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Sharri | 30 July · Sharri

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Speaker 1: Live on Sky News.
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Speaker 2: This is Sharry.
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Speaker 3: Good evening and welcome to the show. I'm Danikiti Giorgio.
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Speaker 3: Coming up tonight. One of the biggest news publications in
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Speaker 3: the world has issued a statement admitting it got it
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Speaker 3: wrong when it published a photo of a child in
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Speaker 3: Gaza claiming he'd been starved.
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Speaker 2: I hate to tell I told you so. More on
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Speaker 2: that shortly.
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Speaker 3: I'll speak to a fed up Victorian farmer who joined
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Speaker 3: hundreds at State Parliament today angry that their land is
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Speaker 3: being carved up and are being threatened with fines under
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Speaker 3: the net zero fantasy. Adam Crichton will cut through Labour's
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Speaker 3: spin on the latest inflation data, and UKPM Kiir Starmer
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Speaker 3: threatens to recognize Palestine. Brendan O'Neil will join me live
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Speaker 3: from London, but first tonight, Chris Bowen Gee. He really
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Speaker 3: is the biggest bozo in Albanese's cabinet and has no
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Speaker 3: grasp of your energy bills or the pain you're feeling
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Speaker 3: every time you look at your power bill. He was
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Speaker 3: up and about in question Time today with unhinged and
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Speaker 3: bizarre answers to serious questions about the energy crisis.
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Speaker 4: Minister, do you still stand by your government's commitment to
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Speaker 4: cut power bills by two hundred and seventy five dollars
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Speaker 4: by the end of the year.
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Speaker 5: Well thanks, mister speaker. The Honorable Member refers to modeling
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Speaker 5: Dane in twenty twenty one, which week PA to Australian
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Speaker 5: people in twenty twenty two.
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Speaker 4: The question was a very simple, straightforward one.
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Speaker 6: Do you stand by your government's commitment and that's what
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Speaker 6: the Australian people would like to hear.
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Speaker 5: Emil Beggar I was asked if we stand by things
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Speaker 5: and we do stand by our policy to reduce energy
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Speaker 5: prices by introducing the most cheapest form of energies, which
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Speaker 5: is renewable, and rejecting players to introduce the most expensive
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Speaker 5: form of energy.
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Speaker 3: Really, I mean, all you have to do is look
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Speaker 3: at your own power bill to tell you everything you
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Speaker 3: need to know about the costs involved in this disastrous
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Speaker 3: renewables rollout. And once again it's just so convenient for
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Speaker 3: Chris Bowen to pass the buck and blame it all
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Speaker 3: on that twenty twenty one reputex modeling. You know, that
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Speaker 3: same modeling that led to this over and over.
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Speaker 7: Again, reducing power prices by two hundred and seventy five dollars.
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Speaker 5: Reducing power prices by two hundred and seventy five dollars.
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Speaker 8: By twenty twenty five.
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Speaker 6: Two hundred and seventy five dollars a year.
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Speaker 7: One hundred and seventy five dollars a year will.
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Speaker 6: Get power prices down by two hundred and seventy five
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Speaker 6: dollars a year.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, minister, we're still waiting for an apology. Labor promised
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Speaker 3: to cut your bills by two hundred and seventy five
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Speaker 3: dollars a year.
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Speaker 2: Instead they went up by.
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Speaker 3: Around one thousand, so the opposition rightly pushed Bowen again.
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Speaker 4: Today, minister, is the average household electricity bill in Australia
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Speaker 4: today two hundred and seventy five dollars cheaper than May
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Speaker 4: twenty twenty two.
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Speaker 5: Mister speak of the average energy built today six point
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Speaker 5: two percent cheap, and then it was last year. That's
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Speaker 5: the fact, mister speaker.
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Speaker 3: Look, he really thinks we're all stupid, doesn't he. Let
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Speaker 3: me just remind the Minister for High Power Bills that
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Speaker 3: our power bills actually went up ten percent on July one.
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Speaker 3: And if you're with Snowy Hydro's red energy and electricity
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Speaker 3: retailer owned by the federal government. It too has jacked
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Speaker 3: up prices across the country by fifteen percent in New
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Speaker 3: South Wales, three point eight percent if you're in Victoria,
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Speaker 3: and five point four percent in Queensland. All of this
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Speaker 3: as Labour runs its tricky and dodgy experiment of transmission lines,
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Speaker 3: giant wind turbines, green hydrogen, solar farms and batteries. Even today,
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Speaker 3: it's been reported that construction of new wind farms for
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Speaker 3: the National Electricity Grid came to a halt in the
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Speaker 3: first half of this year. The situation is so bad. Roscnort,
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Speaker 3: who is a longtime advisor to the Labor government and
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Speaker 3: a backer of renewable energy, said Labour's eighty two percent
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Speaker 3: renewable energy goal by twenty thirty is unachievable, saying Australia
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Speaker 3: is currently on a trajectory to miss its renewable targets
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Speaker 3: because of low investment and output in grid scale solar
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Speaker 3: and wind. Not by a little but by a big margin. Look,
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Speaker 3: I don't know about you, but I've lost count of
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Speaker 3: the amount of green energy projects which have either stalled,
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Speaker 3: been scrapped or delayed in the last few months alone.
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Speaker 2: Despite the big.
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Speaker 3: Taxpayer handouts, and Bowen just seems to think it's all
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Speaker 3: one big laugh.
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Speaker 2: The twenty second of July twenty twenty five.
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Speaker 3: The Prime Minister said Australian power bill power bills were
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Speaker 3: being permanently reduced. Why does the Prime Minister say things
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Speaker 3: he knows are untrue?
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Speaker 5: So first term so she wouldn't have been here when
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Speaker 5: the Member for Hume hid an energy price rise before
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Speaker 5: the last election. Let's just speaker. So perhaps that's why
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Speaker 5: the honorable member got the job because they said difficult job.
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Speaker 5: I congratulate the opposition too for their temerity on asking
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Speaker 5: about energy matters this week.
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Speaker 3: He just doesn't get it, does he? And look his
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Speaker 3: rants didn't end there.
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Speaker 5: The way to reduce fossil fuel use is to build
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Speaker 5: renewable energy. You can't wish away fossil fuels, can't. You
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Speaker 5: can't have a plan to reduce fossil fuel use in
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Speaker 5: Australia or overseas unless you have a plan to build
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Speaker 5: renewable energy.
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Speaker 2: Well he's not wrong, is he is he? Because you
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Speaker 2: can't wish away fossil fuels.
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Speaker 3: But the problem is that's exactly what he has done.
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Speaker 3: He's wished it away on some sort of magic carpet ride.
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Speaker 3: Our energy rollout is happening back to front, the Australian
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Speaker 3: Energy Market Operator has worn. The slow rollout of poles
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Speaker 3: and wire projects will severely limit the amount of power
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Speaker 3: big renewables can produce to replace Australia's soon to be
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Speaker 3: shut coal plants. And not to mention, we need ten
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Speaker 3: thousand kilometers of high voltage transmission lines by twenty fifty,
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Speaker 3: but the project is so far behind only half will
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Speaker 3: be delivered in the next decade. The cost will inevitably
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Speaker 3: have we've been warned, be passed on to us as
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Speaker 3: consumers on top of every other energy increase under labor.
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Speaker 3: Net zero by twenty fifty is an even bigger joke
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Speaker 3: than the Minister seems to think our energy crisis is.
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Speaker 3: And once reality hits, and perhaps it's actually started to
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Speaker 3: maybe then will Chris Bowen stop treating our energy future.
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Speaker 2: As a laugh?
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Speaker 3: And later on I'll catch up with a farmer who
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Speaker 3: joined a protest against net zero today in Victoria and
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Speaker 3: he is not mincing his words.
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Speaker 2: Well.
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Speaker 3: I spoke last night about the media around the world
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Speaker 3: and at home being hoodwinked by harmasa's propaganda, believing the
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Speaker 3: lies being pedled out of Gaza from the terror group.
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Speaker 3: None more than The New York Times, who ran this
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Speaker 3: front page last Friday with the headline young old sick
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Speaker 3: starve to death in Gaza, with a picture of eighteen
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Speaker 3: month old Muhammad Zakira Ayub al Montique being held by
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Speaker 3: his mother. Well, today the paper has been forced to
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Speaker 3: admit that photo was indeed misleading, as we've been reporting.
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Speaker 3: As I said last night on the show, the child
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Speaker 3: has a serious genetic condition and suffers with cerebral palsy.
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Speaker 3: The Papers set in a statement we have since learned
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Speaker 3: new information, including from the hospital that treated him and
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Speaker 3: his medical records, and have updated our story to add context.
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Speaker 3: Not even an apology, nothing for worldwide damage and the
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Speaker 3: demonization of Israel it has caused.
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Speaker 2: And let me break it down for you.
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Speaker 3: This is the image the New York Times and Hummus
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Speaker 3: want you to see, and this is the angle the
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Speaker 3: paper did not want you to see, uncropped, showing the
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Speaker 3: boy's healthy mother and brother both clearly not starving. But
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Speaker 3: of course by now it's just simply too late that
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Speaker 3: photo has gone worldwide, and suddenly this innocent eighteen month
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Speaker 3: old has become the face.
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Speaker 2: Of the war.
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Speaker 3: The media picked it up and ran with it. It
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Speaker 3: fed the news cycle. CNN attached the photo with the
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Speaker 3: caption Palestinians are starving or being killed by Israeli troops.
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Speaker 3: The Daily Mail went with reduced to skin and bones.
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Speaker 3: The BBC even interviewed the photographer, Ahmed Aurini, who said
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Speaker 3: he took the photo in a bare tent which resembled
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Speaker 3: a tomb.
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Speaker 9: I took this photo because I wanted to show the
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Speaker 9: rest of the war, the extreme hunger that babies and
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Speaker 9: children are suffering from.
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Speaker 3: End the Gaza Strip, the Sydney Morning Herald, the Age,
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Speaker 3: the Times, Sky UK, they all ran with it. Even
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Speaker 3: Anthony Albinizi referenced it.
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Speaker 7: We need to make sure that people who are in
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Speaker 7: this and including the young boy who people will have
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Speaker 7: seen the image of just breaks your heart. A one
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Speaker 7: year old boy is not a Hamas fighter.
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Speaker 3: I mean, the New York Times can never undo the
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Speaker 3: damage it has caused from spreading Hamas propaganda, and I
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Speaker 3: think the editor should be sacked for such an oversight
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Speaker 3: of this level. If it was fair di income about
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Speaker 3: its correction, that should be the only thing on the
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Speaker 3: front page tomorrow. Now we can sympathize with this poor
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Speaker 3: little boy who is suffering from a terrible condition at
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Speaker 3: just eighteen months. It is so sad anyone would feel
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Speaker 3: sorry for him. He's a little boy, but his illness,
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Speaker 3: unrelated to the war, is being exploited by Hamas, by
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Speaker 3: the Jihadis who want to fool the world because they
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Speaker 3: are the root of all evil, and the media fell
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Speaker 3: for it. I mean, haven't listened to this question asked
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Speaker 3: by a member of the Canberra press pack today.
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Speaker 2: You've now recognized in last week or so that Israeli's
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Speaker 2: clearly breaching international law.
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Speaker 1: Why haven't you implosed sanctions on the broader Israeli government?
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Speaker 3: This is truly, truly unacceptable and it points to a
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Speaker 3: bigger issue. This is bigger now than just one photo.
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Speaker 3: We've seen it from day one. Remember when Hamas claimed
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Speaker 3: the Alali Hospital was bombed by Israeli forces, when in
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Speaker 3: fact it was caused by a Palestinian terrorist group's rockets.
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Speaker 2: Yet the media picked it up.
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Speaker 3: And blamed Israel, even prompting the BBC to admit it
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Speaker 3: had made a mistake. Media around the world also keep
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Speaker 3: reporting death figures from the Palestine Health Ministry, which is
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Speaker 3: Hamas run, including from the ABC.
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Speaker 2: This week, the.
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Speaker 8: Ministry of Health in Gaza says sixty thousand and thirty
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Speaker 8: four Palestinians have now been confirmed killed by Israel's ground
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Speaker 8: invasion and bombardment in retaliation for the Hamas attacks of
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Speaker 8: October seven, twenty twenty three.
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Speaker 3: How curious given thousands of names since October seven have
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Speaker 3: been removed from the death reports released by the Health Ministry,
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Speaker 3: Hamas is inflating the death figures.
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Speaker 2: Have any of these.
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Speaker 3: Journalists thought to ask why Israel, which is supplying AID,
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Speaker 3: would want to starve and kill those it's trying to
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Speaker 3: help so brazenly and so publicly, Or why Hamas terrorists
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Speaker 3: are now looting AID trucks the media is intent on
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Speaker 3: claiming Israel is starving civilians. Have any journalists even asked
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Speaker 3: about the hostages being starved? Remember these images of freed
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Speaker 3: hostages or Levy, a Hard, Ben Army and Eli Sharabi
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Speaker 3: back in February, gaunt, frail and extremely pale, all three
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Speaker 3: of them complete shells of their former selves. There are
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Speaker 3: still fifty hostages captive. We don't know if they're dead
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Speaker 3: or alive. Or what condition they are in. And there
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Speaker 3: is a complete moral decay embedded in media in institutions
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Speaker 3: across the world and the country. And it's quite frankly
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Speaker 3: disgusting that there are journalists who think that there is
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Speaker 3: a moral equivalence between Israel and Hamas. They are bringing
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Speaker 3: their bias and their anti Israel hatred into their place
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Speaker 3: of work under the guise of fair and balanced reporting.
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Speaker 3: Harmas is not only running the Gaza strip, but it's
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Speaker 3: clearly successfully running newsrooms.
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Speaker 2: Now.
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Speaker 3: Everyone wants this war to end, and that's not to
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Speaker 3: say that there has not been mistakes on both sides.
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Speaker 2: Absolutely there has been.
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Speaker 3: In what is a sustained war, but there is one
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Speaker 3: group that keeps the warfare going and that is Hamas,
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Speaker 3: and seeing the media capitulate to a bunch of terrorists
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Speaker 3: keeps it going even longer.
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Speaker 2: Well.
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Speaker 3: UK Prime Minister Kirstarmer has moved a step closer to
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Speaker 3: rewarding Hamas for its atrocities by threatening to recognize Palestinian
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Speaker 3: statehood before September unless Benjamin Etna, who takes steps to
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Speaker 3: end the war.
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Speaker 10: So today, as part of this process towards peace, I
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Speaker 10: can confirm that UK will recognize the State of Palestine
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Speaker 10: by the United Nations General Assembly in September unless the
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Speaker 10: Israeli government takes substantive steps to end the appalling situation
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Speaker 10: in Gaza.
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Speaker 3: Which is absolutely extraordinary given there is a cease fire
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Speaker 3: deal on the table by the US and Israel, but
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Speaker 3: it's been rejected by Humas and it seems Labor here
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Speaker 3: are taking notes.
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Speaker 7: People who are friends of Israel have to be able
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Speaker 7: to say what you are doing is losing support and
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Speaker 7: that is what is happening.
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Speaker 6: Rank and file members of the Labor Party have been
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Speaker 6: pushing for recognition of a Palestinian state goodness for many,
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Speaker 6: many years. Now do you see that that could happen
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Speaker 6: relatively soon?
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Speaker 2: Well, I think it's a question of when not if.
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Speaker 3: Let's bring an out panel for this evening. Former Victorian
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Speaker 3: Liberal Party president and former Labor Minister Graham Richardson, Hi to.
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Speaker 2: Both of you.
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Speaker 3: Thank you so much for joining me on the show
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Speaker 3: this evening. Michael Kroger will start with you. Do you
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Speaker 3: think that Anthony Albenezi wants to head down this road?
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Speaker 3: I mean, he's been hinting as much and now our
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Speaker 3: ally is threatening to do so. Will it embolden him.
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Speaker 11: Yes, of course it will. He's in bold already and
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Speaker 11: he'll continue down this route under the cover of other
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Speaker 11: nations like Andorra and San Marino and Luxembourg, who signed
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Speaker 11: that joint statement with him, along with Britain and France.
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Speaker 11: He's emboldened. I think Keith Starmer and the French completely
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Speaker 11: wrong by that. By the way, have mus said they'll
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Speaker 11: recognize the Palestinian authority as the head of a Palestinian state.
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Speaker 11: I don't think so. So it's completely wrongheaded what they're doing.
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Speaker 11: Trump is right on this. The demand that Kios and
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Speaker 11: Albanizi and the French and everyone else should be making
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Speaker 11: is for Hamas to surrender. No recognition of a Palestinian
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Speaker 11: state can take place until Hamas surrenders. Otherwise, if you
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Speaker 11: set up a Palestinian state, you will have terrorism by
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Speaker 11: you unreconstructed Hamas, terrorists who are undermining mackwutter Bas and
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Speaker 11: whoever's running the PA in the West Bank and Gaza
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Speaker 11: or wherever the territory is. So this is the wrong
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Speaker 11: way to go about it. You need Hamas to surrender,
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Speaker 11: to be disarmed, to be disbanded and dispersed before you
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Speaker 11: can seriously talk about having a Palestinian state, because otherwise
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Speaker 11: the Palestinian state will turn into another war between Fatah
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Speaker 11: and Hamas, as it did in Gaza before two thousand
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Speaker 11: and six.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I completely agree, you know, Richo, given that there
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Speaker 3: are still fifty hostages, we don't know how many are dead,
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Speaker 3: how many are alive, or what condition they're in. Do
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Speaker 3: you think it's even appropriate to be having a conversation
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Speaker 3: recognizing Palestine.
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Speaker 9: I'm not really, I'm I'm not a fan of doing
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Speaker 9: it under dear s, and that's what's happening at the moment.
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Speaker 9: We're under DearS and we shouldn't cave in.
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Speaker 2: No, I completely agree with you. But where do you
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Speaker 2: think Anthony Albaneze is heading two with this?
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Speaker 9: Well, I can't say that he's in the same he's
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Speaker 9: of the same mind. You know. Albow has got his own,
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Speaker 9: his own agenda and his own thoughts. I just hope
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Speaker 9: he doesn't go too far with him.
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Speaker 3: Well, I mean, look, judging today, it's as I said,
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Speaker 3: it's not a question of when, it's if, rather it's when.
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Speaker 3: So that already tells you everything you need to know.
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Speaker 2: Now.
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Speaker 3: Look, I spoke earlier about Chris Bowen. He told question
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Speaker 3: Time today that Australia cannot wish away fossil fuels to
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Speaker 3: reduce carbon emissions. Michael that the problem is we are
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Speaker 3: wishing away fossil fuels and the renewables rollout is happening
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Speaker 3: back to front.
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Speaker 11: Well, the renewables, you know, are not preceding at the
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Speaker 11: pace we need them to proceed with to get to
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Speaker 11: the omissions reductions that Chris Bowen has legislated. And you
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Speaker 11: mentioned Roscarno before. For example, I was in Europe recently
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Speaker 11: talking to some German steel manufacturers, as you do when
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Speaker 11: you're in Europe, and they said, we're not producing any
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Speaker 11: green steel. No one wants to buy it's too expensive.
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Speaker 11: We've stopped producing it because there are no customers wanting
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Speaker 11: to buy it. And this is happening in a worldwide
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Speaker 11: environment that basically governments are subsidizing all those renewables. They're uneconomic,
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Speaker 11: they're extremely expensive. This is going far too fast. It's
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Speaker 11: costing the public an absolute fortune, it's costing governments of fortune.
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Speaker 11: And there's no end to the obsession of Bowen. I mean,
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Speaker 11: Albanezi would be the right, would do the right thing
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Speaker 11: by raining in Chris Bowen, who, as you say, seems
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Speaker 11: to reduce every question time to some kind of you
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Speaker 11: know joke. He's laughing and carry on. Meanwhile, he's spending
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Speaker 11: billions and billions and billions of dollars of the taxpayers money,
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Speaker 11: and no one range this blake in. He's an extremist,
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Speaker 11: he's a zealous and it's costing it all, costing us
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Speaker 11: all fortune. And he's failing.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, he is failing.
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Speaker 3: And you know, Richo, he again refused today to commit
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Speaker 3: to his twenty twenty two election promise to lower energy
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Speaker 3: bills by two hundred and seventy five dollars after some
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Speaker 3: very very good and terrific questioning by the opposition. But
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Speaker 3: he's again blaming modeling on twenty twenty one modeling. Why
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Speaker 3: won't he just apologize and be upfront that we're never
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Speaker 3: going to see that bill relief.
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Speaker 9: Wish I had an answer that was a good one,
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Speaker 9: but I don't. I think pretty obviously he's wrong on this.
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Speaker 9: But as you know, pologies have never liked admitting they're wrong.
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Speaker 2: No, they don't like their admitting they're wrong.
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Speaker 3: But you know, our bills are going in the opposite direction.
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Speaker 3: And he's still telling us that they're lower under the
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Speaker 3: renewables only fantasy.
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Speaker 2: It's just ridiculous. Now look, YouTube will.
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Speaker 3: Be including Labour's social media band for under sixteens despite
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Speaker 3: recent legal threats from parent company Google. Here was the
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Speaker 3: Communications Minister Anika Wells today.
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Speaker 1: The evidence cannot be ignored that four out of ten
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Speaker 1: Australian kids reports that their most recent harm was on YouTube.
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Speaker 1: And as parents, we are really trying our best when
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Speaker 1: it comes to the Internet. But it is like trying
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Speaker 1: to teach your kids to swim in the open ocean
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Speaker 1: with the rips and the sharks compared to at the
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Speaker 1: local council pool. We can't control the ocean, but we
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Speaker 1: can police the sharks.
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Speaker 2: Michael.
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Speaker 3: The issue here is nobody knows how this has got
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Speaker 3: to work. I mean, will there be age verification checks.
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Speaker 3: The whole thing just seems so ad hoc.
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Speaker 11: Well with respect to the Minister, I don't think we've
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Speaker 11: got any other choice, have we. We're an uncharted territory
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Speaker 11: here in what the government's trying to do. They're trying
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Speaker 11: to do the right thing. The opposition essentially agree with them.
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Speaker 11: We're trying to save young people from online harm. There's
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Speaker 11: been so much of it over the last decade or two.
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Speaker 11: If there was a simple answer, every government in the
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Speaker 11: world would adopt it. There isn't a simple answer. There
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Speaker 11: will be mistakes. It's two steps forward, one step back.
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Speaker 11: But you know, I credit the government and the Minister Wells.
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Speaker 11: They're trying to do the right thing by our kids.
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Speaker 11: So of course there are going to be errors and
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Speaker 11: mistakes and apologies and changes. And that's because, as I said,
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Speaker 11: you know, no one's done this before, no one's doing
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Speaker 11: it to an extent where are anywhere else in the world.
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Speaker 11: So yeah, I must say I support what they're doing.
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Speaker 2: Okay, look fair enough.
20:32
Speaker 3: I'm just very curious to know how they plan to
20:35
Speaker 3: implement this possible. You know a lot of parents they
20:37
Speaker 3: called talkback lines today saying that they love their kids
20:40
Speaker 3: using YouTube because they find out how to use things.
20:42
Speaker 2: So I'll be curious to see how it goes.
20:44
Speaker 3: Now, I want to talk about a story that I
20:46
Speaker 3: think should worry everyone. The latest NAPLAN National report Card
20:50
Speaker 3: results show one in three Aussie students are still struggling
20:53
Speaker 3: to read, write, and do math.
20:56
Speaker 2: Rich O, what do you think is causing this?
21:00
Speaker 9: Well, I think we've just too long ignored the problem.
21:05
Speaker 9: We wanted to pretend that what we've got is in
21:07
Speaker 9: some way a really good system, when clearly it has flaws.
21:12
Speaker 9: If you've got a system with flaws, you've got to
21:14
Speaker 9: fix them. If you don't admit there's a flaw, you've
21:17
Speaker 9: got nothing to fix.
21:19
Speaker 2: Yeah.
21:20
Speaker 3: I just think that it's getting worse and worse. Michael Kroger,
21:23
Speaker 3: You know, I mean, this is not the first time
21:25
Speaker 3: we've had a bad Naplan score report card. But I
21:27
Speaker 3: also don't think the rise of AI helps either. Their
21:30
Speaker 3: kids are so reliant on social media and technology, and.
21:36
Speaker 11: Why wouldn't they be. It's much easier to talk to
21:38
Speaker 11: way On and get an answer in twenty seconds than
21:40
Speaker 11: just research the old Encyclopedia Britannica or whatever. Look, you know,
21:45
Speaker 11: this comes back to one thing. We spent billions and
21:47
Speaker 11: billions at the request of David Gonsky on schools, and
21:52
Speaker 11: nat Plan results show that there's no discernible improvement, at
21:56
Speaker 11: least in the last three years. So there's no substance
22:00
Speaker 11: for great teachers being well paid. My father was a
22:04
Speaker 11: school teacher for forty years. Great teachers being well paid,
22:06
Speaker 11: given the respect they deserve, and having more discipline and
22:11
Speaker 11: higher standards in schools, and having a greater concentration on reading, writing,
22:16
Speaker 11: and arithmetic. It might sound very nineteen fifties, but kids
22:20
Speaker 11: that can't read and kids that can't add up will
22:24
Speaker 11: suffer a serious disadvantage during the entirety of their life,
22:28
Speaker 11: and so recommitment to basic literacy and numeracy skills is
22:31
Speaker 11: exactly what needs to be done in this country. And
22:34
Speaker 11: a kara should the regultary body should concentrate on those
22:37
Speaker 11: things more than some other more fringe subjects that we
22:41
Speaker 11: have in our school curriculum today. Danekiah, Yeah, I mean.
22:44
Speaker 3: Some of the curriculum. Good god, it just beggars belief.
22:47
Speaker 3: Where is it going to? Michael Croker, Great Richardson. Good
22:50
Speaker 3: to catch up with you both. Thanks very much for
22:52
Speaker 3: joining me on the show this evening. Well Labor says
22:55
Speaker 3: it's adopting a watch and wait approach when it comes
22:59
Speaker 3: to US tariff after the President hinted at a hike
23:02
Speaker 3: from the original.
23:02
Speaker 2: Ten percent to fifteen to twenty percent. Well, I mean,
23:06
Speaker 2: what can the PM do?
23:07
Speaker 3: He hasn't secured a meeting yet with Donald Trump joining
23:10
Speaker 3: me now is National's Deputy leader Kevin Hogan, Kevin, thank you.
23:13
Speaker 2: For joining me.
23:14
Speaker 3: You know, Donald Trump was in Europe negotiating a trade
23:17
Speaker 3: deal just this week. It's not like he isn't meeting
23:20
Speaker 3: with world leaders on this is this latest threat from
23:23
Speaker 3: the President, not proof that a meeting is urgent.
23:28
Speaker 4: No, just emphasizes the importance in the fact that your
23:32
Speaker 4: Prime minist Albanese hasn't put enough effort into the US
23:35
Speaker 4: Australia relationship from leader to LEDA is damaging. We've already
23:39
Speaker 4: seen the UK. Many countries do deals actually with President Trump.
23:43
Speaker 4: Now the UK have done a deal the other member
23:45
Speaker 4: of ORCUS obviously the UK, US and Australia. The three
23:48
Speaker 4: members of ORCAS, they have an exemp with AVLAO the
23:51
Speaker 4: tara from fifty percent to twenty five percent on seal
23:53
Speaker 4: and aluminium our tariffs fifty percent. You know a lot
23:56
Speaker 4: of other countries are doing similar deals. Prime Minis Albanesi
23:59
Speaker 4: hasn't shown of great interest and put obviously the effort
24:01
Speaker 4: into the relationship and develop in a personal rapport that
24:05
Speaker 4: is very important for national security and economics.
24:08
Speaker 2: No. Look, I agree with you, and you mentioned ORCAS.
24:12
Speaker 3: The Pentagon's review of that agreement has now been delayed
24:15
Speaker 3: until later this ar he was a prime minister today,
24:18
Speaker 3: asked whether he was concerned have a listened to this.
24:22
Speaker 7: No, it's not surprising that that would be the case,
24:25
Speaker 7: and something we expected something like that. We expected a
24:30
Speaker 7: revere from an incoming government, just like the Starma government
24:33
Speaker 7: did it. We expect that those things take longer than
24:38
Speaker 7: just thirty days.
24:40
Speaker 3: Kevin, should we be worried about a delay and does
24:43
Speaker 3: it give us an opportunity to actually consider lifting defense spending?
24:49
Speaker 4: Well, we obviously have a policy to lift defense spending
24:51
Speaker 4: to three percent. That was a policy we took to
24:53
Speaker 4: the last election. That's still coalition policy in opposition. But
24:58
Speaker 4: you know, Anika, this is look I think is one
25:00
Speaker 4: of the great achievements of the coalition government. When we're
25:03
Speaker 4: in government. It's really important for national security, the multivate thing.
25:06
Speaker 4: The most important thing any government does is keep its
25:09
Speaker 4: people safe. It's going to give us access to world
25:13
Speaker 4: leading technology which we could never develop on our own,
25:17
Speaker 4: and obviously make us a more secure nation in geopolitical
25:20
Speaker 4: times that are destabilizing. So the fact again he talks
25:24
Speaker 4: about it almost casually. Again, hasn't been a priority of
25:27
Speaker 4: his to have this meeting to sort it out. You know,
25:31
Speaker 4: a lot of questions to be asked about this.
25:33
Speaker 3: Yeah, there's a lot of there's so many unanswered questions
25:36
Speaker 3: right now between the tariffs between orcas and it all
25:38
Speaker 3: comes down to a meeting face to face, because that
25:41
Speaker 3: is how Donald Trump does business. We've seen it in
25:43
Speaker 3: Europe this week, We've seen it with the UK Prime minister,
25:46
Speaker 3: but it's yet to happen.
25:47
Speaker 1: Now.
25:47
Speaker 2: Look, I want to talk about net zero.
25:49
Speaker 3: This is a massive, massive debate going on in the
25:52
Speaker 3: country right now. The coalition, of course, you're maintaining that
25:56
Speaker 3: you are going through a review policy. You want to
25:58
Speaker 3: talk to your members for see what's happening. The Australians
26:02
Speaker 3: editor Paul Kelly has written today that the key to
26:04
Speaker 3: the Liberal Party's future is political and intellectual renewal That
26:08
Speaker 3: won't be found in pretending that climate change borders on
26:10
Speaker 3: a global hoax, or running a strategy that alienates even
26:14
Speaker 3: more people than were alienated at the dismal twenty twenty
26:17
Speaker 3: five election. Kevin, this comes off the back of your
26:20
Speaker 3: colleague Matt Canavan saying the Coalition is irrelevant right now.
26:24
Speaker 3: He was saying that in the broader context of the
26:26
Speaker 3: net zero debate debate, do you think that they have
26:28
Speaker 3: a point?
26:31
Speaker 4: Well, look, it's obviously a complex issue. But what we're
26:34
Speaker 4: looking at when we're doing this review, Danika, what we
26:37
Speaker 4: want is we want updated data. We want updated to
26:39
Speaker 4: data about what does net zero twenty fifty do to
26:42
Speaker 4: your power bills. We're seeing massive industries, massive businesses having
26:46
Speaker 4: asked governments for handouts in the hundreds of millions of
26:49
Speaker 4: dollars because they're going broke, because they can't afford their energy.
26:51
Speaker 4: Where our energy systems becoming more unreliable, etc. For the
26:55
Speaker 4: renewable rollout only in Region austral huge questions. So net
26:59
Speaker 4: zero is a separate discussion from climate change. You can
27:02
Speaker 4: have firm climate change commitments and be believing climate change,
27:05
Speaker 4: have ambitions to climate change that may be different to
27:08
Speaker 4: what you think we should be doing with net zero
27:10
Speaker 4: twenty fifty. It's not a religion. And you know, these
27:13
Speaker 4: are the type of questions that we want to ask ourselves.
27:15
Speaker 4: These are the top of things we're looking for solutions
27:17
Speaker 4: for because you know, we don't want our industries, our smelters,
27:22
Speaker 4: all these industries to go broke and they're all asking
27:24
Speaker 4: for government handouts at the moment, so something needs to change.
27:27
Speaker 3: No, I agree with you, But we've also got a
27:28
Speaker 3: situation today, for example, where Victorian farmers have taken their
27:32
Speaker 3: fight to State Parliament. They're sick of being threatened with
27:35
Speaker 3: fines if transmission workers were to go on their own land.
27:39
Speaker 2: They want net zero drops.
27:40
Speaker 3: I mean, the Nationals are the champions of the farmers,
27:44
Speaker 3: the champions of the regions here. Why do you need
27:47
Speaker 3: to go through this consultation process.
27:51
Speaker 4: Well, Denika, with eldue respect, if we make a decision
27:54
Speaker 4: tomorrow or we make a decision in three months time
27:56
Speaker 4: or six months time. We ran opposition, as Matt Canavan said,
27:59
Speaker 4: you know, our votes the chamber.
28:00
Speaker 2: Are never going to win.
28:01
Speaker 4: We want to be considered and we think it's important
28:03
Speaker 4: we're considered about it, that we take on all the
28:06
Speaker 4: evidence that we can to do that. We committed to
28:08
Speaker 4: a review at our first party room meeting after the election.
28:11
Speaker 4: We're going to complete that review and we'll land on
28:14
Speaker 4: a position within the party room. So I think it's
28:17
Speaker 4: you know, I don't think it hurts to take a
28:18
Speaker 4: few months to get new darting, to get new evidence
28:21
Speaker 4: to land somewhere, And I understand people's opinion. Who you
28:25
Speaker 4: know want to get out of zero tomorrow or yesterday?
28:27
Speaker 4: And look I said also earlier this week, Daneka, that
28:30
Speaker 4: you know, I'm glad Barnaby Joyce moved his Private Members
28:32
Speaker 4: bill earlier this week. He feels very passionately about it.
28:35
Speaker 4: We're in a democracy. He's speaking for a lot of
28:37
Speaker 4: people who believe that, and it's healthy and we we're
28:40
Speaker 4: happy to have this conversation and debate publicly the Labour Party, Danika,
28:43
Speaker 4: you can't disagree with your colleagues publicly. We celebrate democracy,
28:48
Speaker 4: we celebrate difference of opinion.
28:50
Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, well let's see what happens with this one. Now.
28:53
Speaker 2: I want to ask you. You asked a terrific question
28:55
Speaker 2: of Chris.
28:55
Speaker 3: Bowen today in Parliament, a very very very straightforward one
29:00
Speaker 3: in question time.
29:01
Speaker 2: He couldn't answer it. Here was the exchange, Minister.
29:05
Speaker 4: Is the average household electricity bill in Australia today two
29:09
Speaker 4: hundred and seventy five dollars cheaper than May twenty twenty two.
29:14
Speaker 5: Lets to speak of the average energy bill today six
29:16
Speaker 5: point two percent cheaper than it was last year. That's
29:18
Speaker 5: the fact, mister Speaker.
29:20
Speaker 3: Kevin I don't know where he pullsed these figures from.
29:22
Speaker 3: I mean, our power bills just went up ten percent
29:24
Speaker 3: on July one, But the opposition was very strong on this.
29:27
Speaker 2: Today.
29:28
Speaker 3: You pushed him on that two hundred and seventy five dollars.
29:30
Speaker 3: He couldn't answer.
29:33
Speaker 4: Did he get Look, you know, I say the Labor
29:36
Speaker 4: Party can run a great campaign, but you know they
29:38
Speaker 4: can't run the economy. I mean, not only do we
29:40
Speaker 4: have the two hundred and seventy five dollars. If they
29:41
Speaker 4: did come out and say, look, yes we got it wrong.
29:45
Speaker 4: Your bill isn't going to be two hundred and seventy
29:47
Speaker 4: five dollars lower than it was when we were on
29:49
Speaker 4: government in twenty twenty two, ever, or not when we
29:51
Speaker 4: said it would be. People would have respect for that.
29:53
Speaker 4: You can they can even maybe explain why they got
29:55
Speaker 4: it wrong.
29:56
Speaker 2: Fine.
29:56
Speaker 4: The other one, Danika, which put hard, we pushed hard
29:59
Speaker 4: yesterday Anthony Abaneze. He was running around through the campaign
30:02
Speaker 4: with his Medicare card saying this is the only thing
30:05
Speaker 4: you will need to go to the GP. Bold Billy
30:07
Speaker 4: rates in the last three years under Labor have gone
30:09
Speaker 4: down so used to be over eighty percent, down on
30:12
Speaker 4: the low seventy, so thirty percent of people almost have
30:14
Speaker 4: to have their credit card when they go to the
30:17
Speaker 4: GP and that's increasing.
30:18
Speaker 2: Again.
30:19
Speaker 4: They're just not talking to us strait and they won't
30:22
Speaker 4: admit to you know, they won't admit that they're misleading
30:25
Speaker 4: the voter.
30:26
Speaker 3: No, and he was out flipping that Medicare card around
30:28
Speaker 3: today like it's the best friend that he's ever had.
30:31
Speaker 3: It just goes on and on. Kevin Hogan, good to
30:33
Speaker 3: catch up as always, Thanks so much for joining me
30:35
Speaker 3: on the show this evening.
30:37
Speaker 2: Well still to come.
30:37
Speaker 3: As I mentioned, Victorian farmers take their fight against net
30:40
Speaker 3: zero to Victoria's State Parliament. I'll speak to one fed
30:44
Speaker 3: up farmer, Ben Duckson, plus more trouble in Green Dreamland
30:48
Speaker 3: as wind projects slump the Institute of Public Affairs as
30:51
Speaker 3: chief economist Adam Crichton will join me next.
30:56
Speaker 2: Welcome back. We'll Treasurer Jim Chalmers.
30:58
Speaker 3: Has been patting himself on the back this morning after
31:01
Speaker 3: the latest inflation data revealed headline inflation was zero point
31:04
Speaker 3: seven percent in the June quarter, taking the annual rate
31:07
Speaker 3: down to two point one percent from two point four percent.
31:11
Speaker 2: That's the lowest rate since early twenty twenty one, and
31:14
Speaker 2: here was the Treasurer.
31:16
Speaker 6: Well, today's inflation numbers are outstanding, There's no two ways
31:20
Speaker 6: about it. They are a powerful demonstration of the progress
31:24
Speaker 6: that Australians have made together in the fight against inflation.
31:27
Speaker 3: Jodi now is the Institute of Public Affairs Chief economist
31:30
Speaker 3: Adam Crichton.
31:31
Speaker 2: Adam, thank you for joining me.
31:33
Speaker 9: A lot.
31:33
Speaker 3: The Treasurer can barely keep a smile off his face there.
31:35
Speaker 3: But look, let's cut through the spin. What does it
31:37
Speaker 3: mean for Ossie's and what about the chances of a
31:39
Speaker 3: rate cut?
31:42
Speaker 12: Well, look, the markets are certainly pricing in three rate cuts,
31:45
Speaker 12: I believe by the end of the year. But the
31:46
Speaker 12: reality is inflation is not that low. I think the
31:49
Speaker 12: true mean or the core inflation rate is still two
31:52
Speaker 12: point seven percent, which is about roughly double what it
31:55
Speaker 12: was before the COVID pandemic. So that means that are
31:58
Speaker 12: about three percent a year. That prices double every twenty
32:02
Speaker 12: four years. So so personally, I don't think the RBA
32:06
Speaker 12: should be cutting rates. We know the relationship between interest
32:09
Speaker 12: rates and house prices, and when interest rates go down,
32:13
Speaker 12: house prices go up, and we you know, we have
32:15
Speaker 12: a housing affordability crisis in Australia. Look, I know, you know,
32:19
Speaker 12: if you have a home loan or if you own
32:20
Speaker 12: your house, that it's you know, it's kind of nice
32:22
Speaker 12: when your just rates go down. But for the third
32:24
Speaker 12: of Australians roughly, who don't own a home, I think
32:28
Speaker 12: it's very bad news when the RBA cuts rates because
32:30
Speaker 12: it's just going to increase prices even further. You know,
32:34
Speaker 12: the link with inflation and short term dist rates is
32:37
Speaker 12: actually very weak. It's all based on theory, so you know, look,
32:40
Speaker 12: I understand the politics of it. Two thirds of Australians
32:43
Speaker 12: are generally happy when interest rates go down, but we
32:46
Speaker 12: should think of the one third who should not be
32:48
Speaker 12: happy about it. And yeah, like I said, inflation is
32:51
Speaker 12: not low. I mean three percent is not low.
32:53
Speaker 2: Duneka, No, it's not. You're right.
32:55
Speaker 3: And you know you mentioned the housing crisis. It's been
32:58
Speaker 3: fueled by migration. Of course, my is putting up prices,
33:01
Speaker 3: which is feeling inflation. There's so many issues going on
33:04
Speaker 3: right now.
33:05
Speaker 2: Now, Look, I want to ask you about Labour's green dream.
33:08
Speaker 3: It's hit yet another hurdle with new analysis revealing no
33:11
Speaker 3: new wind farms entered construction in the first six months
33:14
Speaker 3: of this calendar year. Adam, it's getting harder and harder
33:18
Speaker 3: to keep up with the amount of delayed or scrap
33:20
Speaker 3: renewable projects in this country now.
33:23
Speaker 2: Isn't it.
33:25
Speaker 12: Now looks certainly that's right.
33:26
Speaker 2: It's been a terrible.
33:27
Speaker 12: Couple of months, I would say for the net zero zealots.
33:30
Speaker 12: I mean we've had you know, green hydrogen falling over,
33:32
Speaker 12: wind falling over. And this is despite of course, you know,
33:35
Speaker 12: multi billion dollar subsidies to these industries. You know, we've
33:40
Speaker 12: got we've got power prices that are basically triple what
33:42
Speaker 12: they were ten years ago. We've got shrinking manufacturing sector.
33:46
Speaker 12: I mean, the government's energy policy, I would say, is
33:48
Speaker 12: you know, is facing disaster. We've even got Ross Garou
33:50
Speaker 12: out there this week saying that the targets won't even
33:53
Speaker 12: be met. And yet at the same time as he's
33:55
Speaker 12: saying the targets won't be met, the government, in the
33:57
Speaker 12: next few days, as I understand it, it's going to
33:59
Speaker 12: announce even more ambitious targets, which of course will not
34:03
Speaker 12: be met. And you know, it's not just the economics
34:06
Speaker 12: of it that are failing, but you know, we've got
34:08
Speaker 12: Victorian farmers quite understandably furious that their property rights are
34:12
Speaker 12: going to be completely eroded. There's there's a billion in
34:15
Speaker 12: the Victorian Parliament the moment that will find property owners
34:19
Speaker 12: in a regional areas twelve thousand dollars. I believe if
34:22
Speaker 12: they dispute the imposition of wind farms and solar farms
34:26
Speaker 12: on their property. This is a very very warring development,
34:29
Speaker 12: you know, for a country you know that supposedly embraces
34:32
Speaker 12: private property. I mean, it's you know, basically a move
34:35
Speaker 12: to full on socialism. So I hope this bill fails.
34:37
Speaker 12: But I think the broader point is you're seeing a
34:39
Speaker 12: lot more basically a lot more community pushback against these projects,
34:43
Speaker 12: and the wheels are really falling off net zero. I
34:46
Speaker 12: understand there's a superficial popularity for net zero in the public,
34:50
Speaker 12: but let's face it, the general public is pretty clueless
34:52
Speaker 12: about the economics and the tech and the technical realities
34:56
Speaker 12: of net zero because they are just fed you constantly,
35:00
Speaker 12: you know, left wing, left wing analysis in the mainstream
35:03
Speaker 12: media that you know that basically makes out this is
35:05
Speaker 12: all costless. Well, you know, it's certainly not. It's basically
35:08
Speaker 12: destroying our country, I would say, and I think the
35:11
Speaker 12: wills are falling off, which is good.
35:13
Speaker 2: Yeah, I completely I agree with you.
35:15
Speaker 3: I think people are slowly realizing the con that this
35:18
Speaker 3: net zero fantasy really is.
35:20
Speaker 2: And now I'm going to ask you about.
35:21
Speaker 3: This new poll showing Donald Trump's popularity in Australia continues
35:24
Speaker 3: to plummet, with seventy percent of voters expressing negative sentiment
35:28
Speaker 3: towards the US president. This is according to a SEC
35:31
Speaker 3: Newgate Mood of the Nation survey. Look, I know, Adam,
35:36
Speaker 3: you know during the election campaign the Coalition tried to
35:39
Speaker 3: roll out Doge policies and remember when just sent a
35:42
Speaker 3: Nampa gimper price said make Australia great again, and everyone know,
35:45
Speaker 3: oh they went up in arms. It was the biggest
35:47
Speaker 3: scandal apparently. But I mean, what do you put this
35:50
Speaker 3: anti Trump sentiment here down to?
35:54
Speaker 2: Well, look, I mean I think.
35:55
Speaker 12: I put it down to the mainstream media in Australia,
35:57
Speaker 12: which is eighty percent extremely anti j Trump. And I
36:00
Speaker 12: don't think Australians really know what's going on in the US.
36:03
Speaker 12: I mean, you know, whether they like him or not,
36:05
Speaker 12: I think is largely irrelevant. The US is our most
36:07
Speaker 12: important ally and it's really important that the government has
36:10
Speaker 12: a good relationship with Donald Trump. They obviously currently don't
36:14
Speaker 12: you know, we have one or two submarines that function.
36:16
Speaker 12: I mean, you know, we clearly depend on the United
36:18
Speaker 12: States for our defense. So I think these polls are
36:23
Speaker 12: you know, extremely annoying, irritating, I would say, but they
36:27
Speaker 12: make it harder for the government to develop that relationship
36:30
Speaker 12: with the Trump administration. I mean, if you look at
36:31
Speaker 12: actually what's going on in the US at the moment,
36:33
Speaker 12: I mean, Trump's achieving, you know, pretty extraordinary things for
36:36
Speaker 12: the US. I mean, look at the US EU trade
36:39
Speaker 12: deal just recently. I mean it was basically complete capitulation
36:42
Speaker 12: by the EU to the United States. It's a huge
36:45
Speaker 12: achievement for the US. So you know, they might not
36:49
Speaker 12: like Donald Trump, but they should certainly admire him because
36:51
Speaker 12: I mean, he's really achieving a lot for the United States.
36:54
Speaker 3: I would say, yeah, putting America first, So it wouldn't
36:56
Speaker 3: be great if we put Australia first too, in some
36:58
Speaker 3: of our Catolsophy discussions.
37:00
Speaker 2: Adam Crichton, good to catch up.
37:02
Speaker 3: Thanks very much for joining me on the show this evening.
37:05
Speaker 3: We're coming up after the break as Labour seeks to
37:07
Speaker 3: tear up prime agricultural land all in the name of
37:10
Speaker 3: net zero. Farmers have had enough of being threatened with
37:13
Speaker 3: fines if they don't allow transmission workers on their land.
37:17
Speaker 3: Victorian farmer Ben Duckson took his fight to state Parliament
37:20
Speaker 3: today and he'll join me next.
37:24
Speaker 2: Welcome back.
37:25
Speaker 3: Well, as we've been saying, farmers are collateral damage right now,
37:29
Speaker 3: caught up in labour's reckless race to renewables all in
37:31
Speaker 3: the name of net zero. In Victoria, proposed laws mean
37:35
Speaker 3: farmers will be fined more than twelve thousand dollars if
37:38
Speaker 3: they refuse to allow transmission workers onto private land.
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Speaker 2: Now.
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Speaker 3: This plan will see two hundred and forty kilometers of
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Speaker 3: new transmission lines rolled out, particularly in the west of
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Speaker 3: the state, slicing through two hundred and fifty farms, all
37:53
Speaker 3: to connect solar and wind to the grid. Well, farmers
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Speaker 3: have rightly had enough, taking their fight to state Parliament today.
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Speaker 3: One of the protesters was Victorian farmer Ben Duson, who
38:04
Speaker 3: joins me now. Ben, thanks for joining me. Good to
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Speaker 3: see you. You've all had to take time out from
38:10
Speaker 3: the land from your jobs today to tell the premiere
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Speaker 3: enough is enough.
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Speaker 2: What was your message.
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Speaker 13: Exactly that Danika, it was Enough's enough, back us into
38:21
Speaker 13: a corner and we'll come out swinging. But the Premier
38:23
Speaker 13: has doubled down and has actually said that it gives
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Speaker 13: clarity to farmers. I don't understand how it gives clarity
38:30
Speaker 13: to farmers. They already to have these laws and rules
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Speaker 13: in place here in Victoria, and now they're actually making
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Speaker 13: it so they come and compulsory acquire us by stealth.
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Speaker 13: It's real trickery and it's something that really needs to
38:43
Speaker 13: be exposed to the wider public.
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Speaker 2: Absolutely, it's trickery.
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Speaker 3: I mean, this whole net zero plan is trickery from
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Speaker 3: the beginning.
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Speaker 2: Did you get any.
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Speaker 3: Response at all from Decint to Allen today?
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Speaker 13: No, I didn't hear any of her actually telling us anything.
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Speaker 13: So we'll keep fighting for it. It's certainly a worthy cause,
39:05
Speaker 13: but it's about getting the rest of Victoria and the
39:08
Speaker 13: rest of Australia to understand what our fight's about. We're
39:11
Speaker 13: certainly not here of trying to hold back Australia's productivity.
39:15
Speaker 13: In the opposite, we want a fantastic energy policy that
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Speaker 13: lasts for the next one hundred two hundred years and beyond.
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Speaker 3: Absolutely just asking for a fair go. And I've got
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Speaker 3: to say what baffles me about this whole thing, Ben,
39:27
Speaker 3: is that reckless governments they want to carve up the land.
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Speaker 2: We're talking prime agricultural.
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Speaker 3: Land, beautiful farming land, all under the guise of saving
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Speaker 3: the land and saving the planet.
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Speaker 2: I mean, make that.
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Speaker 13: Make sense exactly. I use that quite a bit, actually, Danika,
39:45
Speaker 13: make it make sense to me, and it certainly doesn't.
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Speaker 13: And the Victorian government's own policy has come out said
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Speaker 13: seventy percent of agricultural land that they require to roll
39:57
Speaker 13: out these renewables, which is we call them replaceables. But yeah,
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Speaker 13: seventy percent, and that's just with transmission line solar and
40:07
Speaker 13: wind and battery storages. And that doesn't even count the
40:12
Speaker 13: mining that's just about to happen as well, the mining
40:15
Speaker 13: that's required for all these replaceable rollout. It's absurd to
40:20
Speaker 13: think that they think this is a great idea. And
40:23
Speaker 13: I'm sure our our forefathers will be rolling in their
40:26
Speaker 13: grave to know that such an energy rich country like
40:28
Speaker 13: Australia is actually hurtling to a crisis and it's all
40:33
Speaker 13: government caused by the government and funded by the taxpayer.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, absolutely, I mean generational farmers would be rolling right now.
40:44
Speaker 3: I mentioned in the intro there's about two hundred and
40:47
Speaker 3: fifty farms.
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Speaker 2: That are going to be impacted.
40:48
Speaker 3: They're going to be sliced up that wind and solar
40:52
Speaker 3: can be connected to the grid. What sort of an
40:54
Speaker 3: impact will that have on daily operations.
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Speaker 13: It's probably something I don't look at too much. It's
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Speaker 13: certainly it certainly would have a massive impact, especially with
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Speaker 13: the way machinery is going now. But just the rules
41:09
Speaker 13: and regulations that we're hearing that could come up out
41:12
Speaker 13: with these. You know, the machinery is getting bigger that
41:15
Speaker 13: we needed spotters and all that sort of stuff will increase.
41:17
Speaker 13: It'll carve people's farming operations up as well. So you know,
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Speaker 13: our whole message has been it doesn't have to be
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Speaker 13: this way. We've offered alternatives and it certainly doesn't has
41:29
Speaker 13: to have to end up this way. So our fight
41:32
Speaker 13: is just to stick at it, make sure that these
41:35
Speaker 13: aren't built, but make sure Australia understands while we're actually
41:38
Speaker 13: trying to fight these projects, and as I said, make
41:41
Speaker 13: it good, make it good energy policy for the next
41:45
Speaker 13: hundred and two hundred years and beyond.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, look you're not wrong, common sense coming out of
41:50
Speaker 3: Victoria from all you farmers. As always, Ben, keep up
41:54
Speaker 3: the fight. We're going to be keeping in touch with you.
41:57
Speaker 3: Thank you so much for joining me on the show
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Speaker 3: this evening.
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Speaker 13: Thanks for showing an interest in our fight.
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Speaker 2: Absolutely, that was Ben Duxon there.
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Speaker 3: He, along with many farmers, have fed up with these
42:07
Speaker 3: rules and regulations, this net zero fantasy. All their land
42:11
Speaker 3: is being carved up. Also that solar and wind.
42:13
Speaker 2: Can be connected to the greed, it's absolutely ridiculous. We'll
42:16
Speaker 2: stay with us. Still to come.
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Speaker 3: Keir Starmer signs the UK up to recognizing Palestinian statehood,
42:21
Speaker 3: while the Arab world calls on Hermas to lay down
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Speaker 3: its arms. Spiked Online editor Brendan O'Neil will join me
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Speaker 3: live from London next.
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Speaker 2: Welcome back.
42:33
Speaker 3: Let's go to the UK now and catch up with
42:35
Speaker 3: Spiked Online's chief political writer Brendan O'Neill.
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Speaker 2: Brendan, good to catch up with you, as always, thanks
42:41
Speaker 2: for joining me.
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Speaker 3: Let's start with Kio Starmer's threat to recognize a Palestinian state.
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Speaker 3: You've written that the UK Prime Minister is essentially telling
42:49
Speaker 3: Israel that unless it lays down its arms.
42:52
Speaker 2: Britain will reward its enemies.
42:54
Speaker 3: This will go down in history as one of the
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Speaker 3: most scandalous betrayals of a friend modern times. Brendan of Haman,
43:02
Speaker 3: this would be newsed to Hermasa's ears, won't it.
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Speaker 14: It's unbelievable what Starmer has done this. I think this
43:10
Speaker 14: is one of the dumbest and most dangerous things a
43:12
Speaker 14: British Prime minister has done in many, many years, because
43:15
Speaker 14: he's essentially blackmailing Israel. He's saying to them, if you
43:18
Speaker 14: don't lay down your arms, if you don't agree to
43:20
Speaker 14: a ceasefire by September, we will recognize the state of Palestine.
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Speaker 14: So he's blackmailing a supposed ally, which is a really
43:27
Speaker 14: repulsive thing to do. But even worse than that, he's
43:30
Speaker 14: incentivizing her mass to carry on with its barbarism, to
43:33
Speaker 14: carry on with its war, because her mass now knows
43:36
Speaker 14: that if the war carries on until September, the United
43:39
Speaker 14: Kingdom will recognize Palestine. So her mass now has a
43:44
Speaker 14: very clear motivation to carry on with its barbaric act,
43:48
Speaker 14: to carry on attacking IDs soldiers, to carry on using
43:51
Speaker 14: its force to try and starve Palestinians in order that
43:54
Speaker 14: the world will hate Israel even more. He's given a
43:57
Speaker 14: green light to this army of anti s to carry
44:00
Speaker 14: on doing what it's doing. That is an unforgivable thing
44:03
Speaker 14: for any prime minister to do against an ally like Israel.
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Speaker 9: Yeah.
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Speaker 3: Absolutely, And in the end we know her mus only
44:09
Speaker 3: wants one state, its own state, and to wipe out Israel,
44:13
Speaker 3: and that is the problem now, Brendan, I mentioned earlier,
44:15
Speaker 3: The New York Times has been forced to admit that
44:18
Speaker 3: the image of a child in Gaza that they splashed
44:20
Speaker 3: on their front page claiming that he was being.
44:23
Speaker 2: Starved to death was incorrect.
44:25
Speaker 3: They've now admitted that the boy actually has a pre
44:27
Speaker 3: existing medical condition. Brendan, there was no apology, nothing, but regardless,
44:31
Speaker 3: it's too late.
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Speaker 2: That image has now gone around the world.
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Speaker 14: You know, was it Mark Twain who said that a
44:39
Speaker 14: lie goes around the world while the truth is still
44:41
Speaker 14: putting its boots on. And that's exactly what's happened here.
44:44
Speaker 14: This lie has spread around the world, this blood libel,
44:47
Speaker 14: which says that Israel is intentionally starving people in Gaza
44:50
Speaker 14: and intentionally starving children. Look, no one doubts that there
44:55
Speaker 14: is great suffering in Gaza. How could there not be
44:57
Speaker 14: her mass brought a war to this tiny uncle, knowing
45:01
Speaker 14: full well that the civilians there would suffer enormously. There
45:04
Speaker 14: is grace suffering there, there is hunger, and there is misery.
45:07
Speaker 14: But this idea that Israel is intentionally starving people or
45:10
Speaker 14: intentionally killing children is just a grotesque lie. And I
45:14
Speaker 14: think what the New York Times did is unforgivable because
45:17
Speaker 14: it really fed into that idea that the Jewish nation,
45:21
Speaker 14: peculiar among the nations of the world, loves to kill children,
45:25
Speaker 14: loves to hurt children, loves to torture children. It spread
45:27
Speaker 14: that libel around the world, and that's a really unforgivable
45:31
Speaker 14: thing to do against Israel or against Anny nation.
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Speaker 3: No absolutely, I mean that image was splashed across papers
45:38
Speaker 3: here in Australia, to our very own Prime Minister Anthony
45:41
Speaker 3: Abenezi even reference that image, and it was all false.
45:46
Speaker 2: It was all a false.
45:47
Speaker 3: Picture, as it was from the very beginning. And it's
45:49
Speaker 3: just too it's too misleaning, it's just too it's just
45:51
Speaker 3: too late. Now now I want to ask you about
45:53
Speaker 3: these Arab countries, including Cuta, Saudi Arabia and Egypt. They've
45:58
Speaker 3: all signed onto a statement calling for her master disarm
46:01
Speaker 3: and end the rule of Gaza in a bid to
46:04
Speaker 3: end that war. I was quite surprised by this. What
46:08
Speaker 3: do you make of this from the Arab countries.
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Speaker 14: Isn't it just amazing that these Arab countries, some of
46:14
Speaker 14: which are pretty extremist countries, especially Saudi Arabias, you know,
46:18
Speaker 14: not the most pleasant country in the world, let's say,
46:21
Speaker 14: but they now have a more progressive, honest, forward looking
46:24
Speaker 14: take on this war than many Westerners do. If you
46:28
Speaker 14: say to a Western leftist, I think hermas should lay
46:30
Speaker 14: down its arms and I think her Maas should surrender
46:33
Speaker 14: and release the hostages, they look at you as if
46:35
Speaker 14: you're insane. They say, no, the problem is entirely Israel
46:38
Speaker 14: stopped talking about her Mass. Now we have these Arab
46:41
Speaker 14: leaders coming out and saying what everyone else should be saying,
46:44
Speaker 14: which is that this war will end when the army
46:47
Speaker 14: that started it i e. Hamas, lays down its arms,
46:50
Speaker 14: returns the hostages, and completely surrenders to Israel. That's what
46:53
Speaker 14: will end this war. You know, these Arab leaders know
46:56
Speaker 14: something that Western leftists are clueless about, which is that
46:59
Speaker 14: radical Islamist anti Semitic movements like her Mass are a
47:03
Speaker 14: real problem. There's a reason that Arab countries are pretty
47:06
Speaker 14: strict on Islamist movements because they know they're quite threatening.
47:10
Speaker 14: So the fact that these countries are now more sensible
47:13
Speaker 14: on this issue than many Western leftists and many Western
47:16
Speaker 14: media outlets is shocking and people should really take that
47:19
Speaker 14: to heart.
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Speaker 3: Well, was that was going to be my next question
47:22
Speaker 3: to you, Brendan. I mean, you know, how is it
47:24
Speaker 3: that Arab countries have more moral clarity on this issue
47:27
Speaker 3: than the UK or even France for example.
47:32
Speaker 14: It isn't that just extraordinary that the UK and France
47:35
Speaker 14: are both scrabbling to recognize Palestine, even though everyone knows
47:39
Speaker 14: that that will essentially reward her mass. That will essentially
47:43
Speaker 14: say to her Mass that, you know, for killing Jews
47:46
Speaker 14: less than two years ago, for invading Israel and murdering
47:49
Speaker 14: one two hundred people, we will reward you with a state.
47:52
Speaker 14: That is essentially what Britain and France are saying. It's
47:55
Speaker 14: utterly disgusting, And yet you have these Arab nations who
47:59
Speaker 14: seem to be a bit more clued up about what
48:01
Speaker 14: a problem her Mass is and also about the fact
48:04
Speaker 14: that this war has gone on for too long. And
48:06
Speaker 14: it's right on their doorstep. They don't like it anymore.
48:09
Speaker 14: They may not be the biggest fans of Israel, but
48:11
Speaker 14: they want this to stop. And I think we should
48:13
Speaker 14: actually pay attention to those nations, which is not something
48:16
Speaker 14: I would normally say about nations like that, but they're
48:19
Speaker 14: right on this question. This war will end when her
48:22
Speaker 14: Mask stops its fighting and agrees to stop existing. That's
48:26
Speaker 14: how this war and all the suffering comes to an end.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, we're almost out a time, Brendan, but I just
48:30
Speaker 3: want to ask you, do you think now that the
48:32
Speaker 3: UK has made this move of Keir Starr's announcement today,
48:35
Speaker 3: do you think it will spur on allies like Australia
48:37
Speaker 3: to follow suit.
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Speaker 14: It might well do, and that worries me enormously. I
48:43
Speaker 14: think something we have to look out for is the
48:45
Speaker 14: West's abandonment of Israel, because I do think that's coming. Thankfully,
48:49
Speaker 14: America is still standing by Israel, but other nations are
48:52
Speaker 14: turning their back on it, and in its darkest hour
48:54
Speaker 14: when it needs our support more than ever. I think
48:57
Speaker 14: that's an unforgivable thing to do. And what Starmer has
48:59
Speaker 14: done is a form of appeasement. This is his Neville
49:02
Speaker 14: Chamberlaine moment, where he's banging down to a fashist army
49:05
Speaker 14: and betraying a friend.
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Speaker 3: No, your spot on as always, Brendan, and you will
49:09
Speaker 3: always enjoy catching up with you. Thank you very much
49:10
Speaker 3: for joining me on the show this evening. Thank you
49:13
Speaker 3: for your company. I'll be back again tomorrow night. Stay
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Speaker 3: with us. Paul Murray is next.
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Speaker 2: Good Night,