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Trump Indicted AGAIN, Facebook ADMITS Censorship & Now Kamala Supports the Wall? · The 47 Morning Update with Ben Ferguson

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  Speaker 1: Welcome.
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  Speaker 2: It is verdic with center, Teed Cruz, Ben Ferguson with you, Senator.
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  Speaker 2: It's a very big day because I'm just gonna go
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  Speaker 2: ahead and throw it out there. It's my birthday, and
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  Speaker 2: why not throw in a Donald Trump up getting reindicted.
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  Speaker 2: All at the same time, it's the best birthday president
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  Speaker 2: you can ask for.
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  Speaker 3: Well, happy birthday, big guy. I'm really proud to see
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  Speaker 3: you enter age sixty. You know, you don't look a
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  Speaker 3: day over fifty five, and so that's really great.
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  Speaker 1: Man.
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  Speaker 2: You know, forty three, I'm never gonna catch up to you, sir.
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  Speaker 2: You're just older than I am. I don't you know older.
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  Speaker 2: You can throw in the wiser thing, but I'm still
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  Speaker 2: coming for you.
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  Speaker 3: Look, you're forty three, so you're George W.
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  Speaker 1: Bush today. That's right. I like it, so you'll remember
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  Speaker 1: it this year. There you go. So let's talk about
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  Speaker 1: this indictment for a second. This is crazy, all right.
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  Speaker 3: So it's a big day number one, As Yogi Barra said,
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  Speaker 3: it's deja vu all over again. Donald Trump has been indicted.
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  Speaker 3: I gotta say, I wish that were new, I wish
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  Speaker 3: that were different, I wish that were unusual. At this point,
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  Speaker 3: it feels like any day that ends with a why
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  Speaker 3: the Democrats are indicted on Donald Trump again? Every time
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  Speaker 3: they're scared that he's going to win, they indict him again. So, yes,
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  Speaker 3: that has happened again. We're going to explain exactly what
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  Speaker 3: Jack Smith did and what it means beyond that. This
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  Speaker 3: is actually a big bombshell. Facebook admits it is actively
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  Speaker 3: censoring social media and that they was doing so at
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  Speaker 3: the behest of the Biden administration. The government asked it,
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  Speaker 3: and Facebook saluted and actively censored. We're going to talk
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  Speaker 3: about that. And then finally Kamala Harris wants to build
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  Speaker 3: the wall. Truly a stunning admission. This is a bizarre chapter.
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  Speaker 4: We live in. We're going to lay that out as well.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, it certainly is.
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  Speaker 2: you to all of you that are getting involved, in
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  Speaker 2: all of you that already have center. This was one
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  Speaker 2: of those headlines. And I'm I'm not shocked anymore. As
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  Speaker 2: you almost described in the intro there, that the left
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  Speaker 2: is afraid Trump's going to win. So okay, let's try
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  Speaker 2: to throw him in jail, let's indict him again. But
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  Speaker 2: there is some confusion. How is it that this guy
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  Speaker 2: who was told you did it wrong from the Supreme
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  Speaker 2: Court can then go back to the federal grand jury
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  Speaker 2: in DC and reindict Donald Trump on these four felony
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  Speaker 2: charges in essence going around with the Supreme Court. That's
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  Speaker 2: what it seems like, is that reality.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, look, I understand that. Let me say, first of all,
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  Speaker 3: put this in a broader context. A year ago, no
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  Speaker 3: president of the United States has ever been indicted, No
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  Speaker 3: major party candidate for the president had ever been indicted.
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  Speaker 3: In the past year, Donald Trump has been indicted, not once,
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  Speaker 3: not twice, not three times, four separate times by rabid
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  Speaker 3: Democrat partisans who are very concerned that the voters are
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  Speaker 3: going to elect him. Every one of these indictments. They're
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  Speaker 3: not about the criminal law, they're not about the rule
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  Speaker 3: of law, they're not about actual conduct to Donald Trump.
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  Speaker 3: They are about trying to stop the voters from voting
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  Speaker 3: for him. In November, we are sixty nine days away
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  Speaker 3: from election day, and Democrats are terrified he's going to win.
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  Speaker 3: And so I got to say, after four different indictments,
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  Speaker 3: to wake up and see yesterday a fifth indictment. It
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  Speaker 3: almost feels like that classic Saturday Night Live skit with
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  Speaker 3: Christopher Walken where he's a record producer and his solution
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  Speaker 3: to everything is more cow bell, more cow bell. The
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  Speaker 3: Democrats answered, everything is more indictments, more indictments. They just
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  Speaker 3: want to indict Trump. So Jack Smith, Jack Smith is
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  Speaker 3: like to use another analogy.
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  Speaker 4: I don't know.
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  Speaker 3: I feel a little bit like Dennis Miller stopped me
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  Speaker 3: before I sub reference again. Jack Smith is like Javert
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  Speaker 3: from Le Miz. He is going after Jean Valjean, and
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  Speaker 3: Jean Valjean for him is Donald Trump. And he must
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  Speaker 3: get him, and so he filed a brand new indictment
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  Speaker 3: thirty six pages, and he indicted Trump again. Now it
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  Speaker 3: is you asked, is this permissible after the Supreme Court decision,
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  Speaker 3: And the answer is yes, it is.
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  Speaker 5: So.
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  Speaker 3: The Supreme Court did not conclude that jack Smith had
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  Speaker 3: no authority in charges. The Supreme Court did not rule
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  Speaker 3: on whether jack Smith was properly appointed. That was a
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  Speaker 3: basis for ruling from the judge down in Florida concerning
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  Speaker 3: the document's case, but that was not in front of
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  Speaker 3: the Supreme Court. What the Supreme Court ruled is that
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  Speaker 3: presidents of the United States enjoy significant immunity from prosecution.
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  Speaker 3: And the line the Supreme Court laid out is that
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  Speaker 3: the immunity presidents enjoy is an immunity for actions carried
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  Speaker 3: out that are official actions that are carrying out that
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  Speaker 3: are exercising their power as president, and significant parts of
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  Speaker 3: the first indictment were in the direct exercise of Trump's
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  Speaker 3: authority as president. The Supreme Court said, you can indict
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  Speaker 3: a president for that. Lookresident, and let's do all sorts
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  Speaker 3: of things that frankly you and I can't do. Presidents
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  Speaker 3: send the military into combat and kill people if you
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  Speaker 3: and I sent someone out to kill someone, we would
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  Speaker 3: in all likelihood be charged with potentially murder attempted murder.
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  Speaker 3: Presidents have authority under the Constitution that ordinary citizens do not.
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  Speaker 3: What Jack Smith did here is he refiled the indictment,
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  Speaker 3: and you can do that. So one question, and you
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  Speaker 3: and I were talking beforehand, and a question was, well,
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  Speaker 3: does this violate double jeopardy?
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  Speaker 4: And it does not.
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  Speaker 3: So double jeopardy is the protection of the constitution against
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  Speaker 3: trying someone multiple times for the same crime. And the
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  Speaker 3: general rule is that jeopardy attaches when a jury is impaneled.
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  Speaker 3: In other words, when the trial, you get a jury together,
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  Speaker 3: you bring the jury, you start the trial. That's the
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  Speaker 3: point at which, okay, if the guy gets off, if
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  Speaker 3: the guy is acquitted, you can't prosecute him again because
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  Speaker 3: pretty is attached. At this point, jeopardy has not attached legally,
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  Speaker 3: because an indictment has come down, but a jury has
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  Speaker 3: not been impaneled. So the prosecutor can indict Trump as
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  Speaker 3: many times as he wants to. That that is part
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  Speaker 3: of being a prosecutor. Now, indicting is simply bringing a
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  Speaker 3: charge against him. And so what Jack Smith tried to
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  Speaker 3: do here was narrow the indictmenty as many of the
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  Speaker 3: same claims he had before, but he tried to carve
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  Speaker 3: out to excise the bases that were most connected to
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  Speaker 3: Trump's official exercise of presidential authority. Now, I think this
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  Speaker 3: is going to fail. I think this is not going
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  Speaker 3: to go anywhere. But as I said, Jack Smith is
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  Speaker 3: like Javert, he is on a crusade, and so he
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  Speaker 3: did it yet again.
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  Speaker 2: When I look at the timing of this, and this
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  Speaker 2: is the next question, is you mentioned the Facebook story?
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  Speaker 4: Right?
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  Speaker 2: Mark Zuckerberg has now admitted that he played a major
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  Speaker 2: part in election interference, along with by the way, the
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  Speaker 2: FBI and the Biyden regime. So this story comes out
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  Speaker 2: and actually like, all right, let's indict Donald Trump again today.
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  Speaker 2: Is there any threat that this could also be straight
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  Speaker 2: up election interference from the standpoint that Donald Trump's gonna
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  Speaker 2: actually have to go back to court, be in court,
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  Speaker 2: be in a trial between now in November.
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  Speaker 3: Now, I don't think there's any risk of that. Look, look,
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  Speaker 3: we're sixty nine days out from the election. This new indictment,
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  Speaker 3: a new indictment takes time. You're not going to see
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  Speaker 3: a criminal trial between now an election day. We're just
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  Speaker 3: too close that there's no prospect of that happening that quickly.
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  Speaker 3: In DC. There might be some pre trial hearing or something.
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  Speaker 3: It could conceivably take one day, but it's not going
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  Speaker 3: to consume significant time between now an election day and
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  Speaker 3: what this means. Listen, if Trump wins and he gets
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  Speaker 3: inaugurated as the president on January twentieth the next year,
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  Speaker 3: this case will be dismissed on January twentieth because as
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  Speaker 3: president he has the authority to order the case to
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  Speaker 3: be dismissed, and he will. So this is number one.
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  Speaker 3: It's another political shot at Trump for them to say, oh,
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  Speaker 3: he's been indicted again. He's a felon. He's a felon,
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  Speaker 3: He's a felaon. At this point, they already say he's
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  Speaker 3: a fellain NonStop. When we have a debate between Kamala
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  Speaker 3: Harris and Donald Trump, and by the way, when we
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  Speaker 3: do have the debate, this podcast is going to analyze
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  Speaker 3: before the debate and great detail what to expect, and
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  Speaker 3: then after the debate we're going to break it down
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  Speaker 3: in great detail. I'll point out on this pod you
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  Speaker 3: and I did a special pod the night of the
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  Speaker 3: debate between Donald Trump and Joe Biden, and I think
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  Speaker 3: it was a really consequential pod because that night real time,
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  Speaker 3: we predicted and we said in my judgment the odds
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  Speaker 3: were one hundred percent that Joe Biden would not be
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  Speaker 3: the nominee of the Democrat Party, that this would prove
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  Speaker 3: to be the most consequential presidential debate in US history.
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  Speaker 3: That prediction proved right because just after a month later,
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  Speaker 3: they remove Biden from the ballot. So we'll do the
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  Speaker 3: same thing on this debate. But I gotta say, I
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  Speaker 3: actually am not terribly excited about this Jack Smith indictment one.
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  Speaker 4: Way or the other.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, he hates Trump, Yes, he's willing to abuse power.
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  Speaker 3: We know that this is nothing new. I don't think
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  Speaker 3: there are a whole lot of political consequences to another
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  Speaker 3: indictment after there have been four. I don't really see
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  Speaker 3: how a fifth indictment has any more political bite to it.
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  Speaker 3: And I don't think there are real legal consequences. Now,
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  Speaker 3: if God forbid, Kamala wins, then this legal case will
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  Speaker 3: proceed and Trump may be dragged into ongoing proceedings for
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  Speaker 3: years as a consequence of this. But in terms of
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  Speaker 3: the election, I don't see any significant consequences.
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  Speaker 2: So let's talk about this other massive story and that
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  Speaker 2: broke and this is dealing with Meta, which owns Facebook, Instagram.
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  Speaker 2: And the House Judiciary Committee came out and said, hey,
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  Speaker 2: Mark Zuckerberg, who's the founder owner of Facebook, has in
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  Speaker 2: a letter to Congress admitting some pretty major things. One
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  Speaker 2: that the Biden Herricks administration pressured Facebook to censor Americans.
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  Speaker 2: Two they did it. Facebook said sure, we're all in,
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  Speaker 2: we will censor Americans. And three Facebook then throttled the
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  Speaker 2: Hunter Biden laptop story as well. And we have to
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  Speaker 2: I think connect the dots here center. Zuckerberg was all
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  Speaker 2: in for the Democrats in Biden. There was a thing
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  Speaker 2: called zuck Bucks. We're talking about tens of millions of
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  Speaker 2: hundreds of millions of dollars that were going to leftist candidates.
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  Speaker 2: Mark Zuckerberg is a hardcore lefty. It's very clear follow
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  Speaker 2: the money. But in this letter, it was like he
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  Speaker 2: tried to wash his hands of any of that. It's like, oh,
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  Speaker 2: I was just trusting the government, and I probably shouldn't
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  Speaker 2: have my bad.
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  Speaker 3: So there's a lot to say here. Let me say
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  Speaker 3: first of all that Mark Zuckerberg sent a letter to
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  Speaker 3: Jim Jordan sent it on to August twenty sixth, So
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  Speaker 3: this week and this letter is a big deal, and
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  Speaker 3: I want to read what's in this letter. It's not
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  Speaker 3: very long, it's just over a page, but our listeners
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  Speaker 3: need to know exactly what Zuckerbrok said because there's a
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  Speaker 3: lot of substance. Then I want to break down what
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  Speaker 3: it means. So here's what Zuckerberg said. Chairman Jordan, I
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  Speaker 3: appreciate the committee's interest and content moderation online platforms. As
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  Speaker 3: you are aware, Metas produced thousands of documents part of
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  Speaker 3: investigation and made a dozen employees available for transcribed interviews
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  Speaker 3: further to our cooperation with your investigation. I welcome the
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  Speaker 3: opportunity to share what I've taken away from this process.
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  Speaker 3: There's a lot of talk right now about how the
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  Speaker 3: US government interacts with companies like Meta, and I want
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  Speaker 3: to be clear about our position. Our platforms are for everyone.
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  Speaker 3: We're about promoting speech and helping people connect in a
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  Speaker 3: safe and secure way. As part of this, we regularly
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  Speaker 3: hear from governments around the world and others with various
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  Speaker 3: concerns about public discourse and public safety. In twenty twenty one,
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  Speaker 3: and I will note that's when Biden was in office.
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  Speaker 3: Senior officials from the Biden administration, including the White House,
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  Speaker 3: repeatedly pressured our teams for months to censor certain COVID
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  Speaker 3: nineteen content, including humor and satire, and expressed a lot
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  Speaker 3: of frustration with our teams when we didn't agree. Ultimately,
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  Speaker 3: was our decision whether or not to take content down,
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  Speaker 3: and we own our decisions, including COVID nineteen related changes
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  Speaker 3: we made to our enforcement in the wake of this pressure.
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  Speaker 3: I believe the government pressure was wrong, and I regret
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  Speaker 3: that we were not more outspoken about it. I also
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  Speaker 3: think we made some choices that, with the benefit of
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  Speaker 3: hindsight and new information, we wouldn't make today. Like I
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  Speaker 3: said to our teams at the time, I feel strongly
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  Speaker 3: that we should not compromise our content standards due to
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  Speaker 3: the pressure from any administration in either direction, and we're
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  Speaker 3: ready to push back if something like this happens again.
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  Speaker 3: In a separate situation, the FBI warned us about a
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  Speaker 3: potential Russian disinformation operation about the Biden family and Barisma
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  Speaker 3: in the lead up to the twenty twenty election that fall.
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  Speaker 3: When we saw a New York Post story reporting on
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  Speaker 3: corruption allegations involving then Democratic presidential nominee Joe Biden's family.
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  Speaker 3: We sent the story to fact checkers for review and
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  Speaker 3: temporarily demoted it while waiting for a reply. It's since
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  Speaker 3: been made clear that the reporting was not Russian disinformation,
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  Speaker 3: and in retrospect, we shouldn't have demoted the story. We've
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  Speaker 3: changed our policies and processes to make sure this doesn't
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  Speaker 3: happen again. For example, we no longer temporarily demote things
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  Speaker 3: in the US while waiting for fact checkers. Apart from
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  Speaker 3: content moderation, I want to assess the contributions I made
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  Speaker 3: during the last presidential cycle to support electoral infrastructure. The
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  Speaker 3: idea here was to make sure local election jurisdictions across
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  Speaker 3: the country had the resources they needed to help people
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  Speaker 3: vote safely during the global pandemic. I made these contributions
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  Speaker 3: through the chan Zuckerberg Initiative. They were designed to be nonpartisan,
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  Speaker 3: spread across urban, rural, and suburban communities. Still, despite despite
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  Speaker 3: the analyzes I've seen showing otherwise, I know that some
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  Speaker 3: people believe this work benefited one party over the other.
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  Speaker 3: My goal is to be neutral and not play a
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  Speaker 3: role one way or the other, or even appear to
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  Speaker 3: be playing a role. So I don't plan on making
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  Speaker 3: a similar contribution this cycle, respectfully, Mark Zuckerberg.
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  Speaker 2: Now, I'm sorry this last because I just don't believe
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  Speaker 2: any of this crap from him, and I just maybe
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  Speaker 2: I'm cynical center, but like this, to me, seems like
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  Speaker 2: he's hedging his bets. Maybe Donald Trump wins, maybe Republicans
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  Speaker 2: are in control of stuff, and so now I'm hedging
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  Speaker 2: my bets. That don't come down hard on me.
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  Speaker 4: You know, yes, and no, I actually have a little
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  Speaker 4: bit take on it than you do. Ben.
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  Speaker 3: So let me say, first of all, the admission he
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  Speaker 3: made publicly that the Biden White House repeatedly pressure him
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  Speaker 3: to censor speech. That's a big deal. That is enormously consequential.
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  Speaker 3: The predicate of legislation that different states have passed, including Texas,
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  Speaker 3: including Florida, is that government cannot use private industry to
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  Speaker 3: censor for them. His admission there has real legal consequences
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  Speaker 3: because there's a whole doctrine where when government uses private
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  Speaker 3: industry to violate the constitution, that that is, the courts
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  Speaker 3: can step in and stop that Now, the Supreme Court
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  Speaker 3: this past term basically concluded, gosh, we don't know that
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  Speaker 3: government was pressuring big tech to censor people. Well, you
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  Speaker 3: know what, the Supreme Court's entire assumption was just disproven
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  Speaker 3: by Mark Zuckerberg's admission. That has real consequences and consequences
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  Speaker 3: that will appear in litigation going forward. So his saying
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  Speaker 3: that and even his saying we should have stood up
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  Speaker 3: to that pressure more, that's meaningful. Now the second point
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  Speaker 3: he made, which was that the Biden that the FBI
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  Speaker 3: pressured Facebook to censor information about the Hunter Biden laptop. Look,
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  Speaker 3: you and I have talked about this at length on
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  Speaker 3: this podcast. That was blatant election interference. It may well
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  Speaker 3: have changed the outcome of the twenty twenty election. I
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  Speaker 3: am angry as you are. That's saying sorry four years
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  Speaker 3: later is too little, too late. But I'm glad for
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  Speaker 3: the I'm sorry as compared to denying it ever happened.
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  Speaker 3: That there is at least some tiny kernel of accountability
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  Speaker 3: in that. And finally, the point about the Zuckbucks. Look,
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  Speaker 3: the single largest Democrat donor in twenty twenty was named
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  Speaker 3: Mark Zuckerberg. He invested four hundred million dollars in election
• 18:59
  Speaker 3: in for structure in big blue cities, and that easily
• 19:02
  Speaker 3: could have changed the outcome of the election. By the way,
• 19:05
  Speaker 3: by contrast, the biggest Republican donor in twenty twenty was
• 19:08
  Speaker 3: seld Natilson. He put about one hundred million, so it
• 19:10
  Speaker 3: was a four to one differential. Wow, Zuckerberg is saying, well, gosh,
• 19:16
  Speaker 3: I didn't mean to influence the outcome of the election.
• 19:19
  Speaker 3: Now I call bs on that. I don't believe that
• 19:21
  Speaker 3: at all. He's a very bright man. He knew damn
• 19:25
  Speaker 3: well what he was doing. But I do think it's meaningful.
• 19:29
  Speaker 3: The closing line of the letter, I will not be
• 19:32
  Speaker 3: making a similar contribution going forward. I'll tell you something
• 19:35
  Speaker 3: I've heard from multiple people in the tech world, which
• 19:40
  Speaker 3: is that Zuckerberg is souring on the leftists and the Democrats.
• 19:46
  Speaker 3: That he's souring on that he had been look in
• 19:50
  Speaker 3: the last cycle, he was the single biggest Democrat donor
• 19:53
  Speaker 3: in the country. The fact that he's saying, I'm not
• 19:56
  Speaker 3: doing that again, I'm really glad not to have four
• 19:58
  Speaker 3: hundred million dollars coming in on behalf of Kamala Harris
• 20:01
  Speaker 3: in the last two months. If he doesn't do that.
• 20:04
  Speaker 3: That's a big deal. That dramatically enhances the chance of
• 20:08
  Speaker 3: Trump's victory. That's good for democracy, that's good for America.
• 20:12
  Speaker 3: And I do think it's a broader sense where Look,
• 20:15
  Speaker 3: I know Zuckerberg a little bit. I don't know him well,
• 20:17
  Speaker 3: but I spent He and I had about a three
• 20:20
  Speaker 3: and a half hour dinner together. It was a very
• 20:21
  Speaker 3: interesting dinner. Look, he's a crazy smart guy. We did
• 20:27
  Speaker 3: it by the way off the grid. We did it
• 20:29
  Speaker 3: in DC. We didn't do it at a restaurant because, frankly,
• 20:32
  Speaker 3: Ben people would lose their crap if they saw me
• 20:35
  Speaker 3: and Mark Zuckerberg sitting at a restaurant having dinner together.
• 20:37
  Speaker 4: So we didn't do that.
• 20:40
  Speaker 3: Yeah, but it was an interesting He reached out and said, Hey,
• 20:42
  Speaker 3: I'd like to have dinner with you. I said sure,
• 20:44
  Speaker 3: and we had. I would characterize a vigorous intellectual debate
• 20:48
  Speaker 3: where I was very aggressively saying to him, stop censoring people.
• 20:54
  Speaker 3: Who the hell are you to decide what is and
• 20:57
  Speaker 3: what isn't permissible to say? Just to allow free speech. Basically,
• 21:01
  Speaker 3: I was urging Zuckerberg to do to Facebook what Elon
• 21:05
  Speaker 3: Musk has done to Twitter.
• 21:06
  Speaker 4: Now X.
• 21:07
  Speaker 1: What was his reaction to that.
• 21:08
  Speaker 2: I mean, because I've been I've had the privilege of
• 21:11
  Speaker 2: having quite a few meals with you, and having those
• 21:14
  Speaker 2: types of spirited conversations are very fun because you're honest,
• 21:20
  Speaker 2: you're blunt, but it's also a genuine conversation.
• 21:24
  Speaker 1: Was what was the demeanor towards that?
• 21:27
  Speaker 3: Listen, he's very smart, and he's he's he's a geek.
• 21:32
  Speaker 3: And I don't mean that pejoratively. I mean, heck, I'm
• 21:34
  Speaker 3: a geek like that. I actually can talk to geeks
• 21:37
  Speaker 3: quite well. I mean, I'm my parents are both mathematicians
• 21:40
  Speaker 3: and computer programmers.
• 21:41
  Speaker 4: So if you.
• 21:42
  Speaker 3: Really want to walk out, But by the way, when
• 21:44
  Speaker 3: I hang out with you, Ben, you like enhance my
• 21:47
  Speaker 3: cool factor dramatically.
• 21:48
  Speaker 4: Like you were like a.
• 21:50
  Speaker 3: College jock at Old miss playing Division one tennis. I
• 21:54
  Speaker 3: was a debater at Princeton. I mean, there's got to.
• 21:56
  Speaker 2: Bring some of the table you know, I bring that,
• 21:58
  Speaker 2: You bring the smarts.
• 21:59
  Speaker 1: Everybody went.
• 22:00
  Speaker 3: Look, I just appreciate in the entire course of our friendship,
• 22:03
  Speaker 3: you've never once given me a wedgie. You haven't given
• 22:05
  Speaker 3: me a noggie, and you haven't stuffed me in the Locker.
• 22:07
  Speaker 3: So I'm glad of that. But look, I promise Zuckerberg
• 22:11
  Speaker 3: has gotten all three of those and so I can
• 22:15
  Speaker 3: talk to people who are geeks, because that's the world.
• 22:18
  Speaker 4: I come from.
• 22:21
  Speaker 5: You know.
• 22:21
  Speaker 3: I will say this, when we had this dinner, and
• 22:23
  Speaker 3: this was years ago, I do think he was intellectually
• 22:28
  Speaker 3: trying to struggle through and think through this issues. I
• 22:32
  Speaker 3: don't think Zuckerberg is a hard lefty someone like Jack Dorsey.
• 22:36
  Speaker 3: I've never met Jack Dorsey, but the old CEO of Twitter, Yeah,
• 22:39
  Speaker 3: you knew he was. I've had him testify and I've
• 22:42
  Speaker 3: questioned him in hearings. Everything about Jack Dorsey screamed hard lefty.
• 22:47
  Speaker 3: I don't think that's what Zuckerberg is. Does he lean
• 22:50
  Speaker 3: left of center?
• 22:51
  Speaker 4: Yes, but.
• 22:55
  Speaker 3: It was interesting on the free speech issues. So he's
• 22:58
  Speaker 3: actually in the world to free speech. He's given some
• 23:01
  Speaker 3: speeches saying, gosh, tech should protect free speech.
• 23:05
  Speaker 4: Now. Facebook has been terrible on this.
• 23:07
  Speaker 3: They suppressed the Hunter laptop, the Hunter Biden laptop. They
• 23:12
  Speaker 3: suppressed speech about COVID. They aggressively suppressed any discussion about
• 23:19
  Speaker 3: the COVID virus origin coming from the Wuhan Institute of Rology,
• 23:24
  Speaker 3: which I will note this podcast covered before just about
• 23:28
  Speaker 3: any other place in the world. Multiple times we laid
• 23:31
  Speaker 3: out the facts for it on Verdict. But it was
• 23:35
  Speaker 3: interesting in talking with Zuckerbrand. I don't know him well,
• 23:38
  Speaker 3: but you know, three three and a half hour dinner,
• 23:41
  Speaker 3: he was someone intellectually trying to figure out what the
• 23:44
  Speaker 3: right answer is. And in his general approach, he would
• 23:48
  Speaker 3: point to number one Twitter and he'd be like, oh,
• 23:50
  Speaker 3: they're worse than we are. And by the way, when
• 23:53
  Speaker 3: Dorsey was CEO, he was right, and he would point
• 23:55
  Speaker 3: to number two Google and they're bigger and more powerful
• 23:58
  Speaker 3: and more dangerous than they are. He was number two,
• 24:01
  Speaker 3: write on that, and then number three point to TikTok
• 24:04
  Speaker 3: and they're Chinese commies and he was right in that,
• 24:07
  Speaker 3: And so it was the sort of thing Facebook kind.
• 24:10
  Speaker 2: Of benefit its me, look at everybody else. But so
• 24:13
  Speaker 2: then that brings up this question. How much of do
• 24:16
  Speaker 2: you think this letter could have been connected to the
• 24:18
  Speaker 2: fact that we've seen the pendulum swing so much with
• 24:23
  Speaker 2: a cell of Twitter and Dorsey losing that to Elon Musk,
• 24:27
  Speaker 2: who is all about free speech.
• 24:30
  Speaker 3: I think significantly, And you and I have talked about.
• 24:32
  Speaker 3: I think the fact that Elon Musk bought Twitter was
• 24:35
  Speaker 3: the single most important development for free speech in decades,
• 24:39
  Speaker 3: change the terrain of media. So Facebook is feeling pressure
• 24:43
  Speaker 3: to be a greater free speech forum because Twitter is
• 24:48
  Speaker 3: I think, the most important free speech forum in the
• 24:50
  Speaker 3: world right now. But I also think, and I can't
• 24:56
  Speaker 3: overstate this, look I talked to a lot of people
• 24:58
  Speaker 3: in the tech world. I think Zuckerberg is pissed at
• 25:04
  Speaker 3: the totalitarian lefties who he's sort of tried to cozy
• 25:07
  Speaker 3: up to, and they've taken his money and kind of
• 25:13
  Speaker 3: crapped all over him. That's an interesting moment. It's just
• 25:18
  Speaker 3: an interesting inflection moment. So I am angry about what
• 25:23
  Speaker 3: Facebook did in twenty twenty, and I'm going to continue
• 25:26
  Speaker 3: to lay that out at length. That being said, I'm
• 25:30
  Speaker 3: a big believer in redemption, so I will welcome Zuckerberg, Mark,
• 25:35
  Speaker 3: if you want to defend free speech, if you want
• 25:38
  Speaker 3: to be a champion of free speech, I want to
• 25:40
  Speaker 3: give an invitation to Mark Zuckerberg be an even bigger
• 25:44
  Speaker 3: defender of free speech than Elon Musk, because, by the way,
• 25:47
  Speaker 3: competition would be awesome. If Facebook steps forward and says
• 25:50
  Speaker 3: we will be a forum for free.
• 25:52
  Speaker 4: Speech x can you match.
• 25:55
  Speaker 3: That's even better because competition will make both better, and
• 25:59
  Speaker 3: so I don't want some conservatives are responding to this
• 26:02
  Speaker 3: letter by just beating Zuckerberg over the head with a stick.
• 26:05
  Speaker 4: I think that's a mistake.
• 26:06
  Speaker 3: If you want to come into the light, come into
• 26:08
  Speaker 3: the light, we welcome you. If you will embrace free speech,
• 26:12
  Speaker 3: that's good for America and good for the world.
• 26:15
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's an interesting perspective, certainly because mine was more cynical, like, Okay,
• 26:19
  Speaker 2: he's just hedging his bets, as I mentioned, with the
• 26:21
  Speaker 2: election coming up, and if it is different than that,
• 26:25
  Speaker 2: you're right. Welcome him in and say welcome to the
• 26:28
  Speaker 2: club where we may disagree on issues, but let everyone
• 26:31
  Speaker 2: have a voice and don't pick winners and losers when
• 26:34
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  Speaker 2: Kamala Harris has come out and now flip flopped on.
• 28:53
  Speaker 1: The border wall issue.
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  Speaker 2: She is one that said she would never, okay never
• 29:01
  Speaker 2: ever support building a wall, and I'm going to play
• 29:06
  Speaker 2: it because I think people should hear. This is her
• 29:08
  Speaker 2: in her own words in Des Moines, Iowa.
• 29:11
  Speaker 5: Let me be very clear, I'm not going to vote
• 29:12
  Speaker 5: for a wall under any circumstances. And I do support
• 29:15
  Speaker 5: border security, and if we want to talk about that,
• 29:17
  Speaker 5: let's do that.
• 29:18
  Speaker 2: But I will never support a wall under any circumstances. Now,
• 29:23
  Speaker 2: the polling data is not looking good for her on
• 29:26
  Speaker 2: security at the border, and she's like, Okay, I guess
• 29:29
  Speaker 2: I might be in favor of wall, even putting out
• 29:31
  Speaker 2: an ad that shows Donald Trump's wall in her ad.
• 29:34
  Speaker 3: Well, the single greatest vulnerability to Kamala Harrison Democrats nationally
• 29:39
  Speaker 3: is the open borders they've had for four years. It
• 29:41
  Speaker 3: is the number one issue voters are concerned about. We're
• 29:44
  Speaker 3: seeing an invasion at our southern border, eleven point five
• 29:46
  Speaker 3: million illegal immigrants. People are seeing the death, the suffering,
• 29:51
  Speaker 3: the children being brutalized, the women being sexually assaulted. People
• 29:54
  Speaker 3: are seeing the criminals being released who are murdering Americans,
• 29:57
  Speaker 3: who are raping women, who are assaulting kids. People are
• 30:00
  Speaker 3: seeing the risk of terrorism coming across the southern border,
• 30:03
  Speaker 3: and they're very unhappy. So the Democrats are looking at
• 30:06
  Speaker 3: the same poll numbers we are. They realize, gosh, this
• 30:09
  Speaker 3: is a vulnerability. Now, mind you, They're not willing to
• 30:11
  Speaker 3: change their policies. They still want another eleven million, another
• 30:15
  Speaker 3: twenty million, another thirty million league immigrants to come into
• 30:18
  Speaker 3: this country because they view them all as future Democrat voters.
• 30:20
  Speaker 3: They want to stay in power. But we've got sixty
• 30:23
  Speaker 3: nine days to election day, and so in the sixty
• 30:25
  Speaker 3: nine days to election day, they will say whatever whatever
• 30:28
  Speaker 3: they feel they can to convince the voters to elect
• 30:31
  Speaker 3: Kamala Harris, and after which she will go hard left
• 30:34
  Speaker 3: and continue to destroy this country. Now we saw at
• 30:38
  Speaker 3: the outset of her campaign. By the way, she's been
• 30:41
  Speaker 3: the presumptive Democrat nominee for over a month, she's done
• 30:45
  Speaker 3: zero interviews, no press conferences, no questions. They put her
• 30:49
  Speaker 3: in front of a teleprompter, she reads the teleprompter, They
• 30:53
  Speaker 3: tackle her, they throw her back in Joe Biden's basement.
• 30:55
  Speaker 3: They say shut up and please don't say anything. The
• 30:58
  Speaker 3: first major policy provision she came out for was no
• 31:03
  Speaker 3: taxes on tips. That was literally a proposal Donald Trump
• 31:06
  Speaker 3: rolled out in Nevada. It's a proposal, by the way,
• 31:08
  Speaker 3: that I introduced in the Senate. I introduced it, the
• 31:10
  Speaker 3: no Taxes on Tips legislation. When I introduced it, both
• 31:14
  Speaker 3: Democrat senators from Nevada co sponsored my legislation. And there's
• 31:18
  Speaker 3: a reason for that, which is twenty five percent of
• 31:20
  Speaker 3: the workers in Nevada are tipped workers. And so both
• 31:22
  Speaker 3: Democrats immediately sponsored my legislation. Kamala came out and suddenly
• 31:27
  Speaker 3: had this crazy idea. Hey, no taxes on tips. So
• 31:29
  Speaker 3: that was where she started. She is now gone. So
• 31:33
  Speaker 3: she also said this week she is not for an
• 31:36
  Speaker 3: EV mandate. Suddenly she loves her some internal combustion engine.
• 31:40
  Speaker 3: No electric vehicle mandate, just keep your car. Never mind.
• 31:45
  Speaker 3: For the last four years of Joe Biden and Kamala Harris,
• 31:47
  Speaker 3: they have been pushing an EV mandate date on every front.
• 31:50
  Speaker 3: They've been trying to ban the internal combustion engine. They've
• 31:52
  Speaker 3: been using regulatory assaults in every front. None of that exists.
• 31:56
  Speaker 3: As Obi Wan Kenobi said, these are not the drones
• 31:58
  Speaker 3: you're looking for. Do not pay attention to anything Kamala
• 32:02
  Speaker 3: Harris and Joe Biden have done. Listen instead to the
• 32:05
  Speaker 3: nonsense they're spewing sixty nine days before the election. But
• 32:09
  Speaker 3: this truly is the one that is is the cherry
• 32:12
  Speaker 3: on the top of the banana. Sunday, let me read
• 32:15
  Speaker 3: the headline from Axios quote Harris flip flops on building
• 32:20
  Speaker 3: the border wall. If she's elected president. Kamala Harris pledges
• 32:24
  Speaker 3: to spend hundreds of millions of dollars on a wall
• 32:27
  Speaker 3: along the Southern border, a project she once opposed it
• 32:31
  Speaker 3: and called un American during the Trump administration. By the way,
• 32:36
  Speaker 3: I'm going to break news right now, and this may
• 32:38
  Speaker 3: not be news, you know, but next week I am
• 32:41
  Speaker 3: reliably told from leaks within the White House that Kamala
• 32:44
  Speaker 3: Harris plans to dye her hair blonde, dye her skin orange,
• 32:49
  Speaker 3: and buy enormously long red ties and wear only those
• 32:53
  Speaker 3: in public appearances.
• 32:54
  Speaker 2: And you got to add, Beyonce's going to be in
• 32:56
  Speaker 2: there with her doing the same thing, right, because if
• 32:58
  Speaker 2: we're going to start rumors, whom as we go back
• 33:00
  Speaker 2: to that one to get people excited.
• 33:02
  Speaker 3: But by the way, Beyonce is going to be blonde
• 33:04
  Speaker 3: and also with orange skin.
• 33:08
  Speaker 1: I love it.
• 33:10
  Speaker 3: Listen, I want to go back. I want you to
• 33:13
  Speaker 3: listen to a montage that Martha McCallum put together on
• 33:16
  Speaker 3: Fox of Kamala's prior positions on the wall, because this
• 33:20
  Speaker 3: is Look, there's a Yiddish word, juspa, that doesn't even
• 33:24
  Speaker 3: begin to capture what Kamala Harris has claimed that she's
• 33:27
  Speaker 3: going to build.
• 33:27
  Speaker 4: The wall is. Now listen to this axious.
• 33:31
  Speaker 6: News calling out Vice President Harris's quote flip flop on
• 33:34
  Speaker 6: the border wall. Here is some of what she has
• 33:37
  Speaker 6: said in the past.
• 33:38
  Speaker 1: Watch.
• 33:39
  Speaker 5: I'm all for increased border security where we need it.
• 33:42
  Speaker 1: I am not for a wall.
• 33:44
  Speaker 5: I specialize on transnational criminal orgnisations.
• 33:47
  Speaker 1: That wall, I'm going to stop them.
• 33:49
  Speaker 7: No, no, okay.
• 34:01
  Speaker 6: But last week Harris said that she supports the bipartisan
• 34:05
  Speaker 6: border bill, which includes requiring the Trump border wall. According
• 34:11
  Speaker 6: to its negotiators, Oxyo is reporting that Tim Harris says
• 34:14
  Speaker 6: that the bill doesn't include new wall funding, it just
• 34:18
  Speaker 6: extends the timeline to spend funds appropriated during the Trump administration.
• 34:24
  Speaker 6: So we hope we'll hear directly from the candidate to
• 34:27
  Speaker 6: clear that up in an interview, which we would love
• 34:30
  Speaker 6: to see over the next several days.
• 34:32
  Speaker 2: By the way, the interview is now going to be
• 34:34
  Speaker 2: a joint interview, apparently on CNN, where she doesn't have
• 34:37
  Speaker 2: to worry about babbling so much because the VP will
• 34:40
  Speaker 2: be there with their candidate, which still makes me laugh.
• 34:44
  Speaker 2: That's her first interview, But we have no policies, decisions.
• 34:47
  Speaker 1: It's just sold.
• 34:48
  Speaker 4: Ben.
• 34:48
  Speaker 3: Let me ask you something, so, Ben, you have been
• 34:52
  Speaker 3: following politics closely since you were like in the womb. Yeah,
• 34:57
  Speaker 3: and it's your birthday. So like in the womb was
• 34:59
  Speaker 3: for three.
• 35:00
  Speaker 1: Years, you're going numbers.
• 35:04
  Speaker 3: I'm digging this in forty three years. Do you know
• 35:09
  Speaker 3: of a single instance ever, And I'm asking this comprehensively in.
• 35:13
  Speaker 4: Forty three years where.
• 35:15
  Speaker 3: A presidential candidate was so terrified to do an interview
• 35:20
  Speaker 3: on their own that they demanded their VP candidate be
• 35:23
  Speaker 3: with there with them.
• 35:24
  Speaker 2: Yeah, bring a buddy with you, right, No, I've never
• 35:27
  Speaker 2: seen that. But what's even more weird. It's weird, but
• 35:30
  Speaker 2: it's even more shocking then, is we had a convention.
• 35:34
  Speaker 2: And if you go to her website right now, because
• 35:36
  Speaker 2: I check it every day when I'm doing my show,
• 35:38
  Speaker 2: no policy. There is still no policy tabs on her
• 35:41
  Speaker 2: damn website.
• 35:42
  Speaker 3: There's no taxes on tips and building a wall and
• 35:46
  Speaker 3: protect the internal combustion engine. Yeah, and the same wall
• 35:50
  Speaker 3: that it's not actually on the website for the fact
• 35:52
  Speaker 3: checkers there. That's just the policy she's rolling out. But
• 35:55
  Speaker 3: she has no policies on her website.
• 35:57
  Speaker 2: Well, and that's the port I think that Axis was
• 35:59
  Speaker 2: trying to get at, is like, give me a break.
• 36:01
  Speaker 2: I mean, Kamala Harris, if you go back.
• 36:04
  Speaker 4: And by the way, Axios is not a right wing website.
• 36:07
  Speaker 3: It is a center left media organizations. It's not one
• 36:11
  Speaker 3: of the most left wing organizations, but it's not conservative. No,
• 36:16
  Speaker 3: and they're pointing out, are you friggin kidding me? Like
• 36:19
  Speaker 3: this is what she's saying.
• 36:21
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and let's go back to what she called the wall,
• 36:24
  Speaker 2: which she's now using parts of the wall visually in
• 36:27
  Speaker 2: her ads.
• 36:27
  Speaker 5: Listen, we don't need to build a wall. This is
• 36:30
  Speaker 5: a crisis of his own making. And by definition does
• 36:34
  Speaker 5: planes speak basic English language definition, it is not an emergency.
• 36:39
  Speaker 5: What's going to end up happening is that he will
• 36:43
  Speaker 5: end up without any question if he proceeds. We're going
• 36:47
  Speaker 5: to be looking at a situation where, in particular, homeowners
• 36:49
  Speaker 5: and landowners in places like New Mexico and Texas are
• 36:53
  Speaker 5: probably going to look at government taking their land. We're
• 36:57
  Speaker 5: looking at military resources being focused again on the president's
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  Speaker 5: vanity project instead of focused on real national security issues.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, she says it's a vanity project and it's
• 37:09
  Speaker 2: not a crisis and we don't need it, and everybody
• 37:12
  Speaker 2: this Donald Trump is the idiot. I'm the brilliant one.
• 37:16
  Speaker 2: She said this for years, and now she's using Trump's
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  Speaker 2: wall as like as a prop for her own campaign.
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  Speaker 3: Listen, I serve for years on the Senate Judiciary Committee
• 37:27
  Speaker 3: with Kamala Harris one hundred percent of the time, without exception.
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  Speaker 4: She was hard left.
• 37:34
  Speaker 3: As the non partisan bill tracking organization guv TRAC raided her,
• 37:38
  Speaker 3: she was the single most liberal senator in the entire
• 37:41
  Speaker 3: US Senate. She voted to the left of Bernie Sanders,
• 37:43
  Speaker 3: to the left of Elizabeth Warren. She has never, once
• 37:47
  Speaker 3: in any hearing I've been in, expressed any concern with
• 37:52
  Speaker 3: securing the border. She is always, always, always sighted on
• 37:55
  Speaker 3: side of illial aliens, of the cartels, of the human traffickers,
• 37:59
  Speaker 3: of the drugs mugglers. In fact, in one hearing with
• 38:03
  Speaker 3: the head of ICE, the Immigration and Customs Enforcement she
• 38:06
  Speaker 3: analogized ICE agents to the ku Klux Klan, which is grotesque,
• 38:11
  Speaker 3: it is offensive. And so now when she's pretending she
• 38:16
  Speaker 3: will secure the border, she has been in charge of
• 38:19
  Speaker 3: the border for the last four years. She has been
• 38:22
  Speaker 3: the borders are as much as the media is trying
• 38:25
  Speaker 3: to erase that those are the facts.
• 38:28
  Speaker 4: She wanted.
• 38:28
  Speaker 3: This outcome, this invasion, is her desired outcome, and if
• 38:33
  Speaker 3: God forbid, she gets elected president eleven and a half
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  Speaker 3: million is going to become twenty million or even thirty
• 38:38
  Speaker 3: million illegal immigrants.
• 38:40
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's it's truly astounding. And Kama Harris on the
• 38:44
  Speaker 2: border over the years. It's twenty seventeen. I go back,
• 38:47
  Speaker 2: she was asking taxpayers to pay for a border wall.
• 38:50
  Speaker 2: She said it was quote a terrible idea. She said
• 38:54
  Speaker 2: Trump's border wall was stupid in eighteen. In nineteen, she
• 38:58
  Speaker 2: said funding Trump's unrealistic border wall would be a gross
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  Speaker 2: misuse of taxpayer dollars. And that is where she's always been.
• 39:07
  Speaker 2: But now it's election season, let's rewrite history of the past.
• 39:10
  Speaker 1: And I don't know. Now she's tough on the border.
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  Speaker 2: I want to ask you it finally came out that
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  Speaker 2: she's gonna do an interview. We mentioned a moment ago
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  Speaker 2: on CNN, but she's gonna do it with someone holding
• 41:31
  Speaker 2: her hand. That is the VP that's gonna change the
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  Speaker 2: dynamic of the interview. It's gonna be more I think,
• 41:38
  Speaker 2: like propaganda. That's why they're agreeing to this, because like,
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  Speaker 2: let's talk about how amazing you two are and your
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  Speaker 2: relationship and how excited you are. It's not gonna get
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  Speaker 2: into the policy stuff. That's what drives me nuts about
• 41:53
  Speaker 2: the fact that they're even calling this an interview.
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  Speaker 1: It's not, it's propaganda.
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  Speaker 3: Well, let me say several points this. Number One, the
• 42:01
  Speaker 3: Kamala Harris campaign spent weeks. I mean it's been I
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  Speaker 3: think thirty seven days since she was the presumptive dominee.
• 42:08
  Speaker 3: They've done zero interviews, they've done zero press conferences. The
• 42:12
  Speaker 3: last couple of weeks, they've been feeling out different media
• 42:14
  Speaker 3: outlets saying, Hey, who wants to do the first interview?
• 42:17
  Speaker 3: Because I guess we can't go all the way to
• 42:20
  Speaker 3: election day without doing interviews, So we're going to do one.
• 42:23
  Speaker 3: Who's willing to throw us the most softballs, who's willing
• 42:25
  Speaker 3: to give us the most gentle format imaginable? And it
• 42:29
  Speaker 3: turns out Ding Ding Ding Winter Chicken Dinner CNN step forward.
• 42:35
  Speaker 3: So there are several questions. Number One, it is astonishing
• 42:40
  Speaker 3: that the interview is not Kamala Harris, but it's Kamala
• 42:42
  Speaker 3: Harris and Tim Waltz, and presumably Tim Waltz is sitting
• 42:44
  Speaker 3: there so if that Kamala is screwing up, Tim Waltz
• 42:47
  Speaker 3: can step in and try to bail her.
• 42:49
  Speaker 1: Out.
• 42:50
  Speaker 3: I have never seen in my life. I'm ten years
• 42:53
  Speaker 3: older than you are, I'm fifty three. I have never
• 42:56
  Speaker 3: once seen a presidential candidate who was so week that
• 43:01
  Speaker 3: he or she needed their vice presidential candidate as a
• 43:05
  Speaker 3: safety blanket. That is bizarre. Can you imagine I'm just
• 43:08
  Speaker 3: just just think back a little bit. Can you imagine
• 43:12
  Speaker 3: Donald Trump saying I need Mike Pence there? Yeah, like
• 43:16
  Speaker 3: it's it's unimaginable. Can you imagine Hillary Clinton saying I
• 43:20
  Speaker 3: need Tim Caine there? Can you imagine Barack Obama saying
• 43:23
  Speaker 3: I need Joe Biden there? Can Can you imagine Ronald
• 43:26
  Speaker 3: Reagan saying I need George Bush there? Like it is?
• 43:30
  Speaker 3: You can go back? Can you imagine George Washington saying
• 43:34
  Speaker 3: I need John Adams there?
• 43:36
  Speaker 7: Like?
• 43:37
  Speaker 3: It is a bizarre thing for a presidential candidate to
• 43:41
  Speaker 3: be so weak that they need someone to hold their hand.
• 43:44
  Speaker 3: But secondly, this is a pre taped interview. They're gonna
• 43:50
  Speaker 3: pretape it.
• 43:51
  Speaker 2: Hold on to say that again, because I think people
• 43:53
  Speaker 2: don't understand that.
• 43:54
  Speaker 1: Say that again. That's a very important data point here.
• 43:58
  Speaker 3: This is a pre taped interview. They're gonna pretape it.
• 44:03
  Speaker 3: And then CNN is going to edit it. And I believe,
• 44:07
  Speaker 3: and I think many Americans believe CNN is gonna edit it.
• 44:10
  Speaker 3: So if and when Kamala says things that are dumb,
• 44:13
  Speaker 3: if and when she says some word salad, if and
• 44:15
  Speaker 3: when there's a moment that's bad, they'll cut it right
• 44:18
  Speaker 3: out that Like, like I have to ask, does CNN
• 44:23
  Speaker 3: and you worked what seven years is?
• 44:26
  Speaker 1: In hell?
• 44:26
  Speaker 3: Yes, do they have anywhere in that institution a tiny
• 44:32
  Speaker 3: shred of journalistic integrity? If CNN did, here's what CNN
• 44:37
  Speaker 3: should do.
• 44:38
  Speaker 4: Say.
• 44:39
  Speaker 3: We will release the entirety of the interview. We're gonna
• 44:41
  Speaker 3: put out every word of it. We're not going to
• 44:44
  Speaker 3: edit it. We're gonna put it all out. That's actually
• 44:47
  Speaker 3: what a real journalistic outlet would do. We're not going
• 44:51
  Speaker 3: to do a package that is a promo piece for
• 44:55
  Speaker 3: the for the Harris campaign. We're going to release, We're
• 44:58
  Speaker 3: gonna ask questions and release what she actually says, not
• 45:03
  Speaker 3: editing out the bad stuff and only including the good stuff.
• 45:06
  Speaker 2: Well, and this goes back to CNN's I think desperation
• 45:11
  Speaker 2: to get the interview. They were willing to they were
• 45:14
  Speaker 2: willing to basically do whatever it took. And so I
• 45:18
  Speaker 2: think the deal was and again, knowing how this works
• 45:22
  Speaker 2: behind the scenes, Hey, we want this thing to be
• 45:25
  Speaker 2: not live, we want it to be Taylor.
• 45:27
  Speaker 3: Were begging, they were gravely. They were conceding that will
• 45:30
  Speaker 3: give you whatever, you will be.
• 45:31
  Speaker 1: Whatever you want.
• 45:32
  Speaker 2: Just give us the interview, give us the interview. Okay,
• 45:34
  Speaker 2: well now we also want the VP to be with her. Okay, great,
• 45:36
  Speaker 2: what else do you need from us? And because if
• 45:39
  Speaker 2: you look at just data live interviews that you can
• 45:43
  Speaker 2: promote as by the way, the last big interview Kamala did.
• 45:47
  Speaker 3: The last big interview Kamala did was with Lester Holt. Yeah,
• 45:51
  Speaker 3: and Lester Holt asked to actually asked her some real
• 45:55
  Speaker 3: questions as she looked like an imbecile. He pointed out
• 45:58
  Speaker 3: that she had not been to the southern border, she'd
• 46:01
  Speaker 3: not been to the Rio Grande Valley, and she like
• 46:03
  Speaker 3: it was a disaster. It's striking that even as biased
• 46:07
  Speaker 3: as the big networks are, they wanted more. They wanted
• 46:11
  Speaker 3: make sure you will protect her. But here's the question
• 46:14
  Speaker 3: I want to close this podcast on. You know Dana Bash.
• 46:18
  Speaker 3: I know Dana well, I've probably done a dozen interviews
• 46:21
  Speaker 3: with Dana. She has now what is the biggest interview
• 46:26
  Speaker 3: of her career? What does Dana Bash do to not
• 46:32
  Speaker 3: be a laughingstock, to not be a patsy and simply
• 46:38
  Speaker 3: a spokesperson for the.
• 46:41
  Speaker 4: Kamala Harris campaign.
• 46:42
  Speaker 3: Dana, recently she's been on air saying Kamala was never
• 46:46
  Speaker 3: the borders are. She was never the borders are. So
• 46:47
  Speaker 3: Dana has not been helping herself by giving those talking points.
• 46:52
  Speaker 3: But I got to say, look, Dana, there's got to
• 46:55
  Speaker 3: be a part of her somewhere that desires to be
• 46:58
  Speaker 3: a real journalist. What does she do to not go
• 47:02
  Speaker 3: down in history as a total stooge.
• 47:04
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a great question. I don't know if it's
• 47:07
  Speaker 2: just pure sellout. No matter what you got the interview,
• 47:10
  Speaker 2: you play by the rules and you act like you
• 47:12
  Speaker 2: accomplished something. When the interview's over and you're all glad
• 47:14
  Speaker 2: and each other and go, that was so great. That
• 47:16
  Speaker 2: was amazing, great interview. And how do you sleep at night?
• 47:20
  Speaker 2: I guess you just cast that scene in check and
• 47:22
  Speaker 2: you say, oh, it'll be fine. And look, I don't
• 47:25
  Speaker 2: think any of her.
• 47:26
  Speaker 3: Is that your prediction then that she totally rolls over
• 47:29
  Speaker 3: because any difficult question, I mean I mean, you know her,
• 47:31
  Speaker 3: I'm asking.
• 47:32
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, as a very I don't.
• 47:34
  Speaker 3: Know the answer. I'm not trying to feed you the answer.
• 47:36
  Speaker 3: I'm asking you legitimate no.
• 47:37
  Speaker 1: I look, I've watched her.
• 47:39
  Speaker 2: When i've watched her, we were on set together when
• 47:42
  Speaker 2: Bernie Sanders was running, for example, when she was tough
• 47:44
  Speaker 2: on Bernie, but that was because they wanted Bernie out.
• 47:47
  Speaker 2: And so if she's all in for Harris, which I
• 47:51
  Speaker 2: believe that she absolutely is, and I don't think there's
• 47:54
  Speaker 2: anybody that judges her selling out in this interview because
• 47:59
  Speaker 2: all the members of the media, the mainstream media, of
• 48:01
  Speaker 2: the liberal media, they're all in this together.
• 48:04
  Speaker 1: So you're not judged by your peers.
• 48:07
  Speaker 2: I do think back in the day, whether it was
• 48:09
  Speaker 2: Kronkite or broke Call, or or or Jinnings, like if
• 48:13
  Speaker 2: you did a tie or tim Reser, if you did
• 48:16
  Speaker 2: a crappy interview, there were people around you that judged you.
• 48:21
  Speaker 2: And you were walking around and people are whispering about
• 48:24
  Speaker 2: like what a sellout?
• 48:25
  Speaker 1: Did you see? How pathetic that was?
• 48:27
  Speaker 3: There's not a tiny and maybe naively hopeful statement, danna
• 48:33
  Speaker 3: prove the naysayers wrong, do a real interview.
• 48:37
  Speaker 4: And then don't edit the damn thing show the real answers.
• 48:40
  Speaker 1: I hope that happens.
• 48:41
  Speaker 2: I really do, and it's and the sad part is
• 48:44
  Speaker 2: you shouldn't have to encourage a real journalist to do
• 48:47
  Speaker 2: their damn job. But here we are. Don't forget. We
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