passing the way they should be
24:59
passing and continuing to. Compete A lot of questions,
25:02
right? I can tell you how how it works
25:10
on our campus. The expectation hasn't changed
25:13
when it comes to the coaching staff.
25:15
So it it goes, it starts there. You you have to create a system
25:21
where those athletes going to be successful and where they can be
25:24
thriving and develop. What was what are your other
25:29
part of the questions the big six day programs have?
25:40
The next man or next woman of mentality right?
25:43
You're not held hostage by elite athlete or you're not held
25:47
hostage by a talented athlete giving everybody and developing
25:51
everybody. I know coaches that only coach
25:53
varsity athletes and don't coach sub varsity athletes.
25:56
I can tell you in the big programs.
25:58
We work with our athletes where this are ones that's trying to
26:01
walk and chew gum at the same time and bringing them along
26:04
versus our elite athletes type situation.
26:07
So setting up a system where everybody's developed, having
26:10
that next man up mentality, having the assessments and then
26:14
in place we do a pentacle on testing twice a year that also
26:18
measures and create data that helps us contribute and help us.
26:23
If the weight group program is working, apply mentions of
26:25
whether the athlete is getting bigger, faster and stronger.
26:31
It's it's just creating a system is is the ultimate goal for you
26:35
all. Right, Coach.
26:36
Break it up here up front to Coach Day.
26:42
How you doing coach? How much day?
26:43
Come on now speak a word. First of all.
26:46
You gonna go? Let's start with that.
26:49
Yeah, Y'all give him a hand. Yes I can.
26:54
So the question that I have for you has been on a different side
26:57
of things now for me, coming out of coaching and kind of going as
27:00
admin, what do you guys heard? You use the word systems, which
27:04
I think is huge, but what do you do, What systems do you create
27:07
to help your coaches who are not wake up, roll out the bed, eat,
27:12
drink, breathe, track and field? But our second support coach,
27:15
what systems do you put in place for those coaches to be
27:18
successful with adding value to your program?
27:23
That's a great question. Basketball.
27:25
That's a great question. I talked to Coach Roper and I
27:26
talked to a couple of people about it.
27:28
We created a system, We created a program, and it's the cultural
27:30
ultimate on my campus that you can plug someone in that's never
27:33
coached, ever met before, have them elevate to our level that
27:38
we're operating at as a program. I had a distance coach this year
27:41
who coached distance for the first time ever and took a guy
27:44
from 146 to one 9193 in the distance.
27:50
And you would have never known that.
27:51
He's never coached the district before prior to this year.
27:56
But he coached this guy to a civil medal and then state meet.
27:59
We wasn't worried about plugging him in and catching up.
28:02
He has an extremely hard working ethic ethic.
28:04
He wants to ultimately contribute and win a ring for
28:08
for our organization, but it's ultimately coaching schools.
28:12
We was at coaching school in in January, so I fed him the
28:15
resources that he needs. So I gave him every tool.
28:18
By giving them every tool that they may need to help contribute
28:21
like the indoor portal, portal, circle type situation.
28:24
That way we can continue to throw indoors the indoor shots
28:28
or even what is the the throw balls, the weighted balls that
28:33
we used to throw in that since I think every tool that he needed,
28:36
I made sure that he had as a resource to help him develop
28:39
instead of this, hey this is what you have maybe work develop
28:42
this app and so giving them that how many head coaches are in
28:47
here? I love it.
28:50
I make it an emphasis to finish up practice about 10 or 15
28:52
minutes early and walk around and see my Filipent area.
28:55
So a lot of things are not a shock because I go over there
28:58
and watch the throwers finishing up their reps.
29:01
I would go over there and see the pole vaults getting in the
29:03
air and of course they want to continue to get up in the air.
29:05
You got to shut down practice with them.
29:07
But wrapping up and have your assistant coaches do the cool
29:10
down or the abs or the last part of the circuit and getting
29:13
around to see those other areas and support them so when they do
29:16
add the need. And they like coach.
29:18
I took them one night and like I'm not shocked that's how you
29:20
in practice, you just sling that thing type of situation.
29:23
But having that creating that system and getting them to go
29:26
around and support those athletes and they just shrunk
29:29
the huge. If they multiple sport athletes
29:32
having that that volleyball coach or that baseball coach or
29:35
that football coach come out and support them.
29:37
They're not doing it for me. They're doing it to impress that
29:39
football coach because that guy is a defensive lineman that's
29:42
already recruited and he's, he knows this is helping them in
29:46
the off season. That situation.
29:50
Every one of our speakers this weekend, their number one goal
29:52
is to bring you value. And certainly I know that's
29:55
Coach Irving's goal here today. So if you think of these
29:57
questions and just give me a wave as we as I move along with
30:01
the question, we'll come right to you.
30:02
We got one right here, Coach. Hey.
30:05
Coach, are you? Hey, Coach.
30:07
So I'm Coach Christopher from Claire Spirits High School head,
30:10
cross country, track and field coach.
30:12
And my question for you is, how do you go about teaching mental
30:15
tenacity and fortitude as a coach?
30:19
Sometimes you just want your athlete to be like you and just
30:21
like go out there and do it. And then some of them are a
30:23
little bit more timid in their mindset.
30:25
So just give them to that place where they're able to block out
30:27
external factors and you know. Just push the limits.
30:31
Coach Christopher was a distance coach for us at Summer Creek
30:34
High School that recently got their head job and I remember
30:38
coming to me and say I need you to Coach Powell.
30:43
She's coached several district champions sits in and several
30:46
kids that to the regionals finals.
30:49
She took it over. She went to the resources, she
30:51
she did the educations and things of that nature.
30:53
So one of the things I've talked to Mike about is by putting
30:56
herself in the box, you're not just a distance coach, you're
30:59
not just a Sprint coach, you're a track and field coach, field
31:02
and track coach, right. So you don't put yourself in the
31:05
box that you can't learn things. We're we're pretty brilliant.
31:07
We can pick up things. We can put things together and
31:10
we can obviously have success on it.
31:13
I can tell you when it comes to the 5A and 6A programs, I can
31:16
speak on, you can win with good kids, but you need some kids
31:21
with some dog in them if you want to take it and then be.
31:24
But am I am I lying? So I had that point and I I
31:28
called it going from good to great, which is a book that I
31:30
read. We had a lot of good kids.
31:33
They were good kids. But I'm like, man, we got to get
31:35
over this hump. You need great kids.
31:37
So put him in in in positions of adversity creating those
31:42
simulated adversity simulations and I'm huge on simulations and
31:47
and stress creating control stress situations in order to
31:52
create the dog and fire them. So one of the most, one of one
31:58
of the most productive tools that you can do when it comes to
32:00
that is the 45 and 52nd runs and tell them I want you to go to
32:05
the point where you locked up. Go, just go and having them not
32:10
be scared of. I'm I'm saving, right?
32:14
Ramon Smith said. The only thing that goes good
32:16
with French fries, the only thing that goes good with
32:18
ketchup, is French fries. So you can't jog out.
32:21
You can't play around at the beginning.
32:23
You can't float the back stretch and think that you're going to
32:26
roll and catch somebody. You got to go and you can't be
32:29
scared to lock up and figuring out how to stay open and stay
32:33
pumping. When you locked up is is is a
32:36
skill set that has to be simulated, right?
32:39
You can't, you can't do it if it's not simulated.
32:42
Otherwise the only opportunity to get simulated is in races
32:45
which is once a week or blah blah blah.
32:47
So I do a great job of simulations in order to get to
32:50
that lock up that body lock and and of course as a advance from
32:54
let's say a 35 second run in our season to 52nd runs in in the
32:57
end seasons or even Darius ringing that did five hundreds
33:01
and coming through. The 49 type situation, you got
33:04
to simulate that in practice in order to create that tenacity in
33:07
that dog, even two 50s at the University of Houston, we need
33:11
two out loud, two hundreds with a rolling start, a 5 meter, 5
33:16
meter rolling start. Would you just hit it?
33:18
And then obviously 10 to 15 minutes rest type situation
33:22
didn't hit another fast 200. But all that simulation and all
33:25
that things should be in a controlled environment just like
33:28
it would with a polo, right? I can put the the standard of
33:31
the 18 feet and say I need your your feet to to knock off the
33:34
bar. That's also me teaching them hip
33:36
hype type situation. I'm I'm creating a simulated
33:39
environment in order to get that that stressor out and get that
33:42
that scared and then try to create that tenacity in that dog
33:46
that you might need in half and so let's.
33:50
See right here with Coach Wilson.
33:53
How you doing, coach? Coach Tracy Wilson.
33:55
I'm a little bit Marshall girls program.
33:58
I wanted to ask you a question. What first.
34:01
What I most admire about you is your throwing program, both boys
34:04
and girls. And what I wanted to know was
34:09
what I want to know is how do you?
34:12
I don't get my girls until about sophomore junior years because
34:17
we're smaller school, but it's volleyball, Everything is
34:20
important. And then I'll just come on out,
34:22
come throw with me, and I have two or three years to get my my
34:25
girls ready. To start throwing.
34:27
But by that time you know you got to be throwing 140 or what,
34:31
Not by that time, but on your boys side, I don't get them
34:34
until they're already. I don't think I'm going to make
34:38
it in football. I got to do something else.
34:40
How do you maintain that consistency throughout the years
34:45
and how do you develop those kids to the point of more
34:48
success as you have done so far? When you have guys throwing, as
34:52
far as we do in practice and the training, is, is, is.
34:55
Sorry coach. What he had like 1620 guys over
34:59
there at the Disk type situation.
35:00
So it's a numbers game when it comes to the 6A level.
35:03
So we have huge numbers and our football coach does a great job
35:06
of pushing our throwers out. And the same thing when it comes
35:09
to that that girls coaching, creating that relationship with
35:11
the volleyball players or the basketball players prior to that
35:15
season in order to get the income out type situation.
35:18
But whether it's the strip program we do, I call it, we do
35:22
a lot of teaching. Right.
35:24
We do more teaching than we do the coaching.
35:25
So I think Coach Rios probably don't get the coaching to maybe
35:29
that that last part of the area, regional district.
35:32
Everything else we doing teaching, we doing fundamentals,
35:34
we doing drills, we doing plyometrics.
35:37
We don't have to develop the total athlete type situation,
35:40
but we make it fun for them also.
35:44
It's not stressful. We kind of go over, we have
35:47
great relationships with that kids and I think.
35:50
When I had Coach Rodriguez, Stroll Rodriguez, he used to
35:52
bring in peanut butter and Jelly sandwiches.
35:54
Coach Thomas feeds them McDonald's.
35:58
So it's creating that relationship with those
35:59
throwers, those those individuals who I consider some
36:02
of the hardest working individuals in the track and
36:06
field program, those throwers. What they do is pretty amazing
36:10
and obviously there's a lot of stress on the bottom and
36:12
explication when you're doing 2 throwing events.
36:14
They their work ethic is this. If you ever get to finish up
36:17
your practice and go around and see them throw it and work in a
36:20
real throwing system, it's a beautiful sight to see them get
36:24
after that type situation. What is your young ones all the
36:26
way to this year? Advanced athletes you're.
36:29
Probably not going to know this next person for a question, but
36:32
I'll introduce to you after OK. Track coach, Cross country coach
36:40
at Westbury High School. How many years have you been
36:42
coaching? 40 or 90 years.
36:57
He would say that he has Gray hair on his toes, ordered.
37:00
And some of us. My question is, due to the fact
37:07
that a lot of you guys have things that we don't have, I
37:11
have no pole vault place to put practice pole vault.
37:14
I got 2 jump hits, have hurdles, but I have three coaches.
37:20
So and under this estimation, what would you think to do if
37:24
that's all you had to work with and how would you divide the
37:27
time to create everything so that you got a good balance of
37:30
cost to that spectrum? That's what we do.
37:33
So you understand what I'm talking about, you know where
37:35
I'm. Coming I absolutely do.
37:37
As HISD products, I definitely do.
37:38
That's my high school coach Andrew Blake.
37:40
So. He's coached the the the last
37:48
two guys that win the 6A title climb course in some Greek high
37:52
school is came from the coach of blanks coaching tree.
37:55
I can tell you when it comes to developing out league if you're
37:58
going to consider yourself and not develop full events in this
38:01
day and age whether it's on the girls side and so forth was
38:04
killing it and and not just on the track.
38:06
A lot of people's noticed their fast times but they had full
38:08
inventors throwers and jumpers also developing that total
38:12
program is is a must. Here's what I I tell people
38:17
Marshall, Summer Creek High School, Manville, The Woodlands
38:19
don't care that you don't have the resources.
38:22
They don't care about the excuses that you that you might
38:24
come up with. You got to figure out a way to
38:26
get it done, whether it's providing a middle school or
38:30
going to another track or or figuring out a system.
38:34
That way you can develop that athletes at the end of the day
38:36
the athlete needs to get that training and if you're going to
38:39
meet with the the big schools in in this state.
38:42
You got to figure out a way to get it done When it comes to
38:45
developing a lot of those other fill events, staggering
38:48
practice, obviously it means a little bit more.
38:51
I consider myself unique because I coach everything on the track.
38:53
Besides the 110 hurdles. A lot of people say you're
38:56
crazy, right? So I coach from the four by the
38:58
one, the 3200 at the beginning all the way through the four by
39:00
4:00. But it's I figure out the
39:02
system, how to get it done. I'm coaching the whole time.
39:06
One of my my twin brothers. Does the hurdles and then sit
39:09
back and watch me stress at the two hurdle events.
39:14
But figuring out the system and getting done and at at some
39:16
point delegating it and and moving it on to something.
39:19
So it's a way to figure it out. There's always a way to get it
39:23
done and then figure it out. We got a parking lot proof in
39:26
the task to see that it does a great job of figuring things out
39:28
too using different tools and resources.
39:30
We're. Going to go right up here in
39:33
front. Hey everybody, my name is Coach
39:35
Jackson. I'm a head track coach at.
39:37
Hempstead 3 days small, but we did.
39:41
I'm a young coach and I just wanted to know what are some key
39:44
things that you really felt like majors program, successful
39:47
things that you are like this. What you need to have in your
39:50
program for it to be great mentors.
39:54
You got to have mentors. I call them OG's.
39:56
OG's that I can call and bump us.
39:59
I say, hey Ramon, tell me I'm not crazy.
40:01
This kid, this kid want to do XY&Z.
40:04
Tell me what you did just to make sure.
40:05
So creating that network of OG's or individuals that you can
40:08
contact and you can bounce things off of obviously
40:12
continuing your coaching education.
40:14
One of the great books that I read was from Good to great.
40:19
What is it, Steve? Steve Magnus has a great book
40:22
also that's out. And then obviously Carl Lewis
40:24
that signed to speed. As another great book out.
40:27
But creating that network, that network when it comes to
40:31
coaching and then developing yourself, creating that that
40:34
culture inside your campus which you can control.
40:37
And then ultimately any young coach out here that doesn't have
40:40
a master's degree, I'll embark you to get that master's degree.
40:45
That leadership quality and that administration experience that
40:48
you get helps you as a coach also.
40:51
And not just if you want to go into that, but when I receive my
40:54
master's. I took all those leadership
40:57
classes I get out of those simulations and those
40:59
assignments and those projects and it also help you involved
41:01
and get a better perspective to be in the lead so you can get a
41:06
masters and then gain some of that leadership quality and gain
41:08
some of that experience that allow you to deal with a lot,
41:11
right. Have a psychology degree too.
41:14
So I think it should be mandatory that we all have
41:16
psychology degrees and we're dealing with some stuff these
41:19
days. So I use my psychology degree
41:22
more than any degree. Nowadays.
41:25
It's mandatory that you are in psychology.
41:27
You should be a psychologist. You coach down there, so.
41:30
Let's stay right up here in front of the coach, full listen.
41:34
Coach Allison here from Colorado City, TX.
41:36
Too late, Coach, How do you deal with the seven on seven and a
41:40
basketball? Kids, I feel like we lose a lot
41:45
of our kids to football. Seven on seven and a basketball.
41:51
I've seen a lot of the Fort Bend schools, I've seen a lot of the
41:54
schools in general and my luckily I'm in a position where
41:57
my my my program at the 6A level, we don't deal with it as
42:00
much. The kids will choose track and
42:01
field, but a lot of them have moved to Fridays and Thursday
42:04
meets in order to avoid the conflict for that Thursday.
42:07
I don't tell a kid that can't go to an A U event take situation
42:11
unless it's a championship season.
42:12
We had a a guy that came out out of basketball first year every
42:16
doing track and field and then he was still in a U and club.
42:19
Things of that nature and he ended up jumping 22 feet in the
42:22
six four and in the in the high jump type situation and never
42:25
wants to tell him to stop playing basketball or anything
42:28
like that. So control what you control when
42:31
you have that kid develop that kid make sure he's getting his
42:34
preventative treatment in order to make sure that he or she is
42:37
fresh We're being on preventative treatment and and
42:40
and whether it's the thorough or thorough or whether it's a
42:43
massage and Ramon put us on the the normal text.
42:48
To flush out the lens and things of that nature.
42:50
So control what you control. When you get that kid, develop
42:53
them, he or she, and then go from there.
42:57
I I love it when they don't make me go very far.
42:59
We're going to go to. Trouble Ginger Kerman and Jostle
43:02
high school. I didn't tell the importance of
43:05
track and field to your football coach and your baseball and
43:08
girls basketball and your boys basketball coach.
43:11
Because a lot of kids look at track is like a second sport.
43:13
It's not the main thing with your sprinters and your power
43:16
athletes. You should come out of the
43:18
sport. So how do you make it important?
43:20
How do you sell importance to your other?
43:21
Location and assistant coaches, you have to start there.
43:24
So as a leader on that campus like kid Greg has a meeting and
43:29
he makes it known that if anybody that's treating your
43:31
secondary sport like a secondary sport, then you won't be on our
43:34
staff for long. So setting the expectation and
43:37
those coaches going to reciprocate that because there
43:39
are no individuals that's working with those athletes
43:41
ultimately. But when it all boils down into
43:44
it, that jade that's on your chest.
43:46
Everybody on that campus should be doing it for their journey
43:49
period. So just like we do it for the
43:52
SCE on our chest, whether it's basketball, football.
43:55
I talked to Greg Williams and I said there's not a star athlete
43:58
that can walk through the hallways and Ken rehabs and
44:00
don't speak to me. Whether it's a volleyball
44:02
player, whether it's a soccer player or whether it's us in
44:05
general, every player that that's an athlete on our campus,
44:07
we can dab up great jobs going to go last night.
44:10
Basketball players. Kenneth Coleman will stop there.
44:14
It's raining every time, man. You're going to give me a 45
44:16
minutes. So it's creating a culture where
44:19
those star athletes that's representing those letters on
44:22
your chest. Every coach on that campus
44:24
should be speaking high fiving, congratulating, telling good
44:28
job, telling them good luck that coaching, that that on that
44:31
campus should be thriving where those kids are leaving like that
44:35
and that coach tell you to come with it.
44:37
And we, we have a mass group text on our campus where every
44:42
time there's a playoffs, every time there's a success or where
44:45
our coach win and things of that nature, we congratulate, we
44:48
blast it out. We big up everybody in our
44:50
culture. Because everybody's representing
44:53
that brand that's on your chest. And you know how I'm deep
44:56
rooted? I grew up in Jasper, TX.
44:57
So that J in your chest has a lot of history, a lot of
45:00
history. First team in high school to go,
45:02
39 seconds and the four by one. Yeah.
45:06
Weather spoken was weather spoken postponed.
45:09
You guys are asking some great questions.
45:11
Are you guys enjoying the answers?
45:12
Yeah, let's keep it going. I always like to get a shout out
45:15
again to anybody who's been on the podcast.
45:17
So our next question asked her here.
45:19
The teacher, Stuart Haynes is also a Guil podcast alum.
45:22
So if you want to know more about her journey again, go
45:24
check it out. No pressure is better.
45:25
Be a good question. So I actually had two questions.
45:32
So my first question was how do you go about?
45:36
You're around planning for your Sprint program, so like you
45:40
said, planning backwards as far as your offseason and then
45:44
preseason, championship season. How do you go about planning
45:48
that? And also in your program you
45:50
have very elite hurdlers. How do you go about utilizing
45:55
them as far as like open flat races and relays as well?
46:00
And I can touch on that because we develop a lot of our hurdles
46:03
and we like to get ready when these kids just running fast in
46:05
middle school and things of that nature.
46:07
Barry Richardson won state with a 13323 years ago, never ran
46:12
middle school track type situation.
46:14
Aaron Davis, Donovan Bradley who just finished up with us, that's
46:18
at Cal. He wasn't a hurdle in middle
46:21
school. So Lord does a great job of
46:23
taking hurdlers and converting them and obviously coaching them
46:26
up and getting tools and resources.
46:28
We're big on speed. Scientifically, we know that
46:32
Hurdler's got to have good speed.
46:34
So it's basically taking some of the good morning form and good
46:37
speed and teaching them how to hurdle type situations when it
46:41
comes to developing that total program and then starting from
46:45
you know the state media and the beginning and so.
46:48
Setting that expectation when you come there in August, August
46:51
and and then going around and seeing that that that record
46:54
board type situation where the record board is ultimately
46:57
somewhere they like to put it. We put our record board where
46:59
they walk wide every day, type situation where they want to be
47:03
up there in type situation. We that strictly conditioning
47:06
program, that applied metric program that pentathlon which
47:10
was developed by Mark Majucotti while I was at the University of
47:13
Houston which is five different events.
47:16
The flying 30, the standing long jump, the standing triple jump,
47:19
the underhand front throw in the 35 second run and that
47:23
ultimately help us identify different individuals.
47:26
Aaron Davis jumped 25 four in one state two years ago at the
47:30
state meet and he was identified by the pentathlon because he did
47:34
had a great standing long jump. So he placed the one state as a
47:39
senior and only jumping for one year total but having all those
47:43
tools in place to. Assess.
47:45
It also gives me a reason of why if a parent want to come to me
47:48
and that's my my kid is a sprinter, why she's not running
47:51
well due to the tap when I'm testing your kid is down here in
47:54
the flying 30 and the steady alone jump let alone out of the
47:57
other things. So it's also assessment tool
47:59
that I used to utilize. But the next year I can measure
48:04
the growth of those athletes and then ultimately when it comes
48:06
into the the season and I had this conversation with Coach
48:10
Shannon is putting those athletes in position where they
48:13
can be successful. And and not putting those kids
48:15
in the box, running them up and down the ladder where you need
48:19
to and not being redundant. Having them run the same thing
48:21
every week and if you don't want to run them for a week, don't
48:23
run them that week. Nothing says that we have to run
48:26
8 meets, we have to run this week and that meet.
48:29
So if you want to sit the kid out and train through it then
48:31
you have to do it So ultimately collision athletes only run
48:34
cross country wise three or four meets track and field wise maybe
48:38
5 meets before they get into conference regionals and then
48:41
nationals. Only in high school do we feel
48:43
we have to run 20 different times in order for them to do
48:46
itself. I can tell you I feel like and I
48:48
just have to talk to coach about it.
48:50
District area regionals is enough assessment or enough
48:54
opportunity for me to get that kid ready to run fast and be
48:57
successful at the regional I mean.
48:59
You mentioned little Herb. That's your twin brother.
49:02
My evil twin brother. Here's a real question, Coach
49:06
Rover, thank. You very much.
49:10
Poster Coast Rose was at Elkins High School going to North
49:13
Shore. My cousin runs Wait wait, you're
49:15
going to North Shore side? Yeah, you're going to Michigan?
49:20
Yeah, I I thought my cousin runs for you.
49:22
Brook Lloyd. Oh, yes.
49:24
Brook Lloyd was a freshman that went 5403 as a girl at the state
49:28
meet. This year as a freshman.
49:30
Freshman girl going 54. Oh, our daddy is 5545 quarter
49:34
mile at TSU and his mom was in 22/6.
49:38
Sprinter while at TSU. So my question for you though is
49:44
about private coaches, kids having a private coach and then
49:51
you trying to deal with having them want to go to the private
49:54
coach and also want to work with you.
49:56
And my followup question is private coaches have to track me
49:59
trying to coach the kids. I know right that he's this
50:02
putting them on payroll, right? I can tell you I'm from the
50:05
Jewel Village school of this. When it comes in, I set
50:08
boundaries. You got to create boundaries and
50:11
everybody has a lane that they have to operate in.
50:13
When it comes to private coaches, right, I don't mess
50:16
with them during the summer. You should mess with them during
50:18
my season. And of course it's having those
50:20
conversations and they they're always going to the test you
50:24
that situation. I can tell you setting the
50:28
expectation at your parent meeting with how that looks
50:30
during the season. You can't control everything,
50:33
right? You can't.
50:34
You don't know what. You're driving me some crazy
50:36
trying to see if they're doing this and that on Saturday and
50:38
Sunday when they're outside of your window.
50:40
But they should not be missing your training, your practices
50:43
for private coaches. And I say that because you could
50:47
work something out type situation and we we had
50:49
situations where we worked something out, whereas a coach
50:52
wasn't coming out that day type situation, creating those
50:54
boundaries, having those conversations, setting the
50:57
expectations, It's boundaries are okay to be the bad woman or
51:01
bad guys is okay. But ultimately they have to give
51:04
you an opportunity to do it. And you know we're from a
51:07
program that ultimately if you don't you got to be willing to
51:10
part way with your best athlete if they're not on board and and
51:13
that's something where you can do.
51:14
But if you don't set those boundaries and you allow someone
51:17
to come in and control your program and dictate what they're
51:20
going to run and what they're not going to run.
51:21
I can tell you at Manville Kennedy Crum didn't play that
51:26
those his boys type situation during that season in the same
51:30
way for us. Summer pre, Marshall, Crime
51:33
Force, DeSoto, Duncanville, we all set the expectation of
51:37
whatever it looks like when it comes to private coaches,
51:39
personal coaches, parents, things of that nature.
51:42
So. That's ongoing.
51:46
So, yeah. Yeah.
51:48
We could do a whole hour just on that.
51:50
Yeah, all. Right, all good things must come
51:52
to an end, so we're going to try to do 2 more questions.
51:54
I have one right here. So once she asks her question,
51:56
who's ever got the fire? Last question to wrap us up?
51:59
Raise that hand. We got one right here from Coach
52:01
Jones. Hello, I'm Coach Jones from
52:04
Manor High School. I actually have two questions.
52:07
So one, you said that one you said like you talked about your
52:13
strength program. We do you not have a strict and
52:16
conditioning coach, so do you write your own visiting?
52:19
Program. Yes, he was the strict and
52:20
conditioning coach you are. That's exactly what I've been.
52:25
No, you. Are, yeah.
52:26
At any day. We all have seen speeches from
52:29
booth booth, snatch specialist, snatch, signer type situation.
52:34
We have the tools. I can tell you how the the
52:36
shrimp and conditioning programs is out there.
52:38
Even my correlation and my collaboration with the football
52:41
program with their lift days and then the track and field
52:44
workouts and I sit down with German justice who is not strict
52:47
and conditioning coach. Or I go to coach Harrison and
52:50
say hey these guys getting ready for the district of Regional
52:52
means I need them and he'll sit them out or he have them spot.
52:56
But ultimately having the bar moving fast, having good reps,
53:00
building strength, building pod metrics.
53:03
Which is that ground contact type situation, whether it's a
53:06
EM having it or whether it's doing an athletic period or
53:09
whether it's at the school. You can't compete at a high
53:12
level if you don't have a solid, strict and conditioning program
53:15
in Texas. I mean this the boys here, yeah
53:19
you you can't get there without a solid, strict and conditioning
53:22
program. This is impossible.
53:23
So. And at least to my next
53:25
question, and so we're a small 6A, but whatever, we do not have
53:30
an athletic period for our track class and our track kids are not
53:38
allowed to be in the athletic period.
53:40
So when it comes to like, I've had this crazy schedule for a
53:44
couple of years now. Just doing weights and working
53:46
the girls out, but now I'm trying to do working the girls
53:49
out in the morning and then weights out their school.
53:52
Like how would you go about that not having that time and.
53:56
That it's creating that system right there.
53:58
Everything you can control. You'll probably get that
53:59
administrative leader or that athletic director at some point
54:03
that see the value in athletic, direct athletic periods and then
54:07
they are also returning to the corner type situation where
54:09
they. To advocate for that, that
54:11
district, to have one at some point.
54:13
But at the end of the day, I'm getting the same conversation
54:15
that I gave my my coach, who I'm going to start me too many
54:20
movement because he used to hit me in high school.
54:24
But nobody cares about your excuses of what you can't and
54:27
cannot and can't do. You got to get it done.
54:29
So nobody's going to take it easy on you just because you
54:31
don't have this and that. At the end of the day, you got
54:33
to get it done and it's the only way to operate if you're going
54:36
to compete at the high level. We're going to be respectful.
54:39
We do have an 11:00 o'clock session.
54:40
So we got our last question right here real quick.
54:43
Before we ask this question, I just got to give a shout out.
54:45
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54:48
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54:50
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54:55
He promised me this is going to be a great question.
54:56
I did a little preview. I think it's going to be a good
54:58
one for us to end here. Coach safety.
55:01
Good morning. My name is Coach Sapient.
55:02
I'm from El Paso East Lake. I'm the throwing coach over
55:05
there at El Paso East Lake. My question one, my question was
55:09
earlier I heard you say that we wanted to expand our sport by
55:12
adding all these different events and I'm a big very big
55:14
advocate of my throwing events and my kids are big fans of shop
55:18
put in discus, but I've also introduced it to javelin to.
55:21
Hammer and in our summer. Track program.
55:23
I've introduced the basic fundamentals.
55:25
Of javelin and Hammer to our to our kids in our area.
55:28
So my question is, is how likely do you think we're going to see
55:31
the events slowly start creeping up to UI competition for javelin
55:35
or even Hammer? The misconception is that it's a
55:38
UIO decision is an executive committee decision that they we
55:42
create a proposal and we submit that proposal to the executive
55:45
committee which is athletic directors and superintendents
55:48
and ultimately they go back and vote on things.
55:52
Creating the data is how we go about doing it.
55:55
So obviously most states have it as Olympic event.
55:57
When it comes to the javelin, here's going to be the issue,
56:01
right? And this is my last part.
56:03
Our Sprint coach can say I have no dog in a fight and I don't
56:06
care about the javelin. So I'm not I'm not going to vote
56:08
on it. We can't operate it like that as
56:10
a as a police of group where individuals choosing not to vote
56:14
on it or take up the issue because they don't have a dog in
56:17
a fight. So we got to in order to have
56:19
stronger numbers, we have to all advocate for something eight
56:22
place javelin things that we all have in common that can
56:26
obviously progress our support and get it voted on and get it
56:28
passed. Does that make sense right.
56:32
It's possible. It's going to tell a lot of.
56:34
I don't think I'm going to be around long enough to do it.
56:36
My vice president, June Villas, he's going to have to pick up
56:39
that part. But I'm definitely here the the
56:42
push things and then continue to advocate for our sport to get
56:46
done. Guess gals give it up for
56:48
Shelton Irving.