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Tuesday September 29 2026 | TV Adventures, Vegan Cookbooks, Apple Watches · The M&M Experience

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  Speaker 1: Hot topics in the news and wisdom from life. It's
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  Speaker 1: Mark Davis and Mike Gallagher. This is M & M Extra.
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  Speaker 2: And today is the day I come roaring to my
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  Speaker 2: You know, before we start, Mark, you know what we
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  Speaker 2: forgot to do today?
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  Speaker 3: What's that?
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  Speaker 2: We've got to get some $ 3, 000 donors to buy an
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  Speaker 2: ultrasound machine.
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  Speaker 3: Dude, of course. Of course, of course, of course.
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  Speaker 2: So you know what we'll do? How about we do this?
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  Speaker 2: Let's go. How about tomorrow during the M & M
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  Speaker 2: Experience on your radio show, we mention it, And then
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  Speaker 2: how about you be a guest with me tomorrow at about, oh,
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  Speaker 2: I don't know, 1145 Eastern, maybe 1045 Central. And we'll
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  Speaker 2: do it then, too.
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  Speaker 3: I think that's a superb one-two punch that will work very,
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  Speaker 3: very well.
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  Speaker 2: You seem very subdued today. Is it because Chris Cuomo
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  Speaker 2: smacked you around?
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  Speaker 3: No, I just didn't know we were going to do
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  Speaker 3: this first. Well, we don't have to do it first.
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  Speaker 3: I'm sitting looking at a dangerous world, five weeks to
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  Speaker 3: the midterms. But little things mean a lot.
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  Speaker 2: They do.
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  Speaker 3: I told a little story at 7.27 my time this morning,
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  Speaker 3: right ahead of the Eminem radio experience.
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  Speaker 2: Caused me to almost run my car off the road.
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  Speaker 3: I was so mad to it in a really interesting way,
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  Speaker 3: which made it which made me explain it further at 805.
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  Speaker 3: Then my text line exploded with thoughts about it.
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  Speaker 2: Really?
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  Speaker 3: It takes 60 seconds and set this up and you
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  Speaker 3: just roll and roll with it?
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  Speaker 2: You bet. Well, let me hand it to you by
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  Speaker 2: setting it up this way. First of all, understand I'm
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  Speaker 2: always thrilled when I see you do these TV hits.
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  Speaker 2: You become a kind of almost a regular with Will
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  Speaker 2: Kane on Fox News. And I love that because Will's
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  Speaker 2: studios are in the downtown Dallas. Not far for you
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  Speaker 2: as long as they give you the Rolls Royce and
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  Speaker 2: they drive you personally to the studio so you don't
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  Speaker 2: have to drive yourself. Because heaven forbid you have to
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  Speaker 2: drive yourself. That cracks me up. That just still cracks
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  Speaker 2: me up. Anyway, good for you. I love it when
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  Speaker 2: you're on TV with him. I think that's great. And
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  Speaker 2: I don't mind it when you appear occasionally with Chris
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  Speaker 2: Cuomo on News Nation. Now, Chris Cuomo is definitely not.
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  Speaker 2: A conservative. He's certainly no Will Kane, but that's okay.
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  Speaker 2: Your attitude is, and you were on with a Democrat
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  Speaker 2: strategist from Dallas last night, and you did your thing,
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  Speaker 2: and you were obviously great, but you must have been
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  Speaker 2: too good because after your appearance on News Nation on
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  Speaker 2: the Chris Cuomo show, Mr. Cuomo sent you a message
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  Speaker 2: via text, a message that I'm not kidding. You take
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  Speaker 2: great offense to, a great umbrage. So tell us how
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  Speaker 2: that all played out, Mark.
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  Speaker 3: One edit. Oftentimes after I'm on Cuomo, he will shoot
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  Speaker 3: me an appreciative thing that says, hey, it was great
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  Speaker 3: to have you on. Other times I will shoot him
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  Speaker 3: an appreciative thing saying it was great to be on.
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  Speaker 3: Last night in the episode we are now about to unfold,
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  Speaker 3: which has caused the Earth to spin wildly out of
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  Speaker 3: its orbit, I started it. I sent him a, hey,
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  Speaker 3: in fact, I'll tell you the exact thing. The segment
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  Speaker 3: was fairly ordinary. Chris Cuomo is the host. Chuck Rocha,
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  Speaker 3: he's not based here in DFW, but somewhere in Texas.
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  Speaker 3: He does a lot of campaigns, Democrat consultant, operative. We
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  Speaker 3: have good chemistry together. I enjoy doing the point counterpoint things.
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  Speaker 3: People enjoy having me. I'm honored to be there. I'll
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  Speaker 3: go anywhere.
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  Speaker 2: Agreeable disagreement. Nothing wrong with that.
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  Speaker 3: And that, by the way, is exactly how this got started.
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  Speaker 3: So I'd finished. I always wait for his show to finish.
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  Speaker 3: I don't want to text him like during the show,
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  Speaker 3: although I do that to you all the time. So
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  Speaker 3: after the hour was done, I texted Chris. I said,
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  Speaker 3: you and Chuck and I need to take this show
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  Speaker 3: on the road. Always a pleasure. He texts back. People
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  Speaker 3: like it. It's disagreement with decency. If that's the end
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  Speaker 3: of it, there's no issue.
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  Speaker 2: Nothing wrong with that.
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  Speaker 3: But he's not done.
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  Speaker 2: Uh-oh.
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  Speaker 3: He then adds Chris Cuomo to me. After a segment
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  Speaker 3: where I've been on with him for the 10th or
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  Speaker 3: 12th time, easy, saying conservative things, saying often pro-Trump things,
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  Speaker 3: he then says to me as a rejoinder to last night,
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  Speaker 3: but I cannot wait for you to be about right
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  Speaker 3: and wrong again, host MAGA.
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  Speaker 2: I can't wait for you to start being about right
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  Speaker 2: and wrong after MAGA is gone. Got it. Now, I'm
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  Speaker 2: real pissed off about this, as you know. I'm not
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  Speaker 2: kidding you. And I'm mad because you're such a good person.
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  Speaker 2: You give people the benefit of the doubt all the time.
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  Speaker 2: You got a big heart and you don't see the
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  Speaker 2: real nasty, seamy underbelly of something like that text message.
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  Speaker 3: I do now. And I did reply 30 seconds for
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  Speaker 3: what I did say back because it was like, that
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  Speaker 3: was my general reaction last night. Now I'm seething with
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  Speaker 3: rage thanks to you.
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  Speaker 2: Were you in the Maybach being driven home when you
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  Speaker 2: got this text or were you, are you already home?
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  Speaker 2: They bring the van to the house. Oh, you got
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  Speaker 2: the van to the house.
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  Speaker 3: Exactly.
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  Speaker 2: He's an Eric.
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  Speaker 3: So after he, after he responds to my, you know,
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  Speaker 3: 10th or 12th visit with him saying conservative things. And
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  Speaker 3: he says, can't wait for you to be about right
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  Speaker 3: and wrong again, post MAGA. I sent him back two things. One,
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  Speaker 3: I'm about right and wrong every day, as I'm sure
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  Speaker 3: you believe you are. And number two, post Trump, Starts
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  Speaker 3: January 20th, 2029. MAGA may endure for far longer. Parentheses,
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  Speaker 3: giving us material well into the future.
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  Speaker 2: What do you say to that?
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  Speaker 3: Nothing. We were done. I didn't expect to go around
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  Speaker 3: the tree 47 times. But I did reply. I didn't, quote, unquote,
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  Speaker 3: let that go. But I told that little story this morning,
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  Speaker 3: and then you took great umbrage at it. I totally
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  Speaker 3: understand why, because was it an insult? Yes. Is he
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  Speaker 3: essentially calling me a phony?
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  Speaker 2: Yes.
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  Speaker 3: He's just a big doofus. I think this is just
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  Speaker 3: kind of, oh, can't wait for you to be. I
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  Speaker 3: don't know if it was maybe tongue in cheek or
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  Speaker 3: if that's me giving him too much benefit of the doubt.
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  Speaker 3: Was he being a dick?
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  Speaker 1: Sure.
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  Speaker 3: You know, usually we're Hitler, so maybe this is small potatoes.
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  Speaker 2: Well, he was calling you a liar. He was saying
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  Speaker 2: that you're schtick. And I take great offense at that
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  Speaker 2: because you're not. You're from the heart. You're sincere. You're authentic.
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  Speaker 2: You're real. And this guy wants to dismiss you as
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  Speaker 2: being a shill. You're just a hack. You're just somebody
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  Speaker 2: who toes the MAGA line because you think it makes
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  Speaker 2: you money. You've profited off of this. It's posture. And
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  Speaker 2: it's going right to the one thing you have that
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  Speaker 2: we have spent years and years, I think, earning. And
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  Speaker 2: that's our credibility. You have no credibility if what Chris
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  Speaker 2: Cuomo thinks of you is true. Now, first of all,
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  Speaker 2: I don't even think he thinks that. He knows you.
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  Speaker 2: You've been together on a lot.
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  Speaker 3: Of– I don't either, which makes me think he might
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  Speaker 3: have been kind of kidding.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know. I don't know if he's kidding or not.
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  Speaker 2: I'll tell you what you should do. You ought to
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  Speaker 2: follow up with him and you ought to put him
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  Speaker 2: on your show and ask him because that would be
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  Speaker 2: a good– that would be actually– because let me tell
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  Speaker 2: you why it's an important issue and why I don't
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  Speaker 2: want to let it go. It's important because I think
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  Speaker 2: about a disagreement with civility, with decency, agreeable disagreement. We
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  Speaker 2: used to be that way. The old image of Reagan
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  Speaker 2: and Tip O'Neill fighting like cats and dogs and then
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  Speaker 2: going out and having a beer on K Street after
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  Speaker 2: a day's fighting. Those days are gone. We're at each
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  Speaker 2: other's throats. And look, it's hard for me to find
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  Speaker 2: common ground with them because I'm all about saying that
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  Speaker 2: November 3rd is about good versus evil.
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  Speaker 3: Right.
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  Speaker 2: So, you know, and Chris Cuomo then represents the political
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  Speaker 2: party of evil. I think I can make that case.
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  Speaker 2: He would disagree with that. But I do wonder if
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  Speaker 2: they really look at us as just being, I'm going
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  Speaker 2: to tell you a quick story about somebody who's not authentic.
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  Speaker 2: Somebody who is one of the most MAGA voices out there.
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  Speaker 2: I'm not going to mention this person's name. I'm not
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  Speaker 2: going to tell you if it's a man or it's
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  Speaker 2: a woman. But this person almost lost their job because
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  Speaker 2: they were bagging on Trump on their platforms. And that
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  Speaker 2: person got called to the woodshed. And that person was told,
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  Speaker 2: you better knock it off. You don't have to make
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  Speaker 2: anything up. Just get off his back. Your audience is pro-Trump.
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  Speaker 2: You should be at least acknowledging your audience because you're
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  Speaker 2: going to lose advertising, you know, the whole thing. The
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  Speaker 2: day after that meeting, that person publicly proclaimed Trump. A
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  Speaker 2: 180 degree switch on Donald Trump and suddenly that person
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  Speaker 2: is all on board with Donald Trump. Suddenly Trump can
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  Speaker 2: do no wrong. Suddenly Donald Trump is the great. Now,
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  Speaker 2: so to this day, when I hear all the Trump,
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  Speaker 2: and that person is not alone. Go look at the
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  Speaker 2: never Trump edition of the National Review that was signed by,
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  Speaker 2: are you ready? Glenn Beck. Dana Lash. Rich Lowry. Rich Lowry.
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  Speaker 2: Rich Lowry spearheaded the whole thing. They wanted to stop him. Today,
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  Speaker 2: they're some of the most pro-Trump voices in the world,
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  Speaker 2: which always makes me wonder. Mark, were they wrong? Were
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  Speaker 2: they fabricating it then or are they fabricating it now?
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  Speaker 3: Or was neither a fabrication or did they just get smarter?
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  Speaker 3: Can we show that? Can we open that possibility for grace?
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  Speaker 3: Because I don't think Marco Rubio was ever a phony.
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  Speaker 3: He just got better. I don't think Lindsey Graham, God
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  Speaker 3: rest him, was ever a phony.
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  Speaker 2: He just got better. Our vice president called Trump Hitler
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  Speaker 2: at one point. So you're right. Now, the example I
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  Speaker 2: gave you, the anonymous person I'm giving you, well, they
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  Speaker 2: got smart in about 12 hours. Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: It usually takes a little more time.
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  Speaker 2: I'd like to believe it's an evolution. You know, maybe
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  Speaker 2: it takes months. Oh, yeah. All of a sudden, oh,
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  Speaker 2: I see the light. Funny how getting a paycheck withheld
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  Speaker 2: might make you see the light. So it's just crazy
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  Speaker 2: to me. And I shame on Chris Cuomo and doggone it.
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  Speaker 2: You didn't deserve that. And I'm sorry. I really am.
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  Speaker 2: I'm sorry that you had to be on the receiving
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  Speaker 2: end of that.
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  Speaker 3: I just couldn't possibly care less. I know.
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  Speaker 2: You've got a thicker skin than I do. It's a
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  Speaker 2: lot of off the duck's back. It'd be the last time.
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  Speaker 2: I'll tell you what I'd do. It'd be the last
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  Speaker 2: time I'd do Chris Cuomo's show.
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  Speaker 3: I'd go back tomorrow. Are you kidding?
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  Speaker 2: Nope.
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  Speaker 3: Well, number one, and this was another subject of conversation,
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  Speaker 3: is why will I go? Me on Fox is one thing.
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  Speaker 3: Going on to News Nation is trying. It's funny. News Nation,
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  Speaker 3: they're funny cats over there. They are trying to build
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  Speaker 3: themselves as sort of down the middle people. And they're not.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, from him to this Elizabeth Vargas, who I
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  Speaker 3: used to like on ABC, but they gave her a
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  Speaker 3: show and.
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  Speaker 2: She's just new.
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  Speaker 3: And I don't dislike her, but she's a total lib.
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  Speaker 3: But you know what? But who's on right after Chris Cuomo?
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  Speaker 3: One of my favorite women in the world. One of
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  Speaker 3: my favorite people in the world, Katie Pavlich. So, you know,
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  Speaker 3: they're trying to do what they're doing.
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  Speaker 2: They're making the effort. And look, in fairness, their audience
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  Speaker 2: is not very big, but I guarantee you, Will Cain's is.
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  Speaker 2: You got that right. But I've seen it.
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  Speaker 3: If NBC calls me tomorrow and it's convenient, I'm going.
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  Speaker 3: The reason being that if any national platform will allow
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  Speaker 3: me to hop on with them and say conservative things,
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  Speaker 3: many of which their audience may never have heard before.
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  Speaker 3: then that strikes me as something worth doing.
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  Speaker 2: And the reason I disagree with that, at least for me,
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  Speaker 2: I can't speak for you, but for myself, I don't
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  Speaker 2: want to be– I don't want to give them fodder.
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  Speaker 2: I don't want to be their wind-up toy. I don't
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  Speaker 2: want to be the– they'll want to make an example
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  Speaker 2: out of me. They're going to want to bash me.
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  Speaker 2: But you're smart, though. Cuomo doesn't really do that, and
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  Speaker 2: you're careful. I have done MSNBC two or three times
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  Speaker 2: over the years.
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  Speaker 4: Really?
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  Speaker 3: Honestly, they've treated me great.
• 12:41
  Speaker 2: Well, you're not going to get treated great by some
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  Speaker 2: of those crazies over there. Now, maybe Maddow, I don't know.
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  Speaker 2: But some of them, I don't know. When I go.
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  Speaker 3: On with her, there's one person. This is funny because
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  Speaker 3: I've said I'd go anywhere. There's one guy I just
• 13:00
  Speaker 3: don't think I could look at. Lawrence O'Donnell. Oh, gosh,
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  Speaker 3: he is a weasel of the highest order. And just
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  Speaker 3: so because I'll go on with somebody I disagree with
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  Speaker 3: as a guest or whatever. But your host is just
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  Speaker 3: an intellectually dishonest asshole. That might be one I would take.
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  Speaker 2: Well, I used to like that. I used to do that, too.
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  Speaker 2: But I'm at a point now and I think it
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  Speaker 2: gets back to common ground. I want to share some
• 13:28
  Speaker 2: results of a survey, a study that just came out
• 13:31
  Speaker 2: over hundreds of thousands of college kids. And I also
• 13:34
  Speaker 2: want to start today a little bit. I started my
• 13:36
  Speaker 2: morning besides thinking I was having a heart attack any
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  Speaker 2: minute now. I mean, my stupid, my kids are so
• 13:42
  Speaker 2: mad at me. They're like, Dad, would you knock it off?
• 13:44
  Speaker 2: You're going to worry people over. I said, guys, I'm
• 13:47
  Speaker 2: telling you, I had pain in my chest during the night. Now,
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  Speaker 2: plaque in your arteries takes years to get there.
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  Speaker 3: Yes.
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  Speaker 2: I just discovered it a week or so ago. So
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  Speaker 2: now I'm convinced I'm about to have a massive heart
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  Speaker 2: attack any minute now. Which is not going to happen.
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  Speaker 2: But I had this pain. Now, you know what I
• 14:05
  Speaker 2: probably did? I probably dreamt it. I probably dreamed. Because
• 14:07
  Speaker 2: I went to bed reading a book about a new
• 14:10
  Speaker 2: form of diet that the author guarantees makes you 100%
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  Speaker 2: heart attack proof.
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  Speaker 3: But is this the vegan nonsense?
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  Speaker 2: Esselstyn. Esselstyn diet. It's a plant-based vegan diet. Lord, take
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  Speaker 2: me now, God. Take me now. Oh, yeah. Plant, leafy,
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  Speaker 2: no eggs, no cheese, no nothing, no meat, nothing with
• 14:35
  Speaker 2: a face or eye. Nothing with a face. Now, whatever that,
• 14:39
  Speaker 2: what the hell does that mean? Nothing with a face?
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  Speaker 3: I don't know if McCartney coined that. Like chicken? Somebody
• 14:43
  Speaker 3: asked Paul McCartney something about that. He said, I can't
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  Speaker 3: eat anything with a face, which means no mammals, no fish,
• 14:49
  Speaker 3: no nothing. My retort when he said that probably 20
• 14:52
  Speaker 3: years ago is I said, I need everything I eat
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  Speaker 3: to have a face. Before I had that salad, I'd draw–
• 14:57
  Speaker 3: I'd take out a Sharpie. I'd draw a face on
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  Speaker 3: the head of lettuce.
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  Speaker 2: So I love that. So nothing with the face, nothing
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  Speaker 2: with a mother. That was the other part of this.
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  Speaker 3: Oh, good.
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  Speaker 2: Just stop with the mother.
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  Speaker 1: I know.
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  Speaker 2: But he apparently has this diet. Well, look, I can't
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  Speaker 2: do it, though, because you know why? I'll be suicidal
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  Speaker 2: if I got to eat that way. I have a
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  Speaker 2: heart attack.
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  Speaker 3: You'll blow your brain.
• 15:19
  Speaker 2: I'll jump off the balcony. I'll go right off the edge.
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  Speaker 2: I don't want to live my last years on Earth
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  Speaker 2: eating tofu. Exactly. For crying out loud. So anyway, but
• 15:29
  Speaker 2: and I am plugged into AI and I'm plugged into
• 15:32
  Speaker 2: chat GPT and rock. And it's why this guest we
• 15:36
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• 15:37
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• 15:41
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  Speaker 2: with a B. And there's a reason that these tech
• 16:03
  Speaker 2: overlords are trying to scare the hell out of people.
• 16:06
  Speaker 2: And it isn't legitimate, and it isn't authentic, and it
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  Speaker 2: Nurture writes, I've been vegan since 1992, and I still
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  Speaker 2: love the M & M podcast. The bashing is making
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  Speaker 2: me laugh. Keep up the great show. You know the
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  Speaker 2: thing about a vegan diet, though, and this plant-based thing
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  Speaker 2: that this doctor, I'm telling you, I'll bet you it
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  Speaker 2: is great for you. I'll bet it is. You know what?
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  Speaker 2: I don't know how you do it, though. How do
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  Speaker 2: you just eat beans?
• 19:23
  Speaker 3: Well, I think you can't. Okay, what are the types
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  Speaker 3: of beans? Lisa will throw some stuff in. Is it garbanzos?
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  Speaker 3: There are certain beans that, no, they're pretty tasty. There
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  Speaker 3: are certain beans that have an almost meat-like heft.
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  Speaker 2: It's just a weird.
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  Speaker 3: But there's a way to do it in a way.
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  Speaker 3: But I just think it's an affectation. And I don't
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  Speaker 3: think protein is healthy. I think the chicken is healthy.
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  Speaker 3: I think the fish are healthy. Some degree of red
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  Speaker 3: meat might even be as well. But if somebody doesn't
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  Speaker 3: want to eat another living thing, okay. I mean, I
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  Speaker 2: Why not? Good for them. I mean, I honestly, I
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  Speaker 2: don't think I can do it. Although, you know, the
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  Speaker 2: only chance I think I would have had with this
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  Speaker 2: Esselstyn plan or whatever his name is, you know what
• 20:13
  Speaker 2: they do allow? Pasta and bread.
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  Speaker 3: Well, now my head is exploding.
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  Speaker 2: I know.
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  Speaker 3: That's supposed to be everything that's horrible. I mean, the
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  Speaker 3: But after a week of it, you will kill somebody
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  Speaker 3: a bowl of spaghetti. And that would be me.
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  Speaker 2: That would be me too. I love pasta and I
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  Speaker 2: love bread, but it's got to be whole grain pasta
• 20:41
  Speaker 2: and bread. That's very important. But I could live with that.
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  Speaker 3: Another Lisa discovery, lentil pasta. Pasta made out of veg products,
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  Speaker 3: and it's darn good.
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  Speaker 2: That sounds like the most disgusting thing I've ever heard
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  Speaker 3: Lentil pasta.
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  Speaker 3: let's use him and put him in the Grape Nuts campaign.
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  Speaker 3: And I'm Mule Gibbons. I like anything made in nature.
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  Speaker 3: out of us.
• 21:35
  Speaker 2: Well, is the AI hysteria good comedy or not? Let
• 21:39
  Speaker 2: me play for you the Bill Gates comment that got
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  Speaker 2: a lot. And I had Kim Commando. You ever follow
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  Speaker 2: Kim Commando?
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  Speaker 3: Oh, I met her once in California. Does she still
• 21:49
  Speaker 3: have like her computer world?
• 21:50
  Speaker 2: She sure does. Oh. Does she ever? And she's a
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  Speaker 2: spokesperson for Incogni, which is an online site that I've discovered.
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  Speaker 2: I'm now endorsing them because you know what happens? These
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  Speaker 2: data brokers and people search sites take your info and
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  Speaker 2: they sell it. And these data brokers buy your personal
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  Speaker 2: information and people are getting killed. I mean, and they
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  Speaker 2: can't find you online. If they can't find you, they
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  Speaker 2: can't hurt you. So that's what Incogni was all about.
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  Speaker 2: So I had her on to talk about Incogni. Incogni.com,
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  Speaker 2: Why not?
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  Speaker 3: Do we have a slot open for a commercial for
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  Speaker 3: these people?
• 22:26
  Speaker 2: Why not? Why not? We're booming here. We're zooming along.
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  Speaker 2: But she weighed in on Bill Gates and I don't
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  Speaker 2: quite get the valuation of companies and IPOs. That's a
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  Speaker 2: little bit out of my wheelhouse. You probably are better
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  Speaker 2: at it than I am. But what Kim pointed out,
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  Speaker 2: and I've read this as well, the reason these tech
• 22:48
  Speaker 2: overlords are trying to scare people about AI is they
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  Speaker 2: want to increase their company's valuation ahead of IPOs. In
• 22:58
  Speaker 2: other words, if there's a government component, which is what
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  Speaker 2: the Democrats want, It's going to be about control. It's
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  Speaker 2: also going to be about money because there's no other. Now,
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  Speaker 2: here's Bill Gates. Here he was on NBC's Meet the Press.
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  Speaker 2: Let's listen to his warning to lovely Kristen Welker about
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  Speaker 2: what could happen if artificial intelligence goes unchecked.
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  Speaker 4: Do you believe AI is powerful enough to end all
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  Speaker 4: of humanity? AI is certainly powerful enough. to drive events
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  Speaker 4: that cause a billion deaths. So even though it's pretty
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  Speaker 4: hard to get to 100%, there's never been a weapon
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  Speaker 4: as powerful as the combination of people with ill intent
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  Speaker 4: using the latest AI tools. It's great that there's this
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  Speaker 4: discussion with the industry, almost against their interest, admitting these things.
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  Speaker 4: The problem is that the rest of the world is
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  Speaker 4: either discounting this or just thinking of this as a competition.
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  Speaker 4: And it's very scary that we don't have all of
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  Speaker 4: the thinkers saying, how do we want to shape this?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: He's a smart guy, but people are reminding us what
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  Speaker 2: he used to say about everything. He didn't like, Kim
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  Speaker 2: Commando said he didn't want the internet. He thought the
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  Speaker 2: internet was going to kill us all.
• 24:35
  Speaker 3: He's a big dork and very smart, very high on
• 24:38
  Speaker 3: IQ points. And listen, a man of great accomplishment. I
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  Speaker 3: can't sneeze at any of that. But it is possible
• 24:43
  Speaker 3: to have a mind so open that your brain falls out.
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  Speaker 3: Of course, I mean, let's stipulate that anything is truly
• 24:51
  Speaker 3: possible for the most part. But I think there is
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  Speaker 3: an AI doomer community out there, and I don't want
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  Speaker 3: to discount any of the concerns people have. They're concerns
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  Speaker 3: that I have too, mostly about the effect on American
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  Speaker 3: jobs and stuff that a rogue AI might sometimes do.
• 25:06
  Speaker 3: I certainly want to keep guardrails of some type, but
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  Speaker 3: I really hesitate to make them governmental. And I think
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  Speaker 3: the point you made is one of the best, and
• 25:13
  Speaker 3: that is that the reason these tech bros are so
• 25:16
  Speaker 3: interested in what seems to be a self– not self-limiting,
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  Speaker 3: but an extraneous– limits and guardrails from government is they
• 25:25
  Speaker 3: know they've already got their turf laid out. And what
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  Speaker 3: they would love to do is to prevent other little
• 25:30
  Speaker 3: upstart companies from kind of like Apple did to Microsoft,
• 25:35
  Speaker 3: just to pick an example, from becoming rivals.
• 25:39
  Speaker 2: Are you using these tools regularly, ChatGPT?
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  Speaker 3: All the dang time.
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  Speaker 2: Every day.
• 25:45
  Speaker 3: Make a list of this. Show me an article about that.
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  Speaker 3: Did this ever happen? Give me a quick summary. It's
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  Speaker 3: like having an executive summary. I'm a big grok guy
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  Speaker 3: because I'm a big Twitter guy. ChatGPT, sometimes I think
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  Speaker 3: you use that more than I do. I'll tell you what,
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  Speaker 3: Lisa goes with ChatGPT. Oh, dude. And again, sometimes it's free.
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  Speaker 3: If you give it a couple of bucks, it'll do
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  Speaker 3: all kinds of things. She was doing like interior design
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  Speaker 2: email address. And we'll find some time to chat with you.
• 32:47
  Speaker 2: Mike at MikeOnline.com. But whatever you can afford, call 833-850-BABY. 833-850-BABY.
• 32:55
  Speaker 2: That's 833-850-2229. Or you could just visit Preborn.com slash MMXtra.
• 33:02
  Speaker 2: Go to Preborn.com slash MMXtra. Mark, let's conclude by talking
• 33:09
  Speaker 2: a little bit about your... your reluctance to embrace technology.
• 33:13
  Speaker 2: And I don't mean that in a– I'm not saying
• 33:15
  Speaker 2: that in a critical way. Or an accurate way.
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  Speaker 1: What do you mean?
• 33:18
  Speaker 3: I love technology.
• 33:18
  Speaker 2: I'm talking about this thing I got on my wrist. Yeah,
• 33:21
  Speaker 2: that devil I want no part of.
• 33:23
  Speaker 3: Right. The Apple Watch. Nope.
• 33:25
  Speaker 2: The devil watch. The devil watch. Because let me tell
• 33:28
  Speaker 2: you why I think it's fascinating.
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  Speaker 3: And I'm an Apple guy. I'm an Apple acolyte. I mean,
• 33:32
  Speaker 3: I'm looking at a Mac, an iPhone, blah, blah, blah.
• 33:37
  Speaker 3: But as far as having that thing on my arm
• 33:40
  Speaker 3: where the world can get a hold of me, that's
• 33:44
  Speaker 3: a heck no forever.
• 33:46
  Speaker 2: Well, first of all, there is a way you can
• 33:49
  Speaker 2: disconnect that you can take out that connectivity between your
• 33:53
  Speaker 2: Apple Watch and your phone. So it won't zit, zit,
• 33:55
  Speaker 2: zit every two minutes. You can do that. But then
• 33:58
  Speaker 2: it becomes the deep secret. It's a me problem. I
• 34:01
  Speaker 2: know I can, but would I? Would you be strong
• 34:06
  Speaker 2: enough to do it? And look, I admit it. I've
• 34:09
  Speaker 2: got a connectivity problem myself. I cannot stop doom scrolling.
• 34:12
  Speaker 2: I can't put the damn phone down. But there's something about–
• 34:15
  Speaker 2: like last night, I took– I told you earlier. I
• 34:18
  Speaker 2: took a nice, brisk 40-minute walk. It measured my steps.
• 34:21
  Speaker 2: It measured how much I walked. It measured my heart rate.
• 34:24
  Speaker 2: It measured my– like a very– perfunctory blood pressure. It
• 34:34
  Speaker 2: doesn't really do blood pressure per se, but it gives
• 34:36
  Speaker 2: you a lot of health data. It does a lot
• 34:39
  Speaker 2: of cool stuff. And Mark, I'm going to start wearing...
• 34:43
  Speaker 2: And this is how stupid I am. Harry Hypochondriac over here.
• 34:46
  Speaker 2: I asked Grok... Will my Apple iWatch alert me if
• 34:53
  Speaker 2: I'm about to have a massive heart attack? And I
• 34:56
  Speaker 2: can almost hear Grok laughing at me. No, it doesn't
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  Speaker 2: alert you if you have a heart attack, you moron.
• 35:03
  Speaker 2: But why not? I thought maybe it'll give me a
• 35:05
  Speaker 2: little alert. You know, I'm about to go, you know,
• 35:09
  Speaker 2: toes up. And you used to be against these autonomous
• 35:15
  Speaker 2: driving vehicles. You used to be against Teslas and the
• 35:19
  Speaker 2: full self-drive.
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  Speaker 3: But that was a bit. That was me being sort
• 35:23
  Speaker 3: of comedy Luddite and having the normal apprehension. I still
• 35:28
  Speaker 3: haven't done it. I have not gotten into a car
• 35:30
  Speaker 3: that drives itself. When it does, I will have a
• 35:34
  Speaker 3: heart attack. And then recover and then I'll probably realize
• 35:36
  Speaker 3: that that will be the rest of my life and
• 35:38
  Speaker 3: totally understand and probably be pretty well in on it.
• 35:41
  Speaker 3: And I've heard all your stories about the full self-driving mode,
• 35:44
  Speaker 3: how it's less stressful. It's just– I totally get it.
• 35:47
  Speaker 3: But you are right in that I've gone from being
• 35:51
  Speaker 3: sort of performatively hesitant– So now I'm pretty on board
• 35:58
  Speaker 3: and pretty enthused about it.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah. I mean, it's just– I just like– my
• 36:04
  Speaker 2: wife used to be so frustrated. Her best friend refused
• 36:07
  Speaker 2: to get a smartphone, refused to use a fax machine,
• 36:11
  Speaker 2: refused to do anything. A fax machine? 1966? No, but
• 36:15
  Speaker 2: going way back. This goes back many years, obviously. But
• 36:18
  Speaker 2: just resisted technology, resisted– like I've got a couple of
• 36:22
  Speaker 2: friends who will not text at all. Texting is glorious.
• 36:26
  Speaker 3: It's a wonderful thing to be able to text. You
• 36:30
  Speaker 3: want real fast etiquette?
• 36:31
  Speaker 2: Sure.
• 36:32
  Speaker 3: Will you join me in issuing this suggestion to everyone?
• 36:39
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 36:40
  Speaker 3: If there's somebody who you need to call, don't call them.
• 36:43
  Speaker 3: Text them first. Always text them first. Because what that
• 36:47
  Speaker 3: does is if there's somebody who just realized, oh, I
• 36:49
  Speaker 3: need to call Bill, I should call Bill or whatever, whatever.
• 36:51
  Speaker 3: You don't know if Bill's ready to take your call.
• 36:53
  Speaker 3: If he is, great. If not, he's got to go, oh, geez.
• 36:56
  Speaker 3: And then you got to go to voicemail. I haven't
• 36:58
  Speaker 3: left or listened to a voicemail in five years. So
• 37:02
  Speaker 3: there's that. Generally speaking, I want to be a huge
• 37:05
  Speaker 3: cheerleader for proponent for. texting somebody, just take five seconds, say, hey,
• 37:10
  Speaker 3: got a couple of things I want to run by you.
• 37:11
  Speaker 3: Can I call you right now?
• 37:12
  Speaker 2: You're right. Would you suggest that is universally a good
• 37:16
  Speaker 2: idea to do? Oh, you and I do it together
• 37:18
  Speaker 2: all the time. I mean, I'll reach out to you.
• 37:20
  Speaker 2: Got a minute to chat. Let's cover this. But I
• 37:22
  Speaker 2: also want to make sure that I'm respecting your time
• 37:25
  Speaker 2: and you may not have a minute or if you're
• 37:26
  Speaker 2: in the middle of something. You're right. It's better than
• 37:29
  Speaker 2: answering a phone. Mark, I'm on the elevator. I'm on.
• 37:32
  Speaker 2: I can't talk.
• 37:33
  Speaker 3: I'm in a meeting.
• 37:34
  Speaker 2: No. Texting is a glorious thing and we love it.
• 37:38
  Speaker 2: That's why we both have text lines as well during
• 37:41
  Speaker 2: our shows. It's why I love the chat room. And
• 37:44
  Speaker 2: it's why I love M & M Extra. What a
• 37:46
  Speaker 2: good day today. Happy Tuesday. Mark, let's– oh, by the way,
• 37:50
  Speaker 2: did you get the book that I had shipped to
• 37:53
  Speaker 2: you about Admiral Kimmel?
• 37:55
  Speaker 1: Yes.
• 37:56
  Speaker 3: And it's on my little– I'm in the middle of
• 37:58
  Speaker 3: one book. And having just started another, it will come around.
• 38:02
  Speaker 3: And here's the weird thing. Speaking of giving somebody a
• 38:06
  Speaker 3: heads up, this book arrives– Amazon brings it or somebody
• 38:10
  Speaker 3: or UPS or whatever. I had no idea who it
• 38:13
  Speaker 3: was from. I thought the publisher is I called Rhonda
• 38:17
  Speaker 3: or we have to have this person on as a guest.
• 38:19
  Speaker 3: It's an admiral who caught a bad break and turned
• 38:22
  Speaker 3: reputationally from Pearl Harbor, got blamed for something over the decades.
• 38:27
  Speaker 3: Take 60 seconds. It's fine because I can't wait to
• 38:29
  Speaker 3: get to it. And it was one of your South
• 38:31
  Speaker 3: Carolina visits. you ran into somebody in the family or something, correct?
• 38:35
  Speaker 2: Admiral Kimmel was scapegoated for the Pearl Harbor invasion of Hawaii.
• 38:40
  Speaker 2: And he was disgraced. And it was wrong. It was unfair.
• 38:45
  Speaker 2: And there's a book that was written to exonerate him.
• 38:49
  Speaker 2: And his grandson, Manning Kimmel, now runs our affiliate in
• 38:55
  Speaker 2: Rock Hill, South Carolina. And he is a great ambassador
• 39:00
  Speaker 2: for his grandfather's legacy. And Mark, I want to get
• 39:03
  Speaker 2: him on our podcast. Let's do that as one of
• 39:06
  Speaker 2: our Friday themes, because it's a great story. It's fascinating.
• 39:10
  Speaker 2: The book, I believe, is called, is it?
• 39:13
  Speaker 3: While you're talking, I'm Googling.
• 39:16
  Speaker 1: Thanks, AI.
• 39:17
  Speaker 3: A Matter of Honor. Pearl Harbor, Betrayal, Blame, and a
• 39:21
  Speaker 3: Family's Quest for Justice. That's a lot of syllables. A
• 39:24
  Speaker 3: Matter of Honor.
• 39:25
  Speaker 2: A Matter of Honor.
• 39:26
  Speaker 3: Betrayal, Blame, and a Family's Quest for Justice by Anthony
• 39:30
  Speaker 3: Summers and Robin Swan.
• 39:31
  Speaker 2: That's right. So we'll get Manning on the show. And incidentally,
• 39:34
  Speaker 2: speaking of honorable, look how quick Yasmin... who's under the
• 39:38
  Speaker 2: weather today, has World War II B-roll.
• 39:40
  Speaker 3: Look at there, man.
• 39:41
  Speaker 2: How does she do that? How do you do that, Yasmin?
• 39:44
  Speaker 2: I'm telling you, she's a sorceress. She's got some kind
• 39:49
  Speaker 2: of spell or something. How she could pull World... How
• 39:53
  Speaker 2: would she know we were going to talk about World
• 39:55
  Speaker 2: War II just like that? Well, I don't think it
• 39:57
  Speaker 2: went up before you mentioned it. I have a feeling
• 39:59
  Speaker 2: it was seconds after. It was a few seconds in.
• 40:02
  Speaker 2: And it might have involved AI. I don't know how
• 40:04
  Speaker 2: she does it. I mean, I don't know. You know
• 40:06
  Speaker 2: what she reminds me of? Do you remember, you're a
• 40:10
  Speaker 2: longtime Stern fan. Stern has had by his side, like
• 40:15
  Speaker 2: we've had, I've had Eric for 25 plus years or
• 40:18
  Speaker 2: whatever next to me or running the show. He has
• 40:21
  Speaker 2: got Fred Norris. And Fred Norris sits in front of
• 40:25
  Speaker 2: a bank of sound effects. And Howard will make some
• 40:29
  Speaker 2: joke about something. And right away, Fred has a sound
• 40:33
  Speaker 2: effect that matches Howard's description. That's what Yasmin reminds me
• 40:37
  Speaker 2: of with B-roll on our podcast and on the Mike
• 40:40
  Speaker 2: Gallagher show. It's incredible to me how quickly she does that.
• 40:43
  Speaker 3: So between her and Eric and Tracy and just the team,
• 40:47
  Speaker 3: these are people who are in your world all the time.
• 40:49
  Speaker 3: And do I obviously know? you know, from a beat
• 40:51
  Speaker 3: away being in another town, but it's just, I've, it
• 40:54
  Speaker 3: has given me another opportunity to become even more appreciative of,
• 40:58
  Speaker 3: of there. There is no I in team and just
• 41:00
  Speaker 3: the people who put this together. If anybody is watching
• 41:03
  Speaker 3: this and they love us yammering at each other, between
• 41:08
  Speaker 3: Yasmin and Eric and Tracy, they make it all possible
• 41:10
  Speaker 3: and we are in their debt as we are in
• 41:12
  Speaker 3: your debt for listening and hanging out.
• 41:14
  Speaker 2: And Yasmin and Eric and Tracy, go the extra mile
• 41:18
  Speaker 2: for this podcast. This is on top of our daily
• 41:21
  Speaker 2: duties for the shows that we do. And we are
• 41:24
  Speaker 2: enormously grateful to that trio. We're lucky and blessed and
• 41:28
  Speaker 2: honored to get to do this every single day. I
• 41:31
  Speaker 2: got a plan. How about we do this again tomorrow, Mr. Davis?
• 41:33
  Speaker 3: I have absolutely no clue what we'll talk about. And
• 41:36
  Speaker 3: therein lies the adventure.
• 41:38
  Speaker 2: See you tomorrow. Thanks for joining us on M &
• 41:39
  Speaker 2: M Extra.