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Chuck & Buck 11-20 Hour 3: 12th Man Roundtable with Hugh Millen and Gregg Bell · Chuck in the Morning

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Speaker 1: It's Chuck Buck and Ashley with you here on this Thursday.
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Speaker 1: It's time for our twelfth Man round table with our
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Speaker 1: Seahawks insider, Greg Bill, and also our QB one and
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Speaker 1: also musicficionado as well.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, Hugh Millan's at all this.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, he's like Casey casem who can break down a
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Speaker 1: pass pattern.
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Speaker 3: Oddly love music, but if you offered me one thousand
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Speaker 3: dollars to go to a piano and press the sea,
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Speaker 3: I'd have a one in sixteen chance.
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Speaker 1: You can appreciate Mozart. You just aren't Mozart something like that.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, well, good to have you guys with us.
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Speaker 1: It's time to round table it up here on a Thursday,
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Speaker 1: and we got a lot to discuss. Let's go back
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Speaker 1: to Sunday, a two point loss to the Los Angeles Rams,
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Speaker 1: four turnovers in the game by Sam Darnold and the Seahawks,
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Speaker 1: and then of course still had a chance to win
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Speaker 1: the game late. So Greg, I'll just start big picture
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Speaker 1: with you, and rarely do we start with a big
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Speaker 1: quick picture question, but we're a few days removed from it.
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Speaker 2: What do we think we learned.
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Speaker 1: About the Seahawks on Sunday at this stage in the process,
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Speaker 1: they go ahead to ad against the team they need
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Speaker 1: to beat eventually to take this division. Made it close,
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Speaker 1: shot themselves in a foot a few times. Where do
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Speaker 1: we think the Seahawks sit after having played such a
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Speaker 1: big regular season game.
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Speaker 4: Big picture, they're fine for the playoffs. They're going to
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Speaker 4: be eight and three after this weekend in Nashville. But
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Speaker 4: the bigger concern is they still are below the Rams
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Speaker 4: and the forty nine ers, and that means road playoff games,
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Speaker 4: Wildcard maybe one win, and then a second round game
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Speaker 4: in Philadelphia Detroit and see you later.
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Speaker 5: That's been their history for the last ten years.
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Speaker 4: And so if you take that as a bigger picture
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Speaker 4: and then narrowed down what they've done since to try
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Speaker 4: to fix that. They fired Pete Carroll, they brought in
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Speaker 4: two new offensive coordinators in two years. They traded their quarterback,
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Speaker 4: They signed a new quarterback to one hundred million dollar contract.
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Speaker 4: They redid the defense with Ernest Jones in the trade
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Speaker 4: last year, and Nick emn Worry and so on.
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Speaker 5: All the changes they've made. As we sit right here
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Speaker 5: right now.
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Speaker 4: There's still no better in their own division, and that's damning.
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Speaker 4: But they are much closer to being better than the
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Speaker 4: Rams and the forty nine ers than they've been in
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Speaker 4: a decade, So the next seven games will determine whether
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Speaker 4: they in fact can get there. They had the Rams
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Speaker 4: again at home on a Thursday night in mid December,
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Speaker 4: and they end the season at the forty nine Ers.
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Speaker 4: They'll be favored in pretty much every other game up
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Speaker 4: to between those two games, So what's left for them
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Speaker 4: will determine whether how far they've come on their big
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Speaker 4: picture request to get back to division superiority. The fact remains,
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Speaker 4: if Darnold doesn't throw four interceptions, they win that game.
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Speaker 5: The Rams.
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Speaker 4: I'm sure you has already said this on the air
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Speaker 4: of this station this week. The Rams had only one
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Speaker 4: touchdown drive, one drive where they actually had to go
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Speaker 4: more than the half the field. Their two other touchdown
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Speaker 4: drives were three yards and twenty five yards thanks to
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Speaker 4: Sam Donald turning the ball over deep in his own end.
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Speaker 4: So if you can extrapolate back to when the Rams
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Speaker 4: played the Seahawks and lumen Field last year, thirteen points
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Speaker 4: in regulation by the offense against Seattle's defenses. She was
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Speaker 4: talked about Mike McDonald in the last two real games
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Speaker 4: out there in the JV game in January in Englewood.
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Speaker 4: Mike McDonald has had Sean mcvay's number like nobody else
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Speaker 4: in the league. Thirteen points in regulation in November last
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Speaker 4: year in Blumenfield, seven points. Having to drive the field
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Speaker 4: against Seattle the other day without getting handed the game.
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Speaker 4: Donald's turnovers, we talked about it even before the Rams game.
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Speaker 4: That's a concern. When you're tied with tuatunguea Iola for
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Speaker 4: the most turnovers in the league at that position, that's
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Speaker 4: a problem no matter who they're playing, including Tennessee this week.
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Speaker 1: Hugh out concerning was the game by Sam Darnold on Sunday,
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Speaker 1: and then big picture, do we have the right quarterback
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Speaker 1: going forward?
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Speaker 3: Well, first of all, if I can respond to, I
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Speaker 3: agree with a lot or most of what Greg said. Greg,
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Speaker 3: I think that the tenor of your sense that hey,
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Speaker 3: they're just behind the Rams. Yeah, they're behind the Rams
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Speaker 3: in the standings right now. But the Seahawks are the
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Speaker 3: of all the contenders looked at them all. They're the
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Speaker 3: only team that has a new quarterback and a new
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Speaker 3: coordinator on offense. The Seahawks are the fifth youngest team
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Speaker 3: in the NFL. Yeah, they had a game where the
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Speaker 3: quarterback lost it. He had four interceptions. All four of
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Speaker 3: those are double minuses. But when you consider all the
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Speaker 3: positives that will likely discuss here, I feel like they're
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Speaker 3: right there. They're seven and three. They have a two
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Speaker 3: to three record. That's four hundred against the other playoff teams.
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Speaker 3: That doesn't sound very good. Well, guess what of the
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Speaker 3: fourteen teams, there's only two that have a winning record
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Speaker 3: against them. You know, last year, out of fourteen playoff teams,
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Speaker 3: eight of the fourteen had a three point thirty three
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Speaker 3: win percentage or worse against other playoff teams. So they're
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Speaker 3: fine in regard to what their schedule is. It's going
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Speaker 3: to come down to the December eighteenth game. As for Darnold,
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Speaker 3: look the interceptions. Again, I am not excusing those interceptions, Chuck,
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Speaker 3: you know, but I think there's a lot of things
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Speaker 3: going around it. Like the first one, I think it
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Speaker 3: was a poor scheming where they had the Zabel fan
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Speaker 3: out to help the left tackle and the right guard
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Speaker 3: was going to be fanning out eventually on his side.
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Speaker 3: That was Olua Timmy one on one. As a general axiom,
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Speaker 3: you don't want to have centers on an island against
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Speaker 3: with both guards dividing. I would have rather had Charles
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Speaker 3: Cross on verse and had the tight end ship and
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Speaker 3: then released in the flag. He was going in the
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Speaker 3: flat anyways with press coverage, Cooper Cup, don't go nineteen
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Speaker 3: yards man, you got a hole. You got to shorten
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Speaker 3: up that route. So now he's holding the ball. So
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Speaker 3: there's things going on again. It's the quarterback. It's his fall.
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Speaker 3: The second one, he gets hit in two point one second,
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Speaker 3: Sam Bradford. Excuse me, Anthony Bradford is totally oblivious to
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Speaker 3: the stunt and he gets hit right in the in
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Speaker 3: the lips on a on a pass. So there's people
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Speaker 3: breaking down around him. As Greg Olsen said on the
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Speaker 3: third interception, the bender Elijah Royo, he'd like to have
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Speaker 3: it bend in. I still give Sam Donald a double minus.
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Speaker 3: I think he saw yellow light. I think he should
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Speaker 3: have seen a red light. But as for the big picture,
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Speaker 3: I mean Sam Donald his first forty nine games, he
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Speaker 3: won thirty five percent of his games in his career.
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Speaker 3: Then three exactly three years ago November twenty seventh to
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Speaker 3: twenty twenty two, when he's twenty five years old. That's
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Speaker 3: when everything clicked. He went from winning thirty five five
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Speaker 3: percent of his games in the last thirty four games,
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Speaker 3: he's won seventy four percent of them. Number of passer
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Speaker 3: rating games over one hundred, he went from sixteen percent
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Speaker 3: of his games being over one hundred a triple digit
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Speaker 3: passerway to sixty eight percent. What is sixty eight percent
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Speaker 3: of your times when you get a triple digit? In
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Speaker 3: Pat Mahomes' entire career, he's sixty one out of one
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Speaker 3: hundred and twenty two, exactly fifty percent, and only one
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Speaker 3: of those was his rookie year. The second year is
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Speaker 3: an MVP. And then as far as the big games,
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Speaker 3: people are talking about the big game, I'm gonna quote
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Speaker 3: Don James from November seventeenth of nineteen ninety nine in
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Speaker 3: a local paper quote, the biggest game is always the
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Speaker 3: one you lost. You never get credit for the ones
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Speaker 3: you win for being a big game. So Sam Donald
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Speaker 3: went fourteen and three last year. He beat Green Bay twice.
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Speaker 3: They would have been thirteen to four had had Sam
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Speaker 3: Donald not beat him. Well, Donald in those games at
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Speaker 3: one hundred and twenty three pass right sixteen beat the
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Speaker 3: Houston Texans when they won their division. He had one
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Speaker 3: hundred nineteen passer rating. How about the game against Seattle
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Speaker 3: when Seattle needed to have a win against the Vikings
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Speaker 3: of the Packers. He comes in here, beats the Seahawks
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Speaker 3: twenty seven to twenty four, has one hundred and twelve
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Speaker 3: passer rating. So all these things like he's had big
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Speaker 3: games and then and then and then to close it
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Speaker 3: off last year in the playoff, I'll say against the
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Speaker 3: Lions that last game he was poor. Gotta be better.
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Speaker 3: But that RAM playoff game doesn't matter. Who was the quarterback.
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Speaker 3: Remember the Super Bowl, Pat Mahomes had seven seventeen pressures
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Speaker 3: running for his life after three quarters, he had a
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Speaker 3: fifty three passer rating. In the air, they were down
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Speaker 3: thirty four to six. We had seventeen pressures. Donald had
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Speaker 3: twenty seven in that RAM game. There's more on my
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Speaker 3: notes here. I just think that that Sam Sam there's
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Speaker 3: enough evidence that Sam Donald, and I mean touch on
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Speaker 3: the call is stuff. There's enough evidence that Sam Arnold
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Speaker 3: has a clutch gene, or certainly that he doesn't have
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Speaker 3: a wilt gene. We just don't have a lot of
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Speaker 3: data set and we'll see. But the guy's been balling
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Speaker 3: and you know I can't wait for his redemption opportunity
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Speaker 3: in a month against the Rams. Greg.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, well, you're right. The wins and losses his career
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Speaker 4: is absolutely u turn. Of course, he started with the
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Speaker 4: Jets and the Panthers, and he's been with the Vikings
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Speaker 4: and the Seahawks. That'll turn around anybody's career. The bottom
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Speaker 4: line is the guy who has the ball in every
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Speaker 4: play can't turn the ball over more than anybody else
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Speaker 4: in the league. And whether it's them dropping in the
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Speaker 4: box coverage, as Cooper Cup explained to me after the
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Speaker 4: game in Englewood on Sunday, and then running a safety
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Speaker 4: out or vice versa, having a too high show look
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Speaker 4: at the snap and then running the safety down, he himself.
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Speaker 4: Darnold said he was a victim of holding onto the
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Speaker 4: ball tom after the game on Sunday, and a couple
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Speaker 4: times he admitted he could just throw the ball straight
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Speaker 4: into the turf and avoid an interception or a sack.
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Speaker 4: The third interception in particular, fourth interception in particular, the
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Speaker 4: jump pass to a Royo. He was trying to avoid
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Speaker 4: the sack because he was on the edge of field
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Speaker 4: goal range. In a twenty one to twelve game with
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Speaker 4: six minutes left, and he said after the game he
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Speaker 4: was preoccupied with not losing the five or six yards
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Speaker 4: on that sack that would have pushed him out of
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Speaker 4: field goal range, which is why he got rid of
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Speaker 4: the ball at the last second to a royal. And
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Speaker 4: then he said, I should have just dirted the ball.
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Speaker 4: It's the nature of the position. Hugh knows that more
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Speaker 4: than any of us. If the quarterback when they lose,
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Speaker 4: he gets the blame. If he wins that game, he
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Speaker 4: would get all the credit for rallying at the end
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Speaker 4: despite the four interceptions. It's you can make a case
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Speaker 4: the Seahawks' three losses are because Sam Donald did not
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Speaker 4: take care of the ball in the crunch time of
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Speaker 4: the game. Forty nine ers red zone, a minute and
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Speaker 4: half left, Abe Lucas gets pushed into by Nick Posa,
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Speaker 4: Donald doesn't secure the ball, fumble lost, seventeen thirteen, Buccaneers
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Speaker 4: tied four minutes left, Seahawks in their own end. He
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Speaker 4: doesn't recognize the safety plitz, he doesn't get rid of
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Speaker 4: the ball, and toin Winfield hits him, revolts in an
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Speaker 4: interception off of the alignment's helmet, gifted the Buccaneers the
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Speaker 4: winning field goal and then the Rams the other day.
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Speaker 4: That's part true of any team. If your quarterback turns
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Speaker 4: over the ball, those are your losses. But you could
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Speaker 4: trace Sam Darnold taking either sacks or throwing the ball
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Speaker 4: into the ground, and the Seahawks could be nine to one,
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Speaker 4: ten and oer right now, that's not a stretch. And
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Speaker 4: there are a lot of people around the organization in
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Speaker 4: the locker room upstairs in the building who think, if
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Speaker 4: we can just get the quarterback and the offense to
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Speaker 4: not turn over.
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Speaker 5: The ball, that they would be a division champion.
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Speaker 1: Well, it does get credit for how many wins we
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Speaker 1: got for how well he played as well. But I'll
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Speaker 1: throw it to you, Hugh, did we have a turnover
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Speaker 1: issue with Sam because the statistics might suggest that we do.
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Speaker 3: Well. Let's first of all, talk, not every fumble is
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Speaker 3: created equal. A running back has to have the five
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Speaker 3: points of pressure the chest, the bicep, the forearm, the
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Speaker 3: thumb side of the hand, and the finger side of
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Speaker 3: the hand. When you're running a quarterback who's in the pocket,
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Speaker 3: if he has both hands on the pocket, there is
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Speaker 3: more of a burden on him than if he's passing.
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Speaker 3: If he has begun the act of passing and his
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Speaker 3: right hand is separated, if he barely gets hit on
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Speaker 3: his wrist, he's going to fumble. And so if he's
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Speaker 3: in the forty nine er game, if he's looking, he's
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Speaker 3: thrown to the left flat and his vision is to
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Speaker 3: the left flat and the right tackle gets overrun early
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Speaker 3: in the down and he has already separated his hands.
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Speaker 3: Are we evaluating a quarterback fumble like a running back fumble?
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Speaker 3: That's nonsensical to me. And as far as as the turnover,
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Speaker 3: the Pro Football Focus has what's called turnover worthy plays,
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Speaker 3: so they try and balance out. Hey, sometimes you deserve
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Speaker 3: an interception. You threw it right to the defender, caught it,
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Speaker 3: had two hands on the ball, but he dropped it.
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Speaker 3: What they say is that should have been an interception.
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Speaker 3: And then there's other times they say, wait a minute,
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Speaker 3: that's not the quarterback's fault, like when aj Barner got
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Speaker 3: overrun against Arizona and he bounced the ball off the
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Speaker 3: helmet up with through no fault of his own. So
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Speaker 3: PFF has Sam Darnold with ten turnover worthy plays. You
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Speaker 3: know who has more, Drake May the Vegas odds for
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Speaker 3: winning the MVP. Bo Nicks also leading the AFC, also
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Speaker 3: an MVP candidate, Pat Mahomes, Baker Mayfield, and many others.
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Speaker 3: And then that's offset against big time throw percentage. He's
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Speaker 3: number two in the NFL and big time throws only
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Speaker 3: one behind Stafford. But the percent that he has, the
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Speaker 3: percent of his passes that, in the judgment of PFF
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Speaker 3: is a big time throw seven point six percent, he's
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Speaker 3: number one in the NFL. So I ask you in August,
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Speaker 3: if I had told you that at this juncture, the
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Speaker 3: Seahawks would be seven to three, that they would be
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Speaker 3: number three in the NFL in scoring, that their quarterback
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Speaker 3: would be number two graded Pro Football Focus on Passer,
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Speaker 3: that the quarterback would be number one in yards per dropback,
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Speaker 3: number one in yards per ten And on the off target,
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Speaker 3: this is not PFF. This is the NFL off target
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Speaker 3: percentage six point six two percent, second lowest, even though
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Speaker 3: he's stretching the field along. If I had asked you
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Speaker 3: that in August, and with Seattle being seven to three
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Speaker 3: young the only team with a new quarterback and a
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Speaker 3: new offensive coordinator that's in the playoff hunt, what have
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Speaker 3: you not taken that for sure. Look, look, I am
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Speaker 3: not Sam Donald. Lost the RAM game, period, hard stop.
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Speaker 3: Nothing else is Sam Donald, and he'll tell you that
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Speaker 3: he did tell you that. That's the nature of the position.
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Speaker 3: I don't like it any more than anybody else, but
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Speaker 3: I think there's a great chance to finish strong. Look.
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Speaker 3: I was on a Cowboy team that everybody knew we
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Speaker 3: were the best. This is right in that dynasty winning
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Speaker 3: super Bowls. Everybody knew we were the best team, and
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Speaker 3: you could just be the dudes all year long. Is
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Speaker 3: Seattle or really anybody that good? Who is the best
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Speaker 3: team in September this year? The Buffalo Bills. Then who
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Speaker 3: is the best team in October? The Colts and the Packers.
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Speaker 3: Who is there in a team that can really just
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Speaker 3: say we're going to be the best for two months
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Speaker 3: and take everybody shot and be the hunted. I don't
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Speaker 3: think Seattle's that good. So the fact that they're seven
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Speaker 3: and three and they can be the hunter and then
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Speaker 3: all they got to do is be healthy at the
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Speaker 3: end of the season, win enough games to have a
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Speaker 3: good seed and be peaking. And I think it's damn
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Speaker 3: hard to take all those shots. So this could have
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Speaker 3: been a blessing that they lost to Seaoffs. But I'm
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Speaker 3: not putting in these these big things like like like
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Speaker 3: we can't turn this thing around. I don't know. I
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Speaker 3: just don't see it that way.
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Speaker 4: No, I don't think they're anywhere near not being able
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Speaker 4: to turn it around. I think that they're making it
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Speaker 4: harder for themselves if they can't win a division. We
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Speaker 4: know the history says that the Seahawks, in particular, if
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Speaker 4: they don't have home playoff games and not going to
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Speaker 4: Super Bowl and that division title, guys, has been the
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Speaker 4: number one goal since they hired my not doubt and
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Speaker 4: they ever won road games at this rate, No, of
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Speaker 4: course not but the but the road games and the
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Speaker 4: playoffs come with a difference. You get to be a
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Speaker 4: seed and you come with a hot You don't play
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Speaker 4: just Tennessee Arizona. So I'm telling you the tenor in
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Speaker 4: the building is the division is there for the taking
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Speaker 4: if the offense just takes care of themselves, because the
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Speaker 4: defense will win us games age.
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Speaker 5: And then you start granular about.
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Speaker 4: The offense, and then we start talking about Darnold in
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Speaker 4: the run game and the Anthony Bradford and whatnot, But
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Speaker 4: that they're their opinion is they built this program with
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Speaker 4: the defense being this good to win this division, and
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Speaker 4: their defense really I talked to letter Words and locker
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Speaker 4: room have to be in Englewood, and he said, man,
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Speaker 4: I want to play the Rams.
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Speaker 5: Again like tomorrow.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, because they think they've got the Rams on defense now.
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Speaker 4: If they can just get the offense to take care
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Speaker 4: of the ball and hold up there in that, they
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Speaker 4: think they can win the division.
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Speaker 3: I know they lost.
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Speaker 1: I know their quarterback through four interceptions on Sunday, But
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Speaker 1: to me, the better team on Sunday lost the football game.
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Speaker 1: I thought the Seahawks out played the Rams for four quarters,
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Speaker 1: and yeah, you have to go with you lost.
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Speaker 3: You lost the game.
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Speaker 1: But I thought they had a pretty good showing other
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Speaker 1: than the four turnovers on Sunday, So I feel good
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Speaker 1: about where they're at.
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Speaker 3: We're going to.
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Speaker 1: Continue our conversation. It's our twelfth man roundtable here on
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Speaker 1: this Thursday. We got Greg Beller Seahawks insider. We got
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Speaker 1: Hugh Millen, our QB one joining us here. We got
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Speaker 1: to talk about Gray's Abel's health on the other side,
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Speaker 1: the interior of the offense line, and of course size
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Speaker 1: up this week's opponent. The lowly Tennessee Titans on Sports
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Speaker 1: Radio ninety three point three KJRFM.
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Speaker 2: She didn't double that in college? Do you have to
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Speaker 2: have drilled that into her head?
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Speaker 4: I did drill that into her. I'm proud of her
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Speaker 4: for retaining it. She's coming home from Connecticut tomorrow for
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Speaker 4: what Thanksgiving breaks.
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Speaker 5: He hasn't been home since summer.
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Speaker 3: So you got a gree her with just return of
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Speaker 3: the mac.
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Speaker 5: Just oh yeah, she's yeah, she's used to that.
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Speaker 3: Just kidding with that.
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Speaker 2: Greg Bell, Hugh Millan with us.
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Speaker 1: It's our twelve man round table Seahawks getting ready for
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Speaker 1: the Titans. Greg, I'll start again with you in this
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Speaker 1: segment because I need to know I'll beat up the
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Speaker 1: interior of the offensive line.
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Speaker 3: Is we got?
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Speaker 1: We seem to have an Anthony Bradford issue. We know
18:41
Speaker 1: Sundell's out for a little while longer. What is going
18:44
Speaker 1: on with Grey's Abel? I shuddered to think that we
18:47
Speaker 1: wouldn't have him too.
18:49
Speaker 5: I don't think you're gonna have Grey's Abel.
18:50
Speaker 4: It doesn't look like he's going to play at Tennessee,
18:53
Speaker 4: and Anthony Bradford is well banged up.
18:56
Speaker 5: He's going to play.
18:57
Speaker 4: Jaylenson Della's on injured reserve, so he's not gonna play
18:59
Speaker 4: for three more games at a minimum. So, yes, the
19:02
Speaker 4: interior offensive line is an issue. It's been an issue
19:04
Speaker 4: all season, and now they're missing perhaps two starters.
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Speaker 5: Christian Haynes, the third round.
19:09
Speaker 4: Pick from last year from Connecticut who has had multiple
19:12
Speaker 4: chances to win a starting job at guard, came in
19:15
Speaker 4: in tough duty because Able got hurt on the touchdown
19:19
Speaker 4: that Walker had with two and a half minutes to play,
19:22
Speaker 4: and then Haynes had to come in and play the
19:24
Speaker 4: ten play frantic drive at the end off their own
19:26
Speaker 4: one yard line. I talked to him yesterday and he said, yeah,
19:30
Speaker 4: there were some things with some pass sets and some
19:32
Speaker 4: footwork and leaning that I did that I need to
19:34
Speaker 4: clean up. But it's hard to do what he did
19:37
Speaker 4: to pretty much watch three hours on the sideline and
19:39
Speaker 4: then they thrust into with the game on the line
19:42
Speaker 4: of frantic no huddle drive. So he'll be better obviously
19:48
Speaker 4: than he was last weekend. The thing about the Titans
19:52
Speaker 4: is their defense is pretty good and their best players
19:55
Speaker 4: on defense Jeffrey Simmons. He often lines up at right
19:59
Speaker 4: defensive end and right defensive tackle, which means he will
20:02
Speaker 4: get a lot of time on Christian Haynes his side,
20:05
Speaker 4: and also with Charles Cross f tackle. That's the matchup
20:08
Speaker 4: to worry about for Seattle. Jeffrey Simmons can wreck this
20:12
Speaker 4: game offensively for Seattle.
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Speaker 5: He's that good.
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Speaker 4: And I still remember the joint practice in Nashville we
20:18
Speaker 4: went to in twenty twenty four. Simmons looked like an
20:20
Speaker 4: All Pro against the Seahawks offensive line. Those two practices,
20:25
Speaker 4: you can bet that there is a lot of this
20:27
Speaker 4: game plan from Clint Kubiak and the offensive line coaches
20:31
Speaker 4: about Jeffrey Simmons.
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Speaker 5: So, yes, the interior offensive line is a concern. If
20:36
Speaker 5: I'm the Titans, I'm sending Simmons on Slant's interior to
20:39
Speaker 5: test out over with Timmy and Christian Haynes. And I'm
20:42
Speaker 5: sending Blitzer by linebackers and safeties up the middle to
20:45
Speaker 5: test the interior that line here.
20:47
Speaker 1: I think we're gonna win on Sunday. But I don't
20:48
Speaker 1: need to see Sam Darnold running for his life because
20:51
Speaker 1: they can't protect him up the middle.
20:54
Speaker 3: Agreed. I mean that's just you know ball in the NFL.
20:58
Speaker 3: I mean, look, if you're going to have these in
21:00
Speaker 3: this is the time to do it. If if you
21:02
Speaker 3: can't beat this feeble a team, then what are we
21:05
Speaker 3: even talking about? I mean, you guys can just you know,
21:08
Speaker 3: cancel this show next week, just talk more baseball because uh,
21:13
Speaker 3: look you're playing the Titans. They're awful and uh and
21:18
Speaker 3: so yeah, it's a problem. But if you're you know,
21:21
Speaker 3: you fancy yourself a decent team, you got to either
21:23
Speaker 3: overcome it or you know, guys get experience. We'll see.
21:26
Speaker 3: You know, Christennanes hasn't played much left guard in his career,
21:28
Speaker 3: is a right guard at Yukon, hasn't played much left
21:31
Speaker 3: guard as a Sea Hawk, but you know, you know,
21:35
Speaker 3: tough jobs you gotta go.
21:36
Speaker 1: Well, maybe this is the week to finally establish you
21:40
Speaker 1: ken Walker as RB one. We discussed it earlier this
21:46
Speaker 1: week that maybe it's not as easy as it looks
21:49
Speaker 1: just to handken Walker the ball twenty times a game
21:52
Speaker 1: and Zach Charbona is the backup.
21:54
Speaker 2: But is it time to just let Canine eat?
21:59
Speaker 3: Well? I think it gets way past time. I mean,
22:01
Speaker 3: I'm pretty certain that if we went through, if I
22:06
Speaker 3: went through and all the podcasts of all the shows
22:09
Speaker 3: since Canine's been here, I think I'm in the triple
22:12
Speaker 3: digits of being very unequivocal in my view, Greg that Canine,
22:18
Speaker 3: you know, is clearly to my eyes, the best guy.
22:23
Speaker 3: I don't get it. I don't understand how it's a controversy,
22:26
Speaker 3: and just to put it in perspective, I'm just weighing
22:30
Speaker 3: it in terms of Okay, there's the explosive potential for Canine.
22:37
Speaker 3: I mean he ran a four to three five at
22:39
Speaker 3: the combine Sarbonney ran a four five three. That's the
22:42
Speaker 3: difference between being in the fifty fifth percentile versus the
22:46
Speaker 3: ninety fifth percentile. It shows up on field in explosive
22:51
Speaker 3: run percent Canine is fifth in the NFL at all
22:54
Speaker 3: all running backs with one hundred or more rush attempts.
22:58
Speaker 3: That's twenty nine. Zach Starbuney is twenty ninth out of
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Speaker 3: twenty nine. So Canine's literally going to triple your opportunity.
23:07
Speaker 3: There's a in the stat portal with the NFL that
23:10
Speaker 3: I log into avoided tackle percentage. Canine at thirty six
23:15
Speaker 3: point zero three percent, He's third in the NFL. You
23:17
Speaker 3: know it has merit and relevance. When Jonathan Taylor's number
23:20
Speaker 3: one and bjon Robinson is number two. Canine was number
23:24
Speaker 3: one in that stat last year. If you combined last
23:26
Speaker 3: year in this year at his thirty four point three percent,
23:29
Speaker 3: number one in the NFL. So we're top five in
23:31
Speaker 3: explosive rate, we're number one in avoided tackle percentage. And
23:35
Speaker 3: he say, well, what about the just the meat and
23:38
Speaker 3: potato stuff. If you go successful play percent forty percent
23:42
Speaker 3: of the need yards on first down, sixty percent of
23:45
Speaker 3: the need of yards on second down, you still have
23:48
Speaker 3: a canine has a nominal advanced two percent advantage, So
23:54
Speaker 3: you're not losing anything in that regard, and you're picking
23:57
Speaker 3: up a lot. So when I watch a RAM game
24:00
Speaker 3: and I see on neutral downs that they run twenty
24:02
Speaker 3: times and they only throw eleven. They're really committed to
24:05
Speaker 3: the run. I'm like, hand it to the dude who
24:09
Speaker 3: has a chance to rip something. You know, that twenty
24:13
Speaker 3: three yard or little checkdown where he just bursts. There's
24:18
Speaker 3: no way any other running back on Seattle can do that.
24:21
Speaker 3: That stretch play that he got twenty five yards just
24:23
Speaker 3: you know, it's like you're rolling the dice and every
24:26
Speaker 3: time you have a chance that he can really pop something.
24:31
Speaker 3: So to me, Greg, it's K nine. It's K nine
24:36
Speaker 3: all day. To the extent that you know I get
24:40
Speaker 3: third downs, maybe you take him out. I'm exaggerating a
24:42
Speaker 3: little bit, but there's no question in my mind, both
24:47
Speaker 3: from the stats and what my eyes tell me, Canine's
24:49
Speaker 3: got to be the guy. Why are they dragging their
24:51
Speaker 3: feet on this?
24:51
Speaker 5: Then?
24:51
Speaker 4: Greg, well, up to now, as we mentioned earlier this week,
24:54
Speaker 4: it's been managing this foot issue that he had in August,
24:57
Speaker 4: and they were trying to get him through seventeen games
24:59
Speaker 4: so he could play in all him So I asked
25:01
Speaker 4: McDonald this week, is that passed him? And he said yes,
25:04
Speaker 4: as far as he knows, they're not in managing phase anymore.
25:08
Speaker 5: And when I ask him, why not use the more elusive.
25:10
Speaker 4: Back, the guy that can make tacklers miss, especially in
25:13
Speaker 4: short yard is in goal line, he said, you're right,
25:17
Speaker 4: Walker needs more opportunities.
25:19
Speaker 5: The play on.
25:19
Speaker 4: Third and one I mentioned the other day in the
25:22
Speaker 4: third quarter when they were down fourteen to nine.
25:25
Speaker 5: It's third and one and ninety one.
25:28
Speaker 4: Kobe Turner beat with an immediate swim move Anthony Bradford
25:31
Speaker 4: and was standing in the backfield two yards behind the
25:33
Speaker 4: line of scrimmage, ready to dump Walker for a loss
25:36
Speaker 4: and fourth down on a field goal try.
25:39
Speaker 5: If Sharbona is running that, he runs right into Kobe
25:41
Speaker 5: Turner for a loss of two.
25:43
Speaker 4: Walker juked to his right and got five yards and
25:45
Speaker 4: what had a touchdown if the safety hadn't come down
25:47
Speaker 4: hard and tripped him with a shoe string tackle.
25:49
Speaker 5: That's what Walker gives you, and that's what they.
25:51
Speaker 4: Need more of in the red zone and inside the
25:54
Speaker 4: tent because they have gone to Sharbona in those situations.
25:57
Speaker 4: Sharvon ay Lea's a team and touchdowns. Talking about how
26:00
Speaker 4: he is the fewest yards per carrying in the league.
26:02
Speaker 4: He has six touchdown runs. The leads the Seahawks because
26:06
Speaker 4: he gets the ball Shortyarded Gonal'll say this is a
26:09
Speaker 4: good change. They've got seven games left with Kenneth Walker,
26:12
Speaker 4: then his contract ends and they have to decide whether
26:15
Speaker 4: they want to re up him or not and what
26:16
Speaker 4: their running back situation is going forward. They owe it
26:19
Speaker 4: to Walker to give him a full run here and Okay,
26:23
Speaker 4: if he got hurt, so be it, but they have
26:26
Speaker 4: got They owe it to him for his career and
26:28
Speaker 4: for this team's offense to be at its best to
26:30
Speaker 4: give him full go these last seven regular season games.
26:33
Speaker 5: Let's see if they start doing it in Tennessee.
26:34
Speaker 3: Ay Man greg and a final thought on that, the
26:38
Speaker 3: two plays that they run the most. The running play,
26:41
Speaker 3: you got the outside zone, the stretch. You're taking that
26:44
Speaker 3: ball and you're reading the block of the tight end.
26:47
Speaker 3: You're trying to get out there, and if the tight
26:49
Speaker 3: end can hook him, you got to have the speed
26:51
Speaker 3: to get outside. Did we see That's exactly what we
26:54
Speaker 3: saw from Canine on that twenty five yard or on
26:57
Speaker 3: the stretch play the burst to avoid the And then
27:00
Speaker 3: the other play is the duo. And what duo is
27:03
Speaker 3: is you you're down blocking at the point of attack.
27:05
Speaker 3: It's a strong side play in the a gap, the
27:08
Speaker 3: strong side guard. You're not pulling a backside guard like
27:14
Speaker 3: most down blocking has so so do as you're getting
27:17
Speaker 3: double teams right in the middle, the running back has
27:20
Speaker 3: to read the middle linebacker. Now, eventually you would have
27:23
Speaker 3: a guy get off to the middle linebacker, but the
27:25
Speaker 3: running back reads the middle linebacker. If he steps up,
27:28
Speaker 3: then you bounce it to the outside because you've got
27:31
Speaker 3: all And that's what you had on the Canine touchdown
27:34
Speaker 3: that called back. That was a duo play. He read
27:36
Speaker 3: it and and that burst that you have to have
27:39
Speaker 3: to use that play in the event that you need
27:42
Speaker 3: to bounce it. Canine is the only guy that can
27:44
Speaker 3: do that. And so here you got their top two
27:46
Speaker 3: scheming plays that need speed and burst, and he's the
27:50
Speaker 3: guy who has the speed in the burst. Well, Bucky,
27:53
Speaker 3: right now we're.
27:54
Speaker 4: Missing Eric Salbert by the way, Yeah, excuse me, they're
27:57
Speaker 4: missing Eric Saber at the tight end. That was Nick
27:59
Speaker 4: coller Up who got called back for the hold. That
28:01
Speaker 4: was a hold bear hugging on the edge of.
28:07
Speaker 3: I don't agree.
28:07
Speaker 4: I said, look, it begs the official to call it.
28:13
Speaker 3: If you put outside, I think that there are I
28:18
Speaker 3: think it was a very mild hold. I think Canine
28:21
Speaker 3: was already out there. And if you like, like I
28:25
Speaker 3: understand when when you run to the outside, you're more
28:29
Speaker 3: likely to have those type of holds. But if you
28:33
Speaker 3: compare that I could get I could produce a thousand
28:36
Speaker 3: plays in the NFL on bounce, just that play bounce
28:41
Speaker 3: duo where there's a far more of a hold and
28:46
Speaker 3: it's not called. I thought that was the as ticky
28:48
Speaker 3: tacky as you're liable to see. That was Yeah, still
28:54
Speaker 3: keeps me up at night.
28:56
Speaker 1: All Bucky heard this segment as if the Seahawks lose
28:59
Speaker 1: to the Titans, we're gonna going to talk a lot
29:00
Speaker 1: more baseball.
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Speaker 6: So don't really want to probably test that though, But okay.
29:08
Speaker 2: All right, one more segment.
29:09
Speaker 1: We'll get Bucky's prediction, we'll get Greg's keys, we'll get
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Speaker 1: Hugh's final thoughts. Twelfth Man Round Table Sports Radio ninety
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Speaker 1: three point three KJRFM. All right, final segment of this
29:25
Speaker 1: week's edition of The twelfth Man Roundtable starring Hugh Millen
29:29
Speaker 1: and Greg Bell right here on chucking back in the mornings,
29:32
Speaker 1: and our final segment we kind of go round the
29:35
Speaker 1: horn here a little bit. We will start with Greg again. Yeah,
29:39
Speaker 1: maybe I'm playing favorites today. Starting with Greg alters segments.
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Speaker 1: But let's get Greg's keys to the game on Sunday
29:46
Speaker 1: against the one and nine Tennessee Titans laid on us,
29:49
Speaker 1: mister Bell.
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Speaker 4: Well offensively, I've already said the key to them is
29:52
Speaker 4: just containing Jeffrey Simmons and make sure he doesn't wreck
29:55
Speaker 4: the game. Let's see how much they run Kenneth Walker
29:58
Speaker 4: and let's see if he gets lead back status or
30:01
Speaker 4: it still says to be a job share. Walker has
30:04
Speaker 4: forty five percent of the offensive snaps this season, and
30:07
Speaker 4: in the game Sarbonate has played, he missed one. He's
30:10
Speaker 4: got forty nine percent of the snaps. Let's see if
30:12
Speaker 4: that changes on Sunday. Defensively, they should overwhelm cam Ward
30:16
Speaker 4: in this offense. This offense for Tennessee is ranked last
30:19
Speaker 4: and pretty much every major category.
30:21
Speaker 5: They don't run, they don't throw.
30:24
Speaker 4: There's their receiver, leading receiver as a tight end who
30:28
Speaker 4: is is banged up in injured. Simmons by the way,
30:30
Speaker 4: he didn't practice this or with the hamstring injury, so
30:32
Speaker 4: that'll be worth watching during the week leading up to
30:35
Speaker 4: how available he'll be. I can't see Tennessee's offense scoring,
30:40
Speaker 4: literally can't see him scoring. I think the Seahawks won
30:43
Speaker 4: twenty to nothing. And wow, Yeah, this is where Mike
30:49
Speaker 4: McDonald's defense is. When there are teams that shouldn't move it,
30:52
Speaker 4: they don't, and there are teams that are some of
30:54
Speaker 4: the best in the league that should move it that
30:56
Speaker 4: often don't or have trouble doing it like the Rams
30:58
Speaker 4: did last week. The Seahawks probably win this game. Maybe
31:03
Speaker 4: Monday morning, I might regret to saying this, but I
31:05
Speaker 4: think the Seahawks win this game one hundred and one
31:07
Speaker 4: times out of one hundred.
31:08
Speaker 3: Yeah.
31:08
Speaker 5: I don't know.
31:09
Speaker 1: I mean I've been doing this a little while, since
31:12
Speaker 1: I was nineteen years old. That's some years. I don't
31:14
Speaker 1: know if I've ever heard of football prediction where it
31:17
Speaker 1: was zero. I even even when you think it's a blowout,
31:21
Speaker 1: you give the team three points, six point seven points.
31:24
Speaker 3: Yeah.
31:25
Speaker 2: I don't know if I've ever heard anyone like.
31:27
Speaker 1: Legitimately, not like Husky's win thousand to nothing, but legitimately
31:32
Speaker 1: say they're not going to score a point.
31:34
Speaker 6: I love it. I love it, all right, what do
31:36
Speaker 6: you got, bucket? Well, I mean it's tough to hold
31:38
Speaker 6: somebody to zero. Now. They have been held to zero
31:41
Speaker 6: by the Texans the first time they played them, so
31:43
Speaker 6: they have been shut out this year. I think they'll
31:45
Speaker 6: put a few points up on the board, but I
31:47
Speaker 6: don't think it's going to be clear. I think one
31:50
Speaker 6: somehow just get one point. Yeah, I think that. I
31:55
Speaker 6: think it's a blowout. I think coming off that loss,
31:58
Speaker 6: they're going to be out for blood. I think they're
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Speaker 6: going against a great team to do it against. I'm
32:02
Speaker 6: gonna go ahead and say, Seahawks twenty seven, Titans ten.
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Speaker 1: Twenty seven to ten, give up ten. It's a high standard.
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Speaker 1: Give up all right, Hugh? How are we going to close.
32:19
Speaker 3: This sucker today?
32:20
Speaker 2: I mean, see where we're going here.
32:22
Speaker 3: Well, a few weeks back, I'm in that thirty third
32:25
Speaker 3: team the Think Tank and Mike Tannenbaum asked me to
32:29
Speaker 3: present on cam Ward. So I studied every single play
32:33
Speaker 3: of them, and I was just appalled at how bad
32:36
Speaker 3: they are that their receivers. I mean, Calvin Ridley is
32:40
Speaker 3: maybe a Sea level.
32:42
Speaker 1: Guy and he's out, He's out.
32:44
Speaker 3: Yeah, their targets are awful. Uh, the the left tackle
32:49
Speaker 3: is bad, the right tackle is worse. There's just nothing.
32:52
Speaker 3: The list of stats that where the Titans, as Greg said,
32:57
Speaker 3: are thirty second or thirty first. It's too long, both
33:00
Speaker 3: on both offense and defense. How about starting field position
33:03
Speaker 3: thirty second dead last? That speaks to their special teams.
33:07
Speaker 3: Is a really bad football team, and we don't know
33:10
Speaker 3: how good cam wore it is because it's a really
33:13
Speaker 3: bad football team, no excuse. So enough said on that.
33:16
Speaker 3: I wouldn't be at all surprised if it's a shutout,
33:19
Speaker 3: and then you know, I just want to kind of
33:20
Speaker 3: close it on a topic that I had had said,
33:24
Speaker 3: you know, for me in looking at the Seahawks, just
33:27
Speaker 3: remembering they're the sixth youngest offense. The Eagles have Jalen
33:31
Speaker 3: Hurts in his fourth a fifth year. Rather, Kellen Moore
33:34
Speaker 3: is gone, but their offensive coordinator, Kevin Patulo was their
33:38
Speaker 3: passing game coordinator since twenty twenty one, so there's continuity.
33:42
Speaker 3: Baker Mayfield, he lost his offensive coordinator, but Josh Grizzard
33:46
Speaker 3: their passing game coordinator, he stepped up. Matthew Stafford obviously
33:49
Speaker 3: has five years with McVeigh, you know, Green Bay six
33:54
Speaker 3: years quarterback and coach San Francisco. Continuity there even to
33:58
Speaker 3: New England. Chicago have new Cordon. At least their quarterback
34:01
Speaker 3: has been in that system for more than a year.
34:04
Speaker 3: The Seahawks, in that regard, are the newest offense. And
34:08
Speaker 3: and it really underscored on that fade route where Donald
34:13
Speaker 3: missed received Shaheed on the go ball just under threw them,
34:17
Speaker 3: missed it by three inches. You know, the number two
34:20
Speaker 3: receiver for the Rams, Davante Adams, he signed on March ninth,
34:25
Speaker 3: received Shaheed's side on November fourth. Think of all the
34:29
Speaker 3: reps that they had with Adams in OTAs and and
34:34
Speaker 3: summer workouts and whatever training camp on what have you.
34:37
Speaker 3: So Darnald misses a guy that he's only worked with
34:39
Speaker 3: for two weeks and he misses it by an inch.
34:42
Speaker 3: If he hits that, that's a four point differential. Seattle
34:45
Speaker 3: probably wins just on that play let alone, the four turnovers.
34:47
Speaker 3: So I think it should be stated that this is
34:51
Speaker 3: not a mature offense. It's maturing there. They're incline that
34:55
Speaker 3: their their improvement curve should be far higher than anybody else.
35:00
Speaker 3: Is that they're contending with sitting here at seven to three.
35:03
Speaker 4: All right, man, let me ask you real quick you
35:05
Speaker 4: would you have thrown more air into that ball?
35:07
Speaker 5: Was that a line drive?
35:08
Speaker 3: I don't care if you put more air on it
35:11
Speaker 3: and and get it over or if you feel more
35:13
Speaker 3: accurate to throw it on a lowered line. It was
35:15
Speaker 3: press coverage. If it was off coverage, I'd say, yeah,
35:17
Speaker 3: put more air press coverage. It's okay to line drive
35:21
Speaker 3: that because you have to. You have your brain has
35:23
Speaker 3: to process less of a lead. You just got to
35:26
Speaker 3: be more accurate. Look, I understand if you if you
35:29
Speaker 3: put more air over it, then under it rather then
35:34
Speaker 3: then it goes over the defender's hand. But then it's
35:37
Speaker 3: you still have to lead him further back to the
35:39
Speaker 3: back of the end zone, and maybe you don't process
35:41
Speaker 3: it well. I have no problem with trajectory. It's real simple.
35:45
Speaker 3: You know, you under threw it, just throw it farther.
35:47
Speaker 1: Just yeah, yeah, all right, man, awesome stuff today, Thank
35:50
Speaker 1: you very much.
35:50
Speaker 2: We'll talk to you about tomorrow rock and roll. All right,
35:53
Speaker 2: thank you you, Milling r QB one. He'll be back
35:55
Speaker 2: with us x's and o is at nine o'clock tomorrow.
35:57
Speaker 2: Greg Bell will be back.
35:58
Speaker 1: At seven o five with tomorrow our Seahawks insider, uh
36:03
Speaker 1: to discuss further this matchup with the Titans. That none
36:06
Speaker 1: of you are given the Titans a chance. I'm not either.
36:10
Speaker 1: I just think that there's a chance it could be
36:12
Speaker 1: closer than a blowout. But we shall see. Coming up
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Speaker 1: next though, it's been a long time since we've had
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