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Adding to the Kiss List · The Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous Podcast

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  Speaker 1: This is the Benn and Ashley I Almost Famous podcast
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  Speaker 1: with her radio. Hey guys, and welcome to the Almost
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  Speaker 1: Famous Podcast. It's Ashley and then there's that guy. Hey,
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  Speaker 1: I'm here. Hey Hey. So first we're gonna run down
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  Speaker 1: some bachelor headlines. Then we have got some interviews with
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  Speaker 1: one Pablo's girls, and Heather Martin, who is a she's
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  Speaker 1: got a hot guy in a music video. We gotta
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  Speaker 1: ask whether she has kissed this hot guy, and she's
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  Speaker 1: she's added one to you know, what do you call it?
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  Speaker 1: Not the mini she's had it added one to, not
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  Speaker 1: the many of who she's kissed, the list or what
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  Speaker 1: they call it, the bed the bedpost notch, but like
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  Speaker 1: in in Heather, in my world, it's the kiss notch
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  Speaker 1: because like I one time, you know, I had a
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  Speaker 1: kiss list. At one point, you would have a kiss list.
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  Speaker 1: You would definitely have a kiss list. Actually that's what
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  Speaker 1: I was really proud of it. I was like, all
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  Speaker 1: these guys are hot, Ashley, You're one of a kind
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  Speaker 1: and I love you for it. Um head. There's also
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  Speaker 1: on a trip right now with Hannah Brown, so maybe
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  Speaker 1: we can get some details about what they're doing, why
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  Speaker 1: they're together, and what it is that they're experiencing on
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  Speaker 1: this Girl's retreat, Ashley. Before we bring on all our
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  Speaker 1: our guests, we do have to break down this week's
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  Speaker 1: good episode and also the Bachelor headlines, because there is many,
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  Speaker 1: So let's just dive in. The very first topic is
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  Speaker 1: one that we've been hinting at, you know, wondering about.
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  Speaker 1: Bachelor Nation has been up in arms about and wondering
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  Speaker 1: what is going on. It's Becca Koufferin and Garrett have
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  Speaker 1: officially now announced that they ended their engagement. Uh. We
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  Speaker 1: do think that all signs were pointing to this, however,
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  Speaker 1: we just hadn't gotten clarity. But now we can confirm
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  Speaker 1: that this has happened. So I want to read the
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  Speaker 1: quote that Becca put out there. She said, after many conversations,
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  Speaker 1: we came to this decision. It wasn't something that just
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  Speaker 1: arrived one night. It wasn't based solely off one instag,
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  Speaker 1: gramdpost or somebody else's opinions or comments. There's much more
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  Speaker 1: to it. To any relationship, There's lots of layers and
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  Speaker 1: it's not for me to divulge the details. It's no
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  Speaker 1: one's business other than what I am telling you right now. Um.
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  Speaker 1: But that being said, we have to analyze it a
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  Speaker 1: little bit. Right. So I haven't seen Becca since February,
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  Speaker 1: but you are way closer to her. You were on
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  Speaker 1: the road with her for almost a month. Do you
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  Speaker 1: mind me asking you, Ben, if you think that they
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  Speaker 1: would still be together if it weren't for what went
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  Speaker 1: down in June. It's so hard and I have to
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  Speaker 1: take her words for it, right, like, I can't assume
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  Speaker 1: in anything more than that. Uh, it was a lot
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  Speaker 1: leading up to it, and I think in relationships you
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  Speaker 1: can always point to there's gonna be conflict, and there's
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  Speaker 1: gonna be things that your partner does that you don't
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  Speaker 1: agree with. Um. If it is a healthy relationship, then
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  Speaker 1: you make those things work, You work through them, you
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  Speaker 1: talk about you come to compromise on him. If it
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  Speaker 1: was coming from a foundation that maybe wasn't the healthiest,
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  Speaker 1: then I could see where there would be some final
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  Speaker 1: straws that would break and you would say this isn't
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  Speaker 1: gonna work. I you know, I can speak to a
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  Speaker 1: little bit more of this now because I didn't want
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  Speaker 1: to assume too much before. But I did get to
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  Speaker 1: spend a lot of time with Becca. She is a
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  Speaker 1: terrific human and I feel very similar to Becca that
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  Speaker 1: I feel about you, like I get I've told you this.
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  Speaker 1: I'm lucky enough to be able to host and co
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  Speaker 1: host things with some people who I am I'm just
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  Speaker 1: really fond of and who I care about a lot.
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  Speaker 1: I didn't, though, within our time together, get to speak
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  Speaker 1: a lot to where her and Garrett were at, because
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  Speaker 1: they were together on the bus for the most part,
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  Speaker 1: and I saw there really their relationship look good from
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  Speaker 1: the outside. Um, but again, this is where I can
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  Speaker 1: speak to it. It's it's always, uh, you always want
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  Speaker 1: to put up a good face when you're around people,
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  Speaker 1: and I then know how hard it is to go
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  Speaker 1: through a public breakup, especially in this bachelor world, and
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  Speaker 1: there there's no easy or right way to break up
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  Speaker 1: within it because you know that it's going to be
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  Speaker 1: a story, you know you're gonna have to talk about it,
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  Speaker 1: you know that there's going to be assumptions made, and
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  Speaker 1: so it's it's more I think when Ashley and I've
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  Speaker 1: been able to talk about it, we're just coming out
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  Speaker 1: at this and like it sucks, like this sucks and
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  Speaker 1: it's not fun, and we we It sounds cliche, but like,
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  Speaker 1: we just hope the best for them moving forward, and
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  Speaker 1: that they can separate and separate cordially and both pursue
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  Speaker 1: whatever it is now that's next in their lives, uh,
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  Speaker 1: and move on from this relationship that they obviously didn't
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  Speaker 1: see being forever. Yeah, so maybe, I mean I don't
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  Speaker 1: want to make assumptions either, but maybe if it weren't
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  Speaker 1: for the post in June and how he dealt with it,
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  Speaker 1: that maybe their relationship would have gone longer, but it
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  Speaker 1: didn't have the forever to it because maybe that there
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  Speaker 1: were issues that they just could never see eye to
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  Speaker 1: eye on and they were too important to not And
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  Speaker 1: then maybe they had different ways of like talking out issues.
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  Speaker 1: It's just it is kind of it's um um for me.
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  Speaker 1: It just seemed like they had a great relationship until then.
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  Speaker 1: But again I was watching from afar well and you
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  Speaker 1: have to see you know, I think we all have
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  Speaker 1: to see this and we have the benefit and also
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  Speaker 1: for them sometimes in demise of they both you know,
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  Speaker 1: especially Becca lives a very public life and we've we've
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  Speaker 1: gotten listened to her podcast with Rachel. She was was
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  Speaker 1: really experiencing a lot of learning and growth throughout the
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  Speaker 1: last few months, as many of us have. And I
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  Speaker 1: think when it comes to these, like some of these
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  Speaker 1: foundational viewpoints that really determine how you see people and
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  Speaker 1: what you want to stand for, those do come into
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  Speaker 1: conflict if you don't agree, like they do become major
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  Speaker 1: issues in relationships if you can't see eye to eye
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  Speaker 1: and who knows you know. Again, we have to take
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  Speaker 1: Becca's word for it and and say, hey, this wasn't
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  Speaker 1: the final deal, but I think that we can all
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  Speaker 1: understand that, like it was a part of it, and
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  Speaker 1: now they're moving on. In fact, the next headline in
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  Speaker 1: this is that Becca has completely moved on now and
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  Speaker 1: she's moved to Los Angeles. She announced, uh, just a
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  Speaker 1: little while back that she has moved fully to Los
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  Speaker 1: Angeles and she's starting life there. Yeah. I was thinking
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  Speaker 1: that she wasn't going to continue to live in Carl's Bad, California,
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  Speaker 1: which is about an hour and a half two hours
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  Speaker 1: south of l A. Without Garrett. I feel like Garrett
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  Speaker 1: probably was the kind of guy who didn't want to
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  Speaker 1: live in a major city. And now that Becca single,
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  Speaker 1: she's like, I'm gonna go live around people that I know.
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  Speaker 1: She said that she signed a lease without even seeing
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  Speaker 1: the apartment, making a giant step. And uh, we should
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  Speaker 1: also mention that the dog is staying with her. Of course,
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  Speaker 1: I was not shocked because I no, I knew that
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  Speaker 1: Minno and Becca had a really special relationship. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: if you it's similar to you, actually, if you talked
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  Speaker 1: to Becca about her life. Uh, Minno is within the
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  Speaker 1: first couple of words, the dog is a big deal.
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  Speaker 1: So that's not a shock to me. Um, But it
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  Speaker 1: is now confirmed the Beckett her that Minno is staying
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  Speaker 1: with Beck in Los Angeles. From one bachelorette to the next.
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  Speaker 1: Caitlin Bristow says Dancing with the Stars is her last hurrah.
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  Speaker 1: This is a huge topic, Like this is actually a
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  Speaker 1: really big statement by Caitlin because she's referencing that she
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  Speaker 1: wants to start a family, so just Dancing with the
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  Speaker 1: Stars experience is her last hurrah. Now, actually, this is
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  Speaker 1: why I want to get your insight into not only
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  Speaker 1: that statement, but then now she's also referencing that I'm
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  Speaker 1: assuming that Jason is a part of this next step
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  Speaker 1: for her. I know I was like, this was pressure
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  Speaker 1: on Jason. Um. I feel like a proposal is just
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  Speaker 1: around the corner. She's saying that she's already to start
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  Speaker 1: having babies, and uh, this is going to be like
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  Speaker 1: the last big exciting travel experience that she's going to
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  Speaker 1: have before that they like settled down. Uh crazy. But
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  Speaker 1: the greatest thing is that we don't have to suspect
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  Speaker 1: anything because we can just ask. And that's because Jason
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  Speaker 1: is going to be on our in depth podcast we're
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  Speaker 1: recording in next Thursday, so we'll ask him all about
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  Speaker 1: you know, their their future. It's it's exciting. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: this is a just a huge statement that I feel
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  Speaker 1: like kind of got like thrown undernee some of these
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  Speaker 1: other headlines. I was like, wait a second, what I
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  Speaker 1: think She wasn't sure when for a long time. But
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  Speaker 1: we wish her the best. I mean, this is gonna
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  Speaker 1: be an exciting time for her. Obviously, Dance with the
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  Speaker 1: Stars felt like it was always made for Caitlin. It's
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  Speaker 1: not made for everybody. It was made for Caitlin. She's
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  Speaker 1: going to thrive and shine during this And what better
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  Speaker 1: way to kind of say, for black of better word,
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  Speaker 1: goodbye to a lot of the entertainment world, uh other
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  Speaker 1: you know, for her, it stands with the stars, Like
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  Speaker 1: what a cool way to do that. It's her celebration. Um,
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  Speaker 1: but it hasn't always been celebration for Caitlin. In fact,
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  Speaker 1: this week we also have seen Caitlin breakdown. Um, the
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  Speaker 1: trolls got to her. And in fact, the headline reads,
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  Speaker 1: Caitlin Bristo cries after trolls criticized her appearance ahead of
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  Speaker 1: Dance with the Star's debut. She states, and I quote
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  Speaker 1: it got to me. Yeah. So on Saturday, she shared
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  Speaker 1: a picture of herself crying on Instagram. Her eyeliner was
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  Speaker 1: still pretty pretty perfect. Um, and she said I forgot
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  Speaker 1: how mean people are when you go on TV. Just
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  Speaker 1: so many she looks old and plastic comments everywhere you
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  Speaker 1: win today, trolls, you got to me. So she also
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  Speaker 1: she also says that she's p messing and that she's
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  Speaker 1: really tired. Not a great combo. She got really emotional.
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  Speaker 1: But yeah, Charles suck. I mean these people suck. And
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  Speaker 1: for any of you out there who would write such
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  Speaker 1: a thing like could you imagine getting at yourself Like
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  Speaker 1: I can't imagine just going to somebody's Instagram profile typing,
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  Speaker 1: typing those words out so that they could see it.
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  Speaker 1: It's uh, you know, ash what I what I think
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  Speaker 1: of here is the best responses as Caitlin. If this
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  Speaker 1: is her last hurrah, UM, then I hope Dancer the
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  Speaker 1: Stars is a magical success for her and any But
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  Speaker 1: that's criticizing her right now as she preps for it.
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  Speaker 1: Uh is silence due to her success, and I think
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  Speaker 1: that will happen. I've have full confidence in that, UM.
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  Speaker 1: But it's unfortunate and it's not fun to watch. It's
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  Speaker 1: not fun to watch a friend breakdown, especially publicly. You
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  Speaker 1: know that haters hate success, so sometimes sometimes success can
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  Speaker 1: feel more hate. But you just have to remember that. Well,
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  Speaker 1: there is a great statement uh that says that with
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  Speaker 1: your worst enemies, you need to heap coals of kindness
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  Speaker 1: over them. And so I think Caitlin's best way, and
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  Speaker 1: all of our best ways to do this is to say, hey,
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  Speaker 1: I don't like it. It's not fun for me, but
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  Speaker 1: I'm not gonna uh. You know, I'm not gonna go
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  Speaker 1: down to your levels. I'm gonna shine in her place,
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  Speaker 1: and she's gonna shine. We know that, UM. Question for you,
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  Speaker 1: do you think that acknowledging the fact that you're seeing
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  Speaker 1: the hate comments fuels their fire and makes them comment
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  Speaker 1: more because getting satisfaction and attention out of it. Or
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  Speaker 1: do you think the best cases and do you think
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  Speaker 1: the best cases to ignore or do you think it's
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  Speaker 1: more powerful to say, like these are the effects of
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  Speaker 1: your words. That's a good question my my approach. Now,
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  Speaker 1: originally it went to I'm going to ignore. That was
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  Speaker 1: impossible because they come up in places that you can't
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  Speaker 1: ignore them at I I now see that you're gonna
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  Speaker 1: you and we know this on almost from this podcast.
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  Speaker 1: In fact, this is a good point to bring up
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  Speaker 1: our Facebook group, Um you know who you know? We
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  Speaker 1: get messages saying, hey, there's there's hate being spread on them,
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  Speaker 1: and then there's great things, but there's there's hate. Here's
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  Speaker 1: what you I think we got to look for it.
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  Speaker 1: And I'm not an expert in this, but you're gonna
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  Speaker 1: find your select few who are outstanding humans, who have
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  Speaker 1: your your back, who you have their back, who you
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  Speaker 1: become a team together, who you enjoy each other, and
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  Speaker 1: you want to lift those people up. You also want
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  Speaker 1: to show what you also want to show those those
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  Speaker 1: trolls what it's like to respond positively and maturely to
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  Speaker 1: those comments. I think approaching it is is great I
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  Speaker 1: think it's a it's an important thing to do. I
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  Speaker 1: think it's showing them that, hey, you've hurt me. I'm
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  Speaker 1: gonna show you've hurt me, but I'm not gonna stoop
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  Speaker 1: to your level, but I'm gonna show you that there's
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  Speaker 1: pain here. And I believe that when you show that,
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  Speaker 1: the people who actually want to support, who actually care
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  Speaker 1: about your well being, who actually enjoy um, people putting
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  Speaker 1: themselves out there, will get more fuel to their fire
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  Speaker 1: to say I've got your back. And so you're building
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  Speaker 1: that team. And the people that don't want a part
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  Speaker 1: of the good things in life, well, you can't force
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  Speaker 1: them to like those good things, but you've got to
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  Speaker 1: show them that they've hurt you. Because I think it's
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  Speaker 1: important for people to know, hey, your words do still matter,
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  Speaker 1: and we're not just going to ignore them because I
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  Speaker 1: don't think they're going away. So well, we'll move on
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  Speaker 1: to a little happier, funnier topic. Um we we just
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  Speaker 1: talked about Caitlin excited to have kids and start a
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  Speaker 1: family out there's one Bachelor Nation couple who have definitely
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  Speaker 1: start a family. They've done it quickly and their kids
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  Speaker 1: are growing up the headline reads pregnant, Jade Roper is
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  Speaker 1: pretty sure Tannard Toilbert will get a vasectomy after third baby.
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  Speaker 1: Snip snip is the comment. Why does the why does
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  Speaker 1: the expression snip snip make me feel so comfortable? Because
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  Speaker 1: it is uncomfortable. Actually, you gotta think about what you're
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  Speaker 1: doing here. You're literally sticking something up between our legs. Now, granted,
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  Speaker 1: you guys have your own uncomfort more than ours. Yeah, yes,
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  Speaker 1: there's more, but like, it doesn't take away from the
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  Speaker 1: fact that aasectomy is not a fun experience. Nobody looks
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  Speaker 1: forward to it. And snip snip just I think best
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  Speaker 1: categorizes the idea that you are cutting off something that
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  Speaker 1: that just cannot be fun to be cut on. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: and you guys, bisectomies are reversible in case you decide
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  Speaker 1: to have more children. But yeah, I know Jade and
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  Speaker 1: Tanner they kind of just want to have these these
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  Speaker 1: three grow up and all together in a chunk. So
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  Speaker 1: like when they're done with the baby face, they're done
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  Speaker 1: with the baby face, and then they can all There's
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  Speaker 1: like a certain freedom when kids get to be able
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  Speaker 1: to like walk, have conversations, all that stuff, you know,
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  Speaker 1: because say, Emmy is like getting to that point. Now
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  Speaker 1: she's so fun and conversational and really cool to be around,
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  Speaker 1: becoming independent, and then you bring up like a newborn
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  Speaker 1: into it, and everything kind of falls back. You're like, well,
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  Speaker 1: we still can't do this, and we still can't do
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  Speaker 1: that because now we have to take care of the baby.
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  Speaker 1: So even though Emmy can do it, we can't go
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  Speaker 1: on a family trip, you know, with three kids. But
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  Speaker 1: like once they get to the age of well seven, seven,
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  Speaker 1: five and four, then you'll be like, Okay, now we
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  Speaker 1: can tote them around a little bit more differently, A
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  Speaker 1: little differently, that makes sense. Yeah, Ashley, I have waited
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  Speaker 1: patiently to not interrupt you, but you just said something
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  Speaker 1: a little bit ago that is just really made me
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  Speaker 1: squirt to wait what you said. You prefaced all this
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  Speaker 1: by saying vasectomies are reversible. If at any time Jessica
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  Speaker 1: looks at me and says, I need you to get
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  Speaker 1: a vasectomy. But don't worry, honey, it's reversible. If we
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  Speaker 1: ever choose not to be, I would go bonkers. Are
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  Speaker 1: you kidding me that that's even an option? If you're
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  Speaker 1: getting a vasectomy, I'm keeping my vasectomy. You are not
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  Speaker 1: touching my vasectomy more than one time. And I'm sure
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  Speaker 1: there's people out there have been like, yeah, I had
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  Speaker 1: my husband do it, reversed it two or three times.
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  Speaker 1: Like we just life change. I get that that happens
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  Speaker 1: in unique scenarios, but nobody goes into getting a vasecondy
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  Speaker 1: saying hey, I'm gonna do this as like pre emptive
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  Speaker 1: just in case one day we want to start again.
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  Speaker 1: That's so funny, and I'd like to share that Tanner
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  Speaker 1: is the kind of guy who passes out at everything.
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  Speaker 1: So he had this like a cyst on his head
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  Speaker 1: and he needed to get it removed. A couple of
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  Speaker 1: months ago, he fainted in the chair and that is
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  Speaker 1: something that he couldn't even see. He was on top
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  Speaker 1: of his head and it was very surface, you know
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  Speaker 1: what I mean. So like, this is definitely this is
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  Speaker 1: the guy that's not gonna be able to handle it.
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  Speaker 1: This liked to me very well. I get it, man,
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  Speaker 1: I get if you only knew all my stories, you
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  Speaker 1: you knew I can relate. Hey, um, we have a
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  Speaker 1: lot of topics to fly through here. Uh. Bachelor x
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  Speaker 1: Is Nick Vile and Vanessa Grimaldi reunite for first time
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  Speaker 1: since the two seventeen split. We talked to Nick about this.
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  Speaker 1: This is on his nick V Trash TV and his
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  Speaker 1: ex is tell all it's it's kind of a summary
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  Speaker 1: of his season and speaking with the girls from his season, Ashley,
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  Speaker 1: what more do you know about this? Well, they like
• 17:39
  Speaker 1: hash out a lot. It's definitely not just a surface
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  Speaker 1: e fun conversation and if you guys want to listen
• 17:46
  Speaker 1: to it, you have to just type in nick V
• 17:50
  Speaker 1: Talks trash t V. It's a couple of dollars to
• 17:53
  Speaker 1: listen to this interview, but it's definitely worth it. So
• 17:57
  Speaker 1: moving on to dating, there are some Bachelor contestants that
• 18:01
  Speaker 1: are now publicly dating. We're gonna start with Hannah Ann
• 18:07
  Speaker 1: from Peter's season. The headline reads, Bachelor contestant link could
• 18:12
  Speaker 1: make NFL's team's locker room awkward. This according to the
• 18:16
  Speaker 1: New York Post. Okay, So, Jacksonville Jaguars quarterback Josh Dobbs
• 18:23
  Speaker 1: was just acquired off waivers to Pittsburgh and very soon
• 18:29
  Speaker 1: after that she was spotted with um Mason Rudolph, who
• 18:34
  Speaker 1: is the backup quarterback at the Steelers. So basically, Dobbs
• 18:39
  Speaker 1: and Mason Rudolf are going to be in the same meetings,
• 18:44
  Speaker 1: in the same locker room, and they both supposedly maybe
• 18:49
  Speaker 1: had a flirtation hooked up with Hannah, and I don't
• 18:53
  Speaker 1: think this is a real rarity in the NFL. I
• 18:56
  Speaker 1: don't think this is going to be as awkward as
• 18:58
  Speaker 1: the headline is trying to make it. I also don't
• 19:02
  Speaker 1: think either of these guys are currently dating Hannah because
• 19:05
  Speaker 1: she hasn't seen she has been spotted with Rudolph since March.
• 19:11
  Speaker 1: I don't think so. Yes, the headline is is probably
• 19:15
  Speaker 1: overstating the fact, but hey, what a coincidence? Can we
• 19:20
  Speaker 1: say that? What a coincidence? More dating rumors, but now
• 19:25
  Speaker 1: actually not a rumor, it's confirmed. Bachelor Nations star Jeff
• 19:29
  Speaker 1: Holme confirms he's dating Too Hot to Handles Francesca Farrago. Wow,
• 19:33
  Speaker 1: Jeff Holme would just confirm this. I don't think they've
• 19:37
  Speaker 1: been seeing each other very long? Um they because like
• 19:42
  Speaker 1: she was holding she was holding hands with another guy
• 19:45
  Speaker 1: good week ago. That's true. Yeah, right, so they're certainly
• 19:50
  Speaker 1: not exclusively dating. And Jeff points that out. He says,
• 19:54
  Speaker 1: people are quick to put a title on things, but
• 19:56
  Speaker 1: we're taking it slow, it's in the beginning stages. Oh okay, Um,
• 20:00
  Speaker 1: they were spotted on Tuesday, September one out on a
• 20:04
  Speaker 1: boat on like Powell in Arizona, and uh yeah, Francesco
• 20:10
  Speaker 1: is just I think Francesca is just having fun right now.
• 20:14
  Speaker 1: She's she's super hot, almost too hot to handle, too
• 20:18
  Speaker 1: hot to handle. Well, Uh, moving on now from dating
• 20:23
  Speaker 1: to we're gonna kind of get We're gonna ramp this
• 20:26
  Speaker 1: up to the Clear season and leading up to Clear season.
• 20:29
  Speaker 1: Obviously we'll break down here in just a second. Um,
• 20:32
  Speaker 1: but Wan Pablo season of the Goat. Uh The Bachelor
• 20:37
  Speaker 1: aired on the Goat here this week, and uh, well,
• 20:41
  Speaker 1: Wan Pablo hasn't been thrilled about this. In fact, he's
• 20:44
  Speaker 1: been tweeting Ashley what do we know? So we'll get
• 20:50
  Speaker 1: into this later. But I do think that they piled
• 20:52
  Speaker 1: on one Pablo a little bit last night. They made
• 20:54
  Speaker 1: it seemed like he was the worst man to ever exist,
• 20:56
  Speaker 1: Like they like they went beyond like he was our
• 21:01
  Speaker 1: least back like bachelor and went more to like this
• 21:04
  Speaker 1: is like a terrorist to women around America. They called
• 21:08
  Speaker 1: him the most hated man in America. I'm like, come on,
• 21:10
  Speaker 1: this is so ridiculous. So Wan Pablo tweeted something a
• 21:15
  Speaker 1: couple of days ago saying, interesting promo of Claire and
• 21:19
  Speaker 1: the season of the Bachelorette six years later, and I
• 21:23
  Speaker 1: know who is the wand that can't get over one
• 21:29
  Speaker 1: would love if you take a guess. Ps. Claire got
• 21:33
  Speaker 1: over a long time ago, just in case. Okay, So
• 21:38
  Speaker 1: Wan Pablo was never especially articulate on Twitter. He had
• 21:43
  Speaker 1: a lot of like sub tweets, a lot of games
• 21:48
  Speaker 1: used to play on Twitter that would just cause excess
• 21:52
  Speaker 1: speculation about things. I think what he's trying to allude
• 21:56
  Speaker 1: here is that the bachelor at franchise is obsessed with Claire,
• 22:03
  Speaker 1: is obsessed with Wan Pablo and bashing him, and Claire
• 22:09
  Speaker 1: has no feelings attached to him and like has moved
• 22:14
  Speaker 1: on extremely fine. It's uh, it's an unfortunate time for
• 22:21
  Speaker 1: Wan Pablo because obviously we will talk to the guests
• 22:23
  Speaker 1: a little bit and here their ideas about how the
• 22:26
  Speaker 1: Go episode was portrayed. But we've also now heard that
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: Juan Pablo has quietly split from his wife of two years. Uh,
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: and that was announced on US Weekly. Yeah, so I
• 22:40
  Speaker 1: don't even know that that was really ever announced that
• 22:42
  Speaker 1: Jan Pablo was married. I crept on his Instagram like
• 22:45
  Speaker 1: a year ago and I figured that out. She was
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: a former Miss Venezuela, and we don't know that Miss
• 22:52
  Speaker 1: Venezuela's are always like smoke shows. But they've been split
• 22:58
  Speaker 1: up for a while now and and they just his
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: what his ex wife made it public in March. So
• 23:04
  Speaker 1: if you guys didn't know, Juan Pablo got married and
• 23:08
  Speaker 1: now he's divorced, it is now over. And speaking of over,
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: will clear in Wan Publo. We obviously saw last Night
• 23:18
  Speaker 1: are over. However, Clear season of The Bachelorette is just beginning,
• 23:24
  Speaker 1: and her promo came out and Claire Crawley kisses one
• 23:28
  Speaker 1: of her suitors in new Bachelorette promo. Yeah, so remember
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: how last week we watched the promo together here on
• 23:36
  Speaker 1: the podcast and it was on YouTube on my computer screen,
• 23:39
  Speaker 1: And since I've seen it a number of time times
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: on ABC, and I get super stoked, like I love
• 23:46
  Speaker 1: this promo. I loved Hannah's promo as Cinderella and then
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: she transformed from the beauty queen into like the sophisticated woman.
• 23:55
  Speaker 1: But I'm obsessed with this promo almost as much Key
• 23:59
  Speaker 1: Palmer saying respect. In the background, Claire looks super hot
• 24:04
  Speaker 1: and in it they flashed to a couple little sea
• 24:07
  Speaker 1: like the quickest little splits to uh two scenes from
• 24:13
  Speaker 1: the season, one of which is her kissing a guy
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: who looks like the one that everybody is speculating she
• 24:22
  Speaker 1: left the show for. Oh well, that problem might speak
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: some truth to this season, but we still do not know.
• 24:31
  Speaker 1: In fact, we know very little in fact to this day. Um,
• 24:35
  Speaker 1: but get excited because Claire Crawley season is now just
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: beginning and we're going to talk about it here on
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: the Almost Famous podcast. Well that's all the hot topics
• 24:42
  Speaker 1: we after today. Again, we have some really great guests.
• 24:46
  Speaker 1: We have Charlene joint, Amy Long and Heather Martin coming
• 24:49
  Speaker 1: up in just a second. But before you do, let's
• 24:51
  Speaker 1: take a break. So watching this Goat episode, we're reminded
• 25:04
  Speaker 1: of three major Bachelor history moments. Let's start with Andy.
• 25:09
  Speaker 1: Andy goes into a fantasy suite thinking that she's just
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: like so into Wan Pablo. She's picturing her future with him.
• 25:19
  Speaker 1: She she says that she can picture her settling down
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: with Wan Pablo. She comes out the next morning completely
• 25:27
  Speaker 1: different attitude. She she can't even stand him for another day.
• 25:31
  Speaker 1: She's got to leave. What did she tell What did
• 25:35
  Speaker 1: she tell us on the podcast? She said that he
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: just talked about himself the entire time, asked no questions
• 25:40
  Speaker 1: about her. He seemed very self absorbed, right, Yeah. I
• 25:44
  Speaker 1: also think she kind of hinted at there's things she
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: wouldn't share publicly that happened that evening. And that's basically
• 25:50
  Speaker 1: what she does with Harrison in her interview in the
• 25:53
  Speaker 1: Goat episode, and that's what she did during the actual
• 25:57
  Speaker 1: Wan Pablo season. So maybe we don't know exactly what
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: happened that turned her off so bad, but I do
• 26:03
  Speaker 1: have to But watching this back in the confrontation, it's
• 26:07
  Speaker 1: so it's so fun, it's a very girl power moment,
• 26:10
  Speaker 1: but it does leave me wondering, does Andy just want
• 26:14
  Speaker 1: want Pablo to be like, no, I don't want you
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: to leave, like I want you to stay. I really
• 26:18
  Speaker 1: like you? Or or did he like really royally f up?
• 26:24
  Speaker 1: And we're not seeing it because because watching it back,
• 26:27
  Speaker 1: I'm thinking, Oh, she doesn't like him and he doesn't
• 26:31
  Speaker 1: really care about her, but she still wants him to
• 26:34
  Speaker 1: care about her. Well, I think, yeah, I mean I
• 26:38
  Speaker 1: would imagine that in most cases during this show, especially,
• 26:40
  Speaker 1: you want the lead to care about you, and sometimes
• 26:45
  Speaker 1: as a lead, you really want one of the contestants
• 26:48
  Speaker 1: to really care about you. And you're far enough along
• 26:51
  Speaker 1: in the journey at the fantasy suites where you're probably
• 26:55
  Speaker 1: pretty sure of at least who your final couple are,
• 26:59
  Speaker 1: and you're pretty confident that the person okay. For me,
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: that last final few was the hardest part because you
• 27:08
  Speaker 1: start to see who you want to be within the
• 27:10
  Speaker 1: end and who you want to work through a few
• 27:12
  Speaker 1: things with uh in the last couple of weeks, and
• 27:16
  Speaker 1: then that you have this person there. In my case
• 27:18
  Speaker 1: it was Kayla, who you care a ton about, who
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: you really respect, and now you have to say goodbye
• 27:24
  Speaker 1: to them. What I think this didn't show was the
• 27:28
  Speaker 1: mutual respect between each other, and that's why it was
• 27:31
  Speaker 1: so controversial. It looked like they are both like, this
• 27:34
  Speaker 1: is stupid, this is over, and you're like, wait, you
• 27:36
  Speaker 1: guys have been through some stuff already. Yeah. I think
• 27:38
  Speaker 1: she's frustrated because yeah, exactly what you're saying, Like there's
• 27:45
  Speaker 1: no emotion attached to him. He's saying it's okay, Like
• 27:48
  Speaker 1: she's like even though we both just kind of decided
• 27:50
  Speaker 1: that we we weren't into each other enough to continue.
• 27:54
  Speaker 1: I think, like, I would like you to acknowledge the
• 27:56
  Speaker 1: fact that we got to know each other as humans
• 27:58
  Speaker 1: and we have we had something. Yeah, this isn't just okay,
• 28:05
  Speaker 1: this hurts, and I want you to tell me that
• 28:07
  Speaker 1: you get that it hurts. It's probably what she was
• 28:09
  Speaker 1: looking for, right, and it didn't hurt, and I think
• 28:11
  Speaker 1: she just felt like, Okay, so you're just detached throughout
• 28:17
  Speaker 1: this entire process. You're just you're just not forming any
• 28:20
  Speaker 1: bonds with these women. And I think that rolls over
• 28:23
  Speaker 1: into the next historical moment when he tells Nikki that
• 28:28
  Speaker 1: he really likes her. She goes, I love you, and
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: he goes, I like you a lot. And that was
• 28:36
  Speaker 1: in addition to not proposing what she expected. But I think,
• 28:40
  Speaker 1: in hindsight, what a blessing that he didn't get down
• 28:43
  Speaker 1: on one knee. She didn't experience that with Wan Pablo.
• 28:46
  Speaker 1: She got to experience that with her husband. But but
• 28:50
  Speaker 1: the I really like you, I guess Wan Pablo kind
• 28:56
  Speaker 1: of he brought himself on being honest, so I didn't
• 28:59
  Speaker 1: want to lie and say I love you in that
• 29:01
  Speaker 1: moment when he wasn't feeling love, and maybe the Bachelor
• 29:04
  Speaker 1: franchise does put him down a little bit for that.
• 29:06
  Speaker 1: Like Harrison even said last night, he was like, I
• 29:10
  Speaker 1: like you a lot. Like they are making fun of
• 29:12
  Speaker 1: him for saying I like you a lot, But like,
• 29:14
  Speaker 1: would we have rather him say I love you and
• 29:17
  Speaker 1: not mean it? I don't. I don't know. I don't
• 29:20
  Speaker 1: think that is that really something we should feelize them for.
• 29:22
  Speaker 1: I think it's shocking and I think it shows that
• 29:25
  Speaker 1: he wasn't ready to be the Bachelor and he shouldn't
• 29:27
  Speaker 1: have been the Bachelor. But I don't know that we
• 29:30
  Speaker 1: can like make it seem like that's not a good
• 29:34
  Speaker 1: a good move. Anybody that comes to the show, my
• 29:37
  Speaker 1: advice and then would be do what's authentic you? Like,
• 29:40
  Speaker 1: this is a life changing moment, and just because the
• 29:45
  Speaker 1: show is telling you you need to you should get
• 29:48
  Speaker 1: engaged in or that feels like the path that you're
• 29:50
  Speaker 1: going towards, it doesn't mean that you have to nor
• 29:54
  Speaker 1: do you need to. Yeah, I don't think one probably
• 29:57
  Speaker 1: did this whole thing well at all. However, I don't
• 30:03
  Speaker 1: think we should villainize him for being authentic to his feelings,
• 30:06
  Speaker 1: even if they weren't what we wanted. Um, because I
• 30:11
  Speaker 1: watch it going okay, he he's confident enough in his
• 30:16
  Speaker 1: feelings to not express what she's expressing. It's unfortunate that
• 30:21
  Speaker 1: it has to look and be like this. However, he
• 30:26
  Speaker 1: he was true to He was true to how he
• 30:28
  Speaker 1: was feeling, and for that, I do think we celebrate
• 30:32
  Speaker 1: his authenticity. Yeah, and I think that's what Wan Pablo wants,
• 30:36
  Speaker 1: because that's what he's always frustrated with. He's like, if
• 30:39
  Speaker 1: you're not on it, if you're honest, they don't like you.
• 30:43
  Speaker 1: And the bottom of the crux of all of this
• 30:46
  Speaker 1: is that he wasn't the Bachelor that ABC wanted him
• 30:49
  Speaker 1: to be. He wasn't the kind of woman that most people,
• 30:54
  Speaker 1: or at least from what we saw he's. He's not
• 30:57
  Speaker 1: the person that most women want to end up up with.
• 31:00
  Speaker 1: Like nobody watched that season and thought like, this is
• 31:03
  Speaker 1: the kind of guy I would like to be with.
• 31:05
  Speaker 1: But also we can't. Once he was chosen to be
• 31:09
  Speaker 1: the Bachelor, he was just himself and we can't villainize
• 31:14
  Speaker 1: him for being honest in these situations. I could go
• 31:21
  Speaker 1: I could be a Bachelor fan right now, that it's
• 31:23
  Speaker 1: not coming. I mean I could. I don't know. If
• 31:25
  Speaker 1: there's anbody agrees with me. In fact, it's a great question.
• 31:27
  Speaker 1: Please email us at Ben and Ashley I heart media
• 31:29
  Speaker 1: dot com, or tweet us at the Almost Famous podcast
• 31:32
  Speaker 1: on Twitter use the hashtag you know. We talked about
• 31:36
  Speaker 1: it every season. I still stand firm in this. I
• 31:38
  Speaker 1: might change my mind at some point, but as a fan,
• 31:42
  Speaker 1: I get now the ups and downs of the season.
• 31:45
  Speaker 1: I get to the first couple of weeks are ridiculous.
• 31:47
  Speaker 1: I get that there's weird dates. I get that there's arguments.
• 31:49
  Speaker 1: I know that there's going to be drama. I expect that. However,
• 31:53
  Speaker 1: when it comes to the very last episode, I watch
• 31:57
  Speaker 1: it excited for somebody that I know to find love.
• 32:02
  Speaker 1: I also want to know if they really found love. Like,
• 32:05
  Speaker 1: I don't want this to just be a fake engagement,
• 32:07
  Speaker 1: because this is how it's supposed to go. I want
• 32:10
  Speaker 1: to be as a fan going you know, for example, Colton, okay, Colton,
• 32:14
  Speaker 1: you weren't you know, you and Cassie weren't ready to
• 32:17
  Speaker 1: get engaged. I can get behind that, Like, I know
• 32:19
  Speaker 1: where your relationship stands. Uh one, probably you weren't ready
• 32:22
  Speaker 1: to get engaged fair enough, like I get where your
• 32:25
  Speaker 1: relationship stands. But when there is that moment when somebody
• 32:27
  Speaker 1: gets down on the knee and look somebody in the
• 32:28
  Speaker 1: eyes and says, will you marry me? I want to
• 32:31
  Speaker 1: be on my couch in tears, going this is beautiful,
• 32:34
  Speaker 1: like I don't want I don't want to be misled.
• 32:37
  Speaker 1: I guess I should say, and I'm I'm glad. If
• 32:39
  Speaker 1: he did one thing really well, it was that he
• 32:41
  Speaker 1: did not mislead us on what his feelings were. I
• 32:45
  Speaker 1: will say that he didn't do it in a very
• 32:49
  Speaker 1: heart felt like he never he didn't. He doesn't seem warm,
• 32:54
  Speaker 1: he doesn't seem his delivery is constantly terrible. Because we
• 32:58
  Speaker 1: see Brad Walmack, who at the end of his season
• 33:01
  Speaker 1: doesn't pick anyone. Yet you still feel for Brad and
• 33:05
  Speaker 1: like there's so much emotion there and here there's just
• 33:09
  Speaker 1: coldness and logic and it just didn't it doesn't feel right,
• 33:16
  Speaker 1: and his character is definitely this is this is the
• 33:22
  Speaker 1: moment where I'm like, Okay, now now we can kind
• 33:26
  Speaker 1: of fil anize. When he says to Claire in a
• 33:31
  Speaker 1: helicopter ride, I don't really know you, but I love
• 33:35
  Speaker 1: screwing you and yeah, good, no like that, that's m hmm.
• 33:41
  Speaker 1: She talks it out with him in the in not
• 33:44
  Speaker 1: a fantasy state, but that last date where they get
• 33:46
  Speaker 1: to sit on the couch and like have their last
• 33:48
  Speaker 1: conbo and she I get that, she gets clarity and
• 33:53
  Speaker 1: like they have a good like hash out of the situation.
• 33:57
  Speaker 1: But man, with that stick with me, I don't. It's
• 34:01
  Speaker 1: it's not even like he was trying to be sexy
• 34:03
  Speaker 1: and said like I love screwing you. It was I
• 34:06
  Speaker 1: don't really know you. Yeah, it's just bad. It's the
• 34:14
  Speaker 1: antithesis of romantic. Yeah, that's not good. No, I'm like
• 34:21
  Speaker 1: sitting here and I'm like, yeah, and what scenario and
• 34:25
  Speaker 1: what scenario does that even work? And it's like maybe
• 34:31
  Speaker 1: in your most promiscuous like days, that could work, but
• 34:34
  Speaker 1: like when you're looking towards the end and you're you're knowing,
• 34:37
  Speaker 1: you're already nervous because you're a few days away from
• 34:40
  Speaker 1: something happening, either you're just leaving the show together or
• 34:43
  Speaker 1: you're engaged or getting broken up with and you're like
• 34:46
  Speaker 1: pouring your heart out into somebody else and they look
• 34:48
  Speaker 1: at you and go like, yeah, you know what, I
• 34:49
  Speaker 1: don't know you, but like you're I just love screwing you.
• 34:54
  Speaker 1: Like there's no way to say that and have good
• 34:56
  Speaker 1: intentions behind it. That isn't probably the one the most
• 35:00
  Speaker 1: jaw dropping moments I've ever had as a viewer watching
• 35:03
  Speaker 1: the show, right, Yeah, not good, not good. There's no
• 35:07
  Speaker 1: there's notion for that one. And I think that so
• 35:10
  Speaker 1: much of what she says to him in that scene
• 35:13
  Speaker 1: where you know, he dumps her and she has her
• 35:16
  Speaker 1: girl power moment, it's not so much daddy dumps her.
• 35:20
  Speaker 1: It's that that convert. It's that it's it's what went
• 35:24
  Speaker 1: down in the helicopter coming out. Yeah, I think, yes,
• 35:28
  Speaker 1: you're right, And I think that's where we forget, is
• 35:30
  Speaker 1: like we watch this in clips and we see her
• 35:33
  Speaker 1: getting you know, angry or she's like on him, and
• 35:38
  Speaker 1: we're like, well that kind of came out and know
• 35:39
  Speaker 1: her wise, But what we forget is that this was
• 35:41
  Speaker 1: leading up to that moment, by the things that he
• 35:45
  Speaker 1: told her and how it made her feel, and how
• 35:48
  Speaker 1: she where she felt her relationship was out with him
• 35:51
  Speaker 1: and where he felt his relationship was out with her,
• 35:53
  Speaker 1: And it's unfortunate. There's nothing about this moment Ashley that
• 35:59
  Speaker 1: I enjoy way watching. There's nothing about this moment that
• 36:02
  Speaker 1: I can even wrap my head around. Um, but what
• 36:05
  Speaker 1: it does do is it it points me and I'm
• 36:08
  Speaker 1: sure it was kind of their hope, but it does
• 36:10
  Speaker 1: point me to the excitement that is coming up with
• 36:13
  Speaker 1: Claire where I can go. Now we get to watch
• 36:15
  Speaker 1: her find somebody that cares to get to know her
• 36:19
  Speaker 1: and whenever they decide to one day will also enjoy
• 36:23
  Speaker 1: being with her and do it in a way that's
• 36:26
  Speaker 1: like caring completely. The why I enjoy watching that scene
• 36:33
  Speaker 1: is because she's just such a badass and she had
• 36:36
  Speaker 1: all the right things to say from the way that
• 36:38
  Speaker 1: she even stopped him like with her hands and just continued.
• 36:42
  Speaker 1: And it was, in my opinion, you know what he
• 36:45
  Speaker 1: says in the helicopter that makes her say, I would
• 36:49
  Speaker 1: never want you to be the father of my children,
• 36:52
  Speaker 1: and then two make matters worse in this whole dumping scene.
• 36:57
  Speaker 1: She walks away and he goes, I'm glad I didn't
• 37:02
  Speaker 1: pick her. Now that just proves that you know, you
• 37:08
  Speaker 1: don't want to be with him, like as if like
• 37:10
  Speaker 1: he had to like put the nail in his own
• 37:12
  Speaker 1: Coffin anymore. Yeah, well, it sets us up for this
• 37:15
  Speaker 1: good episode that we obviously it was not in favor
• 37:20
  Speaker 1: of Wan Pablo. He did not come off of this.
• 37:22
  Speaker 1: I don't think anybody's gonna wow, I liked Wan Pablo
• 37:25
  Speaker 1: more from it. I do think there'll be some maybe sympathy. Um,
• 37:30
  Speaker 1: I think there'll be some some opinions on, hey, wild,
• 37:34
  Speaker 1: you really dragged Wan Pablo through this all again, which
• 37:37
  Speaker 1: isn't super unexpected. He didn't do things great or well
• 37:41
  Speaker 1: or even halfway well. However, we don't know Wan Pablo,
• 37:44
  Speaker 1: but we have some women coming up that do know
• 37:46
  Speaker 1: Wan Pablo, and so I'm excited and ready to ask
• 37:49
  Speaker 1: Charlene joint her opinion on While Pablo and her opinion
• 37:53
  Speaker 1: on this good episode and see if he did, you know,
• 37:56
  Speaker 1: get dragged through again, if she felt like it was unfair, unjust,
• 37:59
  Speaker 1: or maybe she's like, yeah, he deserves every second. So
• 38:02
  Speaker 1: in a second after the break, we're gonna bring Charlene
• 38:06
  Speaker 1: joint In Amy Long from Wan Pablo Season onto the
• 38:09
  Speaker 1: podcast and dive in to this week's episode of the Goat. Alright, guys,
• 38:24
  Speaker 1: if you didn't fall in love with Charlie and joint
• 38:26
  Speaker 1: all over again last night watching Wan Pablos Goat episode
• 38:30
  Speaker 1: like You've Got Issues. We are joined here by Charlene Hey,
• 38:33
  Speaker 1: Charlie Hello, Ashley I, and Ben Higgins. You I mean
• 38:38
  Speaker 1: if I wow, you're a freaking cool girl, but like
• 38:42
  Speaker 1: you were so cool because you're so authentic and just
• 38:45
  Speaker 1: so real and you weren't filtered at all when it
• 38:48
  Speaker 1: came to you. Okay, says like you are. You are
• 38:50
  Speaker 1: the post of child for being authentic and being real.
• 38:53
  Speaker 1: So thank you. I think ever since the day we
• 38:56
  Speaker 1: ran into each other and met in the Delhi before
• 38:59
  Speaker 1: and I was like, don't go on the show. It's terrible,
• 39:02
  Speaker 1: so unbelievable. It ends up changing your life and you
• 39:05
  Speaker 1: met the love of your life. It's like the worst
• 39:07
  Speaker 1: advice in the world. No, it's okay, at least I
• 39:10
  Speaker 1: didn't take it seriously. Yes, Um, okay, So watching this back,
• 39:15
  Speaker 1: like I know that you. You didn't love watching yourself
• 39:18
  Speaker 1: back the first time around, and people called out certain
• 39:21
  Speaker 1: moments that they felt were awkward. But I feel like
• 39:23
  Speaker 1: with these Goat episodes, people are looking back with so
• 39:26
  Speaker 1: much more clarity. Um. How many people were responding to
• 39:32
  Speaker 1: you on Instagram and Twitter last night being like, oh
• 39:34
  Speaker 1: my gosh, you're so amazing, Like how much positivity did
• 39:36
  Speaker 1: you get yesterday? I got a lot, and it was
• 39:39
  Speaker 1: a little overwhelming because that truly was my only go
• 39:43
  Speaker 1: on TV and it was a long time ago, like
• 39:45
  Speaker 1: pre Instagram being as big as it is now. Uh,
• 39:49
  Speaker 1: it was very sweet, but I am naturally, unfortunately one
• 39:52
  Speaker 1: of those people that tends to focus on the negative.
• 39:54
  Speaker 1: I'm working on this. So as as sweet as it is, uh,
• 39:58
  Speaker 1: you know, it's it's very but I also feel like
• 40:02
  Speaker 1: whatever you see on TV is just such a tiny
• 40:04
  Speaker 1: facet of who I am. It's like, in no way
• 40:06
  Speaker 1: doesn't really represent me. So it's flattering, but it's also
• 40:09
  Speaker 1: like I take it with a grain of salt, do you? So?
• 40:13
  Speaker 1: With that being said, as you watch yourself back and
• 40:16
  Speaker 1: then also as you watch the season bag, what else
• 40:19
  Speaker 1: would you have loved to show about yourself that you
• 40:22
  Speaker 1: couldn't capture on television? I mean that is a that's
• 40:25
  Speaker 1: a deep one, then asked by a former lead. Uh,
• 40:31
  Speaker 1: you know, I remember watching it back and thinking, man,
• 40:34
  Speaker 1: I look like I have a giant stick up my ass,
• 40:36
  Speaker 1: Like I just looked really unfun and like I take
• 40:38
  Speaker 1: myself and the whole thing way too seriously. And I
• 40:42
  Speaker 1: think it's possible to take that seriously but not take
• 40:45
  Speaker 1: yourself too seriously and not take it all too seriously,
• 40:48
  Speaker 1: Like there's a fine line, as both of you know.
• 40:51
  Speaker 1: And I just I kind of wish I hadn't let
• 40:54
  Speaker 1: it get to me, especially in the later stages, like
• 40:56
  Speaker 1: I was crying a lot. I was, you know, just
• 40:58
  Speaker 1: really down. I was home sick, and as your friends
• 41:01
  Speaker 1: get sent home, you're like, I'm alone, and I just
• 41:04
  Speaker 1: you get clarity when you're out of the bubble, like immediately,
• 41:07
  Speaker 1: and I just sort of wished I had taken it
• 41:09
  Speaker 1: a little more in stride and just laughed about it
• 41:12
  Speaker 1: all a bit more and shown that side of myself
• 41:16
  Speaker 1: because it's real, it really represents me more than you know,
• 41:20
  Speaker 1: Oh I'm so smart, Like that's just so not who
• 41:22
  Speaker 1: I am. I really wish that I had just been
• 41:25
  Speaker 1: let's just let loose a bit. You came across very smart,
• 41:29
  Speaker 1: but not in like the Kelsey Poe way where it
• 41:31
  Speaker 1: was like I'm intelligent and she's not. You just can't
• 41:34
  Speaker 1: regretly that was your natural self. That's thank you. That's
• 41:39
  Speaker 1: a nice way of putting it. I think that I
• 41:42
  Speaker 1: went into it really like paranoid. I was like, Oh,
• 41:46
  Speaker 1: the producers are at to get me. Like the first
• 41:49
  Speaker 1: impression Rose was the best example of that, because I
• 41:51
  Speaker 1: was convinced that they had told me to give it
• 41:53
  Speaker 1: to me, and I was just like, I was just
• 41:55
  Speaker 1: like overthinking everything and analyzing everything. And I think that
• 42:01
  Speaker 1: comes off as you know, thinking you're too good for
• 42:04
  Speaker 1: it or too smart for it, when it's not really
• 42:07
  Speaker 1: my It wasn't really in my intention. It was more
• 42:09
  Speaker 1: that I had watched the season for so many years.
• 42:11
  Speaker 1: Actually I think you had as well. Yeah, and like
• 42:14
  Speaker 1: I was just like, you know, you're in, You're seeing
• 42:17
  Speaker 1: how the sausage is made, and I was just I
• 42:19
  Speaker 1: was just two in my head way too in my head.
• 42:23
  Speaker 1: Last night seemed like a pile on to me of
• 42:25
  Speaker 1: wam Pablo. He has tweeted a few times and he
• 42:29
  Speaker 1: was obviously annoyed. What's interesting is that the show makes
• 42:32
  Speaker 1: him seem like an actual horrendous person and you girled
• 42:35
  Speaker 1: a lot of you went on social media and kind
• 42:38
  Speaker 1: of defended him. So how do you feel about how
• 42:41
  Speaker 1: they represented him, especially last night? Like having bachelorettes like
• 42:45
  Speaker 1: Caitlin Um and Becca who have never met him and
• 42:48
  Speaker 1: just rip on him. I'm so glad you touched on that.
• 42:52
  Speaker 1: I it was pretty painful to watch. If I'm honest.
• 42:56
  Speaker 1: I think we all make mistakes, and you certainly know that,
• 43:01
  Speaker 1: you know if you went back and we're in that position,
• 43:02
  Speaker 1: and I can't speak to that position, but I'm sure
• 43:04
  Speaker 1: you do some things differently as we all would, but
• 43:07
  Speaker 1: especially as the lead, I just think so much. I
• 43:13
  Speaker 1: think that people wanted to misunderstand him. There came a
• 43:17
  Speaker 1: point where that happened, and the show really leaned into
• 43:20
  Speaker 1: that he wasn't that bad, you know, he really he
• 43:23
  Speaker 1: I he was a lovely person, especially to the women
• 43:27
  Speaker 1: he was genuinely interested in. Now you can criticize him
• 43:29
  Speaker 1: for not giving every woman that same treatment, but at
• 43:32
  Speaker 1: the same time, would you not rather that authenticity on
• 43:35
  Speaker 1: both sides. It's a bit of a quandary for sure,
• 43:40
  Speaker 1: but I think that it is reprehensible to rake him
• 43:45
  Speaker 1: over the coals one more time for good measure, to
• 43:48
  Speaker 1: remind us how great but Claire is for bachelorette. When
• 43:50
  Speaker 1: Claire is great for bachelorette with or without that, in
• 43:53
  Speaker 1: my opinion, absolute freaking lately. Alright, look, we should talk
• 43:58
  Speaker 1: about Claire. How what was your what was your relationship
• 44:02
  Speaker 1: with her in the house, Claire, Claire and I have
• 44:06
  Speaker 1: nothing bad to say about Claire. I honestly thought we
• 44:09
  Speaker 1: were friends until I watched it back and she kind
• 44:11
  Speaker 1: of said a few things about me, and and that's
• 44:12
  Speaker 1: always a little like traumatizing. You're like, oh, yeah, I was,
• 44:17
  Speaker 1: as you know. But I have nothing bad to say
• 44:21
  Speaker 1: about Claire. I think that she's perfect for the role.
• 44:25
  Speaker 1: I've always thought that she would make a great bachelotte,
• 44:27
  Speaker 1: and I thought there was a very good chance she
• 44:29
  Speaker 1: would get cast actually right out of our season. So
• 44:32
  Speaker 1: and actually I remember a Lawn telling me that he
• 44:34
  Speaker 1: always he was like, Claire would make a great bachelorette.
• 44:37
  Speaker 1: That was so many years ago, and you know he's
• 44:40
  Speaker 1: long gone, but he's getting his wishes. He is, you know,
• 44:44
  Speaker 1: before we let you go, because I know we're in
• 44:46
  Speaker 1: a tight, tight time crunch here, I do want to
• 44:49
  Speaker 1: just add a little bit of encouragement to you because
• 44:51
  Speaker 1: we haven't you know, we haven't done enough yet. Uh.
• 44:55
  Speaker 1: We had Andy Dorfman on an in depth episode about
• 44:57
  Speaker 1: a week and a half ago, and she said something
• 44:59
  Speaker 1: that I remember about you, Charlotte, and I've We've never
• 45:03
  Speaker 1: been on a meet in person, but I've heard a
• 45:04
  Speaker 1: lot about you from mutual friends and girls from you
• 45:06
  Speaker 1: know that were on my season who have a ton
• 45:08
  Speaker 1: of respect for you. Andy said she on Night one
• 45:11
  Speaker 1: got out of the limo or was in a limo,
• 45:14
  Speaker 1: I don't know the time, I don't remember the exact
• 45:16
  Speaker 1: time frame, and she saw you and the first thing
• 45:19
  Speaker 1: that came to her mind was I don't belong here,
• 45:21
  Speaker 1: because this woman is absolutely gorgeous. And then I remember
• 45:26
  Speaker 1: watching this season and there was a moment and that
• 45:28
  Speaker 1: you were sitting on a soccer field or a football field,
• 45:31
  Speaker 1: in the middle of like the field, right, remember this, Yeah,
• 45:33
  Speaker 1: you remember this, And it was a super awkward scene
• 45:37
  Speaker 1: because you, yeah, sitting in the middle of a soccer
• 45:41
  Speaker 1: field with nobody else around and you're talking. And that
• 45:43
  Speaker 1: stands out to me because I do think and I
• 45:47
  Speaker 1: could be wrong, but there was just like in the
• 45:49
  Speaker 1: first word that comes to my mind is glamorous or
• 45:51
  Speaker 1: just like you stood out amongst the masses, which doesn't
• 45:54
  Speaker 1: happen easily from this show. And I just want to
• 45:57
  Speaker 1: give you some encouragement to say Andy, who was a
• 46:00
  Speaker 1: Bachelor app who was on your season, and then me
• 46:03
  Speaker 1: years past. Uh, you know that season airing still remembers
• 46:08
  Speaker 1: that moment and goes that woman stands out above the rest,
• 46:11
  Speaker 1: and I think you have continued to do that. And
• 46:13
  Speaker 1: so I just want to say thank you for coming
• 46:14
  Speaker 1: on the podcast, thank you for sharing your time with us,
• 46:17
  Speaker 1: and uh and yeah, we we loved you just as
• 46:19
  Speaker 1: much during this good episode as we did from your
• 46:21
  Speaker 1: season to that. Oh, it's add on to that. You're
• 46:25
  Speaker 1: so memorable and you were only on one season and
• 46:29
  Speaker 1: you were top six, Like, way to go, way toge.
• 46:34
  Speaker 1: You're going to laugh at this. One time. Nick was like, wait,
• 46:38
  Speaker 1: you were only on that one season, right, And I'm
• 46:40
  Speaker 1: like yeah, He's like, I don't know if there's anyone
• 46:42
  Speaker 1: who's done more with so little than you. That sounds yeah,
• 46:46
  Speaker 1: that sounds very yeah, very Nick Like it's like a
• 46:49
  Speaker 1: compliment that you're like, I don't know what to say. Hey, Charlene,
• 46:54
  Speaker 1: thanks for coming on. We appreciate you and uh and
• 46:56
  Speaker 1: we'll be keeping up with you as time goes on.
• 46:59
  Speaker 1: Thank you for having me by for a person who
• 47:12
  Speaker 1: made a real splash on one public season to somebody
• 47:14
  Speaker 1: who was eliminated a little bit earlier, we had any
• 47:17
  Speaker 1: long joining us. Hey, Amy Ashley, how are you good?
• 47:21
  Speaker 1: How are you so? We know you're limited? Week two
• 47:24
  Speaker 1: of one public season? How well did you get to
• 47:26
  Speaker 1: know the guy? I mean not that much, not that much,
• 47:31
  Speaker 1: but more than what TV showed, of course, but there's
• 47:34
  Speaker 1: always that they always picked the most interesting part of
• 47:37
  Speaker 1: the conversation and go with it. So then, looking back
• 47:42
  Speaker 1: on your experience, how could you summarize it knowing that
• 47:45
  Speaker 1: it probably ended quicker than you were hopeful. Definitely ended
• 47:49
  Speaker 1: quicker than I was hopeful, But I think also ended
• 47:51
  Speaker 1: faster than even producers thought that it might. I mean,
• 47:55
  Speaker 1: they time to come out to my hometown, and I
• 47:57
  Speaker 1: don't know, really, I know they just seemed more encouraging.
• 48:01
  Speaker 1: They probably do that to everybody to make them hopeful.
• 48:04
  Speaker 1: But um, I thought I was going to be around
• 48:06
  Speaker 1: a little more because I don't really feel like I
• 48:08
  Speaker 1: got that fair of a shot. I wasn't even really
• 48:10
  Speaker 1: invited on a date. He just kept me around because
• 48:13
  Speaker 1: I don't know. Um, But well, watching everything back last
• 48:17
  Speaker 1: night on the greatest ever time I was, it brought
• 48:22
  Speaker 1: back so many memories of how excited I was and
• 48:24
  Speaker 1: how open I was to that kind of relationship at
• 48:27
  Speaker 1: that time, and and I still felt that way. I
• 48:30
  Speaker 1: was like, yes, those were all very real feelings. However,
• 48:33
  Speaker 1: watching it back, I can kind of see how the
• 48:37
  Speaker 1: whole experience was a little bit more um produced in
• 48:43
  Speaker 1: certain ways, I guess, but it was it was still
• 48:46
  Speaker 1: those feelings in that moment. We're all real kind of
• 48:48
  Speaker 1: like how how all of the girls came back and said,
• 48:50
  Speaker 1: oh my goodness, yes, that was That's like a fresh
• 48:52
  Speaker 1: wound again. That's crazy watching his season back, did you think, oh,
• 48:57
  Speaker 1: I dodged a bullet by getting eliminated. We two, I
• 49:00
  Speaker 1: didn't waste time or were you like I would have
• 49:02
  Speaker 1: rather gone along further so I could have just lived
• 49:06
  Speaker 1: the experience more. Uh in the moment and still now
• 49:10
  Speaker 1: I guess I would like to have lived the experience
• 49:12
  Speaker 1: a little bit more. I don't like I said, it
• 49:15
  Speaker 1: was hard to get to know him too much, and
• 49:18
  Speaker 1: I wasn't there that long, but we did have interesting conversations.
• 49:22
  Speaker 1: The whole premise of the show is to hopefully find love,
• 49:24
  Speaker 1: and I knew from the very beginning. Um he interrupted
• 49:28
  Speaker 1: me three times when I first got out of the
• 49:30
  Speaker 1: Lima before I could even say my name. So I
• 49:32
  Speaker 1: was like, well, this is not off to a great start.
• 49:35
  Speaker 1: But I'm still like, maybe he's overwhelmed. I'm overwhelmed. This
• 49:38
  Speaker 1: is completely new for all of us. So who knows. Um, So,
• 49:41
  Speaker 1: I wish I were there a little longer, not only
• 49:44
  Speaker 1: to get to know him, but even some of the
• 49:46
  Speaker 1: other people that were on my season. I really enjoyed
• 49:48
  Speaker 1: them a lot. But you know, they went on this
• 49:51
  Speaker 1: crazy journey then, and yeah, it was. It was a
• 49:56
  Speaker 1: crazy experience. I still can't believe I did it. I
• 49:58
  Speaker 1: kind of wish it would have lasted a a little
• 50:00
  Speaker 1: longer in that aspect, but I'm glad that, like nobody's
• 50:03
  Speaker 1: time was wasted on my end anyway, the it's always
• 50:07
  Speaker 1: interesting amy to sit down with people who were eliminated
• 50:10
  Speaker 1: earlier than they probably should have been. Um, And I
• 50:13
  Speaker 1: don't know you personally, but I'm assuming that, like you
• 50:15
  Speaker 1: have things that want Pablo would have loved to get
• 50:18
  Speaker 1: to know better. Right, UM, how how for you was
• 50:22
  Speaker 1: that if you can go back to that moment, what
• 50:24
  Speaker 1: was the feeling like knowing that you risk a lot,
• 50:28
  Speaker 1: that you went on to this show that you put
• 50:30
  Speaker 1: yourself out there, and then the feelings of going home
• 50:35
  Speaker 1: within two weeks, like what was the emotions like around that.
• 50:39
  Speaker 1: I don't why. I don't feel like anybody really could
• 50:42
  Speaker 1: even get a good judgment of me. Um. I work
• 50:46
  Speaker 1: in TV news, so I'm very higher aware of cameras,
• 50:50
  Speaker 1: so I was like, I'm not gonna act like an
• 50:51
  Speaker 1: asshole every here. We gotta like keep it cool just
• 50:54
  Speaker 1: in case Grandpa's watching. But I, um, I was kind
• 50:58
  Speaker 1: of humiliated, just because it is a lot to be like,
• 51:01
  Speaker 1: all right, very and as you guys know, a very
• 51:04
  Speaker 1: small pool of people even knew what I was doing
• 51:07
  Speaker 1: in the first place. But then I was like, oh crap,
• 51:10
  Speaker 1: I have to relive all of this in a couple
• 51:12
  Speaker 1: of months. But thank goodness, I went to Florida State
• 51:15
  Speaker 1: in the national championship game was on that night, so
• 51:17
  Speaker 1: I was like, we're just gonna watch them. Yeah, how
• 51:23
  Speaker 1: well did you get to know Claire during your week there? Um?
• 51:26
  Speaker 1: I I did. Actually, you know how they're like everybody's
• 51:30
  Speaker 1: so new, so um certain producers, everybody is so kind
• 51:34
  Speaker 1: to of course, everybody's in the house in the very beginning,
• 51:37
  Speaker 1: putting their best foot forward for the most part, and
• 51:41
  Speaker 1: so it was easy to get to know girls right away. Um,
• 51:44
  Speaker 1: Claire and I had a whole day at home together whenever,
• 51:49
  Speaker 1: you know, there was a big group date, so it
• 51:51
  Speaker 1: was one thing to know where then we were actually
• 51:53
  Speaker 1: the cameraman because like I said, I worked in TV
• 51:56
  Speaker 1: news and I was my own one man ban reporter.
• 51:58
  Speaker 1: So they let me like play with the cameras and
• 52:01
  Speaker 1: I was shooting interviews with Molly's dog and playing like
• 52:03
  Speaker 1: with Claire and she's like holding the boom, and um,
• 52:06
  Speaker 1: I think my favorite parts of that whole season were
• 52:09
  Speaker 1: the outtakes of that day probably, But and then they
• 52:14
  Speaker 1: were like, hey, why don't you go ask her about
• 52:15
  Speaker 1: her kiss with Juan Pablo? And I was like, well,
• 52:18
  Speaker 1: I don't want to know about her kissing, but sure
• 52:23
  Speaker 1: I will go ask her about that, because you need
• 52:25
  Speaker 1: someone to problem too that conversation. But I feel like
• 52:29
  Speaker 1: also Claire very much had her head in the game.
• 52:31
  Speaker 1: I don't know, it's not that she wasn't there to
• 52:33
  Speaker 1: make friends. She's a lovely human, but she also like
• 52:36
  Speaker 1: knew her end goal was to pursue this person, and
• 52:41
  Speaker 1: not necessarily that really on at least the best friends
• 52:45
  Speaker 1: with everybody if that makes sense, So Amy, confirm or deny. Uh,
• 52:52
  Speaker 1: the report came out years ago that you were asked
• 52:55
  Speaker 1: to be on Bachelor in Paradise. It is true. I
• 53:00
  Speaker 1: I was actually seriously considering it, and um, I still
• 53:04
  Speaker 1: kind of like, I wonder if they need another bartender.
• 53:10
  Speaker 1: But there was a reason. There was a reason that
• 53:13
  Speaker 1: you didn't go on Paradise, and that was because you
• 53:15
  Speaker 1: started dating Drew Kinney and he he who season was
• 53:21
  Speaker 1: he on? He was on Deserts. So the whole backstory,
• 53:25
  Speaker 1: this was just kind of funny whenever I was doing
• 53:27
  Speaker 1: the whole hopefully and uh, you know, we were quarantining
• 53:32
  Speaker 1: before it was cool over there, but you know, staying
• 53:35
  Speaker 1: to question in your hotel room and all of that.
• 53:37
  Speaker 1: The like. During that process, they had kind of told
• 53:41
  Speaker 1: me to check out Desert Season because the potential bachelor
• 53:44
  Speaker 1: is going to be on. Well, there are only three
• 53:46
  Speaker 1: people left at that point, so I was like, I
• 53:47
  Speaker 1: can do this. I can watch a couple of seasons,
• 53:49
  Speaker 1: a couple of episodes of this, but I think that
• 53:53
  Speaker 1: and I'll honestly, looking back, all of us girls on
• 53:56
  Speaker 1: one public season. Um, and if you remember, they so
• 54:00
  Speaker 1: added some girls, so there were extra girls at the
• 54:02
  Speaker 1: end of the night. They were like I thought they
• 54:04
  Speaker 1: captured at whatever number it was, but then there ended
• 54:06
  Speaker 1: up being like five more. Um. I think we were
• 54:10
  Speaker 1: all kind of picked for either like Brooks Forrester or
• 54:14
  Speaker 1: Drew Kitty, and that's why that's what they told me, Hey,
• 54:18
  Speaker 1: check it out and there's three left, and like, let
• 54:20
  Speaker 1: us know what you're thinking. And whenever they called me
• 54:24
  Speaker 1: just to say, hey, this is gonna be one poblo,
• 54:26
  Speaker 1: do you still unto it? I was like, sure, why not?
• 54:28
  Speaker 1: But then after one publo all of that was over,
• 54:31
  Speaker 1: I was like, wonder what this too canny guys up to.
• 54:33
  Speaker 1: So whenever they flew me out to ask me, like, hey,
• 54:36
  Speaker 1: do you want to be on Bachelor in Paradise, it's
• 54:37
  Speaker 1: this new show, And my initial reaction was I kind
• 54:42
  Speaker 1: of felt humiliated going home so early. I don't know
• 54:44
  Speaker 1: if I want to do that to myself again. And
• 54:46
  Speaker 1: things were also picking up in my career too, so
• 54:48
  Speaker 1: I didn't know that I can just leave it and
• 54:50
  Speaker 1: run around on a beach, because it's kind of the
• 54:52
  Speaker 1: opposite of what I should be preturing if I want
• 54:56
  Speaker 1: to be taken. Seriously, these were all thoughts that I
• 54:58
  Speaker 1: were having I was having in my in my head
• 55:00
  Speaker 1: at the time. I kind of wish I could go
• 55:02
  Speaker 1: back and be like, yes, let's do it together. But
• 55:04
  Speaker 1: he made it. Drew Kenny was runner up on Desiree
• 55:08
  Speaker 1: season and that was one season before me. He had
• 55:11
  Speaker 1: been through enough at that point and he didn't want
• 55:14
  Speaker 1: to expose, you know, any more of his family and
• 55:17
  Speaker 1: he had just kind of had it. And we met
• 55:20
  Speaker 1: actually on one of my trips out there to talk
• 55:22
  Speaker 1: about being on Bachelor in Paradise because he lived in
• 55:25
  Speaker 1: l A. I lived in Florida still, so I actually
• 55:28
  Speaker 1: messaged him. I was like are you are you were?
• 55:30
  Speaker 1: You asked like, what's what's the deal? So we were
• 55:33
  Speaker 1: kind of hooking up on Instagram before it was cool
• 55:36
  Speaker 1: and I was a deal and are you gonna do it?
• 55:40
  Speaker 1: And I'm not really sure about this show because it
• 55:42
  Speaker 1: was the first time they had ever even I mentioned it,
• 55:45
  Speaker 1: so I was thinking, yeah, like, what's the goal here?
• 55:49
  Speaker 1: We all gonna look ridiculous or I don't know. We
• 55:53
  Speaker 1: both decided not to do it because we found each
• 55:55
  Speaker 1: other instead, and we were like, we don't really need
• 55:57
  Speaker 1: that show to finding each other. We already found each
• 55:59
  Speaker 1: other there and that's funny enough. We went on a
• 56:03
  Speaker 1: trip to Mexico that summer and we just had the blast.
• 56:08
  Speaker 1: And I flew out a day early because how to
• 56:10
  Speaker 1: get back to work. He ended up running into the
• 56:13
  Speaker 1: long Gale and Christops and Chris Harrison and the airport
• 56:17
  Speaker 1: on his way back from Mexico. They were filming into Loom.
• 56:20
  Speaker 1: So that's awesome. I was. Yeah, so I was like,
• 56:25
  Speaker 1: this is this is kind of funny. So I didn't
• 56:27
  Speaker 1: messile on a Mexican adventure, Mexico adventure over here, like
• 56:31
  Speaker 1: and I got to go with the person I loved,
• 56:33
  Speaker 1: so it was perfect. How long were you together? Um,
• 56:37
  Speaker 1: we're still in l a together. So wait, you guys
• 56:40
  Speaker 1: are together six years? No? Yeah? Yeah. So it's crazy
• 56:49
  Speaker 1: because I think, like, oh, I wish I were to
• 56:52
  Speaker 1: stay in touch with some of my some of the
• 56:54
  Speaker 1: friends that really got a long with and we still
• 56:55
  Speaker 1: pay each other back on social media makes it really
• 56:57
  Speaker 1: easy for that. But I guess I I mean, I
• 57:00
  Speaker 1: still get my best friend from my bachelor experience and
• 57:03
  Speaker 1: just happened after the fact. Wait, this is wild. This
• 57:07
  Speaker 1: is a story that hasn't been shared enough in Bachelor
• 57:09
  Speaker 1: name pretty private like that. I guess, well, hey from us,
• 57:14
  Speaker 1: it's the almost famous podcast. Congrats, some big deal, a
• 57:18
  Speaker 1: story we didn't even know about it. Thanks guys, Thanks guys.
• 57:23
  Speaker 1: How are you guys doing? Then you're engaged. I'm engaged,
• 57:26
  Speaker 1: happily engaged, thrilled. Ashley's happily married, I think with two dogs,
• 57:33
  Speaker 1: and we are happily married and we have one dog,
• 57:38
  Speaker 1: but that one fine, Well there's always she was at
• 57:41
  Speaker 1: her parents house and so there's like six dogs. Yeah, yeah,
• 57:45
  Speaker 1: there she goes, she said. I wanted to say hi,
• 57:48
  Speaker 1: but yeah, well, depending on where we are in the country,
• 57:50
  Speaker 1: we have a number of dogs. Oh, Amy Long, you
• 57:57
  Speaker 1: are a dream. Hey, congrats again on behalf of all
• 58:00
  Speaker 1: of us. This is a bachelor success story that we
• 58:02
  Speaker 1: will celebrate. Uh please tell Drew hello for us, and uh,
• 58:09
  Speaker 1: we really appreciate you coming on. And I if all
• 58:12
  Speaker 1: else failed, I think you made the right decision, if
• 58:14
  Speaker 1: my opinion matters at all, by not going on Paradise
• 58:17
  Speaker 1: and pursuing this relationship that has proven to stay in
• 58:21
  Speaker 1: the test of time. Amy Long, thank you, Thank you.
• 58:25
  Speaker 1: Great to see you guys, by I mean thank you.
• 58:29
  Speaker 1: That's awesome. Thank you. Yeah, of course, I was actually
• 58:35
  Speaker 1: hoping to stick up for one pable a little bit more.
• 58:38
  Speaker 1: I'm not gonna lie. After rewatching his the episode, I
• 58:42
  Speaker 1: was like, man, I don't think that he had a
• 58:44
  Speaker 1: fair shot. We talked about it with Charlie and if
• 58:47
  Speaker 1: it makes you feel any better, okay, yeah, what she
• 58:51
  Speaker 1: actually had to say, I was like, I agree. I
• 58:53
  Speaker 1: always admired the hell out of her because she was
• 58:55
  Speaker 1: not a sophisticated and I'll again I was like, wow,
• 58:58
  Speaker 1: she's killer. She she seems to be a consistent voice
• 59:04
  Speaker 1: of not like reason and like logic and just like
• 59:09
  Speaker 1: a really caring voice. Um. So yeah, rough, you don't
• 59:14
  Speaker 1: just like you don't want to see these go Yeah
• 59:16
  Speaker 1: you don't want to see Yeah, you don't want to
• 59:17
  Speaker 1: see these goat episodes go and drag somebody through it again.
• 59:21
  Speaker 1: And it kind of felt like it did right, Um,
• 59:24
  Speaker 1: which is tough, but yeah, he uh that was rough.
• 59:29
  Speaker 1: Well I'm just yeah, I was like, I wonder what
• 59:32
  Speaker 1: he is doing today, but I don't know. I just
• 59:35
  Speaker 1: I was like, oh man, he just got it so bad.
• 59:39
  Speaker 1: But you know, I'm really happy for you. It's really
• 59:43
  Speaker 1: cool to be a bachelor family. And it was this
• 59:46
  Speaker 1: is a fun like revisit because I won't like, like,
• 59:48
  Speaker 1: I kind of avoided it for a while. It's really embarrassed.
• 59:51
  Speaker 1: And then I was like, one, am I embarrassed? This
• 59:53
  Speaker 1: is stupid? No, you know, And I think there's always
• 59:56
  Speaker 1: that moment where, you know, for me, it was a
• 59:58
  Speaker 1: little different because I got back, you know, I went
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 1: from the Bachelor to the Bachelor, and I saw the
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 1: beauty with I think I got to see the beauty
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 1: within the craziness of it all. And so I just
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 1: like really have enjoyed meeting the different contestants and the
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 1: people in their stories, um, and now seeing you know,
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 1: everybody come out on the better side of it all.
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 1: Like I think that's good. It's nothing to be embarrassed by.
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 1: Like everybody has these crazy stories from the show. Um.
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 1: But yeah, I just appreciate you coming on because life
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 1: has moved on, right, I'm engaged with somebody who's never
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 1: been a part of the show. But it's fun to
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 1: get to meet people like you who've done it, who've
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 1: been in it. And you know, I had no clue
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 1: and that's my fault that you were still in a
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 1: sense in it. And uh, I'm really happy to hear that.
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 1: Thank I'll pass that on to please do so. Thanks An. Yeah,
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 1: thanks guys, great to chat with you too. Well, we
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 1: want to think Charlie joint for joining this podcast. She
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 1: is a voice of reason and just tremendous voice in
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 1: the Bachelor family. If you want to hear her voice more, uh,
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 1: you have to go listen to her podcast, Dear Shandy.
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 1: It is terrific. Uh. You can hear her wisdom, her insight,
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 1: her elegance, and also her raw honesty. So again, go
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 1: check out Charlene's podcast, Dear Shandy. Well, our next guest
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 1: was not a part of Wan Pablo season. We're getting
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 1: a breath of fresh air from somebody that can offer it. Uh.
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 1: We have Heather Martin on the line right now. Heather
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 1: has been working on a few projects. She's been traveling
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 1: the US, uh, and we have her live. Heather, Welcome
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 1: to the podcast. Thanks for having me, guys, It's good
• 1:01:51
  Speaker 1: to be here. So Heather, catch us up a little bit.
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 1: I know we have some specific things we want to
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 1: talking about, especially the new music video coming out, some
• 1:01:59
  Speaker 1: of your projects you're working on. Also, I have been
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 1: following I think last evening this is going to come
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 1: off so weird. Um, And there's no other way to say.
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 1: I watched you in the bathtub um with Hannah Brown
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 1: answering questions to fans. So you have been up to
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 1: some stuff? What's been going on? So? I mean so
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 1: right now, Hannah the last minute last week it was
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 1: like you when it comes to this spot with me.
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 1: So currently I'm at this insane health spat, so she
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 1: said spot. I didn't realize so I was thinking just
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 1: like relaxing spat. But we're at this like it's called here, yes,
• 1:02:36
  Speaker 1: and it is insane. It's like absolutely stunning and it's
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 1: like European style in the hills. It's like absolutely beautiful,
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 1: but it is insane. Like we're working up at six
• 1:02:47
  Speaker 1: am and working out like all day and then being
• 1:02:51
  Speaker 1: like treated like queens and jumping around the golf car
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 1: and getting massages. So it's been pretty cool. But yeah,
• 1:03:00
  Speaker 1: where are you there for? Um? It's a three day
• 1:03:03
  Speaker 1: retreat so we leave today. But that's awesome. Have you
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 1: have you and Hannah always been this close or has
• 1:03:10
  Speaker 1: it been since she moved to California that you guys
• 1:03:13
  Speaker 1: got closer? Oh? No, And me and Hannah have always
• 1:03:16
  Speaker 1: been super close. Um, I haven't been able to hear us.
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 1: That's just because she's been on TV shows like for
• 1:03:23
  Speaker 1: the past year. But no, yeah, we've all believe them
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 1: close forever since the show the the This Retreat. Yeah again,
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 1: I have been watching you, um and this this retreat
• 1:03:37
  Speaker 1: does look amazing. Uh, just for anybody out there listening,
• 1:03:41
  Speaker 1: who you know, it's like, hey, I need a girls
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 1: get away or guys get away or couples get away,
• 1:03:46
  Speaker 1: whatever it is. How are you feeling three days into
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 1: a health and wellness retreat? Has it been worth it
• 1:03:52
  Speaker 1: for your friendship and for you personally? It is totally
• 1:03:56
  Speaker 1: unworth it. I mean we're kind of I feel like
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 1: we're not doing it in the way that everyone does it.
• 1:04:02
  Speaker 1: Like like last night we like so you're just calories
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 1: a day and we just, um, we went crazy last
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 1: night and like begged the front desk to let us
• 1:04:11
  Speaker 1: get some and sneak some pizza. And but no, it's
• 1:04:16
  Speaker 1: been feeling amazing for the most part, as long as like,
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 1: I feel like it would be even better if we're
• 1:04:22
  Speaker 1: actually eating great and but it's been. It's been great,
• 1:04:25
  Speaker 1: And it's been so fun to like actually connect with
• 1:04:27
  Speaker 1: Hannah again. And like just have someone on one time.
• 1:04:29
  Speaker 1: So so new something something that you have out is
• 1:04:34
  Speaker 1: a music video with loss in Bates is a song
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 1: called song for a Girl. How did you get in
• 1:04:40
  Speaker 1: a music video? So it's so so random. Um, it's
• 1:04:46
  Speaker 1: been like my life long goal. I'm like, there's like
• 1:04:48
  Speaker 1: there's one thing I want to do in life. It
• 1:04:50
  Speaker 1: was being a country music video, which is like the
• 1:04:52
  Speaker 1: most random thing, but it was so he just randomly
• 1:04:55
  Speaker 1: message gm mea on Instagram, was like, Hey, do you
• 1:04:58
  Speaker 1: want me in the music video? And I was like,
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 1: no questions asked, absolutely and so um yeah, he like
• 1:05:04
  Speaker 1: it would just message me in the beginning of July
• 1:05:07
  Speaker 1: and then like two weeks later he like flew um
• 1:05:10
  Speaker 1: their team flew me and my little sister out to Nashville.
• 1:05:13
  Speaker 1: And then yeah, that's kind of how it happened. That's
• 1:05:15
  Speaker 1: so cool. You join a whole bunch of bachelor girls
• 1:05:19
  Speaker 1: who have been in music videos. Now Tia has been
• 1:05:22
  Speaker 1: in a country music video, right, and so is hand
• 1:05:24
  Speaker 1: I think, Hannah Gee, am I'm making that up? Hannah
• 1:05:28
  Speaker 1: Gee did a butt like she was like she like
• 1:05:30
  Speaker 1: did a bunch of music videos, like even before the
• 1:05:32
  Speaker 1: show is there anybody a missing? I think Hannah and
• 1:05:36
  Speaker 1: oh yeah, thank you. I knew there was the other one. Yeah,
• 1:05:39
  Speaker 1: I think she did them too. There's obviously a plane here.
• 1:05:43
  Speaker 1: Country singers are singing seeing that's a target demographic. Did
• 1:05:46
  Speaker 1: you know team that I was once in a country
• 1:05:49
  Speaker 1: music No, but I was gonna say, I'm sure Lauren
• 1:05:52
  Speaker 1: Bushnell has been in a country music that would make sense. Yeah,
• 1:05:56
  Speaker 1: that would make sense. Um. I was in Ford's uh
• 1:06:01
  Speaker 1: country music video. You can look it up. I was
• 1:06:03
  Speaker 1: a school teacher who was just greatly um her and
• 1:06:08
  Speaker 1: confused by a girl. It's it's a great, a great watch.
• 1:06:12
  Speaker 1: Wait what was this was last year? Um? The song
• 1:06:19
  Speaker 1: is how You Lose a Woman by cult Ford. Um,
• 1:06:23
  Speaker 1: I do play a school teacher. Um, I am you know.
• 1:06:28
  Speaker 1: In fact, I'm not gonna give you too much away
• 1:06:30
  Speaker 1: because I think you need to go out and watch
• 1:06:32
  Speaker 1: this video. Um, but before you that, you have to
• 1:06:36
  Speaker 1: watch Heather's video that just came out. Then. Well, I
• 1:06:40
  Speaker 1: wasn't this in Hot Topics last year? Honestly, I don't know,
• 1:06:45
  Speaker 1: like I eliminated it from the Hot Topics. It is
• 1:06:48
  Speaker 1: actually it's really fun. Um I was distressed, but the
• 1:06:54
  Speaker 1: crazy part is so Heather. I don't know if you
• 1:06:57
  Speaker 1: had this experience, but you're kind of acting out whatever
• 1:07:01
  Speaker 1: it is that the artist asks of you during this
• 1:07:04
  Speaker 1: video and the kind of the music is playing in
• 1:07:07
  Speaker 1: the background, But you hear this song twenty thirty forty
• 1:07:11
  Speaker 1: I don't know how many times, and it's you know,
• 1:07:14
  Speaker 1: there's multiple cameras and there's multiple camera crews and there's producers. Uh,
• 1:07:18
  Speaker 1: it is a it is an intensive experience. How long
• 1:07:22
  Speaker 1: is your shoot? Was it one day or is it
• 1:07:24
  Speaker 1: multiple days? There's just one day. I like to consider
• 1:07:26
  Speaker 1: myself a one take guy. So yeah, and I do
• 1:07:31
  Speaker 1: know how to lose a woman no longer, but I did,
• 1:07:34
  Speaker 1: and so I was pretty good at it. That's amazing.
• 1:07:39
  Speaker 1: It was you in like the school the entire time.
• 1:07:41
  Speaker 1: Like was she a fellow teacher? Uh? Well, I don't
• 1:07:45
  Speaker 1: really know who the woman was that he was referencing
• 1:07:47
  Speaker 1: because she never showed up in the video. Um but
• 1:07:51
  Speaker 1: Colt played the janitor who was kind of overhearing my complaints,
• 1:07:56
  Speaker 1: and I was the school teacher in my office, frustrated,
• 1:08:00
  Speaker 1: its saddened her. I was making poor decisions. I was
• 1:08:03
  Speaker 1: staying at work too late. Um so when it comes
• 1:08:07
  Speaker 1: to though, Yeah, I'm not the topic here to talk about.
• 1:08:10
  Speaker 1: I get to talk about myself all the time on
• 1:08:11
  Speaker 1: this podcast. There's some flecting. Yeah about what is the song?
• 1:08:21
  Speaker 1: H what is the song that you played in? What
• 1:08:24
  Speaker 1: is that about? Um? It's so it's called song for
• 1:08:27
  Speaker 1: a Girl. So basically it's like a very lighthearted song
• 1:08:30
  Speaker 1: about he's singing a song. It's like a summertime vibe
• 1:08:34
  Speaker 1: song that he's like singing it about. He can't like
• 1:08:37
  Speaker 1: focus on writing or anything that he's doing because he's
• 1:08:40
  Speaker 1: just thinking about the girl. So that's pretty much it.
• 1:08:43
  Speaker 1: So yeah, People Magazine said it is depicting the early
• 1:08:46
  Speaker 1: stage of a blossoming romance. And when I see these
• 1:08:50
  Speaker 1: pictures of you with Lawson, I think, oh my god,
• 1:08:55
  Speaker 1: have there kissed another guy? Yeah? What I'm saying that like,
• 1:09:02
  Speaker 1: I'm looking at these pictures and I'm feeling a blossoming
• 1:09:05
  Speaker 1: romance between you two. Was there anything more than just
• 1:09:10
  Speaker 1: co stars here? No? No, wasn't there really wasn't he was.
• 1:09:19
  Speaker 1: He was literally he was so much fun. But yeah, no, Unfortunately, Well,
• 1:09:25
  Speaker 1: according to last night's uh Instagram live, UH, you are
• 1:09:30
  Speaker 1: looking for a man with a servant's heart who was
• 1:09:34
  Speaker 1: humble and kind of love. Have you found this man?
• 1:09:41
  Speaker 1: I have not. I have not found this man yet.
• 1:09:45
  Speaker 1: I feel like they're ben Where do you guys have
• 1:09:47
  Speaker 1: any suggestions far between? Well, we we know a lot
• 1:09:52
  Speaker 1: of people from the Bachelor franchise. I think some of
• 1:09:55
  Speaker 1: them would fall into this category. Uh, the for anybod
• 1:10:00
  Speaker 1: be out there right now that is single, that is dating,
• 1:10:04
  Speaker 1: how are you going about finding this man or this partner?
• 1:10:08
  Speaker 1: For you? Me? How am I? I'm really not. I
• 1:10:13
  Speaker 1: think that's the issue. You probably, I mean I don't.
• 1:10:17
  Speaker 1: I don't really, especially like right now. It's like, I
• 1:10:20
  Speaker 1: don't know, how do you meet people in this time?
• 1:10:22
  Speaker 1: It's really hard. You know, it's not easy. I mean
• 1:10:26
  Speaker 1: obviously you know there is the social distancing, there is
• 1:10:30
  Speaker 1: the pandemic. I don't know if dating has ever been easy.
• 1:10:32
  Speaker 1: I don't remember any generation that said that, Hey, dating
• 1:10:35
  Speaker 1: is super simple. But I had some advice and I
• 1:10:38
  Speaker 1: got to give a shout out to our scrubbing in
• 1:10:40
  Speaker 1: podcast friends Becca and Tanya. Tanya a little over a
• 1:10:47
  Speaker 1: year ago gave me some advice to any single person
• 1:10:50
  Speaker 1: out there, and this is what she told me. I
• 1:10:51
  Speaker 1: think it's I think it's simple, but I think it's
• 1:10:53
  Speaker 1: the best advice I've ever been given. Um. She said,
• 1:10:57
  Speaker 1: if you're single and you want a partner, some don't.
• 1:11:00
  Speaker 1: It's great. If you're single and looking, you can never
• 1:11:04
  Speaker 1: stop dating. Keep dating, go on bad dates, go on
• 1:11:08
  Speaker 1: good dates, go on dates in between. It helps you
• 1:11:11
  Speaker 1: not only get out there and find what you're looking for,
• 1:11:13
  Speaker 1: but it also helps you create stories and connect with
• 1:11:16
  Speaker 1: people that you typically wouldn't connect with. And I think
• 1:11:19
  Speaker 1: for me, I just took that and I've told any
• 1:11:21
  Speaker 1: of my single friends that like, if you're looking, just
• 1:11:23
  Speaker 1: don't stop dating. Get out there, have fun. People are
• 1:11:26
  Speaker 1: interested in all different sorts of people. That is that's
• 1:11:30
  Speaker 1: true because it's the total opposite. I recently told the
• 1:11:34
  Speaker 1: friend was like, I'm just like, I don't know, I
• 1:11:39
  Speaker 1: want to give up so bad. Um, And I was like,
• 1:11:42
  Speaker 1: and I was like, if you if you stop dating,
• 1:11:46
  Speaker 1: it doesn't mean that you're giving up. It just means that,
• 1:11:48
  Speaker 1: like the universe is going to help, is going to
• 1:11:52
  Speaker 1: get your guy to you in a different way. It'll
• 1:11:56
  Speaker 1: just come in a different way. And now you just
• 1:12:00
  Speaker 1: like show up at your doorstep. Yeah, like just going
• 1:12:02
  Speaker 1: around life like go grabbing a coffee and like then
• 1:12:05
  Speaker 1: there's a cute guy on lines something like that. I
• 1:12:08
  Speaker 1: don't know, you never know. I know. That's the thing
• 1:12:12
  Speaker 1: is like I just I really I love meeting new
• 1:12:15
  Speaker 1: people and I love like connecting with people. But I
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  Speaker 1: just I don't like I hate dating because like I
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  Speaker 1: hate going on a date and then then and then
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  Speaker 1: you just I feel like I kind of know immediately
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  Speaker 1: and it's like you have to say no to a
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  Speaker 1: second day. It's just like I feel terrible. It like
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  Speaker 1: stresses me out. It makes me feel like a terrible human,
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  Speaker 1: and so I just kind of try to avoid it,
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  Speaker 1: which is probably the wrong move. Well, you're young enough
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  Speaker 1: that if you want to avoid it, you can go
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  Speaker 1: ahead and avoid it. Actually, and I will disagree on this,
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  Speaker 1: I think you just keep dating. I think people can.
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  Speaker 1: I think people can take getting said no to a
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  Speaker 1: few times. I think you can. You can take saying
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  Speaker 1: no to people a few times. But you are a catch. Um,
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  Speaker 1: You're a terrific human. I hope you have a blast
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  Speaker 1: on this reat. Three. And and please, from from Ashley myself,
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  Speaker 1: please pass on to Hannah that we say hello and
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  Speaker 1: wishing her the best again. If you want to find
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  Speaker 1: Heather Martin. Uh, go listen to and watch Song for
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  Speaker 1: a Girl. This is a beautiful song. Uh. Heather is
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  Speaker 1: in the video and it's by Lawson Bates. Song for
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  Speaker 1: a Girl by Lawson Bates. Heather Martin, thank you for
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  Speaker 1: coming on. Awesome. Thanks guys on this podcast. Obviously at
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  Speaker 1: the beginning, we topped at this podcast. Obviously at the beginning,
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  Speaker 1: we hit some hot topics that are big and Bachelor Nation.
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  Speaker 1: We then went on to have some tremendous guests. We
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  Speaker 1: want to thank Charlene, Amy and Heather for coming on
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  Speaker 1: the podcast today. They were all terrific and all insightful
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  Speaker 1: and Uh. And then I want to thank my co
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  Speaker 1: host Ashley for sitting with us for the last hour
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  Speaker 1: plus walking through everything Bachelor. Hey, we'll talk to you
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  Speaker 1: next week. Uh. We have a really great in depth
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  Speaker 1: coming up. As we mentioned with Jason Tardik, it's going
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