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Playboy model accused of bludgeoning psychiatrist to death and stuffing body into Mercedes Benz trunk · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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  Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace Kelsey Turner, no stranger to
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  Speaker 1: posing for the camera, now posing for her criminal mug
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  Speaker 1: shut accused of brutally beating a man who paid her
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  Speaker 1: rent and showered her with money. About three hundred thousand
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  Speaker 1: that I know about and possibly more. You're hearing our
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  Speaker 1: freendsy ksb w Actionnate News. That was Christopher Salas. Guys psychiatrists,
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  Speaker 1: well respected found bludgeoned dead in the trunk of a car.
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  Speaker 1: You know where, Las Vegas. Now I know why they
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  Speaker 1: call it sin City. This guy very very well respected.
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  Speaker 1: I'm talking about doctor Thomas Burchard. Joining me, John Lemley,
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  Speaker 1: Crime Online dot Com investigative reporter Dotor, Michelle Dupree, medical examiner,
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  Speaker 1: author of Homicide Investigation Field Guide, renowned divorce and family
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  Speaker 1: lawyer Kathleen Murphy, and the psychologist and a lawyer host
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  Speaker 1: of hit series on investigation Discovery Fatal Vows. But with
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  Speaker 1: me first is a very special guest today because no
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  Speaker 1: one has heard the side of doctor Thomas Burchard. And
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  Speaker 1: we hear that a psychiatrist is found dead in a
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  Speaker 1: trunk in Vegas. All right, that doesn't look good. But
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  Speaker 1: we hear also that a playboy model is involved, but
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  Speaker 1: his longtime girlfriend, Judy Irp says it's not what you think. Judy,
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  Speaker 1: I want to say, first of all, thank you for
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  Speaker 1: being with us, and I know the whole thing has
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  Speaker 1: just been devastating to you to first learn about Thomas
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  Speaker 1: death and then to have all the rumors and innuendo
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  Speaker 1: swirling around his death. Less start at the beginning. How
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  Speaker 1: long have you been with doctor? I think I'm saying
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  Speaker 1: it correctly Burchard or Burchard Burchard. Some of his family
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  Speaker 1: on the East Coast pronounced it Birchard, but here he
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  Speaker 1: pronounced it Burchard. We've been together about seventeen years. Wow,
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  Speaker 1: that is a success story in America to be with
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  Speaker 1: someone for seventeen years. How would you describe the doctor's personality?
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  Speaker 1: He was outgoing, He loved his practice, He loved you know,
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  Speaker 1: his patience, you know, doing everything for them. Magic was
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  Speaker 1: his hobby and he learned that mainly to do magic
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  Speaker 1: tricks to kind of engage the children. Because he was
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  Speaker 1: a child psychiatrist, so were his clients. His patients mostly children.
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  Speaker 1: Originally they were children. Now nowadays it was a little
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  Speaker 1: bit more on the adult side. He had started seeing
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  Speaker 1: them as children and through you know, and continued following
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  Speaker 1: them and into their adulthood. That was rather one of
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  Speaker 1: when he turned sixty five, he was seventy one, and
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  Speaker 1: when he had turned sixty five, he was concerned, you know,
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  Speaker 1: worried about his patients that if he retired they would
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  Speaker 1: be left with no one or having to start over
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  Speaker 1: with a new new doctor. And so his idea of
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  Speaker 1: retirement was to cut his work week down to four
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  Speaker 1: days and take Mondays off. Take a listen to our
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  Speaker 1: friends at ksb W for yet those of you just
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  Speaker 1: joining us, A well respected psychiatrist as found a bludge
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  Speaker 1: and dead in the trunk of his car. Vegas suspect
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  Speaker 1: a playboy bunny. The actual incident occurred at a residence
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  Speaker 1: in the Las Vegas Valley and then the boy was
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  Speaker 1: found out by the lake. That home we initially suspected
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  Speaker 1: was on Puritan Avenue in Las Vegas. That's based on
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  Speaker 1: this arrest record from earlier this year. Turns then boyfriend
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  Speaker 1: arrested for domestic violence the victim Turner with her address listed.
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  Speaker 1: I went to that home Monday, neighbors confirming with me.
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  Speaker 1: Police have been to the home several times in the
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  Speaker 1: last month, including a CSI unit as recent as this
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  Speaker 1: past weekend. The home also matches the neighborhood in Turner's
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  Speaker 1: arrest warn According to that warn't, Las Vegas police say
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  Speaker 1: inside the home they found Burchard's keys, his vest, and
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  Speaker 1: blue latex gloves like these I found in the garbage
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  Speaker 1: can outside of the home. Police also found cleaning supplies, blood,
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  Speaker 1: a broken door with blood on it, and towels the
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  Speaker 1: same towels that matched the ones in the car with
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  Speaker 1: Burchard Turner's two door BMW. There was blood on the
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  Speaker 1: passenger seat, the back seat, and in the trunk. That's
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  Speaker 1: where Burchard was found with wounds that left a unique
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  Speaker 1: pattern on him. You're hearing our friend Christopher Selass at KSPW,
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  Speaker 1: I want to go out now to John Limley, Crime
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  Speaker 1: online dot Com investigative reporter, how was doctor Burchard's body discovered?
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  Speaker 1: Las Vegas Metropolitan Police investigated a vehicle that had been
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  Speaker 1: abandoned left in the Desert area off of State Route
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  Speaker 1: one forty seven. This is an Eastern Clark County, Nevada.
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  Speaker 1: The vehicle a nice vehicle twenty seventeen Mercedes Benz C
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  Speaker 1: three hundred with California license plates. The windows were rolled
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  Speaker 1: down and the cars started with no problem. When police
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  Speaker 1: clicked the push start ignition inside the car's cab area,
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  Speaker 1: detectives found latex gloves and very strangely, evidence of a
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  Speaker 1: small fire. There was also blood on the driver's seat,
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  Speaker 1: headrest and in the back seat as well. Also present
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  Speaker 1: small tears in the headliner just above the drivers where
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  Speaker 1: the driver's head would have been. As to what had
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  Speaker 1: happened inside that vehicle, that was answered fairly quickly. When
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  Speaker 1: police opened the trunk, they first find a pile of
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  Speaker 1: clothing and betting, and underneath that is the body of
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  Speaker 1: a man, and this is doctor Burchard. He's partially clothed
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  Speaker 1: and had apparent head trauma. And as we heard in
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  Speaker 1: that audio, just a moment ago, police realized that they
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  Speaker 1: had a murder case on their hands, and it was
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  Speaker 1: with an unusual weapon, one that left a very distinctive mark.
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  Speaker 1: I want to go back to doctor Burchard's long time
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  Speaker 1: loved Judy, when did you learn when did you first
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  Speaker 1: realize that doctor Brochard was missing, that he was not
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  Speaker 1: where he was supposed to be well, he was scheduled.
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  Speaker 1: He flew there on Friday, March first, and he was
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  Speaker 1: scheduled to return the fourth the following Monday. And I
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  Speaker 1: first noticed that there was something wrong on Sunday morning.
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  Speaker 1: I spoke with him Friday, and we texted on Saturday,
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  Speaker 1: and I began to feel that there was something wrong
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  Speaker 1: on Sunday that I had received a couple of texts
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  Speaker 1: in the afternoon that I just knew were not him. Okay, whoa,
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  Speaker 1: whoa Wait right there, Judy, I'm very very interested in that.
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  Speaker 1: I'm interested in all of it, Judy, but that right
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  Speaker 1: there you received text First of all, I'm interested in
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  Speaker 1: your sense of foreboding that something was wrong, because Judy
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  Speaker 1: with me is doctor Burchard's long time love Judy. Judy.
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  Speaker 1: I've spoken to so many crime victims and their families,
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  Speaker 1: and an overwhelming majority of them feel a sense of
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  Speaker 1: foreboding or dread or anxiety or unrest. Something is wrong.
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  Speaker 1: They don't know what it is, and then they find out,
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  Speaker 1: right what tell me about those texts that you knew
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  Speaker 1: were not sent from him? They just the vocabulary wasn't
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  Speaker 1: his vocabulary. It was more of an uneducated It just
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  Speaker 1: it just wasn't him. I could just tell it wasn't
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  Speaker 1: him talking or texting me, and I said, so, I said,
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  Speaker 1: you know, Tom, I don't believe this is you. You
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  Speaker 1: need to call me. And then after that the phone
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  Speaker 1: went dead. And early Sunday morning that same day, I
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  Speaker 1: woke up very early, about five or so in the morning,
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  Speaker 1: just thirty five, just feeling something was really wrong, you know,
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  Speaker 1: just kind of scared, more and more scared than anything.
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  Speaker 1: And then those texts in the afternoon, you know, really
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  Speaker 1: really raised some flags, and I was worried. I didn't
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  Speaker 1: hear from him at all, and I checked and I
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  Speaker 1: kept checking, and he had not checked in for his flight.
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  Speaker 1: So I was very worried. And then Monday, I still
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  Speaker 1: hadn't hurt from him, and his flight was doing I
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  Speaker 1: think around one forty and so I decided to go
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  Speaker 1: to the airport to meet the plane. He had his card,
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  Speaker 1: you know, in the long term parking lot there. But
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  Speaker 1: I still I went with my son to meet the plane.
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  Speaker 1: I just felt something was wrong and I needed to,
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  Speaker 1: you know, check, and I watched every single person come
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  Speaker 1: off the plane and it wasn't him. And by this time,
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  Speaker 1: I'm very, very concerned and I speak with the gay agent,
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  Speaker 1: and they checked and he had never checked in for
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  Speaker 1: his flight and he wasn't on the flight. And then
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  Speaker 1: I knew something was, you know, just horrible. So I meet.
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  Speaker 1: I went to his office because I thought, well, you know,
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  Speaker 1: if he lost his phone, at least he would He
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  Speaker 1: worked at Trump Community Hospital for forty years, so he
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  Speaker 1: had that number memorized. You know. Now you know, so
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  Speaker 1: many numbers we don't even really remember because they're on
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  Speaker 1: our contacts. But I knew he would call his office,
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  Speaker 1: and so I went there and I asked, you know,
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  Speaker 1: as you know, he called, I think he I just
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  Speaker 1: you know, I told him, I think he might have
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  Speaker 1: missed his flying or lost his phone. Did he call
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  Speaker 1: here to you know, reschedule his patience or cancel or anything,
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  Speaker 1: And they hadn't heard anything at all about it, And
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  Speaker 1: so I left a message for his office manager to
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  Speaker 1: call me and m By that time, I'm really scared,
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  Speaker 1: because I mean, he's very he worked at the same
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  Speaker 1: place for forty years. I mean, he's very conscientious of
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  Speaker 1: his patience, and he wouldn't just leave them hanging for
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  Speaker 1: no reason. And so I came home and I called
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  Speaker 1: Las Vegas Police Department and filed a missing person's report
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  Speaker 1: and requested the welfare truck. Crime Stories with Nancy Grace
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  Speaker 1: with Me is the longtime love of murder victim doctor
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  Speaker 1: Thomas Burchard. He was found bludge and dead in the
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  Speaker 1: trunk of his BMW in Vegas. That's got to be
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  Speaker 1: so surreal at the police station, filing a missing person's report.
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  Speaker 1: And when I look back, Judy Earp, when I think
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  Speaker 1: back on finding out about my fiance's murder and the
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  Speaker 1: funeral and everything that happened after, it's just a big
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  Speaker 1: blur to me, a dark, kind of a hot feeling,
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  Speaker 1: hot lava blur. And it's a position you never think
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  Speaker 1: you're going to be in, so you kind of like
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  Speaker 1: sleepwalk through it. To doctor Brian Russell, psychologists and host
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  Speaker 1: of Fatal Veils on ID, Doctor Brian, what is that?
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  Speaker 1: Do you think she would have been in shock at
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  Speaker 1: that point, going to report him missing, having no idea
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  Speaker 1: what's happening. Well, yeah, and I think that you meant
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  Speaker 1: an excellent point when you said that. Many of the
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  Speaker 1: people that we've talked to over the years have said
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  Speaker 1: that there has been something subtle that they noticed before
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  Speaker 1: they really knew for sure that something was wrong. And
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  Speaker 1: I think that's so important for people not to overlook
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  Speaker 1: because we have familiarity with people's syntax and the way
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  Speaker 1: they use words, the order of words, the kind of
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  Speaker 1: words she said, the vocaity little things that we don't
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  Speaker 1: even notice that we know about people until it gets
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  Speaker 1: different somehow. And I guess one way to put it,
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  Speaker 1: doctor is, you don't know. You don't know what you know.
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  Speaker 1: You're picking up all of these clues and all of
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  Speaker 1: these signals, but you don't you're not putting them together,
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  Speaker 1: because really it just seems unreal. Judy R. Did he
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  Speaker 1: explain to you why he was going to Vegas for
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  Speaker 1: three days? Yes? He did, Yes, Yes, why Well, some
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  Speaker 1: of it I don't really want to say, you know
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  Speaker 1: and kill the trial and everything, but some of it
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  Speaker 1: was business basically. And he also had told me that
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  Speaker 1: Kelsey was such a compulsive liar that he needed to
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  Speaker 1: check things out for himself. So let me understand. You
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  Speaker 1: knew about Kelsey Turner, now a suspect in your long
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  Speaker 1: time love's murder. What was she to him? Well, he
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  Speaker 1: had he had helped a lot of women, a lot
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  Speaker 1: of people. You know, men and women with you know,
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  Speaker 1: they were down on their lock or you know, he
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  Speaker 1: would help them to pay their rent or their car payments,
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  Speaker 1: or get the medicine that they needed, you know, rather
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  Speaker 1: than going through And I told him, you know, lots
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  Speaker 1: of times he probably would be better off, you know,
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  Speaker 1: going through a charity. But now he would directly help
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  Speaker 1: them make sure that, you know, they got what they needed.
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  Speaker 1: And she was a master manipulator. She can I tell
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  Speaker 1: you something. You can't tell you something, Judy, You're absolutely right.
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  Speaker 1: And I'm speaking anecdote. Like the suspect in this case,
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  Speaker 1: Kelsey Turner, I think she may have been a stripper.
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  Speaker 1: I know that she's a playboy quote mo model. But
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  Speaker 1: let me just tell you an anecdote. We had a friend,
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  Speaker 1: just the nicest guy, in a wonderful marriage, and he
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  Speaker 1: was always a little chubby, and I certainly understand that,
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  Speaker 1: but he had something, actually, he had some incident happened
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  Speaker 1: and he lost a lot of weight and then it
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  Speaker 1: was like the first time in his life he was sevelt.
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  Speaker 1: He got the attention of a stripper. By the time
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  Speaker 1: she finished with him, he was divorced from his wife, bankrupt,
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  Speaker 1: lost his job, and his house. Okay, so yeah, I'm
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  Speaker 1: not stereotyping because some of the best witnesses I've ever had,
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  Speaker 1: and some of the most truthful ones, were strippers. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: I've been in every strip club in Atlanta, and I'm
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  Speaker 1: not proud of it. Let me tell you that looking
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  Speaker 1: for witnesses, but I do know that anecdote and many
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  Speaker 1: more like it. Now you're saying this woman is a
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  Speaker 1: master manipulator. People don't get it. It's all about the
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  Speaker 1: money for them. It's just about trying to get the money. Oh,
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  Speaker 1: definitely it was and her mother. I personally believe her
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  Speaker 1: and her mother worked as a team. Okay. You know
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  Speaker 1: I try every day, Judy to try, and it is
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  Speaker 1: really hard for me. I'm sure other mothers are much better.
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  Speaker 1: But to set the very best example I can for
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  Speaker 1: the twins every single day. And what you're telling me
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  Speaker 1: is just possibly part of a family scheme is scary.
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  Speaker 1: So you tried to talk him out of being so
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  Speaker 1: generous to various people who were down on their luck,
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  Speaker 1: but he didn't listen. Correct, It was it was just him,
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  Speaker 1: you know, it was He'd always been that way, and
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  Speaker 1: there was just nothing I could do to change him.
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  Speaker 1: I realized early on that these two were different, that
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  Speaker 1: they were way different, and not just it wasn't just
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  Speaker 1: you know, help help for like a short time a
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  Speaker 1: month or something. Um it, they manipulated, did she definitely did.
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  Speaker 1: When did you learn that his body had been found
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  Speaker 1: ten days after I had reported him missing? It was
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  Speaker 1: that was such a scary time, in those ten days
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  Speaker 1: of not knowing, not knowing should I you know, how
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  Speaker 1: to how to do anything? You know, just that that
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  Speaker 1: was scary. The scariest time, really, I think just the fear,
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  Speaker 1: you know, is he coming home? And probably about by
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  Speaker 1: the day before, about the eighth of the ninth day,
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  Speaker 1: I began to to realize to myself that he probably
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  Speaker 1: wasn't ever coming home, you know, even though I kept
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  Speaker 1: hoping and hoping. And then when they called me, you
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  Speaker 1: know and told me, which was right before it broke
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  Speaker 1: on the news, it was it was just it was devastating,
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  Speaker 1: even though I kind of thought I had prepared myself
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  Speaker 1: to hear the worst news. You know, that's funny you
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  Speaker 1: say that, Judy, because I can compare when my fiance
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  Speaker 1: is murdered out of the blue to just recently losing
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  Speaker 1: my dad who was in his eighties. I now know
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  Speaker 1: you're never prepared. You think you're prepared, You're not with me,
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  Speaker 1: is the long time love of doctor Thomas Burchard. The
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  Speaker 1: suspect is twenty five year old Kelsey Turner, who's listed
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  Speaker 1: as a public figure on Instagram, a model, an actress
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  Speaker 1: with more than one hundred thousand followers. What is her
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  Speaker 1: relationship with the victim? There is a relationship. I'm at
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  Speaker 1: this point the investigation is extremely active and ongoing, so
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  Speaker 1: I'm not going to get into any specifics regarding them.
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  Speaker 1: A man who knew the doctor tells the NBC stage
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  Speaker 1: in Monterey, Burchard was paying the rent on this home
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  Speaker 1: in California, where Turner, her kids, and her mom once lived,
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  Speaker 1: and was giving them cash and he were from two
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  Speaker 1: to four thousand a week easily. He told me. He
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  Speaker 1: met Kelsey on a website and met up with her,
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  Speaker 1: and they talked, and they went and had dinner a
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  Speaker 1: few times, he says. Eventually, Turner and her family were
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  Speaker 1: evicted when Burchard stopped paying rent. She moved to Las Vegas,
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  Speaker 1: and Burchard went to check on her. Now, Turners in jail,
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  Speaker 1: accused of killing him. A Playboy model, a's twenty five
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  Speaker 1: as now the prime suspect in the murder of a
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  Speaker 1: seventy one year old psychiatrist found bludgeoned to death and
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  Speaker 1: the trunk of a BMW and where else, Los Vegas.
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  Speaker 1: The twenty five year old model, as you know, has
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  Speaker 1: not been trined, she has not been found guilty yet,
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  Speaker 1: and there is the presumption of innocence. But I'm looking
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  Speaker 1: at her Facebook photos and let me tell you something
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  Speaker 1: this woman is. I mean, I don't have really any
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  Speaker 1: doubt in my mind that she's in the stripping business.
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  Speaker 1: I know she's a Playboy model, not casting aspersions. But
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  Speaker 1: why would a nice guy like doctor Thomas Burchard have
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  Speaker 1: anything to do and get all tangled up with a
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  Speaker 1: stripper giving her two to four thousand dollars a week
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  Speaker 1: straight out? To John Limley, Crime online dot Com investigative
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  Speaker 1: reporter John Limley, what more can you tell me about
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  Speaker 1: the facts. Well, I can tell you a little bit
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  Speaker 1: more about one of the suspects in this case when
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  Speaker 1: we've been discussing already, and that's Kelsey Turner. She was
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  Speaker 1: a model who had posed for Playboy in May of
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  Speaker 1: twenty seventeen, She also, in April twenty seventeen, appeared on
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  Speaker 1: the cover of One ten magazine and then also on
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  Speaker 1: the cover of Right a Man, Wright a Man. What
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  Speaker 1: is one ten? I don't know when there's another magazine
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  Speaker 1: I've never heard of? Conceded that she appeared on the cover.
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  Speaker 1: Four Are you saying concede as I concede the election?
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  Speaker 1: Or conceded like you think a little too much of yourself, vanity? Okay,
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  Speaker 1: go ahead. And on her profile for the magazine, Turner
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  Speaker 1: listed herself as being from Jonesboro, Arkansas. So in the beginning,
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  Speaker 1: this is all investigators knew about her, except thanks to
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  Speaker 1: Judy Earp, they realized there was a connection between the
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  Speaker 1: doctor and Kelsey Turner. Well, I mean, at first I
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  Speaker 1: thought that she may have been one of his patients,
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  Speaker 1: but now I realized that he met her on line
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  Speaker 1: to Kathleen Murphy, North Carolina family law and divorce attorney,
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  Speaker 1: you know Kathleen Murphy. I don't understand. Maybe his interest
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  Speaker 1: in her was benevolent, the way that his longtime love
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  Speaker 1: tells me j Judy Earp. But what I don't understand
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  Speaker 1: is if it was not just benevolent trying to help her.
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  Speaker 1: Why do guys and perfectly wonderful relationships. I mean, Judy
• 22:09
  Speaker 1: Earp is beautiful, she's loving, she's loyal, she's there for
• 22:15
  Speaker 1: him in other relationships. Why do men leave a good
• 22:19
  Speaker 1: thing and run out with a stripper? I would say that,
• 22:23
  Speaker 1: or okay, let me just say a playboy model, I
• 22:26
  Speaker 1: would say. And it's clear from hearing Judy that this
• 22:29
  Speaker 1: was a wonderful man and may have been experiencing some dementia.
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: He was seventy one years old, he had a stellar career,
• 22:40
  Speaker 1: he was a giver, he was a good man. And
• 22:44
  Speaker 1: it could be Relaane, Cathlane, Kathleene. Please he's a man? Yeah,
• 22:51
  Speaker 1: okay through that. Yeah, so, doctor Brian Russell, no offense
• 22:56
  Speaker 1: because you aren't, in fact a man. But what is
• 22:59
  Speaker 1: it with men? If a mel stripper came out to
• 23:00
  Speaker 1: me on the street and kissed me right on the mouth,
• 23:02
  Speaker 1: I'd probably slap in the face and keep going because
• 23:04
  Speaker 1: they don't have time to report him. Why demand Saul
• 23:09
  Speaker 1: for I mean, and then think hundreds of thousands of
• 23:13
  Speaker 1: dollars into the money pit? Why three hundred grand that
• 23:18
  Speaker 1: we know of he sunk into this woman? Why? Well,
• 23:22
  Speaker 1: first of all, I don't think there's any reason to
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: think in this case that there was some kind of
• 23:27
  Speaker 1: dementia going on. In fact, it sounds like this is
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: actually part of a pattern with this guy of getting
• 23:35
  Speaker 1: involved in women's lives, and it probably has to do
• 23:38
  Speaker 1: with the way in which it made him feel to
• 23:41
  Speaker 1: do that important needed. What do you mean he had
• 23:44
  Speaker 1: a pattern? Well, his girlfriend said that he had gotten
• 23:49
  Speaker 1: involved in helping multiple people over the years in this
• 23:53
  Speaker 1: similar kind of Yeah, she said, people, people, not playboy bunnies. Okay,
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: people and playboy bunnies are two different things. Well, especially
• 24:02
  Speaker 1: one that I strongly suspected as a stripper. But I
• 24:04
  Speaker 1: can't prove that it was interesting because for at first
• 24:07
  Speaker 1: she said he had he had helped you know, quite
• 24:08
  Speaker 1: a few women, and then then she went back and said, no,
• 24:12
  Speaker 1: but people, men and women together. But my suspicion is
• 24:16
  Speaker 1: helping women did something for him that was different from
• 24:19
  Speaker 1: just helping people in general in terms of how it
• 24:21
  Speaker 1: made him feel. Wow, guys, I want to find out
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: more about the crime and about the discovery of his body.
• 24:29
  Speaker 1: I just don't get it, ladies, I don't get it.
• 24:33
  Speaker 1: Why does a man leave stray from a wonderful home
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: to go be with a woman that's just gonna suck
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: him dry like a personal ATM. Now, by all accounts,
• 24:44
  Speaker 1: this doctor or doctor Thomas Burchard, was a great guy.
• 24:48
  Speaker 1: They're a brilliant psychiatrist. I mean, to be a psychiatrist,
• 24:52
  Speaker 1: you've got to go to medical school like every other doctor.
• 24:55
  Speaker 1: Then you have to get an advanced degree in psychiatry.
• 24:59
  Speaker 1: So John Linley, before I can even go to doctor
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: Michelle d pretty medical examiner and author, I need to
• 25:05
  Speaker 1: know some more of the facts. Hit me sure. This
• 25:07
  Speaker 1: investigation underway finds that the car that the doctor's body
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: was found in had actually been purchased by Kelsey Turner
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: from a man in San Francisco. The car is believed
• 25:21
  Speaker 1: to have been in her possession, Turner's possession since the
• 25:25
  Speaker 1: prior November Please don't tell me Burchard paid for her BMW.
• 25:31
  Speaker 1: If David Lynch rolled up in a new BMW, I
• 25:33
  Speaker 1: am telling you I would serve him with divorce papers
• 25:36
  Speaker 1: that instant. He'd better keep driving that beat up gmc
• 25:39
  Speaker 1: he detectives said that after a record's check, they then
• 25:44
  Speaker 1: spoke to Judy Earp, Burchard's longtime girlfriend, and earp is
• 25:50
  Speaker 1: the one that pointed police in the direction of Kelsey
• 25:53
  Speaker 1: Turner and her boyfriend, Greg Haggio, saying that she firmly
• 25:59
  Speaker 1: believed that the pair had murdered Bichard. Let me ask
• 26:03
  Speaker 1: you this. Doctor Bichard reportedly gave the suspect, and the
• 26:09
  Speaker 1: suspect is Kelsey Turner, three hundred thousand dollars maybe more.
• 26:14
  Speaker 1: But do you think he was the victim of a
• 26:17
  Speaker 1: money scam? It does sound like there was something of
• 26:22
  Speaker 1: foot when it came to getting as much money out
• 26:26
  Speaker 1: of the man as possible, because there was quite some
• 26:31
  Speaker 1: time a timeline where you can see communication between Kelsey
• 26:37
  Speaker 1: Turner and the doctor, and it all always comes down
• 26:42
  Speaker 1: to money and trying to get a little bit more
• 26:45
  Speaker 1: and a little bit more, not only things like cars
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: and apartments and what have you, but also just cold
• 26:53
  Speaker 1: hard cash. So did I hear you say she had
• 26:56
  Speaker 1: a boyfriend? Yes, Greg Haggio, Gregg, who is he? He
• 27:02
  Speaker 1: is a fellow that we don't know a lot about.
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: We do know that they had been a long time,
• 27:11
  Speaker 1: they had had a long term relationship, and that they
• 27:15
  Speaker 1: lived together. Get it out, Wellmily, hold on, So you're
• 27:18
  Speaker 1: telling me why she's getting about a half a million
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: dollars from seventy one year old doctor Thomas Burshard, the psychiatrists.
• 27:25
  Speaker 1: She's living with, this other guy, Craig Hagio. Listen to
• 27:29
  Speaker 1: this our friend Christopher Silas at KSBW. Kelsey wasn't the
• 27:33
  Speaker 1: first person he had helped, unfortunately the last. A longtime girlfriend,
• 27:38
  Speaker 1: Judy Earp described for Sharan's habit of financially supporting women
• 27:42
  Speaker 1: give him an ultimatum to say, hey, listen, this cannot continue,
• 27:45
  Speaker 1: either them or me. That's kind of personal. And I
• 27:49
  Speaker 1: had told him that you can't you know this is
• 27:53
  Speaker 1: this isn't you know this is not going to end well,
• 27:55
  Speaker 1: Judy said. Bursharan paid money to about a half a
• 27:58
  Speaker 1: dozen women during their seventy your relationship, but none to
• 28:02
  Speaker 1: the magnitude of Kelsey Turner and her mother. How much
• 28:05
  Speaker 1: money altogether did she scam out of doctor Burchard and
• 28:07
  Speaker 1: her mother About three hundred thousand that I know about,
• 28:11
  Speaker 1: and possibly more, Judy set Aside from the money, he
• 28:14
  Speaker 1: also loaned them cars and paid the rent for a
• 28:17
  Speaker 1: year on this Salina's home. But then Burchard suddenly stopped
• 28:21
  Speaker 1: making payments and they were evicted. Why did he break
• 28:24
  Speaker 1: the relationship off with her? I think he finally saw,
• 28:27
  Speaker 1: you know, what was going on. Turner moved to Vegas,
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: where she reportedly worked as a model. I don't know why.
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: I believe he was lured there. Judy said Burchard bought
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: the ticket to Vegas the same day he flew out,
• 28:39
  Speaker 1: not telling her why he left until after he already arrived.
• 28:43
  Speaker 1: He said he went to see a magic show and
• 28:45
  Speaker 1: to see Kelsey, and that he'll be home Monday. I
• 28:48
  Speaker 1: warned him on Saturday when he was there that, you know,
• 28:54
  Speaker 1: maybe you ought not wait till Monday to come home.
• 28:57
  Speaker 1: Maybe I just come home on the next flight, take
• 29:00
  Speaker 1: a Southwest and I'll pick you up in San Jose,
• 29:04
  Speaker 1: you know. And I wish he had taken that advice.
• 29:09
  Speaker 1: Nearly a week after Burschard bought that plane ticket, he
• 29:12
  Speaker 1: was found bludgeoned to death and the trunk of a
• 29:14
  Speaker 1: car on an Avada Highway. Judy said this was the
• 29:16
  Speaker 1: second time Burchard went to Vegas in the last month.
• 29:20
  Speaker 1: In February, Judy and a friend went with Burchard for
• 29:22
  Speaker 1: a medical conference. Judy says Turner reached out to him
• 29:26
  Speaker 1: then she had wanted to know who was with him,
• 29:29
  Speaker 1: and you know, all of this was he staying at
• 29:31
  Speaker 1: a hotel and who was with him and all that.
• 29:33
  Speaker 1: And his friend thinks that perhaps she had been planning
• 29:36
  Speaker 1: it then, but there was just too many people with
• 29:39
  Speaker 1: him that you know, would notice. Burchard met with Turner
• 29:43
  Speaker 1: despite Judy's warnings. I wasn't happy about it, you know.
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: I told him repeatedly that these are not, you know,
• 29:52
  Speaker 1: the people, the kind of people you want to be
• 29:55
  Speaker 1: associating with. And Judy says while she believes Turner has
• 29:58
  Speaker 1: something to do with Burchard's death, she also says she
• 30:02
  Speaker 1: couldn't do it alone. One person could not have put
• 30:06
  Speaker 1: a body in the trunk of a car and also
• 30:10
  Speaker 1: driving that car out into the desert. They had to
• 30:13
  Speaker 1: have a way to get out of there. Crime stories
• 30:28
  Speaker 1: with Nancy Grace, a playboy model age twenty five, as
• 30:36
  Speaker 1: now the prime suspect in the murder of a seventy
• 30:39
  Speaker 1: one year old psychiatrist found bludgeoned to death and the
• 30:44
  Speaker 1: trunk of a BMW and where else, Los Vegas? Well,
• 30:48
  Speaker 1: can you tell me about the fact that we know
• 30:50
  Speaker 1: two more warrants have been issued? John Limley Well. The
• 30:54
  Speaker 1: first warrant was to search a home where Kelsey Turner
• 30:58
  Speaker 1: lived in the Vada that Burchard had paid for Turner's
• 31:02
  Speaker 1: March rent. And in this home police find a towel
• 31:06
  Speaker 1: with the same design as a towel found in the
• 31:09
  Speaker 1: car with the doctor's body, and a door that appeared
• 31:13
  Speaker 1: to have been ripped away from the hidden hinges and
• 31:15
  Speaker 1: broken into. There was also blood on both halves of
• 31:20
  Speaker 1: the door. Inside the garage of that house, police reported
• 31:24
  Speaker 1: finding more blood, footwear, impressions, cleaning supplies, and evidence of
• 31:30
  Speaker 1: a major clean up. So this warrant is for her
• 31:33
  Speaker 1: home that she had. Did you say it was in Vegas? Yes,
• 31:37
  Speaker 1: and it was in her name. But I imagine he's
• 31:40
  Speaker 1: paying the is it a house note or rent? It
• 31:44
  Speaker 1: is rent? So she was renting a house right and
• 31:47
  Speaker 1: he had already paid for her March rent. There were
• 31:50
  Speaker 1: two search warrants. What was the second warrant that just
• 31:53
  Speaker 1: went down? There was a warrant of Turner's phone and
• 31:57
  Speaker 1: found that she was usually in that Las Vegas home
• 32:01
  Speaker 1: but had left after the time that Bruschard died. Police
• 32:06
  Speaker 1: noted that they think Bruschard died between March third and sixth.
• 32:11
  Speaker 1: Turner's phone mostly pinned in the area of her home
• 32:15
  Speaker 1: between March first and fifth, and then on the fifth
• 32:19
  Speaker 1: Kelsey Turner appears to be away from the home. Then
• 32:22
  Speaker 1: around five twenty pm March seventh, the phone shuts down
• 32:27
  Speaker 1: and was never turned on again. Now, so those are
• 32:29
  Speaker 1: the two most recent warrants. Now, let me ask you
• 32:33
  Speaker 1: one more thing. Do you believe Kelsey acted alone? From
• 32:39
  Speaker 1: what detectives and investigators have allowed us to know in
• 32:45
  Speaker 1: this case, it appears that the boyfriend played at least
• 32:50
  Speaker 1: some role in all of this. Has he been arrested?
• 32:53
  Speaker 1: But no, he has not. Well, then we better we
• 32:56
  Speaker 1: better walk very very lightly on this. He has not
• 33:00
  Speaker 1: been arrested, he has not been charged. But there is
• 33:05
  Speaker 1: a theory, Kathleen Murphy, North Carolina divorce lawyer, that she
• 33:09
  Speaker 1: did not act alone. What's that theory? The theory is
• 33:13
  Speaker 1: that she could not lift that body by herself into
• 33:16
  Speaker 1: the chunk of the car and then drive it all
• 33:19
  Speaker 1: the way to the desert and then leave by herself
• 33:23
  Speaker 1: in any other vehicle the desert where the body was found,
• 33:28
  Speaker 1: and then what walked back to Doctor Michelle Dupre, medical
• 33:32
  Speaker 1: examiner and author of Homicide Investigation Field Guide. How long
• 33:36
  Speaker 1: could a person survive walking through the desert Fnancy. That's
• 33:39
  Speaker 1: a good question, and of course it depends on the
• 33:41
  Speaker 1: weather and the state of how that person was in initially.
• 33:45
  Speaker 1: But a person really cannot do without water for more
• 33:48
  Speaker 1: than three days. Food much longer, but not water. What
• 33:51
  Speaker 1: do you make of the fact, Doctor Michelle Dupree that
• 33:54
  Speaker 1: there were cleaning solutions in the home, the home belonging
• 33:57
  Speaker 1: to the suspect, Kelsey Turner cleaning solutions on you? What
• 34:01
  Speaker 1: do you have to do to break down DNA and
• 34:04
  Speaker 1: clean up a scene? Well, Nancy, as you know, people
• 34:07
  Speaker 1: can try to clean up scenes all they want, but
• 34:09
  Speaker 1: there is always some evidence left. Yes, bleach can cover
• 34:13
  Speaker 1: up DNA. We can even paint a wall that has
• 34:15
  Speaker 1: had blood stains on it, and with luminol or blue
• 34:18
  Speaker 1: Star we can still see the blood spatter on that wall.
• 34:21
  Speaker 1: So there's no way to completely clean up a crime
• 34:23
  Speaker 1: scene with any No matter how what cleaning solutions you
• 34:27
  Speaker 1: may have. You can see blood through paint. You can
• 34:29
  Speaker 1: with special light and with lumina. What if it's um,
• 34:34
  Speaker 1: it doesn't matter what kind of paint you use. UM
• 34:37
  Speaker 1: not really Again, what we see is the splatter pattern?
• 34:41
  Speaker 1: You know it's a spatter pattern. Um, if we can
• 34:44
  Speaker 1: take the DNA, but we can still see them the paint, brilliant, brilliant.
• 34:49
  Speaker 1: You just taught me something I didn't know about blood spatter.
• 34:52
  Speaker 1: So you can't get in there and get the DNA out,
• 34:54
  Speaker 1: but you can still see the spatter underneath the paint. Brilliant,
• 34:58
  Speaker 1: Doctor Michelle dupre joining me. So doctor Brian in a nutshell,
• 35:03
  Speaker 1: does this appear to be premeditated? Yes? I think if yes,
• 35:08
  Speaker 1: it sounds to me like something that was thought out,
• 35:11
  Speaker 1: not necessarily thought out well, but thought out. And as
• 35:14
  Speaker 1: we often say, we remind everybody all the time, premeditation
• 35:17
  Speaker 1: can happen in seconds. Let me ask you this to
• 35:19
  Speaker 1: John Linley, what would indicate premeditation. Premeditation would show that
• 35:26
  Speaker 1: they would somehow, first of all, plan this out in
• 35:30
  Speaker 1: a reasonable amount of time, that there were plans of foot,
• 35:35
  Speaker 1: that things were in place to make sure that he
• 35:38
  Speaker 1: was no longer on the scene. And of course there's
• 35:41
  Speaker 1: also the incentive that they would gain possibly and I
• 35:47
  Speaker 1: say they, I should say Kelsey Turner because she's the
• 35:50
  Speaker 1: only one arrested at this point, that they would benefit
• 35:53
  Speaker 1: doesn't the mother live in the home with her, That's
• 35:55
  Speaker 1: what Judy Irp say. Yes, she does, well, she did
• 35:58
  Speaker 1: it once. So how can the home be covered in
• 36:00
  Speaker 1: blood and the mom not know about the question. The
• 36:03
  Speaker 1: mom lived with her at some point, but at some
• 36:07
  Speaker 1: point moved out and the boyfriend moved in. He let
• 36:09
  Speaker 1: me understand this to you, Kathleen Murphy, trial lawyer out
• 36:12
  Speaker 1: of North Carolina. What says premeditation to you? Premeditation is
• 36:17
  Speaker 1: any act or thought that can be shown that there
• 36:22
  Speaker 1: was a plan or an instant where the person knew
• 36:26
  Speaker 1: what they were doing and intended to do it. And
• 36:28
  Speaker 1: just to make matters more complicated, listen to this our friend,
• 36:34
  Speaker 1: Christopher Silas at KSBW. We're learning the twenty five year
• 36:38
  Speaker 1: old accused of murdering doctor Thomas Burchard is pregnant. The
• 36:42
  Speaker 1: San Joaquin County jail says because of that pregnancy, they
• 36:45
  Speaker 1: have to make different travel arrangements other than bus or
• 36:48
  Speaker 1: van to get her out of Clark County. We wait
• 36:51
  Speaker 1: as justice un falls. Nancy Grace Crime Story signing off, goodbye, friend,
• 37:01
  Speaker 1: I'm trying to me this thing