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  Speaker 1: for us here on the show with that, but with
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  Speaker 1: everything that's gone on this offseason of Sean McDermott being fired,
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  Speaker 1: Brandon being being promoted, Joe Brady being promoted, the hiring
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  Speaker 1: of Jim Leonard, and all the resulting avenues of conversation
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  Speaker 1: that have resulted for that, we have kind of taken
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  Speaker 1: our time getting into more of a draft focus here
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  Speaker 1: on this show. So this is our official first draft
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  Speaker 1: episode of the offseason, which is crazy to say as
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  Speaker 1: we're kind of in mid March and the draft is
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  Speaker 1: like roughly five weeks away. And in this episode, again,
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  Speaker 1: as we start to move forward each week after week
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  Speaker 1: after week getting closer towards the draft, we're going to
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  Speaker 1: hone in more on specific players, position groups needs. As
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  Speaker 1: more of the Buffalo Bill's roster starts to take shape
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  Speaker 1: each and every week, as some more signings trickle in
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  Speaker 1: as we anticipate they will, it'll kind of, you know,
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  Speaker 1: put specific position groups and players a little more into focus,
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  Speaker 1: a little more into the crosshairs. But in this episode,
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  Speaker 1: this first kickoff, you know, draft episode of this offseason,
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  Speaker 1: we will be diving into positional targets and specific player
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  Speaker 1: targets at those positions for the Buffalo Bills at pick
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  Speaker 1: twenty six in round one slash early. I'm gonna put
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  Speaker 1: it out there that I think a trade back makes
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  Speaker 1: a lot of sense for the Buffalo Bills. I don't
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  Speaker 1: think that's a revelatory concept at this point, especially with
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  Speaker 1: them trading that second for Dj Moore. Where the strength
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  Speaker 1: of this draft is. So we're gonna be phrasing that
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  Speaker 1: and using that phrase and verbiage a lot in this
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  Speaker 1: episode tonight. And when I say we is because I'm
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  Speaker 1: not alone in this episode, I am joined by one
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  Speaker 1: of my good friends and one of the best ball
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  Speaker 1: knowers out there. That phrase, I say it all the time.
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  Speaker 1: Anytime I say it gets used too much. It's overused today.
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  Speaker 1: It's used in like satire and all that stuff. But
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  Speaker 1: mister Russell Brown of the Lions Wire, founder of the
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  Speaker 1: Draft Report, a tremendous substack that breaks down anything and
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  Speaker 1: everything you need to know when it comes to college
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  Speaker 1: football and prospect evaluation. Russ, if you folks don't know,
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  Speaker 1: is sincerely one of the best people when it comes
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  Speaker 1: to anything in everything draft prospect evaluation, skill sets, fit,
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  Speaker 1: grind and tape. I've had the pleasure of oh, I
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  Speaker 1: don't even know. I've had the pleasure of knowing you
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  Speaker 1: Russ for a while. I've yours at this point. Now,
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  Speaker 1: maybe I think.
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  Speaker 2: It's gotta be longer than that, dog.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, well, no, it's yeah, maybe six because I
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  Speaker 1: joined Cover one in twenty twenty the fall of twenty twenty,
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  Speaker 1: so I think the back six years now five six years.
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  Speaker 1: So yeah, you sincerely are one of the best. You're
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  Speaker 1: a good dude. It's awesome to talk ball with you.
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  Speaker 1: And there's no one I know. I reached out to
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  Speaker 1: you late, literally last night because this idea came to me.
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  Speaker 1: There's no one I'd rather kind of kick off the
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  Speaker 1: draft series with here on this show than you. So
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  Speaker 1: thank you for taking time, welcome the show.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, No, it's good to be back. Good to be home.
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  Speaker 2: I will always say Cover one is home, so no
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  Speaker 2: matter what's going on, it will always be home. So
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  Speaker 2: it's good to be back. Always happy to join you
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  Speaker 2: whenever whether it's a Monday night, Tuesday night, doesn't matter,
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  Speaker 2: any time, anyplace, I'll join you. And it's weird as
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  Speaker 2: you were going through the intro, you're talking about you know,
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  Speaker 2: this is the first draft episode and how things have
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  Speaker 2: changed with Sean McDermott getting fired, and it's just like
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  Speaker 2: I remember when Sean McDermott got hired. I remember being
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  Speaker 2: with Eric Turner down in Mobile, like I just like
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  Speaker 2: all the little things. It's just like that was a
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  Speaker 2: chapter of kind of the cover one brand growing and
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  Speaker 2: then seeing the growth and the work that you've done
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  Speaker 2: and the work that you know Eric has done, and
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  Speaker 2: the rest of the team from Greg and Aaron and
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  Speaker 2: and everybody on the squad, and that the constant growth
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  Speaker 2: with everything and then just kind of seeing like the
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  Speaker 2: next chapter of Bills. It's just kind of cool, you know,
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  Speaker 2: like it's it's really kind of full circle type of moment.
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  Speaker 2: It's it's pretty sweet. So really happy obviously to be
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  Speaker 2: here and talking. And I know everybody's expecting Bills talk,
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  Speaker 2: but I gotta ask a w just had a big
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  Speaker 2: pay per view, I mean, what fantastic. What's the thoughts?
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  Speaker 2: What are what are your thoughts here?
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  Speaker 1: I'd really just want to see I'm was a banger
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  Speaker 1: as always, like just AAW's been on such a hot streak.
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  Speaker 1: And I would say somebody already, like even before we started,
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  Speaker 1: somebody in the common story was like you the PROG
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  Speaker 1: wrestling reference, you know it. Yeah, they've just been on
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  Speaker 1: a heater for really like the last year, year and
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  Speaker 1: a half. So many thoughts, I really the big one
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  Speaker 1: for me really is like what do they do with
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  Speaker 1: Hangman now that he lost and the stipulation which was
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  Speaker 1: the Cody Road stipulation of like never challenging for the
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  Speaker 1: title again, So like does he live in the mid card?
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  Speaker 1: How do they get him back to the mat like
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  Speaker 1: the title scene, does he go to somebody into giving
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  Speaker 1: him that shot? Does he go back on his word
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  Speaker 1: because it was more of a handshake agreement like Tony
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  Speaker 1: Kahn talked about, Like I'm really interest to see where
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  Speaker 1: he goes. And the whole time I'm just sitting here,
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  Speaker 1: I'm just waiting for Oh yeah, he says uh blue,
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  Speaker 1: Tom says he'll turn Yeah, maybe a little, he'll turn Hangman.
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  Speaker 1: I also think it's interesting like with what Hangman's doing
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  Speaker 1: and then swerve kind of trying to solidify himself as
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  Speaker 1: the most dangerous man in aw like they're always connected somehow.
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  Speaker 1: I'm also sitting here waiting for Jay White to come back.
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  Speaker 1: I feel like I'm count He's been gone for like
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  Speaker 1: a year now, but I'm really exciting.
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  Speaker 2: I had that he had that tweet the other day.
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  Speaker 2: He was like, you know, okay or whatever that whatever
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  Speaker 2: the hell he said, and it was recently, yeah, like like.
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  Speaker 1: Like October, and he tweeted ready with a question mark,
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  Speaker 1: and everybody was like, oh, he's coming back, and then
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  Speaker 1: it was like, no, he's not, and.
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  Speaker 2: So yeah, and then he did on Sunday, he did
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  Speaker 2: ready period.
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  Speaker 1: So I didn't even know, soial, oh man, I'm even
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  Speaker 1: more And.
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  Speaker 2: I almost sent it to you and I was like,
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  Speaker 2: I was like, he's probably living under a rock getting
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  Speaker 2: ready for the pay per view. I'm not even gonna
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  Speaker 2: bother him because I can't even bother you when the
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  Speaker 2: bills are playing, so I don't. I'm like, I'm like,
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  Speaker 2: I'm not gonna bother him uring a pay per view
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  Speaker 2: because's probably gonna watch it at like two am or something.
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  Speaker 2: Crazy was watching Brett Hart clips all yeah, you shout
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  Speaker 2: out shot out my boy, Paul Hote, Paul holt Uh
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  Speaker 2: with the the GD wrestling over there, he wrestling, He
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  Speaker 2: has no idea what's going on.
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  Speaker 1: That's fair and get I get it. I understand the stigma.
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  Speaker 1: I understand the notion. But yeah, we're we're where. It's
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  Speaker 1: one of the many things that bonds us and unites us,
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  Speaker 1: you and I all with football and goo stuff. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I appreciate you asking.
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  Speaker 2: From it under the bills.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, no fair. Actually, as we go into that conversation,
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  Speaker 1: step back, let's look at the draft from kind of
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  Speaker 1: the whole class Like that lends that perspective. A lot
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  Speaker 1: of people are kind of saying it now at this point,
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  Speaker 1: right as soon as as soon as we usually get
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  Speaker 1: into March, like, whatever the big talking heads have said
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  Speaker 1: about the draft is usually what everybody parrots and everybody says. So,
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  Speaker 1: what are your thoughts on this draft class? Like, not
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  Speaker 1: too top heavy, not a lot of quote unquote blue chips,
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  Speaker 1: but some good value. The strength is like really picks
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  Speaker 1: like twenty five to sixty five, seventy five somewhere in
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  Speaker 1: that range, pretty deep at you know, linebacker, edge, safety,
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  Speaker 1: defensive line. There's some good noses in this class. Does
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  Speaker 1: all of that ring true for you? Do you think differently?
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  Speaker 1: Is there something else that's on your mind with this
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  Speaker 1: draft class that people aren't talking about enough? Kind of
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  Speaker 1: just you know, put this class into perspective and you
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  Speaker 1: know where your thoughts are on the twenty twenty six
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  Speaker 1: draft class.
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  Speaker 2: As a whole. Yeah, I mean I like the class,
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  Speaker 2: you know, as a whole. And when I do my evaluation,
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  Speaker 2: like I don't do a three hundred person big board,
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  Speaker 2: I think people are pretty familiar with the work in
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  Speaker 2: itself over my eight year stretch or whatever it was
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  Speaker 2: with Cover one. But I I mix and match all
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  Speaker 2: the time, and then I get basically through one hundred
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  Speaker 2: to one hundred and twenty five players, and some of
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  Speaker 2: those guys are fifth and sixth round picks that I
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  Speaker 2: view as you know, a top one hundred player out
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  Speaker 2: of the four or five games that I watched of
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  Speaker 2: each player. But if I watch, you know, two games
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  Speaker 2: of a player and it's just not clicking, I move
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  Speaker 2: on because I'll be I'll never get my I'll never
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  Speaker 2: get the project done of the draft if that is
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  Speaker 2: the case, Like I just obsess over film. For example,
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  Speaker 2: David Bailey, I watched every single I watched every single game, and.
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  Speaker 1: You know the I was gonna say for those who
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  Speaker 1: do do I'm laughing because russ Is texted be probably
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  Speaker 1: like seven to eight different times about David Bailey and
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  Speaker 1: his frustrations with him versus what the larger scale thoughts
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  Speaker 1: on him. So as soon as you said it just
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  Speaker 1: made me laugh.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, and it's just like so like and we'll get
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  Speaker 2: into all of it. But like I, I like the class,
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  Speaker 2: but I do have concerns with it. Like you know,
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  Speaker 2: quarterback is obviously a huge concern. I think Ty Simpson
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  Speaker 2: in the first round is crazy. It's a big swing.
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  Speaker 2: I think Mendoz is the best player in the draft.
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  Speaker 2: But again I've been wrong with quarterback evaluation one hundred
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  Speaker 2: different times. But collectively, I love the offensive tackle class.
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  Speaker 2: I think it's a great year for a nickel. You know,
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  Speaker 2: you look, you look at Trade and Stokes from Arizona.
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  Speaker 2: Love his skill set as a nickel. I don't like
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  Speaker 2: him as a safety per se. I like him more
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  Speaker 2: closer to the box in the alley. Uh, same thing
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  Speaker 2: with Keante Scott. I don't like him on the perimeter,
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  Speaker 2: but I love him in the alley and I can
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  Speaker 2: blitz him one of my favorite players.
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  Speaker 1: I'll take Keanty Scott anywhere. Shout out to the Hurricanes.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think he's one of the best players in
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  Speaker 2: this just you know, collectively, and then you know, you know,
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  Speaker 2: you you go even a little bit further, you know,
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  Speaker 2: you look at D'Angelo Pond's right, like, pound for pound,
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  Speaker 2: one of the best players you know, probably in the
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  Speaker 2: draft as well, just because of his size and some
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  Speaker 2: of the limitations, but he makes it happen. But Edge
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  Speaker 2: love the edge class. I think there's a lot of
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  Speaker 2: good players here. There's some questions though, because you have
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  Speaker 2: guys that are older, you have guys that have injuries.
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  Speaker 2: You have players like Casius Howell who have shorter arms
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  Speaker 2: by far the shortest arms that we've seen. Uh, and
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  Speaker 2: it's you know, so there's there's questions. But you mentioned
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  Speaker 2: nose right, and I think noses really interesting because I
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  Speaker 2: don't think the Bills necessarily they might go that way
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  Speaker 2: at twenty six, I don't know, but they might have
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  Speaker 2: a couple guys that just fall right in their laps,
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  Speaker 2: like the Hunter might just be there, Peter Woods might
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  Speaker 2: fall in their lap. Not necessarily, a nose might be
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  Speaker 2: more of like a three tech, but again a guy
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  Speaker 2: that you can play in various spots. You've got Caleb
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  Speaker 2: Banks odd year right, odd production, broken foot running on it.
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  Speaker 2: You can tell that it was broken. He's running on
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  Speaker 2: it at the forty.
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  Speaker 1: Him getting hurt in the off sea and I was like,
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  Speaker 1: of course, like let's muddy this thing even more and
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  Speaker 1: let's have it. Yeah, hurt in the season. Yeah, I
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  Speaker 1: texted you. I think I DMed it to you when
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  Speaker 1: it happened.
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  Speaker 2: I was like, dude, yeah, And it's like one of
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  Speaker 2: those things where it's like, you know, he crushed the
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  Speaker 2: Senior Bowl, had a great Senior Bowl, and it's just
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  Speaker 2: one of those things. I will say love the linebacker class.
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  Speaker 2: I think it's a great year for a linebacker. Speaking
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  Speaker 2: from a Lion's perspective, I you know, I hate seeing
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  Speaker 2: Alex Angeloni leave Detroit, but at the same time, like
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  Speaker 2: if the Lions are going to go with like a
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  Speaker 2: lot of bass stuff, it's a good year to go
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  Speaker 2: get a guy. And I know we're going to talk
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  Speaker 2: about a lot of them, So I think you got
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  Speaker 2: a yeah, and you know safety too. I like, I
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  Speaker 2: like the class, but I still have a lot of
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  Speaker 2: question marks, and that goes with some of these top
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  Speaker 2: players like Dylan Thinman, I have question marks about the
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  Speaker 2: player graded out really well for me, Yeah, but I
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  Speaker 2: can still hate the grade and I could still question
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  Speaker 2: the I can like it, just I don't know what
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  Speaker 2: his true role is going to be in the NFL
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  Speaker 2: because of what happened this past year. So collectively like
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  Speaker 2: the class, don't love it, have question marks, but I
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  Speaker 2: think I think teams, like you said twenty five to
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  Speaker 2: sixty five and even parts of you know, rounds three,
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  Speaker 2: for rounds three through five for like a center, I
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  Speaker 2: think teams are gonna find, you know, some pretty good
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  Speaker 2: players in certain spots, but there's gonna be some big
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  Speaker 2: swings and misses, I think. And I think we're gonna
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  Speaker 2: probably talk about a couple of those guys tonight. Oh yeah.
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  Speaker 1: I like the way you kind of put that in perspective.
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  Speaker 1: I'm right there with you in lockstep for a lot
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  Speaker 1: of that, especially with the safety class. Like I think
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  Speaker 1: the safety safety class is so interesting because I feel
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  Speaker 1: like the type of safety you need could change individual
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  Speaker 1: teams as boards like do you need more of a
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  Speaker 1: box guy? Do you need more of a range guy? Like,
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  Speaker 1: if you need a range guy and a single high guy,
• 13:48
  Speaker 1: do you think Genesis Smith is awesome? Okay, do you
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  Speaker 1: need him to tackle it all? Because then like do
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  Speaker 1: you not think he's awesome because of that?
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  Speaker 2: Right?
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  Speaker 1: And then the fits are gonna change rankings based off that,
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  Speaker 1: And yeah, like even again, I think Theena min at
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  Speaker 1: the close to the top. You know he's behind Downs.
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  Speaker 1: For me, if anyone thinks Theenamon is safety number one, cool,
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  Speaker 1: I would strongly but teach their own. But even theme,
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  Speaker 1: you know, it's funny too, Like Theemon and Downs, I
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  Speaker 1: think Downs can do anything that you want as a
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  Speaker 1: safety within reason. I'm not trying to I'm not gonna
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  Speaker 1: sit here and say that Downs is like Sean Taylor,
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  Speaker 1: who to me is like the greatest prospect coming out
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  Speaker 1: and you know, before anybody jumps down my throat, like,
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  Speaker 1: especially as a Miami guy like Ed Reid, was not
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  Speaker 1: viewed as some like amazing prospect when he came out
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  Speaker 1: in that track he got picked at the end of
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  Speaker 1: the first round and was more like, oh okay, but he
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  Speaker 1: was not like slam dunk, this guy's gonna be amazing.
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  Speaker 1: Sean Taylor was seen as I don't think I'm even
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  Speaker 1: using this word in correctly. I think Sean Taylor was generational,
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  Speaker 1: like the size, the frame, the athleticism, he was unreal. Yes,
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  Speaker 1: So I don't think Downs is that level. You know
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  Speaker 1: if Sean Taylor, somebody put a Josiah Trotter comment in
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  Speaker 1: the chat already we're gonna get there. We're gonna get
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  Speaker 1: to a lot.
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  Speaker 2: Of like, oh yeah, we're gonna get it there.
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  Speaker 1: But it's funny even with Downs and Theenemen, like you
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  Speaker 1: look at how they played safety in college and Downs,
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  Speaker 1: even going back to last year, the year before in
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  Speaker 1: twenty twenty four, he was more of like the Tampa player,
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  Speaker 1: this monster man, do it all safety kind of guy
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  Speaker 1: used everywhere. Like it's not like he was like, oh yeah,
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  Speaker 1: like ton of reps in the post, ton of reps
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  Speaker 1: in split field. No, like they're using him in the box.
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  Speaker 1: He's used like as a rover and kind of all over. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: And Theenemon is essentially in that same mold going to
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  Speaker 1: Oregon and so you take I think those two guys
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  Speaker 1: at the top are so fun for as like a
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  Speaker 1: microcosm for the safety class because you take two of
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  Speaker 1: those two guys and it's like, okay, cool, could you
• 15:43
  Speaker 1: use either of them as traditional safety? Sure they could
• 15:45
  Speaker 1: work out there. Should you use him as something else
• 15:47
  Speaker 1: as more of like a big nickel rover? Sure? What's
• 15:51
  Speaker 1: the best for them? Are you really maximizing them? It
• 15:53
  Speaker 1: kind of makes me think, ironically a little bit of
• 15:56
  Speaker 1: like the Cooper Dejan talked from a couple of years ago,
• 15:59
  Speaker 1: where it was like, do you use him as an
• 16:01
  Speaker 1: outside corner? Do you use him as a nickel? Should
• 16:04
  Speaker 1: he transition to safety? It was like, oh, where do
• 16:06
  Speaker 1: you maximize the skill set? And I think Downs and
• 16:09
  Speaker 1: Theena men are so interesting for that safety spot, and
• 16:12
  Speaker 1: I think they're so representative of that safety group as
• 16:15
  Speaker 1: a whole. Actually, don't speaking of that. Let's just kind
• 16:18
  Speaker 1: of let's just lead off with that safety group, yeah,
• 16:21
  Speaker 1: and just continue that conversation. So, and also want to
• 16:24
  Speaker 1: make this engaging and interactive as we do for the
• 16:26
  Speaker 1: folks playing at home, joining us live, anyone and everyone
• 16:30
  Speaker 1: joining us live. Questions, thoughts, comes, concerns, Put it into
• 16:32
  Speaker 1: the chat as we go through different position groups. Put
• 16:35
  Speaker 1: them in. If you like a safety in round one,
• 16:37
  Speaker 1: let us know who if you have a safety target
• 16:40
  Speaker 1: on Day two, Day three whatever you got, put it
• 16:42
  Speaker 1: into the chat. Super chats always get a priority because
• 16:45
  Speaker 1: I respect the monetary donation and the light and color
• 16:49
  Speaker 1: distracts me from my notes. But yeah, let's continue that
• 16:51
  Speaker 1: safety conversation. Downs not going to be there at twenty
• 16:56
  Speaker 1: six for the Bills, even with the whole Like you know, uh,
• 17:00
  Speaker 1: in knee injury is a degenerative. I'd be like cool,
• 17:03
  Speaker 1: I wouldn't take him in the top twenty five. I'd
• 17:04
  Speaker 1: take you twenty six up. So Down's is not going
• 17:07
  Speaker 1: to be there. Let's start with Dylan Theeneman. I think
• 17:10
  Speaker 1: for most folks he is the safety too. I know
• 17:14
  Speaker 1: for a lot of Bills fans, he garnered a lot
• 17:16
  Speaker 1: of attention when he ran that sub four four forty
• 17:19
  Speaker 1: who I think was like what four three seven or whatever.
• 17:21
  Speaker 1: It was just that that ability there and the testing,
• 17:27
  Speaker 1: and you combine that with playing in Oregon's defense, and
• 17:30
  Speaker 1: you know some of the plays he made. Let's talk
• 17:31
  Speaker 1: about Dylan Theeneman. I think he, aside from David Bailey,
• 17:35
  Speaker 1: I think Theenemon is the player you and I have
• 17:37
  Speaker 1: texted about the most, uh this draft cycle. So let's
• 17:41
  Speaker 1: lead off with Phenemen. Do you think he makes it
• 17:44
  Speaker 1: to twenty six. Let's and then let's talk about him
• 17:47
  Speaker 1: as a player and a prospect, and then we'll go
• 17:49
  Speaker 1: into his fit and other potential safeties as well.
• 17:52
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so for for full transparency for everybody out there.
• 17:57
  Speaker 2: And before I get started, my best friend Dan Shanaw
• 18:01
  Speaker 2: with putting comments in the chat appreciate you, brother.
• 18:06
  Speaker 1: Man. I was like, that's gotta be one of Rust's boys.
• 18:08
  Speaker 2: Yeah. I don't know why he's got so many sixes
• 18:09
  Speaker 2: in his name. I don't know. March madness is coming up.
• 18:12
  Speaker 2: He's not ready to gamble. He's an absolute loser. It
• 18:15
  Speaker 2: is what it is.
• 18:15
  Speaker 1: Uh, you gamble too much. You gamble enough for everyone
• 18:18
  Speaker 1: to do.
• 18:18
  Speaker 2: It's not a problem. It's not a problem. My house
• 18:21
  Speaker 2: is fine. Uh anyway, I can stop anytime I want,
• 18:26
  Speaker 2: just push the button. Uh. So Dylan Theeneman man, you know,
• 18:31
  Speaker 2: like for him, I I look at how other players
• 18:36
  Speaker 2: have been viewed, like you mentioned Cooper dejene right, you
• 18:39
  Speaker 2: mentioned maybe not necessarily you, but like other people are
• 18:43
  Speaker 2: looking for how the Seattle Seahawks go about their their defense,
• 18:46
  Speaker 2: nick I mana worri and going out and getting those
• 18:49
  Speaker 2: versatile defensive backs that can be effective in the box, single, high,
• 18:54
  Speaker 2: split safety, you name it, moving all the way around.
• 18:58
  Speaker 2: And like when I look at Dylan Theeneman, I don't
• 19:00
  Speaker 2: feel like his tape really is as good as those
• 19:05
  Speaker 2: players that we're talking about trying to compare him to
• 19:08
  Speaker 2: for his specific role. But at the same time, when
• 19:12
  Speaker 2: I put him through the grade, his grade still is there,
• 19:15
  Speaker 2: and it's just like, maybe I'm just a hater and
• 19:18
  Speaker 2: I maybe just need to let it go because I
• 19:21
  Speaker 2: struggle with what his role is because of how he
• 19:24
  Speaker 2: was used at Oregon. Like I don't see and I
• 19:27
  Speaker 2: don't think there's gonna be a lot of teams And
• 19:28
  Speaker 2: maybe I'm wrong, maybe this is shifting, but I don't
• 19:31
  Speaker 2: think there's a lot of teams out there that like
• 19:32
  Speaker 2: to go with three high safety sets. And I always
• 19:35
  Speaker 2: felt like whenever I watched him at Oregon, I felt
• 19:37
  Speaker 2: like there was limitations with him. And then when I
• 19:40
  Speaker 2: put on Purdue, I see, like there's a little bit
• 19:41
  Speaker 2: more fluidity. Yeah, he's a little bit he's a little
• 19:44
  Speaker 2: bit more free.
• 19:45
  Speaker 1: Yeah, more true safety stuff at Purdue, but a bit
• 19:48
  Speaker 1: more there. Yeah.
• 19:50
  Speaker 2: But even then, like when I watched him play in
• 19:52
  Speaker 2: Nebraska at Purdue, he was still playing that roverspot and
• 19:55
  Speaker 2: I'm like, maybe this is just where he excels and
• 19:58
  Speaker 2: maybe a team in the NFL will develop that further defense,
• 20:01
  Speaker 2: or maybe he just falls in the lap to like
• 20:03
  Speaker 2: twenty three to the Philadelphia Eagles because they move on
• 20:06
  Speaker 2: from Reid, Blank and Ship and that's the guy they get,
• 20:09
  Speaker 2: right Like, So I do struggle with his evaluation, but overall,
• 20:13
  Speaker 2: like he earned a six point seven overall grade out
• 20:16
  Speaker 2: of ten on my board, which is a second round grade.
• 20:18
  Speaker 2: But he's gonna be a player that is a fringe
• 20:22
  Speaker 2: first round draft pick when it's all said and done,
• 20:25
  Speaker 2: because he's a physical player that triggers downhill, he can
• 20:28
  Speaker 2: patrol the alley. He shows great range over the top
• 20:31
  Speaker 2: when he's do When he's playing that role, he will
• 20:34
  Speaker 2: match up well versus tight ends up the seam. So
• 20:37
  Speaker 2: he's gonna carry with those guys. But as we've talked
• 20:40
  Speaker 2: about in the past, like that doesn't necessarily wow me.
• 20:43
  Speaker 2: You should carry with a tight end because you are
• 20:45
  Speaker 2: a defensive back. You are the smaller of the two.
• 20:48
  Speaker 2: You're not two hundred and sixty pounds running a go
• 20:50
  Speaker 2: route or a post s route. You're two maybe two
• 20:53
  Speaker 2: hundred twenty eight at the most so. But but I
• 20:57
  Speaker 2: think he's got to improve his angles. I think he's
• 20:59
  Speaker 2: got to be a little bit more active at the
• 21:00
  Speaker 2: catch point. I think there are times that he kind
• 21:02
  Speaker 2: of bounces off of contact, like stops his feet. So realistically,
• 21:08
  Speaker 2: I don't I don't think he'll be there for the
• 21:10
  Speaker 2: Bills at twenty six, but I could see him there
• 21:15
  Speaker 2: just because of like comparing him to other players. A
• 21:18
  Speaker 2: lot of these guys that we've talked about in the past,
• 21:20
  Speaker 2: Nika Mana Warri and Cooper de Gen, they end up
• 21:23
  Speaker 2: going on Day two. And when we get into some
• 21:25
  Speaker 2: of the linebackers, guy like a guy like Josiah Trotter,
• 21:27
  Speaker 2: who I'm very high on, and I'll get into him,
• 21:30
  Speaker 2: but he'll probably be a Day two pick. But realistically,
• 21:33
  Speaker 2: I love the skill set and I think he's more
• 21:36
  Speaker 2: of a top twenty five player. And now I'm saying,
• 21:38
  Speaker 2: Dylan Theman is gonna be a top thirty, top thirty
• 21:41
  Speaker 2: two player for me. So he's just kind of on
• 21:43
  Speaker 2: that outside. But I like a skill set, I really do.
• 21:46
  Speaker 2: I just don't know if he's gonna be there. Like Minnesota,
• 21:48
  Speaker 2: you get to Minnesota at eighteen in a mock draft,
• 21:50
  Speaker 2: and you're like, Dylan Theeman. They need a safety so bad.
• 21:53
  Speaker 1: Especially at that type of defense and what they do
• 21:55
  Speaker 1: in the quarters, pressures and everything, like he just fits
• 21:58
  Speaker 1: with his skill set.
• 21:59
  Speaker 2: Even think, yeah, in another team too, is Carolina, like
• 22:02
  Speaker 2: the pick right after. And I only say Carolina because
• 22:06
  Speaker 2: of how much they've spent on that front seven, getting
• 22:09
  Speaker 2: linebackers there, getting defensive ends there. You bring in a
• 22:14
  Speaker 2: guy like this, now he's kind of got free range
• 22:16
  Speaker 2: to do whatever you need him to do, and you've
• 22:18
  Speaker 2: got him on you know, essentially that that five year contract.
• 22:21
  Speaker 2: So Dylan themon I wouldn't necessarily get all up in
• 22:25
  Speaker 2: arms and think that's our guy at twenty six because
• 22:27
  Speaker 2: I just don't know if he's gonna be there. I
• 22:28
  Speaker 2: think there's too many teams that make sense for him.
• 22:31
  Speaker 2: But like if he goes to a team like the Jets,
• 22:33
  Speaker 2: I am scared for his life because I don't see
• 22:37
  Speaker 2: I don't see how it works. I just I think
• 22:39
  Speaker 2: Aaron Glenn's gonna be gone by a Halloween. So like
• 22:41
  Speaker 2: I don't see how it works, you know what I mean?
• 22:42
  Speaker 1: Like, yeah, yeah, yeah, No, I think I think those
• 22:45
  Speaker 1: are all fair points for me. Everything with Theeneman starts
• 22:48
  Speaker 1: with you know, you talked a lot of a lot
• 22:52
  Speaker 1: about it, like what he is as a player. You know,
• 22:54
  Speaker 1: you've broken that down, and I'm in locked up with you,
• 22:56
  Speaker 1: and I really wonder against Like, yeah, the backdrop of
• 22:58
  Speaker 1: the league, like I and what I'm about to say
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: is not revelatory, but like, the nickel position has been
• 23:04
  Speaker 1: a premier position and mattered a lot in football for years.
• 23:07
  Speaker 1: It hasn't been paid that way, but it's mattered a lot.
• 23:10
  Speaker 1: Like the Bills, for example, we're at the forefront of
• 23:13
  Speaker 1: that move and you had Taron Johnson. You could live
• 23:15
  Speaker 1: in nickel ninety percent of the time and still play
• 23:18
  Speaker 1: the run against spread looks when the league was more
• 23:21
  Speaker 1: spread run, and then do what you wanted against the
• 23:23
  Speaker 1: pass as well. Then the league has shifted. We know
• 23:26
  Speaker 1: the past couple of years, what do we got. We
• 23:28
  Speaker 1: got condensed formations, we got heavier personnel, group rings, we
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: got multiple tight ends, we got a full back and
• 23:33
  Speaker 1: multiple tight ends. It's heavier, and so now it's like
• 23:36
  Speaker 1: do we have to go back to base now? But
• 23:38
  Speaker 1: then you have teams like the Rams that are like yeah, yeah, yeah,
• 23:41
  Speaker 1: we're gonna go in thirteen personnel. Yeah, yeah, yeah, you
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: should go to base psych. We're just gonna pass a
• 23:45
  Speaker 1: bunch out of it. Now, what are you gonna do
• 23:46
  Speaker 1: Because you're in base and your guys can't match with
• 23:48
  Speaker 1: their tight ends. And then you've got teams like the
• 23:52
  Speaker 1: Eagles and the Seahawks who can play those big nickel looks,
• 23:57
  Speaker 1: or even the Cardinals for the past couple of years,
• 23:59
  Speaker 1: like you might someone might say like, oh, their defense
• 24:01
  Speaker 1: has been terrible. When they were healthy, their defense has
• 24:03
  Speaker 1: been good, and it was like, Oh, they got Buddha,
• 24:05
  Speaker 1: and they got Jalen Thompson, and they got Garret Williams,
• 24:08
  Speaker 1: who can they flip back there? And then they got
• 24:09
  Speaker 1: dude from Texas Tech to Darien Thompson and it's like, Oh,
• 24:12
  Speaker 1: all these guys they can rotate it. And I'm wondering
• 24:16
  Speaker 1: how much how much does the league chase the M
• 24:20
  Speaker 1: and Worry body type or skill set? Right that idea,
• 24:23
  Speaker 1: because I remember you and I talking about him last
• 24:26
  Speaker 1: year and I said this a lot like because Bills
• 24:29
  Speaker 1: fans were like, oh, take m and Warry, take him
• 24:31
  Speaker 1: and Worry, And I wasn't high on him because didn't
• 24:33
  Speaker 1: see him as a true safety, and I was like,
• 24:35
  Speaker 1: where does he fit? And then Seattle took him and
• 24:37
  Speaker 1: they were like, well, we're just gonna make him essentially
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: a big nickel quasi linebacker, and look how good he did.
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: I wonder how many teams chase the big nickel or
• 24:45
  Speaker 1: three safety looks as this way to kind of limit
• 24:49
  Speaker 1: how much they can be dictated to and limit how
• 24:52
  Speaker 1: much offenses can tell them what to do. And instead
• 24:55
  Speaker 1: of matching with personnel, you can go big nickel and
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: now you can kind of be you know, set against personnel,
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: but also situation you don't have to worry about base
• 25:04
  Speaker 1: or nickel. You can live in a three safety look
• 25:06
  Speaker 1: because you have your nickel is a third safety and
• 25:08
  Speaker 1: can do box stuff, deep stuff, all of that. And yeah,
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: I just wonder how to how teams do teams want
• 25:15
  Speaker 1: to chase that as a role in a defense, And
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: then what do they see with for theenem And do
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: they think, oh, you know, hey, he can be a
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: regular safety, we're going to play split high with him,
• 25:23
  Speaker 1: we'll play single high, or do they think he is
• 25:26
  Speaker 1: better suited for a rover roll in the NFL or
• 25:29
  Speaker 1: whatever it is. I think it's such an interestant conversation
• 25:31
  Speaker 1: and then you backdrop it with his snaps. I just
• 25:34
  Speaker 1: think it's interesting. From twenty twenty three, so twenty twenty
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: three and twenty twenty four he was at Perdue. This
• 25:39
  Speaker 1: past year, twenty twenty five he was at Oregon. His
• 25:42
  Speaker 1: deep safety snaps by year, and these could be in
• 25:45
  Speaker 1: a single high so him in the post, or it
• 25:47
  Speaker 1: could be him in a too high perspective. They went
• 25:51
  Speaker 1: down each year, seven hundred and fifteen in twenty twenty three,
• 25:55
  Speaker 1: four hundred and fifty eight in twenty twenty four, and
• 25:58
  Speaker 1: then down to two hundred and six two this past
• 26:01
  Speaker 1: year with Oregon. And if you use the Oregon example,
• 26:03
  Speaker 1: this past year, so two hundred and sixty two deep
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: safety snaps, one hundred and nineteen in the slot, and
• 26:09
  Speaker 1: then four hundred and fifty in the box. Like he
• 26:12
  Speaker 1: was almost exclusively like a monster man apex type of
• 26:15
  Speaker 1: player again, that rover role. So I think it's interesting,
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: what do you want to do? What are you pair
• 26:22
  Speaker 1: him with? And for the Bills specifically, I think it's
• 26:23
  Speaker 1: interesting because I think Cole Bishop is best suited as
• 26:27
  Speaker 1: a big nickel, monster man apex type of dude and
• 26:29
  Speaker 1: he's improved deep a little bit. You could do that
• 26:32
  Speaker 1: with Bishop, you could do that with Phenemen Is safety
• 26:36
  Speaker 1: still a priority because you've grabbed Geno Stone and CJ.
• 26:39
  Speaker 1: Gardner Johnson. I think CJ. Gardner Johnson is the starter,
• 26:41
  Speaker 1: Geno Stone is depth. You can do a lot of
• 26:43
  Speaker 1: things with CJ. Gardner Johnson. I think it's an interesting conversation.
• 26:47
  Speaker 1: I think it's more interesting of phoenim In as the
• 26:50
  Speaker 1: player for the league and what he means, where he
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: fits all that kind of stuff well.
• 26:56
  Speaker 2: And the other thing too, is is like did the
• 26:57
  Speaker 2: did the bills go out and get you know, Johnson
• 27:00
  Speaker 2: and Gino Stone because they know Theenaman's not going to
• 27:03
  Speaker 2: be there, Like they know he's gonna be off the
• 27:04
  Speaker 2: board before then, So like, hey, we're not even gonna
• 27:07
  Speaker 2: bother putting this guy, like he'll be our top player
• 27:10
  Speaker 2: on the board, but we know we're not gonna get
• 27:11
  Speaker 2: him because he's gonna be gone because of some of
• 27:13
  Speaker 2: the reasons that we've talked about. And you know, I
• 27:16
  Speaker 2: don't know, he's such an interesting evaluation. I really liked
• 27:20
  Speaker 2: his tape overall. I just didn't like the certain usage.
• 27:23
  Speaker 2: I did like the range as far as getting downhill
• 27:26
  Speaker 2: the way he could scrape over the top fill the alley.
• 27:30
  Speaker 2: But again, there's still some form tackling stuff there. There's
• 27:32
  Speaker 2: there's just some overall technique issues that I see, and
• 27:36
  Speaker 2: I think back to like Jakwan Brisker when he was
• 27:38
  Speaker 2: coming out of Penn State. Loved his skill set. He
• 27:41
  Speaker 2: kind of played that rover role a little bit and
• 27:44
  Speaker 2: he would play down in the box and he went
• 27:46
  Speaker 2: forty eighth overall and he just signed a one year,
• 27:48
  Speaker 2: five million dollar contract. So I don't know what the
• 27:53
  Speaker 2: NFL thinks of these types of players. And that's where
• 27:55
  Speaker 2: I struggle with Theeneman overall. Again, I think he could
• 27:59
  Speaker 2: be there, but at this he's he's such a coin
• 28:03
  Speaker 2: flip because Derwin James he went seventeenth overall when he
• 28:07
  Speaker 2: was coming out. He's damn good, but he's kind of
• 28:09
  Speaker 2: a rover box player as well, closer to the line
• 28:12
  Speaker 2: of scrimmage Big Nickel. So I just don't know. I
• 28:16
  Speaker 2: just don't know.
• 28:17
  Speaker 1: Man.
• 28:17
  Speaker 2: He's a tough one. He's a very tough one to
• 28:19
  Speaker 2: start this show. And I know we're not convincing people
• 28:21
  Speaker 2: in any way, but if we're feeling this way, I
• 28:24
  Speaker 2: can only imagine what some NFL teams are feeling.
• 28:26
  Speaker 1: Like very fair and good point. Yeah, I just uh yeah,
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: And there's I think for theenem in what's what's tough
• 28:32
  Speaker 1: to me is I I respect the versatility and the
• 28:35
  Speaker 1: skill set, but there's nothing for me to hang my
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: hat on, Like I don't think he's rangy enough, and
• 28:42
  Speaker 1: I also don't think he's yes in coverage, And I
• 28:46
  Speaker 1: also don't think he's like you mentioned it, like, I
• 28:48
  Speaker 1: also don't think he's physical enough as a tackler with
• 28:50
  Speaker 1: how he bounces off dudes at times, so like I
• 28:52
  Speaker 1: feel like he's caught him between. But again, that's not
• 28:55
  Speaker 1: necessarily a bad thing, like because he's a jack of
• 28:57
  Speaker 1: all trades in a lot of ways. But is it,
• 28:58
  Speaker 1: like is that good enough? Do instead of having him
• 29:01
  Speaker 1: be a jack of all trades? Do you have him
• 29:04
  Speaker 1: hone in on two of those trades and try to
• 29:06
  Speaker 1: make him elite two or three things instead of having him,
• 29:10
  Speaker 1: you know, be pretty good at or above average to
• 29:13
  Speaker 1: pretty good at like five things? Which ones do you pick?
• 29:15
  Speaker 1: The role? Yeah, really interesting conversation with him, and then
• 29:19
  Speaker 1: let's kind of shift it to any other safeties. Is
• 29:21
  Speaker 1: there any other safety that you think could creep up
• 29:26
  Speaker 1: into the back end of round one, or if the
• 29:29
  Speaker 1: Bills were let's say they trade back in round one. Again,
• 29:31
  Speaker 1: I think that's a people have said of the comments.
• 29:33
  Speaker 1: I think that's very much on the table for the Bills,
• 29:35
  Speaker 1: especially with where the strength of this draft is. Like
• 29:37
  Speaker 1: Russ and I have talked about. But yeah, say they're
• 29:39
  Speaker 1: sitting there at twenty six or they do trade back,
• 29:41
  Speaker 1: is there another safety that creeps up for you a
• 29:45
  Speaker 1: little bit into potential back end of the first round,
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: early second overall and potential somebody you could see fitting
• 29:50
  Speaker 1: for the Bills. Yeah.
• 29:52
  Speaker 2: I would be really curious about aj Halsey from LSU.
• 29:56
  Speaker 2: I think the NFL could be a little bit higher
• 29:58
  Speaker 2: on him. You look at ball skills the last two
• 30:01
  Speaker 2: seasons between Houston and LSU, and this is a guy
• 30:05
  Speaker 2: that has started every single year from New Mexico to
• 30:07
  Speaker 2: Houston to LSU. He's been around the block but forty
• 30:10
  Speaker 2: eight games played in his career, but last two seasons
• 30:15
  Speaker 2: he is tallied over one hundred and sixty tackles, eight interceptions,
• 30:19
  Speaker 2: twelve pass deflections, always around the football. I think teams
• 30:23
  Speaker 2: that like you know, single high cover one, where he
• 30:26
  Speaker 2: can either buzz down or he can play that single
• 30:30
  Speaker 2: high role, or even if you're running cover three and
• 30:32
  Speaker 2: again he can buzz down, or he can be right
• 30:35
  Speaker 2: in the middle of the field just playing that middle third.
• 30:38
  Speaker 2: I think there's a lot to be desired there. I
• 30:41
  Speaker 2: love how he triggers downhill. I think he's well built
• 30:44
  Speaker 2: at six one two oh five, kind of has that
• 30:46
  Speaker 2: muscular build to him. Has kind of a little bit
• 30:48
  Speaker 2: of Marcus may to his game if people remember him
• 30:51
  Speaker 2: when he was coming out. So I like him a
• 30:54
  Speaker 2: little bit. I think he's late triggering in zone. He
• 30:57
  Speaker 2: gives up a little bit of too much of a cushion.
• 30:59
  Speaker 2: Specifically with like in and outbreaking routes. It looks like
• 31:03
  Speaker 2: he more so like triggers down to get in the
• 31:05
  Speaker 2: way at times, not necessarily to like jump a route
• 31:10
  Speaker 2: or you know, make a play on the football. It's
• 31:13
  Speaker 2: more so just to kind of get in the way
• 31:15
  Speaker 2: and kind of take up space. And even in the
• 31:17
  Speaker 2: run game, it's more so with that where he's getting
• 31:20
  Speaker 2: in the way. I felt like he could get flat
• 31:22
  Speaker 2: footed at times, but just the way he can rotate
• 31:25
  Speaker 2: and coverage, the way that he can buzz down, the physicality,
• 31:27
  Speaker 2: the ball skills, there's much to be desired. And I
• 31:30
  Speaker 2: think when you look at, you know, teams that need safeties,
• 31:33
  Speaker 2: because there's actually a lot of teams that need safety help.
• 31:35
  Speaker 2: Miami could be a team, Kansas City could be a team.
• 31:38
  Speaker 2: And you look at you know, those teams at twenty
• 31:40
  Speaker 2: nine and thirty, potentially New England at thirty one or
• 31:44
  Speaker 2: even Seattle at at thirty two. I think there's enough
• 31:46
  Speaker 2: teams at that back end where if we get a
• 31:48
  Speaker 2: little bit of a run where like Dylan Thieman's gone,
• 31:52
  Speaker 2: you know, Emmanuel McNeil, Warren's gone, obviously, Caleb Downs, if
• 31:56
  Speaker 2: a team doesn't feel like they can get that you know,
• 31:57
  Speaker 2: that next safety in the second round, because there's start
• 32:00
  Speaker 2: to be a run between like picks thirty five to fifty,
• 32:03
  Speaker 2: teams like Kansas City or Miami, I think they could
• 32:06
  Speaker 2: go after aj Halsey a little bit and he might
• 32:09
  Speaker 2: go a little bit sooner than something. But he's probably
• 32:11
  Speaker 2: more of a you know, more of a Day two pick.
• 32:13
  Speaker 2: But I like his skill set quite a bit as
• 32:15
  Speaker 2: a as a potential sleeper, and.
• 32:17
  Speaker 1: I think the skill set in the size and frame,
• 32:20
  Speaker 1: like you mentioned, is really interesting You and ever. Actually again,
• 32:23
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna probably say this a bunch because we text
• 32:25
  Speaker 1: all the time, but you and I were talking about
• 32:27
  Speaker 1: him at some point over the last month or so. Yeah,
• 32:30
  Speaker 1: I remember watching him during the season and I was
• 32:33
  Speaker 1: just like, man, like, that's a big safety and then
• 32:36
  Speaker 1: like watching him break on the ball and like bait
• 32:38
  Speaker 1: the quarterback and make plays, and I was like, Oh,
• 32:41
  Speaker 1: that's a really athletic play and good ball skills for
• 32:43
  Speaker 1: like a bigger type of safety. And yeah, I just
• 32:45
  Speaker 1: feel like there's at certain points, like the traits and
• 32:49
  Speaker 1: the physical aspect, I think like teams tie into that,
• 32:53
  Speaker 1: and then he's got some production on top of it.
• 32:56
  Speaker 1: And I don't think after downs and Theeneman, I don't
• 33:00
  Speaker 1: think there is a consensus like third safety. Like I
• 33:04
  Speaker 1: think some teams could like Emmanuel MacNeil Warren. I think
• 33:07
  Speaker 1: some teams could like Halsey. I know there's people out
• 33:11
  Speaker 1: there that might really like to Key Wheatley from Penn Staton.
• 33:13
  Speaker 1: Maybe he's the safety three. So yeah, I don't think
• 33:15
  Speaker 1: there's a consensus safety three there. And I want a
• 33:19
  Speaker 1: couple of names in the chat, and I know one
• 33:21
  Speaker 1: of them we talked about already thoughts on Bud Clark
• 33:26
  Speaker 1: safety from Chistu. Yep, let's talk about him, and then
• 33:29
  Speaker 1: let's talk about Jayleen Kilgore after that, because again another
• 33:32
  Speaker 1: guy that you and I were texting about the other day.
• 33:34
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so you know, Jalen Kilgore, just to kind of
• 33:37
  Speaker 2: to start there, I'm not sold with him. Kind of
• 33:40
  Speaker 2: the same thing with Kamari Ramsey. I I just I
• 33:43
  Speaker 2: got I got through two games with both those players,
• 33:47
  Speaker 2: and I just didn't see it. If you need to
• 33:49
  Speaker 2: handle that, I saw that pop in the Yeah, I was.
• 33:52
  Speaker 1: Appreciate you, Arthur. So, Arthur, thank you very much for Beata.
• 33:54
  Speaker 1: Thank you for the super chat. So Arthur says old
• 33:57
  Speaker 1: school flashbacks with Russ, and then he Russ, I don't
• 34:00
  Speaker 1: know if you'll get this, so this inside joke, so
• 34:02
  Speaker 1: Arthur says, Now, all we need is some motorcycle sound effects.
• 34:04
  Speaker 1: So before I moved this past year, I don't know
• 34:08
  Speaker 1: what it was, but every time I do a show,
• 34:12
  Speaker 1: film room, disguise coverage, anything, I'd get like mad motorcycles
• 34:17
  Speaker 1: driving by all the time, and you'd hear them just
• 34:19
  Speaker 1: rip through the show and he'd be raining. Sometimes it'd
• 34:20
  Speaker 1: be in like the first minute. Sometimes it'd be in
• 34:22
  Speaker 1: the last ten, sometimes it'd be in the middle, sometimes
• 34:24
  Speaker 1: it'd be multiple. So Arthur is bringing that gem back
• 34:28
  Speaker 1: and tying it with the old sipate beast. I appreciate you, Arthur,
• 34:30
  Speaker 1: thank you very much. That was very good. That got
• 34:31
  Speaker 1: a good laugh out of me. I hated those motor
• 34:33
  Speaker 1: every time because, like we record the film room at
• 34:36
  Speaker 1: different spots, So the fact that it would happen like
• 34:38
  Speaker 1: through it and it was like fall summer winter nine
• 34:41
  Speaker 1: at night, five in the afternoon, three in the afternoon,
• 34:44
  Speaker 1: seven at night, I was just dude. And so the
• 34:46
  Speaker 1: joke was just like somebody out there is watching the
• 34:49
  Speaker 1: show on their phone, just getting ready and be like,
• 34:51
  Speaker 1: oh he started the show and just rev it up
• 34:53
  Speaker 1: and ride by like that's just your neighbor. That probably
• 34:59
  Speaker 1: was like I hate let me do this fair, but yeah,
• 35:02
  Speaker 1: finished with your kill Gore thoughts appreciate you.
• 35:05
  Speaker 2: Yeah, no, just with kill Gore. I just felt like
• 35:07
  Speaker 2: there were times like a lot of hesitation within his game.
• 35:10
  Speaker 2: I just was always waiting for him to like do something,
• 35:13
  Speaker 2: and when like like you gotta I'm not saying like
• 35:16
  Speaker 2: right off the rip, you gotta do something, I'll wait
• 35:18
  Speaker 2: all game. I mean, David Bailey is a prime example.
• 35:20
  Speaker 2: You watch a Utah game, you wait till the fourth
• 35:22
  Speaker 2: quarter in the last drive for him to do anything
• 35:23
  Speaker 2: in the game. But you know, don't mean to bring
• 35:27
  Speaker 2: up all things. I just won't let it go. I'll
• 35:30
  Speaker 2: never like you just wait to.
• 35:32
  Speaker 1: Just dig that put that knife.
• 35:33
  Speaker 2: In there, gonna buy the jersey and burn it for
• 35:36
  Speaker 2: no reason. But Bud Clark, but kill I'm all over
• 35:41
  Speaker 2: the place tonight. Kill Gore. Just I always felt like
• 35:44
  Speaker 2: I was waiting around for him to to kind of
• 35:46
  Speaker 2: make a move, hesitating in coverage, whether it be getting
• 35:50
  Speaker 2: flat footed or letting a guy get by, and then
• 35:53
  Speaker 2: you're just kind of waiting to flip your hips. Those
• 35:55
  Speaker 2: were movements that I noticed with him at times, and
• 35:58
  Speaker 2: then just kind of getting caught looking at the quarterback
• 36:00
  Speaker 2: like you're playing in the SEC, you're playing at South Carolina.
• 36:03
  Speaker 2: You can't like that can't happen, Like that's one of
• 36:06
  Speaker 2: those things like if I'm viewing you as a top
• 36:08
  Speaker 2: fifty pick or a top seventy five pick, you got
• 36:10
  Speaker 2: to have some flow, some fluidity in your game. And
• 36:13
  Speaker 2: I just didn't feel like Kilgore brought that as far
• 36:16
  Speaker 2: as like Bud Clark, though, you put it on and
• 36:18
  Speaker 2: you just see the fluidity and you can't stop. Because
• 36:21
  Speaker 2: he's got great production, great ball skills. He reads and
• 36:25
  Speaker 2: reacts super quick, shows the desired you know, click and
• 36:29
  Speaker 2: close ability to just whether it be an inbreaking route
• 36:32
  Speaker 2: or over the top, He's just got that ability to
• 36:35
  Speaker 2: close that gap between him and a player consistently.
• 36:39
  Speaker 1: I think even when he's moving backwards too. There was
• 36:41
  Speaker 1: a rep against Arizona State. He's it's it's cover three sky,
• 36:47
  Speaker 1: so he's covering the flat and he buzzes down and
• 36:49
  Speaker 1: covers the flat and they try to throw a corner
• 36:51
  Speaker 1: behind him and he three quarter turns yeah and runs
• 36:55
  Speaker 1: it like he doesn't turn and run that way, He
• 36:58
  Speaker 1: just like three quarters and it's so fast, and I
• 37:02
  Speaker 1: was like, oh, and I think it was Jordan Tyson.
• 37:05
  Speaker 1: And Tyson ended up making the catch because he's sweet.
• 37:07
  Speaker 1: But the fact that Clark got there, that it was
• 37:10
  Speaker 1: early in the game, I was like, oh, and that
• 37:13
  Speaker 1: would and then like let alone running forward, his speed
• 37:16
  Speaker 1: and his clothes is real and sorry, I just I
• 37:19
  Speaker 1: got really excited when I saw that. I'm right there
• 37:21
  Speaker 1: with you.
• 37:22
  Speaker 2: Yeah, No, you're good. You're good. And I think, like
• 37:25
  Speaker 2: just when you see him, I see NFL safety, ready made,
• 37:29
  Speaker 2: ready to go. When I watched Kilgore, I didn't see
• 37:32
  Speaker 2: ready made. So like you want to draft him in
• 37:35
  Speaker 2: the third or fourth round, sure, But if I can
• 37:37
  Speaker 2: get Bud Clark in the third or fourth round, and
• 37:38
  Speaker 2: he's gonna play for me right now? Absolutely now there
• 37:41
  Speaker 2: are concerns older player are gonna be twenty five. Uh,
• 37:45
  Speaker 2: he's missed twelve games due to injury. He does bite
• 37:48
  Speaker 2: on play action quite a bit, and he'll allow receivers
• 37:50
  Speaker 2: to kind of creep on him and he won't always
• 37:53
  Speaker 2: close that gap. But overall, generally speaking, consistently through you know,
• 37:58
  Speaker 2: four games if Arizona State by u USC and Arizona
• 38:02
  Speaker 2: from twenty twenty four, Like, there's so much Kirby Joseph
• 38:04
  Speaker 2: to his game. There's not a ton. There's not a
• 38:07
  Speaker 2: ton of long speed concerns with him, you know, because
• 38:11
  Speaker 2: the way he can just kind of flip his hips.
• 38:13
  Speaker 2: He ran a four to four to one plenty explosive.
• 38:16
  Speaker 2: I think he's you know, fairly fairly instinctive obviously with
• 38:20
  Speaker 2: the ball skill. So I just I love so much
• 38:23
  Speaker 2: about Bud Clark in the way that he can play.
• 38:25
  Speaker 2: I think a single high safety, I can run a
• 38:28
  Speaker 2: ton of zone with him because of the range, man
• 38:32
  Speaker 2: coverag is gonna be there, because he's got the desired athleticism.
• 38:35
  Speaker 2: And I'm not saying this guy's a you know, generational
• 38:38
  Speaker 2: talent by any means. I know what you're getting with
• 38:40
  Speaker 2: the twenty five year old rookie, but again, ready made player.
• 38:44
  Speaker 2: Bud Clark all day long over probably quite a few
• 38:47
  Speaker 2: of these guys, whether it be even you know, another
• 38:52
  Speaker 2: guy we talked about, Bishop Fitzgerald. You know, I probably
• 38:55
  Speaker 2: again would still take Bud Clark.
• 38:57
  Speaker 1: Oh, I would take I would take Clark over Fitzgerald.
• 38:59
  Speaker 2: But I do like, yeah, yeah, and that would be
• 39:02
  Speaker 2: the other guy that I would I would have brought up.
• 39:03
  Speaker 2: But again that's definitely a little bit later. Yes, the range,
• 39:08
  Speaker 2: the even like the nickel ability that he could provide
• 39:11
  Speaker 2: it to him like he's he's he's very impressive. But overall,
• 39:16
  Speaker 2: I really like the safety class. I didn't get into
• 39:18
  Speaker 2: Genesis Smith just because I know you're I know you're
• 39:22
  Speaker 2: not fully just anoise the hell out him.
• 39:24
  Speaker 1: Because he's just he just he's so smooth, in coverage,
• 39:29
  Speaker 1: like he is the single high. People are gonna make
• 39:32
  Speaker 1: the Kaylen Bullock comps, and I get it. Like, but
• 39:35
  Speaker 1: he's so good single high, the range, the ball, tracking
• 39:39
  Speaker 1: his gate, he's smooth. He's a smart, instinctual coverage player.
• 39:43
  Speaker 1: He's got good breaks on the ball, angles to the ball.
• 39:47
  Speaker 1: But he just seems like he's allergic to tackling. And
• 39:50
  Speaker 1: I know it played with a broken foot during the year,
• 39:53
  Speaker 1: so maybe that's throwing off some of you know him
• 39:55
  Speaker 1: going into come. Maybe he can't really push or brace
• 39:57
  Speaker 1: himself for contact. But there's just several reps where he
• 40:03
  Speaker 1: has the opportunity to annihilate someone and not only does
• 40:09
  Speaker 1: he not, because again he reads the routes well, like
• 40:13
  Speaker 1: he breaks, he's there, he's good, and not only does
• 40:17
  Speaker 1: he not annihilate guys, but he just like bounces off them,
• 40:22
  Speaker 1: and like it. I I think it's the it's the
• 40:25
  Speaker 1: Baylor game. I have it in my notes. Baylor game.
• 40:29
  Speaker 1: It's like a third and it's a close game. It's
• 40:30
  Speaker 1: in the fourth quarter. It's like a third and eleven,
• 40:34
  Speaker 1: and they run a drag to somebody and he triggers
• 40:36
  Speaker 1: down and he's right there. If he makes the stick
• 40:40
  Speaker 1: right there. It ends up being like fourth and six,
• 40:43
  Speaker 1: and I'm telling you he's there, he can annihilate this receiver. Instead,
• 40:48
  Speaker 1: he slows up and like pause at him, and the
• 40:52
  Speaker 1: receiver bounces off him, falls forward, turns it into a
• 40:56
  Speaker 1: fourth and two. Baylor goes for it and they get
• 40:58
  Speaker 1: the first down.
• 40:59
  Speaker 2: Yep.
• 41:00
  Speaker 1: And I just saw that so much on his tape
• 41:02
  Speaker 1: and I you don't have to be like amazing both ways, right,
• 41:06
  Speaker 1: You don't have to be this amazing physical presence and
• 41:08
  Speaker 1: this amazing rangy coverage based guy, but you got it, Like,
• 41:11
  Speaker 1: especially from a physicality standpoint, you got to have a
• 41:13
  Speaker 1: little something to you. And it's not like he struggles
• 41:16
  Speaker 1: because all the technique is there. He's playing out of control.
• 41:19
  Speaker 1: It's like he doesn't want to hit and that drives
• 41:21
  Speaker 1: me nuts. And what drives me even more nuts are
• 41:24
  Speaker 1: the people propping them up, like, oh, look at you. Dude,
• 41:26
  Speaker 1: didn't want to hit anybody. And again, maybe somebody knows
• 41:29
  Speaker 1: something I don't. Maybe it really was the foot, but
• 41:31
  Speaker 1: I would like to think that, Okay, the foot doesn't
• 41:34
  Speaker 1: bother you from speed turning and chasing down the ball,
• 41:37
  Speaker 1: but it bothers you to kind of Okay, it can
• 41:39
  Speaker 1: bother you pushing down and launching into contact, hitting a
• 41:42
  Speaker 1: little bit, but you could still form up a little bit.
• 41:45
  Speaker 1: You could still get in the guy's way. Again Devil's advocate.
• 41:48
  Speaker 1: But yeah, he just he just drives me nuts because
• 41:51
  Speaker 1: he's so good in coverage. He is the perfect compliment
• 41:54
  Speaker 1: to Cole Bishop. Stick him in the post, let him
• 41:56
  Speaker 1: rock and do whatever too high coverage pull let him rock. Yeah,
• 42:00
  Speaker 1: it's like he's allergic to tackling. And I don't think
• 42:02
  Speaker 1: that survives in the NFL.
• 42:05
  Speaker 2: No, You're absolutely right, it does not. But I think
• 42:08
  Speaker 2: if he were to go to a place like Buffalo,
• 42:10
  Speaker 2: I think Buffalo is an actual, really good landing spot
• 42:12
  Speaker 2: for him because I don't think Jim Leonard would allow
• 42:15
  Speaker 2: him to play that way of playing soft down here.
• 42:19
  Speaker 1: And I do wonder too, like would you like if
• 42:21
  Speaker 1: teams bring him in or if they're speaking to him
• 42:23
  Speaker 1: like in the draft process, like how much is it
• 42:25
  Speaker 1: like hey, you know, like you're gonna have to hit here, right,
• 42:28
  Speaker 1: And then like what's his thought? What's his answer? Is
• 42:30
  Speaker 1: he kind of like yeah, or is he like, oh no,
• 42:33
  Speaker 1: I'm willing to the reason I couldn't is because of X,
• 42:35
  Speaker 1: Y and Z or like no, the like yeah, what's
• 42:38
  Speaker 1: the thought? Is he a reluctant hitter and he's like
• 42:40
  Speaker 1: I know or is he like no, you got it
• 42:42
  Speaker 1: all wrong? Like I want to hit or I can hit,
• 42:45
  Speaker 1: I can tackle, I can do yeah, like I to do? Yeah?
• 42:48
  Speaker 1: What are teams willing to live with? Do they think
• 42:50
  Speaker 1: they can coach it out of them? Are they confident
• 42:52
  Speaker 1: he's already got it? Or maybe do they not even
• 42:54
  Speaker 1: care because they're like we don't care that you're not
• 42:56
  Speaker 1: gonna hit because you're gonna live in the post and
• 42:58
  Speaker 1: the ball's not getting past the second level anyway.
• 43:00
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, and that's the other thing too, Like I
• 43:02
  Speaker 2: think a lot of teams are gonna you know, there's
• 43:04
  Speaker 2: there's always that term, whether it be in scouting or
• 43:07
  Speaker 2: specifically in coaching. No, KYP know your personnel, So like
• 43:12
  Speaker 2: like I think that's gonna be something that teams approach
• 43:15
  Speaker 2: him with, is like, hey, we know who you are,
• 43:18
  Speaker 2: we know our personnel. We know that you're gonna be
• 43:20
  Speaker 2: that single high safety for us. You're gonna have a
• 43:24
  Speaker 2: ton of range and a ton of free range. And
• 43:26
  Speaker 2: like that was the thing, like I fell in love
• 43:28
  Speaker 2: with this tape from a coverage standpoint, and I think
• 43:31
  Speaker 2: back to like, you know, uh, the year Jesse Bates
• 43:37
  Speaker 2: from Wake Force. That is the player that that I
• 43:39
  Speaker 2: think of like when I watch him, not so much
• 43:42
  Speaker 2: from a physicality standpoint or just that range. Jesse Bates
• 43:45
  Speaker 2: had great freaking range.
• 43:48
  Speaker 1: I loved him at Wake Forest.
• 43:49
  Speaker 2: Yeah, like the range that he had was so awesome,
• 43:52
  Speaker 2: And I think, like when I watched Genesis Smith, it's
• 43:54
  Speaker 2: like remnants of that. But again, I don't think that's
• 43:58
  Speaker 2: a player that you're taking the first ground. I think
• 43:59
  Speaker 2: it's more, yeah, you're probably taking them somewhere in the
• 44:02
  Speaker 2: forties or fifties at the earliest. And we've had this
• 44:05
  Speaker 2: conversation in the past about players, this exact conversation about
• 44:10
  Speaker 2: players that maybe aren't overly physical, but they've got tons
• 44:12
  Speaker 2: of traits and athleticism. And these are gonna be guys
• 44:15
  Speaker 2: that we, you know, maybe pound the table for between
• 44:17
  Speaker 2: picks forty and fifty. They end up going at like
• 44:19
  Speaker 2: pick seventy, and that's probably gonna be Genesis Smith. But
• 44:22
  Speaker 2: he's gonna be a fine third round pick for a
• 44:24
  Speaker 2: team if that's where he ends up going. Ultimately, if
• 44:27
  Speaker 2: you can look past some of the physical issues that
• 44:29
  Speaker 2: he kind of lacks on tape, but overall, speaking safety class,
• 44:33
  Speaker 2: I like it.
• 44:34
  Speaker 1: I didn't.
• 44:35
  Speaker 2: I didn't get into you know, obviously everybody because we'd
• 44:37
  Speaker 2: probably be here all night. But those are just a
• 44:39
  Speaker 2: couple of names. The other the only other one I
• 44:41
  Speaker 2: would have you know throughout there was was VJ. Pain
• 44:44
  Speaker 2: from Kansas State. But maybe we I mean, I can
• 44:47
  Speaker 2: go in there, but we can say that for another
• 44:48
  Speaker 2: time if.
• 44:49
  Speaker 1: You want, you can mention a little bit on him,
• 44:51
  Speaker 1: if you like him, and then yeah, we'll move on
• 44:53
  Speaker 1: to the next position, grouping and first round targets for it.
• 44:56
  Speaker 2: Okay, Yeah, so I mean Pain for me, just holy
• 45:00
  Speaker 2: holy cow, is he physical like you want to do.
• 45:03
  Speaker 2: That's gonna lay the hammer. That's your guy. Six three
• 45:06
  Speaker 2: two oh six. He just flies around. He's gonna be
• 45:09
  Speaker 2: great in the box for a team. I love that
• 45:12
  Speaker 2: skill set for like I love box safeties. That's just
• 45:15
  Speaker 2: kind of my my jam. If you're not playing single high,
• 45:18
  Speaker 2: I want you down in the box. It's just the
• 45:19
  Speaker 2: way I am. And And that's VJ. Paint, you know,
• 45:23
  Speaker 2: in a in a in a nutshell, he's gonna be
• 45:24
  Speaker 2: able to give you a tons of versatility. He can
• 45:27
  Speaker 2: play all over, but I just felt like average ball skills,
• 45:32
  Speaker 2: he lacked some of that read and react ability that
• 45:36
  Speaker 2: safeties need to have when they're playing split safety or
• 45:38
  Speaker 2: even single high. That's why I liked him better in
• 45:41
  Speaker 2: the box, because he could read and react closer to
• 45:43
  Speaker 2: the football, and he could fill the alley. He can
• 45:46
  Speaker 2: get downhill, or he can scrape over the top. He
• 45:49
  Speaker 2: can have some of those run fits in the A
• 45:51
  Speaker 2: or B gap as well. I just I think there's
• 45:54
  Speaker 2: so much to be desired there and that I think
• 45:56
  Speaker 2: he's one of those guys that if he gets NFL coaching,
• 45:58
  Speaker 2: the right NFL coach, he could be a much better
• 46:01
  Speaker 2: pro than he was a college player. And he still
• 46:03
  Speaker 2: was a really good college football player. But I think
• 46:06
  Speaker 2: the better football for him is certainly in front of him.
• 46:11
  Speaker 2: And I think a team, you know, probably third fourth
• 46:14
  Speaker 2: round range is is gonna get a pretty a pretty
• 46:17
  Speaker 2: good special team player, but a great depth ple depth
• 46:20
  Speaker 2: depth piece uh to their defense.
• 46:23
  Speaker 1: I think that's super fair with pain and yeah, I
• 46:26
  Speaker 1: think that's fair. I wanted real quick I circle back
• 46:30
  Speaker 1: on Kilgore and Clark because I realized I didn't follow
• 46:33
  Speaker 1: it with that. Yeah, I think Killgore is more of
• 46:35
  Speaker 1: a big nickel than anything. My favorite rep of him
• 46:38
  Speaker 1: is when he carries he carries Jeremy Bernard all the
• 46:41
  Speaker 1: way downfield and then makes this awesome like athletic play,
• 46:44
  Speaker 1: undercuts it and knocks the ball down. But overall, yeah,
• 46:47
  Speaker 1: he gets turned around and coverage a bunch. He has
• 46:49
  Speaker 1: to speed and baseball turn a lot. His eyes need
• 46:52
  Speaker 1: to be quicker and better in coverage. He's better carrying
• 46:55
  Speaker 1: vertical and deep routes, and he like goes post slot fades.
• 46:59
  Speaker 1: He's better at that, and he is coming forward. He's athletic,
• 47:02
  Speaker 1: and he moves well with decent fluidity. But I put
• 47:05
  Speaker 1: there's a lot left to be desired, and I feel
• 47:06
  Speaker 1: like he doesn't maximize the size or the athleticism that
• 47:08
  Speaker 1: he has. Bud Clark, big fan. Just like you said,
• 47:13
  Speaker 1: good angles with the ball, good eyes, good anticipation. I
• 47:17
  Speaker 1: liked that he looks for work and he reads and
• 47:19
  Speaker 1: processes route distributions. And then you mentioned all the coverage stuff,
• 47:22
  Speaker 1: like this is a variety of coverage stuff he's doing
• 47:23
  Speaker 1: for TCU. He's in the post, he's doing split field stuff,
• 47:26
  Speaker 1: he's manning up against the slot. He's playing catchman, he's
• 47:29
  Speaker 1: playing down safety, he's playing straight up zone. He's playing
• 47:32
  Speaker 1: match coverage from a variety of alignments against a variety
• 47:35
  Speaker 1: of body types and skill sets. And so it's just cool.
• 47:39
  Speaker 1: I don't think he's any you know, I like the
• 47:40
  Speaker 1: forty time. I don't think he's any great like plus athlete.
• 47:43
  Speaker 1: But he's just I think he has good eyes, he's
• 47:45
  Speaker 1: got quick feet and enables him to close and move
• 47:49
  Speaker 1: some of the pieces like we talked about. Yeah, very fair.
• 47:52
  Speaker 1: What Oh, we gotta stop. It's Jason, Jason. Appreciate you
• 47:56
  Speaker 1: being here and think it for the super chat. Jason says,
• 47:58
  Speaker 1: I hope everyone is well. Hope save the Savers kick
• 48:01
  Speaker 1: the Knights. But tonight, Oh you're at the game now,
• 48:03
  Speaker 1: just checking in. We'll watch later, have a good show.
• 48:05
  Speaker 1: Appreciate you. Nobody spoil the game. I'm gonna be watching
• 48:08
  Speaker 1: it after this. Savers play at ten eastern against Vegas
• 48:11
  Speaker 1: West Coast trip uh. Russ is a Red Wings fan,
• 48:13
  Speaker 1: So everybody, let's throw out some booze for Russ.
• 48:15
  Speaker 2: We suck it's over ship sinking fire, everybody.
• 48:18
  Speaker 1: He gets it fair enough to appreciate.
• 48:23
  Speaker 2: In the words of in the words of Emilia Astavez
• 48:26
  Speaker 2: in Mighty Ducks, I hate hockey and I don't like kids.
• 48:29
  Speaker 1: That's very good. That's very fair.
• 48:31
  Speaker 2: That's very fair.
• 48:35
  Speaker 1: You want to do a linebacker next?
• 48:37
  Speaker 2: Hell yeah?
• 48:37
  Speaker 1: Talk about all right, muffle Bill's linebacker targets in round one,
• 48:43
  Speaker 1: slash early and some names to know. We're gonna talk
• 48:46
  Speaker 1: about several linebackers here. Uh, let's lead off with CJ.
• 48:50
  Speaker 1: Nfl Rees Oh yeah, yeah, I think Reesel'll be there.
• 48:54
  Speaker 1: Let's lead off with recent styles Bull should be there
• 48:56
  Speaker 1: at twenty six. Let's lead off with c J. Allen.
• 48:59
  Speaker 1: I want to lead off with Alan because I think
• 49:01
  Speaker 1: this is a name that gets mocked to the Bills
• 49:03
  Speaker 1: a lot by a lot of talking heads, a lot
• 49:06
  Speaker 1: of fans, just in general kind of you know, what
• 49:09
  Speaker 1: about CJ. Allen? Will he be there? Don't think he's
• 49:11
  Speaker 1: going to be there, so on and so forth. Let's
• 49:13
  Speaker 1: start with CJ. Allen and then move our way back
• 49:15
  Speaker 1: from there. So, what do you think about CJ. Allen
• 49:18
  Speaker 1: as a prospect, your evaluation of him? What are your thoughts?
• 49:22
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so, I mean, like my bottom line summary for
• 49:24
  Speaker 2: people physical linebacker prospect with twenty nine starts over three
• 49:29
  Speaker 2: year career. You can see Alan attack the opposition with
• 49:32
  Speaker 2: good burst closing speed. There's much to be desired with
• 49:36
  Speaker 2: his range and how he's able to chase down ball carriers.
• 49:40
  Speaker 2: He'll need to work on his pad level, and there
• 49:42
  Speaker 2: are times that his eyes deceive him and he'll play
• 49:45
  Speaker 2: far too patient when reading the backfield action or pollars. Fortunately,
• 49:50
  Speaker 2: he'll press polers at the line of scrimmage or in
• 49:52
  Speaker 2: the hole. He'll play physical at the point of attack
• 49:54
  Speaker 2: on a consistent basis. Good forum tackler that will have
• 49:58
  Speaker 2: no issues in the run game. Hand speed will need
• 50:01
  Speaker 2: to be improved against the opposition. There are times like
• 50:04
  Speaker 2: far too slow I think with hands and taking on blocks.
• 50:08
  Speaker 2: He can certainly get beat up the seam against you know,
• 50:12
  Speaker 2: vertical routes with tight ends or even slot receivers. But
• 50:16
  Speaker 2: Allen's ability to step in and become a starting caliber
• 50:18
  Speaker 2: mike for an NFL defense is certainly there at only
• 50:22
  Speaker 2: twenty one years of age. But I do think there
• 50:25
  Speaker 2: are I think there's another linebacker to be had before CJ. Allen.
• 50:30
  Speaker 2: I like the Yeah, I won't, okay, I won't. I
• 50:34
  Speaker 2: like the player but he is coming off of a
• 50:37
  Speaker 2: meniscous injury that he suffered against Texas in twenty twenty
• 50:41
  Speaker 2: five that that needed surgery. But again, he'll be twenty
• 50:44
  Speaker 2: one years old here in March. At some point he
• 50:47
  Speaker 2: might already be twenty one. I don't have his birthday
• 50:49
  Speaker 2: written down. But I really liked I like the player.
• 50:52
  Speaker 1: He just turned twenty one on March.
• 50:53
  Speaker 2: First, Okay, I like the player. I like the physicality.
• 50:58
  Speaker 2: I think, you know, the leadership quality. He's here there,
• 51:00
  Speaker 2: three year starter, a player that's been a captain almost
• 51:04
  Speaker 2: his entire tenure with with Georgia, and there's a lot
• 51:07
  Speaker 2: of people that rave about him, you know, whether it
• 51:10
  Speaker 2: be from scouts or whether it be with coaches. He's
• 51:13
  Speaker 2: He's an NFL caliber player, no doubt about it. I
• 51:17
  Speaker 2: just I like one other linebacker more than him. But
• 51:19
  Speaker 2: if if that was the guy for the for the
• 51:21
  Speaker 2: Bills there in the first round, I don't think I
• 51:24
  Speaker 2: would be too upset about it. I just if they're
• 51:27
  Speaker 2: passing on the next player that we're gonna talk about,
• 51:29
  Speaker 2: then I'd be like, I don't know about it. I
• 51:31
  Speaker 2: just don't know about that. But I like the player.
• 51:34
  Speaker 1: I like him Okay, fair, we'll get to your other
• 51:37
  Speaker 1: guy in a minute. Relax, my bad. I know you're good.
• 51:41
  Speaker 1: I I'm really torn on c Allen, okay, because it
• 51:47
  Speaker 1: starts for me. My cut guys scare me, and I
• 51:52
  Speaker 1: feel like he's high cut, and he is.
• 51:56
  Speaker 2: He plays high as ship my French, My my bad,
• 51:59
  Speaker 2: but he does.
• 52:01
  Speaker 1: And then you also add that with like he feels
• 52:04
  Speaker 1: and looks like stiff and tighten his hips, and then
• 52:07
  Speaker 1: he also feels like top heavy. He's got a bit
• 52:09
  Speaker 1: of like thinner lower body, thinner legs, so like the
• 52:13
  Speaker 1: high cut feels a little top heavy ass out just
• 52:18
  Speaker 1: gonna yeah it just like there's there's not a lot
• 52:22
  Speaker 1: of change of direction, fluidity movement to him. I love
• 52:27
  Speaker 1: the mental stuff he brings, like he is that prototypical
• 52:30
  Speaker 1: Georgia linebacker that is like like what Nacobe Dean was
• 52:33
  Speaker 1: like telling everybody where to go, what to do.
• 52:35
  Speaker 2: He's calling That's what I thought when I saw him too.
• 52:38
  Speaker 2: I don't mean to cut you off.
• 52:38
  Speaker 1: He's no, he's a bigger like Nacoby Dean, Like he's
• 52:41
  Speaker 1: taller than him, but it almost they're almost like he's
• 52:43
  Speaker 1: just almost like built similarly from a proportion standpoint, which
• 52:47
  Speaker 1: is really interesting. Yeah, I you know, not a great
• 52:53
  Speaker 1: coverage guy. You know, he makes some plays here and there,
• 52:56
  Speaker 1: but you're not having him like man up or carry
• 52:58
  Speaker 1: anybody like vertical. Like he can play some stuff underneath
• 53:00
  Speaker 1: a little bit, but he's not a strong coverage player.
• 53:03
  Speaker 1: But he's so good at getting the defense adjusted. He's
• 53:05
  Speaker 1: a really good communicator. He's telling guys in the front
• 53:08
  Speaker 1: what to do. He's calling out motions that are gonna
• 53:10
  Speaker 1: happen before they happen, and he's telling guys, watch for this,
• 53:14
  Speaker 1: do this, I'm taking care of this. He's still some
• 53:16
  Speaker 1: really good clicking close ability at times, and he is
• 53:20
  Speaker 1: a physical player. But then there's also times where like
• 53:22
  Speaker 1: he blitzes and there's some little running back in the
• 53:25
  Speaker 1: backfield and I'm like, oh, he's going to annihilate this guy,
• 53:28
  Speaker 1: and the running back just yeah, the running back just
• 53:30
  Speaker 1: picks him up and stonewalls him. And I'm like, oh,
• 53:33
  Speaker 1: like there's just yeah, I'm just not completely sold on him.
• 53:37
  Speaker 1: Like I like that he can plug a bit. I like,
• 53:39
  Speaker 1: you know, some of his block movements are nice, like
• 53:41
  Speaker 1: he'll take on guys, he'll use his hands or even
• 53:43
  Speaker 1: play through a chest or play through a shoulder and
• 53:45
  Speaker 1: get off the block and make the stick. There's times
• 53:48
  Speaker 1: where yeah, he's diagnosing and reading everything or pre stap
• 53:52
  Speaker 1: already knows where it's gonna go. And then other times,
• 53:54
  Speaker 1: like you said, like he's really late or he's just
• 53:56
  Speaker 1: kind of misled, and there's some inconsistency to it. I
• 53:59
  Speaker 1: like that, you know, I don't think he's gonna get
• 54:02
  Speaker 1: regularly swallowed up by interior offensive lineman at the NFL
• 54:04
  Speaker 1: level because of his smarts and his intelligence and his
• 54:07
  Speaker 1: size and the physicality. But I'm just it's gun huh,
• 54:15
  Speaker 1: trust your gut man. Yeah, there's just and I feel
• 54:17
  Speaker 1: I don't like boiling down to like one thing, but
• 54:19
  Speaker 1: just a high cut dude who looks top heavy and
• 54:23
  Speaker 1: has stiff or tightness in his hips worries the absolute
• 54:26
  Speaker 1: hell out of me. And then like he doesn't let
• 54:29
  Speaker 1: me let me check on from an arm length perspective. Yeah,
• 54:34
  Speaker 1: that's what I thought. He's got thirty one and a
• 54:36
  Speaker 1: half inch arms, which is twenty seven percent of so
• 54:38
  Speaker 1: he's got shorter arms, a thinner lower body, some stiffness
• 54:43
  Speaker 1: in the hips that scares me. And I get the
• 54:47
  Speaker 1: Georgia pedigree and the intelligence and playing at Kirby Smart's defense.
• 54:50
  Speaker 1: And again, if he was the guy at twenty six,
• 54:52
  Speaker 1: I also think that there's a very realistic shot that
• 54:54
  Speaker 1: he's there. If he was the guy at twenty six,
• 54:57
  Speaker 1: I wouldn't hate it. I wouldn't love it. And I
• 54:59
  Speaker 1: do you think he has the opportunity from like a
• 55:01
  Speaker 1: leadership standpoint and a mental standpoint to be a force
• 55:05
  Speaker 1: multiplier like right spot, right time, and then physicality and
• 55:08
  Speaker 1: doing different things like it not to be corny or
• 55:11
  Speaker 1: like play this card. It takes a lot to be
• 55:14
  Speaker 1: the leader of a Georgia defense, Like it takes a
• 55:17
  Speaker 1: lot from a personality standpoint, a talent standpoint, a mental standpoint,
• 55:21
  Speaker 1: it takes a lot. So like he's real on some level,
• 55:25
  Speaker 1: but there's stuff that I just I just have trepidation
• 55:27
  Speaker 1: watching him, Like I don't feel like I'm all the
• 55:29
  Speaker 1: way there, And a lot of it starts with just
• 55:31
  Speaker 1: the movement, the stiffness and tightness and the hips. I
• 55:33
  Speaker 1: just feel like that's a death sentence in the NFL,
• 55:36
  Speaker 1: Like like is he going to become a two down player?
• 55:39
  Speaker 1: Because like, how how often can you rely on him
• 55:42
  Speaker 1: in coverage, Like what coverages? Can you rely on him?
• 55:45
  Speaker 1: With the stop startability, change, the direction, fluidity, all those
• 55:50
  Speaker 1: kinds of things, like you just have to be so
• 55:52
  Speaker 1: on point with your keys and your wreaths to make
• 55:56
  Speaker 1: up for that that it worries me so again, if
• 55:58
  Speaker 1: he was the pick of twenty six, I do think
• 55:59
  Speaker 1: he has some nice in tangibles and strengths that I mentioned,
• 56:02
  Speaker 1: But he scares me a little bit, and I do
• 56:04
  Speaker 1: have some trepidation with him, but.
• 56:07
  Speaker 2: He I think there are a lot of folks well God,
• 56:10
  Speaker 2: I was just gonna say. Also, like how he plays
• 56:12
  Speaker 2: high cut. He also plays with like a narrow bass
• 56:15
  Speaker 2: and I don't under I don't understand it because it's
• 56:18
  Speaker 2: like he's just so upright up and down but like
• 56:20
  Speaker 2: super narrow, And I don't know if he does that
• 56:23
  Speaker 2: just to like maybe make himself faster to the football.
• 56:26
  Speaker 2: So it makes me wonder, like, if anything adjusts with
• 56:28
  Speaker 2: his current playing technique pre snap, is that going to
• 56:32
  Speaker 2: change him as a player with how he gets to
• 56:35
  Speaker 2: the football, because that's kind of what you know appeals
• 56:38
  Speaker 2: you to him as a as an evaluator, at least
• 56:40
  Speaker 2: my opinion is how he gets to the football and
• 56:43
  Speaker 2: how urgent he is getting to the football.
• 56:45
  Speaker 1: Tell you what I agree with you. I don't think
• 56:50
  Speaker 1: to play with a wider bass you need some bend
• 56:52
  Speaker 1: right in your hip. But I don't think he can
• 56:55
  Speaker 1: do it. I don't think he has. I don't think
• 56:57
  Speaker 1: his hips are, for lack of a better term, I
• 56:59
  Speaker 1: don't think his hips are looped up enough to be
• 57:01
  Speaker 1: able for him to like, like we're doing, like, all right,
• 57:04
  Speaker 1: get in a hit position. He's here and like it's
• 57:06
  Speaker 1: like no, no, no, we need you to get down here.
• 57:07
  Speaker 1: And he's like, I don't been like that where my
• 57:10
  Speaker 1: where my thigh bone connects to my hip. I can't
• 57:13
  Speaker 1: do that. I feel like that's I feel like he can't.
• 57:15
  Speaker 1: I feel like he can't bend enough to get into
• 57:17
  Speaker 1: that spot.
• 57:18
  Speaker 2: It could be I mean, and these are like little
• 57:21
  Speaker 2: things that you know most people aren't looking at. But
• 57:23
  Speaker 2: I just we know NFL teams are looking at him.
• 57:25
  Speaker 2: So probably as evaluators in the draft community, we probably
• 57:28
  Speaker 2: should start looking at technique a little bit more with players.
• 57:32
  Speaker 2: And I think, you know, I think we we are
• 57:35
  Speaker 2: good to have the concerns that we have again good
• 57:38
  Speaker 2: football player, very productive. There's there's a lot to like, yeah,
• 57:41
  Speaker 2: there is, but there's there's there's easy there's easy ways
• 57:44
  Speaker 2: to be tricked into thinking a guy is just going
• 57:46
  Speaker 2: to be a stud. And then you see why he
• 57:48
  Speaker 2: doesn't work out in the NFL, and there's it's these
• 57:50
  Speaker 2: little things like this.
• 57:51
  Speaker 1: But yeah, and then when you look back, it's like, oh,
• 57:54
  Speaker 1: I can't believe we didn't focus on this thing. Of
• 57:56
  Speaker 1: course he wasn't gonna work, Like, look at this thing
• 57:58
  Speaker 1: that we all ignored.
• 57:59
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, exactly.
• 58:01
  Speaker 1: And again I think there don't enough. Yes, I agree,
• 58:04
  Speaker 1: and yeah I don't. And for me, I don't like
• 58:09
  Speaker 1: if you're looking at the bills right and you're looking
• 58:11
  Speaker 1: out like the linebacker to pair next to Trell Bernard.
• 58:14
  Speaker 1: Bernard is limited so much because of his size and frame,
• 58:17
  Speaker 1: and even though he had a good RASS score, I
• 58:19
  Speaker 1: don't think he's the most athletic type of dude. So like,
• 58:22
  Speaker 1: do you really want two linebackers with some change of
• 58:24
  Speaker 1: direction questions and like fluidity questions maybe and range? Yeah,
• 58:29
  Speaker 1: I question that a bit now. CJ. Allen. For most folks,
• 58:33
  Speaker 1: I think is linebacker three if you're counting r Vel
• 58:35
  Speaker 1: Reese's off ball. It's recent styles you're clear one and two,
• 58:39
  Speaker 1: and then people have a lot of people have CJ.
• 58:43
  Speaker 1: Allen as their three, or maybe Anthony Hill, which we'll
• 58:47
  Speaker 1: talk about Hill in a minute. But Russ, for you,
• 58:50
  Speaker 1: you have a different linebacker as your linebacker three. Someone
• 58:53
  Speaker 1: who are you're very high on, who you told me
• 58:55
  Speaker 1: in text earlier today is the best linebacker in this
• 58:58
  Speaker 1: class not named styles or talk about and Professor love
• 59:03
  Speaker 1: for mister Josiah Trotter, linebacker out.
• 59:05
  Speaker 2: Of the Zoo. Yeah, obviously this is not because his
• 59:08
  Speaker 2: dad is Jeremiah Trotter or his brother is Jeremiah Trotter Junior.
• 59:13
  Speaker 2: It's got nothing to do with the NFL ties at all. Actually,
• 59:15
  Speaker 2: it's just the way he plays. He is so violent.
• 59:19
  Speaker 2: He triggers with ease. He's got great range, explosive with
• 59:23
  Speaker 2: such great change of direction ability. The way he manipulates
• 59:28
  Speaker 2: offensive linemen by changing his pad level is next level stuff.
• 59:33
  Speaker 2: It truly is super flexible lower half. He works his
• 59:37
  Speaker 2: hands and his shoulders through blocks. Not just his hands,
• 59:41
  Speaker 2: it's his whole upper body. He's so good with how
• 59:45
  Speaker 2: he reads and reacts, pulling guards and some of the
• 59:49
  Speaker 2: backfield action that he's going to see. I love the
• 59:51
  Speaker 2: way he fits in the run game effective Blitzer. Sure
• 59:55
  Speaker 2: there's gonna be times that he's gonna get picked up,
• 59:57
  Speaker 2: but I think team's looking for a mic or will
• 59:59
  Speaker 2: You're in luck. Josiah Trotter can be that guy, maybe
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 2: even play that occasional sam if you want to bring
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 2: him up on the line of scrimmage. I wouldn't necessarily
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 2: do that. I think he's best in the middle of
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 2: the field and just read it and reacting and flowing.
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 2: I think you know, there are some injury concerns. He's
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 2: only had twenty three career starts, has some knee problems.
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 2: He needs to get better in coverage. I know that
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 2: he needs to find ways to attack the football. He
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 2: needs to have better eyes, play a little bit more
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 2: disciplined in coverage. But at the end of the day,
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 2: like I'm drafting a guy to stop the run. If
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 2: I if I that would be my thing with a linebacker.
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 2: I'm looking at stopping the run. That's why I'm drafting
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 2: a linebacker specifically in the first round. I need him
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 2: to stop the run. And it's it's still past you know,
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 2: pass first, pass heavy league, whatever you want to say,
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 2: but teams still run the football a good fifty five
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 2: percent of the time probably you know, on average in
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 2: the in the NFL, and I need a guy that
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 2: can stop it. And I think Josiah Trotter is just
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 2: so damn fun and I think he can be so
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 2: good just how he does everything from pursuit, taking on blocks,
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 2: shedding blocks, manipulating the opposition. Just love the player. Top
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 2: twenty five player for me, grated out with a six
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 2: point six point six overall grade. So I just I
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 2: love the player in the way he turned out for me.
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 1: Nice and good poll here from John Robert watching on Facebook,
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 1: who said the Bills brought Josiah in for a visit.
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 1: Very much like to hear that. I'm horrible with tracking
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 1: that stuff, so anytime someone tells me who got brought
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 1: in for a visit, I appreciate the hell out of that. Yeah,
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 1: I got the Trotter in prep for this episode, and
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 1: you were so effusive in your praise to me over
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 1: text today that I was like, okay, like him. So
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 1: I started with the Oklahoma game, which you texted me,
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 1: hold on, I want I meant to have it open
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 1: already so I wouldn't have to go look it up. Now.
• 1:01:47
  Speaker 1: But your exact text, I got it now. Your exact
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 1: text about him was at the end was quote the
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 1: way Trotter played against Oklahoma is some of the best
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 1: single game tape for any player in the Yes. Yeah,
• 1:02:01
  Speaker 1: and I watched it. Man, Like early on he reads
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 1: I think what they run like. I think my tier
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 1: runs like QB counter, I think it's bash, and he
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 1: reads the polling guard and the pulling tackle reads it, attacks,
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 1: dips and plays through the shoulder of the guard who's
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 1: trying to down block him, makes the stick. And then
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 1: the next play, I think the very next play, he
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 1: like reads a screen out of the backfield, triggers on
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 1: it buries the running back in the backfield. There's a
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 1: couple of plays in that game too, where like he
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 1: takes on a base block from the left guard and
• 1:02:34
  Speaker 1: the center supperate times and he just looks like he's
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 1: meeting the pad where it's like the three points of contact.
• 1:02:41
  Speaker 1: Here's the crown of my helmet, here's both my hands.
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna get under you, jack you up lift the
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 1: sled fee fee feet shed like yep. Just the physicality,
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 1: the downhill ability, and he's someone you know, ironically and
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 1: you mentioned it in your evail of him, like talking
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 1: about him after CJ. Allen, He's the opposite. You watch
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 1: him pre snap and he is loaded in that stance.
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 1: You see the flexibility in the hips. You can see
• 1:03:04
  Speaker 1: that shape like he's there, he's locked, he's loaded. You
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 1: see the flexibility. Yeah, I really like that. He's got
• 1:03:11
  Speaker 1: good you know, my evel to him a little bit
• 1:03:14
  Speaker 1: good short area quickness, agility and burst. I don't think
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 1: he's a great like change of direction guy in space.
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 1: I think he's adequate in that space, adequate at best,
• 1:03:22
  Speaker 1: but again he makes up four with the short area quickness,
• 1:03:25
  Speaker 1: agility and burst and yeah, you know, you know and
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 1: I we're talking about some of the coverage stuff earlier.
• 1:03:30
  Speaker 1: You know, he's not lost in coverage. I do think
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 1: he could do better, you know, feeling for routes and
• 1:03:34
  Speaker 1: reading distribution, especially ones that come behind him. But he's
• 1:03:37
  Speaker 1: fine on a lot of stuff in front of him,
• 1:03:39
  Speaker 1: Like he can attach, he'll nail down like again I
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 1: think redirect re route. Is he a plus coverage player? No,
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 1: but I think he's adequate and serviceable there, which is
• 1:03:51
  Speaker 1: fine paired with how good he is coming forward against
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 1: the run. And I think a lot of that too
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 1: is I think some of that can be coached, like, hey,
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 1: you know, for this formation in this like you need
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 1: to keep an eye for this guy coming behind you.
• 1:04:02
  Speaker 1: Like I would love for somebody to kind of get
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 1: with him and be like, you need to robot a
• 1:04:05
  Speaker 1: little bit more, and let's keep an eye for this.
• 1:04:07
  Speaker 1: Let's keep an eye for that, because it's really he'll
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 1: move with stuff coming behind like you can tell he
• 1:04:12
  Speaker 1: feels it or he sees it on the peripheral. It's
• 1:04:14
  Speaker 1: just like just just go with it a little bit more,
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 1: or don't bite on that underneath. They're trying to high low.
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 1: You sit and wait and play it like slow play
• 1:04:22
  Speaker 1: instead of triggering right away. I do think some of
• 1:04:24
  Speaker 1: that can be coached with him. I love the effort
• 1:04:28
  Speaker 1: from snap to whistle. There's multiple chase down plays each
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 1: game where you're watching it from the end zone angle
• 1:04:35
  Speaker 1: and he's coming from out of camera view to chase
• 1:04:38
  Speaker 1: somebody down by the sideline and then he's gonna pop
• 1:04:41
  Speaker 1: the hell out of you while he does it again.
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 1: I think the Oklahoma game has one where he blitzes
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 1: and he's like rapping and Mateer keeps it and takes
• 1:04:48
  Speaker 1: it off. Takes off, and he chases him down from
• 1:04:51
  Speaker 1: the middle field of the sideline, pops him on the sideline,
• 1:04:54
  Speaker 1: buries him in the ground, flexes on him a little bit. Yeah,
• 1:04:57
  Speaker 1: I just like the physicality. Fifty first percent for arm length,
• 1:05:01
  Speaker 1: which is fine. Six two, two hundred and thirty seven pounds.
• 1:05:04
  Speaker 1: He's physical, he plays downhill. I think he's better in
• 1:05:07
  Speaker 1: coverage than he gets credit for. And I think it's
• 1:05:09
  Speaker 1: coverage is good enough when paired with how much he
• 1:05:12
  Speaker 1: plays downhill and what he can do coming forward, and
• 1:05:14
  Speaker 1: like reading and reacting. I liked him so much to
• 1:05:18
  Speaker 1: the point that I'm excited to watch more games. I
• 1:05:20
  Speaker 1: usually minimum I watched three games for guys. I try
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 1: to get to four to five for everybody. I might
• 1:05:26
  Speaker 1: get to more for him. I just want to continue
• 1:05:29
  Speaker 1: to see what he does because I just liked how
• 1:05:32
  Speaker 1: he played, and you're you're praise of him again. I
• 1:05:35
  Speaker 1: put a lot of faith and value into what.
• 1:05:37
  Speaker 2: Wait, have you watched it? Have you watched the A
• 1:05:39
  Speaker 2: and M game yet?
• 1:05:41
  Speaker 1: No? I have not watched the A and M game.
• 1:05:43
  Speaker 1: I am where's my list for him? I am at Oklahoma,
• 1:05:49
  Speaker 1: South Carolina, Alabama and I'm at three so far.
• 1:05:56
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so if you do TEXTA and him next there's
• 1:05:59
  Speaker 2: a play where they are running a shovel pass and
• 1:06:04
  Speaker 2: it's at like the goal line and he reads the
• 1:06:09
  Speaker 2: polar perfectly, does what he does and just makes a
• 1:06:13
  Speaker 2: heads up play. I can send you the clip just
• 1:06:15
  Speaker 2: to kind of get you juiced uff to watch the game,
• 1:06:17
  Speaker 2: but it like it's stuffed down at the goal line
• 1:06:21
  Speaker 2: that he's doing that. Most guys they and maybe not
• 1:06:23
  Speaker 2: most guys, but for the most part, we see guys
• 1:06:26
  Speaker 2: just kind of cash it in. They're like, all right,
• 1:06:27
  Speaker 2: give me the bench, they're gonna score whatever. And he
• 1:06:30
  Speaker 2: sells out. And it's just like those little things where
• 1:06:33
  Speaker 2: I'm like, man like, it's just I'm not saying it's
• 1:06:37
  Speaker 2: Jack Campbell because they're two different types of players. But like,
• 1:06:41
  Speaker 2: Jack Campbell is not a great coverage linebacker. He's he's
• 1:06:45
  Speaker 2: he's feasible, he does enough, doesn't have a career interception
• 1:06:48
  Speaker 2: yet I don't I don't care because he's a absolute
• 1:06:52
  Speaker 2: dog in the run game and he chases everything down.
• 1:06:56
  Speaker 2: And if that if you bring that guy there, and
• 1:06:58
  Speaker 2: he's gonna be able to teams from getting three yards
• 1:07:01
  Speaker 2: of carry. You're you're doing something right, you know what
• 1:07:04
  Speaker 2: I'm saying, Like, Yeah, so I think this guy is
• 1:07:07
  Speaker 2: so overthought and I don't know, man, I think he
• 1:07:11
  Speaker 2: is one of the twenty five best players in this draft.
• 1:07:13
  Speaker 2: And when you mentioned like you said, I texted you
• 1:07:16
  Speaker 2: and said, he's got single best game of any player
• 1:07:19
  Speaker 2: in the class. And what I mean by that is
• 1:07:22
  Speaker 2: like when I go back to the twenty twenty three
• 1:07:25
  Speaker 2: draft with Edrin Cooper and.
• 1:07:28
  Speaker 1: Really fun player. He doesn't get talk about in the
• 1:07:29
  Speaker 1: NFL enough. He does some cool stuff for the Packers,
• 1:07:31
  Speaker 1: but yeah, his A and M stuff was super fun.
• 1:07:34
  Speaker 2: Yeah, dude, And it might have been the twenty four draft.
• 1:07:36
  Speaker 2: I can't remember that. It might have been the twenty
• 1:07:39
  Speaker 2: three season, but twenty twenty four draft.
• 1:07:41
  Speaker 1: Yes, right, you're right, you're right, yeah, because twenty twenty
• 1:07:43
  Speaker 1: four was his rookie last year was two YAA.
• 1:07:45
  Speaker 2: Right, yeah, yeah, you're right. So and he was a
• 1:07:48
  Speaker 2: second round pick, shouldn't have been one. But he's coming
• 1:07:51
  Speaker 2: out of TEXTA, A and M. He's playing Alabama and
• 1:07:53
  Speaker 2: you go back and watch that game in twenty twenty three,
• 1:07:55
  Speaker 2: it's some of the best tape of any.
• 1:07:56
  Speaker 1: You texted me about him too. I remember you being like, bro,
• 1:07:59
  Speaker 1: have you watched that Cooper And it was just like
• 1:08:02
  Speaker 1: and then like after you sent me that text, it
• 1:08:03
  Speaker 1: was like clip clip clip clip of all the stuff
• 1:08:07
  Speaker 1: of him doing against Alabama?
• 1:08:08
  Speaker 2: What doubts?
• 1:08:08
  Speaker 1: Yah, that's funny.
• 1:08:09
  Speaker 2: Yeah, And it's just like that's how I feel about
• 1:08:11
  Speaker 2: Josiah Trotter. And it's just one of those like you
• 1:08:13
  Speaker 2: gotta trust your gut when you're doing this stuff and
• 1:08:16
  Speaker 2: you see it, like you watch Trotter and he's just
• 1:08:18
  Speaker 2: an ANFL player and he's such an easy evaluation. Like
• 1:08:21
  Speaker 2: we have doubts about c. J. Allen. We're gonna talk
• 1:08:23
  Speaker 2: about Anthony Hill here in a minute. We're both gonna
• 1:08:25
  Speaker 2: have doubts there. There's other linebackers we have doubts. We
• 1:08:28
  Speaker 2: have some doubts with Josiah Trotter. But it's not like
• 1:08:31
  Speaker 2: anything where I'm like I don't I Like, there's nothing
• 1:08:34
  Speaker 2: in me where I'm like I don't know everything that
• 1:08:36
  Speaker 2: I see. I'm convinced this guy. This guy's gonna go.
• 1:08:39
  Speaker 2: Only thing I have questions on really is can he
• 1:08:41
  Speaker 2: stay healthy? If he could stay healthy, the dude's gonna
• 1:08:44
  Speaker 2: be a dog. He's gonna be a dog.
• 1:08:45
  Speaker 1: And I do like the idea for what it's worth,
• 1:08:48
  Speaker 1: a real quick for somebody in the chat saying we
• 1:08:50
  Speaker 1: need a three four inside linebacker. Is he an inside linebacker,
• 1:08:52
  Speaker 1: outside linebacker. He would be an inside linebacker. You would
• 1:08:55
  Speaker 1: pair him next to Rel Bernard and he could play
• 1:08:58
  Speaker 1: there in the odd front three or stuff. He can
• 1:09:01
  Speaker 1: play next to him if they go with some nickel
• 1:09:04
  Speaker 1: stuff and you're going two linebackers in the second level,
• 1:09:06
  Speaker 1: he could play Mike. He could play Will like Russ mentioned,
• 1:09:08
  Speaker 1: I also think to you know, and Russ mentioned as well.
• 1:09:11
  Speaker 1: I also think depending on like if a team wants
• 1:09:14
  Speaker 1: to reduce down or change the lignement. I do think
• 1:09:16
  Speaker 1: because of his physicality, like you could put him as
• 1:09:18
  Speaker 1: the end man on the line of scrimmage and be like, hey,
• 1:09:21
  Speaker 1: just like any front tight end exactly, yes, penny front stuff,
• 1:09:24
  Speaker 1: nobody gets outside you. And I feel like he'd be
• 1:09:26
  Speaker 1: like copy. I think he'd understand that assignment. And you know,
• 1:09:29
  Speaker 1: so good question in the chat there, and yeah, for
• 1:09:32
  Speaker 1: what it's worth, not that this is always anything with
• 1:09:36
  Speaker 1: a type of like player his dad was. I just
• 1:09:39
  Speaker 1: feel like certain guys just understand, like what it I
• 1:09:43
  Speaker 1: feel like what it's like to be a player. Yes,
• 1:09:46
  Speaker 1: and he the way he plays the game is just
• 1:09:49
  Speaker 1: very workmanlike and very professional like. There's intensity and there's
• 1:09:53
  Speaker 1: violence to it, but it just is very much like
• 1:09:56
  Speaker 1: step By Stuck. He you you can just see he
• 1:09:58
  Speaker 1: knows what to do, like he knows what it takes.
• 1:10:01
  Speaker 1: And yeah, I mean his dad was a hammer. His
• 1:10:03
  Speaker 1: dad wasn't some physical marvel. His dad was a grinder,
• 1:10:05
  Speaker 1: And I think those dudes usually make good ballplayers because
• 1:10:10
  Speaker 1: you're not the son of some like ultra talented physical marvel.
• 1:10:13
  Speaker 1: It's somebody who knew what to do to like grind
• 1:10:15
  Speaker 1: and get there. So yeah, I think pedigree helps a
• 1:10:18
  Speaker 1: little bit as well. I want to talk about two
• 1:10:20
  Speaker 1: linebackers next. After that who I think can be in
• 1:10:22
  Speaker 1: the conversation for some in round one. One of them
• 1:10:25
  Speaker 1: i've definitely seen mock to the Bills. I want to
• 1:10:27
  Speaker 1: talk about some Texas State not the university, but in
• 1:10:31
  Speaker 1: the state of Texas linebackers. Let's talk about Anthony Hill
• 1:10:34
  Speaker 1: from Texas and then after that, let's talk about Jacob
• 1:10:37
  Speaker 1: Rodriguez from Texas Tech. Let's lead off with Anthony Hill. First,
• 1:10:41
  Speaker 1: what are your thoughts on him. Where does he fall
• 1:10:43
  Speaker 1: for you? Because I do think maybe he could creep
• 1:10:46
  Speaker 1: into round one for some teams. But let's talk about
• 1:10:48
  Speaker 1: his evaluation first and foremost.
• 1:10:51
  Speaker 2: Before I get Rant and Raven. Do you like the
• 1:10:54
  Speaker 2: player or do you not like the player?
• 1:10:57
  Speaker 1: Anthony Hill? Yeah, we talked about the little bit. I
• 1:11:00
  Speaker 1: just he's another one where I feel like I'm missing something.
• 1:11:06
  Speaker 2: Do you have doubts?
• 1:11:08
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I have big doubts. Well, he texted about him. Yeah,
• 1:11:10
  Speaker 1: I just want to. Yeah, I don't.
• 1:11:12
  Speaker 2: There's times where I just wanted to make sure that
• 1:11:15
  Speaker 2: nothing changed before I get Raven and then put my
• 1:11:18
  Speaker 2: foot in my mouth and you're like, I love the guy.
• 1:11:21
  Speaker 1: I would occurage that even more. I don't want to,
• 1:11:23
  Speaker 1: I know, think of it. But yeah, still where we
• 1:11:26
  Speaker 1: were when we I think we texted about him in February. Yeah,
• 1:11:29
  Speaker 1: I just there's times where I don't. I don't know
• 1:11:32
  Speaker 1: what he's seeing or where his eyes are going. He's
• 1:11:34
  Speaker 1: either wrong or he's late. Yes, I think Claude said
• 1:11:38
  Speaker 1: it right here. Hill plays lighter than his size, and
• 1:11:40
  Speaker 1: that's my biggest thing. I don't feel his size and
• 1:11:45
  Speaker 1: frame as a linebacker. I don't feel the heaviness. I
• 1:11:49
  Speaker 1: don't feel the thump, but I also don't feel like
• 1:11:52
  Speaker 1: athleticism or like range, like and I feel like he's
• 1:11:55
  Speaker 1: caught in between on all these things physically. And then
• 1:11:58
  Speaker 1: I also have questions mental and I know you see that.
• 1:12:01
  Speaker 1: So yeah, I'm I'm still where we were when we
• 1:12:03
  Speaker 1: texted about him in February or whenever it.
• 1:12:05
  Speaker 2: Was, So yeah, I'm still there, okay, and I you know,
• 1:12:08
  Speaker 2: And again, I wouldn't have cared really either way. I
• 1:12:11
  Speaker 2: just wanted to make sure before it's like this whole
• 1:12:13
  Speaker 2: me bashing.
• 1:12:14
  Speaker 1: Before you're life, anybody who likes Anthony Hill is a
• 1:12:17
  Speaker 1: moron of it.
• 1:12:17
  Speaker 2: I'm like, exactly, That's what I was trying to prevent.
• 1:12:21
  Speaker 2: I didn't want to grab the steel chair and turn
• 1:12:22
  Speaker 2: heel tonight and do the whole thing. But we can
• 1:12:24
  Speaker 2: do it together, you know what.
• 1:12:25
  Speaker 1: I throw through the window, like Jeanetta after your superkick me.
• 1:12:27
  Speaker 1: That's fair.
• 1:12:28
  Speaker 2: That's how the show is going to close tonight. But
• 1:12:30
  Speaker 2: that's that's a I digress. Anyways, Anthony Hill look really good,
• 1:12:35
  Speaker 2: stack and shed linebacker, chop swipe moves, pretty nice, good pursuit,
• 1:12:39
  Speaker 2: good range, very well experienced thirty two starts, he can
• 1:12:43
  Speaker 2: get home when blitzing. He's gonna mug and blitz a
• 1:12:46
  Speaker 2: lot in the NFL, I think, so any team that's
• 1:12:49
  Speaker 2: gonna want to, you know, throw those mug looks and
• 1:12:51
  Speaker 2: run all that, that's gonna be his skill set only
• 1:12:54
  Speaker 2: twenty one. So that's what you're encouraged about. And again
• 1:12:56
  Speaker 2: you're encouraged about his size at six three two thirty eight.
• 1:12:59
  Speaker 2: But like you said, he doesn't play to his size.
• 1:13:02
  Speaker 2: And like I think of like bigger linebackers that we've seen,
• 1:13:05
  Speaker 2: the Bills take Tremaine Edmunds being obviously the first one
• 1:13:07
  Speaker 2: to come to mind, six four, two fifty three, he
• 1:13:11
  Speaker 2: did play a little bit to his size at times.
• 1:13:13
  Speaker 2: Anthony Hill does not. And I just think he's super
• 1:13:17
  Speaker 2: undisciplined with his eyes. He stands still.
• 1:13:20
  Speaker 1: Undisciplined is a good way to put it.
• 1:13:22
  Speaker 2: Yes, he's he stands still on not every play, but
• 1:13:26
  Speaker 2: there's a lot of plays on consecutive drives where he's
• 1:13:30
  Speaker 2: just standing like what.
• 1:13:32
  Speaker 1: Do you what are you doing it?
• 1:13:33
  Speaker 2: Like?
• 1:13:33
  Speaker 1: Why are you there?
• 1:13:35
  Speaker 2: Yeah, And there's a video back in the day on
• 1:13:38
  Speaker 2: on NFL dot com uh where Jalen Smith, the linebacker
• 1:13:42
  Speaker 2: from the Dallas Cowboys formerly of Notre Dame.
• 1:13:45
  Speaker 1: Man, if he didn't, if he doesn't wreck his knee
• 1:13:47
  Speaker 1: in that, we're still the greatest linebacker of all time. Yeah,
• 1:13:52
  Speaker 1: his seat was crazy good, man, he was still good
• 1:13:55
  Speaker 1: even after he wrecked his knee. Image.
• 1:13:57
  Speaker 2: Yeah, imagine what he could have been. Man, Sorry, yeah,
• 1:13:59
  Speaker 2: he should have been at No, you're good. He should
• 1:14:01
  Speaker 2: have been a top five pick.
• 1:14:02
  Speaker 1: Yeah, easy, easy top to frame. The athleticism, the movement, everything, dude.
• 1:14:07
  Speaker 2: Yeah, no, one hundred. But uh yeah with Anthony Hill,
• 1:14:11
  Speaker 2: like just too much space in his zone drops like
• 1:14:14
  Speaker 2: just gets either too too much depth or does he
• 1:14:17
  Speaker 2: get enough depth or just gives up, like you know,
• 1:14:20
  Speaker 2: two or three yards between him and the wide receiver
• 1:14:23
  Speaker 2: or a tight end. There's just too much space there.
• 1:14:25
  Speaker 2: And my biggest problem, well, he could be a stack
• 1:14:28
  Speaker 2: and shed linebacker. He can sack and shed, so he'll
• 1:14:31
  Speaker 2: want to pop the pad and shed it. It's the
• 1:14:34
  Speaker 2: working of the hands. It's non existent. He doesn't want
• 1:14:39
  Speaker 2: to swipe those hands consistently enough. You know, the chop
• 1:14:43
  Speaker 2: swipe is there, but it's just like it's not like
• 1:14:46
  Speaker 2: he's moving those hands consistently. He wants to just run
• 1:14:49
  Speaker 2: through them. In the run game, if he's run, if
• 1:14:51
  Speaker 2: he's rushing the passer, he'll do it. But in the
• 1:14:54
  Speaker 2: run game, it's just like I'm gonna take an angle
• 1:14:56
  Speaker 2: and I'm gonna b line to the running back and
• 1:14:58
  Speaker 2: I'm just gonna run through everything my sight and like
• 1:15:01
  Speaker 2: that seek and destroy mindset is not gonna work consistently
• 1:15:05
  Speaker 2: in the NFL. I felt like he let linebackers take
• 1:15:08
  Speaker 2: angles to him. I didn't like that he missed some
• 1:15:11
  Speaker 2: time with a hand, a hand injury in twenty twenty five.
• 1:15:15
  Speaker 2: There's much to be desired, but I just let, like
• 1:15:18
  Speaker 2: you said, to kind of kick it off. I left
• 1:15:21
  Speaker 2: the film room watching him want I wanted more, and
• 1:15:25
  Speaker 2: I just don't know if I'm gonna get it in
• 1:15:27
  Speaker 2: the NFL. He again, he's only twenty one, so you might,
• 1:15:29
  Speaker 2: but I don't think I would roll the dice in
• 1:15:32
  Speaker 2: the first round. You want to, You want to swing
• 1:15:33
  Speaker 2: it at fifty to fifty five, yeah, sure, But at
• 1:15:36
  Speaker 2: twenty six, twenty five, No, I don't know. If I
• 1:15:39
  Speaker 2: don't see I don't see it. I would rather have
• 1:15:41
  Speaker 2: trotter and.
• 1:15:41
  Speaker 1: Would frustrate me even more, like looking at some of
• 1:15:44
  Speaker 1: his like measurables right, like ninety third percentile on the
• 1:15:49
  Speaker 1: forty seventy third percentile for the ten yard split, seventy
• 1:15:53
  Speaker 1: ninth percent out for his vert, eighty eight percent out
• 1:15:56
  Speaker 1: for the broad So all these things for like explosion,
• 1:15:59
  Speaker 1: it's there. And then he's six to two hundred and
• 1:16:01
  Speaker 1: thirty eight pounds thirty two and three eighths inch arms,
• 1:16:04
  Speaker 1: so he's got he's fifty five percent out for armlank,
• 1:16:06
  Speaker 1: he's got the size, he's got the frame, he's got
• 1:16:08
  Speaker 1: the speed. And then like watching him, I feel like
• 1:16:12
  Speaker 1: he looks slow at times A lot. I feel like
• 1:16:15
  Speaker 1: he looks like he's either stuck in the mud. And
• 1:16:18
  Speaker 1: and because he tested that well, Granted, like you know,
• 1:16:23
  Speaker 1: play speed is different than gay than time speed for
• 1:16:26
  Speaker 1: variety reasons, but somebody who tested so bursty and so
• 1:16:30
  Speaker 1: explosive makes me feel they're not playing that fast because
• 1:16:34
  Speaker 1: they don't see the game that fast enough. They can't
• 1:16:37
  Speaker 1: play it physically fast enough because they're not seeing it mentally.
• 1:16:39
  Speaker 1: In order to play fast physically, you have to play
• 1:16:41
  Speaker 1: fast mentally. And granted, could he get there, sure, but yeah,
• 1:16:45
  Speaker 1: I just felt like I knew of him going into
• 1:16:49
  Speaker 1: the season and I saw him on some broadcasts and
• 1:16:51
  Speaker 1: I was like, okay, and he was a guy watched
• 1:16:53
  Speaker 1: early on at linebacker, and yeah, I just kept like
• 1:16:58
  Speaker 1: wanting more and I didn't. I was like, oh yeah,
• 1:17:00
  Speaker 1: look at look at look at the build, look at
• 1:17:02
  Speaker 1: the traits. And I didn't see that. And then he
• 1:17:04
  Speaker 1: tested so well and it made me even more mad
• 1:17:07
  Speaker 1: because I was just like, I don't, I don't see that.
• 1:17:09
  Speaker 1: Where is that like with regularity there? And sometimes you'll
• 1:17:13
  Speaker 1: see it right, like he blitzes or he chases down
• 1:17:16
  Speaker 1: a quarterback when they scramble, or he makes a play
• 1:17:19
  Speaker 1: like off the edge, they send him on like a
• 1:17:20
  Speaker 1: cross dog, or they'll send him on like a like
• 1:17:23
  Speaker 1: a pirate stunt and he'll go through. But I just yeah,
• 1:17:27
  Speaker 1: for regular like read and react and actually like non
• 1:17:30
  Speaker 1: gimmicky stuff. And when I say gimmicky stuff, I mean
• 1:17:32
  Speaker 1: like stuff where he's not like the looper on a
• 1:17:34
  Speaker 1: game or some crap like true linebacker stuff. I just
• 1:17:38
  Speaker 1: don't see the eyes and I don't see the physical ability.
• 1:17:42
  Speaker 1: Now to your point, could you sure bet on the traits?
• 1:17:46
  Speaker 1: Sure coach him up and maybe he's a guy in
• 1:17:48
  Speaker 1: year two or year three. It's like whoa, it finally
• 1:17:50
  Speaker 1: clicked for him, but right now, Yeah, I just have
• 1:17:52
  Speaker 1: a lot of questions. I don't think he plays to
• 1:17:55
  Speaker 1: that size frame and athleticism that he tests with.
• 1:17:58
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and I don't. I don't know, and I'm not.
• 1:18:01
  Speaker 2: I hate doing this, like comparing players from the same school. Yeah,
• 1:18:08
  Speaker 2: hit the like button, subscribe to the show. If you don't,
• 1:18:11
  Speaker 2: we can. We can fight about it in a phone booth.
• 1:18:13
  Speaker 2: I don't care. Uh. Anyways, I don't like scouting. I
• 1:18:19
  Speaker 2: don't like scouting players based off of like helmet, and
• 1:18:22
  Speaker 2: I don't like comparing players off of the helmet. That's
• 1:18:24
  Speaker 2: always a that's always I.
• 1:18:25
  Speaker 1: Hate scouting with p it's somebody. Actually, someone even said
• 1:18:27
  Speaker 1: it earlier too, not in Negowey, but someone was like,
• 1:18:29
  Speaker 1: Texas doesn't produce good linebackers.
• 1:18:32
  Speaker 2: Well to that point, this is very weird. So you
• 1:18:36
  Speaker 2: mentioned Anthony Hill six two two thirty eight thirty two
• 1:18:39
  Speaker 2: and three eight inch arms, nine and a half inch
• 1:18:43
  Speaker 2: hands four five one thirty seven inch vertical one hundred
• 1:18:47
  Speaker 2: and twenty five inches in the broad jump twenty one
• 1:18:49
  Speaker 2: reps in the bench. We go to another Texas linebacker.
• 1:18:52
  Speaker 2: His not his teammate, but a former Texas linebacker from
• 1:18:56
  Speaker 2: twenty seventeen twenty eighteen range Malik Jeffish Yeah, six two
• 1:19:01
  Speaker 2: two thirty six thirty two inch arms, same exact hand
• 1:19:05
  Speaker 2: size four five two forty thirty six inch vertical, one
• 1:19:08
  Speaker 2: hundred and twenty five inch bar, broad jump, twenty seven
• 1:19:10
  Speaker 2: reps in the bench. It's the same exact player. They
• 1:19:12
  Speaker 2: play it the same exact way. And Malik Jefferson has
• 1:19:16
  Speaker 2: nineteen career total tackles in the NFL. So I just
• 1:19:20
  Speaker 2: don't know what to do with Anthony Hill. I just don't.
• 1:19:23
  Speaker 2: And they you can say they're different players. I don't know.
• 1:19:27
  Speaker 2: I Scott at that class too, and I think they're
• 1:19:29
  Speaker 2: the same player. So I have doubts about Anthony Hill.
• 1:19:32
  Speaker 2: He graded out as a six point one for me,
• 1:19:37
  Speaker 2: which there's a you know, pretty big gap between him
• 1:19:40
  Speaker 2: and Josiah Trotter, even C. J. Allen a little bit,
• 1:19:43
  Speaker 2: and another name Jay Shawn Barham from Michigan. But we
• 1:19:47
  Speaker 2: can get into we can get into some other players
• 1:19:49
  Speaker 2: as well.
• 1:19:49
  Speaker 1: I'm sorry, surely let's no how dare you? How dare you?
• 1:19:53
  Speaker 1: Why are you? Why are you speaking the show? And why?
• 1:19:56
  Speaker 1: Like what is what does it even happen here. One
• 1:19:59
  Speaker 1: more guy that I think is getting some talk for
• 1:20:02
  Speaker 1: Bills fans, maybe even his highest round one, but I
• 1:20:04
  Speaker 1: think early and then I want to just get some
• 1:20:07
  Speaker 1: you know, after we talk about him. I want to
• 1:20:08
  Speaker 1: get just some more names to know, like your Michigan
• 1:20:12
  Speaker 1: linebacker who you love. Let's talk about Jacob Rodriguez from
• 1:20:17
  Speaker 1: Texas Tech. What are your thoughts on him as a player,
• 1:20:20
  Speaker 1: your evaluation, what do you got?
• 1:20:23
  Speaker 2: Another one of those guys where I kind of left
• 1:20:26
  Speaker 2: want more?
• 1:20:27
  Speaker 1: Same? Okay, dude, I see no disrespect to him, Like
• 1:20:31
  Speaker 1: I see so many people who are absolutely in love
• 1:20:33
  Speaker 1: with him, and I think it started with like some
• 1:20:35
  Speaker 1: great Senior Bowl reps and he's manning up these running
• 1:20:38
  Speaker 1: backs and locking him down. And I haven't fully watched
• 1:20:43
  Speaker 1: him to the point where I'm just watching him. But
• 1:20:45
  Speaker 1: I've watched a bunch of games at Texas Tech because
• 1:20:47
  Speaker 1: I've watched Bailey and I've watched Lee Hunter, and I'm
• 1:20:50
  Speaker 1: always keeping eyeut for Rodriguez on every play, and I
• 1:20:54
  Speaker 1: just don't I don't see the coverage marvel that a
• 1:20:57
  Speaker 1: lot of people are keying in on. I understand he
• 1:21:00
  Speaker 1: makes some turnovers and plays, but yeah, I'll let you
• 1:21:03
  Speaker 1: go and then I'll speak. Yeah. I also I was
• 1:21:05
  Speaker 1: left wanting more. I was not sold very fair. I'm
• 1:21:09
  Speaker 1: interested to hear what you have to say.
• 1:21:11
  Speaker 2: Yeah, No, I like you know, very well built athletic
• 1:21:14
  Speaker 2: linebacker prospect. In the short areas of the field. Yes, oops,
• 1:21:19
  Speaker 2: I didn't I that's just a run on signs. There's
• 1:21:21
  Speaker 2: a period in there. In the short areas of the field,
• 1:21:24
  Speaker 2: he shows the desired burst and start stopability to close
• 1:21:28
  Speaker 2: quickly or change direction in space. He displays good instincts
• 1:21:32
  Speaker 2: near the ball and good spatial awareness in zone coverage,
• 1:21:35
  Speaker 2: but there's a lot of hesitation within his game, not
• 1:21:39
  Speaker 2: always active hands with re routing. Teams will wish he
• 1:21:43
  Speaker 2: played with more active hands when taking on blocks, but
• 1:21:47
  Speaker 2: fortunately he is somewhat active at the catch point. He'll
• 1:21:51
  Speaker 2: be used in coverage and can be effective in stopping
• 1:21:54
  Speaker 2: the run or blitzing the quarterback. Form tackling will certainly
• 1:21:57
  Speaker 2: need to be improved, as he's got far too many
• 1:22:00
  Speaker 2: misses on tape. Getting stronger will be important, but he's
• 1:22:03
  Speaker 2: got the desired skill set to become a starter, as
• 1:22:06
  Speaker 2: will just not there yet. I think he lacks a
• 1:22:09
  Speaker 2: lot of lower body strength at the point of attack.
• 1:22:12
  Speaker 2: I think he could get home more win blitzing. There
• 1:22:14
  Speaker 2: are times that he's just very like straight up and down.
• 1:22:19
  Speaker 2: Needs to wrap up better. As I mentioned, hands are
• 1:22:21
  Speaker 2: really just really slow. He like taking on blocks. He
• 1:22:25
  Speaker 2: just letting guys engage on his chest. He's not creating
• 1:22:28
  Speaker 2: that separation at the post. He's not swiping hands away consistently.
• 1:22:33
  Speaker 2: You know, well built at six one, two thirty five.
• 1:22:36
  Speaker 2: He can run, like I said, burst in some range there.
• 1:22:39
  Speaker 2: But just I just I thought he was kind of
• 1:22:43
  Speaker 2: similar as we talked about with CJ. Allenlow high cut
• 1:22:45
  Speaker 2: at times, and I just you know, he can get squatty,
• 1:22:48
  Speaker 2: he can get down in his stands. But there were
• 1:22:50
  Speaker 2: just there was a lot of a lot of little
• 1:22:51
  Speaker 2: things and nuances within his game where I'm like, I
• 1:22:54
  Speaker 2: don't know if that's necessarily what I'm gonna see from
• 1:22:56
  Speaker 2: an NFL linebacker. In the NFL, he might just be
• 1:22:59
  Speaker 2: more of like a special team's guy and then eventually
• 1:23:01
  Speaker 2: becomes a starter. But I don't know. It seems like
• 1:23:03
  Speaker 2: people love him and he could end up being a
• 1:23:05
  Speaker 2: Day two pick, like a solidified second round pick. When
• 1:23:09
  Speaker 2: I say Day two, but I think I'd rather have
• 1:23:11
  Speaker 2: him in the third round, maybe more so in the
• 1:23:14
  Speaker 2: back end of that third round. That's where I feel
• 1:23:16
  Speaker 2: comfortable taking him, just simply off the skill set. But
• 1:23:19
  Speaker 2: he did test well. He did have a good Senior
• 1:23:21
  Speaker 2: Bowl week. He had a couple of good, you know,
• 1:23:24
  Speaker 2: one on one reps. But those one on one reps
• 1:23:26
  Speaker 2: are always hit or miss. The defense is either gonna
• 1:23:28
  Speaker 2: get cooked or the offense is gonna get strapped up.
• 1:23:31
  Speaker 2: And that's just normally how it goes. It's never like
• 1:23:34
  Speaker 2: you know, even across the board, if you get what I'm.
• 1:23:37
  Speaker 1: Saying, Yeah, and there's not a ton of real world
• 1:23:41
  Speaker 1: application to it with just the scenario and how much
• 1:23:43
  Speaker 1: field there is to work and where you are. Yeah,
• 1:23:47
  Speaker 1: you're an even bigger Senior Bowl veteran than I am
• 1:23:50
  Speaker 1: with how many times you've been there. Yeah, I he's
• 1:23:53
  Speaker 1: another one too. Like eighty four percent out for his forty,
• 1:23:57
  Speaker 1: eighty eight percent out for the vert, seventy second sent
• 1:24:00
  Speaker 1: out for the broad, eighty six percent out for the
• 1:24:03
  Speaker 1: three cone drill. All these things then, like I so
• 1:24:06
  Speaker 1: like you hear that, and you're like, man, this dude
• 1:24:08
  Speaker 1: must cook on tape, he must move And I don't
• 1:24:11
  Speaker 1: see that. I don't see this like great fluid mover
• 1:24:14
  Speaker 1: and this awesome. Again, I think he's a fine player,
• 1:24:18
  Speaker 1: like if I'm very cool with like if he even
• 1:24:20
  Speaker 1: creeped up into the back end of the second and
• 1:24:22
  Speaker 1: be like okay, I get it, and a lot of it.
• 1:24:24
  Speaker 1: I think he's got good instincts, really good ball production.
• 1:24:27
  Speaker 1: Like again, like all the force fumbles, he's got a
• 1:24:29
  Speaker 1: real nice one. Oh, I forget who they're playing. I
• 1:24:33
  Speaker 1: was watching for Lee Hunter more than anything, and Rodriguez
• 1:24:36
  Speaker 1: made a play. It was like, I'm literally on the
• 1:24:38
  Speaker 1: one yard line. He scrapes over the top and he
• 1:24:41
  Speaker 1: just gets a punch in right as the guy's about
• 1:24:43
  Speaker 1: to cross the goal line forces the fumble. I don't
• 1:24:45
  Speaker 1: think Texas Tech recovered though. Actually what the game was
• 1:24:49
  Speaker 1: it let me just go my oh, might be ordered
• 1:24:53
  Speaker 1: the Oregon game.
• 1:24:54
  Speaker 2: I was gonna say Oregon State, but you might be right.
• 1:24:57
  Speaker 2: Oregon is probably what it.
• 1:24:58
  Speaker 1: Was, Oregon, because I have Oregon written down as one
• 1:25:02
  Speaker 1: of the games for Lee Hunter, and I don't think
• 1:25:04
  Speaker 1: it was one of the other uh two I watched
• 1:25:06
  Speaker 1: for him. But yeah, I you know, it's funny, even
• 1:25:10
  Speaker 1: like it's the first note I put for Jacob Rodriguez
• 1:25:16
  Speaker 1: was limited jumping, question mark, maybe poor explosion come testing time.
• 1:25:22
  Speaker 1: And then you look at his testing numbers and he
• 1:25:25
  Speaker 1: had a thirty eight and a half vert, which is
• 1:25:27
  Speaker 1: eighty eighth percentile. So like, and I'm now you might say, well,
• 1:25:32
  Speaker 1: I guess, Anthony, that means you don't know what you're watching.
• 1:25:34
  Speaker 3: No.
• 1:25:34
  Speaker 1: I watch this dude drop into coverage and a ball
• 1:25:37
  Speaker 1: get thrown over his head and he jumped to kind
• 1:25:40
  Speaker 1: of get it, and I could barely put a piece
• 1:25:42
  Speaker 1: of paper underneath his cleats with how he jumped. So
• 1:25:44
  Speaker 1: then like, I don't get He's just another one where
• 1:25:46
  Speaker 1: the testing didn't match the tape. I don't think he's
• 1:25:48
  Speaker 1: a bad player, but it's one that makes me feel
• 1:25:52
  Speaker 1: like I need to watch every snap because I see
• 1:25:54
  Speaker 1: a ton of love covery game. Yes, and I'm not
• 1:25:57
  Speaker 1: saying this in like a bad way. It makes me
• 1:26:00
  Speaker 1: feel like, what game have I not watched? What snaps
• 1:26:03
  Speaker 1: am I not seeing? Because I see a lot of
• 1:26:05
  Speaker 1: love for him and he's flying up draft boards and
• 1:26:08
  Speaker 1: oh man, I love I love you know, Jacob Rodriguez,
• 1:26:12
  Speaker 1: so on and so forth, and I'm just like, I
• 1:26:15
  Speaker 1: don't see it, and again I'm not done with my
• 1:26:17
  Speaker 1: email for him, So maybe I didn't get to the
• 1:26:20
  Speaker 1: right games. But what I have watched thus far, yeah,
• 1:26:23
  Speaker 1: I feel I feel like I'm left watching. I feel
• 1:26:25
  Speaker 1: like he's a fine player, but I don't see the
• 1:26:27
  Speaker 1: guy that's like shooting up draft shooting up draft boards
• 1:26:29
  Speaker 1: and who is kind of being billed. Yes, this like
• 1:26:32
  Speaker 1: lockdown coverage linebacker who's making splash plays left and right.
• 1:26:37
  Speaker 1: I just don't see that at this point. Again, fine linebacker.
• 1:26:40
  Speaker 1: I think he's a name to no. I think he
• 1:26:42
  Speaker 1: is part of why the linebacker class like does have
• 1:26:45
  Speaker 1: good death because it's like, okay, you could get Jacob
• 1:26:47
  Speaker 1: Rodriguez in the third round or the fourth or again,
• 1:26:50
  Speaker 1: if you're really like what he brings, maybe back into
• 1:26:52
  Speaker 1: round two. I think you know, he's definitely more than serviceable.
• 1:26:55
  Speaker 1: But yeah, I find it very I'm I'm glad that
• 1:26:59
  Speaker 1: you feel similarly, because he's one where I just I'm like, man, like, yeah,
• 1:27:03
  Speaker 1: I don't understand what I'm not seeing, Like do I
• 1:27:05
  Speaker 1: need to go back? Like what am I missing? Am
• 1:27:07
  Speaker 1: I reading the Am I reading him wrong?
• 1:27:10
  Speaker 2: Like?
• 1:27:10
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it just made me feel lost.
• 1:27:12
  Speaker 2: Yeah, the only thing that I'll give him the benefit
• 1:27:15
  Speaker 2: of the doubt on is that he was a three
• 1:27:17
  Speaker 2: star recruit recruited as a quarterback. He went to Virginia
• 1:27:20
  Speaker 2: to play quarterback, committed there, was there the whole deal,
• 1:27:25
  Speaker 2: and then ended up flipping to linebacker because he was
• 1:27:27
  Speaker 2: a former quarterback and safety in high school. He never
• 1:27:30
  Speaker 2: played linebackers, so relatively new to the foot to the position.
• 1:27:35
  Speaker 2: You know, older as well, though he'll be twenty four
• 1:27:37
  Speaker 2: in September. He transitioned to defense full time in twenty
• 1:27:40
  Speaker 2: twenty two, so he's still relatively I think raw in
• 1:27:44
  Speaker 2: a lot of areas because of that. He suffered an
• 1:27:46
  Speaker 2: ankle injury in twenty twenty two missed two games, and
• 1:27:49
  Speaker 2: then he had a mild footsprain in twenty twenty three
• 1:27:51
  Speaker 2: and missed eight games. So there's some lower body stuff
• 1:27:54
  Speaker 2: there and maybe that's what affected could be some of
• 1:27:57
  Speaker 2: the jump in believe.
• 1:27:58
  Speaker 1: He's not healthy. Yeah, he's playing banged up. He's not
• 1:28:01
  Speaker 1: able to go.
• 1:28:01
  Speaker 2: But that but that's the thing though, Like he's not
• 1:28:04
  Speaker 2: gonna jump thirty eight and a half inches in a
• 1:28:06
  Speaker 2: game anyways, So like like that's the other thing, Like
• 1:28:09
  Speaker 2: in a game where you you got to stop and
• 1:28:11
  Speaker 2: make a play on a dime and turn your hands
• 1:28:14
  Speaker 2: and move and maneuver to the football. I just I
• 1:28:17
  Speaker 2: think it gets a little dicey, and I think I
• 1:28:18
  Speaker 2: think there's some risk there taking him too soon. But
• 1:28:22
  Speaker 2: he's definitely a draftable player and a guy that I
• 1:28:25
  Speaker 2: think is gonna go later than people think personally.
• 1:28:27
  Speaker 1: But I also think to your point you talked about
• 1:28:30
  Speaker 1: like block deconstruction in some of like the hands and
• 1:28:33
  Speaker 1: everything in general, and letting blockers into his chest. I
• 1:28:36
  Speaker 1: think some of that is tied to the arm length.
• 1:28:38
  Speaker 1: He only has thirty and seven eighth inch arms, which
• 1:28:40
  Speaker 1: is eleventh percentile, And I know again like it might
• 1:28:43
  Speaker 1: be that's one thing. I think that's kind of a
• 1:28:45
  Speaker 1: big thing. That's part of the reason why Nacobe Dean
• 1:28:48
  Speaker 1: went late. Like everything from a Kobe Dean was great, processing,
• 1:28:50
  Speaker 1: the mentals, the foot speed, and it was like he's
• 1:28:53
  Speaker 1: got super short arms, how's he going to get off blocks?
• 1:28:55
  Speaker 1: And I worry about that. That also affects how high
• 1:28:59
  Speaker 1: you can jump. Right, you might have the greatest vert
• 1:29:01
  Speaker 1: in the world with your legs, but if you got
• 1:29:02
  Speaker 1: a little baby t rex arm, like you can't get
• 1:29:04
  Speaker 1: that arm up high enough, Like that's kind of tough. Yeah,
• 1:29:08
  Speaker 1: he is an interesting like.
• 1:29:10
  Speaker 2: There's a lot of there's a lot of Quant Alexander
• 1:29:13
  Speaker 2: to his game with maybe not as much explosiveness.
• 1:29:16
  Speaker 1: Oh that's fair. I like that, if you know what,
• 1:29:18
  Speaker 1: And I hope no one takes that as like negative
• 1:29:21
  Speaker 1: if he turned out to be quant Alexander. Kuan Alexander
• 1:29:23
  Speaker 1: had a bit of a run for like three to
• 1:29:24
  Speaker 1: four years where he was a pretty sick NFL linebacker
• 1:29:26
  Speaker 1: like that.
• 1:29:27
  Speaker 2: W yeah would take that. Yeah, No, he absolutely wasn't.
• 1:29:30
  Speaker 2: And the thing with Kwan was like, you know, it's
• 1:29:33
  Speaker 2: with any player, fit matters, right like that, you gotta
• 1:29:35
  Speaker 2: get guys that go to the right landing spot. If
• 1:29:37
  Speaker 2: he didn't go to Tampa Bay playing next to you know,
• 1:29:40
  Speaker 2: Levonte David some of those guys for a while, Yeah, yeah,
• 1:29:44
  Speaker 2: you know what I mean, Like if he didn't go
• 1:29:45
  Speaker 2: to that spot, and if he would have landed like
• 1:29:47
  Speaker 2: the New York Jets or you know, I don't I
• 1:29:49
  Speaker 2: don't know Cleveland Browns. Yeah, yeah, it would have been
• 1:29:55
  Speaker 2: a completely different scenario for him.
• 1:29:57
  Speaker 1: So anyways, what all right? So those are I think
• 1:30:00
  Speaker 1: those a lot of the early names. Let's give us
• 1:30:02
  Speaker 1: some other names to know, maybe favorites of yours, guys
• 1:30:06
  Speaker 1: that could be in Day two, day three, Just some
• 1:30:08
  Speaker 1: linebackers who you really like, because I also think too
• 1:30:11
  Speaker 1: will put this in perspective from a Bill's lens. Anyway,
• 1:30:15
  Speaker 1: Maybe the Bills believe in Dorian Williams as the starting
• 1:30:18
  Speaker 1: inside linebacker next to Terrel Bernard. So maybe they're looking
• 1:30:21
  Speaker 1: for more of a Day three linebacker, someone that they
• 1:30:23
  Speaker 1: can bring along and take Dorian's spot next year or
• 1:30:27
  Speaker 1: give him competition. Maybe they believe in him, so I
• 1:30:29
  Speaker 1: think it's good to just get some names overall as well.
• 1:30:32
  Speaker 1: So Nett Russ, who are some other guys that have
• 1:30:34
  Speaker 1: kind of made it under your radar for the linebacker spot?
• 1:30:37
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I'll throw. I'll throw three names. I won't go
• 1:30:39
  Speaker 2: in too much crazy detail on each one, but maybe
• 1:30:43
  Speaker 2: I will. I don't know. But Jake Goldie from Cincinnati
• 1:30:46
  Speaker 2: is another one six fourty.
• 1:30:48
  Speaker 1: He just got mocked to the Bills today or yesterday
• 1:30:52
  Speaker 1: by somebody who I forgot who, But yeah, he's been
• 1:30:55
  Speaker 1: creeping up some names.
• 1:30:56
  Speaker 2: Sorry continue and I was not going to talk about him,
• 1:30:59
  Speaker 2: but just at my my grades here on the on
• 1:31:02
  Speaker 2: the bottom. So I didn't know if you were going
• 1:31:04
  Speaker 2: to talk about him, but he's a former defensive end
• 1:31:08
  Speaker 2: from Central Arkansas. I moved to that off ball role
• 1:31:11
  Speaker 2: at Cincinnati, kind of played an overhang, big nickel role
• 1:31:15
  Speaker 2: for them. It was kind of weird. I don't know.
• 1:31:16
  Speaker 2: I don't know why at six four to two forty
• 1:31:17
  Speaker 2: your doing that. I'm probably I'm probably putting Hm in
• 1:31:20
  Speaker 2: the box. Playing a little bit closer line of scrimmage,
• 1:31:22
  Speaker 2: but really flexible, good you know, relatively good change of
• 1:31:26
  Speaker 2: direction ability. He can gain depth quickly in his coverage drops,
• 1:31:30
  Speaker 2: alignment versatility is going to be through the roof for him.
• 1:31:33
  Speaker 2: So if you're going to run multiple fronts, whether you
• 1:31:36
  Speaker 2: play him off the ball or on the ball, I
• 1:31:38
  Speaker 2: think he can do those things. He's effective when blitzing,
• 1:31:40
  Speaker 2: active at the line of scrimmage. He's got the ability
• 1:31:43
  Speaker 2: to flip his hips and run good bend and chase
• 1:31:46
  Speaker 2: player as well. He's going to gain and close quickly.
• 1:31:49
  Speaker 2: But pad level it rises on contact that's going to
• 1:31:52
  Speaker 2: be problematic whether you're tackling or taking on blocks. I
• 1:31:55
  Speaker 2: think there's a lot of balance concerns. I felt like
• 1:31:57
  Speaker 2: he just got knocked around far too often. Drifted in
• 1:32:02
  Speaker 2: zone coverage a lot. You know, it's great that he
• 1:32:04
  Speaker 2: can get out in space, but I think you know,
• 1:32:07
  Speaker 2: when you're drifting, you're you're not you know, you're not
• 1:32:09
  Speaker 2: gonna put yourself in a position to make a play
• 1:32:11
  Speaker 2: on the football because you're gonna get choice routes all
• 1:32:14
  Speaker 2: day long on you. And he's gonna be he's gonna
• 1:32:16
  Speaker 2: get you know, just kind of exposed there. He's gonna
• 1:32:19
  Speaker 2: hesitate with his hands in the box as well, which
• 1:32:21
  Speaker 2: is maybe why they moved him at times in that
• 1:32:23
  Speaker 2: off ball out in space role, let him cover some ground.
• 1:32:27
  Speaker 2: I think he could contribute right away, but it might
• 1:32:30
  Speaker 2: be you know, probably a season or two before he's
• 1:32:32
  Speaker 2: an every down starter for a team. He's gonna contribute
• 1:32:35
  Speaker 2: like in a role player role, maybe similar to like
• 1:32:37
  Speaker 2: Malcolm Rodriguez in Detroit, but but he's not. He's not
• 1:32:42
  Speaker 2: necessarily the same player or like built the same way
• 1:32:44
  Speaker 2: in any way. But there's some injury history there with him.
• 1:32:48
  Speaker 2: He had an ankle injury in twenty twenty five. He
• 1:32:50
  Speaker 2: was injured during the week of the Shrine Bowl. You know,
• 1:32:53
  Speaker 2: only played twenty four games for Cincinnati's still good, but
• 1:32:56
  Speaker 2: you know, You're going from Central Arkansas to Cincinnati, so
• 1:32:59
  Speaker 2: level of competition and there's some question marks there. I
• 1:33:01
  Speaker 2: think he's more of like a Sam maybe inside linebacker,
• 1:33:04
  Speaker 2: maybe more of like a Will in the NFL, like
• 1:33:07
  Speaker 2: in an odd front, you.
• 1:33:09
  Speaker 1: Know, but not in like like the Bills exactly.
• 1:33:12
  Speaker 2: So yeah, I'm intrigued with him. I would take him,
• 1:33:16
  Speaker 2: you know, no sooner than the fourth round for sure.
• 1:33:20
  Speaker 2: And I went way too in depth there with Jake
• 1:33:21
  Speaker 2: Goldie's to my fault. The other the other one, Harold Perkins.
• 1:33:25
  Speaker 2: If he would have never torn his ACL in twenty
• 1:33:27
  Speaker 2: twenty four, we wouldn't even be having this conversation. This guy,
• 1:33:31
  Speaker 2: what he was doing at eighteen years of age at
• 1:33:33
  Speaker 2: LSU in twenty twenty two is ridiculous.
• 1:33:36
  Speaker 1: He played as a true freshman, right, I'm not crazy
• 1:33:37
  Speaker 1: and remembering that, Yeah, his true freshman stuff was nuts.
• 1:33:40
  Speaker 2: Yeah, if you just go to Harold Perkins Highlights twenty
• 1:33:43
  Speaker 2: twenty two, do yourself praise YouTube that before bed It's
• 1:33:46
  Speaker 2: insane what he could do. Sit there.
• 1:33:49
  Speaker 1: I was saying about watching him as a true freshman,
• 1:33:50
  Speaker 1: and I remember being like, man, but when he's a
• 1:33:52
  Speaker 1: junior and eligible for the draft, he's going to be
• 1:33:54
  Speaker 1: like the best player in the draft. It's not even
• 1:33:55
  Speaker 1: gonna be close.
• 1:33:56
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:33:56
  Speaker 1: I felt I felt about him as a freshman at
• 1:33:59
  Speaker 1: LSU the way I felt about watching Ruben Brent Bain
• 1:34:03
  Speaker 1: as a true freshman at Miami. I was like, Oh
• 1:34:06
  Speaker 1: my God, like this dude is gonna be insane, Like
• 1:34:08
  Speaker 1: I gotta play him wherever. Yeah and yeah yeah ye man, yep.
• 1:34:12
  Speaker 2: And the problem with Perkins is he's six one two
• 1:34:14
  Speaker 2: twenty three not not big at all, twenty three percent
• 1:34:18
  Speaker 2: tile with arm length at thirty one and three eights
• 1:34:21
  Speaker 2: eight eight inch hands zero percent tile for arm or
• 1:34:26
  Speaker 2: hand size in UH as a linebacker. So I really
• 1:34:29
  Speaker 2: struggle with just where he's gonna play. I think he's
• 1:34:32
  Speaker 2: certainly a you know, third fourth round pick because he's
• 1:34:35
  Speaker 2: a weapon. I view him as a weapon. I'm gonna
• 1:34:38
  Speaker 2: put him in a lot of different spots. He's gonna
• 1:34:40
  Speaker 2: rush the passer. He's gonna play in the alley, in
• 1:34:42
  Speaker 2: that overhang role. He's gonna drop in a coverage a
• 1:34:46
  Speaker 2: little bit for me, but I'm gonna let him get
• 1:34:48
  Speaker 2: his range and show the ability to go sideline a sideline.
• 1:34:53
  Speaker 2: He's gonna play down in that box, filling the run
• 1:34:55
  Speaker 2: a little bit and then just rush the passer. For
• 1:34:57
  Speaker 2: for me personally, if I if I could pick where
• 1:35:01
  Speaker 2: I would draft him. But the other one with just
• 1:35:03
  Speaker 2: conviction that I'm going to be able to do essentially
• 1:35:06
  Speaker 2: the same thing, but I feel like I know he's
• 1:35:09
  Speaker 2: going to be healthy is Jayson Barum from Michigan. He
• 1:35:15
  Speaker 2: is just super violent, willing to do the dirty work
• 1:35:20
  Speaker 2: for a defense. He aligns from multiple spots, effective stand
• 1:35:23
  Speaker 2: up pass rusher, six three and a half two hundred
• 1:35:26
  Speaker 2: and forty pounds, relatively good hands. The aggressive play style
• 1:35:30
  Speaker 2: is probably going to force him to play out of
• 1:35:32
  Speaker 2: control from time to time, but that first step quickness,
• 1:35:35
  Speaker 2: the ability to play off ball at times and be
• 1:35:37
  Speaker 2: that hook curl or flat zone defender is really impressive.
• 1:35:42
  Speaker 2: Great ben and burst to the quarterback. He can dip
• 1:35:44
  Speaker 2: and rip, he can run the arc. I really like him.
• 1:35:48
  Speaker 2: I just I couldn't stop watching his game. I started
• 1:35:50
  Speaker 2: with Wisconsin. Next thing I know, I'm watching Maryland Northwestern.
• 1:35:53
  Speaker 2: I remember him from watching him, you know, beat down
• 1:35:55
  Speaker 2: my Michigan State Spartans. But there's a lot to like
• 1:35:59
  Speaker 2: with Jason Jayshawn Barram and I mentioned him because I
• 1:36:03
  Speaker 2: think he's a player that you might see within your division,
• 1:36:06
  Speaker 2: whether it be with Buffalo or potentially a team like
• 1:36:08
  Speaker 2: the Miami Dolphins or even the New England Patriots. So
• 1:36:11
  Speaker 2: I think he fits just so many different fronts. He
• 1:36:15
  Speaker 2: can do so much. Man, he's he's a fun player.
• 1:36:17
  Speaker 2: He graded out really well for me at six three,
• 1:36:19
  Speaker 2: So I like him.
• 1:36:20
  Speaker 1: So higher than who is the six one for you,
• 1:36:24
  Speaker 1: Anthony Hill.
• 1:36:25
  Speaker 2: Yep, he's high. He was higher than Jacob Rodriguez and
• 1:36:28
  Speaker 2: Anthony Hill. And I put him at linebacker because he's
• 1:36:31
  Speaker 2: two hundred and forty pounds. If he was like to fifty,
• 1:36:33
  Speaker 2: I'd be like edge Chad, same thing with Rvel Reese.
• 1:36:36
  Speaker 2: Put him at edge. Not saying that those guys can't
• 1:36:39
  Speaker 2: play edge. Barham might be a seven eight sack guy
• 1:36:42
  Speaker 2: in the NFL, but the way he was played at Michigan,
• 1:36:45
  Speaker 2: he played off the ball at times. I gotta I
• 1:36:47
  Speaker 2: just gotta go with what I feel on that. But
• 1:36:50
  Speaker 2: that's a that's a different conversation.
• 1:36:52
  Speaker 1: Fair. I'm gonna use that as a springboard into the
• 1:36:57
  Speaker 1: edge targets for the Buffalo Bills in round on slash
• 1:37:00
  Speaker 1: early and some names to know want to start with
• 1:37:04
  Speaker 1: someone who I think, actually ironically, I think someone of
• 1:37:09
  Speaker 1: no mocked Cashius Howell to the Bills today, maybe Daniel Jeremiah,
• 1:37:13
  Speaker 1: somebody like that Wenna. We were gonna talk about it regardless,
• 1:37:16
  Speaker 1: it was just funny how that kind of happened. Leading
• 1:37:17
  Speaker 1: in today, I want to talk about Casius Howell because
• 1:37:21
  Speaker 1: of and we're gonna lead off with him and then
• 1:37:24
  Speaker 1: use kind of that as our our jump off point there.
• 1:37:28
  Speaker 1: I feel like of the edge players, right, I think
• 1:37:32
  Speaker 1: Bane no shot David Bailey, even though you know we'll
• 1:37:37
  Speaker 1: see what he is no shot. I think there's a
• 1:37:40
  Speaker 1: chance like Mesador Falk Howell, Parker Our, Mason Thomas, Zion Young,
• 1:37:47
  Speaker 1: like maybe Malchi, Lawrence, Derek Moore. Like I feel like
• 1:37:50
  Speaker 1: there's some combination of like guys who will go in
• 1:37:52
  Speaker 1: the first round or like really in that like twenty
• 1:37:55
  Speaker 1: to forty range, twenty to forty forty five. It may
• 1:37:58
  Speaker 1: depend on fit, it may depend on scheme and what
• 1:38:01
  Speaker 1: you like. But I want to start with Cashus Howell
• 1:38:04
  Speaker 1: because this Bill's edge grouping Greg Grusoe, Bradley Chubb, Michael Hoyt,
• 1:38:12
  Speaker 1: who has methleticism in some versatility and then Javon Solomon,
• 1:38:15
  Speaker 1: who we don't really know what he is a player
• 1:38:16
  Speaker 1: at this point. But this edge grouping needs juice, they
• 1:38:19
  Speaker 1: need get off, they need burst anything in everything that
• 1:38:23
  Speaker 1: Cashus Howell is, which is essentially a bit of a
• 1:38:27
  Speaker 1: veloci raptor, which is not a term I throw around regularly.
• 1:38:31
  Speaker 1: It's a term I reserve for guys that I like.
• 1:38:34
  Speaker 1: But the frame, the arm length, I think is a
• 1:38:39
  Speaker 1: legitimate concern. We talked about it earlier, or you mentioned
• 1:38:42
  Speaker 1: it earlier, and I want to look at a confirm Yeah,
• 1:38:45
  Speaker 1: zero percentile for arm length and the first percentile for wingspan.
• 1:38:49
  Speaker 1: He's got thirty and a quarter inch arms a seventy
• 1:38:52
  Speaker 1: four and a quarter inch wingspan, but ninety second percentile
• 1:38:55
  Speaker 1: ten yard split, ninetieth percent out, forty fortieth percent out
• 1:38:59
  Speaker 1: for the vert and forty fourth for the broad, which
• 1:39:02
  Speaker 1: I was surprised because he plays with a lot of
• 1:39:05
  Speaker 1: juice and a lot of bursts and a lot of explosion.
• 1:39:07
  Speaker 1: But let's lead off with Cashus Howell. What do you
• 1:39:09
  Speaker 1: think about him? I think he's gonna be a highlight
• 1:39:12
  Speaker 1: scouting dream for a lot of folks because his highlights
• 1:39:14
  Speaker 1: are immaculate and just so fun. What is he for you?
• 1:39:18
  Speaker 1: Is he a guy that creeps into the first round?
• 1:39:20
  Speaker 1: Where does he fall for you? In the edge grouping?
• 1:39:22
  Speaker 1: Is the arm length too much? Is it something he
• 1:39:25
  Speaker 1: can't overcome? What are your thoughts on Cashus Howell as
• 1:39:27
  Speaker 1: the player and the fit here?
• 1:39:29
  Speaker 2: Love love love love love the player. The way that
• 1:39:33
  Speaker 2: he takes off Garrett nus Meyer's head in that LSU
• 1:39:36
  Speaker 2: game is honest.
• 1:39:37
  Speaker 1: He he dips the way he I know exactly the
• 1:39:41
  Speaker 1: sack you're talking about. When the way he dips, it's
• 1:39:45
  Speaker 1: it's not just that he has the dip in the bend.
• 1:39:46
  Speaker 1: He kind of flashes the arm like he's gonna flash
• 1:39:48
  Speaker 1: for the ghost a little bit, and then he just dips.
• 1:39:50
  Speaker 1: It's his go to thing, right, dip and bend around
• 1:39:52
  Speaker 1: the arc. Yeah, but the way he does it, it's
• 1:39:55
  Speaker 1: the dip in the bend in like the hips and
• 1:39:58
  Speaker 1: then the ankle flexion, and it's the way he dips
• 1:40:01
  Speaker 1: and bends while he turns and flattens. And then also
• 1:40:07
  Speaker 1: he accelerates as he bends. You can see it.
• 1:40:10
  Speaker 2: You can see it.
• 1:40:11
  Speaker 1: Better on the sideline angle when he dips and bends
• 1:40:15
  Speaker 1: under he accelerates through like through the apex of a
• 1:40:19
  Speaker 1: turn like a street racer.
• 1:40:20
  Speaker 2: Yeh.
• 1:40:21
  Speaker 1: And he picks up steam, accelerates through the article while
• 1:40:24
  Speaker 1: he's dipping and bending and flattens and then comes up
• 1:40:28
  Speaker 1: for air and just hammers us much. Yeah. I know
• 1:40:31
  Speaker 1: one play does not an evaluation make, but damn that
• 1:40:36
  Speaker 1: play is sexy as hell.
• 1:40:37
  Speaker 2: And it's fun. It is man, and he's a guy
• 1:40:42
  Speaker 2: that I would pound the table for, just simply because
• 1:40:46
  Speaker 2: if you swing and you miss, okay, you probably know
• 1:40:49
  Speaker 2: why you miss. It's either because he's a cycle off
• 1:40:52
  Speaker 2: the field or the arm length just was too problematic
• 1:40:56
  Speaker 2: for him to overcome. But at the end of the day, like,
• 1:40:58
  Speaker 2: I don't think he's gonna be there the turn in
• 1:41:00
  Speaker 2: the second round for you, Like, I don't think he
• 1:41:02
  Speaker 2: makes it out of the top forty picks in this
• 1:41:04
  Speaker 2: draft because of that burst and that explosiveness and that bend.
• 1:41:09
  Speaker 2: There's just too much there. And when you have a
• 1:41:11
  Speaker 2: good defensive coordinator, you can deploy him in any which way.
• 1:41:14
  Speaker 2: And he also shows that it's not just off the edge.
• 1:41:17
  Speaker 2: He can play off the ball yeah, and he can
• 1:41:20
  Speaker 2: go yeah yeah, and he can go and get it
• 1:41:23
  Speaker 2: and he can you know, blitz from the middle of
• 1:41:25
  Speaker 2: the field. He can, you know, like we said, go
• 1:41:27
  Speaker 2: off the edge. So I really like him. He graded
• 1:41:30
  Speaker 2: for me with a six point five grade. I mentioned
• 1:41:33
  Speaker 2: that first step terrific bend in flexibility, explosive movements when
• 1:41:37
  Speaker 2: changing direction, which is just I think rare. You don't
• 1:41:40
  Speaker 2: see that very often when guys are changing direction, to
• 1:41:43
  Speaker 2: have like an extra gear of explosiveness. He can be
• 1:41:47
  Speaker 2: a bend and chase player all day long. Broughder arms
• 1:41:50
  Speaker 2: again problematic play strength is going to be problematic against
• 1:41:53
  Speaker 2: the run. Hands can hit too wide and high at
• 1:41:57
  Speaker 2: times when he's you know, trying to work his hands.
• 1:41:59
  Speaker 2: But the pass rush variance that he has is next level,
• 1:42:03
  Speaker 2: man like, It's some of the best variants or variety
• 1:42:07
  Speaker 2: in pass rush moves of any pass rusher in the draft.
• 1:42:12
  Speaker 2: And I wish he was a little bit longer. I
• 1:42:14
  Speaker 2: wish he was a little bit bigger. It makes me
• 1:42:16
  Speaker 2: think back to twenty twenty four with Gabriel Murphy all
• 1:42:19
  Speaker 2: over again at UCLA. Who was my boy coming out
• 1:42:22
  Speaker 2: at six two two forty seven, but he only had
• 1:42:25
  Speaker 2: thirty and a half inch arms, But he was crazy
• 1:42:28
  Speaker 2: explosive and it just didn't work. It's not working out
• 1:42:30
  Speaker 2: for him. I hope that's not Cashier's Howell, but I
• 1:42:33
  Speaker 2: think the explosiveness and that pass rush variance, it's it's
• 1:42:36
  Speaker 2: just different for Cash's Howel compared to Gabriel Murphy and
• 1:42:39
  Speaker 2: other players. So I love the skill set. And if
• 1:42:43
  Speaker 2: I'm the Bills, some of my guys are gone. If
• 1:42:45
  Speaker 2: this guy's available at pick twenty six, I'm probably I'm
• 1:42:49
  Speaker 2: probably taking him just because what Jim Leonard I think
• 1:42:51
  Speaker 2: can get out of them. So that's where iyan with
• 1:42:53
  Speaker 2: Casher's how I think. I think he can be a
• 1:42:55
  Speaker 2: plug and play guy.
• 1:42:56
  Speaker 1: What I like with him for the Bills is he
• 1:43:01
  Speaker 1: can and not that he would just be this for forever,
• 1:43:04
  Speaker 1: but he really can be such a strong designated pass
• 1:43:07
  Speaker 1: rusher like it's third and long or it's it's a
• 1:43:10
  Speaker 1: known passing down in distance. Cool. Just put him out
• 1:43:12
  Speaker 1: there and let him hunt like he would be such
• 1:43:14
  Speaker 1: a fun addition. We'll see what Michael hoydt is like.
• 1:43:18
  Speaker 1: When I saw that comment, that's funny, I'm laughing at that.
• 1:43:23
  Speaker 1: I saw you smirking that. I looked a thought like,
• 1:43:26
  Speaker 1: we'll see what Michael hoyd is like coming back from
• 1:43:27
  Speaker 1: the Achilles. But what Rousseau is power length compression? Right,
• 1:43:33
  Speaker 1: Bradley Chubb a little more athleticism and some more like
• 1:43:36
  Speaker 1: flexibility and fluidity in his body, a little more burds,
• 1:43:39
  Speaker 1: but still power compression type of guy. Hoyt's a physical
• 1:43:42
  Speaker 1: power compression guy, but he has some athletic skill set
• 1:43:45
  Speaker 1: versatility to him. You throw Howell in there, He's unlike
• 1:43:49
  Speaker 1: anyone that they have, and I think he's somebody who
• 1:43:51
  Speaker 1: could you could bring along and in the meantime just
• 1:43:53
  Speaker 1: be like, hey man, we know they're passing on this drive.
• 1:43:56
  Speaker 1: Just go hunt, Just go rush off the edge, go
• 1:43:58
  Speaker 1: be fast and crazy and nuts. And yeah, I just
• 1:44:02
  Speaker 1: think his skill set works really well as a complimentary
• 1:44:04
  Speaker 1: piece in that edge room for the bills and even
• 1:44:06
  Speaker 1: for a lot of teams. But I'm with you for
• 1:44:09
  Speaker 1: a lot of it. I'm just gonna read off my notes.
• 1:44:11
  Speaker 1: The first thing I put, yeah, zero percentile arm length,
• 1:44:15
  Speaker 1: and then I put parentheses. Check this on other sites?
• 1:44:18
  Speaker 1: Is this correct? And it is? Dip bend juice Velociraptor
• 1:44:23
  Speaker 1: accelerates through the arc. Testing metrics for explosion vert in
• 1:44:27
  Speaker 1: the broad We're slightly below mid, which is surprising, but
• 1:44:31
  Speaker 1: it's forty and ten yard where the ninety second and
• 1:44:33
  Speaker 1: ninety percent out respectively. His go to moves or that
• 1:44:36
  Speaker 1: dip under the hands, essentially a ghost rush. He also
• 1:44:39
  Speaker 1: has a spin move also used as a cross chop.
• 1:44:41
  Speaker 1: More of that jumping cross chop not yes, the eurostep one.
• 1:44:45
  Speaker 1: I like that he understands pass rush plan. You know,
• 1:44:47
  Speaker 1: he can chain moves together. He'll feign moves. If he's
• 1:44:50
  Speaker 1: throwing that cross chop, he'll throw it and then feign
• 1:44:54
  Speaker 1: it and use it to spin back inside.
• 1:44:57
  Speaker 2: I think he's got one rep. That spin move is
• 1:44:59
  Speaker 2: nast Yes.
• 1:45:00
  Speaker 1: He'll when he hits it, he hits it, Yeah, just
• 1:45:04
  Speaker 1: real clean. I think he's a responsible backside defender, you know,
• 1:45:08
  Speaker 1: on the kind of those BCR responsibilities, boots, counters, cut, back, reverse,
• 1:45:12
  Speaker 1: whatever it is. Like, he's responsible in that regard. He's
• 1:45:15
  Speaker 1: athletic and fluid enough to function as a dropper off
• 1:45:18
  Speaker 1: the edge, so you can put him into the flats,
• 1:45:20
  Speaker 1: you can drop him into the hook curls a little bit.
• 1:45:23
  Speaker 1: If guys get into his body, he's in trouble. Tackles
• 1:45:26
  Speaker 1: can chuck him. There's two back, back to back plays
• 1:45:28
  Speaker 1: in that LSU game. Aside from the saxon Nussmeier one
• 1:45:33
  Speaker 1: is a negative. He the left tackle gets into him,
• 1:45:35
  Speaker 1: literally picks him up and like belly to belly, souplexes
• 1:45:39
  Speaker 1: him into the ground and then just lays on him.
• 1:45:42
  Speaker 1: Then the very and then the LSU runs it down
• 1:45:44
  Speaker 1: to like the two yard line. The next play, though,
• 1:45:48
  Speaker 1: the left tackle tries to jump set him, takes an
• 1:45:50
  Speaker 1: aggressive set towards him, and they run the ball and
• 1:45:53
  Speaker 1: Howell gets off the line dips under him immediately like
• 1:45:56
  Speaker 1: a boxer like Bobbin and Weaven gets down the line
• 1:45:58
  Speaker 1: and helps make a play against the run. But yeah,
• 1:46:01
  Speaker 1: it tackles can chuck him. Tight Ends can pin him.
• 1:46:05
  Speaker 1: That little tight end for Arkansas was pinning him all
• 1:46:08
  Speaker 1: day in that game. And then I wonder, like, how
• 1:46:11
  Speaker 1: does NFL length and strength play against him, Like if
• 1:46:14
  Speaker 1: he gets attached to is he done? I like that
• 1:46:16
  Speaker 1: he can rush from both sides. The ankle flection is
• 1:46:19
  Speaker 1: a big time plus. That's rare. I'd also like to see,
• 1:46:23
  Speaker 1: you know, a lot of his game really is running
• 1:46:25
  Speaker 1: that arc. Granted, he's very good at it, and he
• 1:46:27
  Speaker 1: will work an inside move like he'll just he'll rush
• 1:46:30
  Speaker 1: up field stab with the like outside foot cut back inside.
• 1:46:33
  Speaker 1: He has that spin. I'd like to see more speed
• 1:46:36
  Speaker 1: to power, just because he is so bursting in athletic
• 1:46:39
  Speaker 1: and I know he doesn't have the arm link, but
• 1:46:40
  Speaker 1: I'd like to see him try to go through a
• 1:46:41
  Speaker 1: guy every once in a while a little bit more.
• 1:46:44
  Speaker 2: He does run game, he'll try to like throw his
• 1:46:47
  Speaker 2: body at somebody like he's a little bit like I'm
• 1:46:51
  Speaker 2: trying to think of like a wrestling reference here, but
• 1:46:53
  Speaker 2: I'm blanking.
• 1:46:56
  Speaker 1: But yeah, he does. He tries to like mash against
• 1:46:58
  Speaker 1: the run, like let me get just tossed out the club. Yeah,
• 1:47:01
  Speaker 1: he gets tossed like and he's physical though, like he'll
• 1:47:05
  Speaker 1: try in long arm, but he's gonna lose first touch
• 1:47:07
  Speaker 1: and if guys get him, they're literally just like fo
• 1:47:09
  Speaker 1: out of here and like bounce him, and or if
• 1:47:12
  Speaker 1: he tries to set the edge, he can, but he's
• 1:47:15
  Speaker 1: gonna get widened out first. And now that b gap
• 1:47:18
  Speaker 1: is a little wider because he got pushed out. So
• 1:47:22
  Speaker 1: I just wonder what he can be from a play
• 1:47:23
  Speaker 1: strength standpoint, from a point of attack player, like can
• 1:47:27
  Speaker 1: you do you have to play him on the open side, like,
• 1:47:31
  Speaker 1: especially with how many teams are running duo and stuff. Now,
• 1:47:33
  Speaker 1: can you leave him on the closed side or teams
• 1:47:35
  Speaker 1: with some blocking tight ends just gonna.
• 1:47:37
  Speaker 2: Push him downfield. He's gonna get like. You gotta put
• 1:47:41
  Speaker 2: him on that You're right, you gotta put him on
• 1:47:42
  Speaker 2: that weak side. You gotta get him out of there
• 1:47:44
  Speaker 2: because he's gonna get cooked. He'll get cooked.
• 1:47:47
  Speaker 1: That's that and that's my fear. But I'm so I man,
• 1:47:50
  Speaker 1: like I so, I have reservations because of the play strength,
• 1:47:54
  Speaker 1: the size frame, the arm length is a very real concern.
• 1:47:58
  Speaker 1: But damn that juice is real. The explosion is real,
• 1:48:01
  Speaker 1: like get all is real. The violence. Yeah, he's fun,
• 1:48:04
  Speaker 1: like I He's another one where like I'd be cooler
• 1:48:08
  Speaker 1: with him than CJ. Allen just because I think Howell
• 1:48:11
  Speaker 1: can work, Like I think Howell's floor can still work. Granted,
• 1:48:13
  Speaker 1: I think Allen's floor works as well, even though the
• 1:48:16
  Speaker 1: different positions, but like, I think Allen's mentals give him
• 1:48:18
  Speaker 1: a high floor. Howell is just a rare twitch up
• 1:48:21
  Speaker 1: kind of dude. But yeah, I think the size of
• 1:48:23
  Speaker 1: the frame, the arm length is a concern for him.
• 1:48:26
  Speaker 1: There any other edges I know that It's like it's
• 1:48:30
  Speaker 1: it's a broader like conversation too. Are there edges for
• 1:48:33
  Speaker 1: you that you like more in the back end of
• 1:48:36
  Speaker 1: round one that you think or it might be a
• 1:48:38
  Speaker 1: good fit, or just a player you like in general?
• 1:48:40
  Speaker 1: Like who are some other edges for you that are
• 1:48:42
  Speaker 1: the back end a round one or like early round
• 1:48:45
  Speaker 1: two or some names that really you know you're a
• 1:48:47
  Speaker 1: fan of he you've gravitated towards their game.
• 1:48:50
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean TJ. Parker from Clemson for sure, that
• 1:48:54
  Speaker 2: one will just always be a win for me because
• 1:48:58
  Speaker 2: he reminds me so much of Chris brass Well, And
• 1:49:00
  Speaker 2: I was a big Chris.
• 1:49:01
  Speaker 1: Brow Oh Chris Brasswell, you were.
• 1:49:03
  Speaker 2: So And he still might be great. We never know,
• 1:49:08
  Speaker 2: but you know, with Parker, they're just very similar, like
• 1:49:11
  Speaker 2: good blend of speed and power, effective long arm.
• 1:49:14
  Speaker 1: Move long arm, Like it starts and ends with the
• 1:49:17
  Speaker 1: long arm for t J. Parker.
• 1:49:19
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and that's one thing, like he has to develop
• 1:49:22
  Speaker 2: some type of counter and establish a better pass rush plan.
• 1:49:26
  Speaker 2: Get some type of chop swipe in there, you know,
• 1:49:29
  Speaker 2: whether it be a get a double swipe move in there,
• 1:49:31
  Speaker 2: just something that's that you can also hang your hat on,
• 1:49:34
  Speaker 2: not just the long arm all the time, because once
• 1:49:36
  Speaker 2: once that gets solved and you become predictable, then you
• 1:49:38
  Speaker 2: become one dimensional, and then you're out of the league.
• 1:49:41
  Speaker 2: So I have some concerns there. I think he needs
• 1:49:44
  Speaker 2: to squeeze down blocks a little bit better and more consistently.
• 1:49:47
  Speaker 2: In the run game, there were times you know he's
• 1:49:48
  Speaker 2: getting reached or he's you know, getting kicked out far
• 1:49:51
  Speaker 2: too easy. Uh, probably got to work on wrong arm
• 1:49:54
  Speaker 2: and some things. But his hands, when he hits, he
• 1:49:56
  Speaker 2: strikes first, he strikes quick. There's some power behind his hands.
• 1:50:00
  Speaker 2: I watched five total games from you know between twenty
• 1:50:03
  Speaker 2: twenty four and twenty twenty five.
• 1:50:05
  Speaker 1: I like his motor.
• 1:50:06
  Speaker 2: I like his ben in some of his flexibility. There
• 1:50:09
  Speaker 2: are times that he looks a little stiff and isn't
• 1:50:11
  Speaker 2: always able to bend down the line of scrimmat or
• 1:50:13
  Speaker 2: turn the corner and flatten the quarterback. But he's gonna
• 1:50:17
  Speaker 2: be able to run that arc, and he's gonna he's
• 1:50:19
  Speaker 2: gonna make offensive tackles work. And I think he's one
• 1:50:22
  Speaker 2: of those guys that you know you're not gonna get
• 1:50:24
  Speaker 2: in that you know, late second round range. He's not
• 1:50:26
  Speaker 2: gonna follow you in the third round so he's gonna
• 1:50:30
  Speaker 2: be a top forty pick for sure. And I could
• 1:50:32
  Speaker 2: see him going even sooner than the Bills at twenty six.
• 1:50:35
  Speaker 2: So I mean, I could see him going. You know,
• 1:50:37
  Speaker 2: if Carolina wouldn't have gone crazy with the edge rushers,
• 1:50:40
  Speaker 2: I think they could have, you know, easily considered him.
• 1:50:43
  Speaker 2: And you know, again, maybe that's something that Minnesota does.
• 1:50:45
  Speaker 2: Maybe that's the player they consider if they're moving Jonathan Grenard.
• 1:50:48
  Speaker 2: So we'll see. But I really like a t J. Parker,
• 1:50:52
  Speaker 2: another guy that's probably not a borderline first round guy anymore.
• 1:50:56
  Speaker 2: He was Zion Young for sure, we'll see. I don't
• 1:51:01
  Speaker 2: know where he's gonna fall because similar to TJ. Parker,
• 1:51:04
  Speaker 2: he needs to establish a counter move. He really I
• 1:51:08
  Speaker 2: left his film wanting a little bit more, and I
• 1:51:11
  Speaker 2: wanted to see a guy that had a much more
• 1:51:15
  Speaker 2: expanded toolbox for how his his career has has gone.
• 1:51:19
  Speaker 2: He was at Michigan State, ended up at Missouri. He's
• 1:51:21
  Speaker 2: kind of bounced around a little bit. He's been coached
• 1:51:24
  Speaker 2: by some pretty good guys, and I just felt like
• 1:51:26
  Speaker 2: there was opportunities for him to have something a little
• 1:51:28
  Speaker 2: bit more established and kind of like a go to
• 1:51:30
  Speaker 2: pass rush move to hang his head on, and it
• 1:51:33
  Speaker 2: just doesn't feel like that. I just feel like he's
• 1:51:35
  Speaker 2: out there to kind of win any way he can
• 1:51:38
  Speaker 2: without really having the technique needed to do it. If
• 1:51:41
  Speaker 2: that makes sense.
• 1:51:42
  Speaker 1: I think that's fair.
• 1:51:43
  Speaker 2: But at six six two sixty two, he's got the
• 1:51:46
  Speaker 2: ideal frame to stop the run, really good length to
• 1:51:48
  Speaker 2: create separation, athletic and powerful enough for either an odd
• 1:51:52
  Speaker 2: or even front. He's he's gonna duck his head on
• 1:51:56
  Speaker 2: his pass rush at times like so, he's gonna put
• 1:51:58
  Speaker 2: his head down and he's gonna stumble all over the place,
• 1:52:02
  Speaker 2: which I don't like. I want guys that have their
• 1:52:04
  Speaker 2: heads up and they can see what they're doing and
• 1:52:06
  Speaker 2: read and react, so he doesn't always do that. And
• 1:52:09
  Speaker 2: then just one last guy, if I could, Who's who's
• 1:52:13
  Speaker 2: more of a second round pick all day long? But
• 1:52:16
  Speaker 2: it's it's Gabe Jacas from Illinois. I just love the
• 1:52:19
  Speaker 2: skill set he.
• 1:52:21
  Speaker 1: Untie in to his defensive line coach from Illinois is
• 1:52:24
  Speaker 1: now on the Buffalo Bills.
• 1:52:27
  Speaker 2: There you go, and I you know you're good, And
• 1:52:30
  Speaker 2: I think that's the thing. Like he he's a guy
• 1:52:33
  Speaker 2: that is gonna be a far better pro than a
• 1:52:37
  Speaker 2: college player. And and that's not because he I don't
• 1:52:40
  Speaker 2: and I don't think he was a bad college player.
• 1:52:41
  Speaker 2: I just I think there's some untapped potential. I'm not
• 1:52:44
  Speaker 2: and I'm not short in the new d line coach
• 1:52:46
  Speaker 2: or anything like that, But I just I think you
• 1:52:49
  Speaker 2: get this guy in an NFL locker room, He's got
• 1:52:52
  Speaker 2: tremendous leadership. He's gonna punch the clock nine to five.
• 1:52:55
  Speaker 2: You're not gonna have to worry about this guy.
• 1:52:57
  Speaker 1: Uh.
• 1:52:58
  Speaker 2: He embraces physicality in the run game. He takes on
• 1:53:00
  Speaker 2: blocks with a good bass and play strength. He's got
• 1:53:03
  Speaker 2: a RiPP and chop move with power and force that
• 1:53:08
  Speaker 2: really intriguing. Enough speed and bend to run the arc.
• 1:53:12
  Speaker 2: I think still has to get some counter variations versus
• 1:53:15
  Speaker 2: the run. In past there's a lot of maybe popping
• 1:53:18
  Speaker 2: up and just trying to power his way through the opposition.
• 1:53:21
  Speaker 2: But overall, I think you can get this guy to
• 1:53:25
  Speaker 2: become more than one dimensional, which is kind of what
• 1:53:28
  Speaker 2: he is on tape. If you can get him to
• 1:53:29
  Speaker 2: become less one dimensional and just more of something else,
• 1:53:33
  Speaker 2: I think he can be really good. He's kind of
• 1:53:35
  Speaker 2: my like dream pick for the lines at fifty, Like
• 1:53:38
  Speaker 2: I just he screams Detroit lion with how he plays
• 1:53:41
  Speaker 2: and with what happened with Josh Pascal the DJ Wollingham
• 1:53:44
  Speaker 2: News today of one year, six million dollar contract up
• 1:53:47
  Speaker 2: to six million. I just I think I almost said
• 1:53:51
  Speaker 2: quity pay because that's kind of who he reminded. But
• 1:53:55
  Speaker 2: Gabe Jacas is just He's awesome.
• 1:53:57
  Speaker 1: I love Fair. Yeah, I'm in And obviously I don't
• 1:54:00
  Speaker 1: have too much. I ad for a lot of the
• 1:54:01
  Speaker 1: names you went through. I Parker just makes a lot
• 1:54:04
  Speaker 1: of sense for the bills and just even again in general,
• 1:54:07
  Speaker 1: like watching him go through guys and then like he does,
• 1:54:10
  Speaker 1: he flashes that cross chop enough that I'm like, can
• 1:54:14
  Speaker 1: you throw that a little more? Can you have like
• 1:54:16
  Speaker 1: a secondary or like a third move enough to just
• 1:54:20
  Speaker 1: make like, I get it, your fastball is the long
• 1:54:22
  Speaker 1: arm and speed to power stuff, But can you throw
• 1:54:24
  Speaker 1: a change up and a curve enough to make you yeah,
• 1:54:29
  Speaker 1: like just just to make you formidable from another perspective,
• 1:54:34
  Speaker 1: just to make them have to think, like is that
• 1:54:36
  Speaker 1: cross chop coming? Like I just don't want them to
• 1:54:38
  Speaker 1: think you're like a one trick pony, And like, if
• 1:54:39
  Speaker 1: you have that, I think that can be a really
• 1:54:42
  Speaker 1: interesting piece for him. Somebody mentioned the chat too, like
• 1:54:47
  Speaker 1: Malachi Lawrence, I think is an interesting one from ucf
• 1:54:50
  Speaker 1: ive gotten in his tape a little bit. Again, I
• 1:54:52
  Speaker 1: don't think he's a like a back end around one
• 1:54:55
  Speaker 1: guy for me at this point, but I just think,
• 1:54:57
  Speaker 1: like with the length and how he plays another interesting name.
• 1:55:02
  Speaker 1: I'm for the bills. I think more than anything, it's
• 1:55:05
  Speaker 1: do they go with what they already have? Like is
• 1:55:07
  Speaker 1: it more like, okay, we want another like power guy,
• 1:55:09
  Speaker 1: a compression guy, a length guy, because then you can
• 1:55:11
  Speaker 1: look at a lot of these guys it's like, okay,
• 1:55:13
  Speaker 1: like Zion Young could make sense for them.
• 1:55:15
  Speaker 2: T J.
• 1:55:15
  Speaker 1: Parker could make sense for them. Malcol Lawrence could make
• 1:55:18
  Speaker 1: sense for them, like a lot of guys who it's
• 1:55:20
  Speaker 1: their mo is, let's go through you. Whether it's just
• 1:55:22
  Speaker 1: because of the power basis or the length basis, winning
• 1:55:25
  Speaker 1: with first touch that type of degree, Like are they
• 1:55:27
  Speaker 1: looking for that or is it more of I don't know.
• 1:55:31
  Speaker 1: Do they finally look into some more dip and some
• 1:55:33
  Speaker 1: bend and some juice and I know it's a different
• 1:55:38
  Speaker 1: regime and Sean McDermott is gone. I just think it's
• 1:55:41
  Speaker 1: super funny that like the first Edge they signed and
• 1:55:44
  Speaker 1: they gave some money to is Bradley Chubb, who is
• 1:55:46
  Speaker 1: very much in the mold of like, oh, power compression
• 1:55:49
  Speaker 1: guy off the edge. That makes it like that. So
• 1:55:51
  Speaker 1: then like, okay, does Bean also like that archetype? Is
• 1:55:54
  Speaker 1: it a coincidence? Is that what just Leonard thought they needed?
• 1:55:57
  Speaker 1: It was? It wasn't more because of that's what they
• 1:55:59
  Speaker 1: were in free agent where they were in free agency
• 1:56:01
  Speaker 1: and he was the best guy at the time, so
• 1:56:02
  Speaker 1: on and so forth, like any one of these variables.
• 1:56:05
  Speaker 1: But yeah, that's one for me, Like is it our
• 1:56:09
  Speaker 1: Mason Thomas like with the violence and what he brings
• 1:56:11
  Speaker 1: off the edge? And you know Javeli who is the
• 1:56:14
  Speaker 1: co defensive coordinator there and DB's coach, he's in Buffalo now,
• 1:56:17
  Speaker 1: like any of these guys that they plucked, So it
• 1:56:19
  Speaker 1: was like, Yakis makes sense? Does our Mason Thomas makes sense?
• 1:56:22
  Speaker 1: Some of these college coaches that are in Buffalo now
• 1:56:25
  Speaker 1: that might know some of these guys and might be
• 1:56:27
  Speaker 1: able to pound the table a little bit more. I
• 1:56:29
  Speaker 1: think Edge is a really interesting one because it's not
• 1:56:32
  Speaker 1: I don't think it's a top tier need because you
• 1:56:34
  Speaker 1: again we'll see what Michael Hoyd is. But you've got
• 1:56:37
  Speaker 1: two legitimate starters and Russeau and Chubb. Is it the
• 1:56:39
  Speaker 1: most feared edge grouping, especially from a pastor standpoint. No,
• 1:56:42
  Speaker 1: but you've got two starters. But you could use a
• 1:56:46
  Speaker 1: different skill set mainly juice and bend and dip and
• 1:56:49
  Speaker 1: all that, and you could use somebody who could be
• 1:56:52
  Speaker 1: a edge three for you. If Michael Hoyd isn't ready
• 1:56:54
  Speaker 1: to be that this year, even if he comes back,
• 1:56:56
  Speaker 1: like or when he comes back, I should say what
• 1:56:58
  Speaker 1: version of himself is he? And then you go on
• 1:57:01
  Speaker 1: before after that, Chubb is really on here for more
• 1:57:04
  Speaker 1: like a two year deal. Do you want to get
• 1:57:05
  Speaker 1: out of hoytsteal after this year? If he doesn't come back,
• 1:57:07
  Speaker 1: are you playing it for the third?
• 1:57:09
  Speaker 2: So?
• 1:57:09
  Speaker 1: I think edge is interesting. It's not like the primary,
• 1:57:12
  Speaker 1: But if the right guy falls, I think they could
• 1:57:14
  Speaker 1: go there. And I think they're definitely they definitely need
• 1:57:16
  Speaker 1: to grab another edge or of just be a matter
• 1:57:18
  Speaker 1: of like when how who do they find?
• 1:57:23
  Speaker 2: Yeah?
• 1:57:23
  Speaker 1: So yeah, I think there's all And again there's a
• 1:57:25
  Speaker 1: lot of like do they stick with the status quo
• 1:57:27
  Speaker 1: of the archetype or do they look for something different.
• 1:57:29
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and that's what I was going to say, Like
• 1:57:31
  Speaker 2: do they follow that archetype or do they do they
• 1:57:33
  Speaker 2: go just you know, with the best player that they
• 1:57:36
  Speaker 2: feel suits their defense now or are they going for
• 1:57:40
  Speaker 2: that specific height and weight in arm length and is
• 1:57:44
  Speaker 2: there certain things that they need to check off or
• 1:57:46
  Speaker 2: they're not taking them because it's like if if it's
• 1:57:49
  Speaker 2: a certain height and arm length, like you know, Denise
• 1:57:52
  Speaker 2: Sutton from Penn State might be that guy, you know,
• 1:57:56
  Speaker 2: six six, two fifty six. I think he's a really
• 1:57:58
  Speaker 2: intriguing player. A bit tight hipped, bit linear, kind of
• 1:58:03
  Speaker 2: plays a little high, but you know, he might be
• 1:58:06
  Speaker 2: worth a role in the dice if you're getting into
• 1:58:07
  Speaker 2: the late second somewhere in that third round range, and
• 1:58:11
  Speaker 2: he might go even a little later. I don't necessarily
• 1:58:14
  Speaker 2: know where he's all, you know, gonna fall, but he's
• 1:58:18
  Speaker 2: intriguing to me. I think he's a player that I
• 1:58:19
  Speaker 2: think the Lions would really like, but I don't know
• 1:58:22
  Speaker 2: the bill. The bills are a big question mark because
• 1:58:25
  Speaker 2: there's a lot of moving parts this offseason. So it's
• 1:58:27
  Speaker 2: it's gonna be a really intriguing offseason in how they
• 1:58:30
  Speaker 2: approach the draft. For sure.
• 1:58:32
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Like I just I wonder like as somebody like
• 1:58:36
  Speaker 1: art like again our Mason Thomas and and and Howell
• 1:58:39
  Speaker 1: for example, like they don't check the arm length requirement
• 1:58:42
  Speaker 1: or like the size of framestorre like are they even
• 1:58:44
  Speaker 1: on the board because it's like, well they're explosive, Like
• 1:58:47
  Speaker 1: they're explosive juice guys? Do they eat? Is that like
• 1:58:52
  Speaker 1: was that a McDermott requirement? Is it a bean one?
• 1:58:55
  Speaker 1: I would think Leonard would like some of that based
• 1:58:57
  Speaker 1: on the fact that he's been in Denver the past
• 1:59:00
  Speaker 1: couple of years. And Nick Benito is a juiced up
• 1:59:02
  Speaker 1: type of dude that lives off the edge. So are
• 1:59:05
  Speaker 1: you trying to find a Benito? Granted Benito is a
• 1:59:07
  Speaker 1: bit of a rare combination in a lot of ways,
• 1:59:10
  Speaker 1: but are there you're looking for that or is it
• 1:59:12
  Speaker 1: more like, no, we need guys with so yeah, so
• 1:59:15
  Speaker 1: your point, certain arm lank, certain wingspan, certain play style,
• 1:59:18
  Speaker 1: or do we get a little difference there. I think
• 1:59:21
  Speaker 1: it's really interesting at that edge spot and what the
• 1:59:23
  Speaker 1: archetypes change if they do, and the kind of you know,
• 1:59:26
  Speaker 1: the conversation that we talked about earlier, and even talking
• 1:59:28
  Speaker 1: about the edge grouping. There's gonna be a lot of
• 1:59:31
  Speaker 1: options in round one. There's gonna be a lot of
• 1:59:33
  Speaker 1: options in round three, early on day three if they
• 1:59:36
  Speaker 1: trade back and somehow pick up an extra Day two pick.
• 1:59:40
  Speaker 1: There's a ton of edges that are gonna be available
• 1:59:42
  Speaker 1: in round two and three that are like, actually good
• 1:59:44
  Speaker 1: and can be effective with varying levels. So yeah, I
• 1:59:47
  Speaker 1: think the edge there's a lot to like.
• 1:59:49
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I'll be curious how they value a player like
• 1:59:52
  Speaker 2: Kirn Crawford from Auburn. I didn't do a I didn't
• 1:59:56
  Speaker 2: do a full evaluation of him.
• 1:59:58
  Speaker 1: No, but I'd be flashed for me one watching for Folk,
• 2:00:01
  Speaker 1: I'd be like, who's this other guy in?
• 2:00:02
  Speaker 2: You know?
• 2:00:02
  Speaker 1: Similar to who's the dude on the other side of
• 2:00:06
  Speaker 1: Bailey at Texas Tech Romelo Hight. Yes, similar to that
• 2:00:10
  Speaker 1: where I'd be like, who's this other guy? Like, look
• 2:00:12
  Speaker 1: at this way this guy moves I like that.
• 2:00:14
  Speaker 2: Yeah, No, one hundred percent. I the more I watched
• 2:00:17
  Speaker 2: the Crawford the more I'm like, man, this guy might
• 2:00:19
  Speaker 2: go earlier than I think, you know, So yeah, I
• 2:00:24
  Speaker 2: don't know. There's gonna be a lot of a lot
• 2:00:26
  Speaker 2: of options for them, and and I think that's the
• 2:00:28
  Speaker 2: beauty for for the Bills, Like if they want to,
• 2:00:32
  Speaker 2: you know, change the old guard and blow this whole
• 2:00:34
  Speaker 2: thing up. You go out and you get a Cashiers howl,
• 2:00:37
  Speaker 2: or you go get a Karen Crawford. You go you
• 2:00:40
  Speaker 2: change you know, the archetype a little bit and you
• 2:00:42
  Speaker 2: you make people wonder what direction you're going off the edge,
• 2:00:46
  Speaker 2: or you just go out and get that big body,
• 2:00:48
  Speaker 2: whether it's Keldric Falk or Malchai Lawrence or a Zion Young.
• 2:00:52
  Speaker 2: You go out and get that six y five six
• 2:00:54
  Speaker 2: six defensive end that may not bring a ton of
• 2:00:58
  Speaker 2: juice as a pass rusher consistently, but you know, you
• 2:01:00
  Speaker 2: go get a Malchi Lawrence. There's there's some alignment versatility.
• 2:01:03
  Speaker 2: You go back to twenty twenty four against Colorado, he's
• 2:01:06
  Speaker 2: playing off the ball and blitzing up the middle. It's
• 2:01:08
  Speaker 2: very odd and unique. But then at the same time
• 2:01:10
  Speaker 2: you get him off the edge and there's a little
• 2:01:12
  Speaker 2: bit of bend there. So I don't know, it's gonna
• 2:01:15
  Speaker 2: be really interesting. I can't wait, obviously, of course, for
• 2:01:18
  Speaker 2: the NFL Draft, But yeah.
• 2:01:22
  Speaker 1: I knew. I was like, are you cool? For forty
• 2:01:25
  Speaker 1: five minutes to an hour, and here we are.
• 2:01:26
  Speaker 2: I already knew, I should have known.
• 2:01:27
  Speaker 1: I don't even know why I even bothered.
• 2:01:29
  Speaker 2: What what do we got going next?
• 2:01:31
  Speaker 1: What we got We're gonna move to interior defensive line,
• 2:01:36
  Speaker 1: which I think is an interesting one for the Bills
• 2:01:38
  Speaker 1: because we've heard Brandon Bean talk about nose tackle and
• 2:01:46
  Speaker 1: run like run stopping based interior defensive lineman defensive tackles.
• 2:01:50
  Speaker 1: We've heard him talk about it before, and he's a
• 2:01:52
  Speaker 1: guy who values inside rush more than run stopping. And
• 2:01:56
  Speaker 1: he himself has said it's easy to find like run
• 2:02:00
  Speaker 1: stopping defensive tackles on the market. Now what's funny about
• 2:02:04
  Speaker 1: that is he is yet to go and get a
• 2:02:07
  Speaker 1: run stopping defensive tackle on the market really ever. And
• 2:02:13
  Speaker 1: so my thought there is, Okay, if it's easy to
• 2:02:14
  Speaker 1: get those guys and you haven't gotten those guys, that
• 2:02:17
  Speaker 1: makes me feel like you don't want one of those
• 2:02:19
  Speaker 1: guys or you don't value them. And now we've shifted
• 2:02:22
  Speaker 1: this defense. Jim Leonard, I think they need a true
• 2:02:26
  Speaker 1: nose I do not think Dion Walker should live as
• 2:02:29
  Speaker 1: a full time nose tackle for the Buffalo Bills. Can
• 2:02:31
  Speaker 1: he moonlight there? Sure? But I'd like to see him
• 2:02:34
  Speaker 1: kind of line up all over the defensive line. Even
• 2:02:36
  Speaker 1: though he's a mountain of a dude, he's still more
• 2:02:38
  Speaker 1: of a finesse player than he is. Like a body
• 2:02:41
  Speaker 1: eater and a space eater and a plugger. He's a penetrator.
• 2:02:44
  Speaker 1: He's a movement guy. Yes, Leonard will use movement across
• 2:02:48
  Speaker 1: the front, so he'll have his nose slash and do
• 2:02:51
  Speaker 1: different things. They'll jump gaps and do all this stuff
• 2:02:53
  Speaker 1: up front, but a certain day, you got to be
• 2:02:55
  Speaker 1: able to anchor mitigate displacement and kind of gum things
• 2:02:59
  Speaker 1: up on the interior. And I think they need that
• 2:03:00
  Speaker 1: skill set rotated in to this defense. I wanted Roy
• 2:03:04
  Speaker 1: Lopez super super super super super bad. Whatever he went
• 2:03:09
  Speaker 1: back to Arizona. To each their own, I would have
• 2:03:11
  Speaker 1: taken Kiris Tonga. Nope, they have not added to that spot.
• 2:03:15
  Speaker 1: I think they need a true nose added in. What
• 2:03:17
  Speaker 1: makes it tough. They don't have a second round pick
• 2:03:20
  Speaker 1: right now, so you're looking at okay, are you willing
• 2:03:24
  Speaker 1: to spend early on the interior defensive line. If you are,
• 2:03:27
  Speaker 1: are you willing to draft a true nose in at
• 2:03:30
  Speaker 1: the end of the first round. Knowing they might not
• 2:03:32
  Speaker 1: have pass rush upside. How good are they as a
• 2:03:35
  Speaker 1: run defender? Do they have some pass rush upside? We'll see,
• 2:03:39
  Speaker 1: But Russ, let's take a look at some interior defensive
• 2:03:41
  Speaker 1: line targets in round one slash early for you and
• 2:03:46
  Speaker 1: some names to know. We'll start with some guys that
• 2:03:48
  Speaker 1: you like at the back end of round one that
• 2:03:50
  Speaker 1: you think could be there for the Bills and would
• 2:03:52
  Speaker 1: make sense at that interior defensive line spot.
• 2:03:56
  Speaker 2: Yeah, just as a pure nose. I mean it's it's
• 2:03:58
  Speaker 2: gotta be Lee Hunter. I think there's there's so much
• 2:04:01
  Speaker 2: to be desired with with him as a nose. I
• 2:04:03
  Speaker 2: view Peter Woods more as like a three tech.
• 2:04:07
  Speaker 1: Yeah, he's interesting. Like I don't know what to do
• 2:04:10
  Speaker 1: with Peter Woods. Yeay, Like what weight is he gonna
• 2:04:12
  Speaker 1: play it?
• 2:04:13
  Speaker 2: Like?
• 2:04:13
  Speaker 1: He? I think he tested this offseason at like two
• 2:04:16
  Speaker 1: ninety eight and three h two, but then in season
• 2:04:18
  Speaker 1: he was playing like three ten plus? Or are you
• 2:04:20
  Speaker 1: playing him at like three one? Do you want him
• 2:04:23
  Speaker 1: to lose a little? Like can he play two ninety
• 2:04:25
  Speaker 1: five and he's a really athletic four I or maybe
• 2:04:28
  Speaker 1: can't get on some even fron stuff like I don't.
• 2:04:30
  Speaker 2: I don't know what to deal with him. He's odd
• 2:04:32
  Speaker 2: man because he he was more productive when he was heavier,
• 2:04:35
  Speaker 2: but he doesn't look as explosive, So I just I
• 2:04:39
  Speaker 2: don't know. Like the explosive element to his game is
• 2:04:42
  Speaker 2: super intriguing to me because of the way that I
• 2:04:44
  Speaker 2: think he can beat guards or centers one on one.
• 2:04:46
  Speaker 2: But again, I don't know if I want him closer
• 2:04:48
  Speaker 2: to the football. I think I want him a little
• 2:04:51
  Speaker 2: bit more in a three tech or a two I
• 2:04:53
  Speaker 2: where I could spark step um. He's gonna shoot from
• 2:04:55
  Speaker 2: the B gap to the A gap and vice versa. Uh,
• 2:04:58
  Speaker 2: and I'm gonna do some of those things. I don't
• 2:05:00
  Speaker 2: want him to just bul rush the center all day
• 2:05:03
  Speaker 2: long or try to work with that and have to
• 2:05:04
  Speaker 2: deal with combo blocks. Lee Hunter on the other On
• 2:05:07
  Speaker 2: the other end, I think I can. I can deal
• 2:05:10
  Speaker 2: with that because he's explosive enough. He's got enough power,
• 2:05:13
  Speaker 2: he's got enough strength. There's plenty of length there at
• 2:05:16
  Speaker 2: six three and a half and three hundred and eighteen pounds.
• 2:05:18
  Speaker 2: Pad level against double teams will be problematic. He's got
• 2:05:21
  Speaker 2: to work on his base a little bit. He gets
• 2:05:23
  Speaker 2: too narrow specifically against down blocks he's got. He's got
• 2:05:27
  Speaker 2: to work his hands a little bit more as well.
• 2:05:29
  Speaker 2: But I like Lee Hunter. I mean the flashes you
• 2:05:31
  Speaker 2: saw in against the Oregon game. You go to the
• 2:05:33
  Speaker 2: Arizona State game or even the Utah game, there's there's
• 2:05:36
  Speaker 2: a lot of good there as well. And he's he's
• 2:05:39
  Speaker 2: kind of a high effort player. You know, the gas
• 2:05:41
  Speaker 2: is gonna run out of the tank for sure, but
• 2:05:43
  Speaker 2: he's a high effort player and he's gonna give you
• 2:05:44
  Speaker 2: everything he's got. So if you're trying to upgrade at
• 2:05:48
  Speaker 2: that nose and you want a guy that's gonna play
• 2:05:49
  Speaker 2: right away, I think Lee Hunter can be that that guy.
• 2:05:53
  Speaker 2: I feel kind of the same way about Caleb Banks.
• 2:05:55
  Speaker 2: I think he could play as a nose just simply
• 2:05:57
  Speaker 2: because of his size. I mean, you're talking six three
• 2:06:00
  Speaker 2: twenty seven. You see the way he moves, the violence
• 2:06:03
  Speaker 2: that he can play with. It's super intriguing, but kind
• 2:06:06
  Speaker 2: of similar to to Peter Woods. It's just like I
• 2:06:09
  Speaker 2: think there's some inconsistencies within his game. He's got a
• 2:06:12
  Speaker 2: concerning foot injury now. He dealt with a foot injury
• 2:06:15
  Speaker 2: in the season. I just I don't know what to
• 2:06:18
  Speaker 2: do with him and the pro comparison that I came to,
• 2:06:21
  Speaker 2: and I hate it because he was so good at Minnesota.
• 2:06:24
  Speaker 2: It was Rashid Hagman. I don't know if I remember him.
• 2:06:27
  Speaker 2: He was he was supposed to be. He was supposed
• 2:06:31
  Speaker 2: to be so good. But when you look at size
• 2:06:33
  Speaker 2: and the way they play, I think Banks is a
• 2:06:35
  Speaker 2: little bit more fluid. So that's what gives me hope.
• 2:06:39
  Speaker 2: But I just I just hope there's you know, I
• 2:06:41
  Speaker 2: don't know, and I don't know if Caleb Bank's gonna
• 2:06:43
  Speaker 2: be a first round pick because of the foot injury,
• 2:06:45
  Speaker 2: so we'll see. I think there's a lot of a
• 2:06:48
  Speaker 2: lot of question marks there. But one player that I
• 2:06:50
  Speaker 2: don't think will be there in the first round as
• 2:06:52
  Speaker 2: far as like a guy that they're gonna draft, because
• 2:06:54
  Speaker 2: I think he's more of a Day two pick. But
• 2:06:57
  Speaker 2: I just love him is Chris McClellan out of Missouri
• 2:07:00
  Speaker 2: UH six four three fourteen. He ended up as a
• 2:07:03
  Speaker 2: top fifty player for me, and he got the same
• 2:07:06
  Speaker 2: grade as Caleb Banks and even like Caden McDonald in
• 2:07:10
  Speaker 2: those guys for me. But I just I really like
• 2:07:14
  Speaker 2: the way that he can play, like not every play
• 2:07:16
  Speaker 2: is gonna be perfect. There's gonna be definitely plays where
• 2:07:18
  Speaker 2: he gets beat, he's gonna get double teamed and carried
• 2:07:20
  Speaker 2: off the ball. His hands are not going to always
• 2:07:23
  Speaker 2: be consistent. But when he flashes it and he's not
• 2:07:26
  Speaker 2: trying to bully the opposition and he puts his pass
• 2:07:29
  Speaker 2: rush playing together, those are things that have to become
• 2:07:31
  Speaker 2: more consistent. But when he does it, man is, he's
• 2:07:35
  Speaker 2: so fun to watch, and I think there's a lot
• 2:07:36
  Speaker 2: of good short area of quickness to his game. For
• 2:07:39
  Speaker 2: his size, the big, powerful hands are there. I got
• 2:07:43
  Speaker 2: to pull up his profile just to reference his hand size.
• 2:07:47
  Speaker 2: I'm pretty sure they're eleven inches. Yeah, they're eleven inch hands,
• 2:07:52
  Speaker 2: So big hands powerful. He's got great lengths. He's going
• 2:07:57
  Speaker 2: to create separation with thirty four inch arms. I thought
• 2:08:00
  Speaker 2: there were times that he flashed a swim move. There
• 2:08:03
  Speaker 2: were times that he could split double teams and drop
• 2:08:05
  Speaker 2: the shoulder. There's a good swipe move in there from
• 2:08:08
  Speaker 2: time to time. And he's just got some explosiveness that
• 2:08:11
  Speaker 2: just catches you off guards. So I think Chris McClellan
• 2:08:14
  Speaker 2: is a big sleeper. Just just love his game. I
• 2:08:17
  Speaker 2: think he's he's a guy that I would if it
• 2:08:21
  Speaker 2: was me, I'd probably draft him at twenty six. But
• 2:08:24
  Speaker 2: I'm not.
• 2:08:25
  Speaker 1: I'm not.
• 2:08:25
  Speaker 2: I'm not running the buffalo tho because you're not. I
• 2:08:28
  Speaker 2: don't think you're gonna get him, you know, in that
• 2:08:30
  Speaker 2: in that third round and you don't have a second
• 2:08:31
  Speaker 2: round pick, like your point. So if if that's the
• 2:08:34
  Speaker 2: highest graded guy on my board at that position, and
• 2:08:37
  Speaker 2: I have doubts about Caleb Banks, I might, you know,
• 2:08:40
  Speaker 2: turn to a guy that I trust a little bit
• 2:08:42
  Speaker 2: more in Chris McClellan. And he had six and a
• 2:08:44
  Speaker 2: half sacks.
• 2:08:44
  Speaker 1: This past year, So very fair, I'll say. Charles in
• 2:08:48
  Speaker 1: the comment literally a couple of minutes before you mentioned
• 2:08:50
  Speaker 1: McClellan literally said I like McClellan, just not in round one.
• 2:08:54
  Speaker 1: That's very funny. I'm I like Hunter just I think
• 2:09:01
  Speaker 1: your prototypical like nos like with how he plays, but
• 2:09:05
  Speaker 1: he also has pretty good like lateral agility like and
• 2:09:07
  Speaker 1: you can watch him. He'll pop a quick swim move
• 2:09:08
  Speaker 1: every once in a while, get into the backfield. I
• 2:09:12
  Speaker 1: think he plays a good pad level. He's able to
• 2:09:13
  Speaker 1: get under guys despite his height. I have the exact
• 2:09:15
  Speaker 1: same thing that needs to work on recognizing double teams
• 2:09:18
  Speaker 1: and anchoring against them and or dropping the knee. Needs
• 2:09:21
  Speaker 1: some way to mitigate displacement and not get bounced off
• 2:09:23
  Speaker 1: the ball. Passers ability is minimal, but he's got some
• 2:09:27
  Speaker 1: pop juice to him. He can backdoor some stuff versus
• 2:09:31
  Speaker 1: zone or scrape over the top and work down the line,
• 2:09:33
  Speaker 1: which is nice. You watch him rag doll dudes like
• 2:09:37
  Speaker 1: he's grabbing guys and just chucking guys and making plays
• 2:09:39
  Speaker 1: against the run. I wouldn't hate him in the back
• 2:09:42
  Speaker 1: end of round one. I think he's more of a
• 2:09:44
  Speaker 1: true two, but he fits a need, so I think
• 2:09:48
  Speaker 1: that's fair. My biggest name for round one Banks just
• 2:09:54
  Speaker 1: scares me. There's too much unknown there. Peter Woods, I
• 2:09:57
  Speaker 1: don't think is a good enough scheme fit. A good
• 2:10:00
  Speaker 1: enough scheme fit. I don't know what his best fit is,
• 2:10:02
  Speaker 1: Like what weight? All jokes aside, like what weight is
• 2:10:05
  Speaker 1: he gonna play at? Where are we going to play him?
• 2:10:08
  Speaker 1: Like is he gonna live as a three? Is he
• 2:10:11
  Speaker 1: gonna live is one? You know again, if you hit
• 2:10:13
  Speaker 1: him at the right weight, especially for a hybrid defense
• 2:10:16
  Speaker 1: like Leonard's, like can you play him in with some four?
• 2:10:18
  Speaker 1: I And then when you get down into your nickel
• 2:10:20
  Speaker 1: even front stuff. Can he play a three then? And
• 2:10:23
  Speaker 1: then like do you get like what kind of userge
• 2:10:24
  Speaker 1: do you get from him? How committed is he to that?
• 2:10:27
  Speaker 1: For a guy who's weight fluctuated, can he maintain? Like
• 2:10:31
  Speaker 1: that's a hard thing, Like what is his natural weight?
• 2:10:33
  Speaker 1: Based on his diet, based on his workout regimen, Like
• 2:10:36
  Speaker 1: that's a hard thing to monitor. So that kind of
• 2:10:38
  Speaker 1: worries me a little bit. My if we're going into
• 2:10:41
  Speaker 1: your defensive line in round one, I am going for
• 2:10:45
  Speaker 1: Kiden McDonald. I'm gonna go for my recreation of Tyler
• 2:10:49
  Speaker 1: Williams from last year, although I think there's a bit
• 2:10:52
  Speaker 1: of a different kind of player. I think McDonald is
• 2:10:54
  Speaker 1: more of a run defending interior guy, but as a
• 2:10:56
  Speaker 1: little more a little more juice and pop than Williams
• 2:10:58
  Speaker 1: did and kind of going forward and be able to
• 2:11:00
  Speaker 1: knock some guys back. But I I think Hayden McDonald
• 2:11:04
  Speaker 1: just ticks a lot of boxes, you know, he recognizes
• 2:11:07
  Speaker 1: down blocks to work over the top of him. He's
• 2:11:09
  Speaker 1: a block eater, space eater. But again, he has a
• 2:11:12
  Speaker 1: little pop to him. I like that. In the Big
• 2:11:14
  Speaker 1: Ten Championship game against Indiana. He was playing a ton
• 2:11:17
  Speaker 1: of nose, So you're watching him just work at nose
• 2:11:20
  Speaker 1: left and right, take on guys, gum up the works.
• 2:11:24
  Speaker 1: I would like to see him, you know, drop the
• 2:11:26
  Speaker 1: knee a little bit more, or recognize double teams faster.
• 2:11:28
  Speaker 1: It's funny watching him like recognize zone blocks and down
• 2:11:33
  Speaker 1: blocks on gap scheme runs, but then like not doing
• 2:11:36
  Speaker 1: the same thing for when double teams are coming at him.
• 2:11:39
  Speaker 1: But even when he like gets knocked off kilter, he
• 2:11:42
  Speaker 1: can kind of spring back in. He's just a dirty
• 2:11:45
  Speaker 1: work guy. Like I think he just gums up the works.
• 2:11:47
  Speaker 1: He's just a pain in the butt to play against
• 2:11:49
  Speaker 1: on the inside. Like there were so many times in
• 2:11:51
  Speaker 1: that game Man Sunny Styles was so good in that
• 2:11:54
  Speaker 1: game Shock. He's like he's absolutely ridiculous, Like I've never
• 2:11:59
  Speaker 1: seen somebody like makes so many plays in and around
• 2:12:01
  Speaker 1: the line of scrimmage perfectly all the time, like where
• 2:12:03
  Speaker 1: he was just hitting the running back with his chest
• 2:12:06
  Speaker 1: over and over, no matter if it was like in
• 2:12:08
  Speaker 1: the A gap, the B gap, the cee, a stretch
• 2:12:10
  Speaker 1: play like a screen. He's just he's so fast, takes
• 2:12:13
  Speaker 1: such good angles. But part of that is because Kate
• 2:12:19
  Speaker 1: McDonald was keeping him clean and coming things up in
• 2:12:22
  Speaker 1: front of him, and some other good players on the
• 2:12:24
  Speaker 1: defensive line as well. But McDonald would be the guy
• 2:12:28
  Speaker 1: for me, like he if they're going to take an
• 2:12:30
  Speaker 1: interior defensive lineman in a round one and I don't
• 2:12:32
  Speaker 1: want to have to worry about questions or roll or fit.
• 2:12:37
  Speaker 1: I'm taking Cad McDonald and I'm putting him in a
• 2:12:39
  Speaker 1: nose and then I'll put Dion Walker at four I
• 2:12:42
  Speaker 1: or rotate the two of them again. And I think
• 2:12:44
  Speaker 1: McDonald has enough athleticism and movement where he can knock
• 2:12:48
  Speaker 1: the center back a little bit, or he can knock
• 2:12:49
  Speaker 1: a guard back a little bit. He's not some pass
• 2:12:51
  Speaker 1: rush Maven. He's throwing all these moves and he's got
• 2:12:53
  Speaker 1: a bag of stuff. But because of the pop and
• 2:12:55
  Speaker 1: what he can do off the line, he can knock
• 2:12:57
  Speaker 1: a guy back a little bit and create some displacement.
• 2:12:59
  Speaker 1: And that's enough for me. If you're gonna be a
• 2:13:01
  Speaker 1: plus run defender, which is what I think he is.
• 2:13:05
  Speaker 1: You know, six', two three hundred and twenty six, pounds
• 2:13:08
  Speaker 1: plug him in. There you, know he's not like a
• 2:13:10
  Speaker 1: true he's not built like a stone Like Roy lopez,
• 2:13:13
  Speaker 1: is BUT i think he can, sit you, know function,
• 2:13:16
  Speaker 1: similarly where he's a guy you drop into the middle
• 2:13:18
  Speaker 1: of the, defense plays nose for. You if you're playing
• 2:13:21
  Speaker 1: some even front, stuff he can play a one tech for,
• 2:13:24
  Speaker 1: you keep your guys. Clean at the second, LEVEL i
• 2:13:27
  Speaker 1: think he helps you defense. Immediately, again and you, know
• 2:13:30
  Speaker 1: as some of the comments are talking about, McDonald, yeah
• 2:13:32
  Speaker 1: To claude's, point like if they can't find a trade back,
• 2:13:35
  Speaker 1: partner McDonald is a guy who they could take in
• 2:13:37
  Speaker 1: round one And i'd be, like, yep And i'd get.
• 2:13:40
  Speaker 1: It i'd understand. It i'd be more than happy with.
• 2:13:42
  Speaker 1: It maybe it's me chasing the helmet in the jersey
• 2:13:46
  Speaker 1: Of Tyler williams last year before those Stupid Detroit lions took,
• 2:13:49
  Speaker 1: Him but, YEAH i. WOULD I caden McDonald would be
• 2:13:54
  Speaker 1: my guy in round, one just BECAUSE I i have
• 2:13:58
  Speaker 1: too many questions On Caleb. BANKS i have other questions
• 2:14:02
  Speaker 1: On Peter, woods but in a different. WAY i wouldn't
• 2:14:04
  Speaker 1: mind hunter, there And i'm cool with some other guys like,
• 2:14:07
  Speaker 1: again more round two or. Three we'll see how it shakes.
• 2:14:09
  Speaker 1: Out but, like, yeah What corleone? WAS i Like Dominique
• 2:14:12
  Speaker 1: orange From Iowa, State Big. Citrus, LIKE i like the
• 2:14:15
  Speaker 1: way he, plays BUT i think he's more of a
• 2:14:17
  Speaker 1: true round, three a true day two guy maybe creeps
• 2:14:20
  Speaker 1: into round. TWO i have more of like an early
• 2:14:23
  Speaker 1: three late two on. Him, yeah So corleone's. There, HUNTER
• 2:14:27
  Speaker 1: i think is more of a true, two but like
• 2:14:30
  Speaker 1: early to mid. Two, LIKE i Think hunter is the
• 2:14:32
  Speaker 1: PERFECT i know this is splitting, hairs but like it's
• 2:14:34
  Speaker 1: the perfect pick thirty five to forty five type of
• 2:14:38
  Speaker 1: defensive tackle for a team who did something else early
• 2:14:41
  Speaker 1: on or who needs more of that. Role if The
• 2:14:42
  Speaker 1: bills did it in round, One i'd be, fine because
• 2:14:45
  Speaker 1: AGAIN i think they need. It BUT i think McDonald
• 2:14:47
  Speaker 1: gives you a little more usage versatility Than hunter. Overall
• 2:14:51
  Speaker 1: So hunter could creep in, there but for Me ed
• 2:14:53
  Speaker 1: it'd Be kad McDonald.
• 2:14:55
  Speaker 2: Just the whole INTERIOR d line. CLASS i have a
• 2:14:58
  Speaker 2: lot of question. MARKS i THOUGHT i was gonna.
• 2:15:00
  Speaker 1: Come on usage and then other questions are going to
• 2:15:03
  Speaker 1: make the board super wonky for.
• 2:15:05
  Speaker 2: Teams, yeah AND i, LIKE i really struggled putting it.
• 2:15:08
  Speaker 2: TOGETHER i thought it was going to be so much,
• 2:15:10
  Speaker 2: Easier like WHEN i first Watched Peter, WOODS i was like,
• 2:15:13
  Speaker 2: dude this guy's. Awesome and then you, know you you find,
• 2:15:16
  Speaker 2: out you, know you look it more into, him and
• 2:15:19
  Speaker 2: you find out a little bit more into his tape
• 2:15:20
  Speaker 2: and you're, like, AH i don't know, Now and Then
• 2:15:22
  Speaker 2: i'm watching other guys And i'm, LIKE i don't know
• 2:15:24
  Speaker 2: about this, guy AND i just had so many question
• 2:15:26
  Speaker 2: marks regarding every single, guy Even katie, McDonald AND i
• 2:15:29
  Speaker 2: like him to everything that you. SAID i just wish
• 2:15:33
  Speaker 2: he had produced a little bit. More he did. NOT
• 2:15:36
  Speaker 2: i completely, Agree, yeah yeah he. Did he just didn't produce.
• 2:15:39
  Speaker 2: Enough and his hands were not fast. Enough he didn't
• 2:15:42
  Speaker 2: split double teams but consistently. Enough you know what's?
• 2:15:45
  Speaker 1: Funny what's funny with the hands? Thing that's a good,
• 2:15:47
  Speaker 1: Point like for a dude who again six, two three
• 2:15:50
  Speaker 1: hundred and twenty, six and you'd watch him like he's
• 2:15:53
  Speaker 1: got a good first step and like good, movement and,
• 2:15:56
  Speaker 1: yeah it's, funny like, you, dude how can you move
• 2:15:59
  Speaker 1: your whole body like that but not do your hands.
• 2:16:01
  Speaker 2: Or your hands are like way, that like they're not
• 2:16:03
  Speaker 2: actually but like behind.
• 2:16:05
  Speaker 1: Them, yeah that's such a good. Call now that you say,
• 2:16:07
  Speaker 1: It i'm like picturing all these reps Where i'm, like,
• 2:16:09
  Speaker 1: oh look at this get off and Then i'm.
• 2:16:11
  Speaker 2: Like, oh, dude your hands, yeah and like AND i
• 2:16:14
  Speaker 2: think back to like just watching like high school football
• 2:16:18
  Speaker 2: camps over the last couple of years of being back
• 2:16:20
  Speaker 2: coaching high school, football and Like i'll watch offensive linemen
• 2:16:24
  Speaker 2: with their, hands and like they're shooting their hands up
• 2:16:27
  Speaker 2: or like slow with their hands because they're holding them
• 2:16:30
  Speaker 2: down at their knees because they want to be, faster
• 2:16:32
  Speaker 2: so like rather than having them out and like set
• 2:16:35
  Speaker 2: and not saying fully reached, out but like they're shooting
• 2:16:37
  Speaker 2: their hands, up And i'm, like that's not. Right you're
• 2:16:42
  Speaker 2: gonna lose that battle every single time to a defensive.
• 2:16:45
  Speaker 2: Lineman and kind of the same thing with a defensive.
• 2:16:48
  Speaker 2: Lineman your hands shouldn't be shooting up unless you're hitting
• 2:16:51
  Speaker 2: the hands of the opposition up and like forklift move
• 2:16:55
  Speaker 2: or hump move or something and doing something like. That
• 2:16:58
  Speaker 2: and he JUST i don't, Know LIKE i struggle with,
• 2:17:02
  Speaker 2: him AND i struggled with a lot of these, guys
• 2:17:05
  Speaker 2: even Like Dominie. Gorange you, KNOW i really like the.
• 2:17:08
  Speaker 2: PLAYER i think he can be a great nose because
• 2:17:10
  Speaker 2: the lateral quickness down the line of scrimmage is really good.
• 2:17:13
  Speaker 2: Stuff great length for the, position heavy, hands effective swim.
• 2:17:17
  Speaker 2: Move when he hits it in that swipe, move it's
• 2:17:19
  Speaker 2: super super. Nice.
• 2:17:21
  Speaker 1: Uh, gravity so he's gonna have leverage and he understands
• 2:17:24
  Speaker 1: that he knows how to use.
• 2:17:25
  Speaker 2: It, yeah but limited production as a pass rusher like
• 2:17:28
  Speaker 2: this past. YEAR i think he had like fifteen. TACKLES
• 2:17:31
  Speaker 2: i just didn't. Understand And i'm not saying like you
• 2:17:33
  Speaker 2: got to load the stat. SHEET i don't care about,
• 2:17:35
  Speaker 2: that but you getting to the football and you making
• 2:17:39
  Speaker 2: plays at the line of scrimmage and filling the gaps
• 2:17:41
  Speaker 2: and you, know contributing that. Matters AND i JUST i
• 2:17:45
  Speaker 2: thought he was slower off the, ball AND i thought
• 2:17:47
  Speaker 2: there were just times that he turned his shoulders a
• 2:17:49
  Speaker 2: lot and like would lose balance first double. Teams SO
• 2:17:52
  Speaker 2: i JUST i struggled with a lot of different guys
• 2:17:54
  Speaker 2: in this. Class and you, know just one other name
• 2:17:58
  Speaker 2: to throw out there for kind of a day late day,
• 2:18:02
  Speaker 2: Two day, Three Grayson halton from From.
• 2:18:04
  Speaker 1: Oklahoma, DUDE i was gonna ask you About, Halton LIKE
• 2:18:07
  Speaker 1: i he's, awesome and he's so he's awesome to the
• 2:18:10
  Speaker 1: point That i'm LIKE i kind of want him as
• 2:18:12
  Speaker 1: like a four eye and then he can be a
• 2:18:13
  Speaker 1: three on even front. Stuff but you, dude he moves.
• 2:18:16
  Speaker 2: Man, yeah that first step is. Nasty it gives him
• 2:18:20
  Speaker 2: an immediate, jump steady motor all game, long good lateral.
• 2:18:24
  Speaker 2: QUICKNESS i can't remember who the opponent. Was it might
• 2:18:27
  Speaker 2: have Been. MISSOURI i think it Was, missouri and he
• 2:18:32
  Speaker 2: just took over the second or the fourth, quarter like
• 2:18:36
  Speaker 2: the final, drive he just took it. Over And i'm just, like, man,
• 2:18:40
  Speaker 2: like this guy's pretty. Impressive but size is a, concern
• 2:18:43
  Speaker 2: AND i just don't know where you play him BECAUSE
• 2:18:44
  Speaker 2: i always think back to Like Solomon, thomas AND i
• 2:18:47
  Speaker 2: think back to these undersized four eyes three. Techs don't
• 2:18:53
  Speaker 2: know what they're gonna. Be they probably should be like a,
• 2:18:55
  Speaker 2: five but they're not big enough to be out. There
• 2:18:58
  Speaker 2: and you just don't know what to with those. Guys
• 2:19:00
  Speaker 2: so you plug him inside and hope they can be the.
• 2:19:02
  Speaker 2: Guard But halton is super. Interesting there's definitely gonna be
• 2:19:06
  Speaker 2: some good players coming from this, group BUT i still
• 2:19:08
  Speaker 2: question if like there's gonna be every down or every
• 2:19:11
  Speaker 2: downstarters for some of these.
• 2:19:13
  Speaker 1: Guys, YEAH i like this interior defensive line grouping for
• 2:19:19
  Speaker 1: like just the roles that it can fit for so many,
• 2:19:22
  Speaker 1: Teams like you need a depth, guy you can get.
• 2:19:24
  Speaker 1: It you need a guy who can start for, you
• 2:19:26
  Speaker 1: maybe something, more you can get. It but then there's
• 2:19:28
  Speaker 1: also like what do you? Need, okay do you need
• 2:19:33
  Speaker 1: this specific? Role because we got a guy for, you
• 2:19:36
  Speaker 1: but he only can do that specific role as a
• 2:19:38
  Speaker 1: known quantity right, now and he can't do some other
• 2:19:40
  Speaker 1: things or he's limited other there's all these like again
• 2:19:43
  Speaker 1: the mixing and matching nature THAT i think is really
• 2:19:45
  Speaker 1: interesting with his sterior defensive line, grouping because, yeah even
• 2:19:49
  Speaker 1: like on the individual, level Like, halton like where you playing?
• 2:19:51
  Speaker 1: Him what are you doing with? Him and then that
• 2:19:54
  Speaker 1: like he might be like a fourth round guy for
• 2:19:57
  Speaker 1: some teams because that he might be a second round
• 2:19:59
  Speaker 1: guy for some teams because of, That like how bad
• 2:20:02
  Speaker 1: do you need a true? Nose the hunter might be
• 2:20:05
  Speaker 1: like the twenty fifth player on your board or he
• 2:20:07
  Speaker 1: might be like the fiftieth player on your board if
• 2:20:10
  Speaker 1: you're not like more of a penetrating style front and you're, like,
• 2:20:13
  Speaker 1: well he would have to be a one tech for,
• 2:20:15
  Speaker 1: us but he doesn't have how much pass us pop
• 2:20:17
  Speaker 1: is he gonna give us and let's put him down
• 2:20:19
  Speaker 1: the board to see what we. Get, like there's so
• 2:20:21
  Speaker 1: much scheme. FIT i feel like it's From, OH i
• 2:20:24
  Speaker 1: don't remember what year it, was the wide receiver, grouping
• 2:20:28
  Speaker 1: maybe from like twenty twenty three or twenty twenty, four
• 2:20:30
  Speaker 1: one of these years where it was, Like, okay do
• 2:20:32
  Speaker 1: you need like AN, x do you need a? Slot
• 2:20:35
  Speaker 1: do you need like a dude who can block a little?
• 2:20:37
  Speaker 1: Bit do you need more of A z? Guy and
• 2:20:38
  Speaker 1: it was, like, okay based on, this like your top
• 2:20:40
  Speaker 1: five is going to look completely different based on what
• 2:20:42
  Speaker 1: your team needs. Are AND i feel like this interior
• 2:20:44
  Speaker 1: defensive line, grouping, yeah has really gotten to that. Part
• 2:20:47
  Speaker 1: AND i think there's a lot of. Usefulness AND i
• 2:20:49
  Speaker 1: mean that in a good. WAY i mean that as
• 2:20:51
  Speaker 1: a backhanded. COMPLMENT i think there's a lot of. Usefulness
• 2:20:53
  Speaker 1: but what's tricky with The bills IS i think a
• 2:20:56
  Speaker 1: lot of the usefulness for this interior defensive line group
• 2:20:59
  Speaker 1: comes in two and, three and you don't have a
• 2:21:02
  Speaker 1: round two pick, now so it's like where do you get?
• 2:21:05
  Speaker 1: That are you getting it in round three or like
• 2:21:09
  Speaker 1: Is Dominie goran still there in round? Four And i'm,
• 2:21:11
  Speaker 1: like that's a great. Pick Take Domini gorans in round.
• 2:21:13
  Speaker 1: Four that's. SOLID i don't think he's gonna fall that,
• 2:21:15
  Speaker 1: far but who, Knows like maybe he. Could maybe teams
• 2:21:17
  Speaker 1: are scared off for some. Reason you get if you
• 2:21:19
  Speaker 1: can get a really good role player at that one
• 2:21:21
  Speaker 1: thing in round, four, cool, fine, Yeah BUT i think
• 2:21:25
  Speaker 1: where they pick NOW i think is a little wonky
• 2:21:29
  Speaker 1: for that given the team needs this last. POSITION i
• 2:21:32
  Speaker 1: want to talk about wide receiver for The Buffalo. Bills
• 2:21:36
  Speaker 1: The bill's trader For Dj Moore. Russ does you know
• 2:21:40
  Speaker 1: you're looking at his wide receiver. Room It's Dj moore
• 2:21:43
  Speaker 1: And Josh palmer And Kean coleman And Khalil Shakir Tyrol
• 2:21:47
  Speaker 1: shavers is hurt likely out for the. Year but you,
• 2:21:51
  Speaker 1: KNOW i think they do need a wide. RECEIVER i
• 2:21:54
  Speaker 1: think they need a draft one, again hopefully one with
• 2:21:56
  Speaker 1: some speed, element but does wide Receiver it makes sense
• 2:22:00
  Speaker 1: for The bills in round? One is there a receiver
• 2:22:03
  Speaker 1: even though it's Not, maybe isn't their biggest? Need you
• 2:22:05
  Speaker 1: might think it is up there, still but is there a? Receiver?
• 2:22:08
  Speaker 1: Who if they're there in round, one you're, like, YES
• 2:22:12
  Speaker 1: i don't care that it's not the biggest. Need this guy's,
• 2:22:15
  Speaker 1: there he's either great himself or he's a great. Fit is?
• 2:22:20
  Speaker 1: There does wide receiver still make sense for The bills
• 2:22:22
  Speaker 1: in round one or? Early and if, so who's kind
• 2:22:25
  Speaker 1: of somebody that you would maybe make that call.
• 2:22:27
  Speaker 2: For, YEAH i, MEAN i don't think they would in
• 2:22:31
  Speaker 2: the first, round to be honest with, YOU i JUST
• 2:22:34
  Speaker 2: i don't see. IT i think that's why you went
• 2:22:36
  Speaker 2: and traded For Dj moore to kind of plant the
• 2:22:38
  Speaker 2: flag like that's our. Guy AND i think it would
• 2:22:41
  Speaker 2: be kind of a wrongdoing to bring him, there give
• 2:22:44
  Speaker 2: up that second round, pick and then double down and
• 2:22:45
  Speaker 2: get a.
• 2:22:46
  Speaker 1: Receiver so that'd be. CRAZY i, imagine like, you if
• 2:22:48
  Speaker 1: they like they took Like Denzel boston round, One i'd be, like, What.
• 2:22:51
  Speaker 2: Yeah AND i think that's kind of redundant a little
• 2:22:54
  Speaker 2: bit to what you've already tried in the. Past And
• 2:22:57
  Speaker 2: i'm not Saying Denzel boston is bad by any. Means
• 2:22:59
  Speaker 2: he's he's a fine. PLAYER i JUST i do struggle
• 2:23:02
  Speaker 2: with him a little bit at, times like he's, awesome
• 2:23:04
  Speaker 2: and then there's times Where i'm, LIKE i don't know
• 2:23:05
  Speaker 2: what the hell this?
• 2:23:06
  Speaker 1: Guy he's another one that has been popular in our
• 2:23:09
  Speaker 1: texts because we were just LIKE i don't get, Him
• 2:23:11
  Speaker 1: like he. Doesn't, yeah he's like he's like AN, x
• 2:23:13
  Speaker 1: but he doesn't play as big or as physical as AN.
• 2:23:15
  Speaker 1: X but he's got some movement to him a little.
• 2:23:17
  Speaker 1: Bit but then like he's also like not the best route,
• 2:23:21
  Speaker 1: runner but he's fine. Enough but then like he struggles
• 2:23:23
  Speaker 1: to get off, press like he struggles to get off
• 2:23:25
  Speaker 1: a jam and when guy's attached to, him but like
• 2:23:27
  Speaker 1: he moves better than. It it's just HE'S i feel
• 2:23:29
  Speaker 1: like he's another guy who has like eggs and all
• 2:23:31
  Speaker 1: these different, baskets but not enough in one basket for
• 2:23:34
  Speaker 1: me to be, like that's what you. Do and so he's.
• 2:23:36
  Speaker 2: Wonking, yeah he like doesn't sink his hips. Consistently he
• 2:23:40
  Speaker 2: can struggle versus. Press it just he's an odd. One
• 2:23:43
  Speaker 2: he's a he's a very odd. One there's a lot
• 2:23:44
  Speaker 2: of inconsistencies with his. Games BUT i THINK i think
• 2:23:48
  Speaker 2: there's a chance that he goes in the first, round
• 2:23:50
  Speaker 2: just kind of based off of things that it sounded
• 2:23:53
  Speaker 2: like coming out of the. Combine BUT i feel like
• 2:23:54
  Speaker 2: that's always the case with a lot of these skilled.
• 2:23:56
  Speaker 2: Guys AND i don't know if that's like just fantasy,
• 2:23:58
  Speaker 2: football like reving it up a little. Bit It it's
• 2:24:01
  Speaker 2: always interesting that the one that would be like for
• 2:24:04
  Speaker 2: me Where i'm just, like, Hey i'm pound of the,
• 2:24:07
  Speaker 2: table like all the d ns are gone that we,
• 2:24:09
  Speaker 2: want all the d tackles are, gone all the other
• 2:24:11
  Speaker 2: positions that we've talked about, tonight the players that we've talked.
• 2:24:14
  Speaker 2: About his first round pickture off the. BOARD i would
• 2:24:16
  Speaker 2: Go Casey. CONCEPTIONEAN i don't know If i'm saying his name.
• 2:24:18
  Speaker 2: RIGHT i never know that that would be the guy for.
• 2:24:22
  Speaker 2: ME i know he catches and claps and it's kind
• 2:24:26
  Speaker 2: of weird the way he catches the, football but the
• 2:24:28
  Speaker 2: acrobatic catches that he, HAS i know there's con concentration,
• 2:24:32
  Speaker 2: drops but the, movement the fluidity that the speed that
• 2:24:36
  Speaker 2: he has to go vertical is. THERE i love his.
• 2:24:39
  Speaker 2: Tape he reminds me a lot of Like Brandon lloyd from.
• 2:24:45
  Speaker 1: The Tax outs.
• 2:24:46
  Speaker 2: There, yeah and he's he's not as established As Brandon,
• 2:24:50
  Speaker 2: lloyd his hands are not as, strong but he makes
• 2:24:52
  Speaker 2: these acrobatic catches look easy, Man AND i think he
• 2:24:56
  Speaker 2: would be just a great compliment to the pieces that you,
• 2:24:59
  Speaker 2: have AND i Think Dj, Moore Khalil Shakir, H, Dalton,
• 2:25:03
  Speaker 2: kinkaid And casey would be would be a really fun
• 2:25:08
  Speaker 2: four way group there For Josh. Allen so that would
• 2:25:11
  Speaker 2: be kind of in the first. ROUND i can go
• 2:25:12
  Speaker 2: into the later rounds if you. WANT i just was
• 2:25:14
  Speaker 2: gonna turn it over to. You but, yeah THAT'S i
• 2:25:17
  Speaker 2: mean outside of, THAT i DON'T i don't see any
• 2:25:19
  Speaker 2: other first round. Receivers like looking at my, Board Carnel,
• 2:25:23
  Speaker 2: Tate Makay, lemon And Jordan tyson not gonna be. THERE
• 2:25:26
  Speaker 2: i don't even Think Omar cooper's gonna be. THERE i
• 2:25:28
  Speaker 2: think he's gonna go. WASTE i think he's going way
• 2:25:30
  Speaker 2: sooner than people. THINK i always mock him to to
• 2:25:33
  Speaker 2: The rams at thirteen he just, Screams La. Rams SO
• 2:25:39
  Speaker 2: i don't think he's gonna BE i don't think he's
• 2:25:40
  Speaker 2: an option for The, Bills AND i just don't see
• 2:25:42
  Speaker 2: them going wide. RECEIVER i think it's more of A day,
• 2:25:45
  Speaker 2: Two day three pick for, them and and they're going
• 2:25:47
  Speaker 2: to find a guy that that kind of fits a
• 2:25:49
  Speaker 2: specific role that they're looking for and hope to expand
• 2:25:52
  Speaker 2: it to something a little bit.
• 2:25:53
  Speaker 1: More, YEAH i don't think they go wide receiver in round.
• 2:25:57
  Speaker 1: One i'm looking at more of like a round four wide.
• 2:26:00
  Speaker 1: RECEIVER i don't even want to take a wide receiver
• 2:26:02
  Speaker 1: in round. THREE i think it's too much Of you
• 2:26:05
  Speaker 1: have too many other needs at, linebacker, interior defensive, line.
• 2:26:11
  Speaker 1: Edge And i'd still even take a safety before i'd
• 2:26:14
  Speaker 1: take a wide receiver Because Gardner johnson And gino are
• 2:26:18
  Speaker 1: each on one year, deals And Gardner johnson is super,
• 2:26:22
  Speaker 1: violatile like he might punch somebody in the face in
• 2:26:24
  Speaker 1: mini camp and be off the. Team Like i'm not
• 2:26:26
  Speaker 1: even making that as a, joke like that can literally.
• 2:26:28
  Speaker 1: Happen AND i say that is a guy who's advocated
• 2:26:31
  Speaker 1: him for advocating for him for years and wanted The
• 2:26:33
  Speaker 1: bills to add him back in twenty twenty. Three, actually so,
• 2:26:37
  Speaker 1: YEAH i just think your safety room still needs some
• 2:26:39
  Speaker 1: long term answers could also potentially get an. Upgrade, YES
• 2:26:42
  Speaker 1: i would take that over wide. Receiver for, Me i'm
• 2:26:45
  Speaker 1: gonna like sell. OUT i don't care what the rest
• 2:26:48
  Speaker 1: of his measurables. Are give Me Brennan, thompson the wide
• 2:26:50
  Speaker 1: receiver f Of Mississippi. State just give me an absolute
• 2:26:52
  Speaker 1: dude who. FLIES i think he's a better route runner
• 2:26:55
  Speaker 1: that he gets credit, for not to the level of
• 2:26:57
  Speaker 1: like he's routing everybody. Up but give me the dude
• 2:27:00
  Speaker 1: who runs four two six and who runs by everybody
• 2:27:03
  Speaker 1: and understands how to use the speed and can do
• 2:27:05
  Speaker 1: some things with. It give me him as your wide. Receiver.
• 2:27:08
  Speaker 1: Five let me develop him and coax him a little.
• 2:27:10
  Speaker 1: Bit he gives you the ability to kind of, pull you,
• 2:27:12
  Speaker 1: know some stretch some the field a little bit as a,
• 2:27:14
  Speaker 1: rookie develop into something. More but that that'd be like
• 2:27:18
  Speaker 1: Where i'm looking, like it'd be round four at the
• 2:27:20
  Speaker 1: earliest for a, receiver just BECAUSE i unless, again unless
• 2:27:24
  Speaker 1: they trade back and they acquire you, know like a
• 2:27:29
  Speaker 1: round two, pick or they get somehow multiple day two.
• 2:27:32
  Speaker 1: Picks i'm, like, okay, Cool now we can play some
• 2:27:33
  Speaker 1: things a little. Bit right now you're looking at you
• 2:27:36
  Speaker 1: have a first round pick and a third round. Pick
• 2:27:38
  Speaker 1: those two spots have to go to some combination of
• 2:27:42
  Speaker 1: if you're using both of. Them if you're not trading,
• 2:27:44
  Speaker 1: back those have to go to some combination of, edge, linebacker,
• 2:27:49
  Speaker 1: interior defensive, line safety over anything. Else so those are
• 2:27:51
  Speaker 1: four spots in need and you only got two picks
• 2:27:54
  Speaker 1: in the first three rounds to do. It SO i
• 2:27:56
  Speaker 1: just don't think they have the luxury of going receiver
• 2:27:58
  Speaker 1: before round four right. Now definitely not round. One if
• 2:28:03
  Speaker 1: they hadn't traded FOR Dj moore and they still had
• 2:28:05
  Speaker 1: all their picks as REGULAR i would Prefer Casey concepci
• 2:28:09
  Speaker 1: ON a twenty six Over Denzel. Boston just his, movement
• 2:28:11
  Speaker 1: the route runner athleticism gives you some punt returnability as.
• 2:28:15
  Speaker 1: Well he's also From, rochester which is an hour outside Of.
• 2:28:19
  Speaker 1: Buffalo his dad grew up A bills, fan all that.
• 2:28:21
  Speaker 1: STUFF i just think he's a good. Player he's a fun.
• 2:28:24
  Speaker 1: PLAYER i watched a bunch Of TEXAS, A a AND
• 2:28:26
  Speaker 1: m this. Year him and oh that other sick receiver
• 2:28:30
  Speaker 1: that they have were just such a, fun dynamic duo
• 2:28:34
  Speaker 1: and wide. Receiver it's driving me absolutely. Nuts.
• 2:28:37
  Speaker 2: Ah, well while while you're thinking of, it like looking
• 2:28:45
  Speaker 2: at fourth round for, them or even maybe even a
• 2:28:48
  Speaker 2: little bit, later This.
• 2:28:52
  Speaker 1: Mario krag sorry it Was craver And, conselsio AND i was,
• 2:28:54
  Speaker 1: LIKE i know it's a c, yeah but they're Both
• 2:28:56
  Speaker 1: craver's tiny war number. One but starting from that first.
• 2:28:59
  Speaker 1: GAME i, mean It's Notre dame WHERE i was watching
• 2:29:01
  Speaker 1: him shake everybody left and. RIGHT i was, like oh,
• 2:29:03
  Speaker 1: yeah And craver And, conceptcio we're. Sick, Sorry, no you're.
• 2:29:06
  Speaker 2: Good you're. GOOD a guy that is super under the
• 2:29:11
  Speaker 2: radar to. Me And i've talked to you about. Him
• 2:29:14
  Speaker 2: i've told you to you, know watch him if you,
• 2:29:15
  Speaker 2: Haven't no big. Deal he was a transfer From, indiana
• 2:29:19
  Speaker 2: played this past. Year started thirteen games at wide receiver From,
• 2:29:24
  Speaker 2: michigan and despite some of the inconsistencies From, Bryce underwood
• 2:29:27
  Speaker 2: went out and caught forty passes for almost six hundred
• 2:29:30
  Speaker 2: yards this. Year and That's donovan McCauley From MICHIGAN u
• 2:29:35
  Speaker 2: six foot, four two hundred and three. Pounds if you're
• 2:29:38
  Speaker 2: looking for kind of that wide receiver three four POTENTIAL x,
• 2:29:42
  Speaker 2: RECEIVER i think that this guy has what it takes
• 2:29:45
  Speaker 2: AND i think he moves really well for his. Size
• 2:29:50
  Speaker 2: he did not tape was.
• 2:29:51
  Speaker 1: Good WHEN i Watched michigan VERUS. USC i kept an
• 2:29:53
  Speaker 1: eye out for him right there WHILE i was watching
• 2:29:55
  Speaker 1: For fitzgerald AND i was, like, oh, Yeah russ is, Right, yeah.
• 2:29:58
  Speaker 2: Yeah, dude he really. Moves he's a great. Blocker he
• 2:30:02
  Speaker 2: is a willing, blocker AND i know people will be
• 2:30:04
  Speaker 2: like that doesn't. Matter it matters When James cook is
• 2:30:07
  Speaker 2: breaking one and you need something to hit on the.
• 2:30:09
  Speaker 2: Perimeter it matters that your quarterbacks running around with his
• 2:30:11
  Speaker 2: head cut off and got to make something. Happen he
• 2:30:15
  Speaker 2: needs something to pick up on the. Perimeter BUT i.
• 2:30:18
  Speaker 2: Digress donv, MCCOLLY i really, LIKE i really do think
• 2:30:21
  Speaker 2: he's an underrated. PLAYER i think he can be a solid.
• 2:30:24
  Speaker 2: PRO i think like when you think of Like Josh
• 2:30:26
  Speaker 2: reynolds and some of those bigger body receivers that aren't
• 2:30:29
  Speaker 2: going to amount to seventy eighty, receptions but they're going
• 2:30:32
  Speaker 2: to get you a solid thirty or forty and be
• 2:30:34
  Speaker 2: good role, players special teams guys out of, mccoley really fun.
• 2:30:38
  Speaker 2: Player he started a bunch At indiana prior to going To.
• 2:30:42
  Speaker 2: Michigan he had like fifteen or sixteen starts. There he
• 2:30:46
  Speaker 2: played thirty four games For. Indiana SO i really Like donovan,
• 2:30:50
  Speaker 2: mccolly LIKE i, Said and another one just from The Senior,
• 2:30:53
  Speaker 2: bowl watching him a little bit undersized at five, ten one.
• 2:30:56
  Speaker 2: Eighty That's Kevin coleman junior explosive athlete with a thirty
• 2:31:00
  Speaker 2: eight and a half inch vertical got sub four or
• 2:31:02
  Speaker 2: five speed by a Hair but you watch the way
• 2:31:06
  Speaker 2: he routes in Senior bowl, practice it's super. Impressive but
• 2:31:09
  Speaker 2: those are always tough ones because he doesn't show that
• 2:31:12
  Speaker 2: necessarily all the time on. Tape BUT i think he
• 2:31:15
  Speaker 2: runs his routes with some really good, pacing AND i
• 2:31:18
  Speaker 2: think he does a good job catching the football. Overall
• 2:31:21
  Speaker 2: but comparing it to To donovan, mccoley mccoley just the
• 2:31:26
  Speaker 2: way again catching the ball away from his. Body it's
• 2:31:28
  Speaker 2: a constant. Thing he's not trapping, it it's not, clapping
• 2:31:32
  Speaker 2: it's just always away from the frame and it's it's it's.
• 2:31:36
  Speaker 2: FLUID i really like. Him so McCoy would be the other,
• 2:31:39
  Speaker 2: one and kind of in like a dream scenario for you,
• 2:31:40
  Speaker 2: guys would Be Dion burks From. Oklahoma if you're kind
• 2:31:46
  Speaker 2: of looking for like A Deebo samuel esque, player that's
• 2:31:50
  Speaker 2: maybe a little bit a little bit more, healthy a
• 2:31:52
  Speaker 2: little bit more. Elusive BUT i just don't know if
• 2:31:54
  Speaker 2: he'll be, there BECAUSE i think he ends up GOING
• 2:31:56
  Speaker 2: i think a lot sooner than people realize as.
• 2:31:58
  Speaker 1: Well, yeah he can scow. MAN i feel like there
• 2:32:00
  Speaker 1: were so many games For oklahoma where it's like he, catch,
• 2:32:03
  Speaker 1: hey catch this five yard slant and then house this
• 2:32:05
  Speaker 1: thing and it was like, okay there he goes like
• 2:32:07
  Speaker 1: just yeah, juice like real juice that shows on tape
• 2:32:11
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  Speaker 1: take care of one. ANOTHER i will see. You WHEN
• 2:40:58
  Speaker 1: i see, you, godspeed and as, Always gobels