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Triston Patrick - Ascend Athlete Head Coach - Gives us the Perspective on the Season from a Coach · Clydesdale Media Podcast

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what is going on everybody we're back
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We are back doing interviews.
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We've done some shows
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consistently throughout the year,
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but it's been a little
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break since we've done some interviews.
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And I wanted the first one
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back to be with a friend.
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And so I called my good buddy Tristan up,
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texted you, said, hey,
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you want to jump on?
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You said, sure thing.
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We got delayed a little bit,
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but here we are.
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We made it.
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We made it.
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So I wanted to be a friend
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because this is truly,
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other than Masters athletes,
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my first interview since
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the CrossFit Games.
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And that has been five months.
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Crazy.
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Yeah.
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For a guy who was doing,
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right before the games, five, six, eight,
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ten interviews a week to go
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to none was rough.
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I think it was needed in a myriad of ways.
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One, just to
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catch my breath a little bit, um,
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and sort some things out, uh,
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after the games in my own
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head before I asked anybody
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else about it.
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Sure.
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So, um, so how have you been, man?
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Busy as ever.
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Uh, I mean, games, you know,
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ended and then, uh,
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what masters games was right after that.
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So was out there and then came back and,
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uh,
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got married.
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Me and my now wife got married.
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Thank you, sir.
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October eighteenth.
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And then that was all during
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kind of offseason qualifier
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time and then went to Desert City,
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went to Turkey Challenge up in Colorado.
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Athletes here were doing
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some other competitions in
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Louisiana and Texas and
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then Thanksgiving and now
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kind of December's the one
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month we have to kind of,
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and relax a little bit before, you know,
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Waterpalooza, TFX, Fitness to the Coast,
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and then the season itself.
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So there's a lot in there.
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Congratulations on the marriage.
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Thank you.
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You guys have been engaged quite a while,
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right?
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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We were engaged, gosh,
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almost like two years, I think.
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We were engaged a while.
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So,
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my experience no wedding
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goes off without a hitch
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there's always something
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behind the scenes that
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happens that gives you a
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story for the rest of your
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life do you have one of
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those ours was about as
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hitchless as you could get
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I think um the only thing
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that really almost was a
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hiccup was our officiant um
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misplaced his tie
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So we had to get his tie
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delivered by his wife.
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But she made it with plenty
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of time to spare and things like that.
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So other than that, it was pretty seamless,
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though.
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Yeah, I was not so fortunate.
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When we were going from the
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wedding to the reception,
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we were to walk in through
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this like arch of stuff
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into the reception.
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I stepped on my wife's train,
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ripped her dress in the back.
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And thank goodness we
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invited the seamstress to the wedding.
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yep um as we hustled to the
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kitchen for her to get sewn
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back up super fast we could
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continue on with the
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reception that would have
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been stressful that would
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have stressed me out that
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would have been yeah no it
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was it was a lot of fun um
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it turned out really well I
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I think it was the day that
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we we both really wanted it
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to be so it was awesome that's awesome
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clearing up a couple things.
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Corey Leonard says,
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I am Tristan's favorite IG person ever.
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He might be.
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He likes to ask me some of
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the most ridiculous
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questions when I'll throw
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up my Monday little Q&A thing.
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He comes up with some good ones.
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Corey also said,
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can we get Tristan's
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mustache its own window?
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Do you like that, Corey?
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Do you like that?
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And Jamie says, no, I don't like it.
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I mean, she says hi.
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Yeah,
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I don't know how Jamie would feel
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about the mustache.
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So you mentioned a bunch in there.
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Masters CrossFit Games,
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we were there together.
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You are the coach of Jamie Latimer.
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How did this year's Masters
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CrossFit Games go?
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I mean, she crushed it.
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I was super proud of her.
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I felt like it was well run.
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The programming, I think,
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was something that we could
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have talked about earlier.
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in hindsight,
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just some of the events and
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things like that.
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I'm sure I know.
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I feel like I heard some
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people mentioned in some of
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the behind the scenes with
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like the snatch event being
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kind of who can load their
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bar faster and all those kinds of things.
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But I really enjoyed it.
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I thought it was cool.
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That was the first time I
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was really inundated in the
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masters community at a big
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competition like that.
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So I really enjoyed it,
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and I was super proud of how Jamie did.
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I think she went out there
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and performed as we knew that she could.
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Maybe not what she thought
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she was capable of,
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but I was super proud of her.
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Yeah.
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I think she surprised
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herself on a couple events,
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which was really cool to see.
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Overall,
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I thought it was the most fun I
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had doing anything in
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CrossFit was making that
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behind the scenes and
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hanging out in the back
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with a community that
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really is grassroots right
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like these people are not
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doing it for the money I
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mean there are a select few
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that are really good and
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can make a career out of it
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in the master's division
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but for the most part
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ninety percent of those
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people are there because it
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was a goal they had some of
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them have had it for
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thirteen fourteen fifteen
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years and finally made it
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come true um it was so
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inspiring and so much fun
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to hang out back there yeah
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it was a lot of fun it was it was cool
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Not that it was better or
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worse than the regular
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games or the elite athletes.
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It's just different.
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It's different.
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Very different vibe.
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It's way different.
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It's way different vibe.
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Yeah,
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Corey is going to Legends this weekend.
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Oh, nice.
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His first big competition as
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a Masters athlete.
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Good luck, Corey.
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He sucks at crossover singles.
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They have them this week at Legends.
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He texted me in a panic yesterday.
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um any advice for mr mr
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leonard on those crossovers
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uh I mean he can message me
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on instagram and I'll try
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to help him out for sure
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but general advice if you
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have to do them and it's a
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technical thing you might
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be able to bypass that if
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you just get a really long
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rope so you have a lot of
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slack to play with if
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you're tripping on your own
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rope try to get a longer
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rope but if it's a
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technical thing you might
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be able to figure it out
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Kenneth gives them the advice,
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do your best and forget the rest.
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That is sound advice.
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Yeah.
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So when I was a kid,
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I was a huge Rocky fan.
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Every time I'd watch a Rocky movie,
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I'd go out on the porch and
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I would do double unders.
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I would do crossovers.
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I would do all the stuff
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because I wanted to be like Rocky, right?
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And so the crossovers are
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one of the party tricks
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that I actually have.
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Like of all of the things in CrossFit,
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it's the one thing I can do.
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I can do reverse crossovers.
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That's impressive.
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yeah that's impressive those
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are hard really hard I mean
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that that was the stupid I
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did as a kid sure um you
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know but it's funny how
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sometimes that stuff shows
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back up again you know like
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the kids who walked on
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their hands like apparently
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that was a thing for people
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in their childhood I never
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got that memo uh me neither
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it never occurred to me to
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handstand walk but I know
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people who were like yeah I
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used to handstand walk when
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I was a kid I was like what okay
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yeah I my advice to him was
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just keep your hands low
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that is as long as you can
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keep your hands low the
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better you off you'll be
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yeah just in that it's just
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it's the long rope theory
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right exactly hands the
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longer the rope is yeah and
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really reach when you do
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the crossover yeah so then
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did you go to crash with
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jacob or did you do that from afar
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I did not because that was
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the week before the wedding.
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So he went to Crash Solo,
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and then I went to Desert
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City where Hattie was and Madison,
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and then he was at Wodgods
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that same weekend.
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Okay.
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And then I went to Turkey
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Challenge with him,
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and then Madison did that on a team,
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and then Courtney did that as well.
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okay cool um how was desert
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city because that's where
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legends was last year the
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facility is phenomenal
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facility's cool I really
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enjoyed it um it was well
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run it was on time um I
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didn't see or notice any
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crazy you know like judging
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snafus or anything like that like
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It seemed very well run.
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I really enjoyed it.
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The venue was cool.
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I'm originally from New Mexico,
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so anytime I get to go back
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to the Southwest, I'm pretty excited.
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So it was nice to be in
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Phoenix and be in Arizona.
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How was Scott Panczyk as a
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programmer for an event?
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I liked the events.
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There were two events that
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were basically predicated
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on your running ability.
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They were different to a degree,
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but there was an event with rope climbs,
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total bar, bike,
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and then it was like four
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hundred meter runs dispersed.
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And then there was another
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event that was like a back
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squat buy-in from the floor
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and then a mile for time.
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so that was a little bit
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redundant to me um but I
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liked the swim row bench
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press they had a the lift
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was interesting it was like
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certain time domain to do
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seven snatches and your
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score was total load um and
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if so if you missed you
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know you could hit another
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snatch but if you once you
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had seven reps on the board
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you were done you couldn't go heavier
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or hit another lift.
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So that was kind of different.
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A little gamesy.
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It kind of turned into a
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snatch consistency test.
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What was the other event they had?
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The other gymnastics workout
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with Chester Barr, bar muscle-ups,
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crossovers, and hands-down walk,
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and ring muscle-ups.
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That was a good event.
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I liked the programming.
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I liked that he called an audible,
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actually.
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So the last event was originally,
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it was like three rounds of
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dumbbell snatch,
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lateral burpees of the
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dumbbell and then double
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dumbbell thrusters.
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And originally it was fifty
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and thirty five across.
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And he called an audible day of.
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For the elite to do it with
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heavy dumbbell snatches,
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so seventy and fifty,
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and then they kept fifty
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and thirty five for the thrusters,
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and I really enjoyed
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I thought when I got to the weekend,
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I had thought that event
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should be programmed that way.
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So there was more separation.
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And then I talked to him
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after he was watching the RX do it.
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And he made the decision like, hey,
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we need to change this for
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the pro division, the elite division.
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And I thought that was really cool.
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So a couple quick notes here.
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Kenneth says,
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I caught Brian Friend interviewing you,
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and I was like, hey,
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that's Coach Krispy Kreme.
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I lost the shirt, and it makes me so sad.
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Need to find a way to remake that.
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I know.
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And then I was actually
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going to ask you this question.
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Did you check out Reps Ahead
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while you were at the turkey thing?
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I didn't watch it live.
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We ended up watching...
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little bit of it back at
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Madison's house after we
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left the venue I like the
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idea it's different I think
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it's a cool thing to do I
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thought this was the best
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version of it so far okay
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but I think that my take is
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they need to change up
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the movements it's getting
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repetitive already after
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just five of where there's
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a box something in the
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middle there is a barbell
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at one end and there's a
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gymnastic move on the
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barbell and I get it
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they're trying to be have a
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little bit of everything in
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it but it just seems to be
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getting repetitive that
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makes sense but yeah but I
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thought this was the best
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one yet because people were
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going for knockouts
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Yeah.
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Which makes it more dramatic.
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Right.
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And it took me all till the
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fifth one that I watched to
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understand it's based on
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like a boxing or an MMA fight.
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Like, yeah, right.
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It's a rounds and you're
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trying to get a knockout and you're like,
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and then as I saw that,
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that concept came to my head better, like,
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and I enjoyed the matches better.
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yeah yeah it's it was a
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little I I had never
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watched uh like the intro
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where they call out like
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name age height weight and
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I was like oh that's odd
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for a crossfit event but
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that's kind of like you
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said what they're going for
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so right yeah I and I love
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I love the rep counter like
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that innovation alone if it
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could be brought to
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other events where there's a
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TV screen on the floor with the reps.
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Yeah.
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Would change the freaking game for the,
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for CrossFit.
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It would be so much more
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watchable and so easy to tell the story.
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If you could see the
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person's reps in their lane.
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Right.
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Yeah.
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Cause they've never really had that live.
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They've had it on the broadcast.
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Right.
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Yeah.
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At the top mayhem classic
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tried to pull it off.
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Okay.
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Yeah.
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back in twenty twenty and it
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was successful one of the
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three days on the Sunday it
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was successful but they had
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like hellacious weather the
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weekend they were like and
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it affected all of the
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internet technical stuff
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for the weekend so I'd like
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to see it tried again but
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Rich Rich said that weekend
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that it was pretty
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expensive but he wanted to
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have the best viewing experience possible
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yeah yeah that makes sense
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um so yeah so you you get
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through all that and in in
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the meantime there's all
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these questions in the air
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as to what twenty twenty
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five is going to be hearing
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rumors hearing people going
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to try other things um
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We got an announcement, what,
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two weeks ago?
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I think so.
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I think two weeks ago today
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of what CrossFit released
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as their season.
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It lacked some detail.
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Yeah.
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And amongst this,
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there's a world fitness
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project created by Will
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Morad that's happening as well.
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We have even less details about that.
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yeah so as a coach with all
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of this stuff going on and
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rumors circulating like
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crazy what is your
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responsibility to your
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athlete during this time I
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mean I don't like to
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contribute to things that
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are going to make the
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athletes sit around and
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stress out and and ruminate
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uh I feel like most of the
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athletes in the space do
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that enough on their own
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they just sit around and
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worry about everything you
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know obviously like the
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changes every year make it
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easy to do that and the
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events of the last season
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you know kind of made the
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climate that way um so I
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stayed pretty low-key um
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you know conversations with
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people but at the end of the day we're
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We're trying to get bigger, stronger,
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faster,
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and fitter and better at the sport
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of CrossFit.
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So those things don't really change.
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As we start to get this
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information and stuff,
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there's more conversation about, okay,
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what do you want to do?
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With how these decisions
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they've made impact them
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based on their competitive
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level as an athlete.
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How do you want to approach this?
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My role is not to tell people what to do.
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My role is to guide them
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toward hopefully this
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achievement or this
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improvement in performance
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and things like that.
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But they're the ones who say
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where the boat goes.
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They're the ones who pick
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the landmark that they want
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to move toward.
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So since we've got the announcement,
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I've just been starting to
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have those kind of
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conversations with my athletes.
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you know,
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what do you want to kind of train
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for based on these changes?
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What do you feel like
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putting your time and
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energy and sacrifice into?
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And just being there to
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facilitate conversation and
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listen to them and
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illuminate other opportunities.
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There might be things like that.
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Do you foresee,
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because you have a handful of athletes,
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do you have a, do you foresee like,
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Part wanting to go one
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direction and part wanting to go another?
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Or do you see them kind of
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all heading in that same
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direction right now?
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So for me,
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the way I kind of categorize
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this in my head,
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so I coach a lot of athletes who are,
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I would say, high quarterfinals.
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And so semis bubble.
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I think for them,
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there will be more of a potential divide.
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if their goal has been to
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make a semifinal and we
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don't know any information
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about how to get to the
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in-person sanctional yet,
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so acting off the
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information they have right now,
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if the Open doesn't lead or
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isn't a requirement for the
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qualification to an in-person sanctional,
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and they don't have the
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desire to do online
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semifinals at the affiliate,
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knowing that just the
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reality is they're not
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going to be in the top
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twenty in the world, like that's just,
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you know, call a spade a spade,
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then I think a lot of those
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athletes will probably just
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potentially look for other
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competition opportunity
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some of them will still do
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the open just to do it with
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their community do it to
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throw down you know oh
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let's make sure I'm in the
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top one percent like this
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is a good benchmark to have
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but whether they want to do
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the online semis you know I
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think that just kind of
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varies person to person um
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and then I think for you
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know hattie jacob
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I actually haven't really
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dove into super intense
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conversations with them yet.
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Uh, Jacob's been doing a lot of competing.
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He's doing, you know,
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some more competing before
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the season starts.
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So it's just one of those
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things where I also feel
20:55
like I don't really want to
20:56
sit down and okay,
20:58
what's the deal until we
20:59
have more information.
21:01
Um,
21:02
Hattie's been doing some
21:03
competing as well as she
21:04
won Battle of the Barracks.
21:06
Yeah, yeah, exactly.
21:07
Second at Desert City, correct?
21:10
Yeah, yeah.
21:12
Yeah, that was a wild weekend.
21:16
So those are the people that
21:19
I'm most concerned about.
21:22
As you're hearing people declaring,
21:25
and I'm not sure, other than Emma McQuaid,
21:28
we've had a definitive
21:29
declaration as to I'm not doing the Open.
21:34
We had Pat Vellner the other day say,
21:36
probably not.
21:38
But we've had one definitive statement.
21:41
Chandler Smith put out something.
21:42
I'm not sure what it said.
21:44
Yeah, it was pretty big.
21:46
Yeah, so with...
21:51
let's go with Pat's interview.
21:53
You know,
21:53
he says that people have
21:55
Stockholm syndrome and they
21:56
think that the only way to
21:57
success is through the game season.
22:00
And I think that's easy to
22:02
say for a veteran athlete
22:04
who has done this ten times
22:06
or however many it's been
22:07
for him and has then been
22:10
given the opportunities to
22:12
do the water paloozas and
22:13
the rogues and the Dubai's
22:16
and by invitation generally
22:17
as well where he doesn't
22:18
even have to do the online qualifiers.
22:21
But in the last two game seasons,
22:24
you have coached an athlete
22:26
that nobody gave a shot to
22:27
make the games.
22:30
And they both made it.
22:32
And Kelly Baker and Hattie Canio.
22:35
What about those athletes?
22:46
I feel like at the core of
22:47
this for a lot of the
22:48
athletes that are not those veterans...
22:51
the value proposition is not the same.
23:01
To me, Pat and those athletes,
23:05
their value proposition is
23:06
different because they
23:07
truly do make a living from
23:10
going to the games.
23:12
Whereas even for athletes
23:13
who are striving to reach
23:14
for the CrossFit Games for
23:15
the first time,
23:17
if they're not a crazy
23:19
social media influencer,
23:21
they are doing it for the
23:22
achievement of making the CrossFit Games.
23:25
And that is an achievement
23:27
because the CrossFit Games
23:28
has name and legacy and prestige.
23:31
And, you know, it's the UFC of our sport.
23:34
It's the NFL, right?
23:36
It's, you know,
23:37
insert whatever analogy you want.
23:40
So I think for them,
23:45
the value proposition is,
23:48
doesn't change in the same
23:50
way it's just still the
23:52
conversation of is this a
23:55
game you is this a format
23:57
you want to participate in
23:59
right like do you want to
24:01
do this online thing or go
24:03
to this sanctional that you
24:04
have to win right to
24:06
qualify for the games now
24:07
everything's worldwide or
24:08
do you want to see
24:09
competition opportunity
24:10
elsewhere and I don't
24:15
I don't have a lot of faith
24:17
that online semifinals will be fair.
24:21
I just don't like, and it's not like I'm,
24:24
I'm super excited about the
24:25
judging thing.
24:26
You know, the increased judges course,
24:28
the public video, the review,
24:29
all that stuff.
24:29
You best believe I'm going
24:30
to be on YouTube.
24:31
You know, like I'm one of those guys.
24:33
I will sacrifice my time to do my part.
24:36
But at the same time, I,
24:40
they don't have a track
24:40
record that inspires me
24:41
very much with that.
24:42
Right.
24:43
So,
24:47
And not to speak for him,
24:49
but another slight
24:51
difference in this case is
24:52
somebody like Jacob.
24:54
Jacob outperforms by an
24:56
average of twenty percent in person.
24:59
I've literally done the math.
25:02
So the online semifinal thing,
25:04
we can do it.
25:06
Sure.
25:07
He's not ignorant to the
25:10
fact that his raw fitness
25:11
is probably not in the top
25:12
twenty in the world,
25:13
let alone in an online setting yet.
25:16
So for him, like I said,
25:18
not to speak for him,
25:19
but I venture to say we'll
25:21
be very focused on trying
25:23
to get to an in-person sanction,
25:24
whatever that looks like.
25:27
Before we move on from that little piece,
25:33
would it make you feel
25:34
better if you knew what
25:35
that sanctional piece was?
25:37
Like right now, we have no idea.
25:40
We don't even know a number.
25:41
We don't even know locations.
25:44
We know nothing about that sanctuary.
25:46
If you knew what it took to get there,
25:49
when they were and where they were,
25:51
would it help you to think
25:53
about the season better?
25:57
Sorry, my dog is freaking out.
26:02
Yes,
26:04
it would make me feel better in the
26:05
sense I'm a planner.
26:07
And I like to be able to
26:10
roadmap things and plan
26:11
things and back plan from
26:12
the date we need to be
26:13
ready to go and have those conversations,
26:16
start to figure out what
26:16
the competitive field is
26:17
going to look like, travel.
26:18
All of this, as far as we know,
26:21
or at least from the wording is used,
26:22
seems like it's going to be
26:24
worldwide now.
26:25
So what sanctional do we go to?
26:31
Is it open?
26:33
Like, you know, all of those questions.
26:35
So I think it'd be nice if we had some,
26:38
it'll be nice when we get
26:38
some clarity on those
26:39
things to start to put
26:41
together a roadmap and an
26:42
idea for the season.
26:44
I think that is probably the
26:45
best change is I think we
26:47
have scrapped the regions.
26:51
Pros and cons, I guess.
26:53
But I'll be very curious how
26:56
they're going to
27:01
how are you going to send
27:02
people where right like I
27:03
just we just don't know
27:04
like is it I I will be
27:07
surprised if you can go to
27:09
an online or a an in-person
27:10
sanctional without having
27:12
to do the open I agree so
27:18
are you then funneling
27:20
people from the top one
27:22
percent to these or do they
27:24
have to do another
27:25
qualifier to make it for the event itself
27:31
So my original guess was
27:33
that they would use your open score to,
27:38
to,
27:39
and then you sign up and they
27:40
determine based on your finish,
27:43
if you are the top,
27:45
whatever they're taking for that,
27:48
who have signed up.
27:50
Okay.
27:51
So if that's the case,
27:54
it would only make sense
27:55
that they're still going to
27:57
use geography.
28:01
to I don't think they are so
28:04
but so then how does that
28:05
sensically make sense if
28:07
okay so jacob or hattie or
28:09
whoever you know does the
28:11
open and they're in the top
28:13
whatever percent and then
28:15
they get an email and they
28:16
say hey congratulations you
28:17
can either participate in
28:19
the online semi-final and
28:21
if you'd like to go to an
28:22
in-person uh sanctional
28:24
you'll be going to torian pro
28:28
I don't think they're going
28:29
to tell you where to go.
28:31
I think that the sanctionals will be,
28:33
and it'll be just like,
28:37
here are the seven sanctionals.
28:41
You are open to go to any of those seven.
28:43
You can go to all seven.
28:46
I wonder, I guess it's just the numbers,
28:48
because my head at that point then thinks,
28:51
do you run into a potential
28:53
issue where some sanctionals
28:56
are not even able to take
28:59
however many people are
28:59
trying to attend right
29:03
right so that's that's kind
29:05
of my head was thinking
29:06
about that and um yeah
29:09
jamie's with me go wherever
29:10
you want all if you want
29:12
yeah and I mean look let's
29:15
not get it twisted if
29:17
that's what it is I'm
29:21
getting jacob a plane ticket to africa
29:25
Like, sorry.
29:27
Right.
29:27
But I think you would be
29:30
like three others doing the same thing.
29:32
Sure,
29:32
but that's a lot less than the
29:34
fifteen that are going to
29:35
be at each one in North
29:36
America and the thirty that
29:37
are going to be at the one in Europe.
29:40
Right.
29:42
And if that's how they do that,
29:43
then that's fine.
29:43
I just think it'll be
29:45
interesting if they leave
29:46
that completely
29:47
laissez-faire to see if you
29:49
end up with a sanctional that's like,
29:51
Holy crap.
29:52
We have so many people that we can, we,
29:56
we have to try to send
29:57
these people somewhere else
29:58
because all of these athletes, you know,
30:01
don't want to go.
30:01
And we could probably go
30:02
back through the
30:02
leaderboard of like say
30:05
quarterfinals worldwide and see like,
30:08
okay,
30:08
Europe may have a problem because
30:11
they had a significant number of,
30:14
Athletes that did very well
30:16
in quarter like in that top
30:17
one percent right in
30:19
quarterfinals or something.
30:20
Yep.
30:20
So it'll just be interesting
30:21
from a numbers perspective.
30:22
I'm curious to see how that goes out.
30:25
Yeah.
30:25
And, you know,
30:28
if you read the
30:29
documentation from CrossFit,
30:31
some sanctionals will
30:32
qualify to some will qualify one.
30:36
But with no explanation as
30:38
to what that standard is to
30:40
make you a one or two.
30:42
Yeah.
30:43
Well, and I mean,
30:44
we're going to be right back in what,
30:46
twenty nineteen or twenty twenty with.
30:48
We're going to be right back into like,
30:49
well,
30:50
like the programming of this
30:52
sanctional and the field of
30:54
that sanctional and.
30:56
I'm sure we'll potentially end up,
30:58
because there's going to be
30:59
somebody who does online semis, makes it,
31:01
and goes to a sanctional to
31:02
win some cash money,
31:03
and then we're going to be
31:04
backfilling again and that whole thing.
31:08
The seventh place person is
31:09
going to qualify because
31:10
the top six already have
31:11
their qualification.
31:12
Right.
31:13
Yeah.
31:15
The good news for me is, as a podcaster,
31:18
that gives us a lot to talk about.
31:19
Yeah, that's true.
31:22
We will not be starving for content.
31:24
when all that is going on.
31:27
Corey says,
31:28
go back to the doc when Vellner
31:30
wasn't really sure how he
31:31
qualified because it was so convoluted.
31:34
I don't think it'll be as bad.
31:36
Well, there won't be thirty of them,
31:39
right?
31:42
Yeah, it's just it's.
31:45
It's different again.
31:48
Yeah, OK, so.
31:53
So it sounds to me like if
31:54
your athletes are doing the season,
31:57
you would prefer to do an
31:59
in-person sanction.
32:01
Because they perform better in that.
32:03
And it's really just a case
32:04
by case on the athlete who
32:06
performs better in person,
32:08
who does better online.
32:10
Yeah.
32:11
And where do you want to roll your dice?
32:16
Right.
32:17
Do you want to roll your
32:18
dice with video review or
32:19
do you want to roll your
32:20
dice with the one random
32:23
judge who hammers you with
32:24
no reps at the wrong time in person?
32:28
Where are you going to hedge your bet?
32:30
And the other thing, again,
32:32
we need to get the information of dates,
32:36
times, locations, how to get there,
32:37
all that.
32:39
Because as obnoxious as it is,
32:44
maybe you try to do both.
32:47
Cause that's the best way to
32:47
hedge your bet.
32:50
Yeah.
32:51
As,
32:51
as many ping pong balls as you can get
32:53
in the hopper.
32:54
Right.
32:56
Until we know, like, is that ideal from a,
32:59
you know, performance peaking standpoint,
33:01
like all the nerdy coach
33:03
things in my brain.
33:04
Fuck no.
33:05
But until we get information,
33:08
is it off the table?
33:09
No.
33:11
Like,
33:12
there's a reality where that
33:13
might be the best decision
33:14
is to at least sign up for
33:17
both depending on which
33:19
ones in what order, you know,
33:21
like all of that.
33:23
So for a moment,
33:24
let's just slide the season to the side.
33:27
And now there's these
33:28
alternatives or just other
33:31
off season competitions
33:32
like Metcon rush and things
33:34
like that that happen in
33:36
the same vicinity as the game season.
33:39
Sure.
33:41
Are there enough of those
33:42
opportunities for your athletes who,
33:48
to be frank, are not in the Pat Vellner,
33:52
Justin Medeiros level yet, right?
33:54
That can go to any of those
33:57
they want because of their
33:58
name recognition at this point, right?
34:01
Right.
34:03
Are there enough of those
34:05
for your athletes to build confidence and
34:09
get better, race,
34:13
and maybe make some money along the way?
34:19
I think there's enough,
34:20
but I think there's also
34:22
the need and I think there will be more.
34:26
And I think what might have
34:30
been happening is a lot of
34:32
us just weren't paying attention to them.
34:37
Example.
34:38
And again, all of this exists,
34:42
like all of this exists on a spectrum,
34:44
right?
34:45
If you're Pat Vellner and
34:46
the payout's not twenty five K plus,
34:49
you're probably not interested.
34:52
Right.
34:52
If the payout's not thirty plus,
34:54
you're probably just not interested.
34:57
But depending on where
34:59
you're at as an athlete,
35:01
what your travel schedule looks like,
35:02
how much you enjoy competing,
35:03
what your real job looks like,
35:05
because you're
35:07
Most of them still have real jobs.
35:09
Right.
35:11
As an example, like Turkey challenge,
35:13
their payout for first in
35:16
elite was five K. It's not
35:21
bad for a two day call.
35:23
Yep.
35:24
Right.
35:24
They had Jacob was there.
35:26
Drake Lewis was there.
35:28
They had a couple other
35:29
decent quarterfinals guys who were there.
35:31
Kevin shoots was there.
35:32
He's been on teams a bunch of times,
35:34
been to the games before.
35:35
So it's like,
35:37
Those are small names
35:39
relative to the big names
35:40
that we all talk about.
35:42
But these other competitions
35:44
are the ones who are
35:45
potentially going to
35:46
supplement these athletes
35:49
and keep them engaged with
35:51
something to do while they
35:53
work toward the level of
35:54
prestige that gets you a
35:56
Wadapalooza invite or a –
35:58
you know, whatever invite.
36:00
So it's,
36:01
I think there's more smaller
36:02
competitions.
36:03
We may not have given, you know,
36:05
a fair look, you know,
36:07
why gods was a three K cash prize.
36:09
Like that's not bad money.
36:11
I don't remember what desert city was,
36:13
but so there's,
36:15
I think there's a disconnect.
36:16
I think there's a,
36:17
there's a big difference
36:19
between the athletes who
36:22
have been successful at this enough,
36:24
this long enough that it is
36:26
how they make their living.
36:28
They're only going to be
36:29
interested in things that
36:31
give them a really large chunk of change.
36:36
And then there's the other
36:38
cohort of athletes,
36:38
and you could say that's
36:40
low games all the way down
36:44
to low semifinals slash
36:46
high quarterfinals.
36:48
who are probably going to
36:50
find a decent value
36:51
proposition in going to
36:54
smaller uh what do you call
36:56
it the mid-major majors the
36:59
mid-majors the
37:00
up-and-coming mid-majors um
37:03
to make a couple thousand
37:05
bucks right um and and to
37:08
use those things to set up
37:09
some sort of a season as
37:12
well I I know like
37:16
I don't know a lot of
37:17
athletes at this point who
37:18
really love competing online.
37:22
I think as a community,
37:23
we've really like people
37:25
just don't love it.
37:27
We understand it as of now
37:29
is a necessary part of it
37:32
for qualification to most events,
37:34
but people want to compete in person.
37:37
They want to compete.
37:38
Let me add on to that with a question.
37:42
How hard is it going to be
37:43
to tell this year that,
37:45
who we lose in open
37:47
registrations because of a
37:50
moral decision and how many,
37:53
because they're just not
37:54
doing the online thing or
37:57
they don't have the, they,
37:59
their goal of making
38:00
quarterfinals has been
38:01
taken away or those types of things,
38:05
right?
38:05
You have this mixed bag and
38:07
we're not going to be able
38:07
to tell what the root cause
38:09
of any of that was.
38:12
I don't think there's a way
38:13
you can know unless you
38:14
send out some sort of a
38:15
blanket survey to every
38:18
email that CrossFit has in
38:20
their database somewhere.
38:22
But I agree.
38:23
I think I would expect a
38:26
decrease in open
38:27
participation to some degree.
38:30
And I think it is going to
38:32
be a conflux of people very
38:38
unhappy with how
38:40
the games was handled and
38:42
the events of the games and
38:44
people also disgruntled
38:45
about the season changes.
38:49
And some, for some people it's combination,
38:51
right?
38:52
And I feel like the
38:53
combination is a lot of those people like,
38:57
like Pat, like other people, you know,
39:00
people who are in the PFA
39:01
or leadership of the PFA or
39:03
those things there,
39:05
they're just kind of
39:06
blanket pissed off right now.
39:08
Um,
39:14
okay so now we move back
39:17
let's go back to the game
39:18
season and then we get to
39:20
the games we are cutting
39:22
from forty to thirty and
39:26
from thirty some to twenty
39:29
teams right good or bad for CrossFit
39:44
I would say I think in totality bad.
39:50
That's just my opinion.
39:56
Thirty individuals at the
39:58
games is not outlandish.
40:05
But again,
40:07
they're probably going to still do cuts.
40:10
you're gonna have thirty and
40:11
then you have twenty and
40:12
then you have like ten
40:13
people for the last two
40:14
days and I just think
40:15
you're limiting limiting
40:18
the stories and limiting
40:19
the people and limiting you
40:23
know for people who people
40:25
for the fans to cheer for
40:27
and things like that um
40:31
just to add on and maybe it
40:32
gives you something to
40:33
think about my my positive
40:36
of getting rid of regions
40:38
is for the first time we
40:40
have the opportunity to get
40:42
whatever number that is
40:43
best to the games.
40:46
Sure.
40:47
Because of regions,
40:48
people got in that really
40:50
had no business competing
40:51
against some of the elite athletes.
40:53
A couple, yeah.
40:55
So now you feel that with
40:59
everybody who did earn it,
41:03
legitimately against
41:05
everybody in the world,
41:08
And who could shake up the
41:10
leaderboard on any given event?
41:17
In theory.
41:21
So I don't like the cut from
41:23
forty to thirty.
41:24
Yeah.
41:25
Because we never gave it a
41:26
shot with a real legit forty.
41:30
I just I don't know what you
41:31
gain from thirty that you
41:33
don't have with forty.
41:36
Logistically,
41:38
it's not a crazy difference to me.
41:44
And I'm not the one on the back end.
41:45
I'm not the one planning stuff.
41:47
Just outside looking in.
41:53
The team side,
41:55
I mean... I don't have a lot
42:03
of confidence teams will be
42:04
a thing in twenty twenty six.
42:11
The only way to even go is
42:13
through the online semifinal.
42:18
And I'm hopeful,
42:19
because I was thinking
42:20
about this side thing,
42:23
but from an event perspective,
42:26
I'm hoping that the
42:28
sanctionals will run a
42:30
four-person team competition as well.
42:35
what are you going to do?
42:35
You're going to run a
42:36
competition for four heats
42:37
of individual men and women.
42:38
And that's it.
42:40
I think the idea is to do a
42:41
community event alongside it.
42:43
Well, you need that to some degree as well,
42:45
but you're going to pay for it.
42:47
Right.
42:47
Exactly.
42:48
But I, I would,
42:49
I would hope that maybe
42:51
some of them do something
42:53
in person for teams of four
42:56
and they can choose, you know,
42:58
maybe they have to do a
43:00
certain thing in the open
43:01
or an online semifinal or
43:02
they have their own company, you know,
43:03
whatever.
43:04
Um,
43:06
But I mean,
43:08
that's not a hard one to just go look at.
43:11
And again, to your point,
43:12
you will have the twenty
43:13
best teams for sure.
43:16
But Oslo only gets one now.
43:20
Right.
43:21
Five.
43:23
Yeah.
43:24
Till they go make another affiliate.
43:26
Sure.
43:27
I mean, that's what I mean.
43:29
That's what I would do if I had the money.
43:36
Somebody said it on one of the podcasts.
43:39
They're going to affiliate Rich's Barn.
43:42
Why not?
43:46
Mayhem truly only had one
43:47
representative from their main gym.
43:50
Yes, that's true.
43:50
All the other people with
43:51
Mayhem in the name do their programming.
43:54
Yeah.
43:57
Corey says,
43:57
I got to do a minicamp with a
43:59
team that's trying to make the games.
44:00
They are less than excited.
44:06
I don't know many people
44:08
I've discussed this with
44:10
that are athletes that are
44:13
really excited
44:17
unfortunately so so now
44:22
we're running out of time
44:23
as I have a meeting this
44:24
afternoon um but I want a
44:27
couple more questions
44:28
before we let you go and
44:29
that is now that all this
44:32
has been announced at this
44:33
level and there's still so
44:34
much more to get to know
44:37
It seems like there's
44:38
definitely going to be a
44:39
divide going into the season.
44:42
How big that divide is.
44:44
No clue.
44:45
Right.
44:46
But it is becoming
44:47
abundantly clear that there
44:48
are some people that are
44:49
going to go one way and
44:51
some that are going another way.
44:54
Can CrossFit survive?
44:56
Can CrossFit the sport
44:59
survive that divide?
45:03
I think so, yes.
45:05
So I put this on – somebody
45:08
asked me about that on my
45:09
Instagram story like a week or two ago.
45:12
And the way I've put it to
45:14
my athletes is the cat is
45:17
out of the bag at this point.
45:19
People like to exercise fast.
45:21
People like to see what
45:22
they're capable of.
45:23
People like to watch it.
45:24
People like to coach it.
45:26
People like to talk about it, right?
45:28
I don't – if the competitive
45:30
sport of CrossFit dies –
45:33
It's because we let it.
45:37
We are so used to CrossFit slash the NFL,
45:43
right, running this for us.
45:45
And it's been great.
45:47
For whatever reason,
45:48
whether we like it or not,
45:50
they're backing out.
45:52
They're pulling back.
45:55
So what are you going to do?
45:59
just going to let it go or like,
46:01
or are we going to figure it out?
46:03
And I think there's enough
46:04
people who care about this enough,
46:06
who like this enough,
46:07
who enjoy this enough.
46:10
And a lot of people who have
46:11
been doing this for a long time,
46:12
event organizers, coaches, you know,
46:15
brands, all of these things.
46:19
I think it will survive.
46:21
I think it'll get weird.
46:22
It's going to be weird for a
46:23
little bit potentially.
46:25
Um,
46:28
But I don't see a reason why
46:30
it has to die because of this divergence.
46:40
So I'm having a hard time myself,
46:42
like wrapping my head around this.
46:45
When I first started CrossFit,
46:46
it was two thousand eleven.
46:48
My first open was twenty thirteen.
46:50
And when I did that,
46:51
it was such a significant
46:53
step for me to even put
46:55
myself... Because there was
46:57
no scale division back then.
46:58
Right.
47:00
It was all or nothing, go do the Open.
47:04
But in some weird, twisted way,
47:07
it made me feel like I was
47:09
competing with Rich Froning.
47:10
Mm-hmm.
47:12
Right.
47:15
And I don't know if we've
47:16
lost that completely because...
47:20
so many people are dogging
47:21
on what the open is now in
47:26
the open was electric it
47:29
was everything and I felt
47:32
like I was competing
47:33
against jason kalipa and
47:35
rich froning and all of
47:37
those guys chris peeler and
47:39
even though I had no the
47:40
snowball's chance in hell
47:42
of even seeing their name
47:43
anywhere near me on the
47:44
leaderboard sure yeah right
47:47
I I don't get the sense
47:50
from my community that
47:51
that's how they feel now.
47:58
And do we need that feeling
48:00
to keep CrossFit as a sport
48:03
or is it that it's grown to
48:05
a point where we just have to,
48:10
we either have to fall back
48:11
to what we were or take a
48:12
step into something new?
48:19
That's a hard question to answer.
48:22
I think we're better off
48:24
when it's that way because
48:27
the community is involved.
48:30
And this is probably a
48:31
completely separate podcast.
48:32
I have three ideas that we
48:36
started on that we need to develop.
48:38
So I hope you're open the next month.
48:41
I am.
48:42
I am.
48:44
The athletes became what they had to.
48:49
to be successful in the
48:54
climate they were in.
48:56
I was thinking about this
48:57
because I don't remember
48:59
what I was listening to,
48:59
but somebody just kept bringing up like,
49:01
dude,
49:01
the athletes don't even train in the
49:03
gyms anymore.
49:05
You're right.
49:06
As somebody who has co-owned
49:07
an affiliate and who has
49:10
spent a lot of time in affiliates,
49:12
do you know why a lot of
49:13
athletes don't train in
49:14
affiliates anymore?
49:16
They're not allowed to do
49:17
their own programming.
49:19
in the gym when there's a
49:20
class going on or there's not space,
49:23
right?
49:24
Or the owner of the gym
49:25
doesn't want that because
49:28
it creates a divide.
49:30
And people are blaming that
49:31
on the athletes.
49:32
And I don't think that's fair.
49:35
If Rich didn't start
49:36
training twice a day and
49:37
then start blowing
49:37
everybody out of the water
49:38
and then everybody started
49:39
training twice a day to keep up with him,
49:41
nobody would train twice a day.
49:43
The athletes became what
49:45
they had to because of the
49:46
demands of the sport.
49:48
then the demands of the
49:49
ecosystem so then the that
49:51
started the removal from
49:53
the community and let me
49:54
jump on that because we
49:56
have sometimes our memory
49:58
is we think about all the
50:00
the gumdrops and rainbows
50:01
sure how many to the videos
50:05
prove it how many times did
50:06
rich work out in his dad's garage
50:09
All the time.
50:10
Right.
50:11
Like he wasn't working out at his own.
50:13
Right.
50:14
Right.
50:15
For all the training.
50:17
It's a hard thing to reconcile.
50:19
And I'm not saying like
50:21
affiliate owners or coaches
50:22
or gym owners or whatever
50:23
in the wrong for.
50:25
you know if you only have a
50:26
so many square foot gym
50:27
yeah you can't have
50:28
freaking somebody over
50:29
there with a yoke and a
50:30
sled and the the rings in
50:32
the middle of class like
50:33
it's incredibly you have
50:34
paying customers right they
50:36
get first dibs right a
50:38
hundred percent but I like
50:40
I don't think it's fair for us to say
50:44
Oh, well,
50:44
the athletes need to get back
50:46
into the community because
50:47
then that's going to impact
50:48
the gym owners.
50:49
Bottom line, right?
50:50
Like I, like I don't,
50:54
I think it is better when
50:55
the athletes are integrated
50:56
in the community in that,
50:58
in what the open was in twenty thirteen,
51:00
twenty fourteen, twenty fifteen.
51:01
I remember my first open in
51:02
twenty fifteen.
51:03
It was nuts.
51:04
Like it was just I just
51:05
remember pain and a good time.
51:07
Right.
51:08
But.
51:11
Things have changed because
51:13
the ecosystem has changed.
51:14
The sport has changed.
51:15
The athletes have changed.
51:16
The demand has changed.
51:18
So I think community
51:20
integration is probably good,
51:22
but I don't know if we can
51:24
go back to the way it was,
51:28
if that makes sense.
51:29
So I don't know if a big
51:32
step back is going to work.
51:37
so and and I agree with you
51:39
I think we're kind of at
51:41
any small small business
51:42
that grows hits a point
51:44
where they have to either
51:46
go all in and step up to a
51:48
new thing or fail and fall back right
51:53
And CrossFit,
51:55
we've said it's a niche sport.
51:56
It's not in the mainstream.
51:59
So it's still a small
52:00
business trying to figure it out.
52:03
And what is the next step?
52:05
And as we were talking,
52:06
I said there's tons of things.
52:08
As we were describing the
52:09
mid-majors and then the
52:11
water paloozas and the rogues,
52:13
when you explain that,
52:14
in my head I see the PGA Tour,
52:20
the nationwide tour.
52:21
Sure.
52:21
Yeah.
52:22
You know,
52:22
all those like different segments
52:25
of ways to advance up through the tours.
52:28
Right.
52:29
But someone has to take the
52:32
time to map out those opportunities.
52:35
Sure.
52:36
And it,
52:37
and it seems like at this point
52:39
we're just scattered into
52:40
different directions and
52:41
nobody is trying to say,
52:43
this is all the stuff we have.
52:45
If we just connect these
52:46
dots and then these dots, you have,
52:51
you have something to shoot for.
52:53
Yeah.
52:54
Right.
52:55
And I think that's another podcast.
52:57
Yeah, for sure.
52:58
Right.
53:01
But yeah, it's interesting.
53:02
So I'm going to open the
53:05
floor to you in the last five minutes.
53:10
If there's anything
53:11
overarching that's been
53:13
announced in the last month
53:16
that you feel strongly
53:18
about and that you want to share.
53:23
anything announced in the
53:24
last month that I feel
53:26
strongly about maybe one
53:36
good thing you liked from
53:38
what crossfit announced
53:40
we've talked about a lot
53:41
about the bad I like that
53:46
they didn't fire dave okay
53:50
that's a strong statement these days
53:56
I don't think that it's fair
54:00
to say that he doesn't care
54:01
about the athletes.
54:02
And I think there's a lot of
54:04
data to back that up.
54:06
Not saying he's perfect.
54:08
Oh, he's, yeah.
54:09
Not saying he's perfect.
54:12
But I don't think that's a
54:14
fair assessment.
54:16
Um, I, and I will back that up.
54:18
I was a volunteer.
54:20
I've seen that man work behind the scenes.
54:22
I've seen how meticulous he
54:24
is about everything.
54:27
He, he cares a lot.
54:31
I always know how to show it.
54:32
I think, uh, and, and I'll be,
54:35
I'll be fair to, to counter, you know,
54:39
people are going to
54:39
disagree with me on this
54:40
because I think I do have a
54:41
little bit of a, uh,
54:44
not proximity bias.
54:45
It wouldn't be the right way
54:46
to describe it.
54:47
But, you know, I was in the military.
54:49
And Dave was in the military.
54:53
He was in a leadership
54:54
position in the military.
54:55
He's been in a very big
54:56
leadership position in
54:58
CrossFit for a really long time.
55:03
I don't know... For people
55:08
to react the way they did
55:10
and say the thing... Like,
55:11
to try to put...
55:13
words in his mouth about
55:15
what happened I don't think
55:19
anybody has probably stayed
55:20
awake more nights outside
55:22
of the family than dave if
55:27
I had to if I had to guess
55:29
and again that is a
55:30
potential bias because I
55:33
understand the way that
55:35
people who are in the
55:35
military take those kind of
55:37
things when you're in a
55:38
leadership position um
55:42
But I would say another good
55:45
thing is I'm a fan of the
55:49
increased judging course
55:52
and the public video review.
55:54
I think that's a fabulous
55:56
step in the right direction.
55:58
They'll have to deliver on
56:00
that with actually
56:01
penalizing and those things.
56:04
But I like that.
56:10
I'm going to piggyback on
56:11
your Dave thing one more time.
56:13
While I've seen him work his
56:14
ass off backstage,
56:16
I have been critical of him
56:19
at times where I do think
56:22
that the sport has resisted
56:27
advancement because...
56:32
there's one man kind of running the show.
56:35
Sure.
56:36
Right.
56:37
And,
56:37
and my example to that is take rogue
56:40
and some of the innovations
56:41
that they have come up with
56:42
in the way they put on a competition,
56:46
simple thing like an,
56:48
an enhanced streaming
56:50
service that you can pay for.
56:52
Yeah.
56:54
CrossFit hasn't even looked into that.
56:56
Right.
56:57
Right.
56:58
Right.
56:59
Um,
57:01
investing money into bitcoin
57:03
and the all of a sudden the
57:05
price first goes way up
57:07
right you can see this
57:09
company over here trying
57:10
all these new things and
57:13
you can use that analogy to
57:14
football where like the xfl
57:15
wasn't great football but
57:17
they had great innovation
57:19
right right and that the
57:21
nfl had ended up adopting a
57:23
handful of things that the
57:24
xfl came up with
57:27
that were brilliant.
57:29
And when Dave makes the statement, like,
57:31
I don't watch water Palooza,
57:33
I don't watch.
57:33
Right.
57:34
Right.
57:35
Right.
57:35
You're,
57:35
you're missing out on some of the
57:37
innovations that these
57:38
other comps are coming up with.
57:39
Yeah.
57:40
Like reps ahead.
57:41
We just talked about it.
57:42
The rep counters on the, on the lanes.
57:49
That's that is where I have been.
57:52
That is where I've been critical of Dave.
57:55
Yeah.
57:55
And I think that's fair.
57:57
Right.
57:57
And it's, I mean, but I don't,
58:00
I don't think he should have been fired,
58:04
but I don't necessarily
58:06
believe that they shouldn't
58:06
have hired him help.
58:08
Sure.
58:09
I would agree with that.
58:11
Right.
58:12
And I think there's just, I mean,
58:16
there's so much that we don't know.
58:18
Um,
58:20
I, you know, there's information that,
58:23
you know, maybe if I knew,
58:24
then maybe I might would
58:26
change my mind on if Dave
58:29
should have been fired or
58:29
should have not been fired.
58:30
Right.
58:31
If we actually got the full
58:32
investigation report,
58:33
depending on what's in there.
58:34
I just think with the information we have,
58:36
that's kind of,
58:38
and I think that a lot of
58:41
people are very quick to
58:44
just become a mob mentality.
58:47
Um,
58:50
and if I was gonna say
58:51
something not related to
58:52
CrossFit that I do think I
58:53
wish and this is just
58:55
humans in general could be
58:56
better at is just waiting
58:59
before they speak um yeah
59:05
um I had a thought oh my my
59:12
last my final thought for
59:13
today because it's been a
59:14
long time since I've talked
59:15
about a lot of this stuff
59:18
The year that CrossFit
59:20
needed to come out with all
59:22
the details on their season
59:24
and come out with it in
59:25
plenty of time for people
59:27
to make decisions was this year.
59:29
Yeah.
59:32
And they have really dropped the ball.
59:35
Yeah.
59:36
Yeah.
59:36
And it's not because I can't
59:39
make my decision because
59:41
I'm going to sign up for
59:41
the Open because I believe in it.
59:44
And I want to support the
59:45
open and it will be what it is.
59:48
But there are a lot of
59:49
people coming after you.
59:51
And this was the year you
59:53
needed everything tightened up.
59:55
Yeah.
59:56
With plenty of news ahead of
59:58
time for people to make
59:59
decisions and to see that
1:00:01
there might have been a
1:00:02
slight change in the way
1:00:04
that you communicate with the community.
1:00:07
Yeah.
1:00:10
And so far that has not happened.
1:00:12
I mean,
1:00:12
we're not even getting the rulebook
1:00:13
until after the new year.
1:00:14
I'm sorry, coughed till after the win.
1:00:19
New Year.
1:00:20
Oh, wow.
1:00:22
I had responded to I think
1:00:24
CrossFit affiliates made a post.
1:00:26
And I asked something about the rulebook.
1:00:28
And I if I'm remembering correctly,
1:00:30
they said it would be after the new year.
1:00:33
So two thumbs up for that.
1:00:37
Awesome.
1:00:39
Well, Corey says,
1:00:41
Tristan is a strong dude.
1:00:43
I imagine he and I hitting a
1:00:44
workout and jamming to some Creed.
1:00:48
I do like me some Creed.
1:00:50
I don't know if I'm strong anymore.
1:00:52
I used to be a little bit stronger,
1:00:53
but I just try to stay fit
1:00:55
and healthy these days.
1:00:57
Well,
1:00:58
what I'm going to leave you with is
1:00:59
I'm really seriously
1:01:00
considering doing an
1:01:01
everyday show into the new year.
1:01:05
How I'm going to ramp that
1:01:06
up through December, I'm not sure yet.
1:01:08
But essentially, it's going to be,
1:01:10
I'm just going to jump on
1:01:10
every day at noon.
1:01:12
If any of my friends want to join,
1:01:15
they are welcome to jump in and we talk.
1:01:22
It could be any,
1:01:23
and it's going to be any topic.
1:01:24
It could be this week's Landman episode.
1:01:27
It could be the Big Ten
1:01:29
Championship going on tomorrow.
1:01:30
It could be CrossFit.
1:01:32
It could be whatever.
1:01:34
But just an everyday get
1:01:36
together with me and my
1:01:37
friends and an open invite to jump in.
1:01:42
You will,
1:01:43
you will have that open invite from me.
1:01:45
I would love to hop on.
1:01:48
So I think going into the,
1:01:49
I may do like maybe three
1:01:51
shows a week to start in December.
1:01:54
And then when we get into the new year,
1:01:56
start ramping up to five days a week.
1:01:57
That'd be cool.
1:01:58
That would be cool.
1:02:00
And that would truly be my
1:02:02
lunch hour from work.
1:02:04
Right.
1:02:04
Just spending your lunch
1:02:05
hour just hanging out.
1:02:07
Yeah.
1:02:07
And if you want to bring
1:02:08
food and we just hang out
1:02:09
and talk and whatever, it is what it is.
1:02:12
But that's the plan going
1:02:14
into the new year.
1:02:15
In addition to we'll be back to interviews,
1:02:17
of course,
1:02:18
our roundtable every Thursday
1:02:20
and our Sunday night show
1:02:21
every Sunday night.
1:02:22
But just a shoot the shit
1:02:25
show every day at noon.
1:02:28
There's plenty to talk about.
1:02:30
yeah always well thanks a
1:02:33
bunch tristan for doing
1:02:34
this um and again we do
1:02:36
have some other topics we
1:02:37
we need to expand on so
1:02:39
maybe through december
1:02:40
we'll have a couple more of
1:02:40
these shows um and with
1:02:43
that everybody have a great
1:02:45
friday uh go penn state
1:02:47
tomorrow night against
1:02:48
oregon in the big ten
1:02:49
championship game and
1:02:51
sunday is my first game as
1:02:53
a bears fan with the new
1:02:54
head coach thomas brown
1:02:56
yeah um and so I get to check that out
1:02:58
Those are things we'd be
1:02:59
talking about too.
1:03:00
Yeah.
1:03:03
But I have a big sports
1:03:04
weekend ahead of me.
1:03:05
Best of luck.
1:03:06
And I did catch the first
1:03:08
event of Dubai last night
1:03:09
at like two in the morning
1:03:10
when I couldn't sleep.
1:03:12
I did not.
1:03:12
What was it?
1:03:13
The bike?
1:03:15
It was the bike.
1:03:15
It put me to sleep pretty fast.
1:03:20
Beautiful location.
1:03:22
Beautiful location.
1:03:24
But if you can't see the meter,
1:03:27
what's the point?
1:03:29
again like reps ahead tv
1:03:31
screen that shows like what
1:03:33
the the watts are oh my
1:03:36
gosh I was like okay this
1:03:38
will get me right back to
1:03:39
bed yeah um I'll just save
1:03:43
my thoughts on that for
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another time okay with that
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hit to everybody next time
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guys thank you to everybody
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in the chat for being here
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we'll see you all then bye guys bye