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Doc Malik | A Thousand Words (Part 1 of 3) · UK Column Radio

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The threat is if you leave the cult, God will come down and
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smite you. Just everything's shattered.
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Like, you know, there's no, there is no democracy, there's
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no media, there's no true journalism.
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Well, I grew up in a cult in a in a Muslim cult cult within a
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cult. Amy arrive at the studio.
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I need a pee. So I quickly go to the toilet.
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David Icke is in the far right corner, exactly as I revisioned
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him in a blue sky jumper taking a piss.
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Doug Malik, Are you ready to be painted?
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Absolutely, this is very different.
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Yeah, well, you were surprised, weren't you?
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Because you thought we were. You thought you were going to
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interview me? Yeah, I'm such an idiot.
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Honestly, I'm just wasn't, I thought I was going to interview
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you and you're just going to be busy painting and then we can
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have a nice chat. It's essentially that.
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It's essentially that. I think you're very talented,
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seriously talented. Like I love your time lapse
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videos and showing them with the kids and the paint's all
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dripping. And part of me, it's like
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paint's dripping. And it's like, no, there's
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method to the madness. Trust the plan.
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Trust the plan. And yeah.
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And the kids are like, but there's no eyes.
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I'm like, yeah, just wait, wait, wait.
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It'll come. Yeah.
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And the eyes are difficult. I know because whenever I try
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and Draw Something I always mess up by the time I get to the
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eyes. OK, do you do bit drawing?
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No, I wouldn't call it that. You know what it's like when you
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just, yeah, one of the things I like doing with the kids is
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like, just draw things we've seen.
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So like we've just watched Pacific Rim and there's a big
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robot called Jager and my son loves them.
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So we we do competitions to draw the best Jaeger.
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What I like about your art is like you're literally creating
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something from nothing and you capture a lot.
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You capture like a bit of sadness, sometimes bit of
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pensive, then no one's ever smiling.
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That's for. Sure.
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No, I don't like that. Can't have that.
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Yeah. You're smiling.
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Yeah. It doesn't work in a God.
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You see. You see people paint and they
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paint people with big teethy grins.
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No, it doesn't work. Why?
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Why it doesn't? It's got a it has to look.
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Even if you work from a photograph, it has to look like
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you'd be able to hold that pose over a long time, because if it
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otherwise it looks like a snapshot.
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It doesn't look like a painting, really.
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And it looks, I don't know because it is a bit more
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serious, it's more dignified. My wife would be great for this
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because she's got a resting bitch face.
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I just got a resting OK. Whereas I kind of smile quite a
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lot. You, you, you have.
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Yeah, Your resting face is sort of mildly amused.
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Is a kind of mildly amused look, which is not.
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It's probably say something about you.
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I'm mildly amused at the world. Yeah, just mildly amused.
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Yeah, mildly. I've accepted things for what
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they are. Yeah.
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Has that been a process of acceptance?
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Have you struggled with acceptance?
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And what does that what what what do we mean by acceptance
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exactly? That the world is completely not
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what I thought it was up until even two years ago.
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So not even the beginning of COVID.
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Even two years ago, OK. Just everything shattered like,
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you know, there's no, there is no democracy, there is no real
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NHS there to help you and make you healthy.
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There's no, there's no media, there's no true journalism.
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TV is telling a vision and propagandising everything.
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Everything. Religion.
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Religion is not what I thought it was religions.
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What? What did you think religion was?
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Well, I grew up in a cult. OK, Catholic or Islam or?
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In a in a Muslim cult, cult within a cult.
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Oh, a cult within a cult. Yeah, OK.
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But you know, when you're in a cult, you don't think you're in
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a cult. Well, this is.
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No one who's in a cult thinks they're in a cult.
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Isn't that the the key to it really?
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I got, I once got contacted by someone from the Church of
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Scientology. This is when my ex account blew
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up after I spoke out against COVID vaccines and they were
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trying to recruit me to the Church of Scientology.
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And I said isn't, isn't the Church of Scientology A cult?
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He was like, what do you mean by that?
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Well, what is a cult? And I was like, well,
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charismatic leadership that you can't question blindly obedient
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followers who police other cult members and make sure they obey,
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total control of your lives, social professional.
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It's always an element of money involved, sometimes even sexual
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things going on, and you can't question.
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And if you disobey or are bad, the biggest threat is
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excommunication. You get banished from the cult.
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And the reality is there's a lot of those around.
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I think there's more than people really at first realised, didn't
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they? Many of them aren't even
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religious. No vaccine cult.
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Yeah. Climate cult?
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Yeah, go on and on. Yeah, Hollywood cult, fame cult.
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So yeah, I was in this cult within the slum and I didn't
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realise this cult. I just thought it was a bit
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weird. It took a long time for me to
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extricate out of that. I think I was about 30 by the
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time I thought I've had enough of this.
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Oh, OK. But it's difficult when you're
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in that your whole life is that your community, your friends,
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your family. And you know, the threat is if
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you leave the cult, God will come down and smite you.
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You know, you're bad, you're an apostate, you know, And then you
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start looking into history. History is all a lie.
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First World War, Second World War, all the revolutions,
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everything, Everything's just the moon landing.
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Did that actually happen? 911 Well, that that was not what
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we were taught. So it just you just start
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thinking everything you know about the world around you isn't
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actually as it seems. That can be quite unsettling and
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scary. Yeah, I think that's why a lot
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of people don't make that leap, isn't it?
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It is very unsettling. Do you think it's to do with our
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response to trauma? You know, if we're all
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traumatised and we're to some extent by our relationship with
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our family and predominantly our parents, and then we sort of
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become adults and think we've got some kind of normality in
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our lives maybe. And then someone comes along and
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says, Oh, well, not only do your parents not really love you
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properly in the way that they should have done, could have
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done, would have done, the government certainly don't love
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you in the way that you think they might be out for you.
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And I think just for some people, I don't know if you
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agree, but it's just too much like surely someone loves me,
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like surely not I. Think you're so right.
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So did you have like trauma from your childhood?
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Well, I had a great normal childhood but at the same time,
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without being indulgent, I do recognise the trauma, you know,
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I think some people still have a kind of stiff upper lip kind of
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mentality, you know. And it's not to be indulgent to
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say, but because I think everyone really in this society
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is, you know, unless you've got very, very rare parents, you
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know, society and your parents will F you up, won't they?
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You know, that's is it, Philip Larkin.
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So what? What is it that your parents did
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that could have like, 'cause that in you?
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And how did that manifest itself?
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Overachiever. Underachiever.
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What happened? Just too laid back, hippie on
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some respects and then too distant perhaps in other
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respects. Just dealing with their own
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stuff, not really knowing how to.
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My mum did, to some extent, communicate with me and teach me
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how to be open, and I think there's a residual effects of
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that. But it's funny.
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I was listening to your chat with Danny and you talked about
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some of the things your mum was saying to you.
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And still ongoing. Yeah, of course.
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Yeah, I'm sure. But it reminded me of something.
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I remember being on holiday with my mum and we were walking on
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the beach and Van Morrison came on the radio.
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I can't, I don't know what tune it was and I just remember my
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mum turning into my dad and saying it's funny isn't it?
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It's got a great voice. I really like Van Morrison, but
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it's. Like.
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It's funny how he became so popular, being such a little
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funny looking bloke like that, you know?
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And there's some reason I remember that throwaway comment.
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I mean, it was a throwaway comment, but suddenly I was 13.
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I was around that age. I was like, this is my role
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model, this is my female role model, and she's given me this
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message that if you look a bit funny, you don't deserve to be
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successful or you can't express art or anything.
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She didn't even think she was saying anything.
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This is. Such a good point.
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You know, and when you send about how your mum was talking
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to you, you know, and her stuff, you know, you said it very
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philosophically and forgiving, you know, you understand that
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your mum's got her stuff, but they still have consequences,
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aren't they these? It has got consequences.
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These things that happen, you know.
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May 100% And so it's this tiniest, littlest things that as
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a little child you just walk away with.
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And so the abuse, one thing I realised, it's not all sexual
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abuse, it's just psychological. It's just all, a lot of it is in
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your head and it's most of it is before the age of 7.
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And then the way it manifests is you either feel that you're not
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good enough, that you're rejected or that you're
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abandoned. And then, yeah, and then that
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plays out as you get older. But I think individuals can be
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traumatised and families can be traumatised, communities,
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countries, nations, if we can see that around the world right
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now. Yeah, I mean, you'd go back a
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couple of generations, you'd think what they want.
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You know, Vicky's nan, she just died recently.
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She was 101. She'd tell the stories about
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we're from Birmingham and tell the stories about how she was
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running from the planes coming over and bombing.
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She was diving on the ground and, you know, like the films,
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classic films, you go, you know, and she lost a house.
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Her husband came back. I think they gave him a lobotomy
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because of his PTSD from the, you know, like it's just like a
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couple of generations down and how, how?
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She was asked. That's The funny thing about
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trauma, in the sense that I've been through a lot of trauma and
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it's made me quite tough and resilient.
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Yeah. So in some respects, I'm really
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grateful I went through that. And I worry about my kids
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because their life is so easy and soft.
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Are they getting the training to cope when they get older?
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So trauma's not good, but at the same time not having it makes
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you soft and weak and not resilient.
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It's really funny. Yeah.
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Was that saying, isn't there good?
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Was it? Strong men breed good times,
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good times bring weak men. Weak men breed bad times.
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It's a kind of cycle, I suppose. Yeah, I feel the same sometimes
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with with my son, but I don't want him to go through.
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I don't. You you just need to say around
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him next time. Look at that funny looking man.
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It's funny how he got successful.
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I've won't see Doc Malik do he's this bald, funny looking man.
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He's got quite a good podcast go.
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He's really strange and that's it.
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You've done that. He's grown up really through
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COVID. A lot of the development is
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before 7, isn't it? He was 7 when COVID came, but
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he's quite grounded, you know, because we just talk about, I
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mean, I'm, I'm quite positive. Like, I know this real shit
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stuff going on in the world, but my overall I believe we live in
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a benevolent universe. So I I suppose he has that kind
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of ground to. What makes you positive?
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I suppose stuff that I've gone through and my own breakdown and
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rebuilding and and and taking things right back to basics and.
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You had a breakdown. Yeah, big, big breakdown.
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What happened then? Oh, I got you.
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No, we should be talking about you because otherwise I'll just
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like. We can share our breakdowns.
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Wait, I need to hear your breakdown first.
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Well, I'd just left university and I'd done quite well and
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everything was sort of rosy. Nice girlfriend, playing music
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in a band. It's all good.
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And I'd just read David Icke a few months before my friend had
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given me Truth or Set You Free, so my brain was all like just
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whizzing. And then I graduated.
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And then there was just a point where I was actually in
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Birmingham on the bus and some woman put a curse on me and at
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the time it felt like the worst thing.
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She put a curse. On me, yes, she put a curse.
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On me? How'd you know she put a curse
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on you? Because she showed me a tarot
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card and mumbled something. On her.
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You are kidding. Yeah.
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So I've. I've never had anyone curse me.
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Face. Well, what I felt slightly
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aggrieved because there were some kids at the back of the bus
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who were taking the piss out of her and she sort of turned
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around and thought it was me and I wish I was with Vicky.
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We weren't together then, but we were and she sort of did this
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and it. She did nothing.
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I had no power, what she did, but it, it was a mirror to my
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rudderlessness, my not knowing. It was like, you know, fuck all
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there. And it was bang and I was like
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shit. And I was panicked.
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So I had a panic attack and I had to get off the bus to go and
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find her so that I could. Of course, I was completely
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confused. I thought it was an external
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thing. It wasn't an external thing.
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So that whole process, yeah, was very intense for about a year.
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But I suppose that what I kind of learned through that gives me
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like a sense of what's beyond all this crap, what's really
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underneath it, which I do believe is truth, beauty, love.
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What was it like painting David Dyke after reading his book so
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many years earlier? Yeah, it was quite interesting.
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That must have been a bit surreal it.
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Was it was a bit surreal, but at the.
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Same time it's like, whoa, I'm painting David Dyke.
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It was more surreal in my head. The idea seemed wow, you know,
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like had that ready, but and then 30 years later, whatever
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it. Was this is insane.
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Can you imagine going back 30 years earlier and going no, by
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the way, in 30 years time you'll be painting this?
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No, you'd be like, what the fuck?
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Get away from it. Yeah.
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Yeah, totally, totally. But in actual reality it was
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very normal and. Did you hear me sound really
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funny? So I went up to the studios in
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Derby to interview him because Gareth was like, yeah, come up
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here, come up here. It will just be easier for dad.
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I was like, all right, OK. And I've never done that.
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Every podcast in the studio, I was like, do you know what for
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you guys? I'll drive up.
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I'm driving up. I'm on this M1.
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And I suddenly have this vision that I'm going to arrive.
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I'm going to go in the studio, go to the toilets.
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You know as you do go to the toilets, first thing you do is
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go wee. And as I walk into the toilets
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I'll see David in a light blue sky jumper at the urinal taking
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the piss. And I was like I was like fuck
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am I thinking about this for a while?
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I'm driving. It's such a weird thought.
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So anyway, arrive at the studio, I need to pee so I quickly go to
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the toilet. David Icke is in the far right
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corner, exactly as I visioned him in a blue sky jumper taking
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a piss. And I'm like, and I go, and I
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said in my vision, I said, oh, this is very embarrassing.
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And I said it out loud. I went, this is very
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embarrassing. I went not really.
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I was like, OK, yeah, it's funny.
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I had a vision that we were going to do this.
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He went, well, there you go then.
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And then he reached out to shake my hand and went, no, you
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haven't washed your hands. Haram.
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And he still didn't wash his hands.
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He just walked out. All right.
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Oh, God bless him. But yeah, it's a bit surreal.
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Yeah, yeah. I literally saw that whole
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exchange. That it's really strange, isn't
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it? About. 40 minutes before it
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actually happened. Well, recently I've been
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listening to a lot of religious sort of critique, I suppose you
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could call it, a lot of the debates between Christians and
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Bible scholars. And one of the things that comes
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up, of course, is prophecy. I mean, it's debatable whether
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these prophecies really were prophecies, you know, or.
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Whether they just wrote them in or.
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Just wrote them after it you. Know.
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Yeah, literally. Yeah, exactly.
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Literally wrote them back in. Yeah, no, I agree.
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But even if they were prophecies, there's no proof
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that the Bible is anything other than, I mean, you've just had a
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prophecy. You know we're going to start a
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religious cult around Doc because.
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Oh no, I've started it already. He visited himself.
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Started it already. Next to take a die.
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Exactly. But The thing is, so my cult,
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the Ahmadiya cart was all based on prophecy as well.
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It's prophesied and you know, it was the promised Messiah, the
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second coming of Jesus. And the prophecies have shown
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the lunar eclipse and the this and the that and all these
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prophecies to convert. And it's like, yeah, whatever.
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Man, so this is within Islam, yeah.
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Yeah, yeah. No, no.
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The funny thing is other Muslims don't deem this cult to be
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Islamic Muslims. There is a heresy.
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Yeah, so. I'm like, so yeah, I grew up
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thinking I was. So yeah, I grew up thinking I
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was a Muslim. And then I went to university
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and met other Muslims and then they said, what kind of Muslim
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are you? Like, you know, Sunni, Shia and
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you go, I'm a Namadi Muslim. So you're not a Muslim.
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I'm like what all? Right.
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It was bizarre. It's so bizarre.
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Yeah, because Jesus is kind of respected, but he's not seen as
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a Messiah, is he? No, no.
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In Islam, he's seen as the Messiah.
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Is he? Yeah.
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Virgin birth, maybe. He's holy.
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He died on the cross. He was resurrected and he's
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going to come back again. In Islam, yeah, people don't.
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So this is The funny thing I thought.
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I thought the Islam thing was he died on a he couldn't die on a
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cross because that was unworthy. The only difference is that they
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don't think of him as a Godhead figure.
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The Trinity, That's the difference really.
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That's it. So you know when people, so you
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know when people like Douglas might go well, we need to uphold
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Judeo Christian values against the Muslim horde.
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I'm like, hold on one second. Let's just let's get, you know,
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3 columns, Judaism, Christianity and Islam, right, right.
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Do you believe in the virgin birth?
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Judaism, no Christianity, yes, Islam, yes.
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Do you believe that Mary is like, you know, this Virgin Mary
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and she's like this holy figure? Jews.
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No. Christians, Muslims.
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Yeah. Like, do you believe that he was
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the Messiah? Jews.
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No. Christians and Muslims?
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Yes. Yeah.
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Yeah. Do you think he died in the
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cross? Jews.
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Yeah, Yeah. Whatever.
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Christians and Muslims go. Yes.
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And he was resurrected and came back to life, and then he went
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straight up to heaven. Is he going to come back?
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Jews, No. Christians and Muslims, Yes.
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And I'm like, where's the Judeo? Christian?
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Yeah. Yeah, totally.
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I never really thought of it quite like.
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That it's the biggest little nonsense you out there.
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That's what I mean. It's like it's just all garbage.
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And this is me saying as an ex Muslim, but I've given up with
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all of the Abrahamic religions because I don't subscribe to an
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angry raffle God that insists on you shall worship me.
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And if you don't, you will go to hell.
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Like what kind of God do that? Yeah.
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It's insane This. Is insane.
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It's insane. But I, I mean, I, I talk about
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this a bit and then again on the podcast, I, I think the Old
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Testament is a story of colonisation of earth by some,
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you know, entities. And Yahweh was, was, it's a
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story of Yahweh's. Yahweh was just some angry
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warlord essentially. Or a petty God.
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Yeah. I don't know if I even believe
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in that. I think all of these are just
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human constructs. I think it's all.
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Yeah, maybe, Maybe. Like, you know, I don't
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subscribe to the chosen people. I mean, that's fucking great. 1
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isn't that, that's just a great one.
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You write a book and say I'm I'm the special one.
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And then you go around telling everybody, look, I'm the special
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one. It's written in this book that
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I'm special. Like, no, no, sorry, I'm I'm not
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going along with that one. No.
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And. It's insane.
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I think what happens is people experience something, so they
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might be going along on a certain path and then they have
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some kind of experience, which is probably a genuine experience
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of the soul, some kind of connection with with God, with
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the divine. And then they frame it within
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this weird cult framework. And there's some truth in the
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Bible. There's some words of wisdom in
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the Bible, you know, some amazing stuff, but there's also
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a whole lot of absolute crap in the Bible.
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Same with the Quran and the Old Testament, same with that.
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But like it's just too much. I mean like I haven't got the
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exact stories on it now, but like isn't that like there's so
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many stories like where like some guy like likes another
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woman, but she's married. So he sends the guy, the husband
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off to die in a war so he can marry.
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And like why is that in the Bible?
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Like, how's that religious figure that, like should be
23:59
respected like? And then like, Islam has got one
24:03
of the earliest forms of channelling.
24:05
So apparently the Prophet Muhammad couldn't read or write,
24:09
but he's up in a cave, right? Hanging out in a cave, as you do
24:14
with, you know, his man cave, literally man cave.
24:17
He's in his man cave. And then apparently an Angel
24:20
comes down and says, right, you're going to, you're going to
24:22
write all this stuff down. And he doesn't know how to
24:24
write, but he manages to write like, no, like, no, it just
24:31
doesn't happen. Like, I don't believe that.
24:35
It's all. Just made up.
24:37
Yeah, I, I, I suppose I'm slightly less cynical, like I'd
24:41
always say maybe, but, but does it matter?
24:46
That's the, that's the point, isn't it?
24:47
In a way, really. Because otherwise you, you can
24:50
argue with people about whether these things, you know, people
24:52
get so hung up on, you know, the, the, the truth of, of the
24:57
Gospels or whatever, or the resurrection or essentially what
25:01
does it matter? Because do we need, why do we
25:03
need anything external anyway? And that's, that's, that's sort
25:07
of the crux of it, isn't it really?
25:10
Yeah, yeah. I don't know.
25:11
I'm just, I think there's a lot of good in these religions.
25:15
But, and, and I'm conflicted because in one respect, I don't
25:20
want to criticise them too much because I actually see that the
25:23
the evil controllers are trying to do their best to destroy
25:26
religion and Christianity and God, which I don't think is a
25:29
good thing. And I think they would love to
25:31
have a one world religion, which would be quite scary.
25:35
So you don't want to bash all these religions too much because
25:38
then you're actually playing into that globalist agenda.
25:41
But at the same time, I just don't subscribe to any of these
25:45
religions. I don't believe in their God.
25:48
It's all based on guilt, shame and control.
25:50
And like, you know, like take the virgin birth, like it just
25:54
doesn't happen. And then people say, well, it's
25:55
a miracle and think, no, no, like no.
26:00
And then he died for our sins. When does that make sense?
26:03
So you do something wrong and but it's OK, I'm going to, I'm
26:08
going to take your punishment because like what?
26:11
No, what? It doesn't even make sense.
26:13
It doesn't matter how you square and how high up the theological
26:17
person I've gone to, I've spoken to bishops about, you cannot
26:19
give me a good fucking straight answer.
26:21
And then when you start going to Trinity and say explain that
26:24
they all will do the same thing, Well, it's a matter of faith,
26:27
like, well, the the OR the Bible said this and I'm like, don't
26:30
use your own book to justify that doesn't.
26:34
It's just circular. Argument.
26:35
That's just circular argument. It's like it doesn't make sense.
26:38
None of this makes sense. All of them, all three of them.
26:44
Yeah, I'm sure we're going to upset a lot of the listeners
26:47
now. Just had a go at Judaism,
26:50
Christianity and Islam. Good.
26:52
Now, I, I, I there is offered different choices.
26:58
And just because we reject 1 doesn't mean we we embrace the
27:02
other. This is the kind of dualistic
27:05
thing, isn't it, that they offer us.
27:09
And yeah, they might, they might be trying to destroy religion.
27:13
But I think it's, I think it's very dangerous to think just
27:16
because they're trying to destroy it, it's a value because
27:19
I think they destroy everything and they just watch the chaos.
27:24
Yeah, I've heard so many different things now.
27:26
Like Jesus actually doesn't even exist.
27:29
He was. It's just a complete psyop
27:31
written in. Jesus might have been the
27:35
complete opposite to what they're saying.
27:37
He was a rebel fighter and he was actually arguing after
27:40
having been maybe away in India, more like the Gnostics, that God
27:45
is within all of us. That's what he was trying to
27:47
tell us all that actually he wasn't this son.
27:50
We're all the children of God. We've all got God within us.
27:53
I think that. And The thing is like, because
27:54
where did all those missing years go?
27:56
Because like, you know, he's born and then he doesn't come
28:01
back till what, he's 30 or something. 3233 or something,
28:05
yes, I think then he recorded the last year of his.
28:08
That's what I'm saying. The whole Bible is like what,
28:10
the last year or two or? Whatever.
28:11
I think so, yeah. So where did hold on, what about
28:13
the middle trunk? And even the things like like
28:16
people never like like, you know, it's nativity season soon,
28:19
right? But they never talk about the
28:20
back story. Even as a kid, I was like, why
28:24
is this young girl walking around in a strange town with
28:26
this older guy who's not her husband and about to have a
28:30
baby? Like where's her mum and dad?
28:32
Why is she giving birth in a in a stable?
28:35
Like I'm sure mum and dad would want to be around, you know,
28:40
what is the back story? Who is maybe's mum and dad?
28:44
Do we know? Do you know?
28:46
No, I don't. Think you ever heard anything
28:47
about Maybe's mum and dad? No.
28:49
You think that's a bit weird? Yeah, I'm just saying
28:54
everything. Everything just starts from and
28:57
the three kings came and they were in the stable and the baby
29:01
came out and then Fast forward 32 years or whatever, I was
29:05
like, hold on, what's the back story?
29:07
And what about the big, big middle chunk?
29:11
And you just don't, you don't hear any of that.
29:12
It's just a bit strange. A lot of the stories around
29:16
Jesus are are quite clearly lifted from other traditions.
29:19
Yeah, Yeah. You know, they were.
29:20
I think they were lots of other Christs before Christ.
29:24
And the anointed 1. Yeah, and virgin births was was
29:27
a, you know, a common trope. So I.
29:31
Think the reason why I'm just talking about this is I think
29:36
anyone, everyone, everyone should question everything.
29:41
And whether it's climate or even religion, question everything.
29:49
And if you're in a religion, the danger is you, you stop
29:54
questioning everything. You just start, No, it's a
29:57
belief. Beliefs are very difficult to
30:01
deal with and I like to deal with objective truth and
30:04
reality. Yeah, yeah, same.
30:06
And actually, when I don't know, I just say I don't know and I'm
30:09
open to everything. So you talk about Yahweh,
30:12
whatever it might be in some external maybe, but you know
30:17
what? I've got no evidence to see it
30:19
or prove it. So something that's just parked
30:21
there is like, yeah, maybe, but I'm not going to be like, yeah,
30:24
this is it. I don't know.
30:27
And we were like, well, I could be alien.
30:29
We could be, we could be in an alien thing.
30:31
It could be a simulation we're in.
30:33
Could be a this could be a that. Do you know what I don't know.
30:38
No one's been out and come back like out of this existence.
30:42
It's like, for example, imagine we're in a massive snowball.
30:47
You like a massive snowball. I think there's a massive
30:50
snowball, snow globe thing, massive snow globe sitting on my
30:53
desk. And in that snow globe is this
30:56
fantastic planet and little tiny people and cities and cars and
31:01
aeroplanes and all those little wee things in that snow globe.
31:06
They have no appreciation of even this office, never mind
31:11
London, the UK. That is their universe, and no
31:15
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32:02
dot uki think that humility is really important.
32:08
I think it's lacking as well with quite a lot of so called
32:10
truth seekers. Just that ability to sit and sit
32:14
with it. I don't know, you know.
32:18
I think it's one of the things that people find hardest to
32:21
admit because they will lose face.
32:25
I used to have this problem of junior doctors all the time.
32:28
Oh, can I go and operate on this patient?
32:30
Have you done this operation? Yeah, yeah, yeah.
32:31
How many have you done? I've done 40.
32:33
I mean, Oh, well, that's quite a lot.
32:34
You sure you're happy going ahead and doing it?
32:36
Yeah, yeah, yeah. So off he goes to do fix this
32:39
broken hip while I do a ward round.
32:42
It's like a Saturday morning, you know?
32:44
And again, a phone call from an ANIS system after an hour
32:46
saying, where are you? I'm like, oh, I'm just finishing
32:48
up the wardrobe. Is everything all right?
32:50
Yeah, We, I need you to come down this, this hip.
32:54
I'm like, like that should be off the table by now.
32:58
What are you talking about? Like, are we sending for the,
33:01
the tibia now? They're like, he's not even
33:03
inside the joint yet. He's struggling.
33:05
I'm like, what? Why didn't he call me?
33:07
He's like, I, I suggested to him and he said, no, no, he's fine.
33:11
Oh God. So come down, scrub up and like,
33:16
it's just a complete bitchery like any you know, and it's like
33:20
the operation hasn't even barely started.
33:22
Incisions in the wrong place, can't dislocate the hip to cut
33:26
the neck. And I'm like, I thought you said
33:29
you did 40 of these and, and it's just very defensive, you
33:33
know, and it's all bullshit. And I have to have a word with
33:36
him afterwards and say like, you've not really done any of
33:38
these things. Well, I, I've, I've, I've seen
33:41
40 and and I've assisted with a couple.
33:44
How many have you done on your own?
33:47
None. And it's like, why?
33:50
Why do you? And it's not, that's not unique,
33:52
by the way, that a lot of people do that.
33:54
They'll just say, yeah, yeah, I can do this.
33:55
Yeah, yeah. Hang.
33:56
Hang on, It's like some someone who's not worked in the NHS.
34:01
That seems so you you're saying you're talking about someone
34:04
doing an operation on the hip. Yeah.
34:07
And that the decision of who does that operation is just
34:09
quite a casual thing like, well then I can do it.
34:12
You're on a team, so you go register.
34:15
The registrars may be quite senior, and the problem is
34:19
you're no longer working in team structures, so you don't get to
34:22
see that other person operate on a regular basis.
34:25
There's like 12 registrars and you'll get allocated randomly on
34:29
a weekend, a register that's on call that week who you may never
34:33
have operated with. So you said to them, are you at
34:36
the meeting in the morning? Are you comfortable doing this
34:38
operation? Are you, you know, and most
34:40
people would, you would hope would be honest and say, no, I
34:43
need some help with this. And most people do, but
34:46
sometimes a junior doctor would just maybe not be honest with
34:50
you. All right, I I.
34:53
Yeah, I find that sort of quite disturbing.
34:56
Well, disturbing, yeah. Because you'd think it would be
34:59
a very clear case this person is capable like, you know, four or
35:04
five people just sat around and go, is this guy?
35:06
Well, The thing is, you're on on your own in that weekend.
35:10
It's only you, the register, the junior doctor below that and,
35:17
you know, some ward nurses and that's it.
35:20
And like, you know, week 1, after they've started their
35:24
jobs, you've never met this person.
35:26
They're working for a different consultant, you know, you just
35:29
don't know. Yeah.
35:32
And you know what, When they give you a job as a surgeon, no
35:35
matter what grade, at no point is anyone actually observing and
35:40
checking how good you are at surgery.
35:44
The interview and the whole process is based on, yeah,
35:47
whether you've published any paper, research, what jobs
35:51
you've done, extracurricular activities, references.
35:55
No one actually, even as at the consultant level will say come
35:59
and do an operation and let us examine you and watch you
36:02
operate and see if you're skilled enough and competent
36:06
enough. No, none of that is done.
36:07
Really. Really.
36:10
God. Which I think.
36:11
I'm just naive but it just seems which is saying to me.
36:14
It is insane because there's so many people that are very good
36:18
and have polished CVS and are very good at bullshitting,
36:23
bullshitting and then when it comes to surgery they're they've
36:26
got 2 left hands. Yeah, of course.
36:28
Yeah. See, and I'll give another
36:30
example, like a lot of the professors and famous people
36:35
cheating people in Harley Street and all the celebrities, they're
36:39
often the worst all. Right, just the just the ones
36:42
who can talk the. Best the ones that can talk and
36:44
market and just bullshit. The people who are really good,
36:48
for example, are operating are somewhere in the middle of a DGH
36:53
in the middle of the countryside, just quietly
36:54
getting on with their craft and doing a good job.
36:57
And I haven't got time to be writing papers and bullshitting.
37:02
And even the papers, it's not like they're writing the papers.
37:05
They've got monkeys doing the research for them and they just
37:07
put their name on it. I mean that whole the problems
37:13
with academia isn't just another conversation.
37:15
Yeah, yeah. Yeah, sorry Sir, for brushing
37:21
the bubble. Oh no, there's no bubble to buy.
37:24
There's so many stories I could tell you that horrific tell.
37:27
Us tell us a couple tell us a couple because.
37:30
This trainee Dr wants instead of painting the rod, you know when
37:33
you break a leg, your femur, your tibia, there's rods for
37:36
them and the tibias of different shaped rod to the the femur.
37:41
She wants to put a tibial rod down the femur.
37:46
No. So there's no like it, the
37:48
cheques, no cheques. There's no one.
37:49
There's no like double safety, kind of.
37:52
It depends hospital to hospital, supervision to supervision,
37:55
whether the consultant's going to come in and supervise and
37:58
operate, whether the registrar is just bullshitting and lying
38:02
and saying like they're better than they are.
38:05
And because again, asking for help means sometimes for some
38:09
people losing face and they and that to them, if you're insecure
38:15
in yourself, you will. But if you're look, if you're
38:18
confident and comfortable in yourself, you happily say, oh,
38:22
by the way, I wouldn't mind. Second opinion, I wouldn't mind.
38:25
Sure. I suppose financial, there's
38:28
financial incentive as well to bullshit, is there like in the
38:33
sense that, yeah, I can do that, Yeah.
38:34
I mean, presumably you, you progress further, you get a
38:37
better salary and yeah. Yeah.
38:39
Rather than someone who says, oh, I'm not sure I can do that.
38:42
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So it's like even like in the
38:49
private sector, you'll have someone who's like a hip surgeon
38:53
who does nothing but hips in the NHS.
38:55
And then the the person will be like, oh, I've got a bunion.
38:58
Can you recommend a bunion surgeon?
38:59
And then the hip surgeon will be like, oh, I can do bunions too.
39:02
They haven't done a bunion in like 10 years.
39:05
And then they'll be like, they're operating on this
39:07
patient, the private sector, and doing a really shit job.
39:10
And I know this because I would see all these really bad foot
39:13
and ankle operations. I'm like, who who did you
39:15
operation? I was like spinal surgeon, a
39:17
shoulder surgeon. I was like, what what the fuck
39:20
are they doing operating on your feet?
39:22
It's like, but the, the patient doesn't know any better because
39:25
they think, well, he's a surgeon, he's an orthopaedic
39:27
surgeon. And he said, yeah, I can do it.
39:29
And I'm like, oh, whereas I, I would get people all the time
39:31
saying, oh, can you do my carpal tunnel?
39:33
Oh, can you do my knee as well? I've got meniscal tear, can you
39:35
do it? And I'd be like, no, I'm just
39:37
fanatical. Yes, I've done hundreds of knee
39:39
operations and I was a brilliant knee surgeon at one point, but I
39:43
haven't done it for eight years. And to be honest, you want
39:46
someone who's doing it regularly because if something like the
39:49
chances I will do an OK job and you'll be happy.
39:52
But God forbid if something goes wrong or if there's a
39:55
complication and you need something afterwards, you want
39:58
to be seeing someone who does it regularly and they go, all
40:00
right, that's a good point, doc. But the temptation for a lot of
40:02
doctors is like, well, that's another private case, a little
40:05
bit of money. Yeah, I can do that.
40:06
Wing it. Yeah, I mean, you get that in
40:10
kind of the media world, which probably the repercussions
40:12
aren't quite so serious, but can you do Photoshop?
40:16
Well, you know, I I know light room, but it's like, yeah, I can
40:20
do that. Yeah, but it's everywhere.
40:22
It's like, you know, plumbers, oh, I can do that bit of
40:24
electrical work for you and I can do a bit of that.
40:27
And I mean, it's like, and don't get me wrong, there are some
40:31
people who do are like really gifted all rounders.
40:40
But in when it comes to medicine, they're a dying breed.
40:43
Like there was a generation that was trained and they could do
40:47
literally spinal surgery and knee surgery and foot and eye
40:50
surgery. But those days are really well
40:53
and truly over because everyone is so super specialised.
40:57
You know, I will only operate on the right little toe kind of
41:02
thing. Oh, OK, yeah.
41:04
Why's that? Why's that coming back?
41:05
It's just. The way this specialism is, and
41:09
I think, I don't think it's a deliberate ploy, it's just, it's
41:14
a stupid thing. It's so disjointed because The
41:16
thing is doctors actually don't treat the whole patient.
41:22
They don't, they don't look at stress, your sleep, your diet,
41:26
your metabolic health, your mitochondrial health, your,
41:30
your, your anatomy, your joints. It's now like I'm just a
41:35
shoulder surgeon. Or take for example, my friend,
41:37
I was asking him, he's a surgeon or speaks her.
41:40
And he was like, I was like, how's your mum and dad?
41:42
And he was like, Oh yeah, mum's had some chest problems and but
41:48
you know, she's just had her, you know, heart cardioverted for
41:52
some irregular heart rhythm and but she's got this breathing
41:55
difficulty. And I said, Oh, well, you should
41:57
have asked the cardiologist about it.
41:59
You know, in the old days, the cardiologist had a stethoscope.
42:02
Listen to the heart, listen to the lungs.
42:04
And he goes, yeah, well, I, I, I did ask him.
42:07
He didn't have stethoscopes. And he goes, no, all I do is the
42:10
heart. If you want the lungs, you need
42:13
to go and see a pulmonary, you know, decision.
42:16
And it's like, do you see what I mean?
42:17
Like we've just gone away from like, I mean, it's not even
42:22
asking that heart doctor to listen, you know, look at the
42:25
brain or the kidneys. We're talking about literally
42:27
the lungs that are right next to the heart.
42:29
And he's like, no, no, I don't, I don't deal with that anymore.
42:31
If I it's not good. Because the reality is like,
42:36
when it comes to health, everything is connected, like
42:40
everything. And if you've got a very tunnel
42:43
vision, you don't see the big picture and you can't really
42:49
make people better. I mean, that's probably the
42:52
fundamental flaw in the kind of Western, well, not only
42:55
medicine, but I think just the Western mind, isn't it?
43:01
It's separation. Not a bit of a cliche, but the
43:07
kind of Eastern philosophy tends to be more holistic.
43:12
And all these words are a bit loaded, aren't they?
43:13
And a bit corny. But I think there's a lot to be
43:17
said for that. Yeah, well, I've had some
43:20
Chinese medicine this year, acupuncture, and I really like
43:25
it. Yeah, and they look at the whole
43:27
body system. Yeah, I think our son wouldn't
43:32
have made it through to this realm if it hadn't been for
43:35
acupuncture. Really.
43:36
Yeah, because Vicky Ricky had endometriosis and had a ectopic
43:42
and top guy Doctor, English top guy in the country to do with
43:49
endometriosis, diagnosed her at Sussex and she said is there
43:56
anything I can do diet wise, anything like that?
43:58
No, no, no, you just eat what you want and there's nothing you
44:03
can do. Just come in for the surgery and
44:06
book to us in three months time. Vicki just knew she was going to
44:11
get pregnant. She was like, fuck that, I'm
44:14
listening to that. She researched it.
44:17
She did a diet, had acupuncture. She thinks acupuncture was
44:22
probably one of the biggest things.
44:24
She felt it moving. She went back for the surgery.
44:31
They went in, nothing there, no lesions, nothing.
44:35
There's grapefruit sized cysts that they'd seen with this
44:38
camera just gone. And she said to him, what?
44:43
How come? And he said, oh, you must have
44:46
been misdiagnosed. He just said, how is it?
44:53
How can you learn if that's your approach?
44:55
Yeah. Yeah, well, that's the problem.
44:58
Doctors are highly educated and indoctrinated and ignorant for
45:11
all these cults, even religions. Some people say those are just
45:15
bigger cults. They will always have some good
45:17
stuff going for them. So point the benefit system.
45:21
But the problem is what is what does it come with?
45:24
Viral IG is yet another pseudoscience.
45:27
Wakey wakey numb nuts. Like oh, that's not true.
45:30
I've had a couple of podcasts that I've ended like that like
45:33
abruptly like right, OK, I'm done now.
45:35
I need to like and it's just not cool.
45:38
I was literally thinking about driving an Uber.
45:40
They. Really.
45:41
Well, what do you do? Like, how are you going to make
45:44
money? How are you going to pay the
45:45
bills?