Latest / Seahawks Press Pass / Head Coach Mike Macdonald Discusses The Upcoming Season Debut vs. 49ers
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- 0:00Speaker 1: It's been a minute since we've been back here together,
- 0:02Speaker 1: which is exciting. Hopefully like the new decorations or auditorium,
- 0:08Speaker 1: I think it's pretty sweet. But yeah, excited and off
- 0:13Speaker 1: to a great start this morning, and our first Wednesday
- 0:17Speaker 1: in season coming up and about an hour but yeah,
- 0:23Speaker 1: just really, I mean, look really excited. San Francisco is
- 0:25Speaker 1: a great football team. But you know, we got our
- 0:29Speaker 1: plenty of work to do this week and told the
- 0:31Speaker 1: teams today that the game will come on Sunday. Let's
- 0:35Speaker 1: have a great day to day, great day tomorrow and
- 0:37Speaker 1: keep stacking them and then go go play oursel ball
- 0:41Speaker 1: on Sunday afternoon. So just hav any division.
- 0:45Speaker 2: Of polling up right out of the gate, change anything
- 0:47Speaker 2: about the way the opener feels.
- 0:52Speaker 1: No, I mean, the first game is always gonna be
- 0:56Speaker 1: really exciting. You're doing all this work throughout the whole
- 1:00Speaker 1: offseason and then you're okay, how do we get calibrated here?
- 1:04Speaker 1: Where where are we? You have a feeling for where
- 1:06Speaker 1: you're you know what you're good at and things like that,
- 1:08Speaker 1: but you don't really know until the first game. So
- 1:11Speaker 1: you know, there's a lot of guys doing things for
- 1:13Speaker 1: the first time. In that type of atmosphere. But that's
- 1:15Speaker 1: why we practice the way we do, That's why we
- 1:17Speaker 1: train the way we do. So we're trying to simulate
- 1:19Speaker 1: those environments the best we can. So we're really just
- 1:22Speaker 1: going out there and trying to play our best best
- 1:24Speaker 1: ball on Sundays.
- 1:25Speaker 3: How much time do you spend during the off season
- 1:28Speaker 3: scouting divisional opponents?
- 1:32Speaker 1: Significant amount? Significant amount? I would say it's all it's
- 1:37Speaker 1: you kind of you work, you work through like big picture,
- 1:43Speaker 1: and then you kind of keep opening and widening and
- 1:47Speaker 1: narrowing the lens. I wouldn't say, like, hey, this day,
- 1:51Speaker 1: I do that, but it's it's a consistent you have
- 1:54Speaker 1: to you have to keep a pulse on the league.
- 1:55Speaker 1: You have to keep a pulse on your division. Those
- 1:57Speaker 1: are the guys that tie breakers come down to. Oviously,
- 2:00Speaker 1: wins the division mean a lot for your end goals,
- 2:02Speaker 1: but it's both.
- 2:06Speaker 4: There's obviously a lot of overlap in what you guys
- 2:08Speaker 4: do offensively and what they do and Shanahan Kubiak coaching
- 2:12Speaker 4: trees going back generations. What about that system? You know,
- 2:15Speaker 4: coming at from a defensive mindset like you are, what
- 2:17Speaker 4: about that offensive system is so challenging?
- 2:21Speaker 1: Well, I think I think that the principles of it
- 2:23Speaker 1: of taking stress off, letting the letting the a line
- 2:26Speaker 1: be aggressive, giving the quarterback answers to you know, quick
- 2:30Speaker 1: answers where you can play decisively is good. You know,
- 2:36Speaker 1: the condensed splits, the motions, that's really evolved over time.
- 2:38Speaker 1: That's really the NFL nowadays. And I think the interesting
- 2:41Speaker 1: thing is how these guys have put their bluep their fingerprints,
- 2:48Speaker 1: their identity on, you know, the their respective offenses, which
- 2:53Speaker 1: is really cool, you know, and it's it's probably through
- 2:55Speaker 1: a lens in a function of the people that are
- 2:57Speaker 1: on their team, you know, the personnel. You think about
- 2:59Speaker 1: the Ramsey more, I'm an eleven team, you think you
- 3:01Speaker 1: think San Francisco, you're thinking more twenty one? Are you
- 3:04Speaker 1: thinking us? Probably a little bit more multiple personnels. How
- 3:08Speaker 1: they deploy those people is really interesting. But yeah, I
- 3:13Speaker 1: think those things are common threads in dense splits. What
- 3:16Speaker 1: does that allow those offenses to do well, It's a
- 3:20Speaker 1: lot of things. I mean, the run game allows you
- 3:21Speaker 1: to count for extra hats in the box a lot
- 3:24Speaker 1: of times. It's free access in the past game, and
- 3:28Speaker 1: like the action game, it's to create some of the
- 3:30Speaker 1: same angles that you have in the run game, man, say,
- 3:35Speaker 1: access timing hats in the run game. Probably the most
- 3:40Speaker 1: those are challenges on defense like hey, how do you
- 3:43Speaker 1: how do you play these things? And when your count
- 3:45Speaker 1: changes in time, like how do you? How do you
- 3:46Speaker 1: apply your rules? And unfortunately we get a lot of
- 3:49Speaker 1: time on task that type of stuff.
- 3:51Speaker 2: Clay Koubia moving into that OC rule that you're does
- 3:54Speaker 2: that change anything about how you're evaluating what the Niners
- 3:57Speaker 2: have put on tape offensively? I know it's still Shanahan system,
- 4:00Speaker 2: but does that change anything?
- 4:02Speaker 1: It's an interesting question. I don't. I don't see I don't.
- 4:05Speaker 1: I haven't looked at it through that lens. It's tough
- 4:09Speaker 1: to tell off Like in preseason nowadays, everybody just runs
- 4:12Speaker 1: their base stuff and then you're gonna get some funk.
- 4:15Speaker 1: I mean, there's gonna be a little bit of things.
- 4:17Speaker 1: Things you're gonna pay attention to, maybe like you know,
- 4:20Speaker 1: big big shifts in philosophy, or how they're using people
- 4:23Speaker 1: or people that haven't played, maybe what positions they're playing,
- 4:26Speaker 1: things like that. But you can't put too much stock
- 4:28Speaker 1: into it, so that there's really not any sample size
- 4:31Speaker 1: for us to go off of h from this year's
- 4:34Speaker 1: you know, going into from last year. So that's that's
- 4:38Speaker 1: one of the challenges you have. And a new coordinator
- 4:40Speaker 1: like on their you know, their defense and their special teams.
- 4:43Speaker 1: It's just hard to say, hey, it's different than like
- 4:45Speaker 1: being in Week six, Hey we have a five game
- 4:47Speaker 1: sample here where they've had enough time to kind of
- 4:50Speaker 1: declare how they're going to operate, So you have to
- 4:53Speaker 1: take down account as your game plan as you call
- 4:55Speaker 1: the game.
- 4:56Speaker 3: Has that changed a lot more in the last few
- 4:58Speaker 3: years with the way teams are approaching the preseason.
- 4:59Speaker 1: Now, I think so. Yeah. I mean normally, like when
- 5:02Speaker 1: you had the you used to have the third preseason
- 5:04Speaker 1: game that you'd use, you'd use those snaps as far
- 5:06Speaker 1: as your breakdown or whenever their starters are in there,
- 5:08Speaker 1: you'd have a higher sample size. So yeah, it's definitely shifted.
- 5:11Speaker 3: Years ago, the forty nine ers were thirty first in
- 5:13Speaker 3: the NFL and early down passing rate, and then the
- 5:17Speaker 3: last few years they've reson up to thirteen. How do
- 5:20Speaker 3: you kind of separate trends that you can trust and
- 5:23Speaker 3: what's going on with a different team versus maybe aberrations?
- 5:25Speaker 3: Are the things that that cost them to change there.
- 5:28Speaker 1: Yeah, that's interesting. It's probably personnel driven. Uh probably speaks
- 5:32Speaker 1: to their confidence in the quarterback party and how well
- 5:35Speaker 1: he's playing and how decisively he plays. It's probably the
- 5:38Speaker 1: number one thing, probably driver behind it. I think it's
- 5:41Speaker 1: it's also different based on the team. You know what
- 5:44Speaker 1: type of run pass tendencies, things like that. There's you
- 5:48Speaker 1: can you can go down some deep holes now when
- 5:51Speaker 1: you're trying to research, you know whether they're going to
- 5:54Speaker 1: throw it or pass it, and those are those are
- 5:57Speaker 1: like the risks that you're weighing in your mind as
- 5:59Speaker 1: you're as you're calling games. And uh, yeah, it's interesting.
- 6:03Speaker 1: I mean that's that's We spend a lot of our
- 6:05Speaker 1: time on how you how you, how we call defenses
- 6:07Speaker 1: and how they're going to operate. But youes my exposures
- 6:11Speaker 1: with San Francisco in the last couple of years, it's
- 6:14Speaker 1: very evident how confident they are in their quarterback.
- 6:17Speaker 3: What stands out about Shanahan not necessarily the designer.
- 6:21Speaker 1: Of an offense, but just the play caller on game days, Well,
- 6:24Speaker 1: he just does a great job of keeping you off balance.
- 6:29Speaker 1: They deploy their people different than probably any other team.
- 6:33Speaker 1: So that's something that you have to It's a focal
- 6:35Speaker 1: point of how you focus on them. Uh, people don't
- 6:39Speaker 1: do conventional things out of their form out of like
- 6:41Speaker 1: their respective formations. Mean, McCaffrey's are great, you know, use check.
- 6:45Speaker 1: Those guys are great examples of moving They had depot
- 6:48Speaker 1: great examples of how they use their people in unorthodox manners.
- 6:51Speaker 1: You know. So, but he does a great job. I
- 6:54Speaker 1: mean the stats prove it, the tape, the tape proves it.
- 6:56Speaker 1: The discipline club, they played tough, they play physical, they
- 7:01Speaker 1: do a lot of great stuff.
- 7:02Speaker 4: How's Tory Horten doing?
- 7:04Speaker 1: Still great? It's still great.
- 7:06Speaker 4: You expect him to be full or limited ramp up
- 7:10Speaker 4: or do you know what.
- 7:12Speaker 1: We'll see We'll see today on how he ends up being.
- 7:18Speaker 1: I guess described his practice participation.
- 7:21Speaker 3: When you look back at a defensive game that you
- 7:24Speaker 3: felt went well, how often is it the game plan
- 7:27Speaker 3: you had going in that you think you credit that
- 7:29Speaker 3: to versus adjustments.
- 7:31Speaker 1: You make during the game. Well, I think initially the
- 7:33Speaker 1: function if we can go in with a very simple,
- 7:36Speaker 1: clear objective of what we're doing, that get that helps
- 7:38Speaker 1: us get off to a fast start. But the NFL
- 7:40Speaker 1: these days you have to do You have to do
- 7:42Speaker 1: a great job at diagnosing of Hey, this is what
- 7:44Speaker 1: they're trying to attack, this is what we're playing. Well,
- 7:46Speaker 1: those are the things that we need to avoid. You're
- 7:48Speaker 1: not gonna be perfect starting games out record shows that
- 7:52Speaker 1: we're not perfect starting games trying to be better. But uh,
- 7:57Speaker 1: it's both. It's it's it's how you start the game.
- 7:59Speaker 1: The clarity can you start fast? And that's not just
- 8:04Speaker 1: like whether or not you're in right places, it's you know,
- 8:05Speaker 1: guys being There's a lot of things that go into
- 8:07Speaker 1: how you start a game, how well your guys are playing,
- 8:09Speaker 1: how well they execute, et cetera. But it's a lot
- 8:12Speaker 1: of I would say it's there's decisions that are made
- 8:15Speaker 1: throughout the game too that are critical and how well
- 8:17Speaker 1: you end up closing games out.
- 8:19Speaker 3: You need to see how you China doesn't practice this
- 8:21Speaker 3: week to know if he's where he's gonna be for Sunday.
- 8:23Speaker 1: Or Yeah, we'll just kind of like Chinna's situation play
- 8:27Speaker 1: itself out right. Now, back to the starting with games.
- 8:30Speaker 4: Do you tend to simplify and let the guys do less?
- 8:38Speaker 1: I wouldn't say so. I don't want to call it
- 8:40Speaker 1: like it's me it's simplifying, is more if you rephrase
- 8:44Speaker 1: that like clear what we're trying to achieve, what we're
- 8:47Speaker 1: calling that's that's we want to be really clear to
- 8:50Speaker 1: start the game. But we're not gonna We're gonna do
- 8:54Speaker 1: what we do.
- 8:56Speaker 3: For the most part, guys created more on the blow
- 9:00Speaker 3: pressures then most teams in the league last year, and
- 9:02Speaker 3: against the forty nine ers, you got a particularly high
- 9:04Speaker 3: rate of unblocked pressures.
- 9:06Speaker 1: Does that mean like rushers that weren't accounted for or
- 9:09Speaker 1: guys that won rushes? So is it boh, sorry, guys
- 9:13Speaker 1: that had no blockers that there was no there was
- 9:15Speaker 1: no one accounting for.
- 9:16Speaker 3: To block them. Okay, So are all pressures created equal?
- 9:21Speaker 2: You know?
- 9:22Speaker 3: Pressure that way versus pressure?
- 9:23Speaker 1: I think that that's a little bit of a I mean,
- 9:25Speaker 1: it sounds cool, it sounds like we're doing cool stuff,
- 9:28Speaker 1: but like I think it's a little misleading because the
- 9:34Speaker 1: quarterbacks know when there's un block guys and if they
- 9:37Speaker 1: have answers for it a lot of time that might
- 9:40Speaker 1: not be the best thing for that situation. So sometimes
- 9:43Speaker 1: it is. The better play is designing something where you
- 9:47Speaker 1: can create a matchup or create a movement where you're
- 9:49Speaker 1: gonna win and the quarterback thinks he has time, and
- 9:52Speaker 1: it's really a function situation and the play that the
- 9:55Speaker 1: offense is in. So it's cool to have guys and
- 9:58Speaker 1: put pressure on quarterbacks be the clock up that. There's
- 10:00Speaker 1: definitely a time and a place for that, and there's
- 10:02Speaker 1: a time and place for Russian coverage or simulators or
- 10:07Speaker 1: five man pressures where you're anticipating getting blocked and then
- 10:10Speaker 1: you're trying to take advantage of how they're gonna block you. Protocol, yes,
- 10:16Speaker 1: him clearance. Yeah, well we'll see how the protocol goes.
- 10:21Speaker 2: When it comes to your run game, what do you
- 10:23Speaker 2: like about where it is coming out of the preseason.
- 10:28Speaker 1: Well, it's it's hard to judge. Off of the latest
- 10:31Speaker 1: exposure in Grant City. I felt like we we that
- 10:34Speaker 1: was the run game that we envisioned. For the most part,
- 10:37Speaker 1: Green Bay felt like we could have ran in a
- 10:39Speaker 1: little bit better in some spots. I think our practices
- 10:42Speaker 1: have been on point sharp. So you know, today's a
- 10:45Speaker 1: big day to kind of get a feel for we're at.
- 10:47Speaker 1: But the guys are confident, Uh, just like I do
- 10:51Speaker 1: feel like we continue to stack and move forward, which
- 10:54Speaker 1: is which is all you can ask for at this
- 10:56Speaker 1: point in this season.
- 10:57Speaker 2: You mentioned that things are still getting calibrated and we
- 10:59Speaker 2: want given all the unknowns. Does that change anything about
- 11:02Speaker 2: the play calling or how you set up the game
- 11:04Speaker 2: plan for Week one in particular?
- 11:07Speaker 1: Yeah, sure, we want to. We wanna if you, if you,
- 11:11Speaker 1: if you, if you practice stuff from April to August
- 11:15Speaker 1: thirty first, then you say September one, All right, guys,
- 11:18Speaker 1: we're gonna we're gonna take a right turn here and
- 11:20Speaker 1: we're gonna go operate over here because it might be
- 11:24Speaker 1: the best, you know, because these team operates a certain way,
- 11:27Speaker 1: Like I think you're jacked up. You know you gotta
- 11:29Speaker 1: you gotta keep it and you gotta keep it in
- 11:31Speaker 1: your in your in your wheelhouse, so to speak. So
- 11:36Speaker 1: of course you're gonna of course you're gonna have wrinkles
- 11:38Speaker 1: and things that are towards the other team. But our
- 11:40Speaker 1: philosophy is we want to we want to throw our
- 11:42Speaker 1: fastballs as much as we can.
- 11:44Speaker 5: In uh, in adjusting or analyzing how you did stuff
- 11:47Speaker 5: last last year and maybe making changes for this year,
- 11:50Speaker 5: did you alter anything about your week in terms of
- 11:52Speaker 5: how you spend your time for a game week.
- 11:55Speaker 1: I think it's the same sequence of things, Mike, but
- 11:57Speaker 1: I think it's uh expedited where we're trying to get
- 12:01Speaker 1: the solutions quicker so we can get to that end
- 12:03Speaker 1: of the week and have a little bit more clarity
- 12:06Speaker 1: earlier in the end of the week, which is a challenge.
- 12:08Speaker 1: I mean, there's a lot of responsibilities for head coaches
- 12:11Speaker 1: on Mondays and that comes with the territory. So that's
- 12:14Speaker 1: something that you have to be able to work through
- 12:15Speaker 1: and count on your staff to hope us a great
- 12:20Speaker 1: ideas and set the table for you so when you
- 12:21Speaker 1: start meeting together, you can make decisions quicker. And I
- 12:23Speaker 1: think I think we're on that track.
- 12:25Speaker 3: There's a pretty big disparity between home and road records
- 12:27Speaker 3: last year. I'm curious when you look back at that,
- 12:29Speaker 3: how much of that do you credit the opponents versus
- 12:32Speaker 3: anything you guys could control to change that up.
- 12:34Speaker 1: Well, we spent a lot of time studying it, and
- 12:37Speaker 1: we're we're mean, we're constantly we're squeakers, you know, we're
- 12:41Speaker 1: kind of we say, chasing edge. We're always trying to
- 12:43Speaker 1: figure out what's the best way to do stuff. So
- 12:46Speaker 1: I mean, we're tweaking our our way schedule too, we're
- 12:48Speaker 1: treating our We've looked at our home operation from Friday
- 12:53Speaker 1: to Sunday as something is different, as like how do
- 12:57Speaker 1: we get the guys to eat more frequently? Like how
- 13:00Speaker 1: do how can we how can we help control that?
- 13:02Speaker 1: I mean those we're kind of looking at everything. So, yeah,
- 13:06Speaker 1: there's definitely stuff that we've changed, but it's not again,
- 13:09Speaker 1: it's not like wholesale shifts. You know, you're you're and
- 13:13Speaker 1: I say, moving and shaking all the time about hey,
- 13:15Speaker 1: what's what's just the best for us in this team?
- 13:18Speaker 1: So yeah, we're making those decisions all the time, especially
- 13:20Speaker 1: at home.
- 13:22Speaker 3: Do you ask the team leaders or input play what's
- 13:24Speaker 3: the player input on those changes?
- 13:27Speaker 1: Uh? You know, Actually I got some great feedback. Hey,
- 13:30Speaker 1: they say they they can encourage me to say whatever
- 13:33Speaker 1: you feel like we need tell us, tell us on
- 13:35Speaker 1: that and we'll do it. So they've they've been awesome,
- 13:38Speaker 1: which is normally it's a little different than how you
- 13:39Speaker 1: normally operate. Normally, you kind of give them a couple
- 13:42Speaker 1: options and they picked the best one, or you run
- 13:44Speaker 1: it by them first. But they encouraged me to just
- 13:46Speaker 1: make the decision on this one.
- 13:47Speaker 3: Did they changing your pregame routine that you guys are doing.
- 13:50Speaker 1: Yeah, that's part of it. Yeah, absolutely, Yeah, it's been
- 13:52Speaker 1: it's been fun like that. I mean, what you guys
- 13:56Speaker 1: have great feedback, guys, guys really like it. What was
- 13:59Speaker 1: the main perpose? I mean, I can't share the secrets, Bob.
- 14:03Speaker 1: I mean there's there's some there's reasoning behind it. You know,
- 14:07Speaker 1: there's we've done studies on other other sports and studies
- 14:11Speaker 1: about like high performance and what allows you to you know,
- 14:15Speaker 1: be at your best as soon as possible, and that
- 14:17Speaker 1: that's that's those are the things that went into those decisions.
- 14:21Speaker 3: Do you have a leadership council like you had last
- 14:23Speaker 3: year and how much has that changed from who's on
- 14:25Speaker 3: it last year?
- 14:27Speaker 1: It's changed pretty big turnover. I mean the usual suspects,
- 14:31Speaker 1: the vets that were here, you know, the the Leo's,
- 14:34Speaker 1: the Jay Reeds of the world, they're still there. But
- 14:37Speaker 1: there's it's it's a young group and it's really cool.
- 14:39Speaker 1: I mean, we had a young football team, so you
- 14:41Speaker 1: can be in year two or you can be in
- 14:42Speaker 1: year ten. We kind of look at it through the
- 14:45Speaker 1: same lens. But it's been an awesome group there there,
- 14:47Speaker 1: they've been phenomenal.
- 14:49Speaker 4: Lines of veteran leaders. Cooper Cup obviously we've fall seen
- 14:52Speaker 4: the numbers and the production over the years. What does
- 14:54Speaker 4: he bring just like kind of whether it's in the
- 14:56Speaker 4: locker room or in the meeting room, Like, what does
- 14:58Speaker 4: he bring with this team?
- 15:00Speaker 1: I mean, credibility, credibility, A great football player. The probably
- 15:08Speaker 1: the unspoken thing is he's been he's been around the
- 15:11Speaker 1: block and he's seen it done at a high level,
- 15:13Speaker 1: and he has and he has he's an independent thinker,
- 15:15Speaker 1: so he's he's kind of like I just love that
- 15:18Speaker 1: mentality of hey, like, I know we do it like this,
- 15:20Speaker 1: but why can we tweak it or can we make
- 15:21Speaker 1: this little better? I've seen it like this and so
- 15:24Speaker 1: but it's always coming through a lens of respect and
- 15:26Speaker 1: trying to do it the best way. And I think
- 15:28Speaker 1: as a coach, if you have the same mentality, you
- 15:30Speaker 1: can come up with some really great solutions. And I
- 15:33Speaker 1: feel like we've done that several times since he's been here.
- 15:35Speaker 1: So he's been an asset to me, he's been an
- 15:37Speaker 1: asset to Clint, he's been an asset to our offense,
- 15:39Speaker 1: and he's been an asset to our football team. The
- 15:42Speaker 1: tweaks that you've made to like your operation is that
- 15:44Speaker 1: did you seek the feedback from the leadership council or
- 15:46Speaker 1: the team as a whole the operation like the on
- 15:50Speaker 1: the like going into the weekend. Yeah, we just let
- 15:53Speaker 1: him know we were looking into it, and then once
- 15:54Speaker 1: we started to come up with ideas, we ran it
- 15:56Speaker 1: by him. And they've been on board.
- 15:59Speaker 5: And your talks with uh Shirm mic Rob Marshaw and
- 16:02Speaker 5: the podcast stuff, they were interviewing you, But did you
- 16:04Speaker 5: learn anything about them that you had?
- 16:06Speaker 1: Now, it's weird for me to be on a podcast,
- 16:11Speaker 1: not gonna lie like I mean here, you know me,
- 16:15Speaker 1: I'm not like, I'm I'm pretty awkward. Like you know,
- 16:17Speaker 1: you got a camera going, You're so it's once you
- 16:20Speaker 1: kind of get past the fact that you're just having
- 16:21Speaker 1: a conversation. Uh, hopefully there's some like but I was
- 16:26Speaker 1: thinking a lot about that initially in the conversation. So,
- 16:29Speaker 1: but I mean talk about just how luckier we how
- 16:31Speaker 1: fortunately we have these Seahawk legends, you know, Hall of
- 16:35Speaker 1: Fame guys that are invested in our team. You know,
- 16:38Speaker 1: I want to spend time with us, and and I
- 16:41Speaker 1: was really impressed by Like normally I was revetting to
- 16:43Speaker 1: go on and kind of like shoot the breeze with them,
- 16:45Speaker 1: but you could tell they've done their homework. They like thought.
- 16:47Speaker 1: I thought the questions were like incredibly thoughtful and insightful,
- 16:50Speaker 1: and shoot, I want to I want to go on
- 16:53Speaker 1: there and hear what like Marshawan thought about stuff. You know,
- 16:55Speaker 1: I want to know what shirm thinks about certain things.
- 16:57Speaker 1: So hopefully that came through. But yeah, that was a
- 17:00Speaker 1: lot of fun tyres Knight.
- 17:02Speaker 5: Do you anticipate him being a full participant.
- 17:05Speaker 1: Today, Uh, it'll it'll be either full or not. We're
- 17:12Speaker 1: not he'll practice. Yeah, it's like last year. We had
- 17:25Speaker 1: the same conversation last year. All right, thanks