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He's going to hope it's going to like, you know, blow him up and
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become the new, you know, Disneyland.
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Yeah. Yeah.
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That that's really doesn't work out.
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Does it the ground? Well, maybe a little
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Hello everyone. Welcome to the Arctic costume
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blogcast. It is me Spencer Williams.
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Thank you so much for joining me, for part, two of my
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conversation with costume designer.
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Alex bovard. Today, we are going to be
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talking about Jordan. Peels new film.
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Nope. It is so good.
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I've seen It twice now and I'm probably going to go in for
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third time. Is that good?
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The costume design is incredible.
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The film is horrifying. You all know how I feel about.
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I have a monkey phobia, let's just put it plain and simple.
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So does Gordy seems really scared the life out of me.
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I'm still shaking, but before we dive into it, let me give you a
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quick summary and then we'll dive behind a wardrobe.
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Nope, is about two siblings. Who run a California horse
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ranch, discover something. Are full and Sinister in the
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skies above while the owner of an adjacent theme park, tries to
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profit from a mysterious otherworldly phenomena and that
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is, nope, going behind a wardrobe.
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This is brought To Us by writer and director, Jordan, Peele, a
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legend. I love this, man.
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He is so incredible. And of course we have costume
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designer, Alex bovard, her notable work, the White Lotus.
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If you did not hear our part one that came out, just A couple
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days ago, please listen to that as soon as this episode is done.
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She also did bad education, the unforgivable, The Spy, Who
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dumped me, the Foreigner and sorry for your loss.
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So let's dive back into our conversation with Alex about the
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costumes of note. Hello.
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Only make sure to check out the Correction for a link to our
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patreon. I'm so excited to have Alex
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bovard back. We, this is our first actually,
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outside will be our first two parter episode.
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Never have we ever done an episode of be like, we have two
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things to talk about this week. So, congrats a twofer.
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This is one we love to fizzing costumes turned inside out.
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What It's invention sodanope come before or after the White
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Lotus. So, nope, happens directly after
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the White Lotus, I had a feeling and that is insane.
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What a crazy change of pace. I must imagine.
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Yeah absolutely. I preferred the weather on White
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Lotus was filmed and like near Lancaster sort of an hour from
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LA and It was hot, wasn't it? August and September this
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summer? I feel I'm not there now but I
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feel like the summer is better but last summer was just brutal
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and because of all the stunts and helicopter shots, there
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wasn't a lot of places for us to stand and get shade.
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Yeah, I mean it's 90 degrees today and I'm not in Lancaster
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but I'm, you know, I'm an hour like 110 115.
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The time if it was 90 degrees, it felt cool.
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Yeah, that's terrible. But I love this movie, I'm a big
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fan of the Jordan Peele films. Us is one of my favorite movies.
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Constant design, might can bear it get out costume.
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Design mine, adding haters. And now we have no costume
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design by Alex bovard. What does it feel like to be a
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part of this Legacy? I guess of these new Jordan
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Peele films are really taking the world.
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Old. I couldn't be happier that the
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film is being received very, very well.
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And I'm very proud of working with Jordan and grateful that
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the opportunity came my way because it was, it was very,
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very particular, very it, very his way of working is very
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collaborative, very kind of evolved a lot as you go.
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And he's a super nice guy. Super funny really lovely to
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work with. And yeah, it's just been a real
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privilege to to work with with someone who's got such a
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authentic, and singular, and original voice.
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There was it was, it was great. That's so exciting.
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Get as we said in the last episode, I was finishing, the
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White Lotus and booking my ticket for.
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Nope. At the same time and your name
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came up again. I was like, what?
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But like she's everywhere and so, it's so crazy that were
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talking about this. Okay, let's talk about the
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characters. I Kiki, Palmer's character M or
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Emerald, I was obsessed of her costumes, she, it just brings so
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much joy to this movie even though it's a really deeply to
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me, scary film but also very mysterious and has a lot of
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impactful messages behind it too.
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But every time Keke Palmer is on Screen.
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You kind of smile a little bit even when things are going
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really wrong, let's dive into our costumes.
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That's it's all very fun. I love her.
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The First costume, we see her end that like green with the
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cheetah print look and the pink. She's not afraid to play with
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color. She is not an and she is indeed
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an electrifying personality key and then also, you know,
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diffused into her character emerald and we thought a lot
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about About that first costume. She actually does a bit cut out
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of the movie. She wakes up.
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She's she wakes up on Hollywood Boulevard.
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She's homeless. Oh wow!
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Yeah. So you'd and yeah so so she she
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has like a big coat on that she's sleeping in and then she
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leaves that. And then you cut to where she's
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where she where you meet her now, we wanted to start strong
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with the color. We always loved green and pink
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together. I've got another fan of Pink.
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So you I remember seeing the Nutcracker when I was when I was
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little and just loving the production I saw was full of
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green and pink and I just love that that ballet combination
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ever since. So we got it in there with with
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and we liked green emerald green, there's lots of she's
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called Emerald because of the Wizard of Oz and the Emerald
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City. And so we put green on her
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Jordan wanted. At her to have like, a flash of
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green here and there being a mom and I love that she's against a
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green screen to when we first see her to like, clearly she
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just didn't know what she was running into planning, you know,
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and do that. You know, it was another little
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almost, like an inside joke because you'd never do that in
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costumes. No, but Jordan was like no,
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that's exactly why she should be wearing.
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I was like, okay, I guess we never knew we'd have, we'd never
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seen it before. So green, right?
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Green on green and then we I noticed there's a lot of graphic
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t-shirts used throughout the film and she's wearing one
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particularly that I love, it's like this cartoon.
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Coyote look that looks really familiar to me and I can't put
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my finger on it but it is so cool.
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I need it. It's it's a wolf and it's a band
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t-shirt by a band called the Jesus Lizard.
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So I was looking for band T-shirts because the conceit is
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that she's wearing Angels clothes.
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At that point, right? It's another thing.
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That's not explicit that. I think Jordan likes you to pick
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up on after a while. Is that why she suddenly wearing
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this? You know, random t-shirt.
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Yeah. Well I'll talk about that later
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but I noticed that because they go through quite a night before
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they get dressed. So yeah.
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They go through a rainstorm and they were Way and some time has
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passed and they need some dry clothes.
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So so I found that T-shirt and I loved I was looking for bands
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that made sense for Angel to be listening to and this was in the
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same ballpark and then I loved that graphic.
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Had this weird Looney Tunes Vibe and this drooling sort of
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driving force that thought was really great for that particular
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moment. Ain't a little bit and I like to
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imagine it would also look good on Angel to if you were to wear
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it too. So it's kind of a cool
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characterization have to think about.
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Yeah, exactly. We had to imagine it was Angel's
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own garment and then I was so excited to see Daniel Kahlua
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come back for another Jordan Peele film.
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He kills it as o.j. His costumes are a bit more
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understated because he's, you know, he's working hard.
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He's not really dressing up. Like Keke Palmer is, but Found
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his look. So do really pack a punch.
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I am a big fan of the Scorpion King hoodie.
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I don't know why, but I remember seeing the Scorpion King and
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being one of the few people that love this movie.
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Now, I really want a scorpion king honey.
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I know I wish I had taken some and I could give you one.
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There were many, many Scorpion King hoodies, and it has a cult
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following. Like I think every choice has to
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be, has to mean a lot of things for Jordan.
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So we were coming up with titles had to make sense on a number of
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levels and then the color orange, I mean we wanted
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something bright was going to be neon at one point but we settled
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on this orange and over died it and did a lot of did a lot of
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work on it to try and make it look older and you know gets
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dirty its Dusty. The stunts yeah looks like it's
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from the you know, the early 2000s.
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I don't remember when Scorpion King came out, but it's been a
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while. So it looks like it's from the
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set. Yes, good.
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We tried to make it look that way and give it a lot of aging.
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And, you know, there's really nothing like a twenty-year-old
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hoodie than a 20 year old hoodie because they get hangs a
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different way. And you can work really hard on
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it and as much as you wanted, probably still not quite the
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right shape. But we we did really try.
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And the thing is that once you get out into the desert the
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everything gets so blown out. Anyway, remember the first few
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days, just looking at the Aging we did on some other stuff just
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going. Well, it's brand-new and we
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spend like a week aging it because the sun is so bright out
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there, right? Yeah.
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The Scorpion hoodie. I've got one, like I said, I
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wish I'd taken some more. Oh yeah.
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I mean me too, but it's okay. And he also is Being a graphic
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tee. That's a Rage Against the
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Machine t-shirt which is also angels.
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I believe always that angels yet.
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Yeah. Yeah.
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She's wearing her shirt. Yes, it's Angels.
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Yeah. It's the idea is that they both
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end up with some clothes of angels and also just another
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strong color. The Rage Against the Machine
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t-shirt says it's better to die on your feet that knows better
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than Fight on your feet than die on.
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Your knees is what it says. So it also seemed like apt for
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him for that moment where they're about to go back and do
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or die Take On The Entity. And yeah, I'm like I'm prone to
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the to the sort of alt-rock post-punk.
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Proto grunge era myself to so right time to buy expensive
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vintage t-shirts from the internet.
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That I can't really afford myself.
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Well, they really made the moment says so much about what
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these characters are going through lots of foreshadowing,
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their game ready to go to war. So, lots of fun, I am obsessed.
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If Brandon who plays Angel Torres, he starts off in his
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work uniform, actually, which is quite a bit funny reminded me of
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like Circuit City Radio Shack. I would say tell me about your
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costumes for Angel besides all the costumes, he lended to
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everybody. Yeah.
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Angel was fun. Hehe, Brandon is just a swell
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guy and really upbeat and it's funny the first switching we did
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with him. We made him pretty colorful.
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And you know, we always wanted this sort of kaleidoscopic
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colorful palette that set against the dusty natural.
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Location so that it was you know, visually arresting but
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also was like, we have imposed, you know, commerciality on the
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planet was multi-layered concept with wheat rice, like some
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colorful stuff on Angel and it just wasn't.
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It felt like he's kind of he's a bit of a cynical character and
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we pick him up in this Fry's Electronics and we wanted him to
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just be a little bit kind of kind of depressing instead.
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So we instead went a whole nother Direction and tried on,
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you know, his grungy t-shirts and kept him in a darker palette
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which was really nice. Now that I look at it balanced
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with the more colorful Emeril so our Kaleidoscope wasn't quite
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fully, wasn't quite as formed, but we had this sort of brooding
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over at all. Character to nail so it will it
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helped us to put them in black and kind of played off Brandon's
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natural chirping - and I just a quick mention to a remember
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Barbie was in the scene with Angel as well.
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That's that's to Euphoria girls in a row of White Lotus.
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And then nope what a weird coincidence.
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She's in some other scenes that got cut to.
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She also had a really cool graphic T really know a lot
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about graphic tears and reproducing them and aging them
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and multiplying them. Now she she's in a cool to see
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World teeth at the who may be in the extended version, you'll
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see, yeah, I'll look out for it. So the character I've really
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want to talk about State. Steven Yeun, as Ricky, Jupe
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Park, big Walking, Dead fans. So seeing Stephen in this was
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such a treat and his UFO. Costume is really magical.
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I'm obsessed with it. I cannot find any pictures of
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the back of it, so when you see it in theaters, he turns around
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a couple times. And I like, wow, that that's
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some good stuff. Right there, we have to talk
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about his suit. Yeah, he saw on the back of his
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red suit, he has a UFO embroidered onto it with them
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with a couple of those flowers as well.
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And flowers were supposed to represent the The the unfurling
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of the entity, which was always going to be something organic in
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Jordan talked about, oh my gosh, I didn't even notice that.
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Yeah, it was sort of a like octopus and jellyfish and you
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know, so it's sort of a little bit referencing that and then
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that he has the UFO on the back and the whole idea is that Jew
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is it's like a preview for his new attractions.
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He's invited friends and family and he's going through his sort
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of ringmaster routine of this is, you know, come on down to
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this, your traction. And so he puts on something
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pretty nuts and him and his wife, kind of have these modern
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cowboy, and modern cowgirl outfits that they're affecting
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and it's something he has specially made and he's
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rehearsing for what's going to He's going to hope it's going to
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like, you know, blow him up and become the new, you know,
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Disneyland. Yes.
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Yeah. That that's really doesn't work
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out. Does it?
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Well, maybe a little. Yeah, I love his, bolo ties, my
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good friend, who, you know, you've worked with to Mandy
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lion. She's always telling me to get
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into the bolo tie game. And this moment I was like okay
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maybe a little bit it's a cool. I think it's not, I love a tie
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on someone so it's just because it just makes them look so put
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together and handsome but the bolo tie has a nice little
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little touchy. Should give it a whirl.
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Yeah like the he was you know affecting this we play with the
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you know, a lot of American tropes so you know, country
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music Cowboy, you know, the old west, the gold rush.
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Everything's wrapped up into his theme park and you know
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subverted slightly because he's he's Asian so it was fun to do
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that and we always wanted to do something bold and almost didn't
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get the we almost put him in something completely different
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but and we kind of swung back around.
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Oh yeah I love it. I wasn't going to really talk
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about this but now I'm kind of dying to the tourist route
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Jupiter's claim. They're having a great time but
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now I'm looking at them, they feel like tourists, like I don't
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think they're from the LA area. They look like they're from just
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all over which is kind of cool but the costumes so that day so
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we dressed that they're like they theme park patrons.
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There have been invited to the fat friends and family opening
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night, but they have actually spent the day at the, at the
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kind of rinky-dink Jupiter's. Clean you know, attraction and
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so they're wearing like the kids have like bought our research
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showed that these at these places like Wild West City than
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the kids. Kind of dressup, they buy these
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little hats and versus and Calico Ghost Town, like it go
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like that or maybe they buy some stuff from the gift shop.
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So the kids have got some little Western elements to them and
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then the parents have just ridiculous.
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Shirt. More ridiculous.
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T-shirts that I found a love that weird emu and then the dad
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is wearing a universal monsters T-shirt.
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Oh that's cool. Got all the different monsters
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on Frankenstein's on the Dracula's on the yeah.
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The Emu sure is really catching my attention.
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I kind of want to actually it's really nice.
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It's just really like looks at camera right in the eye.
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Yeah. It's really nice.
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Now, that was staring at it, it's really spooky.
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We didn't have a lot of animal imagery because of the Gordy
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theme and the, you know, oh yeah.
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The UFO ends up being an animal or an entity, or Earth creature.
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So we kind of there's a lot of little Easter eggs in there that
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that don't make it in. But this one did, and at one
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point this family, they've got a name the dolans, they they some
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point. They opened the move.
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Script had them in the opening scene at one point and then it
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was kind of shifted around. I was always I was always
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planning things for the Dolan. So when they when they were just
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just kind of extras, I made sure that you know, they had strong
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gusts. Yeah, Gary gave them, the White
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Lotus treatment. I love that and I'm so excited.
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I don't know if you heard, I'm sure.
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You have that Universal Studios opened up their own Jupiter's
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claim which I'm just dying to go visit.
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Now, I know, I really want to get into the kitchen overall to.
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There's some funny t-shirts that we made with the art Department
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that are for sale, their legs, they are so like purposefully
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lame. They say like I went to
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Jupiter's claim and pan for gold.
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I'm not getting one immediately. I gotta go.
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I like this. With over.
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I gotta go, no, I can you buy me one there?
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They're really awesome. Yeah.
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So I think they just moved the whole set, they saved it and
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then they, they popped it up on the back lot.
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Yeah, that's so exciting. I'll send you one for sure.
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All right. We're coming near the end here
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but first, you know, we're actually talking about this
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behind-the-scenes, but there is so much distressing to The
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costumes. I mean, the characters go
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through some really traumatic things.
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I first were in, you know, the desert of California, which I've
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grown up in, I'm from the high desert's.
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I know it is Dusty as hell. Your clothes are dirty faded and
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there's also just so much blood and dust and you trash.
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There's a lot happening here and somehow, the trailers really
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make it look like everything's good.
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It's just, you know, another UFO move.
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It's kind of quite Sinister how they do it, but can we please
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talk about this dressing? It's one of my favorite topics?
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Yes. No.
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I thought the same when I when I saw the trailer and I thought
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the costumes look like crayons and so I think they may have
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like done something to the process or something.
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But I mean, the costumes are still very lot of primary colors
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and we tried to make these sort of, you know, almost like Disney
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versions of things, we're trying to make things.
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Flout, you know, Larger than Life.
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But in, in real in actuality, we did lots of aging and lots of
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distressing to this costume, some of them to better effect
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than others. I remember a emeralds soccer
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jersey, you know, it's just made out of that fabric that they can
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nothing. Nothing is going to happen to
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this Fabric and set it on fire. It's very difficult to degrade.
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Oh yeah. But we did, we did our best and
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we you know aged it down. And it's supposed to also be
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maybe OJ's old soccer shirt and we had a million of both of
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these things. I'm looking at like the orange
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hoodie and emeralds green. We also had a lot of OJ's
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t-shirts and multiples had like 10 of a lot of his outfits.
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And they had to be aged down to match which is really difficult
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and we didn't have like a huge aging and dying team.
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We had A wonderful woman called Aileen who did everything and
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she really worked around the clock and we would do we kept.
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Sometimes we would make mistakes with the when you put the when
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you do the screen printing the ink doesn't always come out.
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Exactly the same like it's not an exact science.
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So some of the sweatshirts would come out and they wouldn't match
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and then she'd have to try and sand it down.
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So that the so that it looked like, Tentacle.
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I was always conscious of the fact that this was going to be
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on IMAX, mmm. So even if it kind of looked
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like it matched, once it's like, Giant on the picture that every
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little sanded, but, you know, matches every little sanded bit.
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So it was definitely the bane of my existence getting these
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things, right? And then we had a wonderful guy
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called Hans. Who was one of our customers
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who'd worked on a lot of horror movies and And I remember he
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did, I was excited to hire him because he'd worked on Freddy's.
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A Freddy Krueger movie, I think was one of the last I was still
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like ya, Fred great, you know, someone who'd worked on Freddy
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Krueger, had to get hired on Jordan peels film.
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And he'd also work from Kill Bill and he was an expert on
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blood. Yeah.
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This is the guy you're looking for likely, he could take care
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of all of that and was very confident to throw it around.
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So I had a had a great team. Yes, That Eileen and Hans.
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Are you yourself a horror movie fan?
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I am less. So lately, when I was a kid when
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I was younger, I had a bit of a horror movie fetish love.
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Freddy Krueger, I love to Halloween movies, a Hellraiser
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movies. I would always, you know, go try
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and I think because there are slightly forbidden as well.
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So right. I feel like I'm the opposite.
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I feel like I grew up, like, don't even think about turning a
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horror movie on, or I'll fight you and now it's like that's all
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I watch. So, Rosemary's, Baby.
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It's probably one of my top films.
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The more suspenseful ones are the ones that own.
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Have you seen st. Mord?
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I've not seen that one yet but I've heard of it is such a good
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one. It's another kind of creepy
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psychological driven. I'll put on the list and final
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question. Speaking of horror movies, the
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Gordy's home scenes, really were unsettling.
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I saw this movie by myself, like I said, and I was hiding behind
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my popcorn. I have a real thing about
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monkeys. This was everything.
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But you did like some 90s period costuming for a little bit
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there. Yeah, we did.
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And there's a A lot more that got chopped to that, I'm pretty
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sure they're coming out with an extended version.
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So we'll get to see some of the missing holes but the those
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were, those were a lot of fun. I felt like I got to I felt like
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I was on Saturday Night Live or something because it was.
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Yeah, I got to really, you know, do some comedy and we also had
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two costume. The so there's there's a champ
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but it's played by a guy called Harry notary and then they rip
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off his Expressions. He acts the whole thing like,
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the is actually terrifying. He acted the whole thing that
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happened. It's a very Andy Serkis, kind of
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moment going on here. Exactly.
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Yeah. And so we had to costume him,
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and yeah. It was a lot of fun.
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Okay. So it's you actually did costume
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the chimp Gordy? Yeah.
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Yeah. We that's crazy.
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I was getting ready. And I was like, I don't think
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she did. I'm not going Ask about the
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chimp, but that's crazy. Yeah, he's wearing was, was, you
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know, fitted on a guy called Terry and then they do their
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magic. The the visual effects guy
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Guillaume. His name is when and did
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whatever he did and like did such an amazing job.
29:36
That chimp. Looks so real.
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Yeah, a little too real if you were to ask me.
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Yeah, no, thank you. With that Alex, I've had such a
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good time talking with you and just congratulations on
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everything at Emmy nomination, Jordan Peele movie.
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I mean, you're on fire right now.
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Thanks a lot. Thank you.
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It's just love what I do. So I it's been enjoy.
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It's very it's been very enjoyable talking to you as well
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about about while of it's a real honor I love costume designing
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and And you could tell by seeing your work.
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That you also love it too. So, I'm just really honored and
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I can't wait to see what you do next.
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You tease White Lotus to, and just after that I'm so excited
30:27
for even more. Yeah, White Lotus to and then I
30:29
just started in Reykjavik working on the new True
30:32
Detective. So they're doing a new and
30:35
you're doing a new series of True Detective set in Alaska.
30:39
So it has a very nice, it's, it's cold this time, it's not
30:44
tropical It's not the desert. It's going to be snow so I guess
30:48
I'm moving to different season. Yeah, you're kind of that sounds
30:52
kind of traumatic. All the different seasons are
30:54
going through. We went from Hawaii to
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California to Iceland success and Sicily.
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White Lotus to is in Sicily. Oh well.
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Oh my gosh, that sounds bad for your body.
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Not great, but it keeps life interesting.
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I love travel so I'm lucky Thank you so much, Alex, you're
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welcome. Thanks a lot.
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